simple to collective defense systems, even more, strengthening the alliance. this extension provides an additional level of security and guarantees for all member countries. so, i believe that this cooperation brought us to a new, improved level of cooperation within nato. we really hope that nato expansion will not end there, and here is the question of what we should expect from the nato summit. in washington and what should we strive for, what can we still achieve? first of all, i want to recall the previous summit in vilnius. i am proud of what we did during this event significant efforts to reach a possible agreement on ukraine's membership in nato. although the resolution is free.

our ultimate goal is for ukraine to become a full member of nato as well as the european union.

i have been asked many times about the potential outcomes of the nato washington summit. and i always answer that i dream of ukraine receiving an invitation to nato. our close cooperation and common goals underline our closeness. we are not divided by the aggressor, on the contrary, we are united in supporting ukraine in its fight against russian aggression. it was rightly said that ukraine closed us like a shield, and that we are now behind it. guilt, that is why we express our

unwavering support and solidarity to her. i am deeply grateful to the ukrainian people for their sacrifice, and we seek to explore all possibilities to support ukraine in its courageous struggle against the russian invasion, as well as to contribute to its development and security in the future. integration into nato, especially the european union, is inseparable from the reforms we talk about a lot. at one time many of estonian politicians, activists tried to help in the reformation of georgia, and i can say that many of them remained disappointed afterwards, what do we need to do so that such disappointment does not arise later with the ukrainian reforms? i believe that the most important aspect of joining the euro-atlantic family and nato is the defense of democratic values. this is of primary

importance, which is why moldova and ukraine are considered candidate countries for joining the european union. as for georgia, although it is also a candidate country, it exists a certain ninety-degree. reforms and the will to change are crucially important, where there is a real desire for reforms, anything is possible. and today i am a witness of such

infiltration in moldova, in ukraine, and also in georgia. for a long time, georgia was one of our main partner countries in the integration into the democratic world. we have supported her through various programs such as the aid and development program.

currently, ukraine is also one of our priority countries, we are also considering moldova. involvement of these countries. to of the euro-atlantic alliance will not only strengthen security, but also ensure prosperity in the future. i want to talk about the situation in society, in particular in estonian society, how to prevent destabilization of the situation, which will be taken care of by russia. you and i, by the way, are talking on the historic days when the center party lost power. in tallinn, and where she has been a voice, including the russian-speaking population, for many years. how will relations between the estonian communities in estonia and the russian-speaking community develop? do not be afraid of radicalization certain strata of the population, or not, do

you not worry about the results that pro-russian politicians showed in the last elections in the people's republic? how will estonia cope with all this? challenges, we work diligently to achieve this goal, realizing the benefits for all parties involved. first of all, i want to emphasize the positive results of the latest monitoring of integration, which indicate that the russian minority has integrated much better into estonian society. these data are quite encouraging. one of the important factors contributing to this improvement is me i consider it the influence of the war in ukraine. more than two years ago, after the outbreak of full-scale war in february, we took steps to shut down

russian propaganda channels in estonia, meaning that it is no longer possible to watch programs hosted by solovyov or skabeeva on estonian cable networks. i think it was this decision that played its... role in the positive indicators we are seeing today. in addition, the younger generation increasingly looks towards europe, distancing itself from russia. i would like to add that this year we initiated the biggest school reform in estonia since 1991 . over the next six years. we will switch to a unified estonian school system, which involves the complete closure of russian-language schools. instead, there will be one unified estonian school for all estonian children. this

reform offers numerous advantages, including ensuring equal educational opportunities for every student. thus, removing barriers to their success in society, that is why i consider this change in the school system to be particularly important not only for the russian-speaking minority, and for the whole society. during which the centrist party experienced internal challenges and tried to find its

way. the war and russian aggression against ukraine played a significant role in this, due to which many party members felt discomfort and were forced... as a result, the party's position weakened significantly, which led to recent changes in municipal politics. including today's events in the capital of our country. and while this is a regional problem, it reflects the wider implications of

a shift in mindset. especially among of the young russian-speaking minority. and finally, maybe you want to say something for our viewers. i want to express to your audience our... and our unwavering support for your courageous fight against russian aggression. we are closely following the events in ukraine and undertake to help you in all possible ways until the victorious end of this war. i am sure of your victory.

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is petro poroshenko, leader of the european solidarity party, people's deputy of ukraine, the fifth president of ukraine. congratulations congratulations. in our studio. so, let's start with the main question, it seems to me, which worries all ukrainians right now: the possibility of a new russian offensive, which many are talking about, how to stop this offensive, what should be the main tool? it seems to me that the offensive is going on now, and this is the same big offensive, and the offensive, yes, and in today’s language, we can talk about certain stages of the offensive, and we really need to do... several things that will make the defense of the state more effective. position number one is fortifications . and i consider it a crime that we did not build fortifications all this time. in fact, realistically, the state paid attention to fortifications by

allocating money only in february of the current year. i can emphasize that about... do not go on pr trips, when everyone is shown the same platoon base point, we have an official figure that 5% of the 200 km of fortifications have been handed over, which it is necessary to build, i have the right to say so, because i have the experience of building fortifications in the 14th year, and it cannot be some kind of closed club, because it was painted then. each region took over a site in a clearly defined number of consolidated strongholds, each large enterprise, each construction company, each factory of reinforced concrete structures, each forest farm had its own task, and here it cannot be justified by the fact that it is a state secret, because the russians from the satellite they see the number of stars on the chase

our serviceman, and we... we need to prepare it qualitatively for the second time, you can, i want to clarify, but if this is so, why did you not build fortifications of this level for all these 10 years, if you say that we started building them after 14 year, they were still building, not after, and we started building them in the 14th year, and the positions where the fortifications were built were not only the east, but what we still held avdeivka, maryinka, vodyane. opitna, chisovier, these are all fortifications that allowed to effectively hold front, and today, when the front line has changed, it has become much longer, and it is certain that now there is also a question of building fortifications on the border with the russian federation, where the border is controlled now, it is the sumy region, it

is part of the kharkiv region , this is the chernihiv region, and nothing can happen. more important than this, and the second is the experience we had, which we did not build for 10 years, because in general, in the years from the 19th to the 22nd, we did not build much for the army, and this is another topic conversations, but in the 22nd year i want to emphasize that the so-called surovikin line with dragon's teeth, with minefields... with concrete structures was built in two months, and its effectiveness our armed forces, the world had the opportunity to see during the counteroffensive 23rd year, and then, if you just look at my speeches on the first day of august 23rd year, there was

a demand to introduce changes to the budget regarding a sharp increase in the financing of fortifications. starting from the month of october, three rates were held on this occasion, the data were hard assignment, but construction did not start and money was not allocated. now we have the other extreme where, unfortunately, we have a non-transparent allocation of funding, and a very strong delay in putting them into operation, we don't have that time, the deadline that was put in place for this is two months, for we had to submit this position for two months, and i, of course, that i did everything in my power to settle it in the parliament, at the level of amendments to the law, where fully... i want to emphasize that our proposal, our legislative requirement of the creation of a temporary investigative commission

on fortifications has not been put to a vote for the fourth month, and this is precisely the unity around which we should unite, unity around the armed forces and unity around fortifications, because the people have the right to know, to know the pace of construction. to know where we can support and accelerate, to know the transparency of funding so that, as in a grand theft, the same persons do not line their pockets, i mean kyril tymoshenko and those who are now transferred and have a huge the threat that they will transfer there again to enrich themselves. excuse me, today we are talking about, and i think we should talk about it, about the existence of the state. by the way, about the existence of the state and about western aid, there are generally chances that after the easter vacation the american congress will return to you aid to ukraine and

the decisions we are waiting for will really be made. i am an optimist, and i firmly believe that we will receive help from the americans, as long as it does not fall from the sky. this should be worked on carefully. i want to emphasize that on december 1 i had an appointment. speaker johnson in washington, i had a meeting with 43 republican congressmen during a meeting of the international democratic union, where i am a board member. there is only one topic of conversation: the vote on the project to help ukraine, and the mechanism of parliamentary diplomacy is extremely important, because the problems in ukraine are not... with the executive power of the united states, not with biden, not with the department of state, not with the pentagon, problems in the congress, and

it was not possible by criminal inaction to allow that ukraine has become a hostage of the internal political struggle of the united states, this is the most terrible mistake, and now i can emphasize that the topic is internal'. the struggle remains, one way or another the decision will be made, we have already lost a huge amount and in six months of delay, and these are human lives, these are territories, these are the fighting capacity of the army and a huge, huge number of consequences, so my forecast, immediately after the easter holidays will be delivered... one or another format of the bill, there is a risk that the issue of 60 billion will be reduced only to the military part, because there is a desire to separate the military and

financing of the state budget deficit, the humanitarian, civilian part, there is a position that it will be grant aid and that will be credit aid, but for ukraine today it does not matter, loans, grants. and everything else, we need weapons , we need shells, we need er, air defense, air defense, we need missiles, including long-range ones, and we need to eventually launch ee jet fighters, that is, f16s, which will be an effective way to fight against the russian cabals, from the russians missiles that are launched from ... russian aircraft and f-16s have all the necessary means to either destroy them or prevent them from appearing in airspace close to

this, and in the first place, this concerns the united states of america , but the issue of western weapons is also an issue of the european union and nato. i would like to emphasize once again, i know peter pavel very well , since his time... the head of the nato military committee, then a general, and now his initiative, which will allow us to receive almost 1 million ammunition already in april, and in including soviet calibers, 152, 122 , this is a matter of life and death for us, and the fact that today money is ready to give a lot, starting from norway, finland, ending with the baltic countries, and... the most important thing is to organize logistics, which was brilliantly done and i rely heavily on these things and the second position we have to admit. read and

find so that we increase the effectiveness of the use of the armed forces. we are not russia, and we cannot afford to use assault groups, because if you compare the so-called manpawer, then the mobilization resource the russian federation consists of 25 million people, if they can be called people. ukraine's mobilization resource in its current state. is equal to a million, but imagine that now we are comparing 25 times more, and therefore we need to protect every ukrainian soldier, and for this i proposed a very important program, it is called safe soldier, it is a nato program, where every soldier must be provided with everything necessary, which will maximize

the effectiveness of his... stay in the armed forces, starting with armored vehicles, helmet, protection, reb, heat, weapons, ammunition and all that, and finishing with a very high quality training that creates motivation, and in these conditions, of course, that it will give an opportunity to review the numbers of the mobilization resource, about which so many are now talking, to me it seems that the use of the state is still... it is still an institutional capacity, and here it is necessary to understand what is happening in the verkhovna rada in general, it will generally work as far as in the foreseeable future, as far as one can fear a parliamentary crisis with the absence of a quorum, with the lack of votes necessary for the adoption of fundamental laws? sorry, i think you are asking a question that you know the answer to because everyone knows the answer. position one: the verkhovna rada in its current form is in a deep

crisis, and it is not... able to work, why? because it is deprived of its constitutional functions, deprived by whom? office of the president. people's deputies have ceased to be parliamentarians, they have ceased to depend on their voters, and the majority already refuses to stand for a long time in the position of their will. and for this must be done several effective steps and restore the efficiency of the verkhovna rada. first of all, it is necessary to remove any unconstitutional measures initiated by the office of the president, which are dedicated to driving deputies to the majhaysk. european solidarity does not work for them, and the monomajority is already, remember, a revolutionary situation, they do not want, they cannot, in the old way,

in the new way. have to meet with the president on a regular, permanent basis in order to check clocks and determine priorities, people's deputies have to hear of the president, the president should hear people's deputies and mediators in the form of the head of the office or his deputies, law enforcement officers or... er, i decided, there will only be harm here. the second position is a repetition of israel's experience , it is now certainly transformed, but the government of national unity is currently the only possibility that allows not only to attract parliamentary forces, but on the contrary to prepare for the summer campaign, a powerful discrediting of ukraine, for which

russia is preparing. we have to stand side by side, we have to unite and we have to unite around armed forces and i say once again: i supported general zaluzhnyi, i supported the entire team from zhenya maisyuk to mykhailo zabrodskyi, and in the same way now i will support general sirskyi, general barkilyevich, and the commanders, i have known them since the 14th year, all of them, these are all the people who, er... have received awards and titles from me, and i know that they are capable of fulfilling the task, but we must stop trying to involve them in politics, we must say what the supreme commander should be responsible for, what he should to answer the commander in chief of the armed forces, what the parliament should be responsible for, and what the government should be responsible for, and this is a function, a mission, a role.