at the front, because there are losses, there are sanitary losses, and combat losses, everything is there, without mobilization, hidden or open, they will not have reserves, the same problem as ours, the problem of personnel, they have it there is, not to such a degree, but it is there, and everyone expected putin's re-election, and therefore some decision will be made, that is, after the election, he will be inaugurated, he will change the leadership, he will not change, and he will formally change the leadership of the government, the leadership of the military , and then, i think, the mechanism will be launched it is this, this mobilization. experts believe that the strategic goals of the kremlin at this stage are clear, to completely capture the donetsk, luhansk, zaporizhzhya and kherson regions, regions that are partially occupied and which, according to the russian constitution, the russian federation considers its own.

what could not be done in the winter, they can try to repeat in the summer, conditionally, if mobilization is launched in the russian federation in the near future, recruits for the offensive can be ready by mid-summer. what is happening now, using nato terminology, forming an operation, the enemy is trying to create the prerequisites for mastering the slavyansk-kramator agglomeration. for this, the enemy needs to enter the area. pokrovska in the south and sivirs kliman in the north, all the activity that we see in this area today is aimed at creating conditions, but the possession of the kramatorsk-slavic agglomeration will require enormous resources from the enemy, first of all human, and secondly, enormous material resources, and judging by the fact that... the enemy tried

to take possession of avdeivka during the last five months, well , if it is so strictly and purely, then about 2.5, accordingly, a much larger fortified area, which they have in mind, will bind them for a very long time, we can talk about six months or more. in addition to kramatorsk, the closest targets of the russian federation are in the south of donetsk region, in particular vugleda. they are trying to get into the rear of the ukrainian troops there, attacking in the kurakhovo region, and also regularly storming near the works of the zaporizhia region. now the russian army is creating a new army group of more than 100,000 soldiers. this is what they say in the command of the armed forces, and they also do not rule out an offensive in the summer. according to mykhailo zhirokhov, it would be interesting for russia to go, for example, to kharkiv or the dnipro. you can guess where the main blow will be, but now ukraine should

build defensive lines. it cannot be said that the fortification will not allow the russians to start an operation, because we saw in avdiivka how fortifications, any, are destroyed by air strikes, and if the issue of pppo is not resolved by the summer, with f- 16, with, well, that is, with dominance in the air, then... fortification structures, they will not be an important element, they will be an element of defense, but they will not be important, the second issue that is currently being resolved is the strengthening of mobilization, because these same fortification structures, if no one will sit in them, they will simply be, well, simply one of the elements, let's put it this way, so here the russians will choose the direction, i think, as a matter of fact. already, when they will

have intelligence in hand, when they will be expected to know what defenses are being made against them, then they will calculate. western media also wrote about the fact that the 24th year will be a year of strategic defense for ukraine a few months ago. in the winter, the armed forces of ukraine withdrew from avdiivka, but in general the front line did not change much, despite the lack of ammunition, people, and problems with aid from the united states. the ukrainian army continues to deter russian attacks, although the situation at the end of the year will largely depend on the political decisions that will be made or not made in the near future. these were the donbas rallies. i'm yaroslav krechko, see you soon.

glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next two we are talking for hours. about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory, today in the program. minus six enemy planes, the mass drone attack in the rostov region achieved its goal. why is the west still against strikes on the territory of the russian federation? in search of patriots, allies will try to collect additional air defense systems for ukraine around the world. what other help can you expect from? nato. alternative formulas for peace. russia is promoting the chinese format of transition, and nato is discussing the accession of ukraine in return for the relinquishment of the occupied territories. are compromises possible? over the next hour, we will talk about this and other things with our

guests, major of the armed forces of ukraine, special agent ihor lapin, and oleg rybachuk, the former head of yushchenko's presidential office. the second part of our program will include my colleagues from the journalism club, oleksiy mustafin and andriy yanitskyi. however, before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of how last night ukrainian drones attacked three russian military airfields in morozovsk, yeysk and engels. let's see how it was.

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bulgakov a ukrainophobe (0800-211-381, no), 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we... let's sum up the results of this vote, we have our first guest on the phone, this is igor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special appointed people's deputy of the eighth convocation, mr. major, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, glory to ukraine , glory to heroes. mr. major, let's start our conversation with today's strike, a large-scale drone strike on russian airfields, the main intelligence agency, together with the armed forces of ukraine , organized an operation on the night of april 5th, in the framework of which three airfields were struck russians, in particular in morozovsk, yesk and engels, report that at least three tu-95 ms strategic bombers were seriously damaged at

the enels-2 airfield, seven occupants have already died there, bomber pilots may be among them, and two were completely burned enemy su-25 in yeysk, and we are still talking about the destruction of another airfield in kursk, the results of this large-scale, large-scale attack are still being clarified, do you think the pace of ukraine's transfer of the war to the territory of russia is sufficient? oh, of course, you know like all ukrainians, i can say, well, of course , we want more, more, more, because, well, frankly speaking, we... ukraine is being dismantled into molecules, a large number of territories and infrastructure objects have been destroyed, recently we know the same and dniproges and all, well, that is, the russians engage in such terrorist attacks on civilian infrastructure, we, in turn, take out,

try to take out what we can get, thank god, i am pleased with the range of these attacks, i am very pleased, i am pleased that our drones... work for sure, so to a certain extent, it is possible to counteract the russian means of rebu, and therefore, it means that we are on the right path of development, right? this is not yet, so to speak, this magical silver bullet for that ghoul, the russian military, but nevertheless, these are the first signs that we can work, of course, chasing planes on airfields is a super topic, especially , if they gather there, well, until the very end they were, so to speak, relaxed, but now of course the russians will try to counter such attacks, and we should too understand, that's why we can improvise in this... history, then we worked at oil refineries, now we went to airfields, well, igor lapin has been sitting here and has been dreaming

for several months about a new russian transshipment base for russian oil products and ports, the port infrastructure of russia, because money goes from there, and if that, if from there , oil goes from there, and there, in russia , money goes, and if there is money, then they can rebuild, they can purchase and again attack ukraine, the most important thing: that the transfer of the war to the territory countries the aggressor is the primary task, which we must achieve as much as possible today, and the second point, we need to impress, well, let's say, carriers, well, if we are talking about planes now, that's great, but in general, we need to think, how can we hit their launchers, from where they fire such missiles like the s-300, near the border areas, kharkiv oblast or zaporizhzhia there. or the same dnipro and so on, that is, we must try to further achieve results and develop our own as well

missile program, because the drone flies for a very long time and of course no launcher will stand there for a day and wait for a drone to fly to it, so we need to work on the development of the missile program and on the release of additional missiles, well, we have a good analogue of hymars , the same alder rocket. well, of course, the range is not so great there, but scientists said that it is possible to increase it, i remember these conversations, then we have the capabilities of the neptune missile, which can be reconfigured so that it works not only against ships, but also for land targets, so we must move in this direction, and we must not forget about our own peregrine missile program, which can hit very far, and this must also be completed, because it was ready, well, it was 75% ready a long time ago, well time is going on, the war continues, and it should not be abandoned either, so i congratulate today's successes, sincere thanks, i sincerely say, when it is necessary

to criticize, we criticize, but when it is necessary to thank, the main directorate of intelligence, the security service of ukraine, they did a very good job here. president of estonia alarkaris considers ukraine's attacks on military targets on the territory of the russian federation to be legal, if they are connected with strikes on ukrainian civilian and energy facilities, he said. said during a meeting with the prime minister of ukraine denys shmygal, the estonian leader's press service reports that alar karis says: russia does not set limits for itself during attacks on ukraine, so we should not limit ourselves in providing assistance to ukraine either. consider ukraine's strikes on the military and other important targets to be completely legitimate for war purposes in the russian body, which are designed to slow down the work of the russian military machine. sir that it is necessary that ukraine's right to legal attacks, as alar karis said about russia, be recognized not only by one

state, or only by the baltic states , or by poland, but also by the whole world. well, i know , experts in the field of diplomacy must say here, but i will say, as a military man, a military man can say yes, we fight honestly, we fight against the russian military, we do not fight with civilians. we are not citizens they are interested in hospitals, kindergartens, and schools there, as a goal, of course, that is, but we should definitely be interested in the infrastructural facilities of the russian federation, because they are all tied to the russian military-industrial complex, no matter what, so that we are here not you failed, in order for the western world to understand our correctness, they should stop questioning the concept of a legal or illegal goal, which may be related, i will explain the logic of their own things. sentence: our war is just, fair, destruction

of infrastructure that is connected with n aggression is fair, well, since the war is fair, then everything is fair, because you know, that’s how it turns out, yes, if there are legitimate goals, then there can be some illegal goals, and let’s dance, as they say dancing with tambourine, around the discussion already , and which of them can be considered, and which cannot be considered, are the concepts of war justice, ukraine. defends itself as best as it can, russia is not fighting putin against us, but the russian people are fighting against us, zumbed, not zumbed, this is generally a lyric, the question is who is fighting, putin? putin's regime or russian people? the russian people, governed by the putin regime headed by putin, are fighting against us. all. so everything that is on the territory of russia that can be used, not what is used there, but can be used for their military-industrial potential, or their service to the military and so on, starting with wormwood, oil, gas,

it doesn’t matter , anything that allows them to bring money into the budget for production. weapons of ukraine, anything that allows them to give electricity to the factory, also for the manufacture of weapons of ukraine, it is all already there legitimate goals, so i believe that here the discussion should be on the same plane: ukraine has the right to defend itself by all methods, or not? so, if we transfer this discussion to such a plane in international politics, then no clerk from the organization of the united nations will tell us about the concern about the attack on russian oil refineries. or something else, well, for example, you understand, otherwise, nothing will happen otherwise, well, you all saw that shaheds were made there, the russians themselves said that these students were involved in production of shakheds, russian propaganda boasted that they have that factory for the production of shakheds, please tell me the staff, dormitories, factory, warehouses with

components, is this a legitimate goal for ukraine or not, that’s all, if it’s a legitimate goal , then we should stop these discussions in the international arena, and talk only not about the legality, but only about the justice of waging war on the territory of the aggressor. full stop: war is precisely that we destroy the manpower of the enemy, whether it is a technician who maintains an aircraft or it is a designer who assembles a chessboard, it does not matter, well, i think so, by the way, as reported by reuters with reference to the conditions. according to the official representative of nato, ukrainian strikes on oil refineries in russia could disable about 15% of russian oil refining capacity. at the same time, pentagon spokesman pat ryder said that the united states of america did not supply ukraine with the means with which the defense forces hit oil refineries and other objects on

the territory of russia. let's hear what he said. the aid we provide to ukraine is intended in order for it to protect its sovereign territory and regain its territory. we do not provide any assistance for use outside of this. i would advise you to visit ukraine to learn about these operations. of course, our focus is on them being able to protect themselves. mr. major, why is the united states of america so afraid that russia's oil refining industry will stop, well, look, i haven't heard that they are afraid there, even specialists have already understood that this does not affect russia's oil refining industry in any way the global trend of energy prices, that is, that this is a drop in the ocean on the scale of, as they say, the world ocean of fuel, why are they afraid, why are they not afraid, well here it goes on, on and on we

hear the voices of the so-called peace lovers who sometimes say that there is no need to annoy putin. it is not necessary to escalate the conflict, it is necessary to put ukraine at the negotiating table, well, and further on in the text, well, there are also such doves of peace among the advisers of president biden, who also said that not everything is so clear-cut with russia and ukraine, but i want to say , what the question is not whether the military is afraid or not and whether putin will do something or putin won't do something, or putin's rhetoric is that what he says is what he does, he said he would hand over nuclear weapons... for brest, for belarus, for minsk, said, handed over, handed over, lukashenko confirmed, confirmed, and what, where else to escalate or escalate, if it decided to blow up the kakhovskaya gesture, it blew it up, if it brought tnt to the zaporizhia nuclear power plant , then sooner or later it will bang him if it says that i passed the tactical one nuclear weapons for lukashenka, sooner or later he

will hand them over to anyone, because, in principle , the system of collective security has stopped working, and putin goes around and, i'm sorry, scares the whole world with a nuclear club. i emphasize once again, the world must understand that the sooner ukraine deals with putin, the less likely putin will do anything. in order for ukraine to deal with putin, i mean with the russian army, everything on the territory of ukraine must be completely destroyed. then putin will not have so much potential that he could restore. and if russian the army on the territory of ukraine will... keep its borders and also capture new ones, at this time when the world will consider whether to give ukraine the good or not, that's why they don't give ukraine, for example, missile systems there for destruction attacks. the crimean bridge, why, i can’t understand why, that crap is going to continue on the crimean bridge, which is then launched from the crimea on the territory of odesa,

for example, yes, well, well, it’s not normal, and there are a lot of such things, here taurus missiles, then scholz said that they do not have enough taurus missiles, the manufacturers say, but we give them to you overnight we slander, you give an order, by the way, the taurus manufacturers stopped the production of rockets because there is no order, that's all, so when they say that something is missing, it's not true. and when american so-called friends like lynsey graham come and say that he is silent about weapons, but you have to mobilize children at the prom at school, because, as he said, from the age of 18, well , if you consider that our children study in school, as they say, in fact some boys are under 18 years old, if we take, well, depending on when he went to school there, then what hand out summonses already at the school graduation, and at the same time is very modestly silent about the fact that the united states, of course, is with us until the end. this is of course up to ours as much as necessary and so on, but american aid has not been coming since november,

and all these statements are of course connected with their internal political discussions, perhaps sometimes fearing their own population that putin will attack, they are like that in a way encourage not to criticize their decisions regarding aid to ukraine, well, for example, it is there in germany is it happening in poland, maybe here... the question is, you know, let's put it this way, diplomats should speak more here, not the military, so i'm not an expert in the field of diplomacy, i can only express my point of view as a citizen, well, at the level of my own knowledge, but you are definitely a specialist in the question of whether we need foreign troops on the territory of ukraine or not, because nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, after the meeting of the nato ukraine council, once again stated that the alliance has no plans to send troops to ukraine, and kyiv is aware of this don't ask, listen. what did stoltenberg say? nato is not a party to the conflict and nato will not be

a party to the conflict, but nato is providing support to ukraine to help it defend itself. there are no nato combat units in ukraine and we have no plans to do so. we have not received any requests for this either, but the ukrainians are asking for equipment, ammunition, weapons. and we provide them to ukraine, this does not make nato members a party to the conflict, but we support ukraine's legitimate right to self-defense. mr. major, it is still possible to ask for the help of troops in addition to weapons nato. to this day, i cannot understand why president zelenskyy does not ask for the help of nato troops, why the ukrainian parliament does not vote for such an appeal? i... i can't understand, well, that is, you understand, if we are talking now about appealing to nato, it is possible one story, okay, let's not appeal to nato, so that nato troops, but there is

a position of each country separately, namely, for example , the position of france, denmark, the baltic countries, finland, canada, they said that they are considering such an issue, but again, sooner or later they will consider, but i think that they will consider it more actively if an official appeal comes from ukraine. i can't understand why not, i'm sorry, i'm just blown away by this lack of action in the context, well, president zelensky doesn't need, he doesn't need help, well, look, let's talk frankly, for example, patriot systems, together with specialists, with the units that serve them, they could occupy the territory of the lviv region and hold the borders, and there are also some french specialists there. together with sampti, for example, we would go to kharkivsk region, well, kharkiv is shooting there, it’s flying in, let’s go, okay, not to kharkiv region, let’s go to zaporizhzhia, a little further beyond zaporizhzhia, we would stop and make an umbrella

over the city, it would be a god-pleasing thing, odesa, please, there is , there is somewhere to go, well, and it could go to some unit, roughly speaking, to france, further, i did not see a problem in nato at the time when the french legion entered africa, they are there... personnel, we are already with you discussed, their commander is general kyrylo yushchenko, but i would not be there against them strengthening our western, our northern border with belarus and thus freeing our units that are sitting there at the border, so that they can rotate the boys near the time of the yar, for example, this would be a god-pleasing matter, i cannot to understand why president zelensky does not make such an appeal, not only that, in his interviews... he says, as he said there, that ukraine is fighting, and do not worry, french, your children will not fight in our country until we fight, okay, we can fight forever

well, you understand, we have mobi. there are problems, we have problems with personnel, with equipment, and again, problems with trained personnel. if we are talking about the planes, conventionally speaking, which should be given to us by the f-16, then for each such plane we need at least 10-20 service people. why couldn't some aircraft maintenance unit come here, it's not a front-line unit, it would be a stylish unit, it would sit in the rear, somewhere at the airfield and so on, it could serve with its specialists, serve. we can send ours to to study abroad for another six months, and in this way we will have fewer specialists in other fields, well, this is wrong, so i believe that president zelensky should make such an official appeal personally to each country that has expressed support in this regard, or at least start a discussion, or to all countries, not at the same time, like to the nato bloc, but simply by, well, by a separate appeal, and

someone will support, and this... will make the struggle easier for us, because, excuse me, we already have a war, it is already going on , already, well, excuse me, the 11th year, well, we we, we already live in a war, we have those children who went to school there in the 14th year, went to some fifth grade there, today they are already fighting in the war, well, yes, this is the same generation, you you understand, yes, and then, well, there will be a few more years of war, there will still be refugees, and the most terrible thing is that our women, who have since... we left there, the children study there in school, if the war drags on longer, they they will finish school there, enter college there, and then mom will say: that's it, so many years have passed, son, come on, take your wife, take your children, my grandchildren, and we we are going to ukraine, to restore it, he says, mother, ours, why, i will go there, i am here conditionally in spain, i am fine, a woman, a child, i work for a company, so why am i going to

ukraine now, i am here have i lived for 15 years? 10 years, you see, that is, this discussion can develop in this context, that we need to quickly break the crap that has gathered here, and then our children will return faster, because we are losing, you understand, we can be so humble, well, i i don't know how to call it in other words, what to restore we will be able to build a state, but to restore the nation, it may happen that there will be no possibility, because the average person will live. the age in ukraine used to be before the war, in my opinion, before the full scale was 67 years, and now it is 57 years, well, we will fight a little more, and our demographic crisis will be very serious, so how will we save the nation if we drag it out war, of course not everything depends on us, but i did not hear that anyone during the second world war refused to open a second front, normandy was the same under the soviet union

neman. well, the pilots worked and so on, i didn't hear that anyone refused, i can't understand why the president still hasn't appealed, we remember the president's calls to close the sky over ukraine, we all said that, well so it is necessary, well , it is one thing to call for it, there must be an official application paper, please send me, la-la-la, so much this, so much this, then this and that, then such and such specialists, such and such equipment, well, for example, well, there is already a whole office there. to a ermak who can write this paper correctly in the language in which it is needed, well, i already do so i say to the example, so as not to chew in more detail in the details. well, against this background , the head of the office of the president of ukraine, andriy yermak, said that the blow that ukraine has suffered in the last three weeks is part of russia's campaign to prepare for a major offensive, the politician writes, referring to yermak, or rather quotes him: , that putin

is preparing a new wave of mobilization, we believe that... that new counteroffensive operations by the russians may begin at the end of may or the beginning of june, of course, we we must be ready for this, we still critically need additional air defense systems, because without them we will not be able to protect our cities, - he said, at the same time denys shmyhal in an interview with the estonian tv channel irr said that the army is not currently requires the mobilization of 500,000 people, it will be much softer in ukraine. let's hear what shmigel said. the president and i are monitoring the situation. we changed the commander, he conducted an audit of the defense forces. front line rotations began for the first time since the start of a full-scale invasion. we understand what is needed now not many people so we...