when in russia they call what general mili, the former, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, who is still listened to very much, warned about: first of all, to prevent a kinetic collision between the nato systems and the russian ones, this is exactly what will happen here so to speak, a violation of this... this situation, and de facto it will be considered that poland entered the war, it would probably be much better if a certain number of patriot systems were quickly transferred to the territory of ukraine, and then it would made it possible to avoid just such a threat to nato, although i say this from the perspective of the general panorama of the war. for ukraine, it would be

a much better decision if the polish systems were to be shot down, and even then we would feel more protected, and actually, we would feel that nato, well, actually supports us not only with weapons, but also with very specific actions, then the intelligence data would be added to... there would also be the protection of the ukrainian sky, of course, this step would be revolutionary, but so far i do not really believe in it, as far as strikes on our underground gas storages and power plants, and as for our strikes on russian refineries, on systems that process oil, then... in fact

, the situation now looks like a certain initial stage, and the result will depend on who will stop this scaling. i want to say that even at the beginning of april, well, western analysts drew attention to the fact that russia began to strike more precisely, and uses, no, no, yes , it uses very expensive high-precision ballistic missiles for such purposes, and at the same time aims at weakly defended areas here and there before she did not aim, in fact, ukraine does the same thing, chooses fan-type attacks with high precision, well, there are a lot of targets for ukraine , there are already drones that fly at 1,500 kilometers, and

ukraine does the same, but the question now is scaling, who will have time to scale these attacks and uh, let's say it like this, exhaustion, exhaustion of the enemy, because there are these completely justified positions that russia is also acting on the border, and the task that the kremlin is now setting, it concerns... today, literally today , and and calculations, certainly on swiss, for a swiss dialogue, for a serious conversation to begin in switzerland about freezing the war and high hopes that participation in this particular part of china can lead to positional gains for the kremlin. this is definitely

a danger for us, and therefore this political part of the war, it is extremely connected with what is happening on the battlefield, and therefore the fact that ukraine is accelerating the scaling of high-tech means of destruction and intelligence, this definitely gives a certain impetus and certain hopes that at some stage ukraine. the defense forces will be able, even without the powerful participation of the western coalition, to hold the front and to some extent destroy the russian defense potential, but the exhaustion of our infrastructure remains a really big problem, because we know that only the strikes from march 22 to today have inflicted more damage to ukraine. than the whole winter before that, yes, until

march 22. mr. valentin, thank you very much for your explanations, for those accents that relate to the directions of changes in our pre-air system. defense, thank you very much for your important comments, let me remind you that it was valentyn badrak, director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, a military analyst and writer, then we will talk about where ukraine can find these paatriot air defense systems, we know about the initiative of britain and germany to find such sam for ukraine. we will talk about this in the second part of our program after the advertising and information block. "damn stairs, the great danes don't walk anymore, wait, i'm afraid that there is no health, and what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, and i thought so until tried gerovital, gerovital plus - a phytovitamin complex that cares for the heart and

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with serhii rudenko, every weekday from 20 to 22 at espresso. the premium sponsor of the national team represents. united by football, stronger together. we continue our war and weapons program and talk about the fact that ukraine needs to strengthen air defense systems, and a number of countries, in particular germany and great britain volunteered to help with the search for the patriot air defense system, and before that the president of ukraine and the minister. the ministry of foreign affairs talked about a certain number of sams, which is at least necessary to protect our cities from russian attacks. and now we are joined by a military expert, editor-in-chief of the information and consulting company defense express, oleg katkov. mr. oleg,

welcome to kanaluso. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. i'll start with the president's statement, which was made a few days ago, where it was said that the country...needs at least 25 patriot systems, then her foreign minister talked about at least seven patriot air defense systems. explain to our viewers how many we have now and this is 7.25, are these significant numbers in comparison with what other countries in europe that have these weapons have, relative to the number of patriots in ukraine, then you can rely exclusively on public information, which was repeatedly announced, it is about the fact that ukraine received one patriot from the usa, one more from germany, germany and the netherlands also collected two, and from that we we speak already about three, but also the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy

said a few months ago that ukraine received two more air defense systems that can shoot down everything, which was not the case, but the fact is that when it comes to an air defense complex that can shoot down all, this means that it can effectively counter both direct ballistic missiles and aerodynamic targets such as aircraft, it falls under this category only with... the next of the available only two complexiots, because it effectively works both against such things as the iskander and against aircraft, which has been proven many times by the so-called blocking patriot, and the samptsi, as for the samptsi, the fact is that during all this time, after quite long talks, italy and france were able , these two major countries were only able to single out one complex, and so, and it was quite public, so it's unlikely that they did. would be one more time, even more so, two at once, and it would certainly not be a secret, given

the position and publicity of rome and paris in this matter. therefore, most likely ukraine after all still has a little more than three patriot batteries, and the question of which patriots themselves are very, very important questions, because there are objectively now in service in nato countries , including and around the world in general, two types of patriot, patriot pack 2 that uses rockets only jaime t which. actively fights precisely with aircraft, high-altitude aerodynamic targets at ranges of 160 km there, and there is a third pak, which has anti-missile capabilities and allows you to shoot down ballistic missiles such as iskander, shoot down kenjals and even zircon, that is, this is the third one, and it can also, of course, work with jmt anti -aircraft missiles, so for now we can only say approximately that ukraine has three dash five, probably patriot systems, not all of them ... may be the third , exactly 100% known about three. regarding the number of patriots in, for example,

nato countries, then recently joseph borel at the summit of the europe forum, he directly said that the western armies, that is, the western world, is nato, it is the usa, plus its european segment of nato, then it is about , which is generally what we are talking about about 100 batteries, batteries, let me remind you, this is actually an anti-aircraft missile complex, because batteries are such a... organizational staffing structure, but if you take exactly how many batteries of patriots, then there is only one that usually consists of one rus, one command post, six eight launchers, again, this configuration is quite vague, we are talking about a modern digital anti-aircraft missile complex, so the number of launchers can be changed, as well as usually on the smaller side, some countries cannot afford such a number of launchers in one patriot battery, there, for example, sweden, it orders only from a limited number of starters of three or four. and japan is also far from being a poor country, it has five launchers per battery, but if

we talk about nato countries, we are talking about 100 batteries, if to be more precise according to the available information, then we are talking about 95, of them, 60 are directly in the us, and 35 to 35 are what are in europe, and these 35, they are quite conditional, because it is better to say everything ... more about 30, because now some countries are just in the state of receiving additional patriot systems, for example, such as sweden, such as romania, poland, but there it is, too, so let's say so, it has a plan to increase the number of petraviks at once by two more, there are two batteries of reinforced composition, and they are planning to order another 12 and so on, so it is also necessary to understand that even receiving the first systems, for example, as sweden did, this... means that they immediately went on combat duty, to this time you need to add usually a year and a half or two,

these are standard due date is full combat capability of the system, when after receiving it, so that's when we talk about seven or 25 additional batteries for ukraine, how realistic are these indicators from the point of view of what other countries have, can we hope that someone share that amount? let's hope, because there is a fairly logical position here, which is broadcast by the ukrainian government, there are patriots in countries, for example, in germany, at least it can still be found. at least 10 patriots and third, it is possible that she still has a certain number so-called warehouses, maybe in a pretty dead state, because they decommissioned them during the beginning of the 2000s, that is, they sold them off, maybe took them out, that is, their fate is unknown, but they had, well, we can say that about she still

has ten, so when germany has only 10 patriots and we hope that she will give us seven more pieces, right? no, we are not talking about this, because of course, i just immediately understood that if there are patriots in the entire western world, then 1/4 part, if we talk about 25, well says that it cannot be easy, as well as the fact that if europe is in conditions where the usa is not at all with, well, so far there are no signs that this is objectively a blockade of aid to ukraine, i do not know , whatever to call it, because it goes beyond any limits. discussed at all, when the usa does not allocate aid to ukraine and thereby shoots itself in the foot by the fact that now everyone in poland, in europe, and even in japan , the prime minister says in a speech in congress that the usa should return to the role of security guarantor, because well, how to provide it help, when you promised to do it, so we exclude 60 batteries from the american ones in this

situation, and then even seven batteries from 35 there ... let the european ones are also quite a significant mark, so of course it is not about the fact that somewhere in someone, there is a whole basement with these dead people, which is filled with patriots, you just have to remember where the keys are, to open and get the anti-aircraft missile complex from there, it is difficult, so immediately when even germany, after all , it is the leader of the coalition directly, which adds that anti-aircraft should be delivered to ukraine defense, she immediately said that it would not be easy. it will be some rather difficult ways with the search for some combination, well, again , berlin has experience when they assembled one battery of patriots together with the netherlands, the netherlands handed over, by the way, two launchers, the other one was given by germany, and even then there could be such a situation, that will have to be taken somewhere, someone will give one launcher, someone will give a communication car, for example, one too, somewhere someone

will hand over a radar station, for example, somehow it will be restored, someone there will give it, well... this precisely the radar station is the main core of the complex, without it it is, well, let’s say this, it is a separate conversation, but we believe that it cannot work without it, and all this is additional , in fact, except for the direct question of where to get the patriot batteries themselves, eh , well here and there, by the way, it should be noted that germany also said that it will look for options outside europe, asia and the middle east. as i understand it, this is exactly asia, i mean japan, which does not export weapons in principle, but the missile may transmit to the americans, but recently it has lifted its own self-restriction on the export of weapons and can transfer those missiles that it produces in misobisha under a license from lokhit martin, these are

mci anti-missile missiles to be sold to the usa, in the event that the usa does not provide assistance, about this you can forget and taiwan, well, there are seven batteries, well, japan has 24, 25, and taiwan has seven more, taiwan, well, it will definitely not transfer anything, there is korea, the south, of course, well, it also does not transfer any weapons to ukraine, and quite of course, why, because there next to them is the dprk, which is constantly testing something there, firing missiles into the sea and demonstrating what it will do with ulum and everything else, the middle east. a very difficult region from the point of view of arms trade and diplomacy in general, but there really are patriots there, in particular, only in saudi arabia there can be up to 25, why up to 25, because we are talking about countries that are much more closed in the public sphere than for example, the countries of europe or the usa, and therefore it is possible to talk only about a certain - well, interval, how many there can be, this is 18

or 25 patriots, well, about this interval, come down. arabia is indeed quite a possible potential donor, because it is quite focused directly on european, american weapons, and well , let's say, there are chances in my opinion, but unless of course berlin will negotiate, because berlin has been blocking the sale to saudi since 18 arabia's eurofighter fighter jets, which is why more london is participating, which was also announced by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, koleba. that the bosom will also look for the patriots can be much more positive, therefore that the trade balance of arms directly with saudi arabia and great britain is 10 billion over the past 10 years and pounds and dollars. mr. oleg, we are now talking about missiles, about complexes, and why do we forget, first of all, that rockets for these systems should be in the first place, what about the production,

means of impression under the patriot, what needs, what opportunities do the manufacturers have to satisfy the demand of both ukraine and other countries that use these weapons is much more complicated, that is, it is clear that, well, it is already clear that with patriots, they don't lie around somewhere. and the missile problem also exists. regarding the production of new missiles, because there are, of course, reserves, we still hope that ukraine will still receive missiles from the reserve, and not wait until they are manufactured, because otherwise everything becomes quite critical, and perhaps just explains the fact that the search for petri also rests on the number of rockets that will need to be transferred, that is, even if you get two rockets to them in such a quantity, it may not be trivial. in what problem? and in relation to the production of missiles, there are gmt missiles, which are designed to destroy

aerodynamic targets. they are produced by rayton and the officially announced rate of their production is 20 rockets per month. 240 per year. on all the patriots in education that there are. just to be clear, if you even just load these... uh well take all the american patriots and load them with these missiles, that means that rayton has to operate for about 7-8 years just to provide one of the total saab with of these american patriots at the current rate, of course it is expanding, here the important aspect is that they are expanding the production of missiles, now in europe the production of gmt missiles is starting, it will be in germany, a joint venture with reit + mdba, camblock. uh, the alets should leave the factory in two years, and in the 27th, the sixth year of the 27th, the production rate should

be 35, relative to anti-missiles, more precisely mce anti-missiles, that is, which are designed for and should shoot down already ballistic targets, such like the same iskanders, work effectively against daggers, everything else is official. messages and well, this is public information, it became the subject of a congressional hearing there, even the budget was knocked out, that locket martin is currently producing 500 mci, well, there in japan, but this is unknown, because japan did not announce any data, relative to the american 500 units on plan to expand by the 27th year. their production is up to 750 per year, but for this, money is needed, under the pentagon, the pentagon needs money from difficult, but the plans for 50 by 2027 are quite

realistic in any that there are more and more patriots in the world, it is armed even taking into account the fact that the work on the integration of these missiles, its on and other systems from, well, ship systems, now we are talking precisely about, about missiles to the patriots, and in front of you i am talking with alantid badryuk about what needs to be looked at from the side to look for defense systems, in particular , turkey, to get support for such systems in the same way. power, conditionally speaking, that you are from this, is there a sense of air defense systems, everything resists maybe,

in particular turkey, let’s say this, there is a project, three national projects at once, haysar, and their the point is to create your own proposal, that turkey. at the same time, it is still only, let's say, at the stage of completion of the test and already mass- produced. this is not about the fact that they can be bought and in the right amount directly for, in fact, if you order years, relatively half.

a country that actually has the creation and sale of anti-missile defense systems that also does not export. ukraine's arms, like south korea's, are israel's. this is the sling of david complex. extremely interesting, it is already approved for export. his first the customer was directly finland. and it has a significantly lower cost than the patriot, and its rocket costs, according to official data, they were announced in the pentagon, 20% of the cost of the msi, that is, approximately $ 400-500 against three. and she is this one. the missile must be

integrated into the next iteration of the patriot pak-4, which is currently being developed, but here it is very important to understand that regarding these slings of david and this missile, israel still maintains such a difficult political position regarding the transfer to ukraine and sale or at least re-export of weapons to ukraine, he blocks it. mr. olezh, literally one minute, how did you predict the searches of the system. a patriot for ukraine in the short-term or medium-term perspective, what can ukraine optimally count on according to your evaluations? unfortunately, once again, the situation depends primarily on the usa, if the usa nevertheless accepts its general aid budget for ukraine, then the question of where to take the patriots to get the missiles to them, they automatically disappear, this opens up the possibility of strengthening ukrainian needs.

the number of funds in the conditions of the us blocking aid to ukraine, this is a very difficult issue, maybe in europe they will be able to collect really one, maybe two batteries, this is in the short term, in the future , of course, they can say, well, now one, now the day after tomorrow two, but then we are still going there, but then , of course, it can be with such an aim for the 26th-28th year. mr. oleg, thank you very much for your professional comments and for your time. let me remind you that it was oleg katkov, the editor-in-chief of defense express, our information consulting company companies and if we talk about the results of this program, we really have a demand for at least 25 patriot systems. we see that this is an extremely ambitious goal. if at best we can get five systems of a similar class from our partners, that will be very, very good. it is also necessary to focus

on... work with european companies to obtain european air defense systems, and still not to forget about cooperative projects with a number of countries, where we have to create joint air defense systems for various purposes, which are also extremely necessary for solving various tasks, both for the protection of peaceful cities and for the protection of the battlefield. so, we hope that these projects will develop and they will really have a concrete result on... the front line, these were the main points related to the search for patriots for ukraine, stay tuned to the espresso channel, there will be a lot of interesting information.

russian troops struck civilian infrastructure in the residential sector of the city of sumy and many other news in this issue. greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel. 18 o'clock in ukraine and bring to your attention the most important events at this time in the studio of iryna koval. therefore , three people were previously injured in sumy, the sumy regional military administration reported. also, as a result of the impact , the roof of the non-residential premises was partially destroyed. the roof caught fire. the fire has been extinguished. in addition, windows were broken in two administrative buildings and three residential buildings. emergency services are working at the scene of the impact.

i will note, the day before. the troops of the russian federation hit the guided a.