the experience is unique, whether we can implement it 100% with such a tracing paper in our modern reality is a very debatable question, but the fact that at least several tens of thousands of female servicemen are already serving in the ukrainian army, including in officer positions, including in in the positions of commanders of combat units - this is our reality, and of course, here the issue should not be related to gender policy so much as to... professional skills, professional abilities and professionalism of citizens of our countries that are ready to defend our land with weapons in their hands. regarding the definition of this thesis, i think that a more detailed relevant expert community should work here, studying in more detail the social risks of those processes, and the readiness of the vast majority of our women to take up arms, but again , ukraine. we have one, we have no other

land and the enemy does not completely hide its encroachments, so it may happen that all citizens of our country will be forced to take up arms, because each of us ukrainians has many chances to survive in the event of occupation. i thank you very much for your comment, mr. vladyslav, i know you should be off by now, thank you, thank you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. friend oleksandr, i would like to continue this topic with you, tell our viewers, are there women in the battalion of vovka devinchi? yes, of course, and in fact, it is, including the ulkh medical service, which saved my hand, first my hand, then a new one, for which i am infinitely grateful to them. and answering your question

about the mobilization of women, well, we are in such a situation that everyone must be able to fight, starting from a teenager, and ending with an elderly person, unfortunately, as of now it is like this, the question is whether they will fight, i believe that a woman, a citizen of the republic and... who has the right to decide whether to fight her or not to fight, as far as she should be forced the same as a man, well, my subjective opinion, i think not, if you asked my opinion, would i like to be in the dugout, next to women, while there would be an option, that it is necessary that they must, because there is no one left,

then i would answer that no, and if that happens, that i will be in the dugout with and there will be bells nearby, i will have great respect from these people, because well, i am convinced that this happens, we simply do not have women in the battalion in such positions as gunner, grenade launcher, so with great respect to every woman who is in the army. with great respect for every woman who, in fact , performs purely combat tasks, but i would prefer that this did not happen. well, my friend oleksandr, you have every chance to meet women at the front, because there are 4,000 of them there, and in general , there are more than 60,000 of them in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine. i thank you very much for the assignment. time, take care

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represents. united by football, stronger together. welcome to the espresso channel. today, in our military program, we will talk about how ukraine can and wants to strengthen its air defense system. ukraine's need to increase air defense resources has become so obvious that, for example, the european parliament this week refused to vote on the budget issues of the council of the eu, until now. ukraine will not receive additional patriot systems, because the european parliamentarians themselves believe that there are as many as 100 patriot systems in europe, and it is quite possible and quite logical to transfer at least seven to ukraine for the protection of our cities, but these

are the words of politicians, and it does not actually mean that the governments of european countries are about to make a decision to share patriots with ukraine, so what is the reality and what can ukraine do to really strengthen its anti-aircraft capabilities both on the battlefield and in the skies above our civilian cities with in view of the russian threats, which still do not decrease. we will talk about this in the next edition of our military program war and weapons. my name is serhiy sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which is currently trying to cover together with the espresso channel. the most relevant trends in the life of our defense-industrial complex and our armed forces. and now we are joined by valentyn badrak, director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center, military analyst and writer. mr. valentino, congratulations you, for the sake of seeing and hearing. congratulations, mr. sergey,

as always, i am very glad of the invitation. just before the program, you and i discussed the fact that the war is changing now and each side is trying to use the advantage. technologies in one form or another, and the one who adapts faster, in principle, he really, well, has a certain opportunity to overtake the opponent, and the one who does the work on mistakes faster, also, well, has a profit from this work, here i am would like you to now so generally assess the modern battlefield that on it is of crucial importance and as an additional issue with our anti-aircraft defense. defense, or there is also this pursuit of technologies, where each side tries to find the weaknesses of the other? well, probably, i will start with the general, from the battlefield, yes, sometime in september, the military actually signaled from

the front that the war of drones had begun, and this was caused, on the one hand, by insufficiency already in ukraine. and in the country itself, the aggressors in russia, precisely the artillery systems of modern and very, i would say, those smart ammunition that could be used very actively, and as a matter of fact, immediately there was a competition in how these drones will be modernized, and we can see. very serious things that happened, that is, the dynamics of technological changes increased from september 23rd, well , just several times, we also saw the creation of drones, fpv drones with self-capture of targets, targets, we also saw

drones with thermal imagers, which was not the case before , but in a mass form now, we see now, it was literally yesterday. an interesting message about the fact that in russia they seem to have developed a communication system and are moving from pprc to dynamic changes of ee. frequencies and and it seems like it will make the situation with drones very difficult, but at the same time, at the same time, the efficiency of fpv drones is estimated by the military to be about 10 to 40%, and they say that it takes somewhere around 10 drones to destroy, for example, a tank , and a lot of drones are getting lost, rap is very influential, and it's in... new, even old, new technologies, from, say,

hunting rifles that shoot down small, drones to, say, rebov rifles, very diverse technologies, interceptors now are developing very actively, the americans have already purchased as many as 600 coyotes, yes , such interceptors, and all this will prompt... experts to talk about certain changes, now there are opinions that, firstly, rep will have more influence, and secondly, there will be changes in the sense that, for example, ground operations will constitute, well , the main or core of capabilities on the battlefield, and already at the beginning of january, the ukrainians demonstrated several such interesting things, in particular, a kamikaze drone went as far as 4 km to

the enemy and destroyed a bridge, this is very such a trend, very interesting, shown by deminers who literally in front of the enemy 100 m and even to the enemy they can demine, and these are unmanned platforms, these are very serious things, then the development of mini underwater drones, even... underwater shuttles, these are all moments, and of course the development of air systems, for example , china created, interestingly, created a drone, it was literally reported in march, a drone that is capable of dividing into three, six other drones and creating a swarm of drones, controlled, that is, such very powerful ideas, powerful systems, but mainly , what we have, what we... have a conclusion to conclude, we are fighting a combined war, in a combined war is

when very expensive things collide with very cheap but massive technologies, and we see that, we see that the cheap massive technologies in the war of attrition begin to dominate, we see the exhaustion of the ukrainian air defense system, we see the exhaustion of russia. artillery, in fact, when drones surpass and increase the effect of work efficiency and perform, well yes, of course, they do not perform the full range, but only about 30-40% of the functions artillery, but at the expense of dynamics, at the expense of cheapness, one projectile, well, definitely on the russian market it costs about 600-700 dollars for itself there, but we now have one ammunition. costs up to 8 thousand dollars, recently the namo da company reported that

it increased tenfold to 800 dollars, at the beginning of the year nato concluded a contract where there were already 5.5 thousand dollars for one ammunition, i am not talking about smart ammunition that costs more than 60 thousand dollars one ammo, yes, and a drone alone costs 600 dollars there... if it will be more technological, then it will still cost no more than 2-3 thousand dollars, and how this dynamic affects precisely the confrontation of air defense systems, you mentioned that ukrainian air defense is slowly being depleted, probably due to the fact that the enemy uses shaheds or cheaper missiles there , uses more expensive missiles for strikes for such important purposes as this dynamic affects the formation of strategy. there, the russian offensive, our defense, when it comes to air defense systems, a very important point

connected with the creation of precisely echeloned air defense and the creation, so to speak, of a sequence of targets, literally today we read such an insider's report about yesterday and about the fact that in odesa region was shot down... a ukrainian s-300 was hit by a drone , and according to the ukrainian military, this happened due to the fact that they were not allowed to shoot down the drone that was above them, formally. everything is true, it reflects the essence of the problem itself. now ukraine has focused on the fact that the world is looking for patriots, patriot systems. we know that the rocket patriot costs from two to 4 million dollars, and now i will go back to the most crazy, if it was possible to take a significant amount

to accumulate, yes, to collect a significant number of systems, let's say the same skyranger, skynex with programmable ammunition, then in fact all the issues of enemy drones and a significant they would take over a part of the missiles, and then they would only deal with ballistics, let's say the same patriots and, for example, aircraft at long distances there 50-70 km from the front line, this is an important point, the second is important. the moment that you need to look more broadly at the market than just the patriot market, well, for example, let me remind you that in february of this year, during the exhibition, saudi arabia signed a new contract with south korea for 10 batteries, new, well, not quite and a new system, but the medium range system, what

is it called, yes? which can confidently shoot down missiles at a distance of 40 km, and such a system would also take over part of the tasks if, for example, the european union, europe could buy off, but the main issue with the patriots and with other issues, with other systems, the fact is that we faced a remarkable, remarkable selfishness of european countries, because they are already... each of the countries thinks that they have to defend themselves, and ukraine, well, let it be , how will it be, yes, it is telling that the president of moldova called on the leadership of the netherlands, yesterday, yes there was this information, to transfer their batteries to ukraine, they have three batteries of patriots,

and not so, really, not so, vulnerable now, right now about this. and now it is necessary to protect ukraine, i am not talking about such countries as greece, yes, which is under the great influence of moscow, and they are unlikely to hand over their batteries, but let's say, the same germany of its ten batteries, well, it could hand over a couple of three, the same poland or romania, which have just purchased systems patriot, could we share the queue, so to speak, become second in line. why, why is it important to prove this to europe, because otherwise they themselves will have to use these systems to fight against hostile russia when it attacks and attacks european nato countries, well, of course, and of course, the purchase of patriot systems outside the european union, outside europe, it can also

be, and again, yesterday. yesterday's speech by the prime minister of japan, mr. kishida, to the congress of the united states of america, where he urged not to give up the leadership of the united states, and apparently he hinted that the united states could also sell to the europeans, let's say 5-10 batteries of its 60 batteries there patriot, but indicatively, this is a very brave performance by the japanese, who... now, well, very strongly, so to speak, are pressing for ukraine, yes, i understand that their there, how many do they have, 24 batteries, their petrios, they are unlikely to share because, first of all , of the very powerful danger from china, which has now increased many times, but to influence partners, now in the world there is

such a regrouping of forces, and really what side. will regroup sooner, that side will have advantages, and actually speaking, all strategic things will probably be decided by september 24th, maybe by october, and this requires very dynamic changes in decision-making and in their implementation, i.e. supply these systems that we are talking about now, therefore... the conclusion is to divide not only patriot, but also other systems, and the second is to persuade, to transfer not only what is there somewhere in warehouses, conditionally in... storages, but to transfer what they have now in the military, to share, then there is one more proposal for discussion, when russia

struck gas storages, daggers, other systems, then this gave rise to such an idea, perhaps in some way to integrate the interaction of our air defense system and the system defense of poland, maybe it can be another such step in order for the air defense shield over our... ukraine to be more powerful, what do you think about such initiatives, decisions, proposals? the idea is certainly interesting, but i do not believe that nato will agree to such a move, because in fact, if it is about using polish patriot systems directly from the territory of poland, then this will create a situation when russia will be called. something that general milley, the former, former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, who is still listened to very strongly, warned about, he said, in the first

turn to prevent a kinetic collision of nato systems and its russian ones, here exactly this will be a violation of this this this this situation, and de facto it will be considered that poland... has entered the war, it would probably be much better if would have been quickly transferred, well, a certain number of patriot systems to the territory of ukraine, and then this would have made it possible to avoid just such a threat to nato, although i am saying this from the standpoint of the general panorama of the war. of course, it would be a much better solution for ukraine if the polish systems started shoot down, yes and eh, then we would feel

more protected, and actually speaking, we would feel that nato, well, actually supports us not only with weapons, but also with very specific actions, then the intelligence data would be added, protection would be added of the ukrainian sky, of course this... would be a revolutionary step, but so far i do not really believe in it, as regards strikes on our underground gas storages and power plants, and as regards our strikes on russian refineries, on systems , which process oil, this is actually how the situation looks now. as a certain one the initial stage, and the result will depend on who will hold this scaling. i want

to say that at the beginning of april, well, western analysts drew attention to the fact that russia began to strike more precisely and uses no, does not hold, yes, uses for such purposes. very expensive high-precision ballistic missiles and at the same time aim at weakly defended areas where it did not aim before, in fact ukraine does the same, chooses such fan attacks, high-precision, well, there are a lot of targets for ukraine, there are already drones that fly at 1500 km , and so is ukraine does, but... the question now is scaling, who will have time to scale these attacks and, let's put it this way, exhaustion, exhaustion of the enemy, because

there are these completely justified positions that russia is also acting on the border, and the task that the kremlin now puts, it refers to today, literally today, and... the calculations are definitely on the swiss on the swiss dialogue, for a serious conversation to begin in switzerland about freezing the war and great hopes that the participation in this, precisely in this area china can lead to positional gains for the kremlin, that's definitely a danger for us, and that's why... this political part of the war, it's extremely connected to what's happening on the battlefield, and that's why

ukraine is accelerating from the scale '. of high-tech weapons of destruction and intelligence, this definitely gives a certain impetus and certain hopes that at some stage ukraine, the defense forces will be able, even without the powerful participation of the western coalition, to hold the front and to some extent destroy the russian defense potential, but really the depletion of our infrastructure remains a big... problem, because we know that only the strikes from march 22 to today have caused more damage to ukraine than the entire winter before that, and until march 22. mr. valentine, thank you very much for your explanations, for those accents that relate to the directions of change in our air defense system, thank you very much for your

important comments, army research center conversion and disarmament, military analyst and writer, next we will talk about where ukraine can find the patriot air defense system, we we know about the initiative of britain and germany to find such air defense systems for ukraine. we will talk about this in the second part of our program after the advertising information block. champions league quarter-finals only on mego. barcelona-psg and man city-real. who will go further, who will leave all hopes on the field? find out on april 16th and 17th exclusively on megogo. the football format changes the time of

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represents. united by football, stronger together. we continue our "war and weapons" program and talk about the fact that ukraine needs to strengthen air defense systems and a number of countries, in particular germany and great britain, have volunteered to help with the search. the patriot air defense system, and before that, the president of ukraine and the minister of foreign affairs talked about a certain number of air defense systems, which is at least necessary to cover our cities from russian attacks. and now to us military expert, editor-in-chief of the information and consulting company defense express, oleg katkov, joins. mr. oleg, welcome to kanaluso. good afternoon,

thank you for the invitation. i'll start with the president's statement, which sounded a few days ago, where it was said that ukraine needs at least 25 patriot systems, then the minister of foreign affairs talked about at least seven patriot air defense systems. please explain to our viewers how many we currently have and this 7 and 25 are significant amounts compared to what others have countries in europe that have this. regarding the number of patriots in ukraine, we can rely on exclusively public information that has been repeatedly announced, we are talking about the fact that ukraine received one patriot from the usa, one more from germany, germany and the netherlands also collected two, from which we are already talking about three, but the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi also said a few months ago that ukraine received more.