it consists not only in enlisting in the army, mobilization is, first of all , the transfer of the entire economy, work, enterprises, institutions, organizations, the public sector, all municipal institutions, to the mode of work in a special period, accordingly , demobilization is the return from this mode in the normal regime of peacetime, and both of these processes are activated exclusively by the commander-in-chief of the president of ukraine, this is not mine, this is what has been written for 30 years and is legal, according to which we are all working, so in order to somehow understand what is happening, let's still get rid of these media stamps and still speak in legal language, because we are constantly talking not about appeals, but about things that have very clear legal consequences, so i have a big question, whether mobilization took place in ukraine at all for the third year of the war, because once again it is not about conscription. accordingly, while there is a great war,

demobilization in the sense of this word is legally impossible by definition, because demobilization is the transfer of the entire country to a state of peace. while the war is going on, this is impossible. we must probably talk about additional conditions for completing military service, or additional conditions for rotation, rest, and so on. and in other words, about the additional conditions of motivation, this is what the opposition talked about a lot, what...we were promised during the work of the specialized committee, which indeed, i confirm what my colleague paturaev says, the committee worked day and night, without exaggeration, there were meetings for about 10-12 hours, but there were moments a week or two before the vote, when the committee was promised a very wide package of additional motivation, and i i believe that it was and is critically important, because the times have already passed when people went and wanted to join the army with pure guidance. with some

patriotic feelings, we need a clear formula of what, how, why, military soldiers receive, what service, what additional benefits, what additional payments and so on. unfortunately, this did not happen to a sufficient extent, it must also be recognized that the law voted contains certain additional points on motivation, such as vacations, payments during treatment, well, there are a number of things, they are important, they are very important, they had to be... supported, but this is critically lacking, and i think that we will continue to seek additional tools to motivate the military, because without this we will not continue the war, and the last, if i may, to end my whole tirade about the legal nature of this process, at least 20% of the package voted by the verkhovna rada has the right and could be approved by the supreme commander-in-chief and the cabinet of ministers, and the rate, respectively. to the current legislation,

but it so happened that absolutely from political ones motives from the autumn of last year, when they began to remove the zaluzhuj, this issue was transferred to a purely political plane and was dumped on the verkhovna rada, and i, for example, was very uncomfortable in the situation when the specialized committee actually rewrote the law, and here i agree with that , that many deputies' initiatives, they were integrated into the final texts, but the deputies were actually deprived of the right to influence the... final version, we were all faced with the fact, but the point is that actually for political reasons the military-political leadership shied away from adopting such not very possibly pleasant decisions, and they blamed it all on the verkhovna rada, and the verkhovna rada worked, excuse me, in an absolutely normal parliamentary mode. the last thesis about delaying, i think, delaying should be asked only of the president of ukraine, who had a draft law on his desk for 10 months, which the verkhovna rada. the council voted in may

23 to lower the draft age from 27 to 25. yes, it was certainly a difficult decision. yes, it may be political toxic, but the verkhovna rada voted it in may last year. why did the president sign it only about three weeks ago. this is a drag. we lost no less than a year, probably more, a year and a half so that we could equip the armed forces of ukraine with better quality. it has already happened. well, there are more questions than answers here, i don't know, mr. nikita, whether you will reflect on this, yes, i will comment very briefly on what mr. andriy said, i am ready to subscribe to almost every word he says, and i will discuss a little only with his last thesis, that means, well , all three of us who are present here, it doesn't even matter who is there, what level there is, who has admission, well, we know these numbers, they are basically already walking around... media

, how many people in the country have not been registered, and these are people just not, well, not all of them, let's say, 25 years, exactly, just the opposite. and the conflict with this law on 25 was that the president quite naturally, like any of us, colleagues, did not really want to lower, that is, the bar for conscription, hoping that there would be a law about mobilization, and the law, mr. andriy, once again, i disagree with you a little bit, the law is necessary because, you know, we have very, well, unfortunately, because of certain traditions, which we will not... to stop for a long time, well , mostly we try to regulate everything by laws, so i do not agree with you that it was possible to regulate everything by the orders of the supreme, or that is, by the orders of the central committee or there by the orders of the ministry of defense, so our norm-making tradition is

that we regulate everything, that we can legislatively, and the entire state system is built anyway, you you know, she dances, she dances, so to speak , from the laws, so when the president... wrote this law right now about 25 years ago, it is understandable why, because on the one hand you are right there, maybe not all motivational the tools that we would like and we would like, as well as you, are in the law, but we all know the law, it is much softer than the military wanted, well, let's not hide it, and they wanted a lot more of those hard tools, and with those tools. which are in the law, in order to so that, after all, the armed forces received a replenishment, which they really need, really, so this package happened, yes, that is, an addition, that is, to the law, which is called the law on mobilization, although you, mr. andriy, are absolutely

right, he, well, that is, he has been operating there since 93 , the law of 25, and forgot the number, so there is another law, there, which regulates the other there... the walking moments are related to those who were limited suitable and so on, well, we know what it is about, i think the whole country already knows what it is about, that is, well, i count there three, maybe i'm wrong, maybe there are even more of them in this package, but it's all connected, we have to understand it, and it's connected to the main task that has been set before everyone, before everyone from the president to each of us , military, the task, the task is simple, the army must receive reinforcements. precisely in order to start normal rotations in the army, normal re-staffing, re-formation and so on, everything that mr. andriy said was absolutely correct, i won’t even repeat it, i’m saying, i’m 98% seven to 100% , yes thank you sir

mykyto, there are many questions, in fact, in this package, which he signed the day before the law on amendments to the law on the mobilization of the president of ukraine, well, in particular, on the limited one. suitable, when there will only be suitable and unsuitable, there are a lot of questions about the limited suitable, because it is absolutely obvious that they will become suitable, and here the question is how, for example, a person was unsuitable for 50 years, or limited suitable, and suddenly he will fall into the category of suitable, well, this is also a big question, among others to to the parliament and to the president, but obviously this is the topic of a separate discussion, gentlemen, let's talk about the important topic of information policy, how to resist propaganda in the russian federation, because in the center of information security, i believe that the information policy of the state of ukraine should be reformatted, and about this, in particular

, ihor solovei, head of the center for strategic communications and information security, said in an interview with ukrinform. let's listen to what the nightingale said. we have to play the main violin here, because we have to offer it to the world, to offer it platforms, plan ideas, propose mechanisms and tools, how to solve it, because we have been fighting since the 14th year, we already have certain baggage, we have certain tools, we have certain experience, with this experience we have to share and show how we did it and how it worked, what didn't work. uniting around like-minded people so that this informational weapon, which is used by the kremlin against the world, was at least neutralized. so, against the background of what solovei is saying, a petition appeared, and it gained 25,000 signatures about what is not

we need the money that is used for the telethon, the only news and tv channel fridom, we don't need this money there. to give state funds, give them to finance the purchase of drones and pickup trucks for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, which was answered by the prime minister of ukraine. denis shmehal, since ensuring information security is part of the state policy in the field of national security and defense, and the implementation of a unified information policy is a priority issue of national security, the financing of relevant measures is an important component of countering the military aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, in particular in the information space. accordingly, the redistribution of expenses specified in the petition by directing them to the needs of other components of the security sector. and defense is not appropriate. mr. rostyslav, how would you evaluate the information policy and strategy,

the information strategy during the war, the state information strategy, to what extent we cope with it, to what extent we do not cope with it, how appropriate it is to hold a single telethon, or still give the opportunity for each tv channel to do what it did not do before the war, but not at the expense of the state budget. look, since our prime minister actually puts the activity of the marathon in the same row, and calls it part of the work to protect the ukrainian state, calls it part of the security sector and practically compares it with the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, then it is probably worth evaluating the effectiveness of the action this is the security sector, because i think that no one has questions about the effectiveness of the armed forces of ukraine, and thanks. we can here their combat work to exchange opinions on the air and with, on equal terms

, in comfortable conditions, as for a war of such intensity, while, as for the marathon, we see more and more questions about the performance of information functions within the country, by the way, i must say that one of the obvious of the functions of the marathon was clarification and information support, mobilization issues, conscription issues, and obviously once... we already had so many questions, so much attention paid to the question of evaluating this, how many spears were broken, obviously the marathon did not cope with this, the question withdrawal various negative effects of russian propaganda in ukrainian society, we see how the waves are rising, sometimes in social networks, then in rumors, various nonsense that russia throws into the ukrainian information space, and we do not see a particular effectiveness of the marathon in overcoming them, well, in the end ... if we already say what the expert said in the briefing regarding our work

abroad, then we would expect from a unified information policy, effective work there, which, unfortunately, we also do not see, and actually the experts also talk about this , that's me i think that the time has long come for tv channels to work, competing in a good sense, the framework has long been clear to everyone, the law of ukraine, absolutely in accordance with the constitution, sets restrictions on the dissemination of information during. martial law, it is not possible to show the combat work of the defense forces, it is not possible to show the movement of troops, their location and so on, an absolutely logical restriction, there are obviously guidelines for a unified information policy, this is a countermeasure to russian fakes, again, this is the spread of the ukrainian position, this is absolutely normal the framework held by all ukrainian channels, it is precisely in order to be effective that it is long time for them to do this, to do it not at the expense of taxpayers, attracting... also for this other funds and opportunities, and by the way,

speaking about equal conditions, it is high time to return both espresso, and direct and fifth to digital broadcasting, in order to show that there really is freedom of speech in ukraine, and this, by the way, will become another thesis and another argument in conversation with our partners, in order to show what ukraine is like democracy is waging a war against tyranny, and the last point i would like to say here, since our government puts everything in one row and says that there is information security, which is supposedly provided by the marathon, there are, as was said, other sectors the issue of security, well then, let's talk about the effective use of all resources, about the removal of absolutely illegal and illogical restrictions on business trips of deputies and people's deputies and deputies of other levels abroad to work there, to clarify the ukrainian positions, because... we see that, unfortunately, the bodies and systems that are responsible for this

do not cope with it, and there is a very big question about efficiency, and obviously, here we just need to work on mistakes and include what why ukrainian society, in which ukrainian activists have always been stronger in creativity, in flexibility, in the ability to find such answers in critical situations, for which the rashists simply will not be ready. thank you, mr. andriy, how do you assess... the current information policy and how strong it looks and how we can to confront russia, because this is a serious enough issue not only internally. of ukraine, but also in the whole world, because before we had enough, long enough ago, and the broadcasting was ukrainian, and it did its job, now there is no such broadcasting, we have channels that are directed inside the state, outside russia , just us, as in just beats me. well

, you know, do we have an information policy, if you look soberly at what is happening, well, let's keep it simple. in that example we are the first part of our conversation spent on discussing changes to the service mobilization process. please tell me why, three days before the vote and two days after the vote, the discussion and details of the draft law were discussed in telegram channels. why didn't anyone come to the press conference, the minister of defense, the commander, i don't know, the head of the general staff, they should have come out and explained everything to the people on their fingers, it was necessary to collect two dozen. and journalists, all channels and all media, and explain everything to them so that they rebroadcast it. this is basically one voice policy a question that stirred the whole country. this did not happen out of nowhere. telegram channels , including anonymous ones, dispersed the most diverse theses, which created complete chaos,

final chaos in the minds of ukrainians. here is a simple example of our solution. in general information issues in times of information war. in order for there to be an information policy, it must first be created, it must be implemented by someone. we have been without a minister of culture and information policy for 260 days. and it's not that that he should be good or bad, but simply, if the team does not have a football coach, there is no one at all, no matter what players are there, they will not win, because there is a certain algorithm, so to speak, of the organization of the operational process between. players and the same in the media space between the ministry, which is supposed to implement state policy and all the players, we simply don't have it, so if all of this is not there, what kind of politics can we talk about? there are some people in the president's office who have taken over a huge pile of powers, there are movie theater companies that book

from conscription, because it turns out to be a strategic enterprise, hundreds of millions of hryvnias are poured into them, and... as a result, the same telethon, it has long ceased to perform the functions of consolidating the information space. i completely understand and am well aware that according to the constitution, during martial law actions , human rights can be limited, including freedom of speech, but this must be done in order to protect the country from fakes and from hostile propaganda. now we found ourselves in a 180° situation when it comes to the marathon money is pouring in, his... reputation is close to zero, and people massively, massively get information from anonymous telegram channels, this is a fact, this is not my fantasy, accordingly, if we want to at least somehow prevent russian influence, we need to change something, sorry in the conservatory, and it should be done there six months ago, i think that the easiest option is to give freedom of operation to all

tv channels in order for them to compete with their media pro... i don't think that there will be any crazy people who want to repeat the scheme of work of the channels there medvedchuk in the past, or someone else, despite the fact that the interchannel is still alive and well and is a participant in the marathon, and for me it is strange to say the least, but less so if all the channels will be engaged in the propaganda of the ukrainian victory, the ukrainian war , ukrainian, ukrainian heroes, surely it will be more useful than... artificial consolidation of the entire flow in one point, which actually gives only the opposite result. the sooner awareness comes, the better. i understand that this is very difficult for colleague poturaev to comment, because he is one way or another a member of the team, but he understands everything very well, how it works, so i have high hopes both for his committee and for the freedom

of speech committee of the verkhovna rada, which has been headed by my neighbor for several months by party, and i hope. that he, too, should show a more active, i would say even tough position, defending the interest of not even the parliament, not even the issue of covering the work of the parliament, which is still artificially restrained, the issue of the highest quality information policy, as a key component in general in war thank you, mr. andriy, nikita poturaev, you are exactly the kind of person who knows a lot about information policy and for a long time. because he has been working in the media for a long time and was, if i am not mistaken, the first deputy chairman of the national council for television and radio broadcasting in the old media, you worked and, well, in principle, you are the person who created the media, who regulated the media, influenced these media, but andriy osadchuk had a question as to whether there is currently an information policy, because the

parliamentary committee that you head deals with humanitarian and information issues there is no policy, minister of culture and information policy, but is there an information policy in addition to the name in your cabinet during the war in the state, let's say so, information policy, of course there is. so let's go colleagues, well, it seems to me that none of the three of us watches the marathon, maybe even four, maybe mr. serhiy is the only one that i don't know, because of work duties, so, but, well, let's work with numbers, even according to the most pessimistic estimates, in the latest sociological studies, the marathon is trusted, trusted, watched, because more actually. trust, at least 40% of citizens, it is not zero, yes, that is, it is still a powerful tool, so how does it

happen, in fact , mykola knyazhytsky and i recently recalled our very old experience, when we were both members of the national council for television, rodeo broadcasting and were in the united states a month after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, so how did it work there, well, the nation was in shock. because the territory of the united states was attacked for the first time after perlgar, that is, since 1941, thousands of people, we know, more than 300 the americans died very quickly, and a very heavy death, so, well, it's such, you know, i'm sorry, irritation, and the leading media decided that they should take the initiative themselves, and in fact in... all the leading american media were determined, they themselves determined the person who would be responsible for participation in such an absolutely informal

body that would coordinate the national information policy, it was not created by the orders of the white house, it was not created by the decisions of the us congress, it was created by itself, it was a classic example self-regulation of self-governance, and that's how it worked, really. certain elements of such a system also formed completely independently in the ukrainian information space, i believe that they should be constituted, because, let's say, in america for a certain time it worked very rhythmically, they gathered, and you can imagine that at the level there vice presidents of such giants as abc, cbs, that means other corporations of colossal american media corporations. they met at least once a week, that was closed meetings, they met with representatives of the white house, the pentagon, the dazhdep, well, with whomever it was necessary, and together they worked out the narratives

that needed to be conveyed to the american nation, i think that we should think about something similar, because the information front is definitely not limited to tv channels, and we should talk about the media in general, maybe we should... talk first of all about the most influential, well, in principle , it is clear, they are, both on the internet and on television, and in the radio, by the way, the radio is also a very powerful tool. eh, i think that in this context it would be possible to review the situation, well, either continue the marathon in the form it is, or expand it, make it more inclusive, offer three well-known channels, which means enter it, or for everyone to start working separately, well, that's already, you know, that's already a solution. what you do, according to the numbers, what you see in the audience, what people like, what they don't like, what people would like, but it has to be done quickly in my opinion, and why

quickly, because we have bad things on the information front, and ihor solovei spoke about the external part, i will say about the internal part, which means that we have problems with mobilization, i do not agree with mr. andrii, not only because the marathon is watched less, more are watching so, our problems are related to the fact that we have 80%, again, according to the same sociology, where i took figures about 40% about the marathon, so 80% of people use telegram, so the situation in telegram is very simple, and we can create how many any channels, but we have to understand that for every 10, russia will open 100 in the same night, and they have enough money and people, and unfortunately, the nation... our nation does not realize the dangers, everyone is taking advantage, therefore which is convenient, people do not understand how destructive technology is, ah, the same situation

in... tiktok absolutely, and they act together, there it is cross-aid, cross, mr. nikita, we have 30 seconds, 30 seconds in ether, i'm already, i'm already finishing, i'm already finishing, i agree with my colleagues that it's time for very, maybe creative solutions, but it is also possible to be very strict regarding the information policy, and we in our committee are ready to do everything necessary so as not to delay this, but it is necessary. unification of various political forces and various branches of government. thank you, gentlemen, on that optimistic note, and let's end our conversation. nikita poturaev, andriy osachuk and rostislav pavlenko were guests of our program today. friends, during the program we conducted a survey and asked you about whether you hope that with the help of the united states of america, ukraine will stop the offensive enemy? 78% yes, 76% yes, 24%, no - these are

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