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we already have two wonderful guests in our studio: natalka polovynka, a ukrainian actress and singer, and oksana karavanska, a ukrainian fashion designer. i am for them and for our viewers i will say the following, because it is also about fashion, but also about ukraine and about meanings. in short, polish manufacturers have launched a line of clothing and it is already on the shelves in poland. this clothing line is dedicated to the world-famous artist jerzy novoselski, who called himself yuri novoselski, and in fact. he is not only polish, but he is also ukrainian. here you see clothes now, actually, shirts, jackets. in this whole image of his painting, this outfit already advertises him, for example, a well-known polish presenter, to whom i often connected on the airwaves, talking about the ukrainian war, martin meller, he likes it very much, because he likes such checkered shirts, so about this jerzy novoselskyi, here is this host, jerzy novoselskyi. in ukraine, his father is from lemki,

his mother is polish, austrian, he was baptized, it turns out, in roman catholic, in roman catholic. church first, and then greek-catholic, he himself chose orthodoxy, so it is not only polish pride, but also ours, this world-famous artist, maybe one of you heard his name for the first time, remember him well , jerzy or yuriy novoselskyi, read about him, look at his works, and if someone is watching us from poland, some of our refugees, they can also buy something for themselves and the poles, moreover, tell them that this is not only your artist , but in the sense of the actual performance that will be... tomorrow at the lviv opera house, and one of you, who will be the first, will tell us in more detail what kind of performance it is, probably since you have already said the performance, then i will be the first, although everything it didn't start with me this time, actually with natalie and her simply brilliant performance that touched me so

much that i realized that i wanted, i wanted to do something about it further, well, it all started with this performance, which natalya was showing in the garrison church on the night of st. nicholas, and i just i got involved with the fact that i made her costumes, that is, this was my theatrical debut, you could say, and i really wanted a sequel, and the sequel actually arose from the fact that i only know how to make fashion, and i could wanted to be a director, but after all, i'm more of a designer, and i really wanted to for me to be involved in this wonderful event, and let natalya herself tell about it, this is a play that premiered in december, and it was also dedicated to her birthday. and the day of our army, and it was in the evening before st. nicholas, and it was somehow magical, because the goto institute supported us, and we were terribly excited by all the texts, because this is the garden of divine songs of skovoroda, for which we already have one performance, and this the second performance, which suddenly i realized

that there must be such a feast, which would include such a divine meal, which would include very different people, and indeed entered, oksana karavanska entered with costumes, khoreya kozatska entered. the choir from the occupied villages of the zaporizhia region from zaporizhzhia, which is the only one in ukraine engaged in steppe singing, an incredible choir that oksana also fell in love with, and as a result oleksiy zayets, and virtuoso pianist serhiy kudrenetskyi, and of course seven actresses and seven birds from the word and the voice of the theater, and ballerinas were born, who will play the roles of models, it was, it was the premiere, let's go, push, push, mom, and... that's how the premiere conversation was born birds, and when oksana immediately, well , right after the premiere, said: let's take the next step, i want such a show and we'll combine it, i really liked this idea, because you and she came up with the following name: the conversation of birds colon, fashionable or eternally

fashionable, and this will essentially be such a dialogue, so then again oksana, give me the floor, because i’m already a little bit, it’s a fashion show, i just understand that... a fashion show, when models walk and show clothes, and they walk in a straight line , but they don't always walk in a straight line, but the clothes show, but actually here it will be very harmonious, well, in fact , there will be ballerinas used in this performance, why was ballet actually chosen, because they will continue the story of the birds, only natalia's actresses will be talking birds and singing birds, and these will simply work with body language and they will simply support and enhance the whole impression in general, but accordingly... will already be in my costumes, modern, absolutely, and, moreover, that, yes, themes, themes, well, it was very important for me to decide in general that i will show or i will show what i do, for example, there for europe and for new york, that is, is it the current clothes, or will i still take the theme that i

started as a couture embroiderer of the third millennium, and actually, after this quote appeared from fashionable or eternal, i realized that i will make a mix and let the viewer decide for himself whether what i am doing today... can become eternal, or is our embroidery worth forever, i think it is worth , there is definitely an answer to this, which is worth it, but can modern current clothes in 300 years also become eternal, and what will this conversation of birds be about? my question and the challenge of this, from this defile for my performance, is actually, you understand, when birds talk about the eternal, birds tell simple stories, like how everything is in a frying pan, as he says: i love what is on top... then, there is something inside, that is, from above it is nothing, inside is a miracle, this is all his, all his texts, all his poetry, from above, even though they are already complicated enough for us today, but still for his education and for and for an educated person - these are simple texts on the surface, but where

it's more difficult inside, because you can dive into the pan endlessly, because it introduces you to a conversation with itself, and in fact , the main conversation of these birds is about a secret. man, who he is, what he is for, and in today's time, this is the main question for all of us, because the question at stake for the whole world is whether humanity will stay or survive... that is , whether humanity will survive itself, or all- after all , a person will choose a person as a result, and when he chooses him, then god will certainly stop this war, taking into account all our efforts, but primarily spiritual efforts, so for me this performance is such a spiritual effort, and oksana karavanskaya's costumes with their defile enter, as the world enters, the world enters with the intelligent, and with the empty, and with the beautiful, and with the deep, and with the superficial. but all this is carried by a suit, it must contain all this today,

and you as a person choose for from all this , you choose what is that which adds to your knowledge of yourself, and what is that which scatters you into a pile of masks, and you are all your own this is the main topic of the collection that i will present, how many faces do you have, well, here is the answer to this is a question, because after all, in life we ​​constantly play some roles, and now i sit with my back straight, although this is not always the case for me... i usually already play a role, but what is the real me then, and what am i then i remain, do i change along with these roles, or do i remain as i am, that is, who we are, what we are, this is the answer that bothered tom skovoroda for 300 years, and probably bothers all of humanity to this day, and that's why it turned out for us so organically, well, i really hope that it will be very organically, it somehow all came together with these questions and answers, that is, this action and for those who love fashion and for those who love, i will tell you frankly that... for example, i suffered all my life from the fact that, well, let's be honest, fashion is such

a not-so-artistic thing, let's be honest, after all, it's more about business, probably because i graduated from the lviv academy, we were still taught art, and i constantly lack the ability to express myself as an artist, and natalya probably gave me a very cool one now this opportunity, that i can through the clothes that i make, to say what i want to be an artist, that is, i'm talking about meanings, and... by the way, now again this stream is about sustainable fashion, well, that is, about fashion that thinks, so i personally see, for example, my contribution in the fact that i produce such clothes that the hand does not rise to throw away later, there is a lot of handwork, there is a lot of embroidery, and this is precisely the reason why these clothes hang in the closet and a person does not buy another 250 other things that are there in six months they will go second-hand, but in this way it saves space in nature, which it has... one but very cool thing over the years, although it may not be the best way for business.

ms. oksano, ms. natalya, look, now ukraine, it seems to me, is going through, if you can say so about meanings, going through such a very interesting period, well, besides the war, of course, but also a lot of ukrainians are reinventing themselves or finding themselves as ukrainians , the process of identification is going on, today they talked, they looked at a woman, a lady from dnipro, who is 70 years old, she is learning ukrainian now, i speak more, i have been speaking russian all my life for 70 years, i don’t want more not to say a word in russian, because for me it has become ugly and offensive, and with all that, we understand that ukrainian was very often so driven, you know, there are harem pants, vyshyvanka, let it be, two of our relatives in kyiv know how to take it ourselves, i was constantly told that i was ethnic folklore, a village, and non-modern, and here is where to find it, you know, because very often, very often

, they say in nask, maybe i will continue, because this, because this, because this is that , that now, in general , lately it's getting me more and more confused, and now with oksana, it's just completely confusing me, because you understand, i understand that this is also what we are walking on, this vyshyvanka, or these, as you say, this is no folklore. this is an incredibly refined culture, which people actually call folklore somewhere there, something like that, something marginal, something like that, something folk and that, and this is an incredibly refined, profound, very chaste and very noble culture, to which one must have a conscience, such a bent, to be patient and ask her, what will you reveal to us, what else will you reveal to us, not to cut, cut, mix, throw away, but to use again, there are still a few scumbags out there. we are a little bit like that all the 90s put their hands up, we pulled all the shirts, everyone pulled them and even i also put my hand

in, the husband said: my wise husband, my late vasylko, said, she was embroidering this shirt for her husband, who died in the war, you will take it to lviv, dust licks off of her, i took her, took her to my grandmother, but this example, the fact that he stopped me, is a lifelong lesson for me about this respect, and like this issue, it is an ethical one. you understand, the question is ethical, if we treat ourselves with respect, this is our tradition, because this is not folk, it is tradition, it is the transfer of knowledge, will give a hundredfold. oksana, when i started, what should i do? oksana doesn't like it, when she started this performance, she didn't impose words, she just listened, listened to the pan, listened to us, and offered, we came and said: look, this is the most radical solution, we said, this is why that it is a radical solution, a modern solution, that reveals this virtue of this tradition, this is a very

difficult combination, it is absolutely, look, this evening is definitely not about modernizing the frying pan, definitely not about... deepening the suit karavanskyi, it really is such a direct dialogue that will be carried out in front of the whole audience, a direct dialogue and such an ancient competition, and so eternal is fashionable, uh, it can become fashionable, if can it become fashionable forever on the contrary yes, can it become eternally fashionable today , when we so want to grab everything superficial and throw it away, grab it, or it can't be. for the old, in this case, it is also obsolete, eternal, it is always new, it is just a question of whether we, whether we can see this new all the time, look, there was an example, at the beginning of his term of office, president zelensky, then it was fashionable to say that what a difference and so on, he went out in an embroidered dress, which was actually a russian braid, well , approximately the same, but with ukrainian embroidery, well

, such things happen on the borders of ukraine, but, but it seems to me that as a metaphor, conditionally i say like this, well, like, okay, we were russian-speaking, we sang in russian, now we have a new conjuncture, now we have a new request from the audience, okay, we will take the same thing there, sing it in ukrainian in the same melody, in the same melos, there is some kind of hookah rap somewhere from orenburg, you understand what i'm talking about, how should it be here, you said the key word is to treat tradition with respect, should there be that respect, respect should be, your future, it is not what it should be, it is decisive. i will tell you more, so briefly. oksana's costume was worn by me in china. can you imagine such a cultural trip to china for a theater day. neither the chinese nor anyone who organized it knew that ukraine would be there. because i went with a polish performance from the grutovsky institute. and they, it was their idea and mine

decision. there should be a ukrainian voice on the international theater day, which i am celebrating. unesco should have a ukrainian voice in china this year. oksana said: yes, that's all, you take this shirt. and you know, because of this, because of this voice, because of this cry that sounded there, it was a wedding cry, everyone came to me, and that representative of unesco, and the head of iti, the theater institute, asked what kind of song it was, where it came from , and what kind of clothes are you wearing, i said, they are all ukraine. it was a short message, but i think you know, it's one. but such a retort at times solves more than a bunch of diplomatic negotiations and a bunch of weapons. ms. oksano, ms. natalya said that she was in china and spoke with her voice and a ukrainian song and ukrainian clothes to these people, you say that you make collections abroad,

fashion can be outside of politics, how? do you communicate with your colleagues from abroad, are there still those who cooperate with russia, with russian barriers, unfortunately, there are many of them, because the russian market is simply gigantic, you understand, and well, not everyone is ready to take risks and lose such a huge audience in fact, well, i just don’t communicate with them anymore, those who work in russia, but look at fashion, it is fundamentally outside of politics, and it even, as it were, blurs the boundaries of statehood as such . it is cosmopolitan, very cosmopolitan, and probably that is its whole meaning, that when i sell my clothes on which it is written made in ukraine and made in europe, then people understand that ukraine is clearly not sharovarschyna, that it is high-class, high-quality and incredibly interesting clothes that interesting not because it is made there in ukraine, but because it is simply cool, and that it is produced in ukraine and that there are such

designers who can make such universally cool clothes in ukraine, and this is probably the most important thing. the words that i can personally say, that is, unfortunately, i cannot engage in politics, but this is what i can say, that ukraine is an absolutely full-fledged, high-quality and worthy part of europe, and russians who are abroad, who have very often have significantly greater fortunes than ukrainians, come to you to buy yours, look, i don't really know what's really going on there, uh, but i think not, well, that's what i think, that is, i just don't keep track of who buys, well, it's actually impossible. come on, i don’t know, i don’t have an answer to this question, but i think that when they see a label made in ukraine, they probably modestly put it in place and walk away, and are afraid that something will tear them apart from the inside quietly but that i messed something up there, maybe so, you know, here is novoselsk, you said about novoselsk, here for me this is a lesson of a lifetime, because when i took up the ancient spiritual half, everyone

told me that only monks should do it, only in monasteries, and no way, imagine how radical it was, when now i feel something similar of such radicality, which gives such a spiritual, fresh breath, and then, too, it was like a spiritual semi, i came to kochenskyi, i said we will sing it in the theater, no, he was against it. were against and at the same time the spiritual half gave life to the kurbas theater, gave life to me for the rest of my life, i still going on and it just charges everything i do because it's a breath of fresh air that 's always there and you can never really find one consistent form, but there's a canon inside and i think, well it is to combine, like this, that there is that eternal canon, which must be unchanging and the matrix, and at the same time the eternally changing form, place, and so on. and for me , novoselsky gives all the answers all the time, because it is his, as we look at it, it is a completely modern icon, and from it the spirit breathes on you, because there inside

this canon shines through, just like the music of pärt or silvestrov, you hear music nowadays, and it touches you from there, it touches us so at the performance now it will be, it will be, that is, there will be fashion, people will come to see fashion, you said fashion show, and we their. let's dig in very, very deeply, tell me the details, it will be tomorrow, yes, at the lviv opera house, so that we will be at 19:15 at 19:15 and how should we prepare to receive this fashion show? er, i think it should be a kind of surprise for people, even, yes, because those who go to the fashion show, for them it will be a huge surprise, and those who go to natalya polovynka to her performance, they will also understand that suddenly something is completely different here, and absolutely. modern, but at the same time it is spiritual enough, that is, this is the symposia of arts that we have now molded into a pile as if, well, the word ugly has been molded, but it actually exists somewhere, but it will sound

like one whole piece, and it is for everyone, who comes expecting something of his own, will add a big plus, it will happen on the stage, it will be in the hall of mirrors, it will be in the hall of mirrors, but we start in the lobby, natalya, don't light up, the champagne starts in the lobby, i'll warn you right away, and we won't say anything further, in one of them there's a person who bought a ticket and i thought she went to the show and to the fashion show. but that 's actually the whole idea, to attract some people to part of my art and, on the contrary , to attract parts of people who like my art to natalia's spirituality. eh, probably somewhere just like these polish polish manufacturers who decided to transfer novoselskyi's paintings to them , you can enlighten people with anything, maybe later i will go, because of course the clothes will benefit a lot from. but will these people leave from the presence, but will these people go to these temples and look at him and want to pray, but they will at least know his name, they will no longer be so

ignorant, this is already a big step, definitely, therefore, dear friends, tomorrow at the lviv opera there will be a fashion show, the conversation of the birds, natalka polovynka, ukrainian actress, singer, oksana karavanska, ukrainian fashion designer, who will create this event, come and see, thank you to all the spectators who were with us today. this studio for you, tomorrow we will return to this studio at 7:10, you stay with espresso, continue to donate, for this morning you and i collected uah 40,000, but i hope that this is not the end, and we actually have less than, less 60,000 remains for us to have a million. with that, i say bye-bye and have a good day. tired of heavy and bulky saws, then the strong saw from razpak tv is just for

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