impossible by definition, because demobilization is the transfer of the entire country to a peaceful state. while the war is going on, this is impossible. we must probably talk about additional conditions for completing military service, or additional conditions for rotation, rest, and so on. and in other words, about additional conditions of motivation, this is what the opposition talked about a lot, what we were promised during the work of the specialized committee, which is true, i also confirm. colleague paturaev says, the committee worked day and night, without exaggeration, somewhere around 10-12 hours, there were meetings, but there were moments about a week or two before the vote, when the committee was promised a very broad package on additional motivation, and i believe that it was, and this is critically important, because the times have already passed when people went and wanted to join the army purely guided by some patriotic feelings, a clear formula is needed for what, how, why, the army...

soldiers receive, what kind of service, what additional benefits, what additional payments and so on, unfortunately, this did not happen to a sufficient extent, it must also be recognized, that the law has been voted contains certain additional points on motivation, such as vacations, payments during treatment, well, there are a number of things, they are important, they are very important, they should be supported, but there is critically little of it, and i think we will continue to ... we need additional tools to motivate the military, because without it we will not continue the war, and the last thing, if you allow me to finish my whole discussion about the legal nature of this process, at least 20% of the package voted by the verkhovna rada has the right and could would approve the supreme the commander-in-chief and the cabinet of ministers, and the rate, in accordance with the current legislation, but it so happened that absolutely for political reasons from here. last year, when they

tried to remove zaluzhny, this issue was transferred to a purely political plane and was dumped on the verkhovna rada, and i, for example, was very uncomfortable in the situation when the specialized committee actually rewrote the law, and here i agree with the fact that many deputies' initiatives, they were integrated into the final texts, but the deputies were effectively deprived of the right to influence the final editorial office, we were all faced with the fact, but the point is that... in fact, for political reasons, the military-political leadership shied away from making such not very possible pleasant decisions, and they blamed it all on the verkhovna rada, while the verkhovna rada was working, sorry, absolutely in normal parliamentary mode. the last thesis about procrastination, i think procrastination should be asked only of the president of ukraine, who had a draft law on his desk for 10 months, which the verkhovna rada voted on in may 2023, on lowering the conscription age from 20. we

up to 25 years, so of course it was a difficult decision, so it may be politically toxic, but the verkhovna rada voted on it last may, why did the president sign it only about three weeks ago, this is a delay, we lost at least a year, probably more , a year and a half in order for us to equip the armed forces of ukraine with better quality, this has already happened, well, there are more questions than answers here, i do not know, mr. mykyta, whether you will... i will very briefly comment on what mr. andriy said , i am willing to subscribe to almost every one of his in a word, and i will discuss a little only with his last thesis, that means we, well, all three of us who are present here, it doesn’t even matter who is there, what level is there, who has admission, well , we know these numbers, they are already walking around in principle according to the media, how many people in the country are not registered. and these are people just not, well not

all of them, let’s say, 25 years old, just, just the opposite, and the collision with this law about 25 was that the president quite naturally, like any of us colleagues, did not really want , that is, to lower the bar, that is, to lower the bar i am calling, hoping that there will be a law on mobilization, and the law, mr. andriy, again, i do not agree with you a little, the law is necessary, because, as you know, we have very, well, unfortunately, because of certain traditions there , on which we will not dwell for a long time now, well , mostly we try to regulate everything by laws, so i do not agree with you that it was possible to regulate everything by the orders of the supreme, or that is, by the orders of the glavkom, or there by the orders of the ministry of defense, so our, well the rule-making tradition is that we regulate everything that we can legally, and yes, and so. this state

system is built, you know, it dances, dances, so to speak, from the laws, so when the president signed this law right now in 25 years, it is clear why, because... what are you from one on the right side there, perhaps not all the motivational tools that we would like, and we would like, as well as you, are in the law, but we all know the law, it is much softer than the military wanted, well let's not hide it, yes, they wanted much more such harsh tools, and with those tools that are in the law, in order for the armed forces to receive support. which, which they really need, then this package really happened, yes, that is, an addition, that is, to the law, which is called the law on mobilization, although you, mr. andriy, are absolutely right, he, well, that is, he has been acting there since 93- th year, the law about 25, and i forgot the number, so

another law, there, which there regulates other there, the necessary points are related to those who were limited fit and so on, well we we know what it's about. because the whole country already knows what it is about, that is, i count three there, maybe i'm wrong, maybe there are even more in this package, but it's all connected, we have to understand it, and it's connected to the main task , which began to be put in front of everyone, in front of everyone from the president to each of us, the military, the task, the task is simple: the army must be replenished precisely so that normal rotations begin in the army, normal there... manning, reformation and so on, everything that mr. andrii said was absolutely correct, i won’t even repeat it, i’m saying, i’m at 90-8%, we’re reducing it to 100%, thank you so much, mr. mykyta, there are a lot of questions, in fact, in this package, which i signed on the eve of the law on

amendments to the law on the mobilization of the president of ukraine, well, in particular , there are a lot of questions about the limitations of suitable, when there will be only suitable and unsuitable. is about the limited fit, because it is absolutely obvious that they will become fit, and here the question is how, for example, a person there for 50 years was unfit, or limited fit, and suddenly she will fall into the category of suitable, well, this is also a big question, among other things, it is up to the parliament and the president, but obviously this is the topic of a separate discussion, let's talk about an important topic of information. politicians, how to resist actual propaganda in the russian federation, because considering information as the center of information security , ukraine's state policy needs to be reformatted, and this was specifically stated by the head of the center for strategic communications and

information security, ihor solovei, in an interview with ukrinform. let's listen to what the nightingale said. we here we have to play the main violin, because we... have to offer it to the world, offer platforms, offer ideas, offer mechanisms and tools, how to solve it, because, well, we have been fighting since the 14th year, we already have a certain baggage, we have certain tools, we have certain experience, we have to share this experience and we have to show how we did it and how it worked, what didn't work, uniting around like-minded people, in order for it to be informative. .. the weapon that the kremlin uses against the world, it was like minimum leveled. against the background of what solovei is saying, a petition appeared, and it gathered 25 thousand signatures to the effect that there is no need for the money that is used for

the telethon of the united news and the tv channel, there is no need for this money to go there, to give state funds, to give them to ... financing the purchase of drones and pickups for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, which was answered by the prime minister of ukraine, denys shmyhal. since the provision of information security is part of the state policy in the field of national security and defense, and implementation unified information policy is a priority issue of national security, the financing of relevant measures is an important component of countering the military aggression of the russian federation against ukraine, in particular in the information space. accordingly, the distribution of the expenses specified in the petition by directing them to the needs of other components of the security and defense sector is not appropriate. mr. rostyslav, how would you rate the information policy and strategy, the information strategy

during the war, the state information strategy, how well we cope with it, how much we do not cope with it, how appropriate it is to hold a single telethon, or still give the opportunity. each tv channel to do what it did before the war, but not at the expense of the state budget. look, since our prime minister actually puts... the activity of the marathon in the same row, and calls it part of the work to protect the ukrainian state, calls it part of the security sector and practically compares it with the provision of the armed forces of ukraine, then it should probably be to evaluate the effectiveness of the actions of this sector of security, because i think that no one has any questions about the effectiveness of the armed forces of ukraine, and thanks to their combat work, we can exchange opinions on the air and with... in relatively comfortable conditions, as for a war of such intensity, at that time, as for

the marathon, we see more and more questions regarding the performance of information functions within the country, by the way, i have to say that one of the obvious functions of the marathon was clarification and information support on the issue of mobilization, the issue of conscription, and obviously once we that much already question, so much attention was paid to the question of evaluating this, how many spears were from... mino obviously did not cope with this marathon, the question of removing the various negative effects of russian propaganda in ukrainian society, we see how the waves are rising, sometimes in social networks, then in various rumors nonsense that russia throws into the ukrainian information space, and we do not see much effectiveness from the marathon in terms of overcoming them, and in the end, if we already say what the expert said in the briefing, regarding our... work outside, then we would expect from a single information policy of effective work there,

which, unfortunately, we also do not see, and actually the experts are also talking about it, so i think that it is long past time for tv channels to work, competing in a good sense, within the framework that everyone has long understood, clearly the law of ukraine , absolutely in accordance with the constitution, sets restrictions on the dissemination of information, during martial law, it is impossible to show the combat work of the defense forces, it is impossible to show the movement... location and so on, an absolutely logical restriction, there are obviously guidelines for a unified information politicians, this is countering russian fakes, again, this is the spread of the ukrainian position, this is an absolutely normal framework that all ukrainian channels keep, just so that there is efficiency, it is high time that they do it, do it not at the expense of taxpayers , attracting other funds and opportunities for this, and by the way... if we talk about equal conditions, then it is high time to return both espresso and direct and fifth to digital

broadcasting in order to show that there really is freedom of speech in ukraine , and this, by the way, will become another thesis and another argument in the conversation with our partners in order to show that ukraine as a democracy is waging a war against tyranny, and the last point i would like to say here, since our government puts everything in one line and says that it is. .. information security, which is allegedly provided by the marathon, is, as was said, other sectors of the security issue, well then, let's talk about the effective use of all resources, about the removal of completely illegal and illogical restrictions on the working trips of deputies and people's deputies, and deputies of other levels abroad to work there, to clarify the ukrainian position, because we see that, unfortunately, those bodies and systems that are responsible for this... are not coping, there are very big questions about efficiency, and obviously, here we just have to

do work on mistakes and include what ukrainian society and ukrainian activists have always been stronger in, in creativity, in flexibility, in the ability to find such answers in critical situations for which the rashists simply will not be ready. thank you, mr. andriy, how do you assess the current information policy and how much it is looks strong and to what extent we can oppose russia, because this is a serious enough issue not only inside ukraine, but also in the whole world, because before we had enough, long enough ago, the foreign language ukrainian, and it did its job, now there is no such language, we have channels that are directed to the inside of the state, to the outside, russia simply outplays us, in my opinion, simply. well , you know, do we have an information policy, if you look soberly at what is happening, well, let's use a simple

example, we are the first part of our conversation spent on discussing changes to the process of mobilization, completion of service. please tell me why, three days before the vote and two days after the vote, the discussion and details of the draft law were discussed in telegram channels. why did no one come to the press conference, the minister of defense, the commander. i don't know, chief of the general staff, they had to go out and explain everything to the people on their fingers, they had to gather two dozen journalists, all channels and all media, and explain it all to them so that they relay it. this is a one voice policy on a fundamental issue, which agitated the whole country, this did not happen out of words at all, telegram channels, including anonymous ones, dispersed the most diverse theses, which created complete chaos, final chaos in the minds of ukrainians. here is a simple example of how we solve

informational issues in general in times of information war. in order to have an information policy. it must first be created, it must be implemented by someone, we have not had a minister of culture and information policy for 260 days, and it is not that he should be good or bad, but simply, if the team does not have a football coach, there is no one at all, no matter what players are there, they will not win, because there is a certain algorithm, so to speak, of the organization of the operational process between the coach and the players, and likewise in the media space between the ministry, which must implement state policy and all players, we simply don't have it, so if all this is not there, what kind of policy can we talk about? there are some people in the president's office who have taken over a huge pile of powers, there are film companies that book from the draft military service, because it turns out to be a strategic enterprise,

hundreds of millions of hryvnias are poured into them, as a result, the same telethon, it has not performed its functions for a long time. information space, i absolutely understand and am well aware that according to the constitution, during martial law , human rights can be restricted, including freedom of speech, but this must be done in order to protect the country from fakes and hostile propaganda, now we found ourselves in a 180° situation when it comes to the marathon money is pouring in, his reputation is close to zero, and people massively, massively draw and... information from anonymous telegram channels, this is a fact, this is not my fantasy, accordingly, if we want to at least somehow prevent russian influence, we need something, sorry, to change in the conservatory, and it was necessary to do it six months ago, i think that the easiest option is to give freedom of operation to all tv channels in order for them to compete with

their media product, i do not think that there will be any crazy people who will want to repeat. the scheme of the channels there medvedchuk in the past or someone else, despite the fact that the interchannel is still alive and well and is a participant in the marathon, and for me it is strange to say the least, but less so if all the channels will be engaged in propaganda of the ukrainian victory, the ukrainian war , ukrainian, ukrainian heroes, it will probably be more beneficial than the artificial consolidation of the entire stream in one point, which is actually where... only the opposite result. the sooner this realization comes, the better. i understand that it is very difficult for colleague poturaev is to comment, because he is a member of the team in one way or another, but he understands everything very well, how it works. therefore, i have great hope, both in his committee and in the freedom of speech committee of the verkhovna rada, which has been headed by my party neighbor for several months, and i

hope that it too should show a more active, i would say even tough position defending the interest not even of the parliament, not even the issue of covering the work of the parliament, which is still artificially restrained, the issue of the highest quality information policy as a key component in general in war thank you, mr. andriy, nikita paturaev is definitely the person who knows a lot about the information policy of the country, and for a long time, because he has been working in the media for a long time and was, if i am not mistaken, the first deputy chairman. you worked in the national council for television and radio broadcasting of startelight media and, well, in principle, you are the person who created the media, regulated the media, influenced these media, but andriy osadchuk had a question about whether there is an information policy now, because the parliamentary committee that you head , he is on humanitarian and information issues

there is no policy, minister of culture and information policy, but is there an information policy in addition to the name in yours? let's go, information policy, of course, that's what it is , so let's go, colleagues, well, it seems to me that none of the three of us watches the marathon, maybe even four, maybe mr. serhii only the only thing that i don't know is due to work responsibilities , so, but, well, let's work with numbers, even by the most pessimistic estimates. in the latest sociological studies, the marathon is trusted, trusted, watched because it is more in fact, at least 40% of citizens trust, it's not zero, yes, that is, it's... it 's still a powerful tool, so how does it happen, we, in fact, recently with mykola knyazhytskyi, we recalled our very long

experience when we were both members the national council on maternity television was in the united states a month after the terrorist attack on september 11, so how did it work there, well, the nation was in shock, because the territory of the united states was attacked for the first time since pergar. that is, in the 41st year, thousands of people, we know, more than 300 americans died very quickly, and a very hard death, uh, so, well, it's such a, you know, i 'm sorry, irritation, and the leading media decided that they had to take the initiative themselves, and in fact, in all the leading american media, they were determined, they themselves determined a person who... would be responsible for participating in such an absolutely informal body that would coordinate the national information policy, it was not created

by the orders of the white house, it was not created by the decision of the us congress, it was created by itself, it was classic, so , example self-regulation, self-management, and that's how it worked, in fact, certain elements of such a system also developed completely independently in the ukrainian information space. i believe that they should be constituted, because, let's say, in america for a certain time it worked very rhythmically, they gathered, and at this level, you can imagine the vice presidents of such giants as abc, cbs, so , other corporations there, corporations of colossal american media corporations, they met at least once a week, they were closed meetings, they met: with representatives of the white house, the pentagon, the state department, well, with whomever it was necessary, and together they worked out narratives that had to be conveyed to the american nation. i believe that

we should think about something like this, because the information front is definitely not limited to tv channels, er, and we have to talk about the media, in general, maybe we should talk first of all about the most influential, well, in principle it is clear, that which, yes, means on the internet. and on television and radio, to things, radio is also a very powerful tool, and i think that in this context it would be possible to review the situation, well, either continue the marathon in the form in which it is, or expand it, make it more inclusive, offer three well-known channels , means to enter it, or for everyone to start working separately, well, you already know that, these are the decisions you make, according to the numbers, to what you see in the audience. what people like, what they don't like, what people would like, but it has to be done quickly on mine look, why fast? because we have bad things on the information front, and ihor

solovei spoke about the external part, i will say about the internal part, which means that we have problems with mobilization, i do not agree with mr. andriy, not only because the marathon is watched less, but watched more, so, our problems are related to the fact that we have 80%, again according to the same... sociology, where i took figures about 40%, about the marathon, so 80% of people use telegram, so the situation in telegram very simple, and we can create as many channels as we want, but we we have to understand that for every 10, russia will open 100 on the same night, and they have enough money and people, and unfortunately, the nation does not realize, our nation, does not realize the dangers, all... because it is convenient, people do not understand how much it is a destruction of technology, the same situation in tiktok, absolutely, and they act together, there is cross assistance,

cross, we have 30 seconds, 30 seconds on the air, i'm already, i'm already finishing, i'm already finishing, i i agree with my colleagues that it is time for very, perhaps creative, but also perhaps very tough decisions. politicians came, and we in our committee are ready to do everything necessary so as not to delay this, but we really need the unification of various political forces and various branches of government. thank you, gentlemen, on that optimistic note, and let's end our conversation. nikita poturaev, andriy osadchuk and rostislav pavlenko were guests of our program today. friends, during the program we conducted a survey and asked you about whether you hope that with the help of the united states of america ukraine will stop the enemy's offensive, 70. 8% yes, 76% yes, 24% no, it tv poll results, 77 vs 23% on youtube, it was the verdict program. says

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