warm + 20 +25 in places even 24-27°, but we will, of course, carefully monitor the behavior of the rains and their localization together and follow our updated weather forecasts on the espresso channel. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. sevastopol in the dark. over a hundred ukrainian drones attacked the occupiers in crimea and novorossiysk at night. how large-scale strikes can the defense forces surprise invaders in the future? dangerous limitations. lack of anti-aircraft defense and a ban on striking with western weapons on the territory of russia helped the russian offensive in the north. is putin really abandoning plans to capture kharkiv? deoccupation.

historical and cultural monuments. in kyiv , the scandalous chapel of the uoc mp was dismantled near the foundations of the ancient russian tithe church, when the complete dismantling of the russian church in ukraine will take place. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. during for the next two hours we are talking about ukraine, the world, the war and our victory. let's talk today about putin's visit to beijing, its talks with xi jinping, how the americans warn or do not warn the ukrainians about the strikes of american weapons on the territory of the russian federation, and how more than 100 drones tonight attacked the territory of the russian federation and the temporarily occupied crimea.

over the course of the next hour we will talk with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine valentin nalevaichenko, major of the national reserve guard, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war oleksiy hetman and executive director of the institute of world politics yevhen magda. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch how ukrainian soldiers destroy the russian occupiers for help. in the pokrovsky direction was made public in the 47th separate mechanized brigade, let's see how it was.

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mp threatens the national security of ukraine 08021381 no 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end program, we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our first guest, valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on ukraine's integration with the eu. head of the security service of ukraine in 2006-10, 2014-15, mr. valentin, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, mr. valentin, let's start our conversation with the statements of the american side regarding the possibility the use of american weapons in strikes on the territory of the russian federation, the pentagon has confirmed its position regarding restrictions on the use of ukrainian weapons provided by the united states of america as part of the military. aid

, spokeswoman for the us department of defense, sabrina singh, announced this at a briefing. let's hear what she said. we haven't changed. to our position, we believe that the equipment, the capabilities that we provide to ukraine and that are provided by other countries, should be used in order to return ukrainian sovereign territory. we asked for this publicly, we would like to emphasize that weapons provided within the framework of the contact group on defense of ukraine are intended for use on the battlefield. in his conversations with minister umerov, the state secretary also spoke about the fact that these opportunities can best be used. on ukrainian territory. mr. valentin, is it possible to return the sovereign territory of ukraine without hitting the territory of the russian federation? the response to this is given by the armed forces of ukraine almost every night and every day, attacking and destroying, and rightly so,

enemy objects on enemy territory, and you are objects that directly relate to russian aggression against us, directly support them, or are military objects. moreover, these are no secrets, we are talking with our american partners, and i, as a member of parliament, here is the delegation of mr. blinkin, the authorities of the state sector in kyiv, i met with this delegation, today the remaining people, i am also with them worked with this delegation, we further explain to them that it is extremely important for us to obtain and destroy the carriers of russian terrorist missiles, such as tu-95, mih-31 and so on further, the enemy also... hides them on its territory at a great distance from the armed forces of ukraine, but this is exactly the type of missile terrorism that poses the greatest threat and takes the lives of peaceful ukrainian civilians, by the way, for some reason no one knows about them says, and we say and

convince our american partners, that we need long-range weapons not just as, but as a means of destroying terrorist planes, terrorist missiles, shaheds, and so on. but at those airfields of the base from where they take off and from where the same one begins missile terrorism, so this is the first argument, secondly, i can professionally explain to our tv viewers why the american side does not yet give permission for especially the latest types of weapons, such as atakams and others, to be used outside the borders of ukraine, and because these missiles and their guidance depends. from the american a-technique of b-specialists. in our opinion , this is the third argument. as a result of the us secretary of state blinken's visit, we have agreed and are creating a fund for an additional 2 billion dollars. and investments will be made from this fund

and support ukrainian developments and ukrainian production, precisely for long-range weapons. there was not enough american investment. now in the near future, as soon as they leave, i think. that our own production, our own missiles, this is the first thing that the armed forces will start with, and their distance, we sincerely want our missiles up to a range of 700 km to be at the disposal of our armed forces as soon as possible, this is such an important step, well and the latest f-16 fighters are universal, they will appear in the near future the ukrainian sky, and that is if it is not destroyed. washing away the enemy will allow, at least in the sky, the ukrainian sky to more effectively repel terrorist attacks with missiles, rockets and even aerial guided bombs, from which ukrainian kharkiv is currently suffering the most. president zelenskyy does not agree with ukraine's ban on using western weapons

to attack russia, president zelenskyy said during a meeting with journalists, quoting the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine. i don't think there should be any bans, because this is not about the offensive of the ukrainian army with the use of western weapons on the territory of russia, this is protection, this is the same as preventive sanctions, which we all talked about before a full-scale invasion, this is the same, this is a warning - zelenskyy said. mr. valentin, what are the americans afraid of in the situation if their weapons are used on the territory of russia, that is, they are afraid that there will be a nuclear response. strike on the territory of the united states of america? no, the answers i heard and hear from high-ranking american officials, experts, military and even journalists, the decision of the administration of the white house of the united states, the administration of president biden is such that

it is not allowed to be involved in the war against ukraine, which is being led by russia, to be involved in additional. forces and remove those restrictions that the russian aggressor can use to his advantage, well, more specifically, the supply and use of long-range missiles on russian territory, unequivocally america. the administration believes it will give russia the opportunity to ask, and most importantly, to receive more long-range missiles, whether from china, whether from iran, or from that north korea, from where they already received them, by the way, this is actually the approach of the american administration, but i emphasize again that we know how to gradually lift this ban, and it is removed by the steps that i have already announced: the creation of a fund for financing the ukrainian defense industry, our long-range weapons systems in ukraine, our own and their use.

but mr. valentin, the americans already have much more opportunities to help ukraine and provide more military aid. doesn't it look like the united states of america is belatedly giving ukraine exactly as much as it needs so that ukraine does not lose, but also wins. i do not share these sentiments, the only thing i do admit is that it was the delay in approving the defense package in the us congress that created the gaps from which our defense, our armed forces really suffer, that is, the shortage was certain, and it is possible individual types of weapons, but artillery shells are gone, and there are more of them for the armed forces, and this will continue, by the way, to spread and... and to accelerate, then missiles for the hymers of these systems of serious volley fire, which

are called, by the way, the finger of god, this means that if the hymers have already got there, then there is no enemy left there. missiles for hymers are now also supplied by the american side, and with a range of 80 km, and we , experts, are all convinced that precisely such hymers with such missiles are now urgently needed in the kharkiv direction in order to eliminate even those 5-6 km. that the enemy across the russian-ukrainian border has entered the gray zone, i think that this is temporary, as soon as our armed forces will receive such systems for heimers, such missiles, those groups that entered even the kharkiv region will be destroyed, and the third attack, i already mentioned, is ballistic army missiles from the united states of america, and i will also mention that within the framework of of the same approved package, there will be an additional... to the patriot system, maybe not one, but definitely with the american partners , we say that okay, one + one + 2 + 3,

but it should be a constant addition and a constant supply of what produces, by the way, the only manufacturer, it is in the united states of america, it is the patriot air defense system, kharkiv must be defended now, and this is the absolutely correct position of the bet and the supreme commander, and the american partners understand it, further from lviv to odesa. it is not just a necessity, an extreme necessity for us to get additional air defense systems as soon as possible. christopher cavoli, the supreme commander of nato's combined forces in europe, says that since the start of the full-scale invasion, the russians have improved logistics, but the quality of their troops has deteriorated, so today they are not able to make a large-scale breakthrough, and we will actually listen. what christopher cavoli himself said.

the russians do not have the necessary number of people for a strategic breakthrough. we do not believe in this. moreover, they lack the skills and capabilities to do so, to operate on the scale necessary to exploit any breach to strategic advantage. mr. valentine, do you agree with this opinion? yes, our nato partners, general, general cavoli knows what he is talking about says, the only thing that together with the nato partners, this is already in addition to what i talked about with regard to the american partners, with the nato partners, we are working to ensure that the first, after all, joint training, training of our military, especially those who are again being mobilized and trained for the armed forces of ukraine, and on the territory of ukraine. it is, firstly, faster, secondly, cheaper and thirdly, more effective for us, for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. and

secondly, we are seriously working to ensure that everything after all, joint patrols of the ukrainian sky have begun, at least in ukraine on the western border of ukraine, joint, joint possible protection of energy and civil facilities along the western border of ukraine. from this we believe and insist that joint efforts can and should be started. ukraine-nato is not exclusively in the form of conferences or meetings or conversations, already in specific joint combat operations, joint anti-aircraft turnover, and in... the adjacent territories of ukraine, and yet everything that concerns the ukrainian sky, as we understand, i mean ukraine and myself included, then everything will start precisely with the first use of f-16, the first two or three squadrons and their strengthening with possible equipment, possible radars and not only

nato member countries, our partners. and do you know, mr. valentin, when the first f-16 planes will appear in... the sky of ukraine, it is known, but not for the enemy, so we do not announce it on the air, but i can tell you that the ukrainians will hear and see, and then it is already clear that no one will hide this date. the new york times writes that ukraine has reportedly asked its nato partners to help train 150,000 new recruits closer to the front lines for faster deployment. the united states of america replied: "no, but the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff believes that the deployment of nato instructors seems inevitable, has there been a conversation with the americans who were with blinkin in kyiv about the need to deploy these instructors from nato, and how americans in live conversation, what do they say? first, nato member countries,

great britain, poland, lithuania, and others, all the way to spain and previously taught. the ukrainian military, especially air defense, continue their training, by the way, the pilots and romania should not be forgotten, and yes, among these nato member countries that i have named, there are already those countries that have decided and agreed that they can send their instructors, they call trainers, but military instructors for the training of special units, well, they mean special purpose sappers, air defense, special operations forces. that is , such specialties are for the nato military and in nato teachers and trainers have a bigger, higher phage, our armed forces need, and we want exactly such instructors, the general staff of ukraine wants in our territory in our training centers for our defenders, i confirm that the answer is yes, from nato partners. the united

states of america, by the way, you mentioned, is actually for the united states of america. and ukraine did not formulate such a request, we understand very well how far the united states of america is, and even its military bases, those in europe, there staff is limited, so we work directly with those nato member countries, such as great britain and others, who have enough instructors and personnel to train our defenders on the territory of ukraine. mr. valentin, obviously, the future development of events on the russian-ukrainian front also depends on. today's meeting of the two leaders of china and the russian federation, putin came to xi jinping, putin's two-day visit to beijing is coming to an end, according to the statements that have already been made and the rhetoric that both putin and xijin have voiced pin, what does this mean, china will continue to trade some preferences in the west in

exchange for the fact that beijing will influence moscow's policy, that is... how do you assess this visit and the prospects of china joining the civilized part of the world? well , let's say in reality that what happened is not that russian propaganda is rebroadcasting or lying, but that in fact, russian propaganda received an entry from china, as is the russian leader, because you remember, you are a professional journalist, sergey, let's also remind the tv viewers, as it seems, one of putin's advisers even before his... to china, already stated that no, china will not go to any peace conference, we rule here, they almost don't rule china, we came with what and received mardas, because china said that we we will decide ourselves, including regarding participation in a peace conference in switzerland based on the ukrainian peace formula. second, xi jinping, the leader of china, has officially come out and

confirmed that china adheres and will adhere to and call for other principles of the un and the charter. by the organization of the united nations, on the territorial integrity and sovereignty of un member states. i mean and think, first of all, like each of us about ukraine, and we are the founder of the un, which is precisely what we demand in the ukrainian formula for peace, the complete withdrawal and restoration of our borders, the withdrawal, meaning the aggressor's troops, like many others things that remained behind closed doors, but i think russian propaganda and putin himself is happy that it is good that it is at least behind closed doors. so if everyone could see what china actually responded to and how it really did leader xi's attitude towards putin, i think that the collapse would be complete, but there is a very important circumstance: that indeed for putin, china remains the only window of hope, opportunities, as well as trade, and indeed the kremlin regime is taking

unprecedented steps, regarding the economy, return of land, energy resources for almost nothing to china, for the sake of at least some kind of support, for the sake of at least some image that russia has not become an outcast, in my opinion and my conclusion, russia is becoming an international outcast, not even any support, precisely the support of china, the russian the leader did not get, and this is actually, i think, a very serious change, god willing, just that these changes that have started now in beijing, in china, that they will still be implemented in june in switzerland, and then the international community together with a global country, china, after all. fully in support of ukraine and condemnation of russian aggression. thank you, mr. valentin, for the conversation. it was valentyn nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine,

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hetman, military analyst, reserve major of the national guard of ukraine, veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. mr. major, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you. major, let's start ours a conversation about the situation in kharkiv oblast, the defense forces. to stabilize the situation with the advance of russian troops in the north of the kharkiv region, and the enemy was able to advance no more than 10 km deep into ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyy said this during today's press conference, in addition, he says that the russians in the kharkiv region were able to reach only to the first of the three lines of defense, i will quote mr. zelenskyi. the first line is not a border, it is impossible to build there, because of the appropriate weapons used by the russians. our people were dying, they that's where they are now, this is the first line that was built during the war under constant fire, our military, the first and second lines

are built by the military, the third line is built by the local authorities, it is the most powerful not because it is better than the military, but simply because that it is further from weapons, from shells, from shelling. mr. major, how do you assess the current situation in kharkiv oblast, to what extent has the enemy... accomplished, done what he wanted to do, and did he succeed in doing it? well, you know, the point is because when we look at the map, there is the deep state, when we analyze the statements of, for example, the president, by the way, he said quite the right things, you can support him here, i 'm sure he had advisers who were aware of the situation, and what he told is in accordance with the military standard, the first, second line, third line is the most powerful and so on, that is, here and... here was a normal statement, it's good, it's good that you conducted it, regarding eh, well and then begins the military, as they say, nuances that,

looking at the map, are many kilometers wide whether it is deep or not much, and this is something people are not told about, and there are strange analyses, sometimes you hear, let's say, these two areas that they created in kharkiv region, they are two bridgeheads, they are wider and deeper up to 10 km. .. yes, these two pozdarmas, if you measure them lengthwise, they will be approximately 13-15 km each, this is exactly the front along which the brigade is advancing, well, there is a certain section of the front, 3 km there, 3-5 km there is the battalion, well, well and so on, that is, there are certain standards, and they are used militarily not because they like the standards, because that is how they calculated, as the statutes say. written in blood, especially combat statutes, regardless of which army conducts hostilities, the russians have many outdated regulations there, but such actions are written in their combat statutes

and... it is not similar to other combat institutes, because the tactics of waging war infantry in the field, it hasn't changed, almost hasn't changed, the essence has changed since the time of the napoleonic wars, and maybe even earlier, er, the means by which you can hit the enemy, ammuni, that's all that provides people to perform these tasks, and the logic is the same, a certain front line, a certain number of people on this front line must hold the defense, a certain number of people must advance, as it should, as i should , fortifications should be built, they are getting more complicated, before it was usually redoubts, now it is a little more complicated, especially the third line, there should be multi-story, two-story dugouts, there should be capsules for the storage of personnel of massed shelling, communication and passages between the first, second and second third lines should be established line, a conductive

connection of the so-called palovka must be installed, because they... cannot be silenced by raps, well, it can break from an explosion, but here, even as in the second world war, you have to go and look for it on the reef to connect it , because you guys can jam the wireless wired connection, here is a connection, here you need wires, and so on, that is, there are many nuances, the fact that they now have these two sections 13-15 km wider is just according to the standards, this is how the brigade should advance, approximately this is its section. there is information that they want expand to 70 km, commander syrskyi said that they are trying to expand it, this is not a very good sign, because they would not expand it just like that, just 70 km is a section, well, up to 100 km, 50, 60, 70, this already there should advance, this is the length of the front, the length of the front along which the division should advance, most likely this 18th division, which is there, they are for

creation. 10-15% of the personnel were deployed again according to the prescribed combat rules, according to the combat statutes, the rest of the main forces were preserved, and the section of the front was expanded means that this division will try to advance. whether they succeed or fail to advance to the second to third line, well, this will show how well they are built and how many of our troops should be there, because in such a section of the front, well, let's say, well, for example , a battalion, it has to... hold the defense there 3-5 km, well, for example, and up to 2 km deep, well, that is, there are certain standards, that is, no, we constantly say to attract reserves there, something else, for each section of land, at a certain distance, there are certain standards, how much should it is set to be min, how much should be how many guns should be stationed, how many heavy equipment should be there, how many people should be there, how many machine guns should be there, how many machine guns, mortars and so on, that is

, this is all. the statutes of the armed forces, and this is the tactic, when it is being built, it is based on regulatory documents and according to them, well, there are many nuances, you can change something in the cunning tactics there, but you can add it, do it better, that is, mr. major, there is a military science that in principle gives answers to all questions, you can go deeper and just tell there, how there are sometimes. they should stand there, where the snipers should stand on the defensive, and so on, that is, it is written down, it is not someone who sits and invents, that is why people who are far from military affairs start to analyze, draw some arrows on the map, where to go there to move, or someone starts saying, let's do it, write me a war plan, i.e. it's a head disease so incurable and so on, i.e. it's all prescribed and everything is calculated, sometimes it happens that you need to get

more with less. a wider section of the front, we have seen this many times, well, here and there , tactics are turned on, tactics are such that allow the smaller to have a certain section, well, there you have to maneuver, there you have to make counterattacks, there you have to do active defense, that is, it all adds up, i just want, why is it like that, well, i'll tell you almost in detail, there are basic rules for waging war. basic in the united states, in great britain, in ukraine, in the russian federation, basic, you can improve, but you can not replace bases, you see, you can't put a battalion on a 100 km area to conduct combat operations, it will simply be demolished and so on, it's impossible to make fortifications without having behind the third line of rockets on a road along which you can quickly move.