no documents to the register of executive proceedings, how do you perceive this story from this illegal chapel and in general with the work of the pcmp in the territory of ukraine, it is not for nothing that we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether the pcmp threatens the national security of ukraine, it seems to me that this topic also needs solution, which is the uocp chapel, that is, you need to wake up at a certain moment in the morning. and to hear that the ukrainian orthodox church of ukraine, as a church that threatens the national security of ukraine, has ceased to exist? we cannot do that, because it must be a decision of the verkhovna rada, and the verkhovna rada, although it has a majority, frankly, is afraid to make this decision, because there are agents of influence of the russian orthodox church, including in the mono majority. the country, i think it

is more correct to call it that, has such a canadian lawyer, a lawyer called a lawyer, who scares ukrainian deputies almost with international courts and international sanctions, and their legal awareness turns out to be insufficient to explain what is happening. on the one hand, there is a legal norm that the church is separated from of the state on the other hand, already 10 years ago... militants with the chevrons of the russian orthodox army were running around in the ukrainian donbas, local protestants were shot in slovyansk, so i don't see anything dramatic in the fact that this illegal structure was dismantled and taken away, no i don't see any problems, i know that there were... well, let's say, there

were different deadlines when it was supposed to be done, obviously, some operational game was going on around this, because it's no secret that supporters of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, they work in different structures by the authorities, but i am glad that it is ended, because i do not believe that such an orthodox... russian-orthodox abscess should exist on the foundation of a tithe church, i'm sorry. you said that the verkhovna rada should make such a decision, but, well, if this church threatens the national security of ukraine, could it be a decision of the national security council, we see that the rada is not in a hurry to do so. well, you understand, if the decision of the national security council, then it must be introduced by a presidential decree. given the way

the mobilization law was passed, i think the president will be discouraged from passing such a decision, that's why i'm skeptical about it and i think that after all, other problems await us, and after all, it should be a decision of the verkhovna rada, i wonder why it doesn't happen, why we, even after how humming in... blessed putin for a new kingdom, all the same, not a single chir-chir from the mouths of our people's elected officials. it's strange to me, and i don't understand it, although i wouldn't say that i'm a person who is deeply involved in church affairs, but i understand that in conditions when war and confrontation goes beyond cities, beyond ideas, for everything like that, give credit and appeal.

attention to the church hostile to ukraine is simply necessary. without a doubt, you have already mentioned the law on mobilization, the law that makes changes to accounting and to the very system of mobilization in ukraine. today, the ministry of defense presented the reserve plus mobile application, that is, this electronic office for conscripts, conscripts and reservists, and on the 18th. this application should work within 60 days until july 16 , including all conscript men must update their credentials at the tsc or in this application dmytro lazutkin, the spokesman for the ministry of defense of ukraine, explained that this application will reduce the load on the tsc, where there are currently long queues. let's listen to what dmytro lazutkin said. we expect that it

will significantly relieve tck, because it is convenient, it is fast, and it eventually expands. zones, that is, it allows to distribute these people in these institutions, to predict the influx of people, in fact, well, it is very difficult, because, well, for many reasons, for many reasons, but let's not forget that 60 days is quite long term, there is no need or legal requirement to do it this very weekend, that's right, that is, people have time and... mr. yevgeny, dmytro lazutkin is optimistic that within two months it will be possible to re-register all conscripted men in the tsk in different way. now there are whole queues lined up to the tcc, and we can see that in the kyiv districts there are definitely enough

of these queues and many men. how do you see this whole story with mobilization now, whether there will be any corrections or not. then zelenskyi will intervene in this process and say: listen, let's make changes to the legislation there, because we don't have time, is this entire system of the tsk ready for this, because we know that the tsk are not the tsnaps, but former military leaders, well with the corresponding post-soviet consequences, well, it so happened that in the period from january to may, i had to pass the military medical board and... clarify my documents, that is, i am, so to speak, already registered in the oberig system, and this is not it hurts, it's totally realistic, it's possible, and it's, i think every enlisted man

or woman should do this to their enlisted women, it's our civic duty, and it's perfectly fine, the other thing is that i think that... the effort to promote the mobilization law should be accompanied by various things , which, accordingly, should be in the information field. i believe that the video that was released by the ministry of defense, and where kyrylo tymoshenko himself admitted, that it is an american video that will be repeated in ukrainian realities. well, that's not what the country deserves predicted more than 800 days ago that it would disappear after the first strike of russia, that is, not in the sense of cultural, that is, artistic qualities, in

the sense that there should be dozens of various such motivational videos, they have, well, give from every iron. from every table lamp, from every mobile phone to sound and push for this, i.e. to expect that we will solve everything exclusively by law, by passing a law, well, in my opinion, this is a little naive, we need to work more seriously, more systematically, if you like it's more modern, it's good that there will be an application, but it's not clear how specifically, well, it's still unknown how specific the subject is. it will work, there must be constant information support of this process, and i will also say that mobilization involves a very significant demand for justice, and the more ordinary citizens will know about the powerful

of this world, or their children and relatives who are in the ranks of the armed forces, the more will have success in mobilization. you talk about fairness, literally the story of the last few days is the history of booking companies, several companies of employees of glovo, visa, fawbet, online betting offices, what these stories show, that is, that not everyone is equal, that not everyone should be mobilized or registered. there, someone gets this reservation in some way, the system and criteria for this reservation are decided in the ministry of economy, and not according to some other criteria, well, that is , no one can understand these criteria until now, because there are some

armored people, and there are unarmored people. i will say this, mr. sergey, that it is better to be imperfect reservation system than the system where they offer... the possibility to avoid the draft depending on how much you are, what salary you will get, because similar... draft, similar principle, i think it is not effective and it will just to create a very serious social conflict, inside ukraine at the moment and so many different lines of division in order to say that let's, well, work in this sense, that is, you know, here... one more point, i think , that each of us has seen some scandalous video dedicated to tsc and work

its representatives, but very few have seen a realistic video about how representatives of the tsk work under normal conditions, and indeed the campaign that began about the fact that there are masked people who have already fought, and i personally saw a person, well, let's say who... in the course of registering conscripts in one of the capital's cccs, who has burn marks on her face, i don't think that these are the consequences of some kind of domestic incident, it's true, if we have been at war for more than 800 days. and that's why, you know, in my opinion, in the conditions of war, everything should be presented through personal history, and then it will be more clear, and then it will give... the necessary effect, if there is no such effect of communication, then

it will be extremely difficult to really provide effective mobilization, that is, you want to say that our authorities lack the understanding that both the tsc and the process of mobilization should be accompanied by proper informational support, and not as it is now, i want. to say that we should not build a small soviet army from the time of the soviet-german war, but we should promote the idea that ukraine is waging a war for independence and defending ukraine with weapons in their hands, this is an honor for those who are called to the ranks of the armed forces or have overcome the defense forces of ukraine, and this is a message that should be spread. in dozens, perhaps hundreds of different information messages, through different channels of information dissemination,

through different groups and on different target audiences, then you can talk about some kind of success, well, to be honest, well, you are saying everything correctly, but to be honest, it is strange to me, that people who came to power at the expense of information and television technologies do not understand such simple truths. no one does ideal in this world, mr. serhiu, you know, maybe those people who formed the election campaign in 2019, they are either already fighting, or on the contrary , they avoided the draft and are somewhere outside of ukraine. by the way, this is an interesting story, where are the communicators who worked with volodymyr zelenskyi and the servant of the people party during the 2019 elections. thank you. mr. yevgeny, thank you for the conversation, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world

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to the viewers of the tv channel, natalya stareprava is with you, and today in our studio we have a special guest, vyacheslav. head of recruiting in the 47th separate mechanized brigade and we will talk about this one recruitment process. vyacheslav, i congratulate you. good day. and i know, and in general , we see in society how recruiting is gaining new momentum in recent months, when people become more motivated and choose this recruiting path and apply to recruiting centers. how does this process work in your team? yes, it is very. an important event in fact, because it is a very important communication between the state and civilians, in order to present and understand what the army really is, what war is, what needs we have, what opportunities we have, in our in this case, recruiting looks like this: we first look for our target audience, we

understand who our person is, then we look for the person to whom we know what we can offer, which... and the criteria from our side, then we analyze the criteria of this person , asking what exactly she wants, what she needs, after analyzing it, agreeing it with the commander of the specific unit in which the candidate wants to enter, we are already directly engaged in escorting, escorting is absolutely calling at every stage, agreeing with the rtcc that our man prepare a written consent, hand it over, our representative immediately starts... in the rtcc escort at the stage of registration of the vlk, when a person has registered at the training center, left, then this is already immediate escort, every week we call, ask how things are, er, how passes, is it interesting there, is it possible for some time to learn some additional knowledge so that a more competent person comes to his position, so

we directly pick it up in person from the training center, deliver it to the part and there already... life begins in within the limits of the unit, an equally important component , in fact, is moral and psychological support, there are many people, i am sure, who choose the recruiting path for themselves, they are motivated, but it is not always possible that this motivation corresponds to constructive factors, how your fighters prepare, your the military prepares candidates, how they communicate with them, well , it is first of all clear that people... are not motivated when they do not understand where they are going and what they will do, and they all want to understand that their lives are belongs, and that they will be safe, that is our task is to train them, provide them, and well , moral support is the truth, it is coordination, it is communication with the command, it is communication with the command directly in

the environment with the unit, and i think in this process are born. understanding, competence and confidence in how to move forward. speaking of, let's say, positions, what requests do you currently have open, and what combat specialties does your brigade, in particular, need at the moment? frankly speaking, our priority is always the infantry, because we are a mechanized brigade, and the priority directions were planned - these are assaults, which we were engaged in, that is why the infantry is... our priority, but you must understand that we have a very large body, and it is like a small country within our state, because each assault plane needs at least six people who provide his livelihood, and these are lawyers, financiers, a cook, this is in the same number, if we talk about combat positions, then it is not only infantry, there is a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a shooter, this is also in the same number as fpv , because our

uav company has literally grown to battalion to open vacancies, by the way, and including, this is escort artillery, this is atgm, this is including repair and restoration, that is, the brigade has the maximum number of positions, it seems to me that they are possible, and we need specialists for all of them, just recently it became known that the 19th recruiting center of the ukrainian army was opened in ukraine, and when we talked about the record, we are with you. they said that you are now planning to open your first recruiting center in kyiv, right? is there any way to contact via for example, these recruiting centers of the ukrainian army, in particular... to get into your brigade, yes 100%, there are actually many ways, and we are now working out that the recruiting centers, specifically from

the ministry of defense, for example, they are very positive about so that we could bring our representative and conduct some kind of interview with the person there, we have already practiced this approach of a generally informal meeting, following the example of my current business trip, in order for the person to be as comfortable as possible within some limits... of common shared space, we are looking for a coffee shop, we just walked around lviv with one of the candidates, and this relieves the psychological situation more when a person understands that she did not come to some place where a bunch of soldiers are not fighting, that she will be stolen now, she will get in fact, competent advice from a military serviceman with extensive experience, and therefore the recruiting center is not a panacea for us, it is like one of the communication tools. in order for civilians to have the opportunity to communicate in comfortable conditions for them and learn more information about brigade about the armed forces as a whole, are there

agitations, for example, for some positions, when requests are already closed, but people still want to get this particular specialty, and not others that are not closed, as in this case you explain that, for example, no, well, we can’t, in fact it’s like half a civilian life and... there are criteria according to which a candidate must pass an interview, get into that other position, but the same thing happens in our country, everyone is very crazy about uavs, because it’s something new , it's very effective, it's cool, it's cool, there are positions, come, but you need to learn, have some experience, because we have a very powerful mechanism there, for example, when there are no vacancies in some position, we offer something alternative, tangential. to what suits them, or we keep a person there, he is ready to wait there for a month or two, for example, because positions, they, they move, they change,

someone gets fired somewhere, someone is transferred, someone tried himself here, he did not like it, he wanted to transfer to some other division, and we actually facilitate that, that is, we also conduct internal analytics in most of us manage to have people in the positions they are interested in. in society, we now began to sound the alarm, because before, and now, recruiting caused trust among ukrainians, motivation to go to the army, because people knew, were sure that they were choosing a brigade for themselves, they knew that they would one hundred percent get into it the position to which they want, or to which they are directed, however, now we see certain changes, because you can get into this or that brigade, to this or that position, only if it is a hundred. falls into the list of recommendations, that is, that i i mean, there are cases when a person receives a so-called letter of recommendation, but goes to the tcc, he is rejected, because

there is no one or another brigade in this list, because you need to close the requests somewhere else, what to do in such cases? and this is quite, i think it's an obvious situation, it's not a recent story like this, it really exists, and i think it's right, it's right, because there is a priority, a priority, how we must... have our front line, what kind of brigades are we , which are really effective, because our common war, our common task - that's all still win this war, and that is why the command singles out, well , prioritizes those brigades that need people in the first place, that is why these are combat brigades in the first place, you have to choose for yourself the one that dominates more, this does not mean that if we signed up there... we are all going to war, then tomorrow we are stormtroopers, no, anyway, as i said, for one stormtrooper, there need six or seven rearguards of some kind of specialties that will provide for him, but nevertheless,

we need to focus on because, well, it is hardly possible to say that i will go to help the country, i will go to serve and somewhere i will sit in the rear as a cook there under the border in poland, no, we really have a priority on combat positions and therefore movement. to provide them, but this tool, which has been developed, guarantees that if you applied to the brigade yourself, the brigade carried out recruiting work with you, it takes you through the rtc, you will definitely get into this brigade, you will definitely get into this position, and no one will steal you there on the way, this chaos that used to be, it is actually now neutralized, that is, there is a clear tool, how to choose a position that you like and get to it. although we can see from various stories of people that it does not always work, but look, there is a directive, too few people know about it, and in fact our executive apparatuses do not... not all,

unfortunately, know this, there is a directive from the general staff from february 22, which obliges rtc and training centers to direct the selected person by recruiting to exactly that part and to exactly that position for which she applied already under the condition that the part is a priority and for replenishment, and the second is that the person entered herself with relation to the rtcc, in such a case there is a specific order that obliges. we have had cases when a person did not go according to plan, they forgot to submit somewhere, it is not known in which framework, whether it is the rtcc or an educational center, they may not have been distributed, and the person went where he should not. we contacted the general staff, we said: good afternoon, your directive, our situation, help, please, and every time we were sent a person back home, so to speak, is it possible to get into this or that particular brigade already after

as a person... received a summons, ah, yes, well, in most cases, what is important to understand, i think that the authorities are much more supportive now than at the beginning, at the beginning we all did not understand how it would be to work and what we were doing, to do, that's why it was very chaotic, now they see that the situation is not easy and that we are the kind of people who will not just give up, yes, we need specifics, we need an understanding of how we will enter, where. .. let's get to this specifics, this assistance from the authorities, it is right now, and that's why adequate communication directly from the representatives with representatives of the rtcc on the spot, they contribute to the fact that they offer which teams in the assembly centers themselves, and the assembly centers are recruiting centers, when people come there, or they are brought,

they communicate, receive. mother in different brigades, different directions, personally talked with representatives of these recruiting internal centers, and well, it works, it works, or if we are talking about recruiting and mobilization, when a person receives a summons, which in fact, is there this one an advantage in recruiting, is it true that a person who goes voluntarily is more motivated, or is it still a stereotype, the point is... motivation, i say, it increases a lot when a person understands that he can get what his pains are can close what tasks, problems, requests it can solve, because the army is not just about some shooting, it is actually a very interesting organism, where you can realize yourself as in civilian life in some profession, as well as in the army , and in the army, well, it's a different psychological world, that

different communication is internal, it is of higher quality. builds up faster with people, in fact there are many points that are very interesting, people don't know about it, and i think our problem is precisely the lack of communication, explanation, and that's why we, for example, involve businesses in recruiting, in first of all, it is marketing, marketing that determines where our target audience is, who they are, what we want to tell them, what message, because we, for example, do not take everyone in a row to... it is important that our people are convinced , that we have personnel, he he is motivated, he is trained so that people who carry out combat tasks are confident in the comrades with whom they go, and for this we need to find those people, that person who will meet our requirements, including, and who we can to attract interest and apply for a position, marketing contributes to this, marketing is something that was not done in the army, just like recruiting, so we think with

a good... an example of how today the military world is becoming more modern from the business side , we really need this in order for us to win the war, which is not a small one the soviet army, the great soviet army, with a modern technological, psychological, and management approach, and it really works, a military conscript who enters the army, either by story or voluntarily, one way or another, must receive these guarantees, guarantees on the condition that his dignity will not be violated, that he will perform the work that he either wanted, or actually, well, he was given, but it will all happen, well, in human conditions, in your opinion, is there here are some such violations in the army, which generally needs to be changed today ukrainian army? this is a very difficult question, a very difficult question.