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to the joint broadcast of the first crimean tatar tv channel atr and the espresso tv channel, for i work with you in the studio, guls khalilova, and my colleague andriy yanitsky is in direct contact with us, in this block of our program we will talk about the anniversary of the deportation of the anniversary of the genocide of the crimean tatar people. so. and, but before we get to the topic, i'd like to remind you that this broadcast is also on ater and espresso's youtube channel, and if you're watching it on youtube, be sure to like, subscribe, bell, comment on this issue in on youtube, it is very important in order to other people saw this broadcast, this is also how internet technologies work, well, on the 17th.

on may 1, it was probably the last day in 1944, when the crimean tatars went to bed without suspecting what awaited them. already in the morning of may 18, all these horrors that then befell the crimean tatar people by order of the dictator stalin, and for the next 50 years at least, the crimean tatars lived in the hope of returning home, returning to the crimea, and today 80 years have passed, but this pain ... will never be forgotten, and especially after the occupation of crimea in 2014, we see how the russian occupation authorities de facto continue the hybrid deportation of the crimean tatar

people. we will talk about this today with historian, journalist and tv presenter gulnara abdulaeva. she is with us in the studio now. we welcome you. silya maliyko. hello, congratulations, andriy, i will start then, and then you will continue and ask your questions, okay, you do not mind, yes, of course, of course, yes, gulnara khanom, well, i would like to start with such a general question, and how the ussr was preparing for the deportation of the crimean tatars , and why exactly in 1944 stalin wanted to simply evict the crimean-tatar people from half. the islands are more than, if i am not mistaken, 200 thousand people at that time, and among them only old people, women and children, because the best sons of this nation, men, in the majority, they already fought on the fronts of the second world war , and stalin just

had the opportunity to deport an entire people at this time, because this is the moment, and of course, this deportation, it was prepared for more than one year, and of course it must be... there was some reason to deport the crimean tatars, and we only know what is documents that in april the document was submitted for stalin's signature in order to deport the crimean tatars as an anti-soviet element who inhabit, who cooperated with the occupiers and the like, but in fact it was simply the same reason, the fear of this people. .. which is worth something, because it is the indigenous people of this peninsula, stalin had, as we know, his own plans for the peninsula, but all this began, well, a long time ago, since the stalinist repressions of 1938 , when such slogans were already heard, that crimea without crimean tatars, i.e. crimea, ugh, must

to be, was purged of this soviet element, as they expressed it at the time, and we know that, for example, on april 17, 1932 , almost the entire crimean tatar intelligentsia was already shot, and then already in the 39th year, as we know, the second world war began war, and of course that this moment was postponed, because we know that already in 1941, at the end of 1941, 1942, crimea was completely occupied by the germans, and then there was also a partisan movement in crimea itself, headed by makrausov and martynov, and here they are. they did not cope with this partisan movement, i did not i will delve into the historical realities of how the germans entered the peninsula and how there was practically no one to defend it, how they very quickly occupied it. the partisan movement was failed, but so that they did not

recognize their right, and they wrote a report to the kremlin that the crimean tatars were to blame for everything, that is, they did not support, they generally worked with the germans and the like, and this report was taken into account , but of course they couldn't do anything, because crimea was occupied, then by the second ukrainian front crimea was completely liberated in the spring of the 44th year, crimean tatars, like other peoples who inhabited crimea, they gave birth to victories, they did not see any difference between red army soldiers, yes, red army soldiers and nkvd soldiers, who... then after the second of the ukrainian front, they entered the crimea, because the deportation operation was already being prepared, and here are 32,000 nkvd soldiers, they started the same terrible terror. at first, as we know, there was a population census that they conducted,

the crimean tatars, of course, did not suspect anything, like everyone else, because it it happened in such a very secretive way, well , that is, it is a tradition of the kremlin. so that it was very classified and there was no information, and i want to emphasize that at that time there was a lot, that crimea was liberated, and a lot to the crimean tatars who... who happened to be in the war and who were close to them they were given vacations, and they were in the crimea just at that time, they were on vacations, and we know that a historical figure like amithan sultan, he was also given three days to be with his relatives on vacation at home, but this was all done deliberately in order to really already that terrible occupation was being prepared, and the cynical thing about this deportation is... that these soldiers, well, crimean tatars, they didn't count, they were soviet soldiers, the nkvd officer, they

didn't count that, and they often fed the same ones soldiers, and these same nkvd soldiers, who were supposed to come to their homes in the morning, had dinner with the crimean tatars in the evening because they invited them, they saw them as liberators from the german occupation, because indeed these were the horrors of the occupation, and on and at four in the morning. in the fourth in the morning to every house, something practical can be said, because a lot of people who survived the deportation testify that at four in the morning they broke into their houses and simply announced that in the name of the soviet union, they were collaborators, collaborators, and at that time the men were back in the war, when they came to women, to just elderly people, and to children, so to... by the way, you can say that until the 44th year in crimea there was only the crimean-tatar language,

who would did not inhabit crimea, except for crimean tatars, they were russians, ukrainians, and other nationalities, they all understood the crimean tatar language, and to the point that, imagine yourself, at four in the morning, some soldiers rush up to you, say something in russian that you do not understand at all, and you are accused of for some reason, someone was told that they were being taken out for execution, well, this is for example... for example, my families, who did not take anything at all, because they said that they would take you out for execution, others were given 15 minutes, some were so embarrassed lucky for half an hour, yes, what could these confused people do people to take with them, well, some a trinket, some something valuable, and that's how they took them all out of their homes, and it's not cynical, just as the lendlis was already working, and just as the same newcomers were arriving in the ssr. and

the same wagons for transporting cattle were already waiting for them there, and eyewitnesses say that these wagons in general, they only transported cattle there, there was a straw loader, and then they just drove people, people, regardless, and there was just such a moment, that people also testify that people... and who were not transportable, they were simply destroyed, physically destroyed, those who resisted, they were also destroyed, they were simply shot, and those soldiers who were given leave, who said, we fought, we, we , we are traitors, but they simply tore off the shoots and also said that we were traitors and all this was made up, that is, they were also deported, those who resisted were also shot, that is, these were really such terrible conditions, and... if you saw the film by haytarm, yes, it really conveys such a small part of what

was really happening, it was just horrible , and here in such wagons for livestock unbeaten, 67 echelons, i.e. there was, i.e. it is not very many and not very few, and these 67 echelons, they were sent to central asia and the urals, and mostly to uzbekistan , the majority of them were resettled to uzbekistan, well, no one expected the crimean tatars there, of course, we did not we know the exact data and figures, how many died in general, because we know that this is a very high number for the first years, during the deportation and the first years of the veil, 46.2% of people died, these data of the national movement of the crimean tatars, which nevertheless researched, and there is more evidence. that when , for example, it was brought to uzbekistan, of course, no one was waiting for them there, but the local

population, well, they didn't know who the orphanages were in general, yes, and that's why they were told that they go to you there in general, well, just terrible people, and they were told about this by these legends there, of course they were met as enemies, and of course they were treated like that, later they already understood that the language was similar, somehow the faith was the same, and somehow they got along a little bit like that. yes, but still, this is a different land, this is a different climate, a lot of people died and perished, and these are the diseases that were there, and then there were more for reference, i am. well, 80 years have passed, a lot of documents have already been declassified, and people who were admitted to hospitals, they, they simply did not, well, did not leave here, because everything was done to them, so that they would not have recovered, a lot of such things were done, and this is not for one broadcast, my colleague andriy has a question, and to andriy, if we are talking

about the intentions of the stalinist leadership, then... was this intention to destroy the truly crimean tatar nation, to dissolve it between other peoples and make to mix and to have the crimean tatars generally forgotten who they are? such an intention was true, because there were not millions of crimean tatars, well, for example, i am ukrainians, because ukrainians, in principle , could also suffer the same fate, because ukrainians are lucky that there are many of them, they simply could not be physically removed all of them, crimean tatars were possible, because somewhere... more than 200,000 people lived on the peninsula at that time, because we know, as i said, there were many men on the fronts of the second world war, and of course this was done in order to destroy . moreover, when the crimean tatars were already in the cities of deportation, they were forbidden to use the crimean prefix at all, that is , they were equated with all, well, all

the tatars who lived at that time, well, first in the space of the russian empire, then... the sfsr, that is, these are also kazan, bashkir, siberian, astrakhan tatars, that is , there are a lot of them, and the crimean tatars were forbidden to use the crimean prefix, that is, we crimean, crimean tatar people practically disappeared from history for 80 years, but when this mrs. gulnar, the crimean tatars managed to preserve their identity, and i heard different memories and knew that among themselves, for example, the crimean tatars would even remember very carefully. told about the history of crimea, the history of deportation, deportation, they tried not to tell the children about it, many crimean tatars who grew up and were born in uzbekistan and or in tajikistan said that they did not even suspect that there was a deportation until a certain age , because their parents protected them in this way and tried to protect them from the repressive communist system, but they didn't

less preserved memory is quite powerful and in the 90s... the process of mass return of crimean tatars began, how was it possible to preserve it, what contributed to this, is the mejlis a unique structure of self-government itself, or some folk traditions, or some intellectuals , who preserved this memory and nurtured it, what are the secrets of preserving identity, well, here i can say that we have the identity of ukraine. the family is very similar, because when trouble, tragedy happens to us, we consolidate, the crimean tatars also consolidated, they kept their faith, language, they did not mix, well, in principle, there is something there, well, the uzbeks are also muslims, at least, no, a lot of them consolidated here so that the peoples did not mix, so that they did not dissolve, if, for example, separately in the crimea

until the year 44 there were three sub-ethnic groups of the crimean tatars, they are, and they are now, but they did not mix, these are the southern coasts, these mountainous regions, the steppes, they did not mix with each other until the 44th year, already in deportation, when it was necessary somehow to keep their people, of course they already mingled, and i can say that the crimean tatar people are still in the stage of ethnogenesis, that is, formation, that's why here we are a little bit mixed with stypoviks and hygorians, but we are crimean tatars, that's what consolidated us, but i want to note that maybe these are really separate families , families, they didn't tell their children about such a tragedy, but i can say that most of them did tell, and the crimean tatars are literally young, i can also say gulsums, we knew what deportation was when we were young, we survived , it was given to us with mother's milk, that's how they gave all this, so what did we know about

his tragedy, and it was like that, you know, yes, it really is, maybe like something... now psychologists say that it is such a trauma, but this trauma must be lived through in order to heal from it and move on, move on, because how much i understand, even in the 1980s it was dangerous to talk about it, and to say that the criminal stalinist regime, even the stalinist regime, was already a cult of stalin, the cult of the vajda was condemned, but nevertheless it was dangerous to talk about this one. to condemn the soviet government, that's why i said that not all children were told, because just protected them, not because they didn't want this information to remain. probably already there at a more mature conscious age, when the return began at 9, i wanted to ask about the return, how easy this

process was, whether in 1991, with the collapse of the soviet union, it was so easy to get together and return to crimea, whether it was the procedure for returning property that was taken from the crimean tatars in the 1940s, we know that this happened in the baltic... countries, but was this the case in ukraine and were the crimean tatars allowed to return to sevastopol to the southern coast of the crimea, did they still have to find a place in the north of the crimea and in the steppe part, well, of course, no one expected the crimean tatars in the crimea, of course they said that where will you return, because we know that from ... in the 1970s , there was already such a movement, the national movement of the crimean tatars, and a lot of people already at that time were talking about the need to return, and that

we were accused of that, and that is, it was such that what about people came out of some were brave, who came out with slogans, return to the crimean tatars homeland and return the crimean tatars to the motherland, but of course, those people, of course, were soviet. times and many of them came through camps and prisons. of course, the dream of returning to crimea was always there for the crimean tatars. and from a young age , we all knew, our parents, for example, they knew that they would definitely return, but it was really such a vagrant in 1987, when there was such an agency, yes, during the soviet times, tars, which once issued such a certificate. where, where they said what crimean tatars, they are really traitors, there were a lot of traitorous battalions that shot civilians, and mostly they were russians, ukrainians and jews,

but it was intentional, and there was an appeal that the crimean tatars were not are the indigenous people of crimea, they appeared there since the 13th century, well, you know, it's like that, it's a very widespread myth, which, by the way, is still heard, and... but it was such a hoax, it was like that, you know , a trigger for crimean tatars, crimean tatars, and they became en masse to go to moscow, at that time the center, and there were still soviet times, and they went out to this red square and drove them out, they went out to other squares, and they were with posters, they wrote that return the crimean tatars to their homeland, that you us accused, these accusations are not, well, at least we need an apology for these... accusations against the crimean tatars, the crimean tatars were knocking on all the doors, there is only a minute left, i just warn that we and this should be a trigger, you know, so that

the crimean tatars became after these events, moscow events, they are so, and they were already returning to the crimea, and of course no one was waiting for them, but still the vodaks and the crimean tatars achieved the fact that they are still on their native land, and that's it was thank you very much, gulnara khanom choksagl, for taking the time to come to our studio today, but i hope that in the next broadcasts of espresso and the atp tv channel , we will meet with you in two or three weeks and we will discuss many more issues that i have it and andrii choch saglens has it, thank you were with us today, gulnara abdulaeva, historian, journalist and tv presenter was with us in the espresso studio, as well as in the krymstarsk broadcast. gulsom khalilova and my colleague andriy yanitsky worked for you on the tv channel. stay with us koroshkenju. gasoline trimmers are so heavy,

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