payne is back tomorrow doing the show. the other anchors are paid? imagine that? ♪. john: it's wedding season! this year three million americans will promise to stay together. >> forever! forever! forever! >> or not. >> married only four months our divorce lasted 6 1/2 years. >> this is how i put gas in the rolls-royce. >> okay, here she comes. john: they keep getting married. >> you may kiss the bride. john: and spend lots! >> my god. >> so pretty in pink. john: before the wedding, we're told to spend money on diamond engagement rings, how else would two months' salary last forever. marriage is the union between a man and woman. john: that's changing. >> i just fell in love and fell

in love again and fell in love again. john: finally, what's the point of marriage, why is marriage good? >> i promise to be true to you in good times and bad. john: that's our show tonight. dearly beloved. most weddings begin with that phrase, it's an old greek phrase used to welcome people to big events. few events are as big as a wedding. >> wedding season. john: next month, june is thought of as the wedding month. why june? maybe because of that woman, june of roman goddess of marriage. the month of june was named after her. another explanation is in the 1500s, people took their arealy bath in may so people smelled better in june. a third explanation and this is more plausible to me.

newlyweds were trying to time childbirth, if a bride got pregnant in june, she wouldn't be so pregnant in summer so she could help grow and harvest the food. whatever the reason is for june, i'm grossed out by how much money people spend on weddings, even people who aren't rich. what's wrong with people? let's ask jacobina martin, author of "miss manners' guide to a surprisingly dignified wedding." well, i don't see dignity in spending all these gross sums. >> yes, people have gotten out of control. i think we are living in a celebrity culture where we want to emulate the big celebrities but they can afford it and we can't. john: you are the daughter of the original miss manners judith marten. have you written the squel to her book. you say people think of weddings in reverse, that's the reason they spend so much. >> exactly. they want this huge wedding with this kind of food and this

champagne and they're thinking about that and how many people can we afford to invite to that. as opposed to here all my friends and family who i think would enjoy being at my family. what can we afford to give them? even if that might just be punch and cookies and i would think if your loved ones love you and want to be with you for this occasion, that would be okay. people feel it has to be a spectacle and it's gotten way out of control. john: did you have a big wedding? . >> medium sized wedding. we had a little upgrade from punch and cookies. we had a tea, and it was very modest. and we thought it was charming. we liked it. john: when you saw people want this, i would argue people don't want this, women want it. guys have very little interest. >> yeah, they're getting sucked up into it too. john: they are sucked up by the female fantasy? >> perhaps. john: bursts in fairy tells. >> the wedding industry is conditioning us to do this.

they are trying to sell us the products. obviously they have an economic interest thinking you need all this stuff. also they are asking other people to pay for it, to contribute to the wedding itself, they're in multiple registries to pay for it. john: whoa, they're asking the guests to pay for the wedding? . >> yep. we've heard about that. there are things called my fund.com, and there's another. john: one is honey farm where you pay for the honeymoon. >> i've heard of people asking to contribute to mortgages in the way of gifts. so, yeah, they're getting their lives financed for the privilege of coming to the wedding. john: some people will imitate what they see and pay attention to celebrities, and we have great, grievous excess in celebrity marriages. kim kardashian marrying pro basketball player kris humphries, 10 million dollars wedding. ten weeks later kardashian filed for divorce.

michael jordan and yvette prieto 10 million dollars. justin timberlake and jessica biel, 6.5 million dollars. chelsea clinton and her new husband, almost 5 million dollars. aren't they embarrassed? >> well, they've got the money to 're not here to judge. if you've got the money and not asking other people to spend it on you, then go ahead. john: you wrote your guide to a dignified wedding. >> yes, we're telling people you don't have to get yourself into debt to do this. if people can afford it, who are we to judge. john: well, i'm judging, and now there are several reality shows about weddings. some like bridezillas to pick materialistic women who get into fights over stupid things. >> i swear to god i will kill you. john: others show women spending fortune flowers and dresses and so forth. >> it's so pretty and pank. >> okay, here she comes.

>> you may now kiss the bride. john: this isn't mainstream. tell me it isn't. >> no, it doesn't have to be that way. certainly doesn't have to be that way. john: let's move to something else i consider a scam. most men who propose give their future bride a diamond ring, why not a cow or tv set or car? how did diamonds get to be the symbol of love and marriage? simply because a sleazy racist diamond cartel paid an ad agency to make it a tradition. after world war ii when american soldiers returned home, they saw ads showing soldiers proposing by giving women diamond rings. similar ads still run. >> the diamond engagement ring, how else could two months' salary last forever? a diamond lasts forever, de beers. john: two months' salary. the ad just made that up, too.

and also there is nothing intrinsically romantic about a diamond. it's a piece of carbon. looks like a diamond, it was crushed by intense pressures and heat and other rocks are just as pretty. emerald, sapphire. if you want colorless, you can buy much cheaper substitutes like cubic zirconia. almost no one can see the difference. a borrowed a diamond worth $65,000 and a piece of cubic zirconia worth $100. i disguised myself with a silly beard and took both stones to jewelry stores where couples were shopping for diamond rings. the couples had no idea which was the real diamond. even jewelers looking through one of these loops couldn't tell the difference. why do you women want diamonds? >> why do we want diamonds? why do you want nice cars? anything. john: i can drive a car, it's just a rock. >> it's jewelry, and diamond is just a trend. it doesn't have to be a

diamond. it's up to the couple. we're not here to tell you it has to be a diamond or real. it's tradition, what people want to do. john: i did this story and gave my wife earrings and she assumed they were diamonds. they were zirkonia, two years later, she asked, nice, i told her the truth. and she was ticked off. >> you lied to your wife! of course she was. >> if she can't tell the difference why, should she be mad at me? >> the assumption of truth is more important than whether or not they were real or not. john: thank you jacobina martin. i made fun of the cost of excess weddings and never mock the importance of marriage. it may hold civilization together. our government thinks so, it gives money to groups that claim they can preserve marriages and keep families

together. millions of your tax dollars go to this group. ♪. >> this is expectations holiday party, and eighth annual. we'll have 1600 people tonight. john: this group is called family expectations, they have events. >> we learn to have small conversations about big moments in our lives. >> it's a place. >> where we come together. >> where we share experiences. >> and have a happy. >> healthy baby. >> and relationship. john: great! does it work? does it help preserve marriages? no. the government's own study found couples who participate in family expectations are no more likely to stay together than couples who don't. so did government stop the funding? no, of course not. it's government. it never stops throwing money away, they gave that group another 100 million of your tax dollars this year. what a waste. but it would be good if there were a way to teach us how to make our marriages better. longer lasting and good for the kids because lots of data show

it's important for kids to be raised in a stabile, two-parent household. kids who are not are more likely to grow up poor and have psychological problems. those are reasons why melissa moschella says government should do more to keep families together. steve horwitz who studies the economics of marriage says that's not a good idea. why not if they find a program that worked. >> the programs have not worked in doing this. i agree, i think all other things equal, having kids raised by stable, two-parent families is a good thing. i'm not convinced the government can make that happen. >> melissa, why do you think that can help? >> the government plays an important role. others might do a better job. john: do you know of any that do? >> government launched an advertising campaign to get

everybody to hate smoking. look at the change in attitudes towards smoking and the resulting change in behavior. john: can they stay married? >> you can do lots of thing, campaigns showing a positive way, the value of getting married before you have children, staying married for the children. working through the rough spots. john: you argue that it would help if america continued to defy marriages between a man and woman. >> absolutely. john: why? >> if we really abolish marriage and reaffix the label to something else, namely a romantic domestic partnership for the private emotional fulfillment of adults. >> i wouldn't call that abolishing marriage, changing the definition. >> it's not the same thing, you abolished it as different and unique category of human relationship with its own nature and structure and purpose that's arbitrarily defined by a group of people. what makes marriage different from any other friendship if

it's just about the emotional satisfaction of people? john: you declare yourself married. i'm making a commitment to a woman or a man. >> and so what about two widowed sisters who live together and declare themselves domestic partners, take care of each other, maybe raise a child together. john: back up, i think part of the problem is marriage has never been a static institution. marriage has changed over thousands of years of human history. marriage meant that men essentially own their wives and married men couldn't have property of their own. john: recently. >> more recently we allowed interracial marriage across the country. all the notions of marriage change, and i think that the fact that marriage is now about love and companionship and romantic attachment. you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube. that came when it was no longer necessary for married couples to have lots of kids to be a

production unit. marriage bake something else starting 150, 200 years ago, i don't think there's any going back. the fact that same-sex couples want into it shouldn't surprise us at all. their marriages look like mine. >> none of those changes change the essence of marriage. throughout history, the defining constant thing has been it's a sexually complementary relationship, the kind of union that can produce children. john: heterosexual couples don't produce couple. is that not a real marriage? >> it's a real marriage. the point is it's uniquely the kind of relationship that we get children from. john: why does the kind of relationship matter? we don't test couples for fertility to see if they are able to produce children. >> what people understood marriage to be has changed and evolved. john: melissa, it does appear you are losing this war. in oklahoma, a judge ruled they must allow same-sex marriage. republican politicians are

talking about get government out of marriage and what's wrong with that? why can't it be a private contract? why must the state sanction? >> look, our marriage cult sureffectively in the icu, all the statistics show that, now the question is do we take that ailing patient, that ailing marriage culture and kill it? or do we do our best to try to bring it back to a healthy state for the sake primarily of the children and the future of our society. i'm saying we want to take positive steps to bring marriage into a healthier state into our culture. >> why not let same-sex couples into that. don't we want more of those? >> not just about two-parent households, it's about children being raised by their own biological mother and father. >> what we want are two parents who made a decision to obtain, raise, create a child of their own that they care about. those are the people who are the best parents. >> thank you, steve and

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. john: the data is pretty clear, kids raised by two parents married to each other usually do better in life than kids whose parents are not married. so it's not good news that the number of single-parent households is up. here's a graph. up a lot for all races, whites studied the longest. when i was a kid most every parent got married. 2% of kids were born to unwed mothers. today it's 29%. 53% for hispanics, 72% for blacks. here to help us what it means is kay hymowitz who studies families and marriage. well, what does it mean? >> people like to say well marriage is obsolete. we have -- it's a new world, people have new arrangements

and why can't we let that be? you have to tell the kids before you decide that the world has really changed. what we're finding from all of the research, and this is studied for decades with huge data sets is that on average kids do better growing up with two married parents. two stably married parents. john: if they've gotten the circive indicate who cares? >> kids who are born to co habiting parents are likely to see the parents break up before five years old. john: just by getting married, you are less likely to break up? >> you are making a decision, this is what i'm going to try to do. at any rate. we continue doesn't always work out. with co-habiting, an

arrangement people slide into, they haven't decided together to make the commitment. >> the pew research company found half of all marriages 18-29 have a step sibling. so what? they get parented by more people. more love, better. >> well, more than about a third of the marriages break up, usually the father tends to disappear or fade out because there's a new man in the house. and that often creates tensions between the father and the mother and the new man. he maybe has found a new love and has a child with that person, and it's very, very hard to maintain any kind of stability. it complicates children's lives enormously. john: what does it do to the kids? >> particularly with boys, children are more likely to have trouble in school. more likely to have behavioral

problems. boys who are in such an environment often act out, they externaliza the experts call it. they get into fights, more likely to drop out of school and not go to college, et cetera. john: i read this too, what seems contradictory is with much more of this going on, you think the kids would be in much bigger trouble. graduation rates are way up. teen pregnancy fell 41% from 1991. teen violence arrests are way down. >> when you look at these big numbers, you are not breaking it down by education. breakdown of marriage is almost entirely effecting lower income, less educated people. college educated women tend to almost always marry before they have their children and much less likely to divorce. when it comes to teen pregnancy, john, teen pregnancy

is way down, but instead rates of 20 something's, young 20 something's having children outside of marriage has gone way up. yes, women are -- john: better 20 something's than 15 something's. >> when it comes to child outcomes, this much better. not worlds better. john: and yet, celebrities get all this press coverage by saying i haven't found a good man, i'll find a kid on my own. charlize theron, sheryl crow. angelina jolie adopted first child as a single mother. madonna, single moms. they send a message this is just as good an option, and i assume their kids do okay. >> do the children of celebrities do okay? that depends what your baseline is here. we've been watching this

breakdown of marriage over the last 30, 40 years, we've been watching kids go through life and see it over and over and over again, when you control for race, for the age of mother, for mother's income, education, all of that, two-parent household works better for a child. john: thank you, kay hymowitz. coming up, the controversy over living together before you're married. plus plural marriage, one man, three women. (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more time trading.

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. john: americans used to get married before they moved in together. when i was in college, most people did not live together before they married. now, most do. 65%. you probably know the famous examples, kirk russell and goldie hawn.

noemi watts and liev schrieber. kourtney kardashian and scott sisec. >> we don't want a wedding at all? >> i mean why mess it up. >> there's a reason people get married. because they love each other and they want to have their child and a real family, married parents. >> married parents. what a concept! university of michigan sociology professor pamela smock studies trends and family formation. pamela, cohabitation is the norm now? >> yep, everybody is co habiting essentially. before marriage, after marriage. john: everybody? >> a select few who don't. those with strong religious convictions, most can expect to cohabit in their lives.

john: we're putting up the census data how it increased. it is astonishing how quickly it's changed in a big way. >> yes, so we had 400,000 couples in 1960 cohabiting and 2013, which you don't have about 8 million couples. i talked to a number of young people who say they would never get married unless they live with the person first, that it would be stupid to do so. john: and i must say that makes sense to me. the celebrities we showed, some of them never got married. but many lived together for, what, a year, and then get married. >> right. overall about 50% of cohabiting couples end up getting married. 40% break up. and about 10% remain cohabiting for a longer time. john: a big difference what socioeconomic group you're

from? >> yeah, it's more like the role of cohabitation in our lives depends what social class one is from. the more privileged people are meeting, dating, and cohabiting, then marrying, with a wedding and having children. so for example. we think of out-of-wedlock births, we know it's high in the u.s. about 41% of all births are out-of-wedlock. 60% of those are taking place to cohabiting couples and not to single women. john: so it's not what we think of as out-of-wedlock. >> correct. john: a previous guest says even if it's by the biological parent, if they don't get married, there's a significant difference. the kids don't do as well. is that true? do you buy that? >> i heard the commentators before. yes, in the main i buy that, if the cohabiting couple is a

stable relationship and remains stable, then the kids can be just as well off. john: it's less likely to be stable? >> yes, that's correct. john: and weirdly with all this cohabitation going on it is banned in florida, michigan and mississippi? >> although, that's only on the books. nobody pays attention to it. john: nobody enforces that. >> no, no. john: thank you, pamela. coming up, you've heard a lot about the debate about gay marriage. when we come back, the debate over families like this one. >> hi, i'm alina, and i'm joe's wife. >> i'm vicky and i'm joe's wife. >> hi, i'm valerie and i'm joe's wife. >> hi, i'm joe. john: joe and his wives make their case for what they call big love, next. passion...

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. >> i just fell in love, and then i fell in love, and fell in love again. >> she's a sister from the same mister and he's a brother from another mother. >> how do you feel when he's off with another woman and you know they're having sex. gosh darn it, they better. john: what? he better have sex with another woman. that's a clip from a reality show about a polygamist family in utah. before sister wives there was a fictional tv show about marriage. >> they're polygamists. >> it's something not natural. >> polygamists on our street, isn't it terrible? >> you think you should have more than one wife. >> not for every man. john: no, i don't suppose it is. the creators of big love created their tv series after they saw the cover of this magazine, mormon focus. it featured alina, vicky and

valerie darger, all now join us with their husband joe, as the woman in the tv series said, this isn't natural, joe. you're not supposed to do this? it's not normal in our society, i don't know about natural. polygamy is the oldest and most traditional form of marriage. john: it is old and common in many parts of the world, but alina, why would you want to share your husband with two other people? >> well, it's part of the faith that i grew up with and i grew up with two mothers, and i loved -- john: and by faith you are independent fundamentalist mormons. >> yep. part of the way, i believe. but also what i get out of it is the time, the joy, it's all about the family. it's not just about me and joe. john: joe married you and vicky at the same time, ten years later, you joined the family. >> yes. john: this is just normal where

you come from. >> polygamy is normal where we come from in joe's family, it's five generations back. my grandfather was a man i deeply respected and he had five wives. it's natural to me when i see it growing up this way. john: there's natural about this. i can hear people saying this. what? how do you share sexually? you don't sleep together. you have times with each wife? >> yeah, and we have rotating basis. one night i'm with one, and the other night the other. john: and you now live in this community with your 25 children. >> yeah. each of us, each of them have, alina has 7, 9 and 9 and we all live in one home together, and for us it's how we choose. i'm in love with all three of them and in love with our family. and it's just very normal and natural for me. john: and i must say, i was

weirded out when i first explored this idea years ago when i was on "20/20". when i was done interviewing a bunch of families, my conclusion is the sister wives like each other more than they like the guy. >> it's happened for sure. somebody asked me one time how we deal with the gender inequality of polygamy. we try to give joe a break every now and then. he can tend to get picked on, on a day when we're all -- >> he's outnumbered. >> if there's something he's done to another wife or there's a difference there, good, i'm having a fight, i'm going to go in for my turn. it's not like that. we are really looking out for one another and looking out for the home. >> we are supportive of one another's relationships. i hear women in the community that are monogamous and they joke a lot about wishing they had a sister wife for this or that reason whether it's companion ship. helping with the children.

john: everybody shares help with the children, it's a community. >> yes. john: which used to be illegal. and have you grandparents who were prosecuted, jailed. >> yes. all of our grandfathers were in prison. we feared the state and the government. i didn't grow up with the idea that police officers were friendly. that fear that we grew up with was not healthy and we had to change that. john: the federal judge in utah recently changed that. that no cohabitation law was illegal. bigamy or trigamy, i don't know what it is with you -- [ laughter ]. john: who are you married to officially? >> legally married to arena. getting multiple marriage licenses is illegal. i can have as many consensual relationships which is all i wanted is to be decriminalized. john: some people say polygamy is a scam, let's people get

away with what animals do. spread his seed. male animals fight for the right to impregnate the whole herd. >> what about that? >> there's many men out spreading seed without taking responsibility. i'm simply taking responsibility for raising children and loving multiple women. i don't think there's any harm in that. john: are you sex slaves or you get to say no? >> well, we're all -- it's like i have a relationship with just him. she has a relationship with just him. the dynamics of our relationship is between he and i and we work that out like a monogamous couple. and no, to answer your question, we're not sex slaves. john: i noticed from the animal kingdom this happens as well. sometime the female says get out of here. the big criticism of communities like yours often

comes from people who say they escaped and this woman is an example of that. she was in a community, she said she had to sneak away. >> polygamy is about harems and prostitution and the subjugation of women and the abuse of children and women. >> abuse of children and women. >> certainly not our experience. john: how common do you think it is? >> i was a former plural wife and that wasn't even necessarily my experience. there was a breakdown in values. john: you were in another community like this, and you left because you just said i'm leaving. >> i didn't have to escape. i went to him and said i'm leaving. this isn't working for me. >> and you joined this group. >> after a time, i joined this group. if i escaped, i wouldn't be coming back into it. john: here's fox's most popular anchor on polygamy. >> you have a dad, seven moms and 35 children, all right?

then you're going to have chaos in the home. >> i agree with you. >> and the state is going to have to be responsible for some of that chaos. john: you're creating chaos and i'm going to have to pay for it. . >> the chaos is people who don't take responsibility and have illegitimate children. i find bill o'reilly who has family values and we're the most traditional family values. we go back to biblical times. >> in biblical times there were slaves, forced marriage, children get abused. who was youngest when you married? >> 19, almost 20. john: are there people in your community who are 12, 13? >> absolutely not. no, that's child abuse and there are laws on the books to take care of that. john: have you written a book about this and you wrote this to tell people you don't have a clue. here's what love is really can be like? >> i love all three deeply.

they love me and we love each other. that's what it was about. john: thank you, joe, alina, vicky, valerie. coming up, the way american lawyers make divorce even more painful. >> your valuables are all going to be sold to pay the and lawyers people like me. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing.

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. john: what happens when dearly beloved is not so dear or beloved? you've heard 50% of american marriages end in divorce. that number is all over the place, but not true. it was based on faulty statistics and media hype. real number is lower. no one is certain what it is. researchers say closer to 40% or 30%. whatever the number it's pretty high. and some couples who think divorce will solve their problems quickly discover that getting divorced creates another problem. >> i've married only four months and our divorce lasted over 6 1/2 years. john: a clip from a new documentary called divorce corp, a lot of divorce is about business. >> it is a business, this is how i feed my family, keep a

roof over my head. put gas in the rolls-royce. john: john calls himself the king of divorce. >> your home, your valuables, they're all going to be sold to pay the lawyers and people like me. john: it sounds so wrong. is it really true? let's ask the documentary's director, joe sorge. >> unfortunately, it's true. john: no, cherry picking the worst cases like we tend to do in the media business? >> we highlighted some of the worst cases. if you look at our facebook site thousands have written in experiencing the same thing. john: attorneys get paid by the hour in the united states. we have this adversarial system not entirely unique to america, we practice it and the lawyers say this is the way you get to the truth. you have a professional arguing one side and the other side and it brings justice. >> but it's not the way we should resolve family matters. there are children involved. people used to love each other, they are having problems, you

don't go into a place where you hurl the worst accusations to the other side and they hurl back. that's a crazy way to resolve a family issue. john: are you saying if the couple doesn't want to hurl the accusations, the lawyers encourage it? >> the adversarial system encourages it. if one side hurls the accusation and you don't hurl back, you could lose. in scandinavia they don't go to court to get divorced or settle custody matters. >> court has to adjudicate what's fair and true? >> no truth in getting a divorce. it's all about going your separate ways and doing what's best for the children. you don't need to have an adversarial fight to take care of the children. in scandinavia they don't have that fight. and get along better after it because of it. john: what do they do in sweden, norway, denmark? >> divide the marital assets. >> by themselves. >> use accountant or mediator or some jointly respected

person but don't go court. john: in america, goes to divorce courts, even if you are right, you pay, every minute fighting you pay your lawyers more. >> the judge says if you win, you have to pay. john: the documentary's filled with what seems like clear injustice. >> my wife, my present wife of 26 years sends my ex-wife who divorced me 30 some years ago sends her a check every day. >> the judge told me i have to work two jobs in order to keep him out of jail. >> the judges make decision after spending very little time on your case. >> the average case in all fairness is maybe five to ten minutes. >> all judges have the same middle name -- god. john: you're saying they're playing god in five minutes. >> in the united states, so many divorces and so few judges. because we have to go through courthouses, the judge has to hear every case. they have five or ten minutes

to decide an issue. that's not time to figure out what's going on in a family or recommend what's good for the family. john: these are officers of the court, the judges and the lawyers, i want to believe they want to do what is good for people? >> i think they want to do what's good for people. they say criminal court are bad people on their best behavior and family court is good people on their worst behavior. that's true. the court system motivates everybody to behave badly. these are good people because of the pressure they're under, the way the laws are written, everybody is motivated to do something that is not healthy for the family. john: the lawyers say without the adversarial system one partner will take advantage of the other. i don't see it happening in sweden. john: the guy who knows where the money is hidden will trick the wife. >> if there's fraud or embezzlement or deceit, that's a case, a civil case. you go to civil court for that. in 99% of cases that doesn't happen and people divide their assets fairly and equally.

john: did you make this mostly because you got divorceed? >> i got divorced. not because i got divorced but what i saw in family court going through the process. i ended up fine. so many people went bankrupt, lost homes, children, what i saw was shocking, and when i thought about a topic for making a documentary, seemed well worth investigating. >> and i notice you haven't remarried. >> not yet. john: you're willing, though. >> once we change the laws! >> thank you, joe sorge. coming up, good news about marriage!

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. john: finally, tonight let's end on a happy note. america has a long history of racism, slavery, and racial violence and displays of racism that make america seem like a very divided country. >> in your [ bleep ] instagram, you don't have to have yourself walking with black people. >> are they better off as slaves? john: let's look at another measure of race relations in america, intramarriage, it's up 28% since the last census ten years back and every year more people from different races choose to marry. there aren't many better ways to show acceptance of racial

difference than this. in 2010 almost one in six new marriages was between people from different races. that's a long way from when i was 11 and this couple, was arrested for violating virginia's racial integrity act. they were sentenced to a year in jail. it took nine years before the supreme court ruling on the loving's case to declare bans on interracial marriage on constitution. to show how far we've come, there are dating websites like this one that cater to americans who like differences, who seek them out. karen tried it to expand her dating options. >> so i went on and met a very nice man. one year after they met, they got married. >> everyone should love who they love and let it be a fact. john: love who you love, regardless of gender or

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