whale's tailfins called, dorsal, fluke? can golden. >> the obvious. dorsal. >> i will go pectoral. with one ashley? ashley: menus win over walls last night. fluke. stuart: i am saying dorsal. show me. it is a fluke. it was a fluke of that you got it, ashley. okay. time is up for "varney and company". stay right there. coast-to-coast starts right now. neil: we are shopping but investors are not buying, despite the fact that retail sales posted their biggest gains since january, the very unexcited the government is entering treasury yields climbing yet no price is falling. i wonder what rich dad poor dad robert carrere psaki makes of that developing?

what about the rest of the market? we will ask him. here are things we know investors are worried about and in this exact way. china in a world of hurt and cutting interest rates to climb out of in a, call. russia doing the offers it. hiking interest rates to 12% to get the ruble out of a deeper hole. investors warning of a downgrade of dozens of us banks, putting financials in a deep hole and last in our list of market concerns, donald trump's fourth indictment since march. this latest action out of georgia makes 91 criminal charges in four criminal cases. problematic for him but shrugging his shoulders from investors who seem to be saying been there done that, trying to get used to that, but have they looked at the latest charges? they are big. the campaign that has routinely

ignored such developments but not for much longer. we report, you rank. welcome, glad to be back. i want to thank my colleagues and friends for doing such a great job in my absence. i'm told they were peachy which is not to be at all confused with of the peach state. and 18 others, including rudy giuliani, mark powell and on and on. here is the latest on this in atlanta. >> all 19 developments have until august 25th, a week from this friday to turn themselves in. unlike the previous three indictments of this one could look different and that is

because the sheriff in fulton county has said donald trump will have a mug shot taken. that hasn't happened yet even though he's been arraigned 3 times. all 19 developments in this case face a total of 41 felony charges among trump's codefendants, his former chief of staff, mark meadows, rudy giuliani and john eastman. the charges stem from the president, his staff and lawyers, attempts to change results of the election in georgia. trump himself facing 13 new charges from racketeering to multiple conspiracy charges and more. >> many occurred in georgia and some occurred in other jurisdictions and are included because the grand jury believes they were part of the illegal effort to overturn the results of georgia's 2020 presidential election.

>> the former president, and claiming this indictment, and this time around even trump's critics say the indictment is excessive. >> he has been charged, by jack smith. and to a federal prosecution. and this was unnecessary. >> the district attorney, and there were won't be a trial at all. he has evidence on monday, would exonerate him.

>> andrew mccarthy, assistant us attorney and fox news contributor and ask a series of simplistic questions but allow me to catch up here. one is if there's a conviction on any of these other charges, 91 in all, would that be out of the presidential running, with the conviction change that or constitutional will hiccup running as regardless? >> the only qualification for the presidency is one has to be over 35, natural born citizen. there are no other qualifications. they could impeach him if they thought he was anything or anything else they were aware of.

>> using the racketeering, that was generally reserved in the past. for the most part. usually mob thinkers. i'm wondering, is -- is this case a bit of a stretch? forget the overlap with what mr. smith is doing. i am wondering if there's potential of this looking like a reach. and smith's case, slavery owning times and making some charges against the former president there as well. >> if it makes you feel better, in my old life, those irish guys, i feel your pain. i think that it is a mistake for to have brought this case. i know she says she has experience in these prosecutions. i don't think this is a well

thought out rico and in a nutshell, the problem she has, the main thing that was the objective of the people she tried to cast as racketeering was to retain trump, this is a fleeting objective, it was not them generating thing. the reason you have that, rico, there's an economic purpose to it, they generated through a series of crimes et cetera. here, the objective was not to be a member of a group like it was in a mafia case where the objective was to be a member of the mafia generally, through its activities. the objective was a lawful one, which they may have had unlawful means occasionally to get over the finish line to retain trump in power.

that's not the glue that keeps a racketeering organization together. she is groping for a crime. what she needs is a simple conspiracy that has a simple objective. it is an agreement by two or more people to violate another law, a criminal raw, retaining trump in office was a crime then she would have an easy, simple, straight line conspiracy. she doesn't have that because the objective is not illegal even if some of the means they used to try to obtain the objective may have been. neil: she wants a speedy trial. everyone on the prosecution side wants a speedy trial for various cases. the former president wants to push this back. how is that kind of stuff resolved? >> i have been in a case with

22 defendant's where we went to verdict. that remains the longest federal criminal trial in american history. back in the 80s. we took two years to get to trial and i then did a terrorism case the 90s where we started with 12 defendants and that took two years to get to trial as well. here, she's not only indicted 19 people. she has indicted a bunch of people who are lawyers. these lawyers get more lawyers and they file, people remember what the manhattan phonebook looked like in ancient times. the motions in this case will be very extensive. i can't see this case getting to trial, and part of the state system, it is an inherently

political political system. a lot of what fanny willis wanted to achieve here, they achieved by filing the indictment. neil: what makes the georgia case problematic. the president can't parton himself. they would have to be a requirement that if convicted on anything, 5 years in prison before he could be pardoned at all. not by the governor but by a state board of paroles and pardons. that could weigh on the former president. this could be the most delicate of all. >> this goes to your first question. and as a practical matter.

and even elected to the presidency, looking to say, and if they were convicted of it, looking at a mandatory 5 years in georgia state prison, that would put us in a place we 've never been before and if somebody tells you they know how that will come out, they are either under and illusion or smoking something. neil: i'm encouraged the irish brought rico statutes as well. thank you for keeping that fair and balanced. to mike tobin, following the president of the united states, going to milwaukee. that might ring a bell, that's where martha maccallum would be. by design, i assume, what is going on. >> reporter: it is by design. it is official business, makes it feel like a campaign stop. they will bang the drum about

the administration of number one bragging point, the inflation reduction act. even the president has said he wished he quoted something else. in 2024, when he signed it into law, that is about is clean energy agenda. >> president biden: biggest step forward on climate ever, is going to allow us to boldly take additional steps to reach my climate goals. >> you mentioned the timing. cannot be ignored. the president stopping in milwaukee for the republican debate. this is president biden getting in his rebuttal for the republican candidates to lay their narrative down. many republicans for the sizing the president's main selling point. >> for american families, spending more and getting less. you saw the numbers from a year ago, july, 3% increase in

groceries and energy costs for american families. >> there will be tax incentives from the inflation reduction act, $3 billion in private sector clean energy investment in wisconsin, $110 billion nationwide. speaking at a company which has been building wind turbine generators and electric vehicle charging stations, the president will address the wildfires in hawaii, dodging two subjects, 100 biden, the other donald trump. neil: want to go to mark tobin, and uncanny read of these markets. i want to start differently if you don't mind, talking about consumers are still buying, retail sales the strongest since january but corporate board room appetite to purchase their own stock showing no

abandon right now. if you look at the trend of it, $15 billion share buyback, apple, $90 billion, chevron $79 billion, that is over many quarters. >> super remarkable when you think of it the way you presented it with apple being a $3 trillion company. i can understand home depot doing $15 million because stock has been lagging the market, they believe it is undervalued which i totally get and i agree with that assessment but apple, $3 trillion market cap, that's pretty remarkable. neil: when companies purchase their own stock back, what do you as an investor think of it? >> that's one hundred% bullish. if you think you have insider buying and insider selling and

stock buybacks which will speak to whether or not a stock should go up or down but when we talk about stock buybacks, for company to be committing to buying that $15 billion of stock. it thinks the economy is not in ruins like a lot of people expect. the fed fund futures are still inclined over for rate cuts next year, that's a recessionary way of thinking. lauren: 20 you agree with that? >> no. we would have to be in a bad recession. once you see the very last hike on average it takes 6 months before the first cut. i don't think we will see 4 or 5 cuts next year. that would imply a recession. if you look at fortune 500 publicly traded ceos, buying back company stock i don't believe they believe we are headed for recession. that sound like a net positive for the economy.

neil: most money managers are turning bullish, that is the counter and when you look at the vicks, the volatility measure, it is a staple to the point of being sanguine. the contrarian in you would say now we have to do that. >> that's the first thing the ghost are in my mind, you go back to march of this year, you have banks beginning to fail and the right move for money managers in march, who would have thought this would be the right move but the right move was to get more aggressive to invest in more profitless check and to focus on that ai narrative. that's the right move. any prudent money manager after seeing silicon valley banking, first to go down would have said maybe we should get more defense event take some chips

off the table and obviously that proved a lot of money managers wrong. my gut feeling is money managers have been proven wrong, they are accountable to their clients and are trying to play catch up as relates to performance. neil: are you bullish? >> i am bullish. we are positioned defensively. most are in dividend paying strategies which have lagged the market this year. it has been crazy, at&t as well, stocks don't do much but you could pocket a healthy dividend. we are bullish. i believe the economy may have reached a peak from gdp standpoint and things trend towards the 0 line and negative by q1 or q2, i believe that.

and and we are bullish but realistic. we can just, for catalysts going on around us. >> it is going too fast. >> we have heard from a lot of candidates in the republican party. and you don't hear it from columbia university economics professor who breaks the numbers case as to why that might be a good idea after this. if you wake up thinking about the market and want to make the right moves fast... get decision tech from fidelity. [ cellphone vibrates ]

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they look at it from the numbers side and agrees with them. good to have you. >> good to be with you. neil: you can explain better than i did where you are coming from on this. you don't question the bravery of the ukrainian people but you are questioning good money following bad. explained that. >> i'm questioning the whole premise of the war because ukraine is being destroyed. tens of thousands of ukrainians are dying every month. the us has no strategy other than to keep this going past the 24 election, that's the president's game plan. ukraine is winning this. counteroffensive is stalled or worse. this has been predictable all along. the us turned down every

opportunity to find a negotiated offramp to this even before this war started that would have left ukraine intact. now it gets worse and worse. ukraine is bleeding its loss, millions of the population who exited the country. there are hundreds killed and there is no plan. biden is asking for more money in the basic idea is keep it going without admitting there is no offramp and no plan for success. get through the next election so you don't have to admit anything. blue on the flipside of that is look what has happened to russia. it has been humiliated on a global scale. ineffective and feckless army have proven a huge disappointment. in that regard it worked like a charm. what do you say? >> the fact of the matter is

other than the new york times or some of the other mainstream media i don't think it is true of your network, your channel but you read a lot and you hear that line but most of the world is not on the us's side. this is one of the shocks to the us government but quite predictable to me because i work all over the world, do international economics. i knew from the beginning you don't have the world outside, the world is going to continue to trade with russia and do business, china and russia have a closer alliance, middle eastern countries have come closer to the russia china alliance, latin america the same way and there's a reason for it because most of the world feels this was a war that never had to happen. my view is russia said to the us there's a redline, we don't

want nato on our 2300 km border. neil: if you look at all the nato countries saying they will put up the good fight, you say behind the scenes, that is fracturing as well? >> europe is in recession. clearly every political leader in favor of this war in europe is unpopular and many are falling. this is a war that has no exit ramp because -- neil: to your view, more and more are saying what you are saying whether people agree or disagree. does russia get something to leave, does it paying on, other parts in the eastern part of the country, some under control, how do you see it ending? >> i don't know of one leader in the world and i talked to many of them, not one, and in the us also the believes crimea

is ever going back, crimea has been part of russia since 1783, home to the russian naval fleet. that's one of the reasons for this war, the united states wanted to grab crimea, put it into nato and russia said no way. that is not going to happen. nato will never enlarge ukraine, they won't tell the truth and russia - in washington. if they did this could end and at negotiated settlement. that's a tragedy of it. they hint at it in ways like the nato summit a few weeks ago that it is not going to happen but they are embarrassed to say it. tens of thousands of ukrainians are dying every month, this is going to go on and on and they are just hoping to play it out.

the answer is it will end in a negotiated outcome that will face political issues in which ukraine will be neutral because that is the way for to actually be safe and peaceful and that is how it will end in the end, but biden will never tell the truth on it so it may not end on his watch. >> donald trump says he could end this in a day. you part of that ending in a day would be along the lines you just stipulated? >> if ukraine is neutral, before the united states stopped him from saying it this war could end quickly. that is the truth. stuart: thank you. love seeing you again. they say when it comes to that, charlie gasparino reports if

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whole notion the david wise, special prosecutor, can't keep track, changing his title. neil: he is seeing it through. charles: a trump appointee, there is this whole thing about whether he slow walked the investigation and cut a crazy deal with hunter biden. neil: he was behind the plea-bargain. charles: what the white-collar crime regulator told me, every bank has a know your customer rule. if you do any transaction on $10,000, they have to track it and figure if it is suspicious or not. if you do transactions repeatedly with foreign entities they are really tracking and issue what is known as suspicious activity reports.

what makes no sense about david wise's investigation is why in concluding it, there's no indication he went to hunter biden's banks, don't know who they are, us banks. neil: these are transactions you wouldn't be able to follow. charles: where he did his money, where did they come from and where did it go and in whose pockets you could find every transaction. neil: easy thing to do. >> it is investigation. . 20 do we know for a fact it wasn't done? charles: representative comeer's people running the investigation, they are thinking, they are doing it. neil: might be doing it now. any evidence that he is? charles: we don't know. she's not answering. . 20 that would be a tell all. millions of dollars. charles: tens of millions. if he didn't do the report, go

to the bank, say it's jpmorgan, hand me everything and do business overseas, they do have evidence this guy slow walked this or tried to kill it. it's plausible at that point if they didn't do the basics. neil: republicans have no faith in him to see this through. neil: charles: i stay away from conspiracies but it is interesting, giving him special prosecutor designation when republicans are calling him in and going to ask what banks did you go to, what did you do? neil: sounds like they are going to go full throttle. are you confident in that? charles: i have no idea. neil: have hunter biden got money, did any of it go to the debt? we don't know but that is what

they want to find out. charles: they can find every count that he threw money into. did he do -- he was looking at this for four years. if he didn't, it is like -- it is the easiest thing, they do it with trump every day. here's your account. what money came in and out of. neil: they did it with you. charles: that's why they picked up that i picked up these things. you and i have people taking shots at us. so they give you that, the battalions, my ancestors, it isn't what you think it is. that is off of it. i brought you a special present. that is another horn that holds

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>> right now buffett is on the sideline with $147 billion. his money using is in short-term treasuries. and the big short short the market right now. so that is above my brainpower. a commodities guy. i watched them waiting for the market to crash than rollback in. there's a lot of money on the sideline in short-term treasuries. neil: it is not fair to call them alternative investments of silver and gold and take a look, not to lump them together but they don't have to be in a down stock market, with cases of their own. how do you play that?

>> i personally thank you. for 25 years you've been on my side and i say the same old stuff. i say -- i was on your show, you can purchase those for $4 and this is gold. i forget what this was. short-term, quick lesson in economics. on my show, this was $5, it took about 5 of these things. it takes 30 of these things to buy the same amount. and that's why 4 years. i would rather save gold and silver. and i'm a real estate guy. that i died and went to heaven.

i'd don't do that today. >> if you look at the turn of stocks over extended time. the return is stronger than it would be for precious metals. what do you say to that? >> choose your asset class wisely. a lot of people say diversify. i like gold and silver. this is my company here. i take it public on the stock exchange. i have stocks. i control the stock. my message to everybody's this. if you can print it i don't want it. and millions of ways for this to happen like jim rogers and i like commodities.

i like things you can see, touch, and feel. neil: they are things, not pieces of paper. when do we abandon, part of this list for these other alternatives and commodities, it looks like paper it is prophetic, not worth it anymore. >> my dad always said to me make your mind up which is your asset class. i flunked out of school. on not good at writing. i wrote a best-selling book and we all have different strengths and different weaknesses. the most important thing, to have friends like you around we can bounce ideas off of. there's many ways you can go to heaven financially. might happen with commodities like jim rogers and used it for

money. they don't have cash. and they have a book about. neil: the guy who doesn't have that much, the one of the most iconic books of the century. always love seeing you. we need to hear those things. may not like them or endorse them. we entertain all here. we examine them in great detail. in the meantime looking at that devastating fire in maui, robert ray has more. >> good morning here, 3,000 feet up the mountain, one of 3 fires that burned, 65% containment up here.

you see the rubble of someone's home. everyone reduced to ash. the pipes collapsed. you have would that is completely fried out and someone's kitchen materials here. this is just a nasty scenario as the odor of smoke emanates as the sun has just come up and we look at the west side of maui and take a look at the flames and aftermath. that situation occurred, 99 people lost their life with the number likely to rise significantly according to officials. they search for human remains one week after. we are looking at survivors. one woman's story. listen. >> we had a police officer come to a neighborhood and tell us they were evacuating. off the top here, down the loop, got the kids and parents

out and got out before this happened to the house. we are okay, we are hanging in. it is hard to digest and hard to accept and it is easier as the days go on. >> reporter: the thing is this is her home, one of her pieces of furniture. you have parts here and she will be back here trying to look for remnants of her past life. no one injured, over 20 houses have burned, 65% containment. we still see hotspots in the distance. so much work to do and they are still searching for the human remains. neil: just incredible. thank you for that. more after this. providing for your family is a top priority.

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adam: concerns in china, inflationary concerns, some say we might have to get used to higher level of prices. the us consumer is stronger than investors think in the face of streaming services. they are rising at 25% year, they are absorbing that. jackie: are you canceling your prescriptions? neil: got to the guv how we have done this and one day it will be the same cost the cable was. neil: whatever i want yes. taylor: very nice of you. taylor: i'm taylor riggs. brian: i'm brian brenberg. jackie: and i'm jackie deangelis. welcome to "the big money show".