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jeff green -- ♪ larry: hello, folks, welcome to "kudlow," i'm larry kudlow. so iran's attack on israel was stopped doled. cold but we wait for israeli attack on iranian assets and finally a final nile ages of hamas. we'll have joni ernst and alvin bragg's dumb trial against trump, should have never been brought in the first place. today is tax day. do you know where all your tax money has gone? no one knows. we'll ask steve moore and kevin hassett. is up aishah hasnie has details from capitol hill. what can you tell us. >> reporter: larry, good afternoon to you. house republicans are heading back to the hill. they will huddle tonight in a conference meeting at 5:30 p.m. if he hasn't already, speaker mike johnson will have earful to

bring aid to israel to the floor, what that will look like. he has heard from president biden. i can tell you the white house, along with leaders schumer around mcconnell and house democratic leader hakeem jeffries, all calling on johnson to take up the senate passed foreign aid package over $90 billion, that includes ukraine aid as well. all of this urgency comes as the white house is trying to defend president biden from using the word don't to try to prevent that attack on israel from iran. now johnson actually, go ahead and listen, i think we have the sound. >> is president biden considered maybe beefing up the public iran posture to be more than just one word? >> you're referring to don't. >> yeah. and they did it anyway. so now what. >> let's talk about what we did, peter. let's talk about don't and did, let's talk about saturday night. he made it clear he didn't want

to see escalation in the region. when he had inkling this was coming even more military resources tote region. destroy is capable of shooting down ballistic missiles. fighter-squadrons looking to shoot down drones. that's what we did. >> reporter: don't talk about doesn't and what we did. johnson could pass a stand-alone aid bill. he passed an israel aid bill with pay-fors. that is stuck in the senate right now. the house freedom caucus said with a letter is need for israel aid, is bogus to cram through ukraine aid with no off set of. some conservatives are pressuring johnson to hold the line. >> hold your ground, show some cajones, show intestinal fortitude. you passed aid for israel. tell chuck schumer when he wants to take it up take it up but it will be paid for t will be a

great precedent if speaker johnson will stick by his guns. >> reporter: we'll learn more after tonight's conference meeting. could get contentious in there. larry: one quickie from your excellent report, i know no one knows, no human being on the planet knows, they meet at 5:30 today but do you think mr. johnson, do you think mr. johnson will keep a border provision in whatever foreign aid bill comes out? >> reporter: well that's the one of thing that has been lost in all of this, right? so many conservatives wanted border provisions as part of this foreign aid package, global security package that got lost in the entire conversation when the senate passed this ukraine aid/israel aid package. this is not even coming up in a topic of conversation. i want to remind you, larry, the house is going to send articles of impeachment for secretary mayorkas tomorrow about 2:00. once they do that, the senate

freezes they cannot take anymore action. schumer has to figure out how he will do both things at the same time, walk and chew gum as soon as they get the articles. a lot of conservatives told me privately, border has to come first, even before israel. >> i have heard the same. aishah hasnie thank you very, very much, i appreciate it. a couple words from me on the israeli story. take the win, mr. biden reportedly told mr. prime minister benjamin netanyahu. that seems useless as don't. mr. biden's statement before iran's sought on israel. didn't work very well either, did it? one of our distinguished fox news reporters labeled don't a while back. originally the biden statement before russia invaded ukraine. labeled don't as something you say to your dog who insists on pulling your sock. i think "the wall street journal" editorial pain has a better idea that israel is justified in attacking iran's assets

including military assets. don't is just failed u.s. deterrence and don't doesn't work with iran because the bidens eased the economic and oil sanctions. then they freed up tens of billions of frozen funds and also haplessly tried to renegotiate a nuclear deal and another don't is, don't blame it on donald trump who enforced the sanctions and bankrupted iran and took out soleimani. earlier today i have spoke with robert o'brien, the former national security advisor to president trump and o'brien believes that israel should bomb iranian drone and missile factories which would be proportionate, limited, carefully targeted action t would probably be well received by the europeans since they would welcome an end to iran's drone sales to russia in the ukraine war. mr. o'brien has a long track

record as a superb national security strategist. then according to o'brien, the next important israel action should be to finish the job against hamas. he frets that the israelis have already waited too long to cover hamas because the jewish state is always concerned about the civilian casualty toll and of course the issue of horse damages. so mr. o'brien counsels an effective but proportionate israeli strike by israel against iran and then wipe out hamas, once and for all. i think it's wise words from a tough america first strategist and someone who understands the importance of defending freedom against this new world of global threats. any way for more on all of this let's bring in iowa senator joni ernst, chair of the republican policy committee. senator ernst, welcome. don't doesn't work.

you won the game doesn't work. why not listen to robert o'brien, you know him very well a very savvy national security strategist. a proportionate response by israel would be to knock out some of these drone factories, knock out missile factories. the europeans might like it because, iran is selling drones to russia in the ukraine war. what do you make of that? do you think that's a possibility? >> yes, i think it is the right thing to do and thank you, larry, very much. former nsa robert o'brien is spot on and israel does need to target and push back on iran. this cannot go unpaid back. we simply must see them respond in like to iran. unprecedented iran directly attacking israel, not going through proxies. not using hamas or hezbollah but going directly on israel. the united states also has a role to play in this.

one, we need to pass the supplemental package in whatever form it takes. make sure we're able to provide the munitions and the platforms necessary for israel to defend itself but then we can also provide targeting. we can support with logistics, whatever it might happen to be, we have a role as well, to help our friend and major partner in the middle east, israel. larry: you know, just strikes me, senator earns, the biden advice here, unlike the o'brien advice, the biden advice to israel is do nothing else. i think that shortchanges israel. i think that plays into iranian hands and i think that plays into the whole access of evil, you know, china, russia, north korea, iran. i mean to me, that isn't helping anybody but our enemies? >> oh, absolutely, larry. you and i discussed this before. president biden is on mission of

appeasement with authoritarian regimes around the world. he has to step up and show leadership. he has failed in every aspect, as you mentioned from the iran nuclear agreement where we basically unlocked billions of dollars for irrun to use on purchasing these drones and missiles to target, not only israelis but american servicemembers in the middle east. think about the three servicemembers from georgia, those were serving in the army reserves at tower 22 that were killed by the very missiles that were, drones that were purchased by those dollars that biden freed up for them. not enforcing iran's sanctions on their oil. allowing the illicit sale of oil at five-year all-time high and to the tune of $80 billion. again, those funds go to the terrorists proxies and for the targeting of americans abroad.

so it needs to stop. the president needs to stand up. i have a bipartisan bill in the senate, it is mirrored in the house which would force the president to enforce those iranian sanctions on their oil. he kneads to do it -- needs to do it today. larry: should have probably done it yesterday. senator ernst, the one distraction i don't want to distract, is the need for israel to crows the deal on hamas, cover hamas, annihilate hamas, destroy hamas. they will make some action to presumably retaliate against iran. most people are for that. they have to close the deal on hamas. to some extent in terms of the existential fight to maintain the israeli state, that to me is the most single biggest issue. hamas, end it right now, just knock them out. >> i agree completely.

hamas has to be gone. they need to release the prisoners as well. we know hamas was holding rates american prisoners, five of whom are still presumed to be alive. we need them home with their families today. but hamas has to go. they are funded largely in part by iran. israel should take them out and americans, you need to understand, this will always be a threat to the existence of israel. they need to be allowed to move forward with, whatever they choose to do militarily to get rid of hamas. the united states and others should not be interfering with what israel wants to do militarily. this is, we would not accept this if someone came to us after 9/11 and said, stop going after the terrorists. we shouldn't allow it to happen it israel. larry: pardon me, senator ernst, last one, a few seconds,

potential heart break story, we don't know. no one seems to know what hostages are still there, what hostages are alive. israeli hostages, american hostages. as i'm sure you saw very disturbing reports in "the wall street journal" and elsewhere on friday and saturday before this iranian attack. i mean what about the hostages? who knows? >> exactly and we keep pressuring the egyptians and the qataris to step up and do more to get these hostages home. senator ted budd and i have been extremely involved with the hostage families, working with officials in israel to make sure those hostages are returned but we know that hamas is not treating them well. they don't even allow the red cross to go in to deliver medication, to see for the welfare of those hostages. so we will stay on this, larry, but bottom line we have to get those folks home to their families. they need to be cared for and

again hamas needs to be wiped off the face of the planet. larry: well-said. senator joni ernst, thank you very much. we appreciate it very much. >> thank you, larry. larry: coming up here on "kudlow," eight years later, seven months before the 2024 election a trial should never have happened in a case that d.a. alvin bragg should never have brought, come on. we'll talk about it with alan dershowitz and gregg jarrett, just election interference nonsense. can't get a fair trial. "kudlow" is going to return. remember catch "kudlow" monday through friday 4:00 p.m. every day right here on fox. if for some reason you can't catch us at 4:00, text your favorite nine-year-old and she will show you how to dvr the show. you will never miss a single thing. we don't need the bragg trial, no, no.pp ♪ or turn. do you charge forward? freeze in your tracks?

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larry: trump trial, eight years later, 4 months before the 2024 election and trial shouldn't happen and a case alvin bragg shouldn't have brought. here to talk about this, alan dershowitz, emeritus, harvard law school, gregg jarrett, fox news legal analyst, author of the constitution of the united states and other

patriotic documents. gregg, what is up with this, what is up with this case? >> this is the most tortured, convoluted cob a mamie case i even a prosecutor bring. i've been a lawyer for 40 years. this is punitive and quite blatantly politically motivated. bragg is contorting the law, taking an expired misdemeanor, attaching it to a federal campaign finance violation that isn't a violation at all. once more, he is not actually charging that underlying crime because he has no jurisdiction and authority as a local prosecutor to do that. the federal election commission and the department of justice looked at this and said this isn't a campaign donation. there is no crime here but enter alvin bragg who thinks he knows better and can prove the case but frankly all he has got going

for him is a biased, trump-hating judge and a jury pool that i am afraid is virulently adverse too donald trump. it will be tough for him to get a fair and i am partial jury. larry: professor dershowitz, as gregg said the justice department looked at this and rejected it. the federal election commission looked at it and rejected it. the other one that is interesting. cy vance, jr., moderate democrat, whether that is fair or not, he is an old friend of mine, and he didn't want to bring it. why is bragg bringing it other than a pure election year politics? is there a eye tote at that at f judicial meaning of this case? >> the of course not. this is the only reason to keep donald trump out of pennsylvania, and out of

wisconsin, keep him out of arizona, keep him out of other states. this is direct election interference. the purpose of this trial is to keep him from campaigning, to give the advantage to joe biden and his campaign. now i'm not a trump supporter politically but i know unfairness when i see it. i would like to see trump defeated on the merits without election interference, fairly and squarely in a way that he can't complain, that republicans who voted for him can't complain and the new york district attorney is denying the people of america the right to a fair election and there is nothing to this case, nothing whatsoever. there is no misdemeanor here. if there was misdemeanor here alexander hamilton would have gone to jail. he paid hush-money to cover up an affair with a married woman and he didn't list it on his treasury department forms. nobody in american history, i

submit, nobody in world history has ever been indicted for failing to disclose hush-money. why would anybody ever pay hush-money if they had an obligation to disclose it? it is an oxymoron. it is not even an misdemeanor. they turn the misdemeanor into a felony going outside the jurisdiction of the state courts invoking a prosecution which the federal prosecutors declined to bring. larry: right. >> this is outrageous. i would hope trump's lawyers bring a mandamus right now, at the very least, let trump out of the courtroom. let him campaign. if he makes a decision that he would like to waive the right to be there. there is nothing in the constitution which gives the prosecution the right to keep him there. it is only a defendant's right. if the defendant chooses to leave the court, whether to go to son's graduation from school which apparently the judge

didn't grant or campaign in pennsylvania, he has the right to do that. that is constitutional case that should be brought immediately. larry: gregg jarrett, can you get a fair trial in new york? >> of course not. of course not. >> i'm skeptical that you can. what i would want is a working class juror who hates and really resents the fact that crime runs rampant on the streets of new york and you've got this progressive district attorney alvin bragg who doesn't care whether it is a shooting or an assault on the street. you know, he allows people to go free and instead he is bringing this victimless crime, that is so specious on its face, against donald trump and of course the judge today ordered trump to be there every day or he was going to toss trump in jail. the professor is absolutely

right. this is election interference. they want to take him off the campaign trail for the next two months, to benefit joe biden and damage donald trump. i think they're underestimating the intelligence of the american voter. they see this for what it is, dirty, legal tricks, lawfare, in order to interfere with an election and i, you know, look at the poll numbers. there seems to a backlash against this in favor of trump because they see him not as a villain but as a victim of a crooked system of justice run by biden democrats. >> i would agree with jarrett. we're on television, with gregg, if it were on television but the american public is being denied the right to see how the american justice system is being distorted. there is no reason for this trial not to be on television. if we saw this case every day on television, voters would be appalled, be appalled but they

will read about it in "the new york times." they will hear about it on msnbc. they will hear about it on cnn and they're going to think, wow, this is the strongest case that has ever been brought because we have a total distortion. just to go back 25, 30 years, the polls show that people who watched the actual o.j. simpson case on television were not surprised at the result. if they read about it in "the new york times" and saw about it on cnn they were shocked because they, what really know what really went on in the courtroom. the same thing is true here f they just read about it through the filter of the left-wing media, they're going to think this is a good, strong case. but if they actually saw it for themselves they would be outraged and appalled. that is why this case should be on television. larry: we'll do the best we can here on fox. we'll try to cover those hopes on fox as best we can. professor alan dershowitz, gregg jarrett, thank you very much. coming up here on "kudlow," i bet you didn't know it, today

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♪. larry: april 15th, here we are, it's tax day. do you know where your money went? no one knows. our own grady trimble standing by. i don't think he knows but he will try to know. grady, what have you got? >> reporter: some is going back to taxpayers in the form of refunds which by the way are higher this year than last. part of the reason for that the

irs adjusted the standard deduction and tax rates higher to offset inflation. the treasury department and the irs say the average refund, a little over $3,000 this year, about 123 bucks more than a year ago. taxes as you know, are becoming a major political issue this election cycle. former president trump touting his tax cuts on the trail, pushing for more cuts while president biden is saying el raise he'll raise them on the wealthy and corporations. >> house republicans with the one vote majority are only thing standing by taxes and higher inflation president biden wants to impose toward families. >> reporter: president biden will take his tax message to his hometown crowd in scranton, pennsylvania. >> the way we see the company is

different than the republicans see the economy. we have a economy that works for you will. the wealthiests among us, bills nays and corporations pay their fair share we believe the way to go, not putting that burden on everyday americans. >> reporter: as the white house talks about raising taxes, this tax day more americans than ever say in our latest "fox news poll" that the taxes they're paying are just too high. larry? larry: grady, i'm so tired of listening to that. for heavens sakes the top 1% pay almost half the income tax. i'm sorry. you're just a reporter. we appreciate it very much. honest to good i'm so sick to death about this. let's talk about this steve moore, committee to unleash prosperity hotline. host of "moore money" on wabc radio. kevin hassett, former chair of council of economic advisors, distinguished fellow at the hoover institution, author of the drift, stopping america's slide to socialism. steve forbes, media chair,

editor-in-chief, forbes media and you author of. steve forbes, you look very depressed today. do you know where your money is gone. honest to god, she says that, that all biden has to say, full extent of his tax policy analysis the rich should pay their share fair and they don't, and paying a fortune and everybody knows that. >> as said before inflation is a tax, hidden sales tax. larry: oh. >> who gets hurt the most, we know who they are, tens of millions of people living paycheck to paycheck up to their eyeballs in credit card debt, interest rates going up. we've discussed here before. what is the real rate of inflation. it is not 3%. it is 7% when you include interest payments. you have to pay interest every month. got as high as 18%. joe biden is taxing the people who have the least, yet he is babbling on getting to the rich. all this is not about revenue this is about control. it is not about growth. it is about controlling people's

lives. >> we looked, kevin, we looked at, one of the producers, total revenues through 22, fiscal '22 is the last year of statistics of income from the irs. anyway, total revenues are up 40% above where they were in 2017 when the trump tax cuts were put in, 40% increase in revenues, and i just want to add, we're still running a roughly two trillion dollar budget deficit, know matter how much money you tax, no how many revenues you flow in, the biden deficits are endless. >> that is absolutely true and the shameless thing, you were angry listening to those fake talking point of the white house. the amazing thing they just keep saying that over and over and over, year after year, and they don't really seem to have any commitment to the truth about economic policy. and so i really don't understand how a honorable person on the

economic team can stand this to allow them to say things like that. your job is to help run the economy, with smart policies. if you want more progressive taxation you can talk about how to do that without harming the economy. but to lie about it over and over is infour rating. the fact corporate revenue has doubled since we cut the corporate rate because of the laffer curve effect. the share of you guys shown in your newsletter, the share of taxes paid by the top 1% has gone up, not down. this idea that you have to raise tax rates because of this incredible injustice to society. it is incorrect. it is inconsistent and it is a lie. larry: fix the tax code, steve moore, you have 30 second. >> i have the best advisor in the country to do that, steve forbes, who ran on the flat tax. look, our enemies couldn't come up with a tax system that makes less sense than what we have right now. it is a total disgrace to the human race. we could do much better. how about this one, steve and

larry, kevin, how about an optional flat tax. you can have the complicated civil that nobody can figure out, or you pay, what was your rate? >> 17%, after $53,000 of salary for a family of four. >> you get deduction for yourself and your kids, right? >> yes. >> you pay 17%. i think you have the postrecovery return, i bet the vast majority of americans would go for that. that would be like rocket fuel for the economy. imagine we have a 17% tax rate. biden wants 50%. we suck capital from the rest of the world. i want steve forbes to be the treasury secretary. larry: he could be the treasury secretary. kevin hassett, what about extending the trump tax cuts, that wouldn't be a bad place to start? because they were contrary to karine jean-pierre and joe biden they were successful. >> sure. larry: thereby partisan economists, academics looked at

the corporate tax cuts, wait a second they were successful. moreover everybody got a tax cut and correct me if i'm wrong, kevin, the tax code became more progressive, not less progressive. >> yeah, that's right. real wages went up as well. so you're actually helping out the little guy but the fact is, this is where the election comes up, that the tax cut are the almost all of them are set to expire. some like the expensing are phasing out right now. steve scalise can say we republicans are only thing between you and tax hike that joe biden is planning. actually, they can't stop it. they can't stop it because it is going to happen unless there is active legislation to -- personal side. larry: personal side. >> yes. all the personal income tax stuff expires. it will expire unless there is positive action. touch control congress and control the white house. larry: recommend me, recommend me, this is unfair, recommend me an option, trump comes in say for argument sake trump wins,

what does he do? >> he makes the tax cuts permanent. i would increase or reduce the corporate rate even more and i would think about cutting spending a lot and using it to finance something like a payroll tax cut because i think the payroll tax is a tax on work. we need more workers out there in order to increase supply and reduce inflation. that is what i would do. >> steve moore, the merits of a flat tax notwithstanding and we favor the principle, the reality there will have to be a lot of spending restraints and economic growth to fill in the gaps, to extend the trump tax cuts or do something like a payroll tax cut which by and large would be a middle class tax cut. >> otherwise we'll get a wealth tax. that is the real agenda, but in terms of a tax cut, start with trump but double it. and cut rates. realize this is a down payment for a real overhaul of the tax code. that is what he should way. this is biway to overhaul the tax code, removing this burden

on you. why are we spending six billion hours a year, $300 billion on a corrupt code no one understands. imagine if that went for medical research? imagine if that went for new products and services how much better off we would be? the opportunity costs is huge. larry: can you grow the economy at 3 1/2% a year -- >> six 1/2. larry: i mean -- >> that's the average we had. larry: if you make it pay more to work after tax, if you make it pay more to invest, after tax, why won't you get an incentive effect that would get us out of this 2% growth and into something much freighter? >> i love the way you're thinking because what's the cbo long time, at 1.7% or something? >> right. >> should be twice that. you will get the revenue. when reagan came in and they did the tax cuts in like 1months you you -- 18 months you grew the economy 18% something like that. quick question, you know what country in europe has the

fastest economic growth. larry: yes. >> who? larry: ireland. >> you know what their corporate tax rate is? 12 1/2%. >> you know who defended the prime minister in the oval office? i did. i did. people were ganging up on the poor guy. that's right. if you tax something less you get more of it. that is why i raise the point. if president trump wins, if he is reelected he will look to extend the tax cuts but he will also look for something that might be more directed at the middle class. that's why i asked you, kevin and your point is you're going to have to cut spending. i will do it. not a bad goal. you have to have a balanced budget approach in there someplace. the rest could be made up by growth or not? >> yeah. but there's a lot of room to cut spending, right. spending is trillion dollars higher than we thought it would be when you and i were in the white house pre-covid. that is a trillion dollars a year basically is the biggest fiscal policy opportunity in history. so the republicans get in there

with reconciliation, they're starting with, if they cut spending back where it was 2019 with $10,000,000,000,000.10 years to play with. >> 350 billion-dollar green energy slush fund a third of what you need. >> green schemes out. >> which probably comes to a trillion dollars. >> probably. larry: the misnamed inflation reduction act probably coming to a trillion dollars according to penn wharton. steve forbes i want to come to the actual economy today. long-term interest rates up to 4.63, the 10-year treasury. retail sales out today, probably stronger than wall street expected. the price of gold is soaring. i think it moved through $2400 today. what is your read on the economy? >> the economy is growing. however, the gold price, commodity price is telling us the dollar is wobbly even though other currencies are even worse. the fed has problems ahead and

you don't cure it by raising interest rates, depressing the economy of the stablize the dollar as good as gold as greenspan sort of did in the 1990s, you will see the dollar stablize and the economy grow and the fed can take a long-term vacation. leave the economy alone. is, joe biden's numbers. larry: joe biden's numbers narrowed the in the "new york times/sienna poll." there will be a million polls. the gdp tracker from the atlanta fed has moved up to 2.8% in the first quarter ended march 31st. they're still tallying it. third straight quarter of i call it 3 plus percent growth. the economy surprise you? >> yeah it is better than i thought it would be, i want to remind you, you know what the fastest growing sector of economy is? larry: i do. >> government. larry: i passed the ireland test. i have to know about government spending. >> kevin we shouldn't even couldn't government spending as part of gdp.

larry: so government spending -- >> and debt. larry: presumably stimulating consumer spending, are we getting it -- so we have demand. are we getting it on the business side or, and/or is that demand outstripping supply of business equipment, machinery and so forth? >> right. larry: in other words, how lopsided is this economy. >> it is very lopsided. you mentioned the right thing. equipment investment has been declinfew quarters in a row while gdp is growing. we're basically borrowing from the chinese and mailing it around to people and they're spending it on stuff. steve mentioned inflation tax. one of the reason why retail sales is so strong there were really blockbuster sales at gas stations. the reason there were blockbuster sales at gas stations, aaa average price of the u.s. went from $3.30 last month to $3.60 last month. that is money people will not

have to spend on other things. i think the economy is more wobbly than the data suggests. larry: i will leave it right there. the economy is more wobbly. >> fire the irs. >> ireland with the fastest growth in europe. steve moore, kevin hassett, steve forbes, thank you. tax day is a dreadful holiday. iran's attack on israel was stopped cold. we'll now wait for an israeli attack on iranian military assets, plus mayorkas' impeachment is coming right around the corner so we'll ask senator marsha blackburn about all of that. tax day, bleh! is bad debt holding you back? ♪ the only limit is the sky ♪ ♪.

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♪. larry: all right, house speaker mike johnson just signed impeachment articles for dhs secretary mayorkas. those articles are headed to the senate tomorrow. we are told at 2:15 p.m., you see his picture signing it. joining to us talk about that and some other things we welcome back tennessee senator marsha blackburn. senator blackburn, welcome back. so the speaker is going -- he signed them, will send the articles. all of sudden nobody is talking about the border and the impeachment issue and i know we can talk about israel, ma'am,

but i just thought i would catch you on this, i know this is a key subject. will the border battle continue? >> oh, indeed the border battle is going to continue, larry. people are living the consequences of this open border every single day. they see it in deaths from fentanyl, in gangs that are in communities, crime that is rising, human trafficking, sex trafficking, they know every town is a border town, every state a border state. so indeed this battle is going to continue and i will tell you this, tennesseans want to see secretary mayorkas impeached and wrought to trial and they're looking forward to the senate taking this up. now that the house has signed their impeachment papers. >> what do you reckon, walk us through, what happens tomorrow at 2:00 or 2:15? so it is sent over.

some messenger sends it over. it goes to the senate majority leader, that being democrat chuck schumer, what happens, senator blackburn? >> yes. following that either tomorrow afternoon late or wednesday morning we will be sworn in as a court of impeachment. every senator is sworn in. then the articles will be presented. we know chuck schumer is going to try to table the articles. we have three members that are going to president organizing resolutions. one from senator lee, one from senator kennedy, and a trial committee resolution from senator cruz. there are several of us that have points of order that we think should be addressed and we want to bring this to a trial as we have previously done the you know the articles of impeachment have never been tabled, never been tabled.

and this would be a first. larry: senator schmitt told me, i think it was friday, senator schmitt told me on friday that basically you all can block business, other business if for some reason schumer tries to break precedent and table this impeachment resolution, that you can just block business and that is going to put him in a very difficult position. what's your thinking on that? >> we should be blocking and bringing this to a trial. as i said, this has never been done, tabling the impeachment articles and not bringing it forward when the american people are saying this open border is issue number one? and an open border is the biden border policy. larry, our secretary of homeland security does not believe in securing the homeland. of course he should be tried in the senate and we should uphold

that impeachment and have him removed from office. the american people fully deserve to know, i mean, today, we got the stats of chinese that have entered this country. more in the first six months of this fiscaller. >> than the entire last year. why do you think all of these chinese, primarily young, single men are coming into this country? you don't leave china unless they tell you, you can leave china. so someone is paying the cartels to bring these individuals here. we need some answers. larry: just the last 20 seconds, ma'am, we always run out of time, i know there's going to be a lot of pressure for an international funding bill. can you keep the border in that bill? >> what we're going to do this evening, i will be on the floor with a live uc to fully fund

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