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larry: i just want to repeat, business is dooren plant. no production, there's no investment -- dormant. there's no energy and there's no confidence in the biden administration if because of all these tax and regulatory threats on a daily basis and the attacks on fossil fuel industry. so we're in a fix. production hasn't, moved in three years plus. neither has business investment. and that's really what drives the economy from the supply side. and it is a very weak economy because of all this. and we've got jackie deangeliss in for lizzie macdonald. jackie, what's cooking over there? jackie: couldn't agree with you more, larry. we've got a lot cooking tonight, so we'll take it from here.
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have a wonderful evening. hi, everyone, i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth macdonald, "the evening edit" starts right now. donald trump's former attorney, michael cohen, back on the stand today in the new if trial against the former new york trial against the former president. trump's team hammered cohen on cross-examination yet again and pressed the former fixer on his history of lying. fox news' nate foy is live outside the new york state supreme court with the latest for us. hi, nate. >> reporter: hey, jackie. so court is over for the day and will reassume monday morning at 9:30 with michael cohen once again on the stand still under cross-examination. after that trump's lawyers will have the opportunity to bring their own witnesses forward, and they just indicated that they plan on bringing brad smith if as an expert witness. he's an expert in campaign finance law. the judge will allow limited testimony from him but not everything that trump's lawyers wanted to bring up during his time on the stand.
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and you mentioned this comes after trump's lawyers accused cohen of lying once again on the stand today. and it had to do with cohen's story about when he alerted trump about the stormy daniels deal. he said he did that in a phone call through trump's head of security, keith shiller, but texts show cohen instead wanted to talk about harass aing phone calls that he received. if cohen insists both those conversations happened in the same phone call that lasted under two minutes. balloon where. e -- blanche also asked can cohen about an allege willed i air fair -- affair tween trump and daniel, cohen said the first time trump said, quote -- cohen said, quote, his family wasn't going to like that very much. and that's important because prosecutors argue that trump later suppressed the daniels story to influence the 2016 election. trump denies ever having an affair with daniels. cohen is the prosecution's final witness, and trump's lawyers
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just indicated that they expect to finish his cross-examination before the lunch break on monday. if at the end of court, cohen confirmed that he never had a retainer agreement while working for trump, and that's important because the lack of an agreement was highlighted by prosecutors, they said, to help facilitate fraudulent payments to cohen. cohen also acknowledged that there's nothing illegal about a nondisclosure agreement, that it's a legal contract. so trump's lawyers indicated that they could possibly bring more witnesses forward. they haven't made decisions on that quite yet, but there are reports that bob costello, who cohen consulted with in 2016 before cohen reached a deal with federal prosecutors, could possibly be called. costello told fox news this morning after testifying on capitol hill yesterday that cohen is once again lying about a lot of what he's saying on the stand. we'll send it back to you, jack cu. jackie: thank you for that update, nate foy. for more on this, let's bring in
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former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo. john, it's great to have you. i want to get your sense of what happened today on cross-examination. the defense hammering into cohen trying the prove to the jury in realtime that he's a liar, that he flip if flops, that he changes his story and that they shouldn't look at him as a credible witness. how do you think they did? >> it's not hard for the defense to prove that michael cohen is a convicted liar because he is a convicted liar. of all they have to do is show the actual con convictions and the time cohen has spent in jail. but what they've got to do is say why should the jury believe him now versus what he was saying a few years ago. how many times is he going to change his story. so what they've been trying to do is two things. one, they're been trying to show that can cohen has a personalinterest in just lying. he'll do whatever he needs to do to get ahead, to make money. and the other thing is to show that he's kind of like this pawn, that he's too close to the d.a., that he's desperate for
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celebrity and status, and he doesn't -- and he's acting out of a kind of revenge against donald trump. so i think todd blanche, donald trump's lawyer, has done a good job setting the foundations for. that he hasn't, i don't think yet, really put the final nail in the coffin, and that's why we're going to have another day of cross-examination. jackie: okay. we'll be looking forward to that next week. there is no court tomorrow. president trump is reportedly attending his son's graduation. having said that, he did make some comments outside the courthouse just moments ago. please listen. >> again, it was going to be brought with, it should have been brought years ago. you know, they're trying to rush to get it done before the election so that they can harm me, so they can hurt their political opponent. they're rushing. all this rush. there's no rush. these trials take forever. but this one they're rushing it. we're here early in the morning and we leave in the evening, now the judge wants to extend the time periods. so we can get this thing down
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fast -- done fast before the election. jackie: a lot for many parties to gain out of getting this done and rushing it through, john. to your point, michael cohen making a lot of money off of the circus that's been created here. but for the democrats also, the president is claiming this is election interference. >>. donald trump actually is lucky that this is the first case that went forward because it's by far the weakest case. you can see it's weak not just on the facts and that the case relies really just on the credibility now of michael cohen, but it's also extremely weak on the law. there's no, seems to be no crime that has yet been proven. the prosecution's really trying to in a backhanded way try to accuse trump of violating federal campaign law even though the federal justice department which is in charge of that law hasn't actually prosecuted trump, decided not to bring any charges. but i think the more important thing from the trial perspective is donald trump's lawyers now may have a strong incentive to close up the whole thing fast,
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not put on much of a defense and leave michael cohen as a last image in the jury's mind. ing. jackie: right. and that's the big question right now. in nate foy's report, he indicated that brad smith would come on as an expert if witness talking about campaign finance law in some limited way and, of course, we had that explosive sound bite on our air from robert costello, cohen's former lawyer. many speculating whether or not they will call him. i do just want to may that sound. >> he kept can on saying over and over again 10-20 times, i swear so god, bob, i don't have anything on donald trump. and if then when we got into the cushion of the stormy -- discussion of the stormy daniels' nd ark, he said specifically -- and i cross-examined him on this -- this was my idea. jackie: so, john, we were just talking about how the defense has been trying to really hammer home to the jury that cohen is a liar. and to the point that you made, we don't know if he was lying then, if he's lying now. what we can believe. it would be to their advantage
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to call bob costello, would it not? >> i think so, jackie. i was listening to that interview, and i actually appeared on that show right after he if finished. before he spoke i thought maybe trump should just rest are after the prosecution's case and not put anyone on, because cohen is a liar. he's the last prosecution witness. but after i heard costello's testimony, i thought he has to be called. he'd be a great witness for trump. jackie: i thought that too. john yoo, we'll see what happens. thank you so much for being here tonight. >> thanks. jackie: all right. turning to this, the presidential election heating up as both president biden and former president trump gear up for the first of two debates in just over a month, and new fox news polling shows the race is pretty close. trump leads biden by just one point, 49-48, in a head to head matchup between the two, closing the gap that we were seeing in march polling. joining me now to discuss is "forbes" media chairman and editor-in-chief steve forbes and
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fox news contributor and author joe concha. great to have you both here tonight. steve, i'm going to go ahead and start with you. what do you make of this? at these trials, well, all of the alleged offenses against president trump have been mounting. this is the first trial that we're actually seeing play out, and the feeling is that people are gathering around trump and they're rallying around him. his base is getting fired up at the fact they feel he's being falsely accused specifically in this case in new york, but the polling is telling a different story. the polling is telling us this is going to be another nail-biter of an election very close, within the mar margin of error right now. >> the key thing is why is biden doing a debate? everyone thought he'd want a debate as much as a vampire if wants garlic because of his inability to function, seemingly, without a teleprompter. i think what they realize is despite what the polls say, their internal polls show he is in trouble in every key swing state and, therefore, they need to show early on that this man
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can do what he did at the state of the union address, and that is show that he's in command and do another four years. jackie: right. >> kamala harris is not going to be the next president in the next four years. so it's a high risk thing. and what they're hoping to do is bait trump, have him talk about january 6th, 2020 elections and stuff like that. not on the issues now and in the future. avoid inflation, avoid the border and the like. jackie: right. >> i think trump will be disciplined enough knowing this is one chance for ultimate vindication, winning re-election. so i think biden's going to come across in such a way that democrats, this debate takes place before the convention, where democrats will say we need another candidate. jackie: right. i think the timing of the debates is very important, as you point out. joe, i want to come to you on this because i was thinking about it today and saying to myself trump agreed to a loot of conditions here -- a lot of conditions that don't necessarily benefit him. one of those conditions is that they can cut the mic if they
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want to. if they decide that it's appropriate. still, i think about president biden and, you know, however he got juiced up to do the state of the union, it's a teleprompter address and he was able to pull it off. he is not good when he is off the cuff and not on script. >> oh, jackie, it's usually cleanup on aisle 5, 7, 18, 21 whenever joe biden speaks outside of a teleprompter, because for him to speak extemporaneously at this point, the 81-year-old version of joe biden, it's always something afterwards that his staff needs to a clarify, clean up, so on. this is a much different situation. we're talking 90 minutes. the question is, will cnn, jake tapper, dana bash, will they -- to steve's point, are hay going to talk a lot about as far as topics january 6th, or will they talk about climate change or will they talk about abortion? in other words, topics that favor joe biden, obviously, not the things that donald trump wants to talk about in and by
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the way, the american people don't want to talk about because when you look at the top five issues that voters feel most important to them according to gallup, it goes economy-inflation, illegal immigration, poverty and homelessness, trust in government, poor government leadership and then the last one is foreign policy. jackie: yeah. >> i would hope that cnn and those moderators stick to those topics because that's what people care about most. but i have a feeling since it's cnn and they have a history of not handling these things well, remember, they shared questions with the clinton campaign in 202019, and we all remember candy crowley in 20212. i'm not really going to put my hopes on it. jackie: you bring up a really good point which is they need to stick to the issues because that's what americans care about. this is a president that's also losing a lot of support with key groups. i just want to point out with black voters, with hispanic voters, with suburban voters, with women, with those under 30, he's losing support. he was owning a lot of those group requests the last tame.
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-- time. still, coming back to the debates, when peter doocy asked karine jean-pierre about why they're doing it now, i just -- we gotta play this sound bite. >> reporter: shouldn't we see in this sudden offer from the president to debate as a signal that that you guys realize you need to change the subject after some really bad polling? >> look, this is a president that has had a pretty successful legislative, especially legislative tenure in the first three and a half years and has delivered on many things that are popular to the american people. >> reporter: who is going to stand in during the prep for donald trump -- >> who's to going to stand in? do you want to stand in for donald trump? do you want to do that? i can connect you with the campaign. it might be pun for you. >> reporter: actually, is so you're saying i can go debate joe biden behind the scenes -- [laughter] for as long as a i want? yes! >> you know what? i think that might be fun for both of you. jackie: final word from from each of you. steve, real quick. >> i think this shows they are
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doing the hail mary, and they hope that joe biden can get it through. otherwise i think democratic leaders after the debate are going to say, what do we do next. jackie: joe, what do you think? >> steve is right. the underdog is always the one that throws the hail a mary from their own 40-yard line in hopes that they can get a touchdown. at this points if the election were with held today, donald trump is your next president. jackie: steve forbes, joe concha, great to see you both, thank you. >> thank you, jackie. jackie: the latest fox news poll showing 55% of voters say trump handles the economy better than joe biden, and we've got sounds from the white house council of economic advisers jared bernstein on why biden keeps falsely claiming inflation was 9% when he took office. that's next on "the evening edit." ♪ daughter: hey, dad. dad: hey, sweetheart. daughter: what are you doing? dad: i'm gonna clean the fence.
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jackie: welcome back. here with us now, former economic adviser to president trump, steve moore. great to have you with us tonight, steve. you know, white house press secretary karine jean-pierre says that the administration if understands what americans are dealing with, the struggle of inflation and high prices. listen. >> we're going to continue to do is make sure that we are, when it comes to our priority as it relates to the economy, we want to make sure that we're fighting inflation and continue to do so.
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so we understand we have a lot more work to do. the we get that. but i would state that inflation is down more than 600% with the low -- 60%, and grocery prices fell over the last three months. wages are up more than the prices over the last year and since the pandemic more than 15 million jobs created and unemployment is under 4%, and that is the longest stretch that we have seen in over 50 years. so we are seeing some progress, some macroeconomic progress, but we understand that there are americans and families that are still struggling. jackie: how many pinocchios, steve? >> well, look, there's a problem because, of course, it was joe biden that took the inflation rate up to 9.1% back in the summer of 2022 after, don't the forget, jackie, the inflation rate when trump left office was 1.5%. jackie: i remember. >> for them to say we took it down 60%, that that's because they rose it up to mount everest levels. look, the problem for biden is
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even though inflation's now running at about 4% which is certainly an improvement, that's still additive, or jackie. sometimes i think the white house gets confused. it means that the prices are continuing to rise. it's just they're not rising as a fast as they were back in 2022. but we're now at rough hi 20% -- roughly 20 higher prices overall since biden came into office. and if you look at food, if you look at medicine, if you look at energy, gasoline prices, the things that people have to buy, jackie, by many estimates those costs are up by about 25 or 26%. that's a huge, huge squeeze on middle class families. jackie: and i'll just add to the things you pointed out when she says it's the lowest core inflation in three years, that's under their administration, so she's not really -- >> exactly. [laughter] jackie: -- and the creation of 50 million jobs. there's a lot of pin in how they like to put the stats out there. those were covid pandemic jobs.
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neil cavuto was talking to jared bernstein today, and particularly interesting to us is the fact that biden gets up to the podium many times, and he said that the inflation was 9% when he entered office. here is how bernstein responded to that when he was pressed. neil: why does he keep misrepresenting this? >> okay. he's making the point that the factors that caused inflation to climb to 9% were in mace -- neil: no, that's not what a he said. he said it was at 9. it would eventually get to 9% if a little over a year after that, but the fact of the matter is it wasn't 9%. jackie: it's not what a he said, steve. [laughter] >> you know, i think, you know, it's hard when you work for a boss to who says something really crazy to try and cover up for it, and i think that's what jared's trying to do. look, most americans know the facts. the facts are that the inflation rate -- in fact, it was low throughout trump's presidency. if you look at the average inflation rate under trump, it
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was between 2-2.5 to 3% which is right about where the fed target was. and it was biden's massive spending spree that caused the massive increase in the money supply. we had to print money, and that caused the inflation. this isn't complicated stuff, jackie. you don't need a ph.d. in economics to understand that if you're going to spend, borrow and print that amount of money, you're going to have inflation. and the problem is as you look at, you know, i just wrote my column on this, jackie, but if you look at what biden's talking about doing in his second term, he said the other day there's still $2 trillion of spending he didn't get. jackie: yeah. >> you know, on top of the $. >> 6 trillion they did get. i mean, this guy is going to bankrupt the country if he gets a second term or else he's going to raise taxes through the roof which would mean higher capital gains taxes, higher dividend taxes, higher taxes on american businesses. how in the world is that going to gain us jobs? jackie: because of the inflation rate and the rise in the interest rates as well, our
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interest payments are massive. we're spending more on interest payments than we're spending on our own defense budget, steve, which is just outrageous. we are out of time, but i alway. thank you. >> you get an a in economics, jackie -- [laughter] because you're exactly right. why can't you be working for the biden administration and explaining this? jackie: well, i wouldn't work for them. [laughter] all right. still ahead, former nsc official rich goldberg, the house, of course, just passing a bill compelling the biden administration to the unlock aid to israel. we've got the details on that next. plus, we have texas congressman tony gonzalez on new data revealing illegal immigrants eluded border patrol. that number actually spiking under this president, or surpassing his predecessors. we've got all that on "the evening edit." ♪ ♪
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concerns as we head into the november election. and now "the new york post" reporting that biden is planning executive action that would allow him to shut down the u.s.-mexico or border once the number of migrant crossings reaches 4,000 per day. of course, this is after he has said many times that he needs congress to act to make any progress here. joining me now from house homeland security, texas congressman tony gonzalez are. great to have you on the program tonight, congressman. i'm really sort of wondering what's happening here as we're heading into the election. all of a sudden you can shut the border down when we hit 4,000 illegal crossings, but you can't just shut it down because that's what this country needs right now? what is he doing? enter thank you for having me back on, jackie. and and what he's trying to do is he's trying to solve this problem with politics, and it's the not going to work. you solve this problem with policy. the numbers should always be zero. here's a little secret, you need mexico in order to help in this equation, and right now mexico has an election coming up in the
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first week of june. so the numbers are down, if you will. it's still 7,000 people coming over illegally a day. we're still on pace for over 2 million people, but the numbers are down. what does that mean? after the mexican election, i suspect the numbers are going to go way back up because cartels, they're a lot like corporations. they're saying, hey, look, the numbers are down in q1 and q2, but in q3 and q44, we're going to make the numbers up by increasing the number of people who come over illegally. so whatever joe biden does, it's not going to work because there is no partner in mexico. jackie: i mean, it's really crazy when i think about this. i think about border patrol agents standing there counting illegal i that are crossing, maybe they even have a count canner to be able to do it, and as that's happening, or then you've got gotaways also. they can't be monitoring what's happening, people going in all different directions. they get completely lost in the system, in the country once they're here. in this fiscal year so far there have been 175,000 gotaways.
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we are dealing with a national crises at the border, and this -- crisis at the border, and this president is looking, essentially, to brain warren the american people -- brainwash the american people to make them think that's not happening and that he's doing something about it. >> they're not going to fall for it, jackie. let me give you an example of how this border crisis is morphing into something else. in west texas, in my district, the permian with basin by midland and odessa, nearly half of the country's oil comes out of that area. well, guess what? cuban nationals that are here illegally are stealing oil. it is a huge crisis that is occurring all in west texas because of this border crisis. fast forward the another area, in medina county near san antonio, there are people that are causing all kinds of chaos. and in san antonio, the nearest large cities to the border, what we're seeing is we're seeing more and more sends wail land gangs, they're -- venezuelan gangs. these folks are bad individuals.
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they're worse than ms-13. more and more of them are showing up in our jails. we're the canary in the coal mine. right now we're talking about the texas, very soon it's going to be the all over the country, these same issues. jackie: and as a congressman in texas, you are no stranger to what's happening. thank you for outlining that for us, because your state has been hit the hardest perhaps. i'll also add to that when it comes to the chinese illegals that are coming into this country that we're losing strack of. 27,583 in the fiscal year so far. you have to scratch your head and ask yourself what these people are coming to do in this country. congressman, we're out of time, but i so appreciate it, and we will have you back soon. >> thank you, jackie. if. jackie: all right. israeli prime minister benjamin if netanyahu appearing to be rejecting the biden administration's statements that israel needs a political plan for gaza's future and that a total victory for israel is not possible. netanyahu arguing that hamas must, first and foremost, be
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defeated on the battlefield if before devising a man for postwar gaza. -- plan. netanyahu also saying, quote, there is no alternative to a military victory. joining me now, foundation for defense of democrats certain adviser rich goldberg. rich, thank you so much for being here. i want to get to that this apparent disagreement is between netanyahu and joe biden's white house, because joe biden stood up after october 7th and he said we stand with israel. but nothing he's done with respect to his actions have actually added up to standing with israel. it's leaving a lot of people very puzzled, scratching they heads. >> well, we have two things going on. one is the politics and one is the ideology. on the political side, the president has made a determination that he needs to try to do whatever possible to end israel's attacks on hamas to try and to destroy hamas because he believes that the encampments inside his own political party, these hamas encampments inside
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his administration are just getting too rough for him, the political sea ises are too rough. he thinks if there's a ceasefire in gaza, he can strongarm israel, things will quiet down on the domestic front, he can cruise into his re-election. that's his calculus. i think he's wrong on that. and then there's the ideology. in this goes back to the obama administration you still hear this in the middle east from people like the qataris, the sponsors of hamas, the idea that hamas is part of the fabric of palestinian society, you can't destroy an ideology, there's no military solution to hamas. you're hearing these things said now by the biden administration. what that means is they want to see a political environment where hamas is brought into the fold. the palestinian authority might take the lead, they would govern gaza, but in unity of that -- with hamas at a political level. and if what prime minister netanyahu is saying is there's no hope for gaza in the future if hamas is still around and, oh, by the way, we can do all
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the planning we want and they have been, no one is stepping forward to lead in gaza unless they know hamas is gone, otherwise they believe they're going to get shot, and they probably would if hamas was still around. jackie: right. it's a little confusing why the two leaders can't get on the same page of what the objective should be. you get rid of the terrorist organization, and then you worry about what the landscape looks like. when it comes to joe biden, he's attacking them. he's saying they're committing war crimes in gaza. we're not going to give them weapons. now all the there's backlash to that, so now we are going to give them weapons. october 7th was more than six months ago. there was no aid given to israel immediately in a true and earnest way because this president was playing politics with ukraine's money, you know? they wanted the package to all be together so he could get what he wanted over there in order to help israel. i mean, it's really a mess with respect to his foreign policy in the middle east. >> well, the president has tried to govern this conflict purely in his own political interests.
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after october 77th he saw -- 7th he saw political interest in supporting israel. he did surge assistance, that is true, he compared hamas to vladimir putin and then he sent an emergency supplemental to capitol hill taking aid for israel and tying it around the aid he want wanted for ukraine. he thought this was the ticket to his political success. then suddenly the protests started. suddenly, people in his administration start resigning. he starts realizing his party's actually pro-hamas and not to-israel, and now he's putting all the pressure on israel, not hamas, because he wants israel to end the military operations because he believes that leads to quiet inside his own party. jackie: right. and that could potentially help him seal a re-election. rich goldberg, thank you so much for your insight. >> you bet. jackie: still ahead, congressman andy biggs from the house judiciary committee. president biden has aa certed executive privilege to deny house are republicans access to recordings of his interview with the special counsel
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investigating his handling of classified documents. this is coming as gop if lawmakers move to hold attorney general merrick garland in contempt over his refusal to turn over that audio. but with first, let's check in with dagen and sean to see what they've got coming up on "the bottom line." sean: hey, jackie, great to see you. yeah, a great show coming up. so as -- [inaudible conversations] [laughter] the stock market rocks, joe biden says he's building the economy from the middle out and the bottom up, but that's not what voters say. anna paulina if luna here on that, and we're going to unpack the trial of donald trump with deroy murdock. dagen: a big oopsie for michael cohen. he got caught in a lie about what he testified to earlier. marc morano on gavin newsom heads to the vatican to meet the pope to talk about climate change? maybe get him to pray for getting him out of the financial pickle he's in in california. and then joe grimaldi, the vice
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unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock...” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it's not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that's uncalled for. jackie: welcome back.
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a republican-led house committee voted today to advance a resolution holding attorney general merrick garland in contempt of congress for refusing to turn over audio of president biden's interview with with special counsel hobt hur. -- robert hur, this is as the white house is claiming techtive privilege. fox news' david spunt is live at the justice department. hi, david. >> reporter: hi, jackie. the vote was party line, 18 republicans voted to hold merrick garland in contempt, 15 democrats voted against that. but this was just one committee, the house judiciary committee. there's a longer process to actually hold merrick garland in contempt of congress. garland says that he's already are turned over the transcript, and republicans have all the information he needs. he's saying that he is not under any circumstances going to turn over the audiotapes of the interview between president biden and then-special counsel rob hur from last october. the interview was part of the probe into the classified documents found at several biden properties including his
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delaware home. the attorney general, as i said, turn thed over the full transcript, and it contains the same information. now, the president, as you mentioned, claimed executive privilege recently over the audio files of the interview. executive privilege protects both the president from having the audio released and the attorney general from facing any criminal charges for not handing it over if, or indeed, he is found in contempt of congress. now, garland was the subject of a contempt vote today in the judiciary committee. first was the judiciary committee this morning. watch this. >> the record arings are necessary if -- recordings are necessary. the transcripts alone are not sufficient evidence of the state of the president's memory, frankly, because the white house has a track record of altering the transcripts. >> reporter: jordan didn't give specific examples, multiple specific examples there. attorney general garland answered a question about contempt today when i asked him. watch. >> we have gone to extraordinary lengths to insure that the
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committees get responses to their he visit mat requests -- legitimate requests. but this is not one. to the contrary, this is one that would harm our ability in the future to to successfully pursue sensitive investigations. if. >> reporter: jackie, in about two hours the house oversight committee will meet to hold a markup on contempt. they will vote in their committee tonight. it was originally supposed to be at 1 1:00 this morning, but several members headed to the manhattan trial of former president donald trump. they wouldn't have enough votes to pass it, so james comer, the chairman, called it off and is delayed it for tonight. if this passes in the oversight committee, it would still have to go to the full house floor the actually make merrick garland officially be held in contempt. speaker mike johnson today would make that decision to bring it to the floor. today he said there are a lot of moving parts, and he's not under any timetable to do so, so he was kind of noncommittal there, key. jackie: okay. so a lot still has to happen procedurally, david. i appreciate you laying out how
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this works nurse. let's welcome from house oversight and accountability, congressman andy biggs. congressman, thank you so much for being here tonight. and this is why this is important as far as i'm concerned, i'm just going to remind our viewers special counsel hur was interviewing biden, he was investigating his handling of classified documents. that is important because with we've got a similar parallel narrative with president trump that's going to come down the pike after he gets through his new york trial. a couple of things could happen here. the democrats are arguing if you get your hands on audio, jim jordan, you're going to alter it, splice it up is and take it out of context. but on the other side of the coin, you could say, well, if you're truly having the transcript and the audio match, then why would you be afraid to hand it over? if it appears that, if we recall during or that transcript when it was released, we got a very, very distorted picture of president biden's memory. and that was really the pop there, that he's got major
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mental issues. in fact, his mental health, let's call it, is in a state of decline. it seems like the republicans are trying to go after that because they think there could be more in there that would indicate he's got problems. and this is a man that's running, congressman, for the president of the united states again. >> yeah. jackie, that's exactly right. so think about -- the challenge is to his mental acuity. that's the question. and special counsel hur declined to bring charges not because he didn't find that there was criminal misconduct, but that he had found that his mental acuity had degraded so much that the jury would say, well, he's just a harmless old man, and so he wondered about the ability to quite a bit before a jury. now, that's a prosecutorial decision. but what is necessary for us as we go forward is to determine with an audio recording you could determine the act a rahs a city is of -- accuracy of
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mr. hur's portrayal. and that allows us to determine the mental acue acuity of the president of the united states who's essentially make decisions that could take us into world war iii, the border, everything. and the reality is for them, is there is no argument to be made that a we're going to doctor an awed -- audio. os tense the by, they gave us the transcript -- ostensibly, they gave us the transcript of the recording. jackie: right. >> give us the recording now. and if they don't match up, then there's a real problem there. but it'll allow us to see how -- [audio difficulty] biden's ability -- jackie: and to your point, if they do match if up, congressman, then nobody can take anything out of context. so what are they afraid of? this is all happening at the same time that james comer is subpoenaing the white house for more bank records to the look into some of the business dealings of the family, and they're saying, oh, no, we're not going to hand them over. if you didn't do anything, why
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wouldn't you hand them over? there are so many instances where we see this time and time again. we are out of time, but we are going to follow what happens with merrick garland, and we'll have you back soon. >> thanks, jackie. jackie: okay. hhs suspends ecohealth alliance grants after finding taxpayer funds were used in risky research. the covid select subcommittee heard testimony today from the number two at nih to examine nih's relationship we cohealth as well as their process forren funding and overseeing research. we're going to break this all down next. ♪ ♪ trading at schwab is now powered by ameritrade, unlocking the power of thinkorswim, the award-winning trading platforms. bring your trades into focus on thinkorswim desktop with robust charting and analysis tools, including over 400 technical studies.
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jackie: the the president of health and human services is suspending all funds government wide to ecohealth alliance, a controversial nonprofit that that sub-awarded funds to the wuhan institute of virology. remember them? that's the lab that many suspect is at the center of the covid-19 outbreak. this is all coming as the covid select subcommittee heard testimony today from the number two at the nih to examine the n if ih's relationship with ecohealth as well as their process for funding and overseeing research are. fox news' rich edson is live in washington with the details. hi, are rich. >> reporter: good meaning concern evening, jackie.
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the house's select subcommittee on the pandemic examined how the federal government monitors organizations that receive federal funding, this hearing is just a day after the d. of health and human services banned ecohealth alliance from receiving federal grants. hhs accuses ecohealth of failing to adequately monitor experiments if funded at china's wuhan institute of virology. it also says ecohealth neglected to keep the u.s. government plaintiffed and provide notes -- provide notes. >> would the lap books that were failed to be produced have provided information that may potentially validate this experiment? >> i certainly hope they would, yes. >> and he never produced those to you. >> that's correct. >> reporter: peter das zack, president of ecohealth alliance. hhs writes, quote: debarment is genre for a period not to -- generally not to exceed three years, however, i may impose for
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longer period or shorter period as the circumstances warrant. ecohealth says we disagree strongly with the decision and will present evidence to refute each of these allegations and to show that nih's continued support of ecohealth alliance is in the public interest. this committee has scheduled another hearing on ecohealth alliance. chairman brad wenstrup has subpoenaed dr. david warrens, a committee aide says they expect warrens to comply. fauci is scheduled to testify june 3rd. jackie? jackie: rich edson, thank you so much for that. for more on today's testimony from the nih official, let's welcome congressman michael cloud are. let's talk about this. you are on the coronavirus pandemic select subcommittee, and people have a lot of questions. how concerned should the american people be about the nih's relationship with ecohealthing and not necessarily just ecohealth, but with many of these grantees that are getting taxpayer dollars and aren't being adequately supervised?
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>> yeah, we should be very concerned. i can tell you ecohealth has gotten a lot of the attention, and rightfully so. you know, we understand that they helped fund, support the gain of function if research that was happening at the wuhan lab, and we know the devastating, tragic results of that. and even when das act came before our testimony, i asked him is there anything you would do different, he was, like, or no, we would continue working with them. but they're one of many organizations in the grant-writing process and certainly the oversight process, so e kohl health maybe did not oversee the wuhan lab, but the nih did not oversee cohealth, and you can go up the chain. it's important that, you know, it's a good first step that we're not funding ecohealth going forward at least for the time being, but we need to make sure they don't also become the fall guy where everybody gets to wash their hands of responsibility as well. jackie: fair enough. four years after the pandemic which devastated a global economy and took so many lives, for some of the taxpayers in
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this country who were touched by that whether it was the economics of it or the life loss, the impacts of having the virus, long-term impacts and health problems people have been dealing with, it feels like a slap in the face that it takes four years the start having these conversations to get to the bottom of what everybody's role was. >> yeah. that's absolutely true. and there's been so much obfuscation, there's been, you know, the covering up -- well, first of all, we had a full-throated government support of many of the bad actions that happened in the government request's response to covid. government's response to covid. and so there's a lot of people trying to protect their own hides, so to speak, when really we just need to get this right for the american people. the idea that continues to bother me tremendously and related to this and many other issues is the fact that we continue to ask the taxpayer to defund the demise of their own nation. that's unconscionable. we've got the put a stop to that, and we in congress -- it's
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great that hhs is reaching out to do this, but we in congress have got to be willing -- we're supposed to control the pursestrings, and we've got to stop funding bad activity. jackie: i only have a few sends left, but how do you hold people accountable, organizations and individuals, when somebody like dr. anthony fauci testifies in front of congress and says that, absolutely, there was no funding from the nih of gain of function research? if how do you do that? >> the thing that we can do in the house is we can stop funding, and we can investigate. ideally, we would refer that to the doj, and they would take up the criminal prosecution of it. we're hoping to get that, of course, in the next term, to have a doj. but it's -- jackie: different. right. different circumstances. congressman michael cloud, thank you so much for being here. i'm jackie deangelis in for elizabeth macdonald. i'm going to send it over to sean and dagen. dagen: thank you, jackie. ♪ ♪

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