empire? what do you know that they don't? >> that's tomorrow night. set your dvr. as we say good-bye to september 11th, please consider this, tunneltotowers.org. never forget. welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert. so when president obama addressed the nation last night and outlined his strategy to defeat and destroy the isis terror network, well, he made several major contradictions to his previous positions on foreign policy issues. fox's own ed henry is standing by at the white house to explain tonight. ed. >> reporter: good evening, sean. interesting, speaker john boehner did indicate today he's willing to push through the president's plan to arm the syrian rebels as well as $500 million for the early stages of battling isis. but there's skepticism on both parties because of some of those contradictions you mentioned in the policy, the new strategy announced by the president to a primetime audience. questions about whether the free

syrian army that the president wants to build up can effectively serve as a ground force while the u.s. air strikes are moving forward in syria in the weeks and days ahead. especially since the president himself you'll remember recently suggested it was a fantasy to say that the syrian free army could be an effective force. critics saying the president is not showing that they can be fully vetted. and that these arms could wind up in the hands of terrorists. then you have the fact the president recently suggested that he was in defensive mode. that his philosophy was don't do stupid stuff. last night he had a much more different offensive mind. i pressed josh earnest about those contradictions. listen. >> just a few weeks ago the president was mocking the free syrian army. >> i don't think i would describe the president's words that way. >> farmers, pharmacists -- >> honorable positions. >> honorable, but not necessarily warriors. >> they are not. >> i thought the president said the defining principle of

foreign policy was don't do stupid stuff. what happened to that? >> well, i do think that the president and members of his administration would believe that arming syrian opposition members without vetting them would qualify as something that would be stupid. >> and so he's referring there to the fact the president says he did not arm the syrian rebels much sooner over the last three years because they feared the arms would wind up in the hands of terrorists. they think they have a better vetting system now. a lot of questions about whether they will be vetted well or not. meanwhile secretary of state john kerry was in saudi arabia today. he's touting the fact that this coalition is being built to get behind the u.s. effort to expand air strikes from iraq across the border into syria. but the british foreign minister today suggested they're not on board with air strikes. and they're our key ally. later in the day the prime minister's office in britain suggested that they have not made a final decision. people are at the white house telling me they'll take the prime minister's word over the foreign minister's word. but the bottom line, confusion

about whether even our key ally is on board with more air strikes, sean. >> and germany is out as well. one question to the follow-up question you had with josh earnest, you're right. the president said the idea to arm the rebels was always a fantasy. but it was mocking. i actually have the whole quote, he said the idea we could provide some light arms, even more sophisticated arms to an opposition of doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth that they were going to be able to battle not only a well armed state but backed by russia and iran and backed by hezbollah wu never in the cards. >> remember the context. he was doing an interview with thomas friedman with the "new york times" to push back on the interview former secretary of state hillary clinton had done. she had taken shots at both things. number one, what we were talking about with josh earnest about the idea the president said don't do stupid stuff. that's his principle. hillary clinton said in that interview that's not a guiding principle for foreign policy. they patched things up at

martha's vineyard. the second thing she said in that article was look she was pushing to arm the syrian rebels much sooner. so the president in his interview was pushing back saying that's a fantasy, you couldn't have done it because you couldn't have vetted them. he had a point which is that the vetting system nobody knows whether these syrian rebels are really the moderate forces, will these arms wind up in the hands of terrorists. but he's now saying i need them so we can trust them. but it's unclear whether we can vet them now or not or whether the arms will still wind up in the hands of terrorists. we're in the same spot. >> i asumt they're still doctors, farmers and pharmacists. ed henry at the white house. thank you. there are new concerns that the military strategy outlined by the president last night may not be a recipe for success. here to explain why is fox's own jennifer griffin standing by tonight at the pentagon. jennifer. >> reporter: sean, the biggest problem with the plan is that the president has ruled out u.s. combat troops and will rely on the iraqi army and the so-called moderate syrian opposition.

the president not arming the syrian army describing as lawyers, doctors and radio journalists suggesting they are not battle ready. now they are a key part of his vat strategy. he's asking congress for money to train them. and the training would take place in saudi arabia according to senior u.s. military officials. using saudi arabia is problematic and likely to fuel more jihadist. the other problem is the new iraqi government looks a lot like the old iraqi government whose isolation led to the formation of isis. nour al maliki is vice president. the kurds have said they will remain in the government for only three months and still doesn't have a defense minister. the iraqi army already dropped its weapons and fled once beforehanding u.s. military vehicles and weapons over to isis, weapons the u.s. had already provided them. finally, there's the idea that you can win a war with air power alone. everyone agrees you can't. general lloyd austin, the commander requested ground

troops that could advise, assist and accompany iraqi troops. his request was downgraded to advise and assist. in terms of aligning with the free syrian army, pentagon spokesman could not answer who they are when asked to identify the commander at the gaggle. the cia has been arming the syrian army to a small degree, but the president wants the pentagon to do it which requires going to congress to seek authorization and money. a lot of the free syrian army is led by former members of president bashar assad's military. despite president obama's pledge to destroy the terror network, secretary of state john kerry said hours ago that the u.s. is not at war with isis. fox news chief washington correspondent james rosen joins us now from the capital. he has all the details tonight, james. >> reporter: good evening. in an interview with jay gibson, secretary kerry agreed recently

advanced by henry kissenjer poses a bigger threat. he visited jetta for talks with senior figures there including saudi king abdullah. earlier there is no limit to the military cooperation the saudis can provide in the struggle against isis. however, in his session with fox news the secretary denied published reports that the saudis have thus far agreed to provide bases on which to train those syrian opposition fighters who can tackle isis. it was however when cnn correspondent elise labbot that the secretary suggests the u.s. is not on a wartime footing right now. >> is the united states at war with isis? it sure sounds from the president's speech that we are. >> i think that's the wrong terminology. what we are doing is engaging in a very significant counterterrorism operation. and it's going to go on for some

period of time. if somebody wants to think about it as being at war with isil, they can do so, but the fact is it's a major counterterrorism operation that will have many different moving parts. >> reporter: one reason the saudis are key to this effort is because u.s. officials estimate there to be around 1,000 saudi nationals presently in syria and iraq who could come home, officials say, with "quite dangerous skills." secretary kerry was due next in turkey, a key transit point for the foreign jihadists. sean. >> james, thank you. if you thought secretary kerry's comments were absurd, listen to what press secretary josh earnest said when asked a very simple question. >> what does a victory look like here? i mean, you've talked about destroying isil, i don't know what that means. what does it mean? >> i didn't bring my webster's dictionary up here with me. >> oh, come on. >> well, you know. >> talking about that -- i

understood -- >> i think it's a pretty illustrative phrase to describe what we envisioned. >> that cleared things up. fox news contributor former alaska governor sarah palin, good to see you. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> john kerry, we're not at war with isis, the president, the islamic state is not islamic. we can't get a definition of victory out of the administration. and the president said it was a fantasy just a short time ago to help the syrian opposition. well, i guess now he's helping the doctors, farmers and pharmacists that he felt was a fantasy to help a few weeks back. >> well, dear lord, these boys are so arrogant. that's getting in the way of sound policy that will keep america secure in our allies. hear john kerry saying we're not at war with isis. well, john, isis is at war with us. the president saying previously that isis could be managed. no, barack, you manage your golf but you don't manage a threat

like this. you destroy the threat. and to claim last night also our president saying isis is not islamic. isis says they're islamic. they are so full of deception that america should be absolu absolutely concerned with the policys that are going on. as i watched the speech, sean, the thought was i owe america a global apology because john mccain through all of this john mccain should be our president. he had the advice today so giving to barack obama and he will not listen to it about the residual forces that must be left behind in order to secure the peace in iraq that we had fought so hard for. >> governor -- >> we relied on the surge. >> i want to put up a map as you're speaking about the cities. all of these cities, you can see them all, mosul, sinjar, run through the whole list of them there. that this is now area controlled

because the president did not employ the strategy, bragged about pulling out 140,000 troops. if he would have done this a year ago, fallujah, tikrit, mosul, these wouldn't have been taken over now by isis. he said isis is not a state. >> absolutely. >> that looks like a state to me. >> well, and isis calls themselves a state also. but no that triangle of course which is the foundation in the region of their power for it to be taken over by the bad guys that is something could have been avoided. could have been avoided had barack obama listened to the best military advice. and that was, barack, you have to leave that residual force in order to continue what it is that we're doing. we don't have to have combat troops over there at that time. but the residual force in order to secure. but no, now here we are saying, well, it's going to take boots on the ground to win this thing.

and yet we're not going to send boots on the ground. we're going to contract this thing out when there's no mightier power than the red, white and blue? >> let me ask you this, when the president says the islamic state is not islamic, when he says that isis is not a state but they have more territory. they're bigger than the size of belgium. so they have the money, they're more brutal. now they have the territory. maybe not recognized by the united nations, but they certainly own a lot of that territory. and the president said another thing, he said isis has no vision. i'm thinking don't they have a vision? isn't what they were doing in mosul either convert or die, isn't that a vision for a caliphate where the world is dominated by their brand of islam? >> sean, it's not just a vision that's so obvious. it's an articulated mission that they're on. and that is the caliphate. that is a takeover of the region. and guess what? we're next on the hit list. so when barack obama like the rest of us here these bad guys,

these terrorists, promising that they will raise the flag of allah over our white house, for the life of me i don't know why he does not take this serious, the threat. because, yes, it's more than a vision. they're -- just like hitler did all those years ago when a war could have been avoided because hitler too did not hide his intentions. well, isis, these guys aren't hiding their intentions either. >> all right, governor, thank you. good to see you. appreciate it. coming up, what does the muslim community think of president obama's address last night? we'll get reaction to how the military is responding to the commander in chief's plan. but first on this program we'll never forget what happened 13 years ago today when terrorists attacked us. worst attack on american soil. we won't forget. >> a plane just crashed into the world trade center.

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civil war to gain territory on both sides of the iraq/syrian border. it is recognized by no government. nor by the people it sub je gats. >> the president last night in his address to the nation claiming islamic militant are not islamic. the american islamic forum for democracy and indianapolis area imam mohamed sadik with us. he said the islamic state is not islamic. and not a state. but they certainly have a lot of lands mass they now have control over. and they have no vision. i think the caliphate is the vision. why is there this disconnect with the president? why -- is this political correctness he's playing? what do you think is going on? >> sean, it's fear and coward esz of addressing the core ideology. the fourth plank of his plan was addressing the ideology and yet

he won't even name it. as a muslim i'm listening to this going is he now the excommunicator in chief. who is he to decide that the ideology -- bottom line is the allies he's going to use against us are the saudis. and they're the home of the organization of islamic cooperation. and the very ideas that are the infrastructure of the saudi government that include the abuse of christians, the abuse of minorities, the draconian imposition of sharia are the ideas that create isis. he doesn't want to address the more visionary strategic long-term issue which is we're in a cold war against islamism. he just wants to do it from a whack-a-mole counterterrorism program. >> i don't know if it's going to be effective. imam, let me ask you. is the islamic state islamic? >> i bear witness there's no god but allah -- >> islamic state -- >> condolences to the people of

nine-one-one who suffered all over this world. we must say that on this day. yes, sir. >> do you agree that the islamic state is advancing this radical islamist caliphate? a desire to convert or kill? convert or die? you don't deny that that exists, do you? >> the president was 100% -- >> i didn't ask you about the president. are there radical islamists that want an islamic caliphate that wants to advance their religion, convert or die. you understand that's the truth, don't you? >> i understand exactly what you're saying. they are radical people. okay, just because a cat has kittens in the oven, that doesn't make them biscuits. >> wait a minute. they're promising allah will give them 72 virgins if they

strap a bomb on themselves and go -- >> that's what they tell you, sean. that's what they tell you. but did allah tell you that? does the quran tell you that? does the bible tell you -- >> i'm a christian. >> yes, go right ahead. >> dr. jasser? >> you are so far on a different planet i don't know where your head is. the bottom line is that this is a major problem of almost every muslim majority country is suffering from the spread of islamism. and we want to continue to deny that groups like isis come from a bigger problem, which is the evil of the islamic state of thee karatic construct that is the infrastructure of states like iran, states like saudi arabia, pakistan, egypt's law even under secular regime is still very islamist. and unless we address those ideas and get our head out of the sand and deal with it, we're going to continue to get groups like isis not coming out of nowhere. and we have to deal with the problem. remember, assad and iran are the shiite version of the isis and saudi arabia of the sunni

version. they're both two sides of the same coin. we have to show the west that there's a liberal version of islam. and you're in denial making it so much harder to progress. >> no, i'm not making it hard. you're making it hard because you don't recognize the quran. the quran, you cannot put -- hold on. my turn. hold on like you told me. you wait until i finish. you do not respect the quran. if you respect the quran, you cannot put that sickness that isis is doing together with islam. islam is a pure faith. islam -- >> i'm sorry, people that respect the quran and love it are the ones that are going to debate with isis. >> are we going to talk over each other? you want me to talk over you too? or do you want me to respect you? if you want me to respect you, respect me. >> well -- >> dr. jasser, go ahead. >> you insult me by saying i don't respect my own holy book. >> you disrespect me by disrespecting the quran. you insult me --

>> it is coward -- >> all right. hold on. hold on. i have a last question. doesn't the quran talk about taking neither christians nor jews for your friends and talk about -- >> no. >> and holy war and jihad? >> no. >> no? dr. jasser, i've read the quran. help me out here. >> i'm going to help you right now. you do not take christians and jews to give the guidance to your religion. not talking about friends like you know the word friend. >> a different interpretation. listen, i agree that my interpretation is not friends, we're allowed to intermarry. but that imam you're in denial if you don't believe that interpretation of christians and jews as infidels isn't the predominant one coming out of saudi arabia and most muslim teaching institutions that are creating the -- >> we've got to break there, gentlemen. we'll finish another day. appreciate your time. coming up next right here on "hannity". >> i didn't know obama was an islamic scholar, but that's

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>> the president knows how to read polls. he's trying to channel the public. they want isis fought. they don't think the president's been leading, but they don't want ground troops. that may not be the best way to handle things, but it's what the american public in its conflicted mindset wants and what the president is going to give them rhetorically. >> and that f-16 is not a strategy. and air strikes alone will not accomplish what we're trying to accomplish. >> all right. reaction continues to pour in from both sides of the aisle in the wake of president obama's speech to the nation last night. so how's the military responding? today joining me now retired navy s.e.a.l., jonathan gilliam and retired marine staff sergeant with us. michael, start with you. i have great respect, i really do for our air power. it's needed. it's a necessary component in battle and conflict and war. but is it enough to do what the president says he wants to do here? >> absolutely not.

and i agree with charles krauthammer that the president got it dead wrong last night when he said that islam is not affiliated with isis or isil. and in fact you cannot just go over in syria and fight this war. you're going to have to realize that isis is a part of a coalition of islamic fundamentalists. and the only way that you can fight that is by having troops, special forces and air power. and you have to take the fight to them otherwise the fight's going to come to us. >> what do you think, michael? >> you know what, air power woept get it done. but air power will definitely put a hurt on them. what i saw last night watching his brief to the country is i saw nothing but inconsistency. with everything else going on there has been no solid plan. and what he said last night it was just weak. and it's not what we expect from our commander in chief, especially the person that's going to put military service

members on the line. >> well, i mean, i look at these cities and it breaks my heart how much blood and treasure did we lose to take out one of those cities and had he done this a year ago would have prevented isis from getting control of all this. the president mentioned yemen and somalia, we've gotten terrorists there. but if you look at that peninsula, we know that we still have major terrorist presence there. i didn't understand the analogy, jonathan, he was making. >> well, i agree with michael. i think that the air power will put a hurting. but it's only going to be a temporary hurting. and like we've seen in yemen, you know, doing strategic attacks -- or excuse me, they're actually called tactical attacks, only take out certain parts of this entire fight. and, you know sean, let's use the example of how much energy and effort they've put into going after the person that beheaded these reporters. that does nothing to stop this fight overall. it does nothing to protect our homeland. it may be good for morale, but

it does nothing in the long-term strategic fight against this fundamental islam. >> in yemen and somalia, michae i would argue that the facts on the ground have not changed. we still haven't, you know, on the arabian peninsula terrorists are still strong. they're still in power. they still threaten us from that location. so the president, what is the goal here? they couldn't define victory. did you hear josh earnest earlier? we played it. >> i did. >> he doesn't have a definition, i don't have my dictionary with me. >> we in this administration are playing a very dangerous game here. the war whether you want to call it, whatever they're fashioning it, the guys that fight on the ground, the trigger pullers, they do not see these separate groups as separate entities. all these different factions of islamic terrorists are all cut from the same thread. to say we're not at war, will well, i hate to brake e break it to you we have been on war since september 11, 2001, a global war

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than -- i'll sell my house if necessary for them for what they've done. >> we know that and if you've gotten that far in the book that your son was said prayers when we found him. and so we did say our prayers over him. >> you guys are wonderful. >> thank you. >> you're the son that i don't have anymore. >> thank you. >> now i've got three more. >> you got three. yeah. >> please, i want to meet you all. i want to meet you all personally. i want to give you all a big kiss and a hug. >> joining me now two members of the benghazi annex security team. chris and mark, they are the authors of the brand new book "13 hours, the inside account of what really happened in benghazi." first of all, it's amazing story of heroism, both you guys. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >> you within -- when you both heard, i know you were about a mile away from the annex. >> yes, i was. >> inside the annex when you knew -- you were on the same communications as the -- >> the state department. >> as the state department.

>> yes. >> you knew they were under fire. >> uh-huh. >> first thing you did with your fellow operatives. >> all of us knew -- >> you got dressed. >> yes, we got jocked up. we got our gear on, got the vehicle staged ready to roll out the gates. >> five minutes you're ready to roll out the door. >> yes, we are. >> and you were told? >> i was told my exact words were wait. and that was from our base chief, which we said before and it's in the book -- >> and you asked again. john who was here with us this morning, he had to go home, john ten minutes later asked if we could go and we need to get down there. and keep in mind there's distress calls coming from the state department -- >> this is from your superior. >> this is from bob we call in our book. and actually john was told given the word standdown, you need to wait. >> you need to wait. >> standdown. he was given the order standdown. >> now, that's a very different version of events than we've been told. >> sure. >> we were told no standdown order was given.

that's a lie. >> we were told to standdown. >> now, you guys all decided on your own in spite of what your superior told you to go and fight. >> ten minutes later, about 25 minutes later we finally left without the okay to go. we did it on our own accord. >> you told me earlier that the communications you heard were if you guys don't get here soon, we're dead. >> yes. >> that's what you were hearing to cause you to disobey orders and in the military that's not done easily. >> prepercussirepurercussions f >> of course. >> you ended up saving the lives of 25 people. >> yes. >> which is an incredible story of heroism. we were told that this is related to a youtube video over and over again. >> true. >> and this was a spontaneous demonstration. i never heard of a spontaneous demonstration where i just happen to have an rpg in my pocket. that was my point. none of that was true, was it? >> we didn't -- he can tell you a little better than i can.

>> i was out earlier in the evening as we talked about earlier. and there was nothing out there that would indicate that there was going to be a protest. we were in the vicinity. >> that was your job. you were going around the vicinity and you were checking the perimeter. >> well, i didn't check the perimeter, the consulate, me and a case officer we were going to have dinner and meet some other people. and driving through the area we're going to keep our eyes out and see what's available, what's happening in the area. and there was nothing that indicated there was going to be a group of people. >> and john keegan was the one that came back after doing a reconnaissance of a venue we're going to do the following day. within 200, 300 meters -- >> half hour before the attack. >> there was a 25-minute gap where you were told to stand down. and you guys waited. >> yeah. >> and then you said you had enough you couldn't take it anymore. and you went in and you did save these people. >> yes. >> but you both said, you said

specifically on the record, that you really believe if you left when you wanted to leave and were prepared to leave that lives would have been saved that were lost. >> i've said that to whoever's asked me. whether it was through testimony or on tv or doing an interview. my story's never changed. >> why are we only hearing from you now two years later? >> go ahead, mark. >> you know, we wanted to do this right. we wanted to make sure that the story was told, a truthful story was told in as much detail without any interference. and we wanted to make sure that it got -- didn't endanger anybody else that's out there working. >> so when you heard the youtube narrative, and the president repeated it, and the secretary of state repeated it, and susan rice repeated it, and it was spontaneous, none of which is true. you guys have the answer. what are you thinking? this is obviously if these facts came out before the election, i think it could have had an impact on the election.

what are you thinking when you're hearing your government, our top officials, are lying to the american people? >> you know, as being in the military and being the guys on the ground and not being a politician, of course it's going to make you angry. but we got to let that go. >> i understand from the military side. but, can i ask, you knew it was a lie? >> well, what they said happened didn't happen while we were there. >> do you think they knew that? >> i have no idea. >> maybe i saw a story they began to believe themselves. >> it's hard -- >> we can't get in somebody's mind. >> we don't have those answers. we're looking for the same. >> let me ask you, we know ambassador stevens had requested on multiple times additional security. you knew about that. >> uh-huh. >> why did we deny -- why did the secretary of state deny the security that he felt was deemed necessary to protect that consulate? >> you know, i can't climb into the secretary of state's head and figure out why she did what

she did or what happened the way it happened. we do know that talking with the state department guys after the fact that they did send the request. they asked for help. >> asked for additional personnel. >> many times. >> yeah. and you have a u.s. ambassador traveling to one of the most dangerous cities in the world with five security personnel. >> it didn't make much sense to us, but again, us not working with the state department, you know. >> i became friends in this process -- i know sean smith's mom, pat. and i know charles woods, you were there when charles woods died -- >> tyrone. >> i'm sorry. charles woods is the father. tyrone died. >> he was right beside me. >> he got nailed with shrapnel. >> yes. >> this was at the annex. >> and he had also gone at the consulate fighting the whole time. >> yes. the entire time. >> he was a real hero. >> i think people -- >> yu write about these guys in

the book. >> in detail. what we said about ty, he was the medic. so when we got back from the annex, he was coming around doctoring -- i had fallen off a wall and cut up my arm real well. he was coming up to each of us and making sure we were okay. >> and you were injured pretty badly. >> yes, when he got killed. >> he was making fun of you. >> listen, you guys are heroes. what you all did that night is frankly that should have been the story to tell. that we had men that threw everything to the wind, went and saved lives. it's an amazing story of heroism. the book is fantastic. it's an honor to get to know you guys. it really is. >> honor to be on your show. >> honor to be on and letting us tell the story. >> coming up next, breaking news in the ray rice scandal. the nfl's finally now contacted the casino, the scene of the incident. also, you won't believe what the former ravens running back now blames for his punching his then-fiancee in the face. tmz has the details. also tonight, a stunning decision, the blade runner,

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the revel casino in an attempt to determine whether or not the league was actually sent footage of the ray rice video assaulting his then-fiancee now-wife. now, all of this comes one day after law enforcement and a source there told the a.p. that he forwarded the video to the nfl headquarters back in april. meanwhile, commissioner roger goodell has asked former fbi director robert muellor to conduct an independent investigation. that's not all, tmz's also reporting that reporting ray ri simple explanation, he's blaming it on quote, hard liquor. here with reaction is fox news legal analyst mercedes co hen. i know how strongly you feel about this. i feel just as strongly as you do i don't want to hear "hard liquor cause immediate to act this way". i want to know, what did the nfl

know? i believe goodell is probably telling the truth. >> this is how you behave with alcohol, god knows what you are as a human being. you know how i feel. my sister died at the hands of her boyfriend. there is no excuse for what he did. none, it doesn't matter if provoked or anything she said to him. he'd cocked her, she knocked her head against -- you know she had a concussion. she was dragged out of the elevator and it was disgusting. >> the nfl had some of the greatest investigators i know who is on board there. >> there is no way these guys won't have fought to get interview witnessed. this is a high profile guy. >> they didn't want -- >> no.

no. the point is that -- >> goodell said they asked he said it wasn't forth coming. >> can you believe someone in the nfl received this? i don't want to believe that. >> you are saying just to build on the story with your experience is that if that tape arrived and this woman's voice is on the voice mail produced as well in april, before he issued two-game suspension, you're saying there is no way he could have said -- >> i think we're getting piece meal of it. i admit there is a lot of evidence i feel like tmz was called out on commissioner the problem they have now, i don't have the facts a year ago they're saying he's the best commissioner in sports. if anything he's too tough on players. >> look at, just, a two-game suspension for that behavior? >> she could have drank too much and passed out.

>> it's just a left hook into a jaw like that. if he saw that, two day suspension? roger is wrong. >> should the rules of the nfl were different. all right? now, there is indefinite suspension. >> right. >> should ray rice be allowed to get back to the nfl? >> i think no. he's shown poor judgment. >> he married her. >> not saying leave us alone? >> there is a cycle of violence i lived it personally. i saw witness my family. >> the only way ray rice should be interested he should go public, show emotions on what he did what he did. understand what he did. take counselling and help other women who are battered show he changed his life. i believe women can make mistakes. high school, college. let's give the guy a chance.

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