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especially now that the estimated cost of taxpayers is half a trillion dollars over the next ten years. an op-ed in "the washington post" paul's their plant -- calls their plans aggressive, and -- no concerns about taking money from plumbers and giving it -- writing that low-wage workers will pick up the tabs to cancel the educational debt. how is the president responding to these questions? let's take a look. >> and about -- how others don't have to? we see this all the time. i want to flashback to another biden and pelosi moment. they both addressed this issue. >> people think that the president of the united states

has the power for forgiveness. he does not. he can postpone, delay, but he doesn't have that power. that has to be an act of congress. >> sounded very different. that comes with the same time that "the wall street journal" -- confidential memo written by charlie rose, and obama educational department leader council. wrote "the floor for persuasive analysis tends to support the conclusion that the executive branch does not have the unilateral authority to engage in massive student debt cancellation. >> that's where this should go. there should be a legal challenge to this. $500 billion is a conservative estimate. because when you factor in the $10,000 to borrowers who earn less than 2,500,000 a year, they will get another $10,000 for pell grants, and when that's

folded in together, that's a massive amount of money. it used to be that 10% of your expression area income -- your discretionary income, and now, they are whittling with the responsibility is. the government owns the debt. we pay the government, so we are on the hook for the debt, and for people who aren't going to earn $1.3 million over their lifetime of a college degree, which is two-thirds of americans. they are going to have to pay the debt, and more of that will come from people who have masters and phds. they are the real money suckers, and they will generate a lot more over their lifetimes. >> we remember obama with dhaka saying " -- we remember obama with daca

saying he wasn't a god, but then did this. it's not just republicans, it's not just economists from the right. you have obama's former economic advisor, jason furman, saying that -- roughly half a trillion dollars of gasoline on the inflationary fire area you have clinton's former treasury secretary saying that student loans raises demand and increases inflation, while also being inflationary for rise of tuition, which we have seen go from $2,930 in 1971 to $51,000, so even mines from the left say "no." >> i love that kennedy hit on that from the 10% threshold to 5%, because you are a nerd and i love you for it. [laughter] that is a huge -- and towards student loan payments, which is

hugely inflationary until the end of the year, because that applies to everyone: advanced degrees, rich doctors, lawyers, and investment bankers, which we talked about yesterday. the committee for responsible federal budget is outraged, came up with the half a trillion dollars figure, even more than that. they said "we project the overall amount of outstanding federal student loan debt will return to $1.6 trillion within five years, because it does nothing to solve the long-term problem." it's not just former administration executive officials who were democrats, and i don't want to step on you, but it's a whole host of democrats running for reelection, running for office. i look no further than congressman tim ryan running for senate in ohio, "sends the wrong message to millions of ohio

citizens." the problem is when we talk about moral hazard, it says to people who are responsible that they are now encouraged to be irresponsible. the message is if you are reckless, shirk your obligations, it pays for you, then we are going to jump in with a hand out and bail out, why play by the rules? part of it is getting people hooked on big government. they want you suckling, so to speak. >> we have these pictures, political playbook highlighted. these are so-called centrist democrats. i wouldn't necessarily call them that, but they've all come out against the plan in some form. you are trying to win back your far left, but might be losing people closer to the middle. >> they know what we all know.

we have heard about the social safety net. this is the country club safety net, people who are going to earn millions of dollars essentially getting welfare. people don't realize that we have been in the business of subsidizing these student loans for a long time. every time somebody defaults on their loan, you and i pick up the payments. the federal government does that, so $500 billion is nothing compared to what we ultimately paid, but as nicole said yesterday, talking about if you've had to repay your student loans. my father is a mechanic, my mother was a secretary who worked double shifts to put me through school. had they known something like this was going on -- imagine the lack of initiative, entrepreneurship, the vision that may have happened as a result. we need people to be hungry enough to claw their way out of their current circumstances and give their kids a better way, but people should do that, not the government. the government should be helping

businesses thrive, not these bureaucrats. this is a handout for biden supporters. >> i save this for you, because yesterday he talked about the $300,000 in student loan debt that you repay diligently -- and your kids, who likewise were borrowers. this is likely for the education secretary -- and he addresses you, doctor. >> the people that already paid their student loans, they don't get anything out of this deal. okay. [laughter] >> it took me about ten years to pay off about $300,000 of debt i incurred, just enough time to put my oldest son through college. he will not have debts because i was able to save to do that. adding on to what -- people are making seven figures right now who have not had to pay their student loans because we have continued pausing. unfortunately, every dollar

taken away, the high income earning professionals saying that you don't have to pay, they could be going to people who are struggling to pay their rent, their children's food, everything else. it's not fair and continues to widen that wage gap. the quality of the jake tate -- -- -- the quality of education and universities -- you can really see here, it's not the college education that has that earning potential peer the top half of people in their high school class will probably do just as fine as the bottom half of people who get their undergraduate degree, so we need to stop focusing on this education people are getting with these undergrads, overpriced educations. people -- we need to work to make sure they are no longer accruing this debt, where they won't even have a higher income. i think it's happening by allowing these professionals to

have some of their debt taken away. kennedy mentioned $125,000, if you make that you get $10,000, but it's also $250,000 to for a dual income house, so you could have a physician/lawyer/pharmacist who has a wife who chooses not to work, or vice versa. they also get some of that debt taken away. it's not fair for the people -- >> take a look through this, fishing for a sound a sound bite. >> i just wonder -- how do you feel about the chances of the democrats holding onto the senate? >> i'm liking it. i'm liking it. [laughter] >> the taxpayers and voters might not. i spoke to two democratic strategists since this dropped. they don't think biden has the legal power to do this either, but it could be political where he's saying "i'm trying," but

ultimately, the court slapped it down, but it's a she hates the left until the midterm, all he may be trying to do: imac himself 43 million in votes. >> all of them, they still call responsible americans suckers, and people won't forget it's. >> they want. we will see in november. coming up, so long muscle cars. california is set to move closer, as soon as today, on entirely banning the sale of new gas powered vehicles. dozens of states expected to follow california's lead. ♪ my relationship with my credit cards wasn't good. i got into debt in college and, no matter how much i paid, it followed me everywhere. between the high interest, the fees... i felt trapped. debt, debt, debt. so i broke up with my credit card debt and consolidated it into a low-rate personal loan from sofi.

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, today, is expected to become the first state in the nation to formally ban the sale of gas powered vehicles. every new passenger vehicles sold in that state is required to be zero missions by 2035. it will be voted on by the california air and resources board later today, one member telling fox news it's certain to pass. about a dozen others say that the accounting for about one-third of all car sales nationally will follow california's lead, a huge blow to makers of gasoline powered vehicles: cars, trucks, you name it. kennedy, we don't have the materials to pull this off. >> we don't, and california does not have the power grid to pull this off. it's so incredibly strained, and

the resources for the energy cartels in california are totally outdated, so they can't support an entire generation of all electric vehicles. need to provide basic electricity to californians who have gas powered cars as it is. i grew up like you, huffing gas at the race track, watching sports, motorcross, lacrosse, all sorts of races. what are they going to do? never going to want to go to california. are you going to push it so far that -- the nascar race? "hold on, i know i'm in the lead but i have to pit for four hours to juice up." there are two nascar races here. even now, it has fake engine noise to make you feel like you can hear the engine when you can't.

the one thing about this is if your goal is to reduce admissions, you could tax the living you know what out of gasoline, and that would automatically force people into electric cars. they always put the burden on the auto manufacturer to hide -- it's disruptive to the economy. >> they wanted part of that same resupply. it's not going to work. i took environmental law during my time in law school. this special status, where the rest of the country has this clean air act, passed by congress, but california is doing their own thing, and other states are allowed to follow california, but the republican attorneys general has sued, saying "you can't have this special status, california, where you do things like this." it could be rolled back, but if

california wants to make a difference, stop looking at everyday americans -- hollywood, one jet-setting expenditure by one celebrity does more damage than i could do in a year, may be. >> president trump actually fought california's authority under the clean air act. "the new york times" writes about this, remains a possibility that a future president might fight a full implementation of these rules. you literally have to have california dictating nationwide policy, because how california goes, the automakers go. >> there is no consideration for the taxpayer, the citizen. laura ingraham made a great point the other night. our freedom to move, go where we wish, that's part of who we are as americans. it is an expression of our independence and independent spirits. when you curtail it and say you can only go this far, kill

switch is on engines -- we are these charging stations going to be a question mark its $50,000 for the equipment, $100,000 for the electrical upgrade. as you mentioned earlier, where does this power come from? it's not pixie dust. it comes from oil, coal, natural gas. that powers the grid. i don't know what they think they are saving. what they are doing is constricting american's ability to move over great distances. those of us who live along the gulf coast who fled hurricanes, it's not tenable. you might sit in traffic for 13 hours. you can't do it. >> the lithium, all the minerals from indonesia, and without america, china. >> build back better, china. [laughter] >> european countries have done this, but they've done it through a tax scheme, where you

tax gasoline powered vehicles, tax gasoline. what happens in california is that gasoline prices would plummet, but them, people are hanging on to their old internal combustion engines, so california winds up polluting the planet, because people won't get rid of their old cars. >> or they will just go online and buy a car from any of the surrounding states, have it shipped in. listen, the only people that are going to benefit from this is china, because that's where the majority of electric vehicles are made. they don't have the power grid to support this endeavor, and let's be honest: why don't they just commit? if you are going to drive an electric car, maybe it should be solar or wind powered. why not take it to the other end of the ring? this really only benefits china.

>> if you try to bring a new car in from outside the states, they will not register your car. it will fail inspection. i've been there. >> everyone is leaving california anyway. >> coming up, this democratic challenger charlie crist taking a shot at supporters and governor. ron desantis calling them haters. >> he's on the bountifully old of hate -- he is on the battlefield of hate, i'm on the battlefield of love. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ i'm gonna earn 3% on dining including takeout with chase freedom unlimited. that's a lot of cash back. are you gonna stop me?

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state, good democrats, independents, good republicans. unify with this state. unify with us. those who are haters, you will go off in your own world. >> curious decision to tell more than half of the state you don't want their vote, but charlie chris looking to get governor ron desantis' job, but he's made it clear that he doesn't want his supporters. chris joins a long list of democrats who have vilified g.o.p. voters. >> racism is evil. misogyny is evil. really stupid people vote in primaries. >> the last thing we need is neanderthal thinking. >> you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorable's. you name it.

>> the m.o. that backs donald trump -- that wants to think he's a smart one. >> are you elitist with your geography, your maps, your spelling? >> your reading? [laughter] >> having a tough time there. dr. saphier, what is it about democratic candidates that decide to disparage half of the country? it's not just charlie chris or stacey abrams. tired of hearing about being the best state in the country to do business, georgia, when it's the worst state in the country to live! >> it's really upsetting to watch that. what are they doing with don lemon? they are just making fun of americans. don lemon is beside himself laughing at people. it is upsetting, pompous, insulting, and this is why they are falling out of favor.

the approval of the biden administration, democratic party, is on the floor because of this elitist attitude. think about florida during the entirety of the pandemic. in the beginning, there was a lot of criticism of governor ron desantis and how he was handling things. oh, by the way, he might have gotten it right. i wouldn't say there's hate in people's heart that her supporters, but i would say that they are angry with the way things have been handled, angry about how this has affected their livelihoods, from the economy, to the supply chain. ukraine, afghanistan, gas prices, anything else that's continuing to happen under this biden administration. they are frustrated and want change. >> chris is on a battlefield called love. >> he is on the battlefield of hate. i am on the battlefield of love.

there's faith, hope, love. the greatest of these is love, it's in corinthians. in the bible. i will beat him because i'm running on love and love always wins. >> raymond, there are a lot of loving voters -- >> sounds like a colt leader. is he the emotional barometer of politics now? who anointed him this -- anyway, ron desantis has an upward of 50% approval rating in his state. to write-off that many florida voters is folly for a politician, but he also aligns himself -- he says "i'm just like lincoln, i'm bringing unity." after the civil war, no one was more magnanimous than him, forgiving debts, allowing confederates back into the

country, letting them have their property back. a unity costs something. it does not mean demonizing half of your citizenry. to try to call ron desantis a wannabe dictator, he has ruled in the opposite direction, allowing people to decide whether to keep their businesses open, vaccinate their children. that's called liberty and freedom, and apparently, despite his big loving heart, he doesn't quite get it. >> he might be dismayed to find that the so-called haters have increased in florida. look at the numbers from their election website. 2019, democrats outpaced republicans and registration by about a quarter of a million. you can see that flip to 2022, where republicans are out registering democrats by about a quarter of a million. we may want to toe it down a little. >> and florida has become a very attractive state for people seeking freedom from places like new york, new jersey, and california, where they lived

under oppression during the lockdown, they heard stories about florida, schools, businesses being open, so a lot of people went there, and a lot of people are going to be -- will not be enchanted by his leathery love. those are just words. but, he does not have any sort of forward-looking playbook. his ideas are as outdated as his suits. you are looking at it like "this is the best you could do? has tried to change his spots, this leopard. [laughter] leathery love. [laughter] that is good. [laughter] we have got to get this in. michael hayden, your member him, former cia director. there is a tweet that went out. "i have covered extremism, violence ideologies around the world in my career, have never come across something so

nihilistic, dangerous, and contemptible to today's republicans, nothing close." essentially an endorsement. "i agree, and i was the cia director, so apparently republicans are worse than terrorists now." >> he also retweeted a comparison to trump in the mar-a-lago rate -- executed forgiving nuclear secrets to the soviet union. if anybody knows him, please get him some help. i think we should worry about him, that he needs to get out more, because he was also behind the election interference in 2020, saying that the hunter biden laptop was disinformation. just one quick thing. the racial demagoguery and this kind of rage did not work in virginia, so i don't know why charlie hasn't learned from that.

i remember one voters said, about president trump "i want a leader, not a preacher. "i think all politicians should remember that, but who had that statement --" [laughter] who was doing the don lemon southern accent? i read this a long time ago. as a southerner, let the chattering classes underestimate you because of the way you speak. let them assume you are stupid because of where you are from, and then, you can watch their pomposity melt into horror when you realize -- they realize you are besting them and winning." good on you, ron desantis. you will get the same thing out of charlie chris. >> amen ogbongbemiga from a southern sister. coming up, the school district requiring all -- that students can be asked to be addressed by different names or pronouns without parental permission. that's next.

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parental permission -- is not required for children choosing to change their pronouns in one virginia school district. they are mandating a training program for teachers to enforce the policy. one training slide, like things like asking to use a private bathroom or locker room that corresponds with a student's identifying gender, not shared with the parents. in another slide, it shows how a child could change their name, and parents not getting a say on any of it. we've seen this not just in virginia but in new jersey. pull up their state policy in new jersey, a school -- parental consent is not req required. it seems that parents are

secondary to teachers and education. >> they are taking back this issue, one of the top political issues they are voting on. they have been galvanized. things like this, which may seem like a wonderful, feel-good policy, is actually a gift to the school choice movement. i want to say thank you to fairfax county, because you are getting nonpolitical parents involved in this for the first time. they are running for school boards and are invested in their local races, because they want to make sure they have a say, because they have been pushed out of education for long enough. some parents want their kids to learn math, reading, how to write and become critical thinkers. >> taking this in virginia, did fairfax county of all places not learned when -- was losing to a republican, on the issue of education, did they not pay attention? >> it's a little liberal blue marble onto itself, but i can

read this a different way. if a kid says "i want to be called this," the teacher can't say anything. i did that when i was a kid. my first name is mary. i went to school one day, and the kindergarten teacher -- mary mary contrary --" some of it, and i encourage kids to go in and say "i want to be called aloysius snuffle if it gets, or dale earnhardt." in some way, this can help prevent teachers from this and encouraging, because it's up to the kid, not the teacher. >> the secrecy policies are problematic. you have a lawsuit in california here, did not know that her daughter was going by a different pronoun. then they go down to florida,

clay county last week, the lawsuit brought to my attention by a parent who said "we did not learn our daughter was being told to go by different pronoun until we learned about two suicide attempts. the point is, something is wrong. parents are learning about suicide attempts only after years of struggling with gender identity. >> the teachers union, educators in general, are finding their best to separate their children from their parents, trying to take away any power and decision-making -- teachers union and their lobby powerhouses. an issue i had with this is that parents need to be involved. need to task for my kids for a museum, but don't need to sign a permission slip for them to change their name, their gender identity, or if they are seeking help for mental health crises. that's a huge problem.

if there are concerns, there are social services that can get involved, but you can't exclude the parents. it's their legal rights. on top of that, i have a young boy who wanted to be called pikachu for the last six months, but just because he wants to be called the pikachu doesn't mean that he is, and it doesn't mean at school that he can go there and say he is. they can't just say what they want. i understand what you're saying in terms of wanting to be called a different thing, but at my kids school at the beginning of the school year they say legal name, what does your child like to be called." that's a conversation between the parent and the child. >> i want you to be called cletus. [laughter] >> "the wall street journal" editorial board, he won 25 out of -- school board seats, looking for parental control and turning --

vindication for the parental bill of rights bill that became law this spring, criticized widely in the national press. you remember. >> absolutely. as you referenced earlier, there is a political hot potato, but it runs in the republicans direction. fairfax county school is worried about iniquity. the inequity is that parents are being separated from the emotional and intimate lives of their children, and the school was trying to separate them. that's a no-go. as not going to work. heard of cars for kids? this is bec cause for kids. teach them reading and writing, when those levels are as deplorable as they are across the country, do that. pronouns can get sorted out at home come up between the parent and teacher, even if they want to be called pikachu. >> i wanted to be a cowgirl growing up. >> i wanted to be count dracula. [laughter] >> coming up, employees doing the bare minimum is a trend.

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more coming up. a federal judge will accept or reject the suggested reactions to the mar-a-lago search warrant. california looks to ban the gas powered car. the alaska governor will be here with his thoughts. should parents consent if their child requests transgender accommodations in school? one virginia county says no. john roberts will join us at the top of the hour for "america reports." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> backlash to quiet quitting is getting quite loud. employees do the bare minimum. others argue that it's about work/life balance. either way, it is getting tons of pushback from business leaders and social media users. shark tank's mr. wonderful, clearly not a fan. >> quiet quitting is a bad idea.

you are there to make the business work, support your team, customers, the people above and below you. you have to go on not because you are forced to, because you have to. you have to go beyond because you want to. that is how you achieve success. >> we've all seen "office space," where jennifer aniston is wearing the bare minimum, 15 pieces of flair. but, this is everyone just wanting to do the bare minimum. >> kevin is talking about being there for the business. you are there for the paycheck and your own enrichment and advancement. if you are there for the business, start your own business. what's going to happen is quietly quitting, you're just going to get canned, fired. if you want to work -- but are not slack off. what if your coworkers don't

like you? they met rat you out to the bosses if you are not pulling your own weight, and then, you will get fired. >> at some point, your boss will figure it out. people doing the least amount of work possible, it means that someone else is doing more work. to dagan's point -- what do you tell your son about the workplace and this kind of trial? >> i think it's appalling what's happening. these younger generations are working less and less hard. 40 years ago, people stayed in their jobs for a lifetime. they really took ownership. that's not happening anymore. you have people on their second-fourth job by the time they are in their mid-20s. it is because of this, the minimal effort. i keep telling my son "you have to put arm a little bit here." i don't want him to see what's happening around him, because it's minimal efforts. you are not working for your employer -- you are working for

your employer, the paycheck as well. >> absolutely, and the first piece of career advice my dad gave me when i left home was "make yourself indispensable." you can't be when you are doing as little as possible. >> this is the mediocrity mob, defecting in place. we have obligations. we are supposed to extend the gifts we are given, perfect them, labor at them. you can only do that if you push beyond your boundary. if in your residency you said "no more patients today, sorry, bleed out," you would have never gotten your degree. this is an absurd mentality, it should be repelled, and frankly, it's why everything is slowing down. we have to somehow recapture american ingenuity and work ethic. >> for people who complain that america is lagging behind our global competitors, may be, it's because of this kind of thing. >> i might be a contrarian, but let me copy of this by saying in

college, i skipped spring break to do and internship. that being said, one of these moms said that the kids will never be 3-4 again, i will run on the sprinklers with them when i have a chance, so some of them are not saying "i want to quit on the job." they just don't like the advice of "i want somebody who works 25 hours a day eight days a week." you have to have time for things that matter most appeared >> i agree. and look, my wife opted out of the workplace. her work was with her children. they are monumental because of her efforts, so there is no more important job, but she works double-time. she doesn't say "eight hours, time for a wind break." she is taking the girl scouts and driving, so no, half-assed never works. >> and working moms never do that. more "outnumbered" in just a moment.

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assassinating a president, he did in a video years ago, you'll remember, what he wants to sell to his audience, let the capitalist system work. but i'm not sure people are going to buy this. >> he also has snoop loops, gluten-free, a cereal. >> and when you have the munchies, sounds fantastic. as a celiac, i celebrate this, and he's good at branding, multi-generational branding, and has a line of cannabis and tea products, edibles with martha stewart. so classy and enjoyable, allegedly. >> he does work with kids, he does youth football. >> a jack of many trades and nostalgic when he and dr. dre did the super bowl halftime, so keep it coming, keep the younger generations, keep going, snoop. more power to you. >> good message. >> he has never been bigger. i love mr. dogg. he started a gucci campaign

after the super bowl so leveraging that exposure into something spectacular. i even love a gorged version of a blue glass. >> i love snoop. >> there you go. we will end the noon hour with that, thank you everyone for joining us. see you tomorrow. here is "america reports." >> sandra: thank you, everybody. brand-new concerns of parents cut out of their child's education, training materials in fairfax county, virginia, students would be allowed to change their name and gender identity on school records without parental consent. >> john: neither the school district or the teachers' union have responded. parents in fairfax county schools will join us to talk abou