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>> sandra: all new at 2:00, the pentagon set to brief the press any moment now as president xi and putin wrap up day two of their historic summit bringing america's top two adversaries even closer together. welcome back as "america reports" rolls into a second hour. i'm sandra smith in new york. we are certainly monitoring the pentagon for any news that comes from there, john. >> john: it could be a big news hour. we'll keep an eye on the pentagon for any updates as president xi tries to broker a peace plan for putin's war. experts warn any china-backed peace plan would have one winner, china. that's where we start with the fox news alert. >> sandra: president biden just wrapped his remarks on a day he

has devoted to talking about climate and environmental justice. at the same time as china and russia are plotting against the united states. the two major powers showing off their close relationship during today's second round of talks. >> john: president biden under fire for still not locking down a phone call with china's xi as tensions boil over at the white house, pressed how it got to this point in the first place. >> seems like these two superpowers are teaming up now against the u.s. why did president let this happen? >> these are two countries that have long chaffed, as i said to jeff, long chaffed at u.s. leadership around the world and the network of alliances and partnerships that we have. this is not -- this is not something that these two countries just cooked up since president biden got elected. >> john: peter doocy live at the white house. briefing expected to start any

moment now, peter. >> and john, we are told by officials that as china looks to make friends encountering u.s. influence around the world, the president's foreign policy to try to not contain china, the top elected republican in town says is a big mistake. >> what should they have done when they first saw hitler and others and japan together, what policies and dependency were they week on. what aggression did they look the other way? building up a military of hitler, even though it went against the treaty of versailles. or the movement in of checkoslovakia and austria, or the movement to crimea, or the desire to take taiwan. >> president biden says he's not

going to call putin until he's serious backing out of ukraine. there are plans for a xi call at some point, noing on the books though. >> do you think putin and xi fear president biden. >> you have to ask them whether they fear or they not. it is not about fear. it's about president biden advancing our foreign policy roles around the year, about president biden virallizing the alliances and partnerships, and president biden and what he's doing to preserve our national security interests around the world. that's what we are focused on. >> president biden is giving some remarks at the department of the interior this afternoon, and the second day in a row he is hosting entertainers. today a variety of bruce springsteen, julia louis dreyfus, all heading to the meeting. >> john: first ted lasso, and

now it's veep. >> sandra: beijing is stone walling and blocking information about the origins of covid-19. republican senator rand paul says it's not just china, it's also the u.s. government obstructing the truth. now president biden has signed the bipartisan legislation to declassify intel so will that help us get to the bottom of this? senator rand paul joins us now, a member of the senator foreign relations committee. thank you for joining us on the program today. will we eventually get to the bottom of this? so many years after this pandemic started? >> you know, we had a unanimous vote in the senate, a unanimous vote in the house, and then president biden signed it and when he signed it said yeah, i'll give you the information as long as i determine that it's not going to hurt our national security which is concerning that he's already putting a caveat on how much he's going to give us. i can also tell you that much of the information i'm asking for is unclassified already. i have 30 letters to eight

different government agencies, so far i have no democrats signing on to help me get any of this information. i have approached four democrat chairmen and most of the information is unclassified but they refuse to give it. this is a real problem, and look, a million americans died and we have no investigations into the origin, even though the fbi, the department of energy, and others and investigation over a year-long investigation by the health committee came to the same conclusion that in all likelihood it came from a lab in china. >> sandra: you have it on the screen, the lab leak theory, the energy department is on board with that. the fbi is on board. but it's the national institute of allergy and infectious diseases, they say it's nature, cdc says it came from nature, and those that say the origin is unclear are the cia and the intel community.

and you mentioned implications for the national security, and what's worse than our intel community saying we might not ever really know where this came from. dr. fauci, we might never know. well we should demand to know, right? >> the people of america should realize the people that say it did not come from a lab are self-interested. tony fauci approved and gave money to the lab in wuhan. he's always going to deny it came from the lab because it comes back to his reputation tore having the incredibly poor judgment to send money to wuhan. same for the cdc and they have all been hand picked by him over decades, so really these, you know, the machinery of government over there is biased and they are never going to admit to this. but if you talk to the real scientists, there's dozens and

dozens of virologists now who have come to the conclusion it came from the lab also. goodness, even if it were a chance, reform the policy so we don't fund the dangerous research. to this day, this dangerous research happens in 12 labs in the united states i know of. >> sandra: and seems some of the other people paying the ultimate consequences of this is our nation's children. they are paying the very long-term consequences of those shutdowns, of the school closures, and it continues to show up. i have a new report in my hands, this is from a group that looks into this under the wall street journal, new report cards for illinois, this is one state, the 20 largest school districts in illinois where it is now revealed, senator, just 30% of illinois students are reading at grade level. only 26% are proficient in math and worse for the minority students. 18% of hispanic students and 12%

of black students statewide can read at grade level. you know what is even more shocking, they are graduating these kids. seniors in high school, graduating 95% of them and only about 40 to 45% of them are reading at grade level. so they are graduating them and they can't read or write. >> this is the horror. the lockdowns did not save any lives, but they damaged our children, particularly the least among us, those who live in poverty, those who have difficult family circumstances, home schooling your kids i'm all for but everybody can't do it and some were not able to do it for their kids and we lost a year or two of education and some of these kids will never catch up again but it also did not work. everybody got covid eventually, and it wasn't effective. the countries like sweden that didn't lockdown, the kids went to school every day, not one kid died in sweden. so, this was a fallacy promoted by tony fauci and the establishment of government, it

was wrong, didn't save lives and we should never do it again. >> sandra: it's tough stuff and the american people want accountability, they want answers and it's tough to hear from government officials that we might never know the origins of that deadly virus. thank you very much. >> we are not done, we are not done. >> sandra: all right, senator. come back soon, thank you. john, it's just -- it is really something, you know. if we do have that sound, i want to make sure i play out dr. anthony fauci in his own words, this is late february when he said we might never know covid's origins, listen to this. >> do you think we'll ever know how the pandemic originated? >> might not. it very well might not. we may not ever know. >> sandra: and went on with neil on march 9th and said he's leaning for covid coming from nature. listen. >> i have always kept a completely open mind that it could be one or the other.

quite frankly, the evidence weighs more likely towards one, namely natural occurrence, but i would be perfectly accepted if there were evidence that it was a lab leak. >> sandra: i guess you could update that senator paul saying we are not done yet. so they, too, plan to continue to investigate. >> john: the good thing about all of this, people who have alternate opinions from the mainstream on certain things are not being dismissed as conspiracy, so at least we are embracing all possibilities. >> sandra: all right. >> john: live to the pentagon, expecting new reaction to russia's president putin praising china's so-called plan for peace in ukraine. something the u.s. officials predict will give russia the upper hand in the war. >> sandra: officials on edge, and upcoming meeting here in the u.s. have chinese leaders seeing

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>> john: a live look at the pentagon where pentagon press secretary pat ryder is taking questions from reporters amid a deepening relationship between russia and china. we are monitoring the briefing. we'll keep you updated. they are asking questions about the m1 a1s going to ukraine at some point, not new tanks rolling off the lines but refurbished put together and sent to ukraine. also talking about black sea operations in the shoot down of

the reaper drone. we'll dip back in if we find anything newsworthy. >> sandra: tensions with china hitting a new high last summer when nancy pelosi visited taiwan. china responded by rattling off new threats and launching some of its biggest military drills near taiwan to date. now, months later, the tension still has not cooled. beijing is warning it's only going to get worse. if taiwan's president visits the united states next week as planned. greg palkot has more on this from london for us. what more do we know about the trip at this point. >> we know it's getting a lot of attention halfway around the world. the president confirming she'll be stopping off in new york and california starting next wednesday in between a visit to central america. a transit of the united states, while the u.s. supports the island democracy it does not

recognize the place the chinese government xi jinping claims as its own, even a transit has beijing riled. a spokesman says it firmly opposes the leader of the taiwan region sneaking off to the u.s. for any en roo. one reason china could be upset, kevin mccarthy to meet with the taiwan leader on the california leg of her trip. he wants to go to taiwan, but has been warned off that for the time being. fresh off the minds, what happened when nancy pelosi visited last year. scrambled, a cordon, missiles were fired around. they don't think those fireworks will be set off by this trip, but noted in some way by beijing. back to you, sandra. >> sandra: greg, thank you. john. >> john: sandra, the moscow-beijing bromance is not easing tension.

wrapping up day two of the high stakes summit, putin says the relationship between the two countries has never been stronger, and praising china's peace proposal in ukraine, and not likely to fool anyone in the west. fred fleitz, vice chair at the america first policy institute. so, the bromance is blossoming, makes donald trump and macron looking like they were going out for a date or two. >> it's a show trying to show how the relationship is getting closer. xi jinping has invited putin to beijing. there has been talk of new economic deals, new energy purchases from russia to china. there's talk about this peace deal, which xi is pushing. it is a ceasefire agreement with 12 parts that i don't think zelenskyy is going to support. russia is pledging support for, and clearly china is trying to push this to promote itself as a

peacemaker to reduce russian isolation, to reduce china's isolation, to counter american criticism of china as a threat. but i think below all of this there is some disagreement. i don't think china is prepared to provide the weapons to russia that putin wants. i think china would like to advance a situation where there's a ceasefire plan that is in russia's interest, in china's interest, and against the interest of the west and i'm not sure zelenskyy is going to agree to that. >> john: it's remarkable you bring up the peace plan, i happen to have it on a web page here and russia would seem to violate the very first proposal, respecting the sovereignty of all countries, international law, purposes and principles of the united nations charter must be strictly observed. russia fails on that. >> russia fails on a lot of it. there are some good aspects of

it that russia would violate in the near future. ukraine would need some solid security guarantees but i don't think we are near a situation where ukraine can agree to a peace plan. they need all the weapons they can get right now to stop a russian offensive this spring, to stage their own offensive, hopefully will put russia in a plan to negotiate. >> john: some may disagree but i think john kirby has been on point with the xi-putin meeting. >> view the discussion or the b closeness of the two countries as anything more than a marriage of convenience. president xi finds in putin a useful foil for pushing back against american leadership around the world, and president putin needs president xi because he's running out of ammunition. >> john: sounds like the russia-cuba relationship in a new ominous axis of evil.

>> russia is by far the junior partner. their economy is a small percentage of china's economy and last month, china put out maps that rename cities in eastern russia to their original chinese names. these are areas of china that russia seized in the 1800s, china is giving a signal, we are taking them back some day. so these nations don't like each other. i think it is a marriage of convenience. but the poor relations the u.s. has with both of them is driving them closer together. we need more aggressive diplomacy, even if we don't agree with both states to try to stop this relationship from blossoming. >> john: the idea of china supplying arms to russia, antony blinken was sort of trying to forestall that by saying look, xi is near an accused war criminal, why would he provide him with weapons. blinken said he is travelling to russia days after an arrest

warrant for putin, will not hold the kremlin accountable for the atrocities in ukraine, and it's clear he's trying to embarrass xi here, but the wall street journal suggests look, calling out the international criminal court to which we are not a signatory is the wrong thing to do. saying the icc is the wrong way to beat putin. again, russia, china, don't recognize the icc, neither do we for that matter. >> so clinton signed the international criminal court in 1992, the senate refused to ratify it, john bolton unsigned the treaty. it's a bad treaty but the democrats like it. if they could get it ratified by the senate they would, and democratic administration's, obama and biden, they treat the icc as if it is a legitimate organization -- it's not a

surprise to hear blinken saying or inferring it's a legitimate organization even under u.s. law it isn't. >> john: fred fleitz, always good to get your take on things. >> sandra: only a few days since the faa met to bring a stop to the close calls at america's airports and already another packed jet coming within moments of a catastrophic crash. so, what went wrong this time? >> john: wow. plus, the nation's second largest school system shut down again, not because of the pandemic, but instead workers demanding more pay. but even if the union wins all of its demands, some parents say their kids are already losing. dagen mcdowell and sean duffy here to sound off on this coming up. >> have some of our most underpaid workers doing some of the most challenging jobs on our campuses. >> i support my kids and ultimately i feel they are probably being left behind. nia. financial well-being to me is knowing that

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>> here we go again. a packed southwest jet and helicopter coming close to disaster in california, according to the faa. plane was about to land on a runway at burbank airport in hollywood, when an air traffic controller spotted a helicopter in its immediate path. the controller told the plane to scrap landing and narrowly avoided a collision, it happened a few days after the faa held a summit to address a spike at near disasters at the nation's airport. where is mayor pete? >> john: los angeles unified school district where thousands of workers are kicking off a three-day strike in the fight for increased pay and teachers also joining them in solidarity walking off the job.

the union says its members make an average of $25,000 a year and one of the most expensive cities in the country. but at the same time, all of the job action is leaving families scrambling, a half a million kids out of the classroom. all in a district where the majority of students are fall behind in english and math because of the covid shutdowns. dagen mcdowell and sean duffy with thoughts in moments. but first, kelly o'grady is live at a closed school in the l.a. area. kelly. >> well, it's good to see you, john. tensions are rising but i kind of want to point you a picture, it's not about what you do see, it's about what you don't see. we are at a school where kids would be running around. but it's closed as they kick off a three-day strike. you see the benches blocking the entrance. schools are shut down across the county today after a year of failed negotiations. i want to give you some context.

30,000 workers from the service employees international union are leading the way here today, joined in solidarity by 35,000 teachers that will take part in picketing lines and rallies over the next three days. the size of this is a big deal. i can't overemphasize that. l.a. represents the nation's second largest school district with roughly 600,000 kids staying home today across over 1,000 schools. the union service workers comprise everyone from bus drivers and cafeteria workers, to custodians and special education assisstants. average worker earning $25,000, they are seeking a pay raise and staffing levels. 23% raise on the table, folks we have talked to have balked at. the superintendent fired back saying the union is refusing to negotiate, historic deal on the table. i want to share california is facing a $22 billion budget deficit so the district's

concern is it would drive the school system to bankruptcy. the flip side, parents and students are suffering to rebound from the pandemic so any further learning loss could be detrimental. the superintendent did release a statement a short time ago sharing they are willing to come back to the table but they are just waiting for the union to do so as well. back to you. >> john: always the kids who are the losers in this case, we do understand the issues at worker here. should have got you to do a weather report, it looks horrible. >> i'm multi-facetted. >> sandra: bring in dagen mcdowell as promised and sean duffy is here, co-hosts of "the bottom line." we love the show. shouldn't the goal for everyone to be in school, dagen, after everything children have been through through the pandemic? >> the goal for the teachers

unions is self, and sadism. it's worth noting the teachers' union in l.a. is also negotiating their own contract. they are never allowed to say ever again that we are doing this for the children. horse potatoes they are. they, after all of the learning loss suffered because of their own scientific selfishness during covid, now as children struggle to catch up in los angeles they are going to do this? the offer on the table for the support workers is a 25% cumulative raise, 2% retroactive, a 3% bonus and $20,000 per year per employee for health benefits. i called a parent who had their kid out in los angeles during covid who said if you want a pay raise, speaking about the teachers, how about making a

commitment to actually teaching children and noted that this was, had a child in math whose math instruction involved watching youtube videos for a year. >> sandra: that was happening all over the country. >> youtube videos and the teacher said to the family i am in no way obligated to instruct your child. if they can't follow the youtube videos, it's your problem as a parent. >> sandra: the bottom line is why do these kids keep paying the price, the children suffering the most. performance out of the l.a. schools. student performance, l.a. schools, 58% don't meet standards in english, ok. more than half. 71% are not meeting standards in math. and may i remind you the demographic, about 600,000 students, second largest in the naths, 74% latino, 10% white,

african american, 7% asian, 3% on down. sean. >> the parents don't demand better. you can vote in a better government that gives you a better school system. the problem is you have parents who keep voting for left wing politicians who give you the garbage schools. a half a million kids are not in school during the strike, 1,000 schools in l.a. can't read or math, but they know about global warming, they know about diversity, equity and inclusion, and racism. that's what they are being taught. it's not about educating the children and if you want a raise, teach my kids. show the results i have a better educated young population. if you do that for me you get a raise. don't just demand more money when you are failing at your job and not educating the children. >> blame the voters and say oh, you voted for this -- it is incredibly difficult to get rid of a nationwide entrenched union system. that starts from the top all the way down. that is voting out the democrats

from the top down. that is very difficult. and i want to note that 81% of the kids in the l.a. unified school system qualified for free or reduced priced meals, so these kids, half a million kids, they are about, most are hungry today because these people, these union members won't show up for work. >> sandra: it is a sad situation and by the way, lots of lawmakers, sean, are making this about money, even though we have reports like the one i've been talking about today out of illinois that shows some of the school districts with the highest money spent per student still have a reading at grade level rate of 40% or lower. this is adam schiff, your response, sean. >> i don't buy the idea that in los angeles, california in the united states of america that we can't afford people, we can't afford to pay people who look after our kids in school. i think we can afford to make

sure that folks can earn a decent living, that the economy can work for everyone. >> sandra: is that what it's about? >> no correlation between money and results, and i spent nine years in congress. the bottom line, the more money we spend, and a ton of money on homelessness. we have more homeless than before we spent the money. we have worse educated children. a disconnect between dollars and performance. we have to get back to what are the root causes of the problem and if you want to resolve this problem in l.a., give parents the right to choose a school that works for them and charter schools and private schools, the parents will flock to with their children and put the public school out of business and have thriving schools that actually work and teach children. >> sandra: also showed up in the illinois report card, exodus from the public schools in the state as the performance is worse and worse. >> to sean's point, we spend more per child than any other nation in the developed world and this is even before covid and all these public schools.

what did they get from the covid? the covid, like one -- billions upon billions of dollars. >> they have a surplus because of covid money. >> sandra: and i end the segments, so many fantastic teachers out there, we have them in our families and the communities, it's the unions that get in the way and watch los angeles, poor performance as a result of the pandemic. and feel for the kids left home. >> the unions drive the politics. >> what parents have found out is their children are being educated by unions that really hate their kids. that's what's so disgusting. >> sandra: thanks to both of you. see you tonight. john. >> john: the debate over free speech on college campus is back in the spotlight after a judge was shouted down at a stanford law school event and it's even got the ladies on "the view"

taking up the issue with the take we don't often hear from them. >> sandra: now i look forward to new york columnist take, a warning about the woke pushes. she'll be joining us live next. hi, carol. >> maybe all the snowflakes in the world need to get over the fact that people are going to disagree with them. lomita feed is 101 years old this year and counting. i'm bill lockwood, current caretaker and owner.

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>> john: video went viral after students heckled a federal judge speaking at stanford law school, shouting him down and forcing him to cut his remarks short. silencing of opposing viewpoints is getting so extreme even the liberal ladies of "the view" are sick of it.

carol, co-author of "stolen youth," and carol, good to have you with us today. you know, if you were watching "the view" you could be forgiven if you thought you entered an alternative universe when the ladies took on the stanford law students who shouted down you judge kyle duncan. watch this. >> maybe all the snowflakes in the world need to get over the fact that people are going to disagree with them. you see, it's not just one side or the other. everybody has to understand. this is how -- this is how we live. we don't all agree. >> college and law school is a wonderful place to have this exchange of ideas. it gets heated sometimes, that's the part that i like. i like the q & a. i mean, you know, come at me. let's have those discussions because that is what the free exchange of ideas is about. >> john: remember the old star trek episode "mirror mirror," they switched places and a bad

spock and bad kirk, kind of felt like that when i was watching that. >> absolutely, over the years i've seen ladies of "the view" shout down guests on the show, they don't want to hear opposing viewpoints. when they bring in a conservative, they immediately good to town and shut down their ability to speak. so it's actually very convenient to me. i think whoopi has gotten in trouble over the last few years several times for making comments that perhaps she shouldn't have made and she was forced to apologize, and you know, when she says both sides of the aisle do this, i'm sorry, but no, both sides of the aisles don't do this, it's really the left that does this, and they do it to liberals like whoopi and she's maybe had enough of it. >> john: i thought it was rather extraordinary when she said the snowflakes out there need to get over it. but the same time, you've got all the students in university who are shutting down opposing viewpoints, and then at the other end of the educational scale, you've got all these parents who are being shut out of the process when it comes to

educating their kids. >> well, yes, that's been going on for, you know, i would say over a decade in america where this has become standard. if you don't like an opinion on a college campus, you are allowed to shout them down apparently, get the event canceled, all kinds of things. we have gotten to a really bad place. our book "stolen youth," how it's affecting even younger kids now. lack of opinion and rigid-forced conformity has come through the k-12 spaces also. used to be limited to woke college students. now it's everywhere and i love that whoopi is finally aware of it and finally ready to fight back on it, but again, maybe they should start on their show. >> john: in fact, i want to read a quote from your book, call for number four, your take on wokism's effect on children, if they can make our children miserable, lead them to question every building block of society and rebuild their entire concept

of reality the left and the woke indoctrination will consider that a victory. go into a bit more detail on that. >> look, this isn't the first time in history that a totaltarian majority has shut down the views, you are only allowed to have certain opinions or state them in a certain way, wokism is a leftism, coupled with a forced conformity people on the left feel they need to abide by by like whoopi goldberg. and in schools, pediatrician's office and the library and so on, the win is raising resilient children who won't shout down a speaker at their college because they disagree, and that should be the goal for a lot of us. >> john: i want to put up call for number three, sentiments are

changing who is the better party to handle education. a fox news poll, democrats 49%, republicans 44%, what's being taught in schools. and years past the numbers would have probably democrats 57, republicans 35. only within five points, things are changing. >> i would love to see what the methodology of the poll is because i live in a red state and it's far better than the blue state i came from. it's not even close. so you know, polls can show a number of things. i find that hard to believe people trust the democrats more on education. >> john: i'm just saying in years past it would have been 15 point advantage for the democrats, karl rove and i were talking about that. carol, thank you so much, appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> john: sandra. >> sandra: good to see carol. even before potential indictment of president trump comes down, progressive manhattan d.a. alvin bragg is facing a lot of

criticism. republicans saying the george soros' backed prosecutor made his name by downgrading charges, even cutting breaks for violent criminals. his critics say he's doing the exact opposite against the former president, charges on shakey legal ground. is bragg defending the case? >> he is, manhattan district attorney alvin bragg says his office applies the law fairly, but critics questioning the indictment of former president trump usually considered to be a misdemeanor. legal experts say the charge does not rise to a felony legal level and point out that bragg, followed a progressive criminal justice agenda has been accused of being soft on crime. but is now tough when it comes to trump. i talked to the chairman of the new york state republican party. >> just a misdemeanor with

respect to record keeping here in new york state. for it to be felony, it has to be connected to a felony federal case. that was looked at by the southern district of new york, department of justice and they passed on it for good reason. >> prosecuting a political hush money case has been tried in court before, north carolina senator john edwards, he beat the charges. 2012 he was charged with funneling almost $1 million in campaign funds to a mistress who he had a love child with. and they say he tried to conceal it for political reasons but they say it was a gift and he was trying to hide the affair, not from voters but from his wife elizabeth. she later died of cancer. the jury acquitted edwards on one of the counts, deadlocked on the rest. in the end, sandra, prosecutors

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where paul murdaugh was behind the wheel. >> john: it's a bizarre auction. at least the proceeds are going to a good cause. we have john kirby leading off the white house briefing. >> sandra: the news will continue. thanks, john. i'm sandra smith. >> john: i'm john roberts. see you again tomorrow and i'll see you for america's newsroom with dana. "the story" starts now. >> martha: we're awaiting a briefing at the white house. the big question remains, we'll hear something about will he or won't he. manhattan d.a. alvin bragg and former president trump on the hot seats as we await a decision from the grand jury here in manh manhattan. the d.a. is pursuing an indictment of a u.s. president. others say he's on