wednesday or thursday. hasn't happened. >> lawrence: curious to hear from the national security council as well as we get more development. has there been any statement from admiral kirby or dni as well as jake sullivan and national security adviser, peter? anything from them? >> no statements yet. but, it's still early. and this is the kind of thing where it is so sensitive that the national security council would be writing it and then it needs to get reviewed before it goes out. so i would expect something within the next couple hours. but this is not the kind of situation where at least this white house would be putting together a rapid response. >> brian: right. peter, thanks. i know if you get something you will pop right back. in we know. this when he wasn't back in 2020 when he was poisoned and recovered. he was evacuated to germany where they revived him. he went into a coma briefly. he decides as soon as he gets healthy to fly back and try to lead the opposition group. they find a way to jail him because of trumped up some fraud charges. and then it gets worse and worse

and worse. loses basic contact with his family who is keeping his name and mission alive. let's bring in dan hoffman former cia station chief served in moscow, fox news contributor. dan, why do you think the world cares so much about alexei navalny and why does his death matter? >> well, you know, the first thing that came to mind was chris wallace's interview with putin back during the summit asked him how come so many of your opponents end up dead? that's the way vladimir putin operates. remember, navalny had more than 6 million youtube subscribers. published a lot of material about corruption specifically related to vladimir putin. he was considered a threat to putin because he was able to mobilize public opinion against putin's autocratic kleptocracy. now, the key thing to keep in mind here is that russia is going to elections in march. even though navalny was not in a position to really to be a

threat to vladimir putin from jail, from a siberian go log. putin's message is to everyone else. don't do anything but vote for me and ensure that i receive 90 plus percent of the vote or else this is how you are going to end up. that's why he poisoned a man a banned chemical nerve agent. turned a man into a human dirty bomb. killed his opponent in 2015. not because these people were real threats to him but he wants to deliver a message to his own supporters and to everyone else and put the fear in them that they have got to toe the line. >> lawrence: so true. if you are just now joining the program reporting the breaking news alexei navalny is dead right now in prison. dan hoffman is joining us. dan, can you set the stage? what is our intelligence community doing right now to gather information about this. the bigger question as we talk about not just this breaking news but the threat of russia,

what do you expect the president -- what does the president need to say in this moment? >> yeah. so i think, for sure, this is a high priority collection requirement. not necessarily just on the fact that navalny the details about the reflection inside the kremlin. how was putin and senior people reacting do this. how was it planned? in all like lie hood, this was something that vladimir putin planned out for weeks or months potentially. and so all of those details matter. in terms of russia as a threat, let's just remember that what scares vladimir putin the most is democracy. it's not our military might, although to some extent at some times that has deterred him. it's the fact that in the united states, you know, we are a city, the great city on a hill. and we enjoy liberty, freedom and democracy in so many of the world would like to have, including russians based ona value any's own popularity in

that country. that's why vladimir putin always refers to the united states as russia's main enemy. remember, he is a kjb guy. director of russia's ruthless internal security. federal security service, the ffd. and that's the way he operates. >> ainsley: i remember traveling to helsinki you were with the press corps when donald trump sat down with vladimir putin. and you and i had had many conversations about your service in that region, in that area. tell the folks that are listening what it was like. you lived in moscow, right? >> yeah. i spent many years, you know, in the former soviet union, many years of my life. and i could tell you just, you know, my first day in finland, not in russia, that was enough to remove whatever scales were left in my eyes about the brutality of the russian security service and stranglehold they had over

russian society. that's the really the challenge we have here. when the soviet union collapsed, everything collapsed, especially the rule of law and their economy. but the one piece of the soviet union that carried on were their intelligence services. and tragically for the russian people and for the ukrainian people and georgians and others whom the russians have subjugated or sought to subjugate it's vladimir putin who rose from those -- that ash heap of history and imposed the will of the kjb again on that country. it's a real tragedy. >> brian: you know, where he spent his last days was in the most brutal conditions imaginable. it seems he was at the penal economy right by the artic circle. i remember when he went missing a few weeks ago. there was a clam clamor. is he dead? is he gone? all of a sudden had to have a proof of life they showed him. he looked so unsteady on his feet. is it to vladimir putin's benefit to have him dead or is it to his benefit to have him

alive? because if he wanted to be dead he would have been dead a long time ago. do you think in a way this is a problem he does not need? >> so i think the question that the intelligence community is going to be asking, brian, is why now? as you highlight rightly so. this could be reflection of vladimir putin's weakness as he heads into elections. he likes to portray himself as a strong man and carry on that war against ukraine forever. i'm sorry, ukraine is winning. every day that kyiv is an independent country. protecting their sovereignty against the barbaric russian invasion, that's winning. 315,000 russian casualties, that's winning, a revitalized nato with new member finland and sweden ready to join, that's winning. vladimir putin and russia are on their knees reliant on china for export of hydrocarbons, iran for drones and north korea for artillery. that's a bad look for him. i think and this is my

assessment right now and we'll see what our intelligence community says, but i think vladimir putin felt like he was -- he needed to do this. and he is actually weaker than he would like us to think. and, again, leading into elections he needs to show his own people he is stilled strong man. anyone who dares oppose him, this is how they end up. not just in a brutal siberian death camp where navalny we expected would take his last breath but dead there that's the way vladimir putin operates. >> lawrence: real quickly, dan, and you know putin like no other. you and your late wife who have dedicated your life to the country, there was some reports that putin had began to act erratic. not like himself. that he was almost on his death bed. he was making some of these irrational changes. and i'm not sure any of his moves were rational to begin with but, are you still hearing some rumblings about that? >> yeah. you know, so the cia has

leadership analysts who watch vladimir putin every movement, every move he makes publicly to try to assess his medical status and i talk to friends, who do that. and they don't see anything there. some typical things you see in a 70-plus-year-old man with maybe a sore back or maybe a knee problem one thing or another. no indication that he is as ill as you might think or asna value any supporters might have hoped. and i think the other part of this is we may not consider what he is doing rational, but for him, he is behaving in a racial way. >> ainsley: yeah, dan, thank you so much, thank you for serving our country and waking up so early with this breaking news. >> thank you. >> let's bring in general jack keane. is he just now coming from the kremlin saying that they have no confirmation or this is coming from the kremlin they have no confirmation that alexei navalny

his cause of death. what we are hearing, general, if you read some of the reports from the prison. they are saying that he was walking, he collapsed and was unconscious. they were not able to revive him. what do you think? do you believe that report or what do you think happened? >> we can only speculate at this point. the pattern of behavior is obvious. you have already discussed it. if you are an opponent of vladimir putin's, and you are a serious opponent, you are likely to die. i mean, he has killed his opponents on the streets. he has poisoned them. he has imprisoned them as he has done here. this is probably the most popular opponent he has ever had. and it's not surprising that he has met his death one way or the other. likely at the hands of putin and his thugs. >> you talk about courage, general. i mean, this guy was poisoned. he gets evacuated to germany. he gets revived. gets healthy and immediately goes back to moscow. he had to know this was going to be his fate. >> yeah. is he a very principled person to be sure.

and absolutely a man of courage. he certainly knew what he was facing when he got on that airplane and went home and knew likely that he would be imprisoned. but he was welcoming that because he was ta taking a stand against putin and what he stands for. and he was taking a stand for the people of russia, a country that obviously he deeply loves and cares about. >> and he has a right to be a hero, in my judgment inside of russia. given his dedication against this thug and killer who is running the country. >> lawrence: you know, general, i'm just curious your thoughts, as someone that's been following this for years, there does seem to be an escalation in putin taking out his opponents. now, we don't know if that's the case here, but if it's in line with pro-goes and all the rest of the guys that he has taken out you.

>> pregoesen is obviously tied to the war in ukraine. i would say deal with dad in terms of what ukraine has been able to achieve. the united states is literally taken a knee here on supporting ukraine and the europeans will not doing so right now will eventually do so. he looks at the united states in terms of having political weakness at the national level dysfunctional congress all of which he believes is playing into his hands. as such on the battlefield, russian forces are more aggressive than they have been in the past. and likely to take the town in

ukraine in the next several days while the ukrainians, quite naturally are husbanding their resources not knowing what the future is going to be in terms of arms and assistance. and they are obviously in more of a defensive mode than they had been for two years as a result of the speculation surrounding the doubt and skepticism that they are going to continue to be supported. look it what we're facing here so people really understand. yes, it's about the survival of ukraine, but it is stopping putin. stopping putin. the eastern european countries, to include what has taken place at the munich security conference right now, the director of that conference, the former foreign minister of germany, is telling his colleagues that right as we speak, putin is preparing his forces for hybrid warfare in eastern europe, likely focused

on the baltics, similar to what we saw in 2014 in crimea and then in eastern ukraine. >> is he making those preparations, why? because of the confidence that he has that he is going to be able to take ukraine. that the political will of the united states and europe has broken. and he has broken it. and that is what he is doing. and, listen, the thing we got to understand about putin, he does what he says. and he has talked about ukraine for years. and talked about the former states that were a part of the soviet union, returned to the soviet empire. he has never given up on these things and he is moving in that direction. we have got wake up and take this issue seriously. and do many people in the united states really want to see europe blown up like we're talking about here? do we really want to live in a world where the soviet union -- excuse me where russia, iran, and china are calling the shots,

where they are the aggressors? they have the initiative, they have the momentum and we are back on our heels? you can see what is happening in the middle east as a result of it. you can see what's happening in the political will of the united states. concerning ukraine. and president xi's aggression has increased significantly in the last two to three years. this is all related. we have to wake up to recognize the threat that we're facing simultaneously from china, russia, and iran. >> brian: just so you know if you ride the institute of the study of war which you put out and read everything there is. this isn't speculation. is he already trying to infiltrate moldova. lithuania believes they will be attacked in the next couple of years. it's helping the western -- our nato alliance bulk up their military but we're allowing this to happen we're going to look back in 2024 what were we thinking allowing them to take a

country that actually killed over 300,000 of the invading forces and destroy the bulk of their navy defying all odds. there is no doubt about it what the ukrainians have done exceeded everybody's expectations and certainly their determination, courage, the resolve of their people. we have got to keep supporting them. we do have an opportunity to stop putin cold right here in ukraine. that's the reality of what we are facing. and i hope we find the political will to do just that. eyewitness ains you are right. this is a reminder of what could happen if russia continues to invade and take over. general, thank you for your service. >> brian: just one second. >> lawrence: real quickly, go ahead, brian. >> brian: general keane, what's your take now of what the fate of whelan is and "wall street journal" reporter gertsd very much? when they see this high profile prisoner die at 47 from his conditions it seems. what do you think the americans

are facing? >> i think the americans are bargaining chips for putin. these the reality of it. i think he is going to make certain that they are properly taken care of. certainly psychological health and physical well-being isn't what it should be medically speaking i suspect he wants them alive so he can use them for his own personal gain in bargaining with the united states. i think that's kind of where we are with them. and, certainly, all the pressure that we can put on him to get our folks out of there is very appropriate. >> lawrence: general, real quickly, you just went into detail why america should support ukraine. why is the white house struggle to make that case in eloquent where the american public can understand why this matters? >> >> very good point, lawrence, something we have been saying for some time.

the white house never has really made the case of why ukraine matters to the american people, why it's related to our own security. why we united with europe in terms of our own economic prosperity and the fact that stability and peace in the world enhances not only our security but enhances our own economic prosperity. and it's been that way since world war ii. he should absolutely have made the case as one of the problems we have. he doesn't have a strategy for an end state. but it doesn't meanwhile we disagree with how he is voicing his concerns about ukraine, it doesn't mean we shouldn't support ukraine, even though we disagree with our president and how is he handling the issue. that's a mistake. those who believe that. well, he is not giving us the proper strategy. he is only providing half measures in terms of advanced weapon systems. not in a timely or in a

sufficient quantity when needed. if we walk away because of those reasons, then we doom ukraine and we doom europe because we're going to face a war in europe. we have got to get it in our heads if we don't stop putin now he continues. we have to put more troops in there. we have to put f-35s in there that can deal with his integrated air defense system. we have to put stealth bombers. we have more ships that we have to put in there. we want to put five carrier battle groups out in the pacific. we're not going to be able to do that if putin takes ukraine. we're going to have to resource europe to protect nato and they are going to have to commit further troops to it as well. the cost is all going to go up. and we have got to see the reality in front of us. >> ainsley: general, have we seen something like this in the past when an election it is approaching? dan just reminded us they have elections over there in march, in a few weeks. and, you know, alexei navalny he organized anti-kremlin protests

back 14 years ago. he started that blog where he was speaking about the corruption. he was an activist. and that's when he was imprisoned. but, have we seen this happen in the past when vladimir putin has run an election? >> now, the last time there was any pushback on an election was in 2011. and there won't be any consequences in my view to this in any significant way. maybe some protests, remember, but he is -- he has organized himself to stop protests at the beginning of the protest. and his thuggery, the people come out in the black helmets with the black bully sticks with them. and they immediately start beating on the protesters. he has learned that he can't let protest form in the streets. he won't let it happen here. the people, by the way, every single day on state television, the people are being blasted

with a false narrative of why he is in ukraine to stop the nazification of ukraine. why he continues to be there. because he is -- it's the united states and the west that are aligned against him and they are hunkering down trying to defend the values of russia, the values of russian history against us in europe. fighting for liberty. that's the pollution that the russian people get. now, some of them have outside sources and really know the truth. but the truth is that many are supporting the effort in ukraine, despite casualties and despite the fact that it's now developing into some protraction and why is that. >> ainsley: can i piggy back on that? >> they are supporting putin. >> ainsley: how will russia state television report this?

>> i think they are going to report it matter factually as someone who died in prison as a result of medicines and ill health. i suspect something like that they are not going to provide our narrative support the fact that there was coercion here death: the family speak out they have been vocal. if they speak out too much they could have the same fate. tough for wife and kids ought 47 years old you should not be dying of natural causes unless you are in a penal colony in siberia in the artic circle. thanks so much, general. you outlined the case brilliantly. >> military age men have left. they have locked up $300 million of vladimir putin's personal wealth. i don't think he is getting back. >> lawrence: putin critic, protester, vocal critic of the

kremlin of vladimir putin, let's bring in peter doocy at the white house. hey, peter. >> peter: this is a president joe biden who likes to talk tough when the subject is vladimir putin. we have seen that over the last three years including almost three full years ago when we went with president biden to switzerland for a sitdown with vladimir putin and he was asked specifically about what is going to happen to putin if navalny dies in prison. listen here. >> mr. president quick following the same theme. you said just now you spoke to him a lot about human rights. what do you say what happens if navalny dies? >> i made it clear to him i believe the consequences of that would be devastating for russia. i will go back to the same point. what do you think happens when he is saying it's not about hurting navalny, all the stuff

he says to rationalize the treatment of navalny? and then he dies in prison. i pointed out to him that it matters a great deal when a country in fact and they ask me why i thought it was important to continue to have problems with the president of syria. i said because violation of international norm, it's called a chemical weapons treat. y. it's about trust. it's about their ability to influence other nationsed in a positive way. >> peter: that was 2021. president biden warning putin of devastating consequences for him and for russia if na navalny di. we don't know what happened but he died. a year after that soundbite that you just heard from the president, he warned putin of devastating consequences if he

invaded ukraine and he went ahead and invaded ukraine anyway. that is a war that continues. again, some of the early -- i heard you talk about russian state media coverage of navalny's death in prison. some of the early state coverage is claiming that navalny passed away from a blood clot that got detached. we obviously have no idea what actually happened here but, this is something that gets the other big international russia story off the front pages at least for this morning which was that u.s. -- the u.s. and its allies are growing increasingly concerned and trying to figure out how to respond to a possible plan by putin to put some sort of a nuclear device to take out spy satellites in outer space. back to you. >> brian: the munich security conference is going on right now. representing our country is vice president kamala harris. now, i'm not sure what the time change when they are speaking, but i know she is going to be speaking. do you think those remarks get

into this? this would be a moment for her to not only say how outraged she is to maybe have a plan of sanctions or something else, certainly condemnation. because the world's powers, western powers are together right now. going to be looking for that, peter? >> peter: we will look for that if she does say something, it's going to be really interesting, because, typically, with a huge international event like this, the administration wants the president to be the first person to say something about it. so, i'm not sure exactly when she is planning to talk in germany at this conference, but, i would think that president biden will, at the very least, have a paper statement on it first that she can then echo. it's a big moment for both of them. it's only been 8 days since a special counsel detailed in 300 plus pages that president biden has at least in october for two days, significant problems with his memory. he is out to prove that he does

not at least have problems backing up what he said in 2021 that there are going to be significant consequences for russia if the navalny dies in prison. it's also a big moment for kamala harris. she is the one telling the "wall street journal" i am ready to lead and she is the one who is on the world stage right now with a bunch of heads of state at some point within the next couple hours, she will have an opportunity to back up president biden's tough talk. but, i would be really surprised if she goes first. >> ainsley: so, peter, we should expecting devastating consequences, today, some time in the near future, right? >> peter: well, it will be really interesting when they come out to talk about this to hear them explain what is more devastating in terms of consequences than what they have already done to russia. >> they brag a lot about how they basically put russia on an island from the rest of the world. >> brian: just not true. >> peter: that's what they talk about here they are not going to

put u.s. troops in eastern europe to fight russian guys in ukraine or anywhere else. at least not yet economic sanctions international pressure punish putin for the ukraine war. i don't know what they would do that would be worse than what they have already done. the president canceled all new natural gas contracts. we were supplying. supplying natural gas to europe, russia. we promised to help out subsidize and take over and be number one supplier and they would be our number one customer where obviously a more reliable partner. and, when you stop the contracts on nationa natural gas, allies e front nervous. >> peter: well, yes, folks around here say that gas prices have home have fallen from where

they were a couple years ago. i don't think there is going to be any change. >> brian: talking about natural gas to europe. >> peter: sorry. i can hear somebody in the next tent over giving the report on the same topic. >> brian: great analysis, peter, thank you. >> ainsley: thanks, peter. >> lawrence: this is perfect opportunity. questions about the president's health and what he can do to be strong. this is opportunity for him to lay out the vision for the country why this matters. this is also a way to strip support in the sense of what the funding looks like own national interest. i think the american people by and large support the ukrainian people. want to know where the money is going. they also want the european countries to do more. >> brian: in proportion they are doing a lot. >> let's bring in dana perino on what she thinks the white house needs to say today. good morning, dana. i know you are already awake.

>> dana: yes, i'm here. i'm just upstairs you would not want to see me right now, believe me. i have got some work to do before i'm there at 9:00. a very sad day for navalny's family. >> i'm sure they have been expecting this for a while. navalny is the opposition leader was treated terriblably, to say the least. held in torturous conditions. and several assassination attempts on his wife. made me think what the white house should do today. one, of course, they should acknowledge navalny's death. they should call upon the government of russia, president putin to release the americans that are being held there. evan gershkovich, the "wall street journal" reporter who is being held on bogus charges of being a spy paul whelan who deserves to return home. i heard a story this week about a man who was american man who is married to a russian woman.

they got a divorce. >> she takes the kids. she goes to russia. he goes to try to get the kids. files lawsuit, he ends up 21 years and he is in a prison and his sisters are in texas can't get proper nutrition while they try to fight this in 21 years? he probably won't come home unless our white house and state department really make an effort to get them back. >> brian: i know ourselves spoke to paul whelan, i think this week, just to check in on them. there is frustrations through the roof. especially when brittney griner got let out. we want everybody out. but this guy is a marine, also he is just sitting in prison rotting away. and vladimir putin recently referred to paul whelan you know, we are looking at that we're looking at that he is looking for a deal. we don't really have any of their guys. there might be somebody that was caught in germany that we might want to swap there. you think vladimir putin feels any pressure at all?

does he care about any condemnation at all, dana? >> dana: i don't think he cares about much of anything. in fact, you were just talking with peter doocy about the munich conference taking place right now. kamala harris will be there. >> of course, you know information like this from russia you have to take it with a grain of salt. who knows when navalny really died? was it yesterday? i don't know. or did they hold this information to announce it as the munich conference gets underway to remind everybody who putin thinks is in charge in europe. >> ainsley: that's a good point. if you think about the timing of this. the elections are in march. the nukes going to space. that's been a front cover news story. that was news part of all of our coverage yesterday so you are louisville right. what do you make of the timing of this? >> i feel for him. there was an amazing documentary about navalny that he highly recommend and it was done by a director named daniel roar.

and it's called victim in a weapon, i believe navalny only 47 years old. a good-looking man, brave and courageous person. weighs effective and had a movement around him. i do feel like that has been very much squashed by putin since ukraine invasion and part of that is because they are trying to control information, of course. they control what can you see on the internet. you don't get to have access to free information. so it's really hard, ainsley, to say what exactly has happened or the timing. i'm speculating there that he wanted to make this announcement on the morning of the munich conference kick-off. i could be totally wrong. i had a couple interactions with putin when i was white house press secretary. actually even when i was the deputy. and i remember how when i went to go and brief the president before they were going to do their press conference, the white house comms office reminded me please when you are

doing the briefing remind putin that our press corps is likely to ask him questions about freedom of the press in russia. now, this is at the time, ainsley, when it was so surprising that there were so many journalists in russia who happened to walk right out of their windows or their apartment buildings and fall to their death. so i brought it up. i was very nervous, but i did it. and he it looked me and he said well, why would i do that when president bush just fired that news man? and president bush said what are you talking about? and it was about dan rather. cbs news had just fired dan rather for the fabrication of the documents and the reporting on the documents that said he hadn't served. and the president said, vladimir, that's not how it works. he doesn't work for me. >> brian: he doesn't get us. he doesn't understand. >> dana: he doesn't work for me. he works for a private company. that private company made that

decision, and i'm telling you -- i'm advising you don't go out there and say that that's not true. if you go back and look at that press conference, sure enough our press corps asked about press freedoms in russia, and he said. >> ainsley: that's what he is used. to say. >> brian: legendary chess player in new york putin tried to murder navalny quickly and secret any in prison. now he has murdered him slowly and publicly in prison. exposing putin mafia corroboration they are. my thoughts are with the brave man's thoughts and children. >> dana: deservedly so. >> brian: bill browder do that after the break. dana, thank you for your perspective. look forward to your show in 90 minutes. >> dana: see you soon. >> brian: drawrm in the courtroom as embattled fulton county d.a. fani willis makes this display on the stand. >> i probably had some choice words. mr. wade is a southern

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>> brian: got a fox news alert now. it's not good news. alexei navalny at the age of 47 has passed away we believe in his prison cell this according to russian media. intense interest on his welfare. he has been the most vocal high profile critic of vladimir putin. he knew his life was in jeopardy from the moment he landed back in moscow after being poisoned in 2021 alexis hogan. they are reporting he had a blood clot that ended up go attaching and dead because of that there is speculation pacest based on putin's past

how he really died and what is really going on. in fact there is an election next month in march to reelect vladimir putin do you mind responding to this? >> we are starting to hear these statements come out around the world what other political leaders are saying as well, of course of the family members surrounding advocate. 47 years old as of this morning that he has died in prison reportedly according to prison security and officials there that he returned from this walk and essentially collapsed medical responders were not able to resuscitate him kremlin not given any details. what they say in the hours and days moving forward and as you mentioned earlier with peter doocy there in front of the white house. we will likely be waiting to hear a strong statement from the white house as well as other

international statements about what this could look like. far from a secret vocal critics against russian president vladimir putin have since been jailed or no longer alive. what we are learning as of this morning still a lot of details around those -- this evolving situation but it was last year whether navalny's prison sentence was extended to 19 years. racking up to more than 30 years. he was also moved to one of the most tough russian jails. this was a penal colony north of the artic circle. so very dire, difficult conditions there. and for anyone who had been watching and following this case, we had seen in recent months the footage of navalny appearing gaunt, losing tremendous amounts of weight we have seen how difficult that

must have been for the family to see their loved one behind bars looking more and more emaciated every time that they were able to get in touch with him. it was several months ago when he actually went missing in prison, when he was being transferred to one facility. so, again, to have more news today gefs stating news for the family. looking at who he was, this was a lawyer-turned politician, one of the most vocal critics of russian president vladimir putin specifically trying to break down and condemn a continued corruption that he was a fierce critic against he tried running for different political positions, and led some of the demonstrations against russian president vladimir putin but also other members of the government there. in some of these photos can you

see how gaunt he appears. to have the news today to say that he has died and we're watching to find out exactly what those conditions would have been, where exactly he was in that prison that time this morning looking back on what we saw it was in 2020 when he was poisoned with nerve agent. he was serving this long sentence and heavy blow for his family today. >> brian: thanks, alex. jennifer griffin said at the munich conference security conference. blamed navalny's death in prison while speaking to global leaders. al have a any addressing a russian judge. he was find the day before. bill browder come up, famously his lawyer. that begin ski the one that was killed. that begin ski act now in place some of some controversy.

he cessna value any was fine yesterday. you should expect a full cover-up in short order. can i predict the language they will use, natural causes, no sign of violence, unexpected death. >> ainsley: 47 years old. that's my age. and if i went out for a walk, i doubt i would fall over be unconscious. >> lawrence: same rhetoric he always uses. brian another fox news alert. >> brian: in half hour embattled fulton county attorney fani willis will get back on the stand. lawrence lawrence heated day in court defending her romantic relationship with trump's special prosecutor nathan wade. >> ainsley: brooke singman is here with all the details. >> i spoke exclusive whether i former president trump after willis' testimony yesterday and he told me, quote, it is so badly tainted the case will have to be dropped. there is no way they can have a case, the whole things was a

scam to get money for the boyfriend. fulton county d.a. fani willis quite combative on the stand receiving several cautionary warnings from the judge. watch. >> you're confused. you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for trying to steal an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> has he ever visited you at the place you laid your head. >> let's be clear because you have lied in this. i will tell you which one you lied in. right here. i think you lied right here. >> your honor, i'm going to object. >> no, no, no, no. >> it is the truth. it is a lie. it is a lie. >> thank you, we are going to take five minutes. be back in five. >> i probably had some choice words about your things that you said that were dishonest within this motion. as you know mr. wade is a southern gentleman. me, not so much. >> yeah, when asked if her relationship with prosecutor nathan wade ended prior to the indictment against trump, willis wasn't willing to give a clear answer. listen. >> i'm asking you whether or not prior to november 1st of 2021,

whether there was a romantic relationship with mr. wade, that's very simple. it's either a yes or a no. >> i don't consider my relationship with him to be romantic. before that i'm not a hand holder from at least 2020, me and mr. wade were friends -- we were friends. we hung out in november of 2021, i hired him. i do not consider our relationship to have become romantic until early of 2022. >> the romantic relationship ended before the indictment was returned yes or no? >> -- to a man, yes. >> and d.a. willis is expected back in court at 9:00 a.m. eastern time and fox news will be bringing that to you live. guys? >> lawrence: thanks, brooke. the interesting thing that she said that she didn't watch the testimony. but apparently she appeared magically outraged in the court right after the testimony ended and interrupted was all out of control by the way. the interesting point also brian and ainsley, she said that she was never in d.c. at the same

time as mr. wade pushing back against the allegation that she was at the white house at the same time as wade before she decided to get an indictment of donald trump: i would like to dig into that a little bit more to see if they were in d.c. at the same time and both at the white house. >> brian: met with white house justice officials in athens. some type of coordination irtime went there i don't want to talk about that. talk about the relationship and how it might compromise the case. what really effects the trump plan is or politically, are you coordinating with the white house? >> lawrence: right. >> what i gathered first of all was her demeanor. she is sitting back she very defiant. she disa herself. she was called down by the judge twice over her outburst during this heated testimony. i think that this was just a

legal disaster. it was great division because we learned a lot about their life together. we learned that they went to napa, they had wine pairings with champagne and chocolate and cavier. we learned she didn't like wine even though they spent lots of money on this lavish trip. she likes grey goose. she likes vodka. paid back all these trips. he paid with taxpayer dollars. paid for the trip. she says she has lots and lots of cash in her house. because her daddy told he or she to have six months worth of cash in her house. she paid him back with that cash. where are the deposit slips of you depositing all that cash she gave you into your bank account, mr. wade? and he said i didn't deposit any of that cash. and then she says -- she said she owed a friend money. you tell me it's a g. then you are going to get a thousand dollars. and she said -- talked about her dad six months but i don't have cash now. >> lawrence: ainsley, she went on a multitude of monologues. and the judge allowed her to do this. compare this to the trump case.

remember, she is a witness. she is not acting as the d.a. at this moment. this is not her cans though make a public statement or anything. she has to answer the questions that are provided her. if you compare it to when donald trump took the stand, and was a witness, the judge said you keep this up i'm going to strike it from the record. that didn't happen here. >> brian: judge scott mcafee ultimately makes the decision if she stays on the case. if it does get on the case it sullies the case. gave the critic as lot to go with. the question is do you believe the friend of 30 years when she said the relationship started in 2019 or do you believe her when she started in 2021? do you believe that she has got all this cash in her house yet no withdrawal slips and no proof that she even made that money? does anyone believe that she maimed lead prosecutor simply on the merit when he is used to doing car crashes and doing divorce cases? karen hornsson said professor at georgia state says even if the judge finds no conflict you have interest or even the appearance

of conflict as a matter of public perception this hearing has been damaging. anthony christ a law professor at georgia state says the testimony of the friend had contradicted the prosecutor's timeline, it's a major issue for willis. it further evidence shows that she is not telling the truth, she is done and maybe this case is done. >> ainsley: the friend said they were in a relationship before she hired him says it happened after and before the case got green lighted she said she rented my condo. friends since college for 30 years shoe was on zoom yesterday doing that. >> lawrence: the moment that they point to is this moment that we are about to play where bonnie-fani willis says i'm not the one on trial here. >> your offers objected to us

getting delta records listen, i object to getting records. you have been intrusive into people's personal lives. you are confused. you think i'm on trial. these people are on trial for stealing an election in 2020. i'm not on trial no matter how hard you try to put me on trial. >> did he ever visit you at a place that you resided? >> okay. i don't understand. you will have to give me guidance. in 2020 i lived in south fulton. that's the only place i lived in south fulton. that's before i had to. >> clarify. >> he never came. if you don't come some place you can't live there. >> ms. willis, i will have to caution you, that's going to be my first time i have to caution and you have to listen to the questions as asked. and if this happens again and again, i'm going to have no choice but to strike your testimony. >> lawrence: i have never seen a witness be able to object on the stand. wasn't even a legal objection. and the judge didn't even say anything when she objected in that moment. it's crazy.

>> brian: what she was asking for delta records to prove they were flying out together. when she says he bought my ticket i paid him back in cash? what's the proof, i don't have any. why are you objecting? and looks to the judge to change the subject. but the bottom line is the people at home have seen the jerry springer show before. >> ainsley: that's exactly what i thought. >> brian: this is what it was. >> ainsley: going to be on air again this morning. >> brian: let's see if she reforms her ways. people said you did great and she will be more belligerent. meanwhile this breast cancer now and a big fox news alert. if you are just joining us world leaders stunned and most of them together in the west at munich conference by the death of the detained opposition leader alexei navalny. russian media says personnel called to the cell where been serving prison sentence. authorities weren't able to revive him. cause of death still being determined. he was 47 years old. if you saw the video, maybe we will get it. you will see he was near death and had trouble standing up the last time in february when we saw him for proof of life.

>> lawrence: so true. let's bring in morgan ortagus the former state department spokesperson. morgan, you have been in the room with things things like this happening? what do you think the secretary of state is doing at this moment? >> good morning, guys wasn't that long ago prigozhin suddenly dyed in a miss serious plane crash. so what you are looking at right now if you are the secretary of state what sanctions options you may have on this. so, after navalny was chemically poisoned in 2020, actually survived that, that was towards the end of the trump administration, the biden team came in and coordinated sanctions with the your honor mean union and in march of 21, towards individuals that were involved in that value any poisoning, specifically these were individuals involved in the

development and use of chemical weapons. that's the way that the u.s. government were able to get those individuals involved there will be a variety of sanctions options going to be challenging in this instance. we obviously have seen the remarks and read the remarks russians that he collapsed. the chemical weapons use ona value any in 2020 was so much more overt and deliberate gave you a wider range of sanctions options. we know that president biden has said that he has warned putin a few years ago basically not to touch navalny. putin is feeling the wind in his sails after recently taking on prigozhin. he is out of the picture putin is doing this because number one he has a long history of doing it, also, number two, he thinks he will be able to get away with it. i think this is why me and others for the past two years have said, listen, the initial sanctions package against the

russians after they invaded ukraine was a decent sanctions package. but it was never followed up with secondary sanctions. we still have the same stuff on the books from two years ago. the two-year anniversary of putin invading ukraine at the end of next week. and we still have the same sanctions on the book. it was never fossilled up. >> brian: all right, morgan, thanks so much. appreciate it. morgan ortagus giving perspective on the death of navalny. more on this in just a moment. you are watching "fox & friends." ♪ choice hotels is a family of brands with a hotel for any traveler you want to be. like #1 chef dad, cookin' up a free, hot breakfast for the entire family at a comfort hotel. mom made this. umm, i... added the garnish. stay twice and get a free night when you book direct.

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