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>> trey: good evening, and thank you for joining us. i'm trey gowdy and it isan "sunday night in america." one character ha chas left georh which is doubling as electionof interference case, but the show goes on them at least for. scott mcafee with prosecutionll nathan wade was not quite special after all but youg believe the case. thtoe judge left the fani willis on the prosecution team despiter significant questions about her credibility. judge mcafee reminded us oncmere again, prosecutors are held to high and exacting standard. the power to indict and prosecute, rule reputations, should be wielded fairlyd it. it is, however, rare for prosecutors kicked off t the cae absent with actual conflict of interest. it is not so the drop of a judge to do what is right. prosecutor should not even needo to bole reminded or scolded by c judges. prosecutors should embrace justice, not each other. prosecutor should be fair, notic

risk. repubthe public should not even remind that. fox news contributor, welcome, paul, it is great to have you especially on an issue like this. it is a mixed ruling. weight is gone, fani willis cana stay, what do you make affect?su >> essentially breaks out into part two part, first, he says there is no indication that ther case was brought for improper motive. fair enough, so he says the case can continue. but then he doubles down on the idea that real propr improprietc hereh , which is judge for likey perjury. and what he says is, that is going to be for others to invstigate. i will let the case continue come up they were all these irregularities that they are looking at, and it should be up to the judges or the state act of assembly because that is who is investigating right now. and by implication, the governor

can appoint a special prosecutor potentially or ag car, the georgia state ag, who can also f unassailable. that is tough words forevab fani willis and her belief ability. he is saying that isai for other ople to sort out whether shed committed perjury.se i don't see an actual conflict that results in her dismissae but that doesn't mean she's offl the hook. >>clea it doesn't at all. this wilis rl continue and let's

remember the georgia statealre senate is investigating. they also interviewed and offered subpoenas. there is a subpoena pending in the house that jim jordan hast had issued and he's about to hold her in contempt for not complying. that is not a great option if sitting with the georgia state officials are, if it ends up being a federal official that starts to crack this open. so, i think really what has to happen here, and i think thithas what the judge did come he said uit is up to you to run with te ball.e ba there is a lot here and there is a view to issue the search warrants with 10,000 text messages, which were apparentlyr sent between the two prior toal her hiring him. those will tell the tale. they are retrievable as are the emails. what is interesting, trey, if they go down that route and a general correct criminal and investigation grand jury, maybee even consider flipping weighed against willis, what you will hs

is the original sin here that the judge dismissed, which is was this brought for improper motive? you will get insight from thoseo emails and remember something else, therrviee were interviewst the white house.atio an investigation goes all the way up, according to the reporting, willis herself met with kamala harris. l that's coming from the dependent site appear there is a lot hereo it comes down to the willingness to open the case in person which. >> trey: our viewers have seened alvin bragg, fani willis. prosecutors are not supposed to act like this but work for ain l pointed woman holding the scales. i will give you a last word what has happened with progressivepal prosecutors. >> iwellt is really a shame.udge the judge alludes to it andis talks about her professionalism on the stand. the fact this is falling apartea test that out on this case because they seem to have problems and those who grew up in the low, worked in the lawg f and law enforcement, this is a t

great day for amerericato jurisprudence. that is kind of thing that makes you say to yourself, what is def going on here and is only happening because the defendant's name is trump? trey: it is sad but we are glad to have you break it down and we think you for paul mauro to break it down. >> thank you, congressman. >> trey: specialecia counsel robert hur had a difficult job and challenging environment.rt t the report he gave her republicans and democrats, something to like and something dislike. d so it a sign of happiness orr te failure?en biden's was either incompetent to standis o trial and participe in hisseco own defense or two, essential element from elementary element of the defense was missing or three, the evidence was there but prosecutorial discretion said, "don't go forward because a jurw will not convict."t which was it and does it matter?

north dakota congressman kelly armstrong to me had a veru effective line of questioning during the committee hearing this week, butbut he ran into t ridiculous five minute deadlineo congress applies. nt oso bad questioners get the e amount of time is good ones, bui not here. he joins us now. congressman, i'm not sure what robert hur was arguing from a legal incompetency or l discretion? what did you hear? >> i would have liked toioni continue my questioning on that very thing.r it is clear biden willfully possess the documents. they were national securityhad documents. they have him on audio reading national securityhi documents, classified documents to hischy ghostwriter, which is essentially all the elements of the crime.go there are only three. so how do you do not recommend u prosecution? it goes into exactly what youral said, two people had a bad day during the hearing. president biden had a bad day te because it is clear he conducted

and did the illegal acts and political ramifications are you can't prosecute him because he r will cover crosses in forgetfula well-meaning old man is runningn for president. but the doj had another bad day. the underlying report clearly establishes he willfully collected those documents, and yet, can they don't refer it fon further action. >> trey: itrey like the law betr than i do politics, but i want to switch to politics for a second. it is hard to win next congressional hearings. they were as a media headwind and lf the panel is going inbala another direction.thin unbalanced, do you think it was worth having hur there?a mo did you learn more than when you woke up tuesday morning? uand do you think his testimony moved to any american voters? >> i didn't because i spent a lot of time with the report.e i think it is important that we do that. i do think people can clearly see over the last since 2016, rn

trey, only three people have run for president, only three. hillary clinton, joe biden, donald trump. all three have been accused of mishandling classified een documents. only one has been prosecuted.idn it is the only former president to ever be prosecuted. and i think special prosecutorbt hur laid there that ted president biden committed eh and every one of the underlying elements of the crime so people get to see in real time that weh have people being treated very differently depending on who they are.ctio >> trey: yeah, if you leave the instruction part out of it and look at the underlyings ar criminal statute, i think the facts are much better against joe biden than they are donald trump. he served in the senate. he was on committees where he knew he could not do what he did, and he did over a longeru period of time. before i will let you go, i wanted to ask you two lines in the report. one about biden being an elderly man with a poor memory and one

about trump's case being different. and thosate two lines enlist mo questions. if you were the special counsel or ag come are those lines necessary? could he have done his job without including either of those lines? >> i think when you're not goine to refer this case for furtherts prosecution even though he coul have said we don't prosecute sitting presidents, that is not what he did. i think the addition why they were not prosecuting president biden was necessary. with regards to president trumpy lined, i use to prosecute and be a defense attorney and the answer is, okay you committed a crime but cooperated afterwards or didn't cooperate afterward so her with theharge underlying crime. american people know that would be a ridiculous outcome. so i don't know the difference out of a separate set of charges crimfor trump and the underlying crime with keeping classified .t dence >> trey: cooperation goes to the senatego but not to whetherr

not you were charged, you are right. i am a harsh critic and used toe watching john ratcliffe's of tha world. i thought you did a fantastic job, when i found myself being happy you went first and sad yoa had to stop after 5 minutes. so congratulations on a job well done. >> thank you, sir. >> trey: coming up, joe bidensig has a hard time using the word "illegal" but according tot re special counsel robert hur he might not have heard that.figh plus the g.o.p. is fighting the wind back to the senate in 2024 and bernie moreno is in thee fight for the nomination in ohio. he is next on "sunday night in america." ♪ ♪ to duckduckgo on all your devie

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♪ ♪ >> trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america." most anything goes in politicslt these days. you can coal forwarders to makei voters deplorable or racist, misogynist, homophobic.publ you can call black republicans uncle tom, a french relic wasu dummy. you can use words likeacis terrorist, white supremacist, extremist, an arc for your opponents.a se you can even belittle a senatorl for where she sat while giving a speech.th anythingis! except this. >> laken riley, an innocent young woman who was killed by an illegal, that is right. how many thousands of people being killed by illegals. >> trey: because then, you have to do this. >> you use the word "illegal" talking about the man who allegedly killed laken riley.le. >> an undocumented person.so i shouldn't have used illegal, a

should have used undocumented. i will not touch treat any of te people with disrespect. >> so you regret using that word? >> yes. >> trey: those are stunning whilwords to hear that people le the man who bludgeoned lakenke riley to death built this country and should be treatey td with respect, with respect, mr. president. the man who killed laken riley did not enter this country. and he destroyed it. he took her life and sentenced her family and friends to a prison of grief for thema remainder of their lives. we hear a lot about so-called nddreamers. well, americans have dreams tooe or had dreams. laken rile y dreamed of being a nurse, but those dreams died right beside her. while msnbc may be offended at the word "illegal," the rest of us are not. she was killed, which is

illegal, by someone unlawfully in the country, which is illegal. apparently is fineooti to know t y itbut you just can't say it. the left has no trouble naming thick tents who advance theiro d causes. no trouble demonizing people dothey don't like. but you can't call a man illegally in the country who illegally took a life, illegal!n and the fact that biden e tells us a lot. we are not talking about a valedictorian. wet are talking about a defendat who kidnapped a woman, bludgeoned her to death, drug her to a secluded area, disfigured her skull, and trieda to avoid apprehension by consoling her body!rdeginat h illegal be harley begins to cape what he did. rather than protecting the feelings of his base, the president should tryprot to pro the people don't make the lives

of the people he swore to. defend. you know, the left wanted to wanted to defund the police andn elect prosecutors who cannot find anyone where they areabou prison. now, they worry about showing c respect to capital, eligible defendants. and i wonder win what we haveto become. joining us now senator tim scott from the great state of south carolina. senator, laken riley is not the first nor will she be the lastr person to lose her life at the hands of someone here illegally. i wonder when is it finally going to be enough to act? >> i cannot understand president biden to save my life, trey. god bless america with a new president. we were better off under trump, but i have to tell you this. a president of the united states more concerned with the term illegal versus undocumented,rder when the term he should be using his murder is frustrating andl disgusting. i cannotyo tell you as a kid who

grew up in a household of a health assistant who dedicatedmi 50 years of her life to make oplesure people were better off. seeking laken riley who wantedo to go down the same path to help americans, to make us better, to be murdered on her own streets out for a job and have a president of the united states going on any tv station and apologize for calling the murder "illegal" means he is not fitno for office. we need a new president.t we need someone who respects the laws of the country and who closes the southern border andts stands up for innocent life. yes, laken riley's innocent life! frustrating as it is, trey, we know more murderers are coming intor co the country and moreco rapists are coming into the country. a haitian person raped another

american. i'm sick and tired, trey, of hearing the stories that are formidable. the president of the united states becomes complacent when he refusemplis to close our southern border. he is complicit when he calls at person andai he has certainly complicit when the first 100 days, he had 94 executive actions. to make our country unsafe. >> trey: he may well be complicit, but he is not alone. katie porter who wound up beingc too liberaall even for californa wanted to make sure we didn'ton use just one murder to change policy. but also the senator from georgia said pretty much thet to same thing. i want to listen to raphael warnock anfaeld ask you a quests on the other side. >> laken riley did not deserve what happened to her. this is smoke and mirrors. people who are not serious.rren the only way to address the

current crisis on the border in a body of government is on a bipartisan basis. rather than demagoguing this y tragic death by this young woman, they ought to get serious. and let's pass on bipartisansa legislation to deal with theisis crisis. >> trey:. you know, senator warnock said, "she did not deserve what happene hapd tt her." that is a stunning thing to say. i wouldn't want you to step outo on a limb, senator, didn'tto deserve what happened to her? he also says it is smoke and mirroror what do you say? >> trey, she got murdered! weapon her was a crime. she was murdered on the streets where she should have been safe. she was not safe because liberal elites including the president a of the united states refuses to be serious and to get serious about securing our southern border. she was murdered, trey, alongal with 70,000 other americans who

already lost their lives to fentanyl! they died senseless deaths that were preventable if we close our southern border. every single e american of gooda conscious should bgee outraged y the comments of the liberal elites, the democrats who believe it is okay to appease their base. it is okay to have preferences for illegal immigrants, but it is not okay for us to be outraged at the murderers at the hands of illegals in our country. they broke law the law to get h. this one broke a law twicent b periods we of fact president biden felt the need to apologize for insulting someonel murder tells us all we need to e know about the current state of the left friends of the democrat party. senator t tim scottot from the t state of southern california,epb thank you, sir.

>> trey: has republicans look to win the senate in 2024, weonw look at certain states and wonder, how did that happen? how does a democrat win montana? how do republicans win massachusetts, maryland well a democrat wins in kentucky? andd you l look at ohio increasingly a red state and hol is senator sharon brown still there?esen how can a liberal senator represent ohio? several candidates competing to change that this bowl. bernie moreno princess now and he is one of them.g on so how does sharon brown hang on? ohio is a red state and browna e ain't a red senator, so how does he win? >> well, he comes by an election season and pretends he is aecia lobbyist. all of ohio will cover for him. he's never been up against someone well resourced. he's never been up against someone with an actual contrast between him and the candidate.

most importantly, he's never been up at the top of the tickei versus president trump.s so sharon brown as to overcome his attachment to biden, his goi terrible record. people will vote with their pocketbook in november, and this will be the time to finally retire. he's been running for office since richard nixon was president. >> trey: i have to think about i that. i think i was a kia d then.'s emma, that has been a long time. politics is weird which is one reason i'm glad i'm not in it.t you have the support of former president trump and you have thm support of congressman jimmy jordan, and according to news reports, you have the support of chuck schumer. and the fact they are runningtob ads to boost you because they think you will be easier to beat in the fall. what is going on there? and is it true that thetryi democrats are trying to boost you in some game of chess that they were playing? >> well, they are not good atthy

playing anything. i have no idea. reality is senator j.d. vance is behind me. i thought 2016 hillary clinton was inevitable and nobody beat her but president trump beatso her. the the reality is they think outsiders are easier to beatfr because they come from a culture where the only thing that you should do is be a politician your whole life. so when yofeu look at people lie me, outsider business person, conservative, they are making the wrong calculus again. i don't know. here's what i do know, we willrh take our share and he has no chance against me.urce we will have the right resources and campaign hard.d i sold all of my businesses and this is my focus everyday all day. >> trey: i looked at your website. your platform seems to begin with education. and in your judgment, what is the role of the federal government on the issue ofnser education? most conservatives think it is i primarily a state issue, but is

there a role for a u.s. senator on that important topic of education? >> i think what we have to do is let local communities and let parents and the local communities make the educationaw choices for their kids. trey, that means we have to fulfill ronald reagan's promisec to fulfill education. we have to do that once and for all. i think we will do that.l ex the bill exist if we put in ther righvat conservatives.se but understand the constitution. there is no constitutional role for the federal gol government n education. we know that to be true. has republicans, we have to keer our promises and do the things we campaign on, and that starts getting rid of the department of education. >> trey: g.o.p. primarieharps cn sometimes have sharp elbows. you are not alone on the primary ballot. any concern at all there will bh an ability to coalesce in the fall no matter who the nomineeif is and take on shared brown?no >> no, march 20th, the day aftee the primary tuesday, wednesday

will be fully united dysfunctional family. that ily ts what we will do. we will bring the party together. that is what i can uniquely do as a business guy. i have the chamber of commerceyn and they understand who i am. but i also understand the grassroots. i listen to them and campaignla heart this next year. i will continue to listen to them. i can uniquely bring the party together. my opponent has no chance ton bring the party together. in fact, he said 68 counties out of 80 matter. bro i have the part of support throughout the entire estate. that will be my singular focusbn march 20th is to bring thetoge entirety of the republican party together. >> bernie moreno, trying to send sherrod brown to his retirement this fall.pr in the process may be controlled the senate hangs in the balanceu thank you for joining us on a sunday night. looking forward to talking to you soon. >> you got it, thank you.s

>> trey: up next is tiktok a tool of the chinese government? the people who use it day, do they even care? congressman mike turner joins us only "sunday night in america."

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back to "sunday night in america." tiktok is a popular social media platform with nearly 2 billion users worldwide, which includes 150 americans. that use it on a regular basis. tikbut is tiktok the two of the chinese government? is tiktok a thread or national security or your personal security? most members o f congress seemed to think so as the house passed sweeping legislation this week.n mike turned r is the chairman ol house intelligence committee.ieh he would have access to more information on tiktok than just else i know. and he joins us now.e, welcome to us, mr. chairman. politically is not easy toss m disappoint 150 americans. so congress must have really, really believe the threat, theis danger from tiktok is a real. tell us what you can about it.k >> trey, thank you for having me. you are absolutely right. members of congress had access

to classified briefings, bothda congress wide and members of the energy commerce committee had additional briefings. what we know here, and this is something i think is a great signal from congress, train is not like everyone else. we have to stop treating them like they are. what you have now is president xi stepping forward and making it clear he sees himself as an adversary to the united states. when he stood next to blue vladimir putin the open mic event caught saying, we come up vladimir putin are bringing changes and it hasn't happenedgt in 100 years, that is a fight between democracy and authoritarianism in world war i. he truly sees himself as trying to remake the world.tain tiktok certainly is a tool that can be used in ways to advance propaganda and it certainly has congresses concern. >> trey: all right, i don't want to shock you, chairman, but i actually don't used to could talk.

for those who do use tiktok, ths legislation passed by the house, what specifically would it do: force a sale,ba ban it, what specifically do users need to be on the lookout for? >> the tentative legislation is to force the disinvestment ofo the chinese ownership of tiktok to cause them to sell tiktok. that certainly means tiktok could continue to operate, but it would be free of the chinese ownership influence, and of course the risk in congress.e this vote was overwhelming and it was overwhelming reallyecau because that shift, p poor knowunderstanding china's an adversary, the ransomware, they had texan hacking they do in the economy, the military buildup they do. they see themselves as positioning themselves as a strong adversary to the united states, and tiktok is a dangerous tool in the hands of and adversary. >> t's me when you mention the e was overwhelming, and it was. there was one prominent person

on the otherof side of the issu. let's listen to him together an i will ask you a question on the other side. >> people on tiktok love it. there are a lot of young kids on tiktok who will go crazy without it. there are a lot of users that do a lot of good and a lot of bad with tiktok. but the thing i don't like is without tiktok, you could make facebook bigger. facebook to be an enemy of the people. >> trey: you know, crmer know, chairman, concerns over tiktok amongresi former president trumps nationalur security advisors, many iti know very, very well and he was in office. and yet, i guess, he oppose this bill. any idea why? his national security team wanted to bao n it too. so why the change?we >> i can't speak to the change itself but i canf th say there s

been a significant change overall. the use of social media, specifically in theory of not just to communicate with others but as a source of news, as a source of information.are people are reliant upon apps ano social media. so really there information what's going is on in the world. that is why the e propaganda ise of the social media sites is certainly in the hands of ersadeclared adversary making in that much more concerning. >> trey: all right, before igo, let you go, it as to the senate now, which is where many goodou ideas go to die. what do you think will happen there? >> well, the president said heei will send this bill, which means it will become law. the senate will have vigorous debate, but i expect this bill will come out of the senate anpd head to the president's desk for er fature. >> trey: mike turner from the great state of ohio, chairman of the house intelligence you committee, thank you for joinine us and we look forward to seeini you soon. >> thank you, trey.e

spoon coming up, who sets thebe redlines in israelnj, benjamin t tan you who or joe biden? spokes congressman joins us right after the break. to duckduckgo on all your devie

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obama had a redline in syria, which turned out to been more magenta or light pink. now biden has a redline, but not for hamas or palestinians or even iran. biden has a redline for israel.o biden seems to be conditioningps support for israel and access to u.s. weapons whether israel continues to move into southern gaza. october 7th, it wasn't really that long ago?limi has hamas been eliminated or is biden looking at the polls which indicate young people don't like his policies in the middle east? joining us is israeli prime minister ben netanyahu spokesperson tal. they have a deep and lasting relationship. i wonder has biden communicated a redline to netanyahu and ifo so, why did he feel the need to make it public?nk >> thank you for having me on, trey, good to see you too. we have the redline.

our prime minister stated a few days ago, we have a redline tha we are not going to leave for hamas operational battalions in rafah. we've gotten t to this point whe we are taking out the majority of thequar hamas' capabilities. three quarters of their battalions. ve t thewe will not leave the rf them untouched.'s that is aa redline. that is a decision we took as a nation. it is not a prime minister or board cabinet or idf that tooktt this decision. it is a nation tha toot took a decision that we will no longer accept life next to taylorwi enclave. october 7th can't happen again. what would happen if thesee le battalions would be left untouched? hama s will rearm, regroup, and attack us again. you and i will have this conversation again down the road. we cannot allow this to happen. this is our redline. >> trey: all right, let's take

a listen to biden's secretary of state, alejandro mayorkas, and i will ask a question on the othee side. >> if there will be military operations in rafah, a clear implementable employment to get civilians out of harm's way and to provide for them months out of harm's way. we have not seen that plan. >> trey: i won't give you a chance to assureas secretary blinken, you were just concerned about civilian casualties as he is.ll i find the lecture to be somewhat interesting from antony blinken to israelis. israelis are surrounded by enemies. but what are they doin limg to secure?k >> we were presented to the work cabinet and approve the plans pa for rafah. they will achieve two goals, elimination of hamas battalionaa and the evacuation of civilians from the fighting. once we move forward with the plan, a strategic plan, we

will, of course, take care ofon the civilian population there. there is no question about it. >> trey: before i will let you go, senator chuck schumer is apparently notrent content just managing his home country.l an he has advice for israel asth weller.a i want us to listen together, and then i will ask a question before you go. >> at this critical juncture, i believthe a new election is the only way to allow for a healthye and open decision-making process about the future of israel. s of course, the united states cannot dictatetannot the outcomn election. nor should we try.at i that is for the israeli public to decide. >> trey: i think it is pretty spectacular in it in a really bad with the senate majority leader is calling for the removal of the head of state ofl an ally, but i will give you the last word. >> trey, israel is a sovereigne nation, of course, a democracy

where the citizens choose their own government who leads them. right now in case someone hasn't noticed we have a unit ny government in place which is reflective of the public sentiment you see across israel. now, the prime ministerep represents the overwhelminregis mamajority of israel leaves who reject the notion of palestinian terrorist state. the impediment to peace, and i mean real peace not just emptye spoken's, the refusal to acknowledge the jewish state of israel is heree to state. w. after 9/11, president george w. bush said, "either you are with us oe the terrorist."us 20 years later are you with us or the terrorists?trey >> trey: you are a lot more diplomatic than i am, tal. i think chuck schumer is at joke, a bad joke.as he has no business whatsoever lecturing in the other sovereign nation who the leader ought to be, especially an ally like a israel.or you are more diplomatic than i

am. thank you for joining us on a sunday night. we will have this conversation again, i am sure. >> of course, thank you. >> trey: up next artificial intelligence imposes and don't make a distinction level threat. we talked to the expert sounding that alarm only on "sunday night in america." ♪ ♪

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state department warns of af different national security threat. e rie, rise ofelligenc ai, and according to the report, destabilize security perhaps as much as the advent o of nuclear weapons. the study argues for an action plan to increase safety and security. joining usco-a the coauthors ofs study, jeremy and ed harris from gladstone ai. muc thank you so much. welcome here. let's start with the basics, jeremy, what precisely is ai, is it smarter than they human mind or quicker than processing information? >> it is a great question, trey. therte was a lot of forms of ai and risk from forms of ai. h are also a lot of opportunities. be seen in the last couple ofma kemonths, ai systems that can me breakthroughs in materials science and areas like medicineh this is way beyond chatgpt,ha

vebut then we have chatgpt inon systems like that. we are talking about systems inn general that can off-load ourle cognition to solve problems in many cases no human could solve on their own. >> trey: current systems aren't as smart as human beings. my apologies, go for it. >> trey: no, know you are the experts. i'justm just a country lawyer. ttinwhen mention medicine,'megre thinking they are used in medicine presumably to greatt benefit. i'm wonderinadg what does bad or dangerous ai look like?ed >> though, as you build these systems to hire and hire capability levels, they can bebe weaponized. you can imagine using an ai for cyber attack and code and sometimes better than humanogra competitive programs. if thabettt is true, they can we better malware than human programs. so walsok and chew gum at the sf time and understand the benefits that come with the risk, we don't want to shoot ourselves it the foot.enco

we want to be pro-business and encouraged in the space while mining the risk. that is whatt the action plan s all about. c>> trey: all right, for both of you, very few things capture my attention quite like the word distinction" as he and no one is left.res that word captures my attention. is that threat real, or rb justo trying to get people's attention to focus on the issue? >> over the last two years, we have been speaking to front tie labs, top labs like openai not just to the executives in many cases the ceos but researchers toon the front lines and the ons building like the next chatgpt. their concerns very much do them both around weaponization and the prospect of losing control of the systems.ri those risks are backed by evidence we are seeing surfacent as e eal evidence, technical research that more evidence froe the use of the systems in the world. this is something to take

seriously. we do unfortunately live in a world where the three most cited aar researchers on planet earthe to havthe three founders in the field are flagging this risk and evidence for it. e but again, huge positives and we have to embrace this paradox walking and chewing gum at the same time, setting up business impairments but not losing sight of the national security imperative. >> trey: for those of us who are not experts like you two are, tell us what we should know. what should we be looking for, and what should we be reading articles on to become conversant and knowledgeable on the issue? >> so, they are a number of sources extremely good.e we actually have a website ourselves cold artracker.orgllen but it is extremely challenging. they were new systems that brean ground in this field coming outr every week or every month. just a month ago "opopenai

releases generating videos with a prompt.n a walking tokyo in the rain. it will have a movie qualityo video with exactly that. they were systems that can play video games across multiple i c modes, systems that can generate images. tracking that is one of the majotualr parts of our job, ande of the things gone into the actual plan to be developed to address this risk set. >> trey: thank you for eliminating that for us.ank forw i look forward to talking to you both again. >> thank you so much, trey. >> trey: thank you forthan spinning part of your sunday with us. i hopeit you have a great week ahead. until then, find us online on the trey gowdy