rise of transgender and nonbinary people." the advocates also warned it could fuel violence and dissemination against trans- people as well so there's a lot of diversity about this document. >> martha: lauren, thank you. lauren greene reporting on that for us and there is "the story" for this tuesday. thank you for being with us today. is always the story goes on and we look forward to seeing you tomorrow. as i said we will talk to rfk junior, independent -- independent presidential candidates. stick around, little bit of a down day for the dow jones industrial at the look to close. "your world" starts right about now. will see you tomorrow, folks. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> neil: invasion set dates that. israeli parameter benjamin netanyahu sets. only is not saying when that rafah invasion will happen. only a week after that very tense phone call with president biden who worried it better not happen.

know that it's on our -- are all that off because israel today were poorly warning that iran that if it is attacked for that strike on iranian conflict in syria israel is ready to ban nuclear sites in iran. it is getting that big, that's scary, that fast. we're going to talk to the former u.s. a matter to israel david friedman on what could come next. first vaccine coverage with ratings in tel aviv on right israel could be -- there is no clearly the hi welcome everybody, i'm neil caputo got very happy to have your own a very busy newsday. let's get right to it with tray in tel aviv. >> good afternoon. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu said his troops will enter gaza' southernmost city of russia. currently there are more than 1.4 million palestinians that are sheltering there. the question now is where they will be evacuated to an oblong that process might take.

this is a consequential decision over the straightlaced for a variety of reasons. netanyahu says the move to the store remain -- is needed to win the war. >> this victory requires entering rafah and limiting the terrorist battalions here. this will happen. there were this matter is that it. >> it's the 186 of the war between israel and hamas. the amount of ingoing into gaza is slowly increasing with more than 400 trucks entering the enclave today. after idf soldiers withdrew from southern gaza over the weekend some palestinian civilians recurrent -- recent reports estimate more than 50% of buildings in gaza were damaged or destroyed since october 7th while israel still focuses on the ground inside gaza. israeli forces are on high alert in the northern part of this country amid continued attacks on the iran back cleverness militant group hezbollah. macniel? >> neil: my friend craig yanks into love you.

want to go to mike emanuel right now in washington on how the white house is responding to all of this because this was not on the game land during that phone call last week. mike? >> neil, you're exactly right. division but -- comes after senator majority leader chuck schumer called for a snap election in israel to get rid of the current prime minister. last our senate majority leader schumer held a meeting with israel opposition leader when -- to demand a cease-fire in the middle east. he is making the rounds here in washington meeting yesterday with secretary of state tony lincoln but prime minister benjamin netanyahu says political pressure will stop the mission. >> today some disruption on capitol hill. protesters in the capitol building basically disrupting operations in the capital.

some 50 people were arrested. one person wearing a shirt saying "biden' legacy equals genocide." today the senate republican leader says the president interact under pressure from the far left. >> america cannot afford to lose moral clarity about the conflict. but i'm afraid that too many of our leaders are there may the president came to further domestic political pressure. he indulged his radical base and called for an immediate cease-fire. >> this afternoon the national -- national secured advisor interest in the united states is behind his key allies in the middle east. >> the president said to the prime minister and this was right out in his call that america support for israel's security is ironclad and american support for israel's defense against threats from iran and its proxies is ironclad. are operational details beyond that. >> tense times at the white house and on capitol hill. protests on capitol hill in

across washington. congress is back in session and the protesters are back calling for a permanent cease-fire. >> neil: mike emanuel, thank you very much. to david friedman the former u.s. ambassador in israel what he makes of all of this. ambassador take -- thank you for taking the time. this was exactly -- this idea of a rafah invasion about president biden did not want my minister benjamin netanyahu did you. know that a promise or has committed to doing it, what you think happens next? >> i think that that and yahoo has no choice but to continue the warfare mark i mean the consequences of not invading rafah is that hamas survives with four battalions, that's 4000 troops. it means that survivors -- it means that hamas becomes if you will the darling of the terrorist world, not titled you one i would want but it's something you -- people very much covered and they live to kill jews and -- ultimately

due to explain their resume to america as well and, you know, neil, i think it's important to understand is religion is very dangerous part of the world on the basis of its deterrent capabilities on the basis of the fact that these terrorists know that if they hit israel and israel hits back, teemak-3 times as hard, none of these entities can defend this might defeat israel. only america can cause israel to be defeated in america -- but telling them not to attack, by telli them to go see spectacle negotiate a deal with hamas. don't attack hezbollah in the north. and all these messages are doing nothing but empowering israel''s enemies. this daylight is creating an warmest momentum and enthusiasm by israel' enemies continue the war. is having exactly the opposite effect of what i assumed the biden administration wants to achieve. and so, you know, the worst

thing that america can do right now is to try to micromanage israel's ken dekker limit the cable and things can limit the ability to fight this war. that just prolongs the war, emboldens the enemy and raises the price for the hostages. >> neil: and it does exactly what's going on. i'm just wondering obviously benjamin netanyahu took the cancelation hear that he had agreed to get more aid and passageways of aid in gaza, something president biden wanted him to do. but he knew that this rough a decision which would come later would win you all these tensions with the white house. he did it anyway. what do you think happens now? >> look, i think, you know, look ahead to see this daylight. i hate to see these two countries that i love at hit -- but israel is fighting for it's life and by then is fighting for michigan. and as between those two like i'm with israel on this.

israel has to survive this matter and they can't survive without defeating hamas. hamas has said openly with great pride, you know, if we survive we will go and do this again and again and again. not to mention the fact that, you know, almost 100,000 israelis have been displaced from the north. in every single day since this hamas war began, hezbollah has been shooting at israeli in the north and there's no answer to that yet and israel needs to be empowered to complete that process and to show, you know, hezbollah it's willing to fight back. israel had taken abilities to win this war and to protect it's citizens. the only means by which israel failed to achieve that is by america -- putting handcuffs on israel. >> neil: i raised this issue with chris koons the delaware senator when he was with me last week about what we are attaching to aid right now with israel. at that he was fairly clear on the subject even though i don't know if he wanted it. i want you to react to this. >> neil:

>> if they go into rafah and this would you say all right that is a game changer. we told you not to do it and you did. >> i would be willing to put conditions on the delivery of military munitions for that ongoing campaign. i would not sever ties between the united states and israel. i wanted to abandon israel. but i would begin to condition the munitions that we provide for an ongoing campaign in raw form. >> neil: just to be clear about -- i was not asking about whether we would sever ties with israel. and anything that would happen but aid wouldn't be underlined and it clearly is not or could be now. that that part were e you? >> it worries me tremendously. i mean look, i think senator koons has been a good friend of israel over the years. i think he has like others succumb to the political pressure. not going to end this war.ar just not going to win. you're not going to russia if you do we will put some conditions on and then the

war will be litigated by lawyers rather than by generals. you have this -- some word salad of the terms under which israel gets it's weapons and it will be fighting over that meanwhile israel is trying to defeat one of the worst terrorist groups in the world. >> martha: >> neil: will quickly, we talked about the pressure that is on israel right no but on benjamin netanyahu, you know, a lot of the opposition leaders have been taking pictures with chuck schumer when they visited here. of course, chuck schumer famously saying that this is a good time for israel to have elections that, you know, -- garnered a great deal of controversy but we're already seeing within israel some of the members of his coalition snapping at him directly and some israeli is indeed are tiring hiring of benjamin netanyahu. how bad is this -- >> i think after smack two markets. politically netanyahu has it challenges. look up every israeli leader who had a military failure whether --

i mean, they have not done well politically in the aftermath of those failures and this was a colossal failure. so you have that -- most of the country i think is unhappy with the fact that this happened in the first place. but during the course of the war, the overwhelming majority of the people even those who despise benjamin netanyahu want to see him finish the war. finished the war then have an election and then let the chips fall where they may but were not changing courses in the middle of the race. >> neil: ambassador catholic you very much. good to see you again. david friedman the former u.s. ambassador to israel pretty clearly speaks his mind as does ted weissberg when it comes to money issues and all that sort of friction that on the market right no as a result. oral did come down 11 but again more volatile investing and a lot of folks worry that these extensions can explode. ted, what do you think of that and right now the fact that these international issues could come home to roost for wall street?

>> well i mean, neil, is a real concern. it's a huge unknown. and we know that markets can deal with good news, bad news and always struggle with the unknowns they are mack and so yes, it is a huge problem here mack on the other hand, when you see where the market was last fall and how good the markets performed in november and december of 23 and the first quarter of 24, 10% for most of the popular averages. and then even today as we speak with the increase tensions in the middle east yes the market has gotten a little sloppy the last couple days but clearly for some reason the markets seem to be willing to absorb a lot of these unknowns if you will do political tensions. >> neil: but it always that affect trade in the region. we've seen the red sea with virtually impossible for cargo ships to peacefully get around and get their goods moving your master there is a supply issue there. and then there is the concern that it doesn't take much to scare the markets, oil

markets family were rocketing last week on this phone call between the president and benjamin netanyahu. so they are clearly sensitive to that. what do you think? >> absolutely. used to be all gold and now, you know, now to a large extent it's energy, oil and input -- will -- gold is trading at an all-time high as we speak. but the spikes can the fear strikes if you will, seem to be off the table. but yet you cannot -- can't argue work trade -- gold is trading and in fact you can't argue were boilers training. oil has been inching higher for the last three or four months. i mean we are just touching just shy of $90 a barrel depending on whether you look at wti or rent and there's a lot of folks that think we can spike to 100 without a lot -- without a lot of effort. now is that middle east tension nor is it the u.s. energy policy is? perhaps a little of both. >> neil: but is inflationary one way or the

other and that gets them scared about -- if not denied. how real threat is not really quickly? >> i'm sorry, neil, say again, please? >> neil: the fear of inflation from all of this and the fact that it could delay weight cuts on the fence, how real is that? >> i think it's very real. the u.s. economy continues to do quite well. the and implement numbers are almost nonexistent. employment is good. the economy is good. corporate earnings are very good. i mean the fed is in a bit of a dilemma because i know they -- a lot of people including the fed talked about lowering rates what it will be very difficult for them to lower rates meaningful in the current economic environment. and in fact you can probably make the case even that perhaps interest rates might even take higher mack but the fact is that the economy is doing well and the fed though they talk about lowering rates, the reality is will

they? and there is a big -- is a big question. >> neil: that is hunting these guys right no but -- hit another record today, it the interrelated that. ted weisberg think you very much. always great catching up with you. miedema getting word right now that speaker mike johnson is going to delay his deliver -- common security -- that means that an impeachment of some sort is still on the senate delayed but certainly not denied, after this. ♪ ♪ ♪ some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you, with allstate. because there's a right way to. stop! and the speed limit definitely isn't. 700 million mph. so why would you pay a rate based on. a terrible boss with a terrible haircut! save with, ooh. save with drivewise and get a rate based on you. you're in good hands with allstate

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-- to the -- distaste will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both and whatever they decide must be the law of the land and in this case the law of the state. >> neil: another state the 16th, arizona has emit -- really climbed down on what we phishing after arizona supreme court revived a near total ban on abortion. actually invoking an 1864 law that forbids the procedure except when the mother's life is on the line and punishes some providers with present time. this is a conservative court but already it's raising

concerns that this will boomerang and conservatives and republicans in particular who were hoping that this issue as a political document will go away. this seems to be sort of required up right now. -- political reporter gives us her take on this. the owner, what do you think? regarded the people's position on abortion it's not that we know is a political grenades. to -- so who doesn't blow up on? >> there's a reason why kamala harris is waiting to arizona to capitalize on this. in recent wall street journal poll of all the swing states found that trump has a double-digit lead across other swing safely comes to issues like inflation, the economy, foreign policy. the one area where biden and harris have maintained their leaders abortion. and arizona is not a very red electorate anymore. has become increasingly purple were some like florida has become increasingly red. and, you know, this 15 week band that republican governor dug to see past two years a

ago, i was really in the sweet spot of what was okay for arizona voters who are very much in the average -- 15 week band put arizona in line with the work. this near total ban which has no exceptions for women incest look even three in four republicans hold -- expressed that they still support exceptions for abortions in cases of rape and incest mark this law was originally passed 160 years ago for arizona was even a state and before the 13th amendment was passed let alone women having the right to vote and this can backfire because you have that pro-choice advocates who have already half a million signatories on a ballot proposal that would enjoin much more unfettered abortion access into arizona state law if that ballot proposition does make it on that election they balanced, that can be a huge boon to biden who needs

to arizona and is right now down about 4.5% -- 4.5 points against donald trump donald trump inherited pulling in a state. >> neil: four is looking to do the same thing right now after a similar crackdown there this can be a ballot issue on their ballot as well in a number of other states that our compliment -- i think were up to 16 now, varying degree of severity on this and how strict they are with abortion but i am wondering there are others that say this is a tired old sort of argument where democrats tried oozing republicans that is the economy is stupid camp if the perception of the economy is stupid and a lot of people got abortion or no as an issue, this is not as galvanizing as it used to be. what you think that? >> for the economy does remain a major issue. immigration is even superseded the economy even though prices are operating% instrument took office. immigration is still more important nationally now their mechanistic over the -- by the difference is that the arizona gop has been in

shambles for many years. this is carrie lake's second election, she is not popular in a state premises go against they are going was very much moderating. 's running away from progressive label for a leap -- because he think he can win. and unfortunately for someone like president trump who is really expressed, you know, pro-life federalism rare much in line with what the pro-life movement was until roe v. wade was overturned which is written in to the state, carrie lake in 2022 said that it was great that arizona had this hundred 60-year-old trigger law and to specify that it had no exceptions, that the only exception was for life of the mother cannot create an incident -- next like she's come up today calling on katie hobbs to do something about this long to, you know, effectively reinstate that see standard of a 15 week abortion ban. and other states it might not matter so much again where you have a big margin of support with highly confident governors like ron desantis or mike dewine.

sure. but arizona gop has just been flailing for almost a decade now and so this can be a live issue if, you know, arizona republicans don't get their act together. >> neil: and you mentioned 80 halves of course the governor of originally issued an executive order last year i would give all the power of abortion loss to the state attorney general who similarly was against what the supreme court did there but it's a hot issue mack we will follow it very closely but diana think you very much. tiana lowe doescher on that. in the meantime updating on donald trump and his various legal battles he has lost what was the last shot of the laying invest cash money trial in new york, now still on for people 15th. what's at stake after this. ♪ ♪

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>> well there are certain circumstances were a criminal defendant is not wish to continue with the current team and so they let the court know that they've lost confidence in their team or they wish to have different council and the supreme court has been very clear that in criminal cases independence is entitled to remove there team and replace her team entirely if they wish to do so before proceeding to tr trial. in this case the judge has made some passing remarks about one of trump's attorneys not being prepared in some ways, you may be able to use that is just 50 -- this is only again if you wanted -- he wanted to do so but if he wants to go forward but the schmuck certainly i think they are prepared to go to trial and look for the acquittal. >> neil: -- this might be the best route to go, he might have to fire us and start anew. >> that would certainly be not the first time in criminal defendant has done something like that and rbc there's a lot of strategy that goes into defending a criminal case. certainly there is an option

that defense attorneys are -- but ultimately it is a defendant's sole decision who they presented by. >> neil: you know, we have the other issue the documents cases -- the president wanted -- protection, immunity anonymous, other than look like it's happening. the earl of things pastoring on some other cases. but is it fair to say this might be the only one will get off the launch pad before the election? >> as it stands right now with the supreme court considering the immunity case at the end back of april, were unclear about when they will issue a decision on that. the other cases are essentially on hold as a result of that binding -- binding so across the jordan case we don't really know exactly where that stands but there is some progress moving ahead while the appellate court is still considering the removal of bonnie willis. so again very unclear on the timelines but that what i would save the new yorkers many cases even if it was continued for some reason may

still be able to get in under the wire there before the election. >> neil: this report is deciding the whole immunity -- how much do they weigh or should they wait? i know justices lionel -- a guy who's running for the highest office in the land and how this might be disruptive to that process. cannot even -- enter their minds? >> is interesting because the over arcing issue that case deals with the office of the presidency and how any sort of criminal process interferes with the executive branch at large for magma in terms of their decision in the case they said that they that on an expedited schedule in order to some accommodate these article timelines before the election but certainly there is not the primary consideration for when they are great to move on the case -- >> neil: you must have this all out on a spreadsheet, organized particularly, knowing you because i have mine right now on an etched

-- etch-a-sketch with a small reader simply because i shaken and they get a different result. katie, with seeing you again. thank you so much. >> thanks. >> neil: -- having a double-overtime at least in the senate there deciding where they go from here so the house is holding off on sending some of these articles of impeachment to the senate so they have time to digest exactly how they will do this and that bind. web centered themes -- steve daines of montana after this. ♪ ♪ roughly 37% of taxpayers qualify... form 1040 and limited credits only... see how at turbotax.com... that's me! skin-carving next level hydration? new neutrogena hydro boost water cream. a vital boost of nine times more hydration* to boost your skin's barrier for quenched,

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i have no idea but i know chuck further in this. he is a student of this institution so chad what happens now? how he would handle an impeachment trial for alejandro mayorkas. well he doesn't have to. that is because a spokesman for house speaker mike johnson said the house with delay sending the articles to the senate until next week. the house aimed to send articles over to the senate tomorrow night. know they've punted for a week. >> the speaker acquiesced him to delay sending over the articles until monday to at least give us a full week. we will see if senator schumer honors the extra time. this is unconscionable, people.

>> republicans want more time to level pressure against the senate to hold a full trial and not just dismiss the articles. but even house members will prosecute the case were in the dark about the plan. >> but they haven't told you that -- one hazard to you when they are supposed to do it other than last week saying we're going to take it tomorrow afternoon you might. >> the last thing i heard and i am an impeachment manager and those articles of impeachment have my name on them, i have not been told that we may be holding them now. you're the one that told me that so apparently you're getting the news quicker than i am. >> know the plan was to swear in the senators as jurors on thursday but even republik and leaders were coy win asked about a possible delay. >> has there been any discussion on a route -- talking about this, about possibly questioning -- requesting the house delay requesting the -- [inaudible] >> i don't think we have any advice to give the speaker

about how to handle -- handle the issue on either -- on timing. >> either way the senates will likely vote to dismiss the articles of impeachment if democrats hold together. jon tester of montana says he wants to see the articles first. he faces a tough reelection this fall. neil? >> neil: ted, thank you for that. senator steve daines, -- joins us. chairman, senator, very good to see you. the white house is responding to all these developments saying that if republicans -- it so urgent for the security of the border then they wouldn't have delayed sending it to the senate for two months or no delete it again for another week. -- this whole pr stunt is. what do you think of that? >> i'm not surprise first of all that chuck schumer was hoping those article was come to the senate this week on a thursday afternoon so that they could get it buried for

the weekend. the democrats don't want to talk about this. look, the house has spoken. it was a year-long process of hearings a lot of investigation. devoted to push two articles of impeachment over to the united states and its. we have a constitutional responsibility. we are -- we now sits as jurors. mayorkas has been impeached. the question is should he be removed from office are not? that is what the will of the senate will determine. so we need to have full accountability, taking into full delight here in front of the american people's. is the number 1 issue for voters across the country. is not just a republican issue. it's republicans, independents and democrats are seeing this invasion of the southern border that illegal migrants come across and this is not an immigration debate. this is in others -- and national security debate as we are looking at the terror threat breaking out across the country because of joe biden's chaos and open border policies. >> neil: well you're quite right to see the immigration issue is the overarching

issue -- overarching issue. but i don't believe this specific issue of impeaching mayorkas was. having said that i do want to get your thoughts on delaying this deliberately used mayorkas articles until next week. are you for that, are you okay with that? >> i think it's the right thing to do. whether it gets shipped over to us on wednesday for a -- the beginning of the impeachment on thursday literally will be set down in the senate chamber, will be sworn in, will sign a book as jurors and sit as a jury in these articles of impeachment centers by the house. i think it's a good thing that will come over on monday. that way we have the week in front of the american people to have this deliberation. it would be -- because schumer wants to bury this. he doesn't want to talk about this anymore. the american people want accountability. the accident -- we see what's going on. this is a solvable problem that mayorkas should be held accountablfor what happened. the senates will -- be the jurors next week. you will be in front of the

american people as it should be. >> neil: you touched on the idea that maybe chuck schumer doesn't want to deal with this but a lot of your colleagues, senator, on the republican side, don't seem all too eager to deal with this. new things or even, you know, even more than a couple of dozen of your colleagues who would want to take this route, go this route and impeach mayorkas? >> well it to be clear, neil, you has been impeached. house has impeach mayorkas. now the question is the trial. receipt -- set as jurors who is one of my colleagues decide that you want to come back mayorkas that would be their choice as new york senator but we need to have the trial. >> neil: you're quite right, sir, but i up -- just among your colleagues and, of course, it's a democratic run senate but honey is of margins i'll grant you about that a lot of those colleagues don't want to take that extra step in that conviction is not -- even among a good many of your own fellow republicans?

>> as a jury you need to look at the evidence as any thoughtful juror would. i'll trust my colleagues but the reality is the democrats control the majority of the united states senate. is highly likely schumer will try to dismiss this out right upfront and never have a trial. he realizes that this is a political crisis for the white house and for every single that senate democrats who supported president biden on his open border policy, he's policies -- this is a solvable problem again and look out for me -- and the father of four no grandfather of of six, i am very concerned about the national security threat that's presented by this open border. we have a serious terrorism threat that's occurring as a result of no nearly 10 million illegals have come across the border have many on the bright terror watchlist. this is a national security issue, the american people are exact rated. you want something done,

there's a chance for us to put us -- with a trial in the united states senate to show the evidence of us been going on with the biden administration of why we are at this point in history. >> neil: senator daines thank you for taking the time, we do appreciate that. there are other issues they have to take up and capitol hill including rebuilding that baltimore bridge collapsed up a couple of weeks back but coming up with a funds is a lot easier than then. national heiser has a lot more that. >> so the maryland deliberation really was -- wants to be for the reconstruction of the key bridge by using 100% federal funds but whether there is going to cost millions or billions i'll tell you next. ♪ ♪

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maryland delegation essentially said they will come and propose that offer up a bill that will help pay for the reconstruction of the key bridge by using 100% federal funding. the cash though is, neil, that lawmakers in this moment have no clue how much that will actually cost. watch. >> it depends on the design smack the design of the bridge, the modern technologies to make sure -- there's been a 3000% increase since 1975 when this bridge was constructed in regards to the amount of traffic cargo that goes through the channel itself. so it needs to be -- meet the current needs. >> so again that doesn't really answer the question of the christ -- price tag and whenever the price tag is, neil, there is already pushback from house freedom caucus members unjust canning blank check. instead are demanding be forced for this funding. congressman andy harris who is a freedom caucus member

and the only republican member in the maryland legation sidestepping the question today. >> look, there are steps in this process, the first step is about cost-sharing. there is no debate about class -- maryland should not have to bear part of the cost that is going to be a focus of i believe the first piece of legislation that comes through. >> neil, as is the case for quite literally every issue in the whole -- there is absolutely no real timeline on when this might actually happen. neil? >> neil: that's a shocker, aishah. -- aishah hasnie on capitol hill with all of them. we want to pass along the president promised in the of the union address to sort of thing companies which are not paying their fair share smasher. part of the effort is to start taxing stock buybacks. companies -- don't know a lot of -- a lot of them buyback stock after other run by shareholders and reward dish -- there will be attack the net about 1 sentiment in such a transaction every time its done. it's meant to be a way to

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nothing. people say, mike, how could college get so expensive? the answer is: how could it not? we freed up a bottomless pile of free money and turn the screws on a whole generation of kids and told them they would be finished if they didn't take this path. >> neil: well, the administration is trying to make it easier for those who have taken out a lot of loans to get some relief, up to 30 million americans now qualify or will be qualifying for this relief of up to $20,000 of interest. some paid off entirely as the administration continues to ease their burden, even as the price of a four-year degree continues to rocket, perhaps because we are doing these very things. julia manchester, t the hill of national politics, can't hope joke about that, why everything is fine, nothing sacred. your thoughts on this, you know the predictable response, why are we paying to forgive loans

that some other americans had to pay, did pay, and are getting no relief? >> yeah, and i said this before but i don't even know why we keep calling it erasing or canceling or forgiving when it is nothing of the sort. it is, as you pointed out, actually just reassigning these payments to people, this money to people who didn't have anything to do with that at all and maybe didn't go to college themselves. i mean, this could cost to the tune of $100 billion or more to taxpayers, and also just i happen to be someone who notices that people tend to behave based on incentives. and doing this, there is no incentive for colleges to charge any less and no incentive for people to not take out loans, students do not take out loans no matter how much it cost or how big those loans are. >> neil: i do know this. we have chatted about this ourselves several times, we are going to college inflation, tuition triple with the average inflation rate and has been for many decades.

this only fuels it, doesn't it? >> absolutely, there is this argument, but we look at the political perspective as to why president biden is doing this, he would argue this is a promise he made to his base, and this goes along with what he talked about on the campaign trail, but at the same time, this is a base issue for president biden and he is seeing young voters in his coalition being quite frankly less enthusiastic, and he needs those voters to turn out and vote for him in november and there is this feeling among democrats and progressives that this is going to help galvanize them so this is -- i think we are going to seek, may be not only this initiative being pushed by president biden, going to hear and have already heard language on other issues impacting young people, the israel-gaza war is obviously very important to a lot of young voters, they feel strongly about it, he has addressed that. the timing of this and doing it

in a swing state like wisconsin is not accidental. >> neil: it does have a desired impact. let me ask you about that, kat. you could argue this galvanize a young voters but what about those who are getting this release, those who didn't go to college? what about young voters who did in fact pay off their loans or chose other routes like trade schools? what happens to the young electricians or the young plumber who say, where is my gravy train? isn't it going to anger them? >> that's why i think messaging about this really is is so important because if you just say, oh, it is cancellation or forgiveness, you sound kind of like a jerk if you're not for it. why wouldn't you want somebody's loans to go away when it would make something so much easier for that person. that does sound like a compassionate thing. but that's not what it actually is. it is reassigning it, often to that electrician or to that person who may be went to a less expensive school, or made other decisions because of this, that person that had absolutely nothing to do with it, and that of course that student in the

future perhaps having to pay even more ice college becomes even more expensive the more and more government gets involved. >> neil: guys come i wish we had more time, unfortunately we don't but it will be a big issue right now because the constitutional fights as to whether the president can do this. nancy pelosi, the former speaker, saying technically he can't do this, this is something only the house can do. the debate rages on. julia and kat, thank you so much. a quick look at wall and broad today, the frustration in the middle east and how things are going is lifting up the price of gold, not having stocks and raising issues, whether the federal reserve will build a cut rate soon, doesn't look like so soon right now. here's "the five." ♪ ♪ >> judge jeanine