anti-palestinian voices have subjected me to a campaign of racist hatred because of my uncompromising belief in human rights for all and asked on another network does she endorse the idea of abolishing israel? she dodged the question and then said answering yes or no would be an injustice to the issue. we'll send it back to you. >> bill: bill melugin reporting on that in los angeles. >> dana: it's everywhere you look. before we go you need something lighter? i do. a pachyderm on the prowl. watch this elephant stopping traffic in montana. the elephant is safe and sound and reunited with its handlers. can you imagine getting in your car? dad, check it out. >> bill: what do you think the elephant was thinking? >> dana: where? that's a great line. we'll leave it there. harris faulkner is up next. >> harris: the moment is here. impeachment of the man in charge

of biden's border disaster has now landed in the senate. u.s. senators begin their process to officially consider the impeachment articles against homeland secretary alejandro mayorkas. yesterday we watched as house impeachment managers walked them through the hallway to deliver them to the senate. they state that mayorkas willfully and systematicly refused to enforce the nation's immigration laws. i'm harris faulkner and you are in "the faulkner focus." senate democrats could end is trial before it even begins. they've already hinted at a prompt dismissal. democratic senator and majority leader chuck schumer said it would all be addressed expeditiously. republicans have been turning up the pressure to get a full trial, 43 republican senators sent a letter to leader schumer last week demanding a trial.

republican senators ted cruz, john kennedy, mike lee proposed several options how the trial could proceed and they are looking to satisfy both sides of the political aisle. they say it ultimately comes down to the u.s. constitution. >> we are going to see chuck schumer throw out 200 years of history, ignore the constitution, why? because he does not want these managers to present the evidence of the people dying because of their policies. >> it has nothing to do with the evidence and it has nothing to do with what's right. this is raw gut politics and you know it. >> if they take a way out of this and betray our constitutional obligation, we have an obligation on our side to make clear it's not okay. >> harris: republican congresswoman kat cammack is in

"focus." mike tobin is at the u.s. border in el paso, texas, where illegal crossings are surging. mike. >> we're seeing a surge of activity at the border, harris. this is despite the extra physical barriers put in place by the texas national guard. they put right here on the border is calling the anti-climb barrier, fencing with razor wire on one side. what we're seeing is guys showing up with bolt cutters. what we saw this morning a group of migrants that found a hole in the anti-climb barrier and made a break for it. children on their back and everything as they ran off for the texas side of the border. live pictures with the fox news flight team. a group of 70 that arrived overnight and this morning lining up to be processed. fox news camera saw 150 arrive yesterday in two groups of 100 on sunday. while the el paso sector here usually sees less than a thousand illegal crossings in a single day, that number has

jumped up to 1400 in a single day. all the while dhs secretary mayorkas faces his impeachment trial and he continues to blame congress for problems here at the border. >> we need congress to pass the bipartisan legislation that a group of senators worked on. that is the enduring solution. we cannot resource ourselves. we need congress to do so. we cannot change a broken immigration system, only congress can. >> fox news camera on the new mexico video had border patrol catching up to a runner and ended with a violent arrest. what we've bean seeing on the new mexico side of the border or coyotes working on the mountains up there with binoculars searching for a weak spot in law enforcement. once they spot it they have cars pull up on the u.s. side and send word to groups of people

who scramble on the mountaintop trails and they load up in vehicles or find another way to make a break and get into the u.s. population. el paso sector is leading the nation forgotaways. just shy -- >> harris: thank you for setting up our conversation. homeland secretary committee republicans dropped the hard, painful facts on secretary mayorkas at a hearing yesterday. >> you made this country, sir, far more dangerous place. >> while you assert that shall detain is what you want to do. what you agree the law says, we're leaving thousands of beds empty every day. >> you have allowed the cartels to make billions.

you are probably the best business partner they could have. >> your service as secretary has left a scar on our nation's soul that may never be healed. >> with the resources and the authorities that we have been provided it is as secure as we can make it. >> harris: in "focus" with me now republican congresswoman kat cammack of the great state of florida. member of the judiciary committee and select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government. how should this go? how did it go more than one time that they impeached former president trump? are we seeing special treatment, irregularities or anything different with mayorkas that's notable? >> where to begin. the clips infuriate me listening to secretary alejandro mayorkas he might as well be listed as the secretary of cartel

security. he is doing far more damage to the united states and helping and facilitating the cartels' business and illicit activity than anything else. what we are seeing play out in realtime is departure of 200 years of precedent. violation of constitutional precedent and tradition. what we are probably going to see is chuck schumer unser moneyously move to dismiss or table the impeachment inquiry and trial. why that is such a big disservice to the american people is there is evidence, mounting evidence every single day, of the negligence, of this administration which is a direct tie to his performance. not only has alejandro mayorkas lied to congress. i have been in the rooms as a member he lied to. but he has taken 51 specific actions to undo border security that has made us less safe. just ask laken riley's family and the thousands of americans angel families as a result of

open border crisis. they'll try to dismiss it but it flies in the face of the constitution but the will of the american people, exercising the people's house. we need to impeach him. >> harris: he is no friend of the children being dragged by the cartels that mayorkas admitted he didn't know where 85,000 of those young people were at one point in biden's administration when he was on the hill. he still said on a second question at a different hearing he had two bites at the apple, still couldn't account for the whereabouts of all those children. a sickening situation whether you are an american or someone trying to be an american crossing the border. millions of illegal immigrants pour over our border every year. a tough number what it is like under biden, 7.2 million under one president. less than one term. criminals like jose suspected

murdering laken riley. that happened in february. senate judiciary committee ranking member lindsey graham says the administration made a big admission to him. watch this. >> due to detention capacity at central processing center in el paso texas, that's what his file shows. he wasn't paroled because he had the unique benefit to the country or humanitarian need as the law requires. he was paroled because of capacity problems. >> harris: he added the biden administration is breaking the law at the expense of americans. ken cuccinelli wants everyone to know the names of innocent americans and he is at a house border safety meeting yesterday. >> it is the individual human cost that remains most alarming. the ever-growing number of american victims of illegal

immigration including brandon michael, indicate steinle, brandon mendoza. kayla hamilton and laken riley, not lincoln. >> harris: yeah. we know that was just not even a dig, a fact check of the president of the united states who could not say her name under pressure at the state of the union. pressure put on by himself because he has broken the border situation for this country. there is so much to get to. i want you to jump in with what you want americans to know top line today. >> we've been talking about this and you have been a champion on this issue highlighting how the left and particularly this administration have adopted the 1984 or wel where they relabel terms to make you feel better about things. so instead of calling it catch and release they are calling it

paroleing in country. we're fighting to stop it. more than that accountability has been lost in washington, d.c. that is why this impeachment inquiry and trial is so important. motion to dismiss doesn't hold them accountable or highlight that what they are doing is deliberate not by some measure of just willy-nilly. what is needed is for the american people to hear the evidence and understand there are still consequences in this country. i think the american people -- >> harris: i want to know how the process works. could they call you in the senate to testify? i'm just curious. there is such evidence in the house that has gone forth. is that a possibility? >> we know the facts are incredibly destructive to the political narrative the biden administration needs to push. they will do everything they can to ignore the facts and truth and why they will dismiss this

this afternoon. let's put them on record as to who thinks this border is secure. let the american people see who is in it for real and who is in it for politics. that's what we will gain today. >> harris: thank you for being on it. appreciate it. >> appreciate you, thank you. >> harris: seven jurors seated in former president trump's hush money trial. there are big questions about whether they will truly be impartial. out of 100, more than 50 said on the very first day two days ago they couldn't be impartial. nine out of ten voters vote democrat in the city. the u.s. supreme court taken up the case of a january 6th rioter. some justices seem very skeptical how the government has charged him. >> the justices, the conservative ones seem skeptical. can this law be used as a catch all. what does it really mean to

obstruct and what is an official proceeding? would it include the protestors we've seen? >> harris: they say president biden's justice department is on the reasons and the case could have huge implications for president trump charged under that same law. former acting u.s. attorney general, perfect person to have on this, matt whitaker next. in shelters that euthanize the m after just a few days. m but we're better than that, my friends. i'm john o'hurley, and i invite you to support puppy food bank with a $15 and i invite you to support puppy food bank with a $15 a month donation with your support puppy food bank can ship pet food to rescue shelters, pet food that will save pet lives. so won't you join me. donate now. and puppy food bank will send you a very nice gift.

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>> harris: we have breaking news now. the npr senior editor who revealed to the world of the invasive liberalism has resigned. he was suspended for five days without pay this week and that happened after he wrote the

article that you see there, the headline of in the free press last week. chief washington correspondent mike emanuel. this was quick. >> no doubt about it, harris. after those public comments about pervasive left wing bias at npr, now the senior editor berliner writing on x quote, i'm resigning from npr, a great american institution where i worked for 25 years. i don't support calls to defund npr, i respect the integrity of my colleagues and wish for npr to thrive and do important journalism but i cannot work in a newsroom where i am disparaged bay new ceo whose divisive views are what i cite in my free press d he wrote npr has had a liberal bent. but an open minded curious

culture prevailed. we were nerdy but not knee jerk activist and scolding. it has changed. the editor in chief said she strongly disagreed in a memo to staff. we're proud to stand behind the exceptional works our desks and shows do to cover a wide range of challenging stores east and we believe inclusion among our staff and sourcing in overall coverage is critical to telling the nuanced stories of this country and our world. berliner gave examples criticizing coverage of russiagate and the 2016 election. embracing the theory of systemic racism and dismissing the possibility covid escaped from the wuhan lab. conservatives say this there is no surprise. berliner said the election of donald trump was greeted with disbelief, anger and despair and maintains coverage shifted towards efforts to damage or topple president trump's

presidency. harris. >> harris: wow. that's a lot. he told the truth, they put pressure on him, the ceo leaned in hard and he quit. can you blame him? they made it quite clear he wasn't welcome for telling the truth. mike emanuel thank you for being with me. donald trump's criminal trial is not on today. they take wednesdays off. see if that continues. there is one big place where there is big action and that is the u.s. supreme court. it happened yesterday when the justices heard arguments over the government's charges against a former police officer who was indicted for his role in the january 6th riot. here is why it's key. he is one of 330 people facing a specific obstruction charge for their role in the riot. special counsel jack smith has charged donald trump with that very same count. some justices appear to be highly skeptical of the use of

the law enacted to prevent document destruction in the enron disaster. neil gorsuch pressed hard. >> would a sit-in that disrupts a trial or access to a federal courthouse qualify? would a heckler in today's audience qualify or at the state of the union address? would pulling a fire alarm before a vote qualify? for 20 years in federal prison? >> there are multiple elements of the statute. the hype that calls are pressing on the idea of a peaceful protest even one quite disruptive it is not clear to me the government would show. >> so mostly peaceful protests that instructs and impedes an official proceeding for an indefinite period would not be covered? >> not necessarily. we would have to have the evidence of intent. >> harris: legal expert jonathan

turley said gorsuch laid bare the problems for the government's argument. arizona's former attorney general argued the government should not be trying out untested or novel theories in high-profile cases. matt whitaker, former acting attorney general. that's disturbing. we're going to roll the dice on this and see if it sticks? >> good to be with you. if you remember the proceed youral posture of this case the district court judge kicked it out and says it doesn't apply. enron was about document shredding. senator joe biden said this statute was about document shredding. now the district circuit court reinstated the charges. now the supreme court is looking at it saying this is not the way the statute applies. neil gorsuch did just completely shred the government's argument. important not only for the 300 plus that have been charged

under this statute but two of the four counts in the d.c. case that jack smith has brought against donald trump are this exact statute. >> harris: this idea of walking outside the bounds of what we normally see in legal proceedings is also happening in new york. we've never seen a case up against donald trump in new york, either. >> we've never seen that but remember there are so many other important crimes that should be on trial right now in new york and they are not being prosecuted. they aren't being pursued because a lot of the resources of the new york district attorney's office under alvin bragg are being focused on donald trump and trying to bring him down. again, novel legal theories with extensions of the statute of limitation and it is going to eventually all these things are going to fall apart on appeal. >> harris: we'll have to see if it happens before november 5th. that might be politically what

democrats are worried about right now, too. jury selection continued yesterday in trump's hush money trial in new york and there again wednesdays off. they aren't in court today. the judge dismissed more than 50 people. he did finally see the official swearing in of seven jurors, 11 additional ones are needed to count before opening argument can begin. you will need yours and some alternates. questions are swirling over whether truly impartial jurors can even be found in democrat-run manhattan. over the motivations of those who are hoping to sit on that jury. juror number two is a nurse who says she gets her news from "new york times," cnn claims she has no opinion about trump. she also said she believes no one is above the law. trump weighed in on potential jurors and again took on the judge and the entire trial.

>> anybody that is fair. i will let you know after the trial. don't forget we're appealing. if you look and you take a look around a good strong look every legal scholar, every legal pundit said there should be no trial. there was nothing done wrong. it is all politics. >> harris: again is that sort of novel nature of the charges and the movement against this president. let's dig in on the jurors. what did you learn about juror number two and what does it tell you? we don't know anything other than what i shared with the audience. she watches other networks but has no opinion about trump. >> 50 of 92 of the first jurors were dismissed because they articulated they could not be fair and impartial. i worry about the ones that are trying to be stealth and not admit but you can tell not only their biases but what is being poured into their head on a

daily basis. if you are watching other networks you know what those people on there are saying. they are not people giving you fair and impartial takes on these legal theories and these legal cases. but all of these jurors ultimately are going to have continue to be investigated. these names were given before jury selection. they haven't had time to investigate. facebook posts, twitter, x, wherever the folks are communicating, voting histories will be continued to be poured over. some could be exposed and why you are seeing so many alternates being picked. i would imagine there are one or two of these folks getting kicked off because they are hiding true biases. >> harris: is it par for the course for people to be asked where they get their news or is that directly to learn whether or not they have any pre-conceived bias against the president or for him?

>> i have picked juries as a prosecutor and defense attorney. each case is unique, each defendant is unique. in this case where people get their news and information is going to be relevant to whether somebody is fair and impartial. >> harris: always great to have you on the program. thank you for your time and expertise. we have breaking news with congresswoman elise stefanik now and the subject matter is anti-semitism and she is putting some pressure and questions on the president of columbia university. >> you see the concern here, though, with the lack of enforcement? you see the concern that speaking to these professors is not enough? and it is sending a message across the university that this is tolerated. these anti-semitic statements from a position of authority in professors in the classroom is

tolerated. i will have multiple rounds of questions and i yield back. >> you are recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chair. professor, i understand that all columbia students go through an orientation. >> harris: we'll go through and see if there were some hot moments to show you from this as it continues, there may be some in our future as well. we're all over covering this. joey jones will be with me right after this commercial break to dig into this. remember some of the things that have happened against jewish faith students on some of our m most elite universities and colleges in the country. students have to shield themselves for people hunting jewish students. we'll get into it. stay close. can't get a home loan because of your credit? here's great news.

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>> harris: another day, another ivy league university president trying to talk away anti-semitism on campus. we've seen so much of it. especially since october 7th. the massacre by the hamas savages on the citizens of israel. now columbia university's president is on capitol hill facing some tough questions on the anti-semitism on her campus. intense scrutiny from new york congresswoman stefanik. this is live. let's watch. >> should he be removed today. ms. shipman. >> congresswoman, you have put your finger on one of the hardest issues we as board chairs face right now. i think you can see our systems from the videos you played, everything you are talking about, our systems of rules and enforcement >> are broken. >> we have worked tirelessly -- >> my question to you. i am the one asking questions here. do you believe that he should be

removed as chair because currently he is listed as chair on columbia university's website. >> i don't believe any professor at columbia should say anything like what -- our professors have to be held to a higher standard than our students. >> but you can't say at this hearing he should be removed as chair? even though he violates university rules? >> we are looking at the issue of faculty and what we >> do you think he should be removed as chair? >> his comments are abhorrent and i believe that one of the steps that we could take in terms of discipline is to remove him from that leadership position. >> thank you for that direct answer. just to let you know, mr. abdu is not grading papers right now. he is on campus at the unsanctioned anti-israel anti-semitic event that is being supported by pro-hamas activists on campus. that's what the professor is

doing at this very moment. give you back your time. >> okay. jewish member of the school social work faculty told "the new york times," quote, when jews speak up in our school they're met with you have white privilege. are you a colonizeer and an oppressor. >> harris: i want to bring in fox news contributor and retired u.s. marine bomb tech joey jones. what we are watching right now is really interesting. the columbia president chairshipman was just asked by congresswoman stefanik if the chairman of the board who had said untoward things, anti-semitic is what he is accused of, should be removed. she couldn't answer that question with a direct answer. it seems to be some sort of like, i don't know, cold that they all have. >> columbia university is the poster child when it comes to

protecting hate speech against what is traditionally very patriotic americans and really the american way of life. for most universities, we started paying attention to what we call safe spaces and radical protests ten years ago. columbia had this problem for decades. they columbia unbecoming documentary. jewish students highlighting multiple professor that made them feel uncomfortable and threatened in the classroom. if anyone should have a magnifying glass on how they treat things like this it should be columbia university. they aren't doing this -- even the other presidents of the universities that couldn't answer stefanik's questions in the prior hearing, they are not doing this because they are in some trolley problem. the classical psychology if you can save one life or a group of lives who do you go for? not the same outcome either way.

had they answered her emphatically that calling for jewish genocide was not acceptable, they risk the riots of 2020. they risk a group of people already actively calling for their lives to destroy buildings, to shut down things, you see that they are blocking bridges and roads, these are people that use hate speech as free speech. if they did the opposite, if they just simply said yeah, we'll support this, jewish students and pro-israel students aren't going to attack them physically. they are taking the safe road regardless of what they believe. columbia leans into it a lot more. >> harris: i talked about it like a cold that some of the presidents have. let's look back and you will remember this day. elise stefanik is pushing forare the right thing to be done at these ivy league prestigious colleges in america, among the most expensive. this was stefanik with claudine

gay, who was the president of the university of harvard. let's watch. >> calling for the genocide of jews violates harvard code of conduct, correct? >> again, it depends on the context. >> it does not depend on the context. the answer is yes and this is why you should resign. >> harris: i mean, what is that? and why does it continue? >> yeah. it's operating out of fear. encourage everyone to read the book the coddling of the mind and explains over and over again the different universities, state universities some highly liberal institutions like the ones we are talking about, where the faculty and administration kowtowed to radical students to the point they believe they have the power. let me be fair, harris, college is where you should hear arguments on why palestine should be free. you should absolutely have that. once that turns into hate speech, calling for genocide,

using terms that thinly veil the idea of destroying the israeli people and the nation of israel, that should not be tolerated. in any way, shape or form. if you said that trans people should be put on some island somewhere you would not only be eradicated from the university, they proper probably press charges. you can't say hateful things about people because of race or creed. >> harris: claire shipman said yes, our system is broken at columbia university. if i am at a parent paying all that money i'm saying why is my kid there? if it's broken and it's not fixed. the audience is watching us live with us. david green wail is the co-chair of columbia's board of trustees with claire shipman. when he was asked should the person who was speaking

anti-semitic comments that chairman of the board should he be removed he said emphatically yes, he ought to go. there is not even agreement on that campus and caught in the middle are all these students. when they say they hate israel, it is two shakes away from they hate america. your last quick word on this one. >> most of them do hate america and see us as a colonist nation and i can't fix their stupidity but we don't have to tolerate it when our kids go to school and college. >> harris: more action to talk with you about briefly here since i have you. there is more action that's going on in hill now defending america from china's political warfare coming after a scathing house report was laid out an china's role in the united states fentanyl epidemic. it found that china subsidizes manufacturing of fentanyl materials. i don't think that's breaking news and gave grants to

companies openly trafficking, allowed the open sale of materials on the internet and ultimately benefits from the crisis crippling our nation, of course china benefits. former attorney general bill barr testified about that report and told fox this. >> they are complicit in the trafficking and they are driving the trafficking and incentivizing the trafficking. they believe this weakens the united states. it tells the world we're a decadent society and a disciplined society like china is the future and it distracts us and so if it's bad for us, it is good for them. >> harris: you are an expert on china. i love talking with you about the topic. your thoughts. >> we're under attack by china in the most passive and effective attack we've ever seen. 30,000 chinese illegal immigrants at the southern border. we have bio labs in california, secret police stations in new york, the chinese know what they are redoing and have a 100 year

plan and implementing it. the problem here is all the people who would spend time researching and finding the plants are spending their time looking at millions of people crossing our border. we just don't have the manpower to look into it and it will leave us vulnerable. >> harris: president biden hitting donald trump on the trail and the former president is taking shots from the courtroom. >> president biden: donald trump learned different lessons. he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it. >> coming from the biden white house. the guy can't put two sentences together. >> harris: the great debate when we come back. >> tech: at safelite, we'll take care of fixing your windshield. but did you know we can take care of your insurance claim? that means less stress for you. >> woman: thanks. >> tech: my pleasure. have a good one. >> woman: you too. >> tech: schedule today at safelite.com. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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>> harris: it is day two for president biden on the campaign trail and the important battleground state of pennsylvania. former president trump says the politically motivated legal pursuit of him has him stuck in court. >> president biden: he learned the best way to get rich is inherit it and paying taxes something that people work for a living did, not him. that's how you look at the world in park avenue and mar-a-lago. >> i should be in pennsylvania and florida and many other states, north carolina, georgia,

campaigning. this is all coming from the biden white house. the guy can't put two sentences together. he can't campaign. try to win an election. >> harris: regardless, a new poll shows a very tight race. i mentioned yesterday that biden had made a little climb. i don't know if it's helping him much. in a head-to-head match-up trump is beating biden by one point. so consider that the good news part for biden, one point, which is a statistical tie. it is all underwater after that for joe biden on key issues with the american voting public. his approval rating on the economy, immigration, foreign conflicts in the low to mid 30s. 69% of americans say he is too old to be effective. voters' opinions of donald trump have only improved since the last election. he is leading on the economy,

whether the country is better off and law and order. the more biden talks, the better it is for trump critics say. >> every time he makes a speech it is a disaster. every time he tries to read from a card it is carefully printed out with the pause marks in it is a disaster. the only time he is winning is when he is on the beach in delaware or in his basement holed up and out of sight. >> harris: matt gorman and kevin walling. great to see you both. matt, the president is complaining he is stuck in court. it is not hurting him. may even be helping him raise money. it has so far. what is going on with biden that his words aren't helping him? >> biden has a tremendous advantage. go to swing states when trump is stuck in manhattan. you look at the clips and what sticks out to me the biden campaign doesn't have an

overarching message. one day talking about democracy, next day talking about the economy. also what that clip shows it doesn't know how to attack trump. i feel like it's the same attacks hillary worked against trump. i know those attacks, trump and taxes and trump as a businessman is baked in. when trump was president. if voters care about the same attacks of a decade ago, they don't know how to attack trump and defend biden's record. >> harris: kevin, pick it up here. democracy is not on the top three on any list i've seen, yet we have heard biden talk a lot about the democracy. inflation might be, the border is, immigration. why talk about the stuff that's what aboutism to voters right

now? >> what played out in pennsylvania. donald trump won the state by 45,000 votes in 16. joe biden won it back by 80,000 in 2020. whoever wins pennsylvania will be the next president of the united states and why you see the president spend three days crisscrossing the state focusing on the economic message. 2016 was a surprise to many democrats including myself. donald trump was able to assume that populist fighting for the working class message and that's what you are seeing the president attack. the former president on comparing scranton to mar-a-lago. talking about tax cuts for working people and not the wealthy, which is what donald trump is talking about through his billionaire donors in florida. >> harris: matt. >> the problem is also he was also part of the speech talking about how trump is mean, democracy at risk, heart and soul of a nation. the same things he talked about in 2020. again you have voters can't take away when they listen to one of biden's speeches what was it

about. what is he running for re-election for? anti-trump, pro-biden? you have a listlessness. you can have criticism about trump but he is very clear since he came down the escalator in trump tower in 2015. that's an advantage to him over the last decade and what biden is having trouble doing now. >> harris: in many polls in the last six weeks or so immigration has been one or two. biden's border crisis has been one or two when you think about it, what could he say to fix it right now without taking some sort of executive action? please don't go down the tired talking point road of why can't congress get it done? we know they have had a bill from the republican side since may of 2023. nobody wanted to come to the table with that and now you have a split. the president has to do it. what donald trump can say i will put back what was working. what can biden do? >> there are indications coming

from the biden administration they're considering different executive actions. >> harris: there were before the state of the union. nothing happened. what do you think he is willing to do? >> the process is playing out. you are going to see action from the biden white house in the coming days and weeks. the president is focused on that and pushing his team to move in that direction. against a lot of the elements from the left side of my party, which are the pro-immigration elements of my party. but again i think you will see the president continue to draw that contrast. to your point we had a house bill hb2 from the republicans and a senate bipartisan bill pass the united states senate and die in the house like it did a decade ago. >> harris: they have gone back and forth. what will the president do. do we have a good sense of that? by the way, i'm pro-immigration. we're anti-illegal immigration. that's the issue right now. >> agreed. >> harris: thank you both. i'll bring you back on a

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