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senate where the impeachment trial is underway for homeland security all hundred me orgasmic listen to mitch mcconnell, the senator. >> as a court of impeachment were called not to speak, not to debate, but to listen. both to the case against the accused and to his defense. at this point in any trial in the country, the prosecution presents the evidence of the case, counsel for the defense does the same and the jury remains silent as it listens. this is what our rules require of us as well. but the senate has not had the opportunity to perform this d duty, the senate will not hear the house managers present the details of their case against secretary alejandro mayorkas,

that he willingly neglected the duties of his office and he lied to congress about the extent of that failure. likewise, we will not hear the secretaries representatives present the vigourous defense to which he is entitled. our colleagues know that we are obligated to take these proceedings seriously. this is whatever oath prescribes, it's with a history and a precedent it requires, and i would urge each of our colleagues to consider that this is what the framers actually envisioned. the power of impeachment is one of the most delicate ounces our constitutional system strikes, with a portion of the american people sovereign ellicott or authority, it purchases a safeguard against malpractice entity gives of the senate the power and they duty to decide. this process must not be abused,

it must not be short-circuited, history will not judge this moment well. therefore i moved to table the point of order and ask for the yays and nays. >> azurá sufficient second? >> there is. the clerk will call the role. >> mr. bennett missus blackburn. [ calling of recorded vote ] miss butler. >> martha: okay,, we are listening to this vote and we

want to bring in a race near congressional reporting live on capitol hill, get us up to speed as he have zeroed the entire afternoon in terms of whether they are voting on right now? >> right, mitch mcconnell, the senate minority leader was up talking about how important was not to short-circuit a trial. he said we have to hear the evidence, we have to hear the impeachment managers here. this is a procedural vote here, two or three steps removed from the business at hand. i can't want to close of the loop on what happen last hour here, john kennedy, their public and senator from louisiana, he required the senate to vote two and the trial for today and come back at noon on april 30th on tuesday. and the senate voted against that. of course the irony in that, that would was 51-49, as if of d1-49 breakdown between democrats and republicans. what's interesting is the democrats want the child to end but they don't want to stretch

this out for two or three more weeks even though they're not sitting as a court of impeachment clock not an session at dealing with a mayorkas manner be! what democrats want to do is hear this out of this afternoon for a couple of hours and ended today. ironically it was democrats who voted to keep the child going at least today and not postpone some of these proceedings until the end of the month -- trial. so much mcconnell this is the first time we heard from him in earnest, during the impeachment court, making a similar case that it's incumbent upon senators within the constitution to hear these trials out, to hear the witnesses out as a witness is recall, certainly he is the house impeachment managers, here the prosecutors out. but that probably won't happen. we are no serious, probably the next couple of hours or maybe even at the end of this roll call vote where either does going to be several more procedural votes or motions by republicans do you have debate

or have debate in private which you can do innocent at trial, or something of that nature or maybe chuck schumer would say we've exhausted all the options, we may have several different opportunities, we have voted against every time and it's time to dismiss the articles. as you said earlier it's unclear if they will do article one and article two against mayorkas together those two articles of impeachment one that he violated the trust of the united states, the others that he broke the law, whether they would have one swoop vote there and dismissive all at once or have individual votes on them at the end. there's a final vote to end of the tribal wants important here again martha is that they're probably going to beat no votes to render judgement on maid weather he is guilty or innocent over those charges to be convicted. i would like to remind everybody, in the senate, in the senate impeachment trial, it takes 67 votes, two thirds to remove somebody. human if that was on the table that probably would not happen.

but we should have this wrapped up. and might be imminent, we are making this up as we go along, maybe in the next hour, maybe the democrat from new york said heat -- she was overheard on the floor that she thought this was going to be wrapped up by 7:00 tonight. >> martha: really quick question, quick question, when you think about the differences in the recollections of the trump impeachment hearings, we saw a myriad of witnesses who spent days going through the allegations in that case. that was in the house and then it goes to the senate where they become a jury. what stands out to you in terms of any difference in how the procedures is happening now? >> it was certainly longer process in the house of representatives in the first trump impeachment trial starting in the fall of 2019, he had his close depositions for days, x. you had open hearings with the house intelligence committee and the house judiciary committee, and and then in january of 2020,

that's when they move to the impeachment trial. and the difference with the viewers saw that point is a heard of the impeachment managers, adam schiff from california, hakeem jeffries from new york, now the democratic leader present the case and end that abode with the envimac up and down yes or no, guilty or innocent, are we going to remove him from office? we had a process in 2021 after the ride at the capitol. remember the right have been january 6, it was shortly after president biden was sworn in, it was early february and it was a shorter trial about five days whereas the first trump impeachment trial covered 19, 20 days including weekends. this is a much more abbreviated process but there were two hearings before the house of homeland security committee which is prosecuting this case. >> martha: thank you very much. we will check back in with the abate. as you watch this play out over the next several hours, it was supposed to be very brief but

that has been a lot of elements brought up by republicans, things they want to vote on and we will see where this whole thing goes. in the meantime, another biggest story, columbia university in new york city, where this has been the scene today, watch. [ chanting ] >> down with occupation! >> martha: from the university students launching a gaza solidarity encampment on the ivy league camp is not too far from here as a university leadership argue their case, before the members on capitol hill. so the presidents of harvard had to resign after their disastrous testimony about campus anti-semitism but the columbia officials were ready one of the crucial question came in. >> i would like to clarify something with a simple yes or no question for all of the witnesses, does calling for the genocide of jews violated

columbia's code of conduct, mr. greenwald? sue and yes, it does. >> yes, it does. >> yes, it does. >> professor? >> yes, it does. >> martha: that was a really tough question asked him around and they were ready this time as for today's demonstration, lobby tells fox "the presence of tents on south lawn is a safety concern and a safety violation of university policies. were informing the students that are in violation of university policies and for their own safety and for the operation of the university they need to leave. interesting to most of those times are matching green tents that seem to have popped up all across this area, i don't know who might have come in and dropped off all the tense. it's pretty organized so he was here that goes. let's bring in a student to add a barn or college of columbia university. great to have a here today, thank you very much for joining us. >> spee think were having to me. >> martha: when i look back at

some of this testimony on capitol hill, it appears to flip-flop a bit on his seeing protests on campus and you know, something that is clearly occurring, then and now. watch... >> have you seen them saying we are against jewish people? >> no. >> at some of these events, the slurs and the chance have been f. of the jews, death to jews, destitute israel. >> yes those things have been said. >> martha: those two answers, one to the representative omar and then to the other representatives to fauna. >> is interesting, the president did not give us a clear answer on whether or not of the protests are anti-semitic. at one point she said that something that they say are anti- jewish but as a holder not anti-semitic, at another point they said that they are. and i think they're obsolete

are. when a large majority of students are intense, we don't want zionists here, it is clearly anti- as somatic and that it needs to be made clear. >> martha: on to ask you about those professor, joseph massad, you publish an article after october 7th and he referred to october 7th as all -- awesome, astounding and rude jubilation and all. idling up to remind anybody but we saw what happened on october 7th. elderly woman were dragged off on the back of motorcycles, young woman were taken away as hostages, people were beheaded, parents were beheaded in front of the younger children. it is striking, it is shocking i should say he would use the words awesome and astounding. the university president today seem to have a tough time determining whether or not he still teaching classes would be looked up the columbia course calendar and he is teaching a

class called "nationalism in the middle east as idea and practice" what is your take on that situation? >> yes, professor joseph massad is still teaching, and he is a curriculum tariff over arts and scientist. when his tenured it poses a lot of problems in the canned fire professor immediately. blend there at -- by there are steps that can be taken to make sure that it professor does not hold such an important position when that professor is outright hateful and endorses violence. calling a hamas murder and rape attacks on october 7th awesome encourages violence for jewish students. columbia students are following suit, we have seen that over the past six months with an incredible rise in anti-semitism which was today. and of the university really needs to take steps immediately to ensure the professor joseph massad is not teaching these classes and is not in this curriculum that he currently holds as the chair. >> martha: have a friend who was pushed around, schweb

around, were wearing a japanese -- excuse me, a jewish symbol. tell me a little bit about thought and did you ever think that you would live in an environment in this day and age where somebody would be told he had to take off a cross the start of david or anything like that? >> obsolete not. when that student, my friend, finally got free and started walking away, rightfully so he was very scared, he started running and these hateful demonstrators screamed back at him, keep [ bleep ] running. and for public safety did not make sure that started a safe, that he should take off identifying markers, identifying him as jewish is important, -- up orange, unacceptable and if -- they had to take it mediated measures to make sure these hateful demo status cannot push students around physically and verbally. >> martha: thank you very much, you are a brave and

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[ ♪♪ ] >> martha: checking back in on the senate floor, the impeachment trial of department of homeland security secretary alejandro mayorkas. let's listen. >> years of anglo-american understanding -- >> rule 24. >> question is, the question is on the motion. is a sufficient second? there is. clerk will call the roll. [ calling of recorded vote ] [

calling of recorded vote ] >> martha: okay,, they are doing another vote as you can tell, snake correspondent watching all this expertly from capitol hill. tell us what we're seeing here? >> this is the kind of the same thing we saw about 45 minutes ago, senator ted cruz, under senate impeachment rule 24th, the senate is not allowed to have debate on the floor unless you have agreed to that. you can only do that in a closed session. what happened is really the democrats voted to block them going into closed session. ted cruz took the fourth -- mike lee took the floor on this occasion and as for the same thing.

white have noted he went on for a while and you heard patty murray, the democratic senate from washington state, the most senior member of the majority party, wrapping the gavel because essentially mike lee was kind of debating that they are a little bit and she was trying to cut him off? what is trying to do right now is get the senate into that closed session, presumably on the second article of impeachment for light matt, this is the one where he broke the law, he did not follow the law of the united states and it comes to the border and get a debate on lots. i want to rewind just a little bit here because this is important, just before you came to us that they were voting on whether or not the first article of impeachment for alejandro mayorkas was constitutional be! that is the one that he violated the public trust, the vote on that, the senate voted 51-48-1, our public and senator lisa from alaska voted present on that. but they voted that the first

article was unconstitutional. so from the most part, i will underscore most part, what they have done is kind of wash that away. the question we're trying to figure out right now and because again, this is unprecedented territory. we have not seen this in most impeachment trials, you kind of make it up as he go along. whether or not they will have to come back at the end and fully vanquish that article of impeachment. what he was here right now on the floor is those votes probably wrap up in three or 55 minutes in the democrats will block them from going to that closed session for debate. at that point chuck schumer comes back, the majority leader, and make another point of order that the second article of impeachment was, in fact, unconstitutional and they vote on that. we was even if it is a similar roll call vote, as the republican from alaska both the same way. she was somebody we talked to in the hall a few days ago and seemed kind of unimpressed with this entire process going on with america's here. -- alejandro mayorkas. it is been mostly party votes until the deflection a few

moments ago. and then the democrats control this process, of the all stick together, they have the majority in the senate. they will not to go to a final vote whether or not to convict alejandro mayorkas. >> martha: okay. thank you very much. we will be coming back as his moves on this afternoon and keeping an eye on that efforts to impeach secretary alejandro mayorkas over his handling of the border crisis impact is felt far beyond border towns known, it is deep into all parts of the u.s., in cities like denver were $8 million is being cut from different agency budgets including police, including f fire, to move towards managing the migrant influx which the mayor their calls "the newcomers". rob -- robert wolf was standing by to discuss those, but first a senior corresponded, live in denver. the mile high city, hello at least yes. >> hello, you know every budget in every denver city will be cut

including the police, the fire department, this is all to help make up with a $90 million aid package that mayor mike johnston says he needs to address the crisis, the migrant crisis, and the mayor's own office budget is taking the biggest hit, slashing about 10 percent from his own budget. is that more than $80 million coming from police, it's about e most attention per mag the mayor insists there will be no change to officers deployed on the street, no change the city's plan on recruiting and no changes to public facing services. >> more capital cuts, things like delaying new furniture purchases, police department buildings, they would try to focus on places that were not public facing. that was a core priority not to fight public spaces. >> we were able to make sure we provide all of our core services without impacting the budget. >> of a happy we had a pathway to help these migrants coming into our city.

>> martha: >> neighboring communities are watching now, douglas county recently passed an ordinance for having bus companies from dropping off migrants and announced to prevent overflow from denver. this week, douglas in another county file the lawsuit against colorado and the governor to overturn at sanctuary laws. they want at local law enforcement to be able to work with federal ice agents on migrants who commit or are accused of a crime. >> we hope to create an environment where local governments and the state can once again cooperate with federal government and address national crisis. >> no comment from the governor's office so far, martha? >> martha: okay,, so many policies have changed so dramatically across his country in a positive couple of years. let's bring in as a cohost of fox and friends and host of one nation, you can catch his history tour in henderson, nevada, looking forward to that on april 27th. get you tickets for that big

night. robert wells, former obama advisor and fox news contributor, great to have both of you with us. going to start by playing his sound bite alejandro mayorkas early on in his tenure as a secretary in charge of our homeland security. here's what he said. >> we have a rescinded so many trump immigration policies it would take so much time to list them. >> that's not wearing too well, robert? >> nope. listen this has been one of the most polymerizing issues for decades. it is clear that whether it was the group aid from years ago, 4-5 on each side, we have not been able to pass anything. it is disappointing, we all see what is going on, it is front and center and i know we are going to talk about the impeachment but impeachment's are political, you have a dop house, have a democratic senator, this has been on

arrival. where should not be dead on arrival and a hope your viewers could agree is we have a bipartisan passage of a bill that actually increases border control, increases physical security, increases cybersecurity, changes asylum, it was front and center by a conservative gop senate at lengthy. i would put that and i guarantee you -- >> martha: we know there is something the president can do, know this auto thing that mayorkas and dpmac the core of this impeachment as he denied upholding the law that exists, that he does have things. and i think people watching this impeachment process and they go, are you kidding me? i mean if you completely failed in your job and all of your funds back then lost money, would you have a job anymore, running that fund? >> i would not have a job. but there is a reason martha it hasn't been a cabinet secretary up for impeachment 450 years because you were at the directive of the president. >> martha: i get it, it's of a unique circumstance.

>> i'm with you. >> martha: we are living a very extreme circumstance. i would also take issue with what robert said about this being such a divisive issue, i see people on all sides of the political spectrum or throwing up their hands, the cannot believe it is going on. let's play the sound bite from lakewood, colorado and i would love to get brian's thoughts and all of this. >> everybody's taxes are going to end up blowing up, the crime is going to become incredible, just new york city. >> citizens of lakewood are drowning and you're talking about adding more water. >> using our tax money for our people! we needed! >> martha: those are the voices of the people of this country, we had all across the country brian. >> on this piece of legislation talking to langford along the way, he's getting some of the stuff he's done through and joe biden was playing a role in it, was not being the most cooperative. he was working with senator murphy, in the end of the discretion, nobody has faith in

president biden to tell the border patrol to have a zero tolerance and cross because of what happened on at 923 -- nine, 23, 21. all of those executive orders biden put in place to not pass legislation. could get close to doing that, could not get the wall done. but because they reversed everything, now they want bipartisan legislation to fix it and their brogans are saying, i have six more months, i don't trust him to do anything or give him a positive how he's allowed 9 million people, 2 million getaways to get in here. the reason this impeachment happen is not a policy difference. it's a delegation of duty allowing these in many cases criminals to come in to our country illegally and create chaos in almost every major city in the country. i did not think it would be possible until newcomers are labeled -- is it jaw-dropping. >> martha: clearly with a number of terrorists coming in and what we had from the fbi

director christopher ray how concerned he is about a domestic terror attack in part of these people crossing over,'s is not a national security issue that should be dealt with by the president of the united states immediately? >> absolute, extreme terrorism foreign and domestic is front and center. pieta. even what he was drawing on campuses, if you were showing it in the middle east. >> martha: i mean god forbid something happened? the waiting on this is very nerve-racking i think for most of americans. >> everybody's lifestyle in all of these major cities, including denver, chicago, new york, philadelphia, and san francisco. >> martha: great to have you here today, thank you. coming up, judge perino onto the trump side of this equation as of the former president that was it to straighten out new york and to secure america's border, when we come back.

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>> one more year! one more year! >> martha: chance of four more years for president trouble here in new york city, has a break today from his so-called harsh money trial. juried to --'s election starts tomorrow, as you know the president, former president said he did nothing wrong and you should be out on the campaign trail instead of court. the five cohost, judge perino with this back story, corresponded alexis mcadams reporting live from trump tower here in manhattan. hello! >> hello, busy time here in the big apple for the former president donald trump. he has been in and out of the courtroom and then hitting the campaign trail. is a him yesterday where he connected one on one over the voters. but when you ask trump what you feels about the jurors he begs of our and he said he let us know in two months. he feels like this whole big thing is one big hoax, watch.

>> mr. trump: it let me tell you the gaggle order is totally unconstitutional. the judge should not be there. and the judge is highly conflicted, you should not be there. >> seven new york was sworn into sit on those jury, four minor three woman. they will decide whether trump falsified records to cover up a sex scandal involving drumming daniels d.e.i. this is what we know, the four person is a man from arlen who says you got his knees from the new york times, fox news and msnbc. a woman who works as a nurse and a asian man who practices corporate law, both the say they read the new york times, also a young software engineer works for disney, a middle-aged man born impaired areolas as he reads the times and listens to podcasts, and a young black woman raised in harlem by law enforcement family says she gets hurt news from google, tiktok and radio, and the last ones as he reads the papers every day and putting the times and new york post. so the first former president to

stand trial on criminal charges made a stop in harlem to talk about crime in the big apple, stopping by ware street -- store clerk stabbed a man to death abby was badly attacked by customer. the da for his charge that click with murder in new york within dropped it. trump said more stops like this. >> mr. trump: big play for new york! this city, i love the city. it's gone so bad in the last three years, four years and we will straighten new york out. running for president, reporting a big focus on new york. >> trump should be here any minute according to nypd, he'll be back in court tomorrow. >> martha: okay,, speeding away much. judge jeanine it joins me on a side, cohost of the five and host of the new special, what did he do, available tomorrow on fox nation. squeezing a quick question on that. just watching former president trump in harlem yesterday, he

believes that new york is a place where he can potentially win. he thought his last turnaround is located there was talk of the madison square garden rally which think would be a fascinating event in new york city. and yet you look at the seven jurors and he says, i don't know if i can get a fair trial here in new york what you think? >> judge jeanine: when you think about it, in manhattan, 9e anti- trump in the last election. and the jury pool was made from individuals from of the voting rolls. he's not far off, this is a blue city and a very blue state. make no mistake, there are always people who want to get on a jury it was say and do anything to get on a jury. i'm not as comfortable as he is but i'm not in the courtroom so what do i know. i fear based upon the pool itself that it's an anti- trump jury. what he is issued, the case should have never been brought, the truth is there are people, criminals, defendants in jail on violent crimes, longer before

this indictment was brought against donald trump who is case have been prioritized as opposed to they are reaching out and pulling out of their most recent gaze was that the defendant not trade with the violent crime, who is not in jail and says let's try this first. why? it's all political. but when donald trump says, he thinks he wants to make a big play, those are his words, for new york city, is it fair play. because new york city and where he went in bodega is were innocent, the bodega owner was literally jailed and charged with murder for trying to defend himself from an ex-con career criminal who jumped over the counter and tried to kill him while his girlfriend is stabbing the bodega owner and he so petrified he moved back to the dominican republic. people want to hear that we have law and order, new york city is a city that don't trump loves. the trump tower. this was his city for years.

i believe he could make it a big play for the city and you can set it straight suite treat when he was having a conversation in harlem yesterday, he also said about the jury, i don't know if it will get to that point. we are trying to appeal. there's no hitting the brakes at this point it is our? >> judge jeanine: is always in motion to dismiss the indictment but obviously i assume that has already been made. the most unfair issue right now martha is the one-man order. there has always been a problem with one-man orders in the first amendment freedom of speech. you have an individual -- gag. if a politician who has a freedom of speech at any american, he's not just a politician, is running for president. so the judge gags the president and all of the witnesses against him from the serial liar, michael cole in, and stormy daniels, they're trashing him every minute. donald travis on allowed to respond. this is not fair, it is not constitutional, it's not right.

by the way, as a judge admission gaggle orders, i have been gagged as a da. so i get this. this is totally wrong. >> martha: nobody gagged you, that would have never happened! [ laughter ] when you look at this jury and you think, can to the trump attorneys make the argument he just made, in a closing argument can you stand up and say, look at these are all the people that have been apprehended and let it go that are wandering around the streets, all these people carrying at crimes in the subway and this is where is this the da is putting his energy? and you make that argument? >> judge jeanine: it depends on the judge. i would definitely make that argument whenever there's anybody law enforcement who sits on the stand to cross-examine them regarding that. but that is a selective prosecution argument. that would be made in emotion before the trial itself. so that the prosecution is clearly what this is, it's a

political prosecution. the fact is being tried now, where every das office in the state and on talking to prosecutors say we are not caught up with a 2021 violent crimes of the individual still in jail. they are pulling this coyotes they can prate him around as a convicted felon running for president. >> martha: by former das who dismissed it, and want to pick up this trial that it was on prosecutable and we don't work. tell us about -- i keep getting the title of the song -- tell us about your new documentary? >> judge jeanine: they didn't do it! did they do it. we're talking about pd, every what he knows who he is. this is a guy who has been in a lot of trouble, we sought the raids in his combs -- homes, he's being charged with sexual assault, civilly that have been talks about homicides and orders, all of these angry back and forth between different

gangs. this is a guy that i think has a lot of liability and it is a question of it coming to an end. and i have been a years of rumors about this guy, is a media mogul, supper claimed bad boy, and be careful what you wish for but at this special going to drop tomorrow, did diddy do it? >> martha: day did diddy do? what is your sense -- they have not arrested him. he's not charged with anything. and you feel for where that's headed? >> judge jeanine: he will be charged. that is just my instinct. >> martha: judge, thank you so much d.e.i. always great to see you, thank you for stopping by. and our journalist reflect -- reacts to the former editor parting ways of his blistering take on the taxpayer-funded media as it fails he felt his test of good journalism. he's out now. that is next! car payments are getting

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>> martha: a bombshell from the veteran and pr veteran are suspended after railing against what you calls a liberal bias in cabot growing at his time at the network. now resigning, but writing those, do not support calls to defined and pr, or is like the integrity of my colleagues and wish for and they are to thrive but i cannot work in a newsroom ram disparaged by a new ceo whose divisive views confirmed the very problems at npr eyesight and my free press as a, he's referring to the catherine mayer whose social media pose before she became ceo include calling a donald trump former president a racist, you can see that posted there, and he says out of the air was quote -- "not

involved" with every bank and investigative journalist sergeant matt, encoding work on the twitter files, good to have you with us. he resigned today, what do you make of whether this story has gone? >> i think it's an amazing media story, we have been waiting for years for somebody at npr to speak out about the obvious problems at the network, it's been losing listeners it rapidly for quite some time and frankly its biggest problem isn't losing conservatives but really people like me who grew up listening to it and liking it and now can no longer tune in at all. so finally he wrote his essay in the free press and made to some very legitimate criticisms about other coverage failures among other things and for him, to be forced out of the organization, it's a rather remarkable development. would have thought that they would have gone out of the way to keep him. >> martha: you would think, if they want to prove that they are

more fairs and he says they are, they should welcome his voice to be part of all this d.e.i., and you want to come away from things that wiser because you have heard a lot of different angles, that's on the case, a dog and in the twitter files for the hunter biden laptop story and he talks about that. he says during a meeting with colleagues i listened as one of them most fair-minded journal said it was good we were not following the laptop story because it can help trump. and then you look at this post from the npr public editor which was supposed to be a forum for listeners and 70 asked him, why haven't you seen any stories from npr about of the new york post hunter biden story? and he said we don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories, we want to waste listeners times on stories are distractions. >> this would be a pretty serious ethical problem at a private news network if you were making an elective decision to

not cover a major newsworthy event in the middle of a presidential election, but for a public broadcasting that work, for national public radio, to sit there and take taxpayer money and then make this decision is really extraordinary. and i think it sets them apart even from the other organizations was on the twitter files actively decided not to cover that story. >> martha: what about the funding part of the story? you heard about in uri berliner's quote, he says you does not believe that npr should be divided but hundreds of millions taxpayer dollars go to support national public radio. should that change? -- defunded doing it it not necessarily in favor of defunding npr but with all due respect to foxnews, if there were a federally funded version of let's say hannity out there, i was inc. a lot of people would be rightly upset because they

would see that as politicized news. >> martha: i'm sure your right about that. >> yeah,, so i think they just have to make this network a better. was actually, in a good public service for quite a long time and their problems are not really political. there problems are really more about being out of touch with what ordinary people think. they have a conception of what they're trying to do that they're trying -- they think is moral, but there's so much in a bubble that they cannot see what people really care about and that's really the problem. >> martha: elon musk called a state affiliated media and he says it should be defunded? quick thought on that? >> yeah, well i'm concerned, i mean after the twitter files is an enormous amount of energy and investment going into sort of let's say state funded media operations, whether it's the

global engagement center of state, or polygraph, or the usa agm. that worries me because i think that is a problem with state propaganda but they're trying to bring it home. national public radio is an institution i think that is fixable and they should fix it. >> martha: does bring some public pressure on that, we will see where it goes. speeding away much d.e.i. great to see as always. the progressive wing of president biden's party turning to up the heat against a genocidal and their words benjamin netanyahu and is was war in gaza. that is next. >> president biden please, you cannot lead internet and yahoo pool our country into this war it's time. yes, the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. everyday, more dog people are deciding it's time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmer's dog.

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