paragraph of the book from ronald reagan because i think it sums it up to you both remember it. freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. we didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. must be fought for, protected and handed off for them to do the same for one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children's and our children's children what it was once like in the united states when men were free. joe biden is the anti-liberty, the anti-constitution, the anti-reagan, the anti-trump. he is the tyranny part of liberty and tyranny. the only way to stop him is to defeat him. i will see you next time on life, liberty and love then.

good evening and thank you for joining us. i'm trey gowdy and at sunday night in america election day is six months away a potential warning signs are blinking for both sides. polling indicates former president trump is leading president biden in the battleground states of pennsylvania, arizona, michigan and georgia and nevada. at the same time so-called election simulators forecasting biden victory. moreover what does it profit a person to gain the presidency we don't have the senate and the confirmation and judicial appointments. on that front west virginia looks like the gop pick off but what about ohio, arizona and nevada pennsylvania and michigan? needy radio personalities on the left are sounding the alarm, not pulling the fire alarm like jaamal bowman. i mean figuratively. >> is very clear that biden is worse off now six months from

election that obama was and when bill clinton was. >> this should be a wake-up call. >> it's going the wrong way. it's not working. >> one thing appears certain to race will likely come down to the few counties and a handful of states. don't forget about the debate. to have been agreed to by the candidates cutting out the commission on presidential debates and cutting out robert kennedy jr.. it's feeling like a 50-50 election all over again. joining us or to political political experts "fox news" conservative town hall contributed town hall.com editor katie ballot and former dnc deputy press secretary and strategist jose. welcome to you both. katie the polling looks encouraging in parts for trump but there's this lingering to vote for nikki haley so my question to you does trump need those votes to win or to build something resembling a mandate and is their plan to attract those reticent voters?

>> it wouldn't hurt to have those voters that's for sure donald trump's in a position where he has most of his base completely locked up and he is polling demographics away from democrats. joe biden is in a position where his coalitions are seeing a lot more fractures than republicans. i talked to a couple of nikki haley voters and they said they wouldn't vote for him but a lot of republicans will look at the contracts here with joe biden and donald trump and the fact that their inflation rate is 20% more expensive than they feel like the world is on fire and they will come home to the republican party donald trump's able to get those votes of black and voters in some states that aren't necessarily in play right now that could be in a couple of months.

>> jose jose to katie's point polling does indicate president biden the struggling with constituencies that once seemed reliable. first evolved do you believe that in similar to what i asked katie, college campus protesters are going to vote for them but they may stay home so does biden have an enthusiasm problem and is he is katie suggested fighting to keep traditionally reliable constituencies on board? >> thanks for having me on. i think first and foremost we have to recognize and be very careful to not overreact to polls whether they are for you or against you. if we take ourselves back to 2016 when hillary clinton was winning the night before the election every single poll in america said she was going to be the next president of the united states and she wasn't. she lost so i would advise people to be very careful. that doesn't mean people should

come out and -- make the case that i'm fighting for your future and i'm helping this economy even though i'm not done here. we know prices are still too high and the president recognizes that what he brought inflation down from 9% to 3% always going in the right direction. he you have a point, point to the other guy. he is consumed by his past but he doesn't care about you. he cares about his case any and he cares about his legal fees. >> i will let you jump in. >> i don't think we are going to see a lot of lying about inflation. my colleague on the other side of the aisle to said inflation joe biden to get down to and from 9% to what is now. when joe biden came into office

it was 1.4 cents and i went to 9%. you will see a lot of changing of the narrative and the fudging of the facts on the issues. >> let me say this about politics in general. i wish i sold polygraph machines. oftentimes those are fact free zones but i do want to get into the debates katie. i'll start with you and then jose i will ask you. whether the country that could split an ativan land something on mars could come up with a constructive debate structure. i'm not sure we have one so what do you think of the two debates, one is in like a week and another one later on in the fall. i mean how would you use structure a debate worthy of a country like ours? katie you go first and then you jose. >> the first debate is at the end of june so you have a month for the first one. it's on traditionally very early ahead of the republican and

democratic convention in july and august so that's interesting. i would structure and both candidates get there respectfully in a conversation with each other and there is an option from the moderator and last questions for the republican side. i think he will be interesting to see them talk about these issues. donald trump did well against hillary clinton in 2016 and it's will top joe biden the first time in 2020. it will set expectations low for joe biden which is probably a mistake because if you set the bar on the ground is going to step right over it. >> let me add this. maybe katie, i agree with katie and joking aside i do think it's important there's a debate. job biden -- joe biden is too old, i'm happy that the ball is

in donald trump scored as they say. i do like that they will each other's microphones when each one are speaking bears for there won't be a shouting match. looking historically at past elections we know all the debates don't move the needle all that much when it comes to voters. i do think it's important and i think they won't make a whole lot of difference come november. >> before he let it go i have to get you both to react. every now and again something happens that makes me miss the british monarchy. happen last night during an oversight committee markup. people said you miss congress, i miss the british monarchy after i watched legislators talk about fake eyelashes and physiques. it's just not worthy of a nation like ours.

katie, number one why did they do it in jose i will get you to weigh in to. don't you think, surely voters don't want that, do they visit ad homonym personal insults? i will let you take this with last night's oversight hearing. >> do you know what we are here for? >> that is absolutely unacceptable. how dare you. >> are your feelings hurt? >> baby girl. don't even play. >> baby girl? >> it's so embarrassing and when you think of congress you thank you are sending people there who have respect for the process and respect for the position when you start hearing about eyelashes and people's body types and screaming when you are supposed to be dealing with this serious contempt of congress charges for the attorney general

that's debasing an undignified and not something regular americans would like to see from their representatives. >> jose out that you agree that we can do better. >> that's exactly right. it's no surprise that congress has the lowest approval rating year after year. it seems to me they forget who they are here to serve. they are here to serve the american people. >> i can also tell you it's also not persuasive. it may be gratifying for a small part of the respective bases but it is not persuasive. i just think we are better than that. but you all showed remarkable civility to one another so you all are disqualified from congress but you are welcome to come back anytime you want to join me on a sunday night. >> i'm fine with that.

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>> welcome back to sunday night america. michael cohen was not only donald trump's attorney he said he would take a bullet for this week it was cohen holding the gun. he is the most important witness on the prosecution because he claims to have orchestrated the catching kills game said it was done to further trump's political ambitions and the invoices were falsified to make it look like legal expenses and trump was in on it from the

beginning. cohen called for more baggage than an airline. he's a convicted. as a general rule does not make good witnesses. cohen is openly biased against rome. he wants to see trump in prison and about revenge. cohen makes money off of this prosecution is animosity is palpable. he said he had nothing incriminating on trump. those are called prior inconsistent statements and they aren't endearing qualities for a crucial witness in the eyes of the jury when it comes to credibility. virtually no one will believe michael cohen beyond a reasonable doubt that the question is whether the jury have to believe cohen to convict or is there enough corroboration in accepting his mendacity? joining us is former prosecutor alex lyttle. alex, welcome. do you think cohen helped to

calm -- you could literally feel the bias through his testimony. i don't know that i have ever seen a witness, a government witness without much palpable bias. >> it's a difficult situation produces sometimes when the prosecution is to put away the sun. they can do the case without michael cohen's testimony but his baggage is and it makes their case looked miserable. i think they tried to put on as much corroboration and they stuck to the documents and plotted through them one at a time hoping they would be a paper trail to make the jury believed what he was saying was true. true or false he is a biased witness and he has all sorts of problems with inconsistent statement. it's a defense attorney stream to cross-examine someone like him but there's a documentation that backs up what he is saying. a classic case and the jury determines the credibility of the witness and it will depend on the way he performed. >> even if the jury does believe

that the former president and stormy daniels had an intimate relationship does that ipso facto yield a guilty verdict? in other words could they believe her testimony still conclude that no crime was committed? >> oh sure absolutely. they couldn't believe many parts of this case and that's why his testimony is important. they have to show there's an intent to falsify records and that's a small piece of the story that's been told over these weeks about the trial ultimately the only colonel piece whether this alleged affair and the cover-up of the affair and the actual documents were manipulated for that purpose and also the documents were done in a manner to protect their re-election campaign at the time. >> almost all witnesses at least in my experience are capable of telling the truth at some point in almost all are capable of not telling pictures.

even defendant to testify at least get their names right when they are introduced to the jury so you mentioned, you mentioned the jury can accept a lot of that and still not convict. what do they have to accept from michael cohen to find president the former president guilty beyond a reasonable doubt? >> they have to believe that cohen let the former president know the specifics of what he was doing with a particular recordkeeping of how these payments were going to be documented. if they don't believe that i don't think there's a good direct evidence the former president knew that those false statements were being made within the organization. >> i want us to listen. michael cohen is a lawyer but he had a lawyer. listen to his former lawyer and i'll ask you a question. spend over and over again 10 to 20 times i swear to god i don't have anything on donald trump

and when we got into a discussion stormy daniels nba he said specifically and i cross-examine him on this, this was my idea. >> not sure i want my lawyer doing a whole lot of interviews if you are defense council who if anyone would you walk to call? are you confident enough right now that there is a reasonable doubt or would you put up a defense case and if so who and how? >> i would absolutely put on defense case but i think cohen's to the extent he can testify about the statements would be one of them. adults may a lot of times defense lawyers or prosecutors are confident in our case but we believe everybody thinks the same way we do. if you do enough to rouse you learn to experience, the jury has a different view so yes you may thank you slaughtered them on the cross exam but to drive that home with additional witnesses which i think we will do is the proper strategic call.

>> i remember judge is used to tell me that i had enough and i could stop. give me a new trial if you are wrong and if it comes back not guilty the interest no, i can't say you have to keep going until really until the jury says look, we get it. please stop. alex lyttle thank you for your insight. >> thank you. take care. >> two things jeopardize our justice system by prosecutors of nebraska congressman known for defending persecuted christians. that was his work in congress. the fbi placed a phonecall during an investigation to the california fund-raiser and reported it. the fbi weighted months and months to ask jeff about that conversation. >> i do remember what i said last week that the fbi expected jet too low recall with precision the conversation from half a year earlier.

of course he didn't remember the details. they recorded in the call and they knew what was said and by whom. they wanted him to fail their memory test that they could put a political pelt on the wall. the fbi botched the dylan background check, mishandled the usa gymnastic sexual assault case, selling his own reputation with crossfire hurricane but they get really excited going after congressman. he was tried in california although no interview took place there. they did it because its easier church convict a republican in california but that conviction was overturned in doj wait until the statute of limitations had run in nebraska so they could try him in washington d.c.. i'm very familiar with that d.c. interview. i was there for it. there never would have been an interview in d.c. except for two facts, federal prosecutors made patently false student --

statements in congress very much wanted to help the investigation. he had nothing to hide. he had done nothing wrong and he believed it was civic duty to cooperate. in other words he trusted federal prosecutors and fbi agents and took them at their word. that proved to be a fatal mistake. so now even though his career was gone in his life savings depleted he served probation and pay paid the fine. doj is not satisfied. they lost on appeal and they are big to fit -- vindictiveness is driving them to punish him all over again for joining this is his attorney glenn summers. welcome, glenn. let me summarize the case for the fbi federal prosecutors can lie to you but you cannot miss recollects fact from a phonecall six months ago. that's my summary of it. >> you know. good evening to you and it's great to be on the show. thank you for having me. you summarize the case perfectly

for the evidence is undisputed that congressman fortenberry had no knowledge of illegal campaign contributions. they placed a couple of phonecalls and basically set him up. at the interviews they deliberately set him up for a false statement case. the whole case was about he was very forthcoming about the fund-raiser, what happened to the people involved. this case now is about one tiny characterization of what occurred on that phonecall. that one little detail and let me be clear the phonecall that they placed to him that they recorded occurred nine months before the first interview and almost a year before the real interview in washington d.c.. they of course knew all of the facts. no one was misled by congressman fortenberry. this was a setup from start to finish in the real question now is having forced him to resign having forced him to basically his entire life savings

defending himself on an improper prosecution in los angeles, having served his probationary sentence why are they doing this all over again? it makes absolute innocence when you look at the normal standards for prosecutorial discretion. why on earth would they prosecute this man a second time as again while this case was up on appeal. he served his probationary sentence. he fulfilled all of the terms of his sentence and we have to keep in mind at the conclusion of the first trial the federal district judge who heard all of the evidence declined the government requests for a custodial sentence. they refuse to -- the judge refused to put congressman fortenberry in jail. why? he found the evidence was overwhelming that congressman fortenberry and i quote the federal judge was an exceptional character and the judge found all of the witnesses including the government's witnesses said

that he was a man of exceptional character and its extraordinary truthfulness of the great irony of this case is that fellow congressmen and in particular a democrat from california from the bay area were lined up and testified on his behalf. others were lined up prepared to that he was one of the most honorable men and in all of washington and in all of congress did we have undisputed testimony that we have one of the most truthful, honest, good men in congress and he is the person who is now being prosecuted twice for making false statements to the fbi hinted the doj. makes no sense tray. this is a time when the world has been turned upside down and you wonder what's going on. >> i'm afraid i know glenn it's

and prosecutors and being a prosecutor was my favorite job. there's nothing more beautiful than pursuing justice and there's nothing than teeing and trying to further your own career at the expense of someone everyone would have told you what anna as you said in everyone that worked for fortenberry was defending christians and the follower of the rules. he wait until the trump administration without end to interview him and then they wait until the trump administration was out and gone before they indicted him and this is an outrage. you and i will be back on. i don't know when the trial date is that we are going to follow this case and we may be the only two people in the world who are following up that we will follow it together. >> thank you for following this because of the tragedy of vast tragedy of justice and makes you wonder where the people of the

doj are and how we are allowing something like this to happen. this doj is out of control and it's a ship without a captain right now. >> of all the things that they take a pass on to go after someone like jeff fortenberry is truly staggering. thank you so much for joining us on this sunday night. >> thank you again. take care. coming up israeli -- plunging deeper into gaza as the biden administration move forward on $1 billion worth of new weapons for the jewish state. former ambassador to the u.s. michael oren joins us next on sunday night america.

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>> i'm ashley strohmier in new york. former president jobs near criminal tried to be coming to an incident that his former attorney michael cohen back on the stand tomorrow but is likely to be the final day of cross-examination. cohen is believed to be the prosecution's last witness and if that's the case of defense will have the opportunity to begin calling their own witness to the stand and if they decide not to arguments can begin as early as tuesday. millions in our nation's heartland are facing harsh weather. today marks the beginning of a

multistate severe weather threat. much of the plane to the midwest could see large hail tornadoes heavy rain and damaging winds. a rocky weather pattern is expected to calm down midweek. i'm ashley strohmier and back to "sunday night in america." i'll have all your headlines on foxnews.com. welcome back to "sunday night in america" for the biden administration is trying to walk a political tightrope in the middle east. holding onto is her one day professing solidarity with the jewish people and the next. here's a state department spokesperson using a lot of words to say not very much. >> it is fully legitimate for united states to be concerned about the use of certain security assets in an urban and then setting? it's as simple as that. we also believe strongly that every step possible needs to be

taken to -- for many of us the analysis is simpler. do you support the lone democracy in the region? do you support the eradication of the terrorist network or would you prefer to grow in launch another attack? israel is not the 51st state. israel is a sovereign nation surrounded by countries and elements that desire its nonexistence. biden wants to get reelected in israel wants to keep from being eliminated. the u.s. used to be israel's most reliable ally but what about now? joining us is former israeli ambassador to the united states michael oren. welcome mr. ambassador. we will start with two questions from your viewpoint the state of the war in gaza currently in the state of u.s. israeli relations. >> battling gaza spheres in

various places around the gaza strip and in the south along the southern border with egypt and in broth. israel's trying to move hundreds of thousands of palestinians away from the combat area to do with the biden administration wants us to do and that's minimizes much as possible civilian casualties. we are fighting an enemy that is not only hiding crime hiding under the civilians imported miles of -- it's inconceivable. to reduce the civilian casualties and every civilian casualty is a tragedy israel probably has the lowest ratio of combatants is civilian including iraq afghanistan and syria. so that's occurring to the state of the u.s. israel relationship is complex. their attentions. yesterday the national security adviser came out and reiterated america's support for the aims of destroying hamas which is

very welcome. others have come out and said the united states is going to withhold certain types of ammunition from being used in rafah and report in the "washington post" last week said the united states was holding sensitive security information about the whereabouts of senior hamas leaders underground and if they are underground they have hospitals underground withholding that information and less israel conforms to america's demands about rafah. it's a mixed message and we appreciate deeply the support we have been giving including a billion dollars in military aid just last week we hope the united states was dan's foursquare with us and what with the vast majority described as a war to release the hostages. hamas will not accept any deal on the table and and we have no choice but to continue military pressure on hamas in order to

secure the release of our hostages. >> mr. ambassador u. have a unique perspective when it comes to israel. it's a sovereign nation on the one hand period full stop the next sentence it also needs support from united states so how does that dynamic play out especially when the u.s. seems to, seems to be trying to manage this war from afar? will we try to convey our interests and our perspectives to the united states. the united states is a big country and our way for the middle east. you have nice neighbors in oceans around you as well. when the united states and american leaders say to us we want you to share our experience in iraq and afghanistan that's very good iraq and afghanistan american forces can pick up and go home. our forces can't pick up and go home because we are home. there's no place to run away too and it doesn't make the news

here very often but our forces up north are being pummeled, pummeled by iranian made missiles and hezbollah. my assistance in my office said they can and get out at their bunkers to go and eat take as their bombardments by rockets and drones. the entire turner than part of the gallo leah is an inhabitable. this is intolerable for any country. we have to take whatever steps are necessary to ensure not just security but our survival and that's a difficult reality to convey to americans who in their neighborhoods and their communities and their schools and the places of worship have never been under intense rocket fire. it's a difficult reality you will agree with me but we have no choice. >> the united states is surrounded by friendly neighbors, nonadversarial neighbors into big bodies of water and that is not a luxury that israel has ambassador michael oren thank you for

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>> welcome back to "sunday night in america." dr. billy graham was the most influential minister of my lifetime but his revivals were not for the elegance and simplicity of the message and the difficulty and the challenge. ck chesterton may have said it best it's not that christianity that's been tried and found wanting its that christianity is hard in their front tried. turn the other cheek for those who persecute you love your enemy no political adviser on earth would get that device. the most significant person to ever walk the earth did so what is the role of christians in the political process and what is the future of the church? was christianity supposed to be popular? joining us is the presidency of the billy graham evangelistic association reverend franklin graham. welcome to use sir. it's wonderful to see you again. your father is being honored in

a private citizen who never held political office and now has a statue in statuary hall. he struck me as a very modest man. what would his reaction to this the? >> trey he'd be a little uncomfortably because he wouldn't want the attention to be drawn to him. he would want the attention to go to the one that my father served and that was the. he'd want all the attention to go to him. reverend when i think of your father i also think of your mother because i know so many people that were impacted by her during the course of her life so she may not have a statue in statuary hall that to me she is right there beside your father at least in my mind. >> she is in the hall with my father. my father received a, excuse me the congressional gold medal.

the artist of the statue at the foot of the statue is the congressional gold medal with my mothers face so it's right there at my father's feet. and so the open bible, what i like about the statue is my father standing there with an open bible in his hand on the scriptures and the scripture on the open bible i'm not sure if it was engraved but i know the reference was the bible says god forbid that glory saving the cross of our lord jesus christ by whom the world is crucified under me and i into the world and that was the last message my father wanted to preach but he was never able to preach it so the artist put that on the open

bible and then on the side of the pedestal is a cross with john's 3:16. so loved the world that he gave his own begotten son that whoever should believe in him should not perish but have everlasting life and on the other side of the pedestal john 14:6 where jesus said i am the way. the truth and the life no man comes to the father but by me. on the back of the pedestal is what is on my father's gravestone. i didn't want there to be an argument after his death among us children so i thought i'm just going to ask my father what he wants on his gravestone. we will type it out and he can sign it. we would just put that in the file so when he passes away if there's any argument we can pull it out and say here is what daddy wanted. he just wanted. she. she of the gospel of jesus christ. that's all it is. that's what he wanted.

>> what a humble man and speaking of humble that's one of the few things that described himself as being humble. i'm not going to get into with you because i will lose reverend graham but the story of the good samaritan has many layers but one of those layers could be help comes from unexpected sources. those who should help us don't and those who should pass us by stop and they help. it's hard to see much of god at least for me in the political environment and it's hard for many to see in politics so how do we navigate the two? i'd be interested in government and politics but more just and following the teachings of. >> the apostle paul said i'm not ashamed of the gospel force the power of god and the salvation. i believe politicians that are

christians should live their faith. i don't think just because you going to congress or whatever that you check your religion at the door. you take it with you and i think we need men and women in the halls of government who lived out what they believe. of course we have seen some of the problems this week with some of the name-calling back and forth among congresspeople and kind of that kind of remarks. it's just discouraging but we need more christians taking a stand and just saying this is what god have to say. men are not afraid to and of course i was with speaker johnson i appreciate him so very much. the little bit of time i with him he's a man of deep faith and he is a tough job that i

wouldn't want for all the tea in china but they their men like him who are willing to take a stand. he's an authentically spurge a person and for all the members of congress at least they will have to walk by one of the most modest humble man and had all the reason the world to be full of himself. billy graham one of the most famous man to ever walk the earth and he had a modesty and humility about himself and we could all learn from that. reverend franklin graham thank you for joining us on this sunday night. >> thank you trey. god bless you sir. >> god bless you too. next we hear from you on "sunday night in america." [music playing] tiffany: my daughter is mila. she is 19 months old.

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>> welcome back to sunday night in america, he's weekend enjoy hearing from you via e-mail as is rated we love hearing what is on your mind command this week will look to the past. the president the future, starting with this question to mckay tray of northern virginia and the question i have for you, trey gowdy, as well as biggest difference between today's society and unite were young. >> i was a two things, the instant access to information and the unreliability of the institutions that unite once relied upon a goodbye spent a lot of time reading newspapers an encyclopedia putting in reader's digest to come in the mail no information is everywhere all of the time and

sometimes reliable and sometimes not and we figured out how to monetize that information by making the folks think the world is on fire every hour of every day and plus the sanctuaries of yesteryear are gone is not always happy a school but i was never scared of being killed. and then it did not always want to go to church but was out of braided being shot or assaulted by an adult movies were treat that reminder of mass shootings and it just seems that we cannot rely upon institutions or that safety the you and i grew up with annexes a question from john. >> trey gowdy this is john from massachusetts i wonder what historical event interest you the ball. >> i would be a lot but let's start with the battle of vermont and the soldiers going to battle they cannot went and where they could not afford to lose and so what motivates people, to willingly go to their own

deaths, for i higher purpose, what is important enough to know ahead of time from that you will die from the cause but not only do still go, you cannot wait to go i would also be interested in observing how someone big and off hitler could ever rise to power and inhabited my parents lifetime and so it was not ancient history. how can a country a population, embrace the systematic elimination of people read and this is staggering to us perhaps to them as well and yet it happening leslie question from nathan. >> i'm nathan from canada my question for you, trey gowdy, what's the biggest uncheck the box left on your bucket list. trey: two years ago i could've answer the question, quickly and i would even take my wife to israel so the bible she read to stanley good come to life and thankfully, we were able to go so i got to check that off. and beyond that, done things that i never dreamed i would

ever do the president to play augustine national met bono and martha mccalla and dana perino, and i watched her kids grow up and surprised every single school teacher that i ever had. meet amazing friendships and to me, there no unchecked boxes. i'm going to be able to afford a small little place near a quiet beach, from a light because she loves walking on the beach at sunset. that would require me winning the library so i am content. all of the boxes have been checked in him a question e-mail us at trey gowdy popstar, more, find is on my net trey gowdy american think you for spinning part of your sunday with us and i hope you have a great week ahead a good night from south carolina. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪