bronx, where biden won by 77 points. richie torres, the congressman from that district, is already on social media saying donald trump is the biggest threat to the bronx that's ever existed. it's like, i don't know how it's going to go, but people are going to be talking about it on thursday because it is going to be a sight. it's also amazing because his opponent is literally trying to put him in jail and bankrupt him right now, and he's actually just campaigning. i mean, they say going into the lion's den, the bronx is the lion's den, i don't know. he went there for a campaign stop after court not long ago, and he received a hero's welcome from crying children. he did. before we go, please don't forget to follow the big weekend show on fox, facebook and instagram at big weekend show. the big weekend. indeed. that does it for us. we will see you next week. and life, liberty and levin starts right now. i try. this is a fox news alert. i'm ashley

strohmier live in new york, iranian state media is reporting there are no signs of life seen at the crash site of a helicopter that was carrying president ebrahim raisi and others. news of ruiz's death comes nearly 15 hours after the helicopter crashed in a remote part of the country during dense fog. rescue efforts have been hampered by bad weather and tough terrain. a number of other top officials, including the country's foreign minister, were also on board. that chopper was heading back to the country's capital when it reportedly went down and this crash does come at a fraught moment in the middle east with the war raging in gaza and weeks after iran launched a drone and missile attack on israel. in response to a deadly strike on its diplomatic compound in damascus, hardliner raisi became president in an uncompetitive election in 2021. iran's supreme leader is stressing the business of iran's government will continue no matter what. under the iranian constitution. iran's

first vice president takes over if the president dies. so joining us now is matthew shoemaker, former intelligence officer with the defense intelligence agency. matthew, thanks for getting up with us or staying up with us early this monday morning. but i want to talk to you about the first vice president. do we know anything about him? oh, hey, ashley, thank you very much for having me on here. you know, right now, the way that i see things is that many in the american government alone will start to pull out all the files that they have on the first vice president of iran. not very much is certainly known about him amongst the wider public, especially in the west. so people are certainly going to be digging out information to see what exactly he believes, what he stands for and who he has as a power base. more than anything in iran. this certainly shakes up the way that the iranian government is going to be operating, at least over the next few months,

in particular now, just for your own, viewership understanding the main power in iran certainly stays with the ayatollah. he is the commander in chief. the ayatollah is the one that calls most of the major shots. so for the president to have died and as well as for the foreign minister to die, those are certainly a significant event in iranian history. but when it comes to the actual power base, iran, that still fits firmly with the 85 year old ayatollah khamenei, currently, you know, and that was you kind of said exactly. you took the words out of my mouth, you know, is this going to change anything with the iranian regime? it doesn't sound like it's going to. well, more than anything, you know, this really is a history changing event in, in the iranian, you know, public eye more than anything because president raisi was slated to succeed the 85 year old

ayatollah khamenei over the next few years, he was certainly earmarked for that position. he had amassed such a power base amongst the council of elders that selects the next ayatollah, and he was actually the head of that council before he was elected president three years ago. so he certainly was slated to be the next ayatollah himself. and, you know, at 63 years old, he could have reigned for a good 20 years or so if his health had allowed for it. so for him to have died in, in such a surprising way certainly shakes up. you know, the future of the iranian politics. you know, what about the timing of this, matthew, as far as you know, we had that drone strike a few weeks back and, you know, the war in gaza. i mean, the middle east is under a microscope right now. and now this happens. so what do you make of the timing of this? well the timing is certainly i don't think anyone

in the american or let alone the israeli government, is sad to see president rouhani go. he was actually a very brutal individual over the course of his almost entire life, going back all the way to the to the late 70s when he was a student. he actually participated in the protests and the riots that overthrew the previous iranian government and led to the 444 days of american hostages, so the timing of this is certainly not helpful for from the iranian perspective, from the israelis. i'm sure they're not sad to see him go, i don't foresee too much changing having said that, too much changing with regards to iran's position and their own activities in the region, because the power base still is with the ayatollah, he is the one that calls most of the major international shots. you know, being a former intelligence officer with the defense intelligence agency,

what what's the us intelligence agency doing right now? how are how are they involved in in researching this and looking into it? i mean, what are those steps look like? sure. absolutely so, so from a high level perspective, one of the first things that they're going to do, is, is as i mentioned before, they're going to start pulling all the files and all the intel that they have on the new, government that's going to end up being in place. the first vice president is going to take over, and he, along with the head of the judiciary and the head of the parliament, the speaker of the parliament, are going to essentially be in charge of the iranian government over the next few, 50 days. i believe it is when they will call for new elections for president. now, what the americans are probably doing is they are actually doing their job. and not only will they be starting to, pull all the information that they can, but they're also going to

be reaching out to their counterparts over in the united kingdom, over in france in particular, because they tend to have better relationships with the iranians and the americans have. so they're able to at least draw on that sort of, information. and that sort of, intel power that they can to try and glean what is going on in the iranian government right now. i'm sure that there's a flurry of activity that's going on behind the scenes. so the americans are going to be trying to use all of their, their, assets that they can. now, it happened to be on a sunday when most of the american government are off for the weekend. so those who are actually on the watch are certainly going to have their they're going to be calling up the, the assistance that they need and the, the backbone that they need to get the work done. so, so that's they're doing their best that they can i assume that, come, you know, six, 7:00 in the morning, if

not earlier, a number of people are going to have a lot of work to do in the american government to, to get a handle on what's going on. yeah. i mean, when you talk about the american government, our previous guests that we had, he said their weakness is our gain. or at least that's how it should be when it comes to, to the us and the biden administration. do you agree with that in terms of if the iranians are now at a weak point? it is it is our game in this sense. it is a bit of a zero sum game. so from that perspective, not not knowing the full context, i would imagine that that were the case at this point. it certainly presents a number of opportunities for the americans to affect change in the region or to try and influence the direction of things going forward, since it tends to be since iran itself tends to be a very difficult atmosphere to operate in from a from an intelligence perspective, it certainly will be difficult for the americans to do it too

overtly. they would have to rely on on other, more clandestine and, subversive tactics if they wanted to try and do that. do you think what's happening right now makes the middle east, in particular iran, look weak to the world? i don't think it necessarily makes them look weak, per se. it certainly it depends on what exactly was the cause of the crash itself, from the indications that i've seen in various reports, it it there seems to be some blame being laid at the point of the, the helicopters themselves are from the 1970s. from my understanding in that, maintenance of them is rather difficult. now, the iranians tend to be very good, actually at engineering because they've had so many sanctions slapped on them, you know, being able to do what they can with the limited resources that they have has certainly been impressive, at least from one perspective. but if the if the

helicopter crashed because of poor maintenance or just, you know, faults in the mechanic, it certainly is a black eye for the iranians themselves that they weren't able to protect their own president in their own heads of government. because of, you know, faulty, faulty mechanics that would certainly make them look weak and be embarrassing from that perspective. absolutely. well, when you talk about our adversaries like russia and north korea, what are your thoughts on on their course of action in responding to this? i know i mentioned earlier, if you just compare the news releases, the press releases that russia sent out versus the united states, you know, the biden administration. qian jean-pierre, she basically said they're they're monitoring the situation. whereas russia, on the other hand, hey, all hands on deck, whatever you need, what do you make of that? especially with those countries being our adversaries? sure. well, from the american reaction that seems to be part and parcel with the biden,

standard operating procedure, it's extremely reactionary, right. and from one perspective to say that they are monitoring the situation, it means they're at least from the, the, the, the upper echelons of the white house. they're just sitting back and they're waiting for events to unfold before they actually do anything. that's the information that i'm getting from from that, from them saying that they are just monitoring the situation. that's that's one thing from the russian perspective. the russians certainly have a vested interest in maintaining a very close relationship with the iranians. once the russians invaded ukraine two years ago, very few nations in the world came to the assistance of the russians there. iran was certainly one of them. and we've seen in in news reports over the past two years how the iranians supplied drones, munitions, what have you, to, to the russians contained almost, so the russians are

certainly keen on on keeping the iranians close by. and just from a geographic perspective alone, i mean, the russians are certainly, you know, they border iran. so they are in a much better position to actually assist in any recovery that the iranians might need. the north koreans, though i am less concerned about simply because the north koreans have a very, limited ability to assist the iranians in any meaningful time frame. if you remember, from about 4 or 5 years ago when president trump visited or met with, the north korean president, the north korean president had to borrow a chinese airplane just to get to, just to get to singapore, where they were meeting, so that that tells you certainly what the north korean capabilities are to, to assist in this sort of situation. so i believe that the russians would have a much better ability to, to affect things, more than anything else. okay. matthew

shoemaker, thank you so much for your time. this morning. we appreciate you. absolutely. thank you very much for having me on. you're welcome. joining us now is michael santos, foreign policy and national security expert and mideast expert. michael, thank you for sticking with us throughout all of this tonight, as you heard, just there i was talking to matthew about the first vice president of iran. do you know anything about him? i mean, i don't know a lot about his personal record because it was assumed until today that he wasn't very important, and i don't think it's probably going to change because you're going to have elections in 60 days, and there he is. they are figureheads at this point. how many? the supreme leader has all the power. but in a way, iran has devolved increasingly into a military dictatorship.

and a lot of the power is also in the iranian revolutionary guards. it's a very terroristic force. there are some radical factions with a little bit of luck that because of the incompetence that resulted in this, that it helps be one more straw that breaks the camel's back and brings down the terrible dictatorship that murders iranian people and poses a threat to the world through terrorism and helps iran. russia, as your last guest said, with drones and missiles that they're using to brutalize and terrorize ukraine and continue to persist in that, unprovoked aggression against ukraine, so if we're a little lucky, this will be the straw that breaks the back. and that could play out over months or a year or 2 or 3, if we're really unlucky, what will happen is because this discredits a religious government, the extreme factions, the revolutionary guards will double down. they will become even more repressive and brutal to their

own people and engage in even more foreign adventures. but iran is kind of overextended. they keep getting bombed by israel and syria because they have terrorist forces in syria. they're funding all these proxies, if you look at the crash, it was probably a factor of very poor judgment. the president foreign minister, was allowed to go in a helicopter in horrible, horrible weather. so our air force, for example, in our country and secret service would try to prevent the flight from happening. and the reason that they have such poor helicopters is they're literally waging a war with the united states through, you know, proxies and terrorists. and they've been doing this since the iranian revolution for 79, since 1979. and a lot of iranians, probably most of them are fed up with it. but it's the running people against a very brutal military force. that's why we need a little bit luck for this government to come down with really bad luck. we could have it become even more extreme. so you mentioned

israel, how's israel looking at this right now? this is this guy is a big terrorist. he openly supported, the october 7th atrocities. i do think this makes iran look weak. i mean, of course, unfortunately, tragically, this can happen anywhere in the world. but probably the general incompetence played into it. they've had a number of setbacks. they had a military clash with pakistan. obviously, they had the military clash with iran, with israel, which was, you know, thank god it was a kind of ended up being a joke on them. the israel intercepted everything, you know, it's hard not to celebrate this man who murdered so many iranians, who's known as the butcher of tehran, so i'm sure that, you know, the all israelis are far from sad about this. i mean, i he's a mass murderer and a terrorist, it will not in any short period of time change

iranian policy. and i think this election, which they have to do in 50 days, is kind of a headache. you have a new parliament now they have to do a new election and they don't know what their people are going to do because probably most of the people despise them . they might be able to keep them down. so i think this is a headache for iran, for the running, for the government and harmony and the iranian revolutionary guard, and it could cause a lot of stability in the country. so kind of distracts iran, which could be good for israel because it could help take off pressure from hezbollah and hamas, because they're not going to feel those terrorist groups are not going to feel fully confident for at least a few months that iran can focus to continue the support that they need to wage their terrorist campaign against israel and other american allies. you know, when we talk about the government and the leadership, it's obviously completely different than what we see here in america. and it's actually quite confusing, if you want to

be quite honest, when you talk about the vice, president, the second vice president and the supreme leader, but the foreign minister was also on that helicopter. and i'm just wondering if the loss of the foreign minister and the president, if that even really affects this iranian government, because they still had to answer to the supreme leader. yes. they don't really they're kind of figureheads. what made the president a little bit significant is that he was viewed as a likely possible, but maybe not certain, replacement for the supreme leader, because they're working on finding a replacement for the supreme leader who might not be in the best health, and certainly very old. what's interesting anecdote about the foreign minister is he was being interviewed a while ago, and he said he was talking to kerry, and that kerry told him the number of iranians who are terrorists, basically, and who are waging war against israel and syria, killed by israeli airstrikes and some people. and

he said he was shocked and some people i'm not personally a fan of kerry, but some people took it as kerry, revealing sensitive information. but when you bomb a country's forces, you expect the highest leaders to know that. and i think that what that particular anecdote revealed is the iranian foreign minister had no idea what was going on, iranian iranian terrorist forces, which are running revolutionary guard in syria, were constantly getting bombed by israel and self-defense because those are the guys supporting hamas and hezbollah and also potentially threatening to open up a new front and fire missiles at israel from syrian territory. and the foreign minister didn't even seem to know. so that shows how disconnected he is. he was a, i would say, a very malicious person because he was spewing out anti-american propaganda, basically, in, anti-semitic propaganda and

propaganda to support terrorists who are devoted to israel's destruction. he, you know, he was kind of reminiscent of propaganda and soviet propaganda to twist the truth, but he didn't really have power in the government. and he didn't really seem to even know what's going on. but their position officially, on paper, were both very high. and i think that iran looks really bad losing both of these major officials on paper, on the same day. and, you know, of course it could happen tragically in any country, even the most modern france, us, britain. but iran has just had so many setbacks. you know, they have trouble with power. they're running out of water. they have had major protests because they have murdered young women, because they're oppressive. they tried to fire at israel and all their missiles were shot down. they ended up in a

military clash with pakistan. people cannot afford their food or gasoline. people are fed up and now they can't even protect the president and foreign minister. so i think in a situation like this, this is when the people definitely see this as weakness internally, especially, and they see this as an incompetent government that that does not offer any hope of any economic opportunity. the people are facing horrific poverty and almost starvation at this point. so i think that is the significance of this, impact. but, you know, a brutal government like this could double down. unfortunately, they could become even more brutal. and it's a lot of common iranians against a heavily armed force internally. so, you know, i can't give like a rosy projection and say that, that this is going to play out good. however if you think

about dictatorships, even the soviet union, that collapsed, it can happen much faster than anyone foresees. okay, michael santo, thank you so much for your time once again this morning. we appreciate it. you're very welcome. and joining us now is kiron skinner. she's a fox news contributor and research fellow at the hoover institute. kiran, thanks for sticking with us, you know, talking to michael there, he was talking about this president raisi. you know, he backed the october 7th attack on israel. so how do you think israel is looking at this, israel is looking at it with a lot of caution and concern. iran, i don't think anyone's taking a victory lap because, in fact, if you look at iran closely, its economic woes that really persist and your previous guest talked about the crushing poverty in that country, never good, especially when combined with,

a lot of youth who are against the regime. and it's a, oppression, especially of young women. and that horrific case in 2022 under raisi, of the young woman who refused to wear the hijab and found herself dead, and then the protests, many of them were killed and just thousands upon thousands were injured, and then you add now the political uncertainty on top of the economic crisis and the unrest of a transition in power, this uncertainty and it can go in many different ways, but a more repressive regime at home and abroad and a more aggressive regime at home. and abroad is a possibility. so this is a shock, no one's taking a victory lap and it is, you know, just makes us realize iran is at the root of a lot of problems in the world. you

know, tonight i've been really thinking as a, as a professor about what's been happening on american college campuses and the pro-hamas activities, the pro-palestinian activities, and what's been really missing in the conversation is how important iran is to what hamas has been able to do. and so your previous guest just talked about what will hamas and hezbollah do? will they be a bit on notice for a few months, as a result of the political uncertainty within the country? the fact of the matter is, they wouldn't really exist without tehran, without the irgc, which, you know, is a terrorist organization in itself. so i just wish we had a more complete understanding of the role of iran in the very set of organizations and entities that

many of our young people and even our faculty have embraced in in recent months. and when you talk about that, you talk about the pro hamas pro demonstrators. yes right. and then, you know, earlier we were talking about why does iran matter? and i keep saying for the average american who is getting up or just so happens to turn the tv on at 224 on a monday morning, and they see that this, this breaking news is happening over in iran. and they wonder to themselves, why does this matter to me? why should it matter to me? tell him, well, i you know, i just we just talked about what's happening on our campuses, what's happening in american political institutions and political life around the october seventh attack. and this, you know, surprising turn towards, you know, pro-hamas activities. we've got to look at iran as the big minister, menacing nation in the region

and in the world. and it is a major supporter of terrorism. all over the world. that makes it important for americans its support of the houthis, of hamas, of hezbollah. and, you know, the fact that american servicemen and women have been attacked by iranian militias in iraq, in syria, this makes it relevant for americans as well. and the fact that since october 7th and, you know, the it's not just the gaza strip that's on fire, you've got, armed militias and proxies backed by iran being more aggressive in yemen, in iraq, and in lebanon. so places where the u.s. has deep interests in ties. so you know, this region marked by this country, i think is so important for u.s. security.

and when you talk about, you know, the issues we're seeing domestically, and then you couple it in with what's happening with israel and gaza and now iran. and, the timing of this, it's very interesting, wouldn't you say it is. and there's never a good time. i mean, there's never a good time for an abrupt political transition like we're about to face, in iran. so you know, but the fact that iran is it has its, hand on so many conflicts that matter for the united states in the world that israel, the closest ally of the united states, the key democracy in the middle east, is in a war largely backed by iran. you know, it was so disappointing for many of us when october 7th happened. and the biden administration stumbled around before it could finally say, iran is all over.

this conflict. and the fact of the matter, there's no october seventh without iran. and if anyone wants to say, why is this important for the united states and i'm waking up in the middle of the night and i'm listening to this conversation now, it's, you know, it's iran. it really does matter. but you know, there is some hope here in the past year, iran and saudi arabia reestablished diplomatic ties after having a rupture for, you know, almost, you know, ten years, less than ten years, but that's the diplomatic side. iran has not gotten a lot of economic and political steam out of reestablishing ties and its attempt, after, october 7th in particular, to, undo the diplomatic ties that six arab nations have with israel failed

, so it's not having the diplomatic steam, the political steam that i think it's wanted, in the broader middle east. and it still faces a lot of isolation, even though, you know, it's pushed itself out, especially through, through its proxies. you know, we were speaking earlier. i can't remember who it was that i was talking to about this, but they were talking about other domestic issues that we might potentially see here in america. and that was the potential of high gas prices, you never know when situations like this, when something happens in the middle east and there's all kinds of conflict. i mean, as you said, they've got their hand in all kinds of conflicts right now, you know, is that something that people should be concerned about here? we already have enough issues and we have enough problems in america. right now, especially, you know, just for the average american. is that something

that you foresee happening in i don't want to add to the stress of the average american or to any american right now. i think let's, you know, let's give this a little bit of time before we put this at the top of our, our list of, of, of things to worry about in the world. i think what we need to worry about with iran and what we actually need to do, let me put it a little bit differently, ashley, is that we really need to help, those in our universities and in our institutions understand the geopolitical chessboard a little bit better, maybe to understand it at all. and, you know, to look at hamas the way it's been described as a group of freedom fighters, you know, and, and to kind of disconnect them from the earth, from the iranian regime, it's just to misunderstand basic facts and to not understand 20 of 20th

century history which brought these organizations, to the forefront in the first place. and and, you know, i think tonight and the events of the last 24 hours, in iran, really to me, bring that forward more than some of the other, potential worrisome issues that you've mentioned domestically. so they could absolutely be important as well. and when you talk about our campuses, it's much different when you say you're pro hamas versus pro-palestine. those are two totally different things, and like you said, i just wish there was more of an understanding of, you know, what they're actually supporting, kyron, thank you so much again for your time and sticking with us throughout all this. we really appreciate it. thank you so much. of course, again, if you are just now joining us, iranian state media is reporting there are no signs of life seen at the crash site of a helicopter that was carrying president ibrahim raeesi and others. news of

reyes's death comes nearly 15 hours after the helicopter crashed in a remote part of the country during dense fog. rescue efforts have been hampered by bad weather and tough terrain. a number of other top officials. this includes the country's foreign minister, were also on board. the chopper was heading back to the country's capital when it reportedly went down. the crash comes at a fraught moment in the middle east, with the war raging in gaza and then weeks after iran launched that drone and missile attack on israel. in response to a deadly strike on its diplomatic compound in damascus. so iran's supreme leader is stressing the business of iran's government will continue to no matter what. and throughout the course of tonight, with some of these guests that i have spoken with, the foreign minister, and the president were both on that same helicopter when iranian state media said that it went

down and they confirmed that they they are dead and even though they are two leaders in that country, they still have to answer to the supreme leader and this president, who is now reportedly dead, according to iranian state media, said that he was he had aspirations to become the supreme leader. so it'll be interesting to see what transpires over the next 60 days. and of course, we will all be watching this and reporting on it as that information comes in, it'll also be interesting to see what the biden administration has to say about this. they said they are monitoring the situati

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back with the fox news alert. iranian state tv is reporting that a helicopter carrying iranian president ebrahim raisi had. what? they're calling a rough landing. we're getting some conflicting reports. it's unclear if there were any injuries, but rescue crews are reportedly on their way to the site, apparently having some difficulty because of weather. again, the info coming in is very preliminary. we will keep you updated here and on the fox news channel. well president biden will deliver the commencement speech at morehouse college this morning. we've got a live look at the campus in atlanta. you can see the president there on stage ahead of his remarks. the invitation from the hbcu did not come without backlash. some faculty and students did write a letter to the college's leadership asking them to rescind the information. the invitation over president biden's support of israel,

among other things. for more on this, let's go to lucas tomlinson to the white house. hey, lucas shannon, president biden just walked out to a polite applause at morehouse college, where he will be addressing the graduates soon. the historically black and all male school are two demographics. the president needs to win reelection in 2024. my opponent is not a good loser, but he is a loser. biden's speaking at a campaign event in atlanta ahead of the commencement address, where he is trying to reconnect with black voters after recent polls suggest some have left him for donald trump. according to swing state voters, biden has lost 28% of the black vote in the past four years. former president donald trump has seen a 15 point bump in atlanta, biden said the polls are not accurate. you hear about how you know we're behind in the polls. well, so far the polls haven't been right once, now, look, we're all we're either

tie or slightly ahead or slightly behind. some republicans think it's too late for the president to woo black voters. the problem is no speech. joe biden is going to give is going to change the fact that he is wrecked the economy for all americans. both of georgia's democratic senators greeted biden when he arrived. trump won the state in 2016, when it was represented by two republican senators. trump narrowly lost to biden in 2020. trump spent part of the weekend campaigning in minnesota, no longer a safe blue state, according to democratic congressman and former presidential candidate dean phillips. the conversations with center right, center left voters in minnesota are telling me regularly that they're shifting perspectives. i've been encouraging the biden campaign to really wake up to reality. president biden and former president trump have agreed to a pair of debates. the first one is next month, on june 27th. shannon all right, lucas reporting live at the white house. thank you. talk about

that with our sunday group, usa today white house correspondent francesca chambers. juan williams, fox news senior political analyst, former chief of staff to mitch mcconnell and co-host of the ruthless podcast josh holmes and mario parker. bloomberg managing editor for u.s. economy and government. all right. welcome everyone. i just want to put up a list of president biden's outreach this week to where he says he needs to shore up with black voters, radio interviews with black journalists and outlets, meetings with plaintiffs from brown v board and their families, remarks at an naacp event at the african american history museum saturday event in georgia. they say, was focused on engaging black voters. commencement. we're watching this morning at morehouse, and he'll head to detroit sunday night for the naacp freedom dinner. now from the biden-harris team. they say no other administration in modern history has delivered for black america in the way that joe biden and kamala harris have. we are not and we will not parachute into these communities at the last minute expecting their vote. but, mario, a lot of people say they're running the danger of that being the appearance of

these events, this week. yeah. we just heard the president say that the polls aren't correct. if anything, what you just ran down in terms of his schedule over the past week shows that he does believe the polls, given that they are a snapshot in time. the fact that he's done such extensive research shows that they believe the polls at this point. and just speaking with black voters, you can tell some of these things are true. inflation is at the root of it. that's led to frustration, exasperation and resignation. and now you're seeing them looking at trump as an alternative. and or just sitting out an election. and that's a problem for biden in places like atlanta, detroit, milwaukee and philadelphia. yeah. even if they don't feel like there's going to be crossover. and there has been some we'll put up some poll numbers, but it's also the issue of do people stay home? are they unmotivated. and to that point, politico talks about all these events we just outlined and says this. it leans heavily on a civil rights focus that might not be especially relevant to the young and politically unengaged voters who are dissatisfied with biden and flirting with other candidates. juan. well, i think that what you have to

understand is you're talking principally about young black men and, you know, if you really break it down, it's young, black men who haven't gone to college. and i think they're asking, you know, what's biden done for me now? these are, you know, low propensity voters. they typically don't pay attention until it's almost election day. and i think that it's the onus here is on the biden campaign. shannon they're they have the money to organize. they have a financial advantage over former president biden. i'm a former president trump. and so they have the money to organize. and they have a message to get out. i mean, you know, if you really stop and look, then it's pretty impressive in terms of unemployment being at a record low in the black community. you look at things like biden and the democrats fighting republicans on student debt, get out the vote on police, you know, holding police accountable for brutality in the aftermath of george floyd. these are real strong messages. but you have to be aggressive

and deliver the message. and i think that's what biden's been doing this weekend. so they're also going to unleash another $14 million ad blitz. they say, on top of what they've been doing, this is going to be specifically aimed at reaching voters of color in battleground states. and, josh, they're sending out congressman jim clyburn, who was a key to success for president biden back in 2020. yeah, obviously, he was responsible for him being nominated for the democratic party to begin with. but i think, look, i think the core of all of this and you just had the poll numbers up, there's a relatability issue that has emerged with joe biden. for anybody that's operating outside of assisted living at this point, it's whether it's the black community, the young community, generationally, this has become a massive problem. i think mario's entire entirely right in that the economy is sort of at the core of this. but his ability, you know, juan was talking about they need to aggressively make this case. i kind of agree, but i'm not sure that joe biden is capable of doing that at this point. he had this old sort of uncle joe, you know, we're just going to be a caretaker pitch in 2020. that's people sort of bought. you have four years of a record

now and four years of aging that we've seen sort of complicate all of that for the biden harris. that's why it's got to be a choice election for joe biden. he's got it. joe biden is like meatloaf and vanilla ice cream. you like it? but gee, i'm not excited by it. you know what i mean? so he's got he's got to say it. but look at the alternative menu. yeah look at this. and i do think that's a lot of what they've been saying is that this guy and they both say it is the threat to democracy. if you don't elect me. so i do think they're, you know, a lot of finger pointing there. but a couple more polls here. our new fox news poll support among biden for biden among key groups at the top of the list. we do have black voters where he's lost seven points since he was running in fall of 2020. new york times had its own polls out a few days a few days ago out and said this mr. trump wins more than 20% of black voters, a tally that would be the highest level of black support for any republican presidential candidate since the enactment of the civil rights act in 1964. francesca, how worried is the white house about this? do you agree with mario? they are looking at the

polls. well, biden actually in the same remarks that he said, he said he was looking at likely voters. so he's definitely doing his own deep dive on this polling. and he also said that georgia is the reason that he won the last election. so he's very well aware they had been putting out surrogates. now they've added to that. they have the president, the vice president hitting up these major battleground states. i was just in georgia a few weeks ago with vice president kamala harris, who is now focusing on the economy, launching an economic tour that's aimed at the black community. and shannon, i just want to say, when you look at those numbers for president biden, the new york times poll shows a much steeper drop off than even the fox news poll showed more than 20 points for joe biden among black voters. and to juan's point, primarily losing them in the non-college educated category. and that is very significant for him if he wants to win georgia in this election. okay. well, i have a few seconds. so i want to ask you guys, now that they've agreed to a couple of debates, who got the better end of this

deal because both sides are claiming victory. who thinks that president biden bested president trump and what they've agreed to so far? okay, juan, what about the rest of you? do you think that president trump has an edge because he got him to agree to debates? president trump has an edge. i mean, an incumbent president welcoming a debate three months early is a big deal. so do you want to vote quickly? the trump campaign wants to shift attention away from the trump trial. meanwhile, the biden campaign, they want to break through all of the logjam as well and create a moment for president biden. early on in this campaign, an early debate limited number of debates, friendly media and cnn. biden needs it more than trump. okay, i'm just going to say panel, you're brilliant. so don't go anywhere. we've got a wave of backlash to a commencement speech by a player for the reigning super bowl champs. we're going to dig intos

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only in the past few years that i have grown encouraged to speak more boldly and directly. because as i mentioned earlier, i have leaned into my vocation as a husband and father and as a man. kansas city chiefs kicker harrison butker, drawing criticism this week from some for his faith based views on social issues. we are back with our panel now to talk about it. huffington post, the opinion editor over there wrote it up this way. it was mansplaining couched in biblical texts, the way that most maga christians use the bible by taking the pieces that substantiate racism, sexism, and transphobe at face value and ignoring the bits about being a kind, decent person. where do we begin with this, look what i find so fascinating. i think it pertains to that clip that you just read. is that the same people who have such a problem with what harrison butler said, you know, largely pertaining to women in the workplace, that kind of thing are the same people who have a real soft spot for hamas and gaza protests on campus, which, you

know, there's some ideological inconsistency there. if you're concerned about the plight of women in in the world, i have a hard time getting worked up about commencement speeches. i'll be honest with you. i if a criteria was that you had to agree with everything they had to say, i'm not sure that any one of us would have ever been able to attend one. and i think if you look around the country as an awful lot of that going on, why the kicker from the kansas city chiefs is foremost amongst them is anybody's guess. well, and i went and watched the speech. it's 20 minutes. it is not long. you get much more context. i think if you do that, there was a point where he talks about his wife and her decision to be a homemaker, though she is also educated. he got very teary eyed and choked up, like emotional. had to stop when he was talking about her and the place went crazy with applause. so this is that audience. i mean, the audience there probably was mostly receptive, if not fully receptive to what he had to say. the wife of the chiefs owner, who's also the director of the chiefs women's organization, tavia hunt, didn't mention his name in instagram, but said this countless highly educated women devote their lives to nurturing

and guiding their children. someone disagreeing with you doesn't make them hateful, it simply means they have a different opinion. let's celebrate families, motherhood and fatherhood. francesca. why do you think this got so much backlash, so much attention? and by the way, women's, nfl jerseys with his name totally sold out. and last i checked, he's the number one selling jersey at nfl shop.com. well, and then the white house was asked about it this week as well. and karine jean-pierre for basically saying that biden, because he also criticized president joe biden, that was he did that was another subject of the speech on transgender rights as well as abortion rights. he suggested that he's a bad catholic in his comments as well. and so the white house then commented on this and said that biden isn't going to back down from his position. and the position on abortion rights in particular, resonated. and you also have to remember, even though he gave the speech in kansas, this is a state that in 2022 voted to reject an abortion rights ballot measure. so this is an issue that has largely favored democrats over the last couple of years. and that's where a lot of the focus, at least of the white

house and the biden campaign has been on this. i am not myself catholic, but, mario, i got to tell you, in watching the speech, i was stunned how much he went after catholic leadership and the bishops and called them out for what he felt was weakness during covid and all kinds of other things that didn't get any attention. but he he really went after the church as well. he did. and i should add, i went to benedictine university a year ago as well. but i am familiar, obviously with the benedictine teachings and values. i mean, he was taken to task. he did. to your point, shannon, take the test. the church and priests as well. but he was taken to task by the benedictine sisterhood, saying that this doesn't espouse the values of the of the denomination, that it's more about unity bringing people together than division. let me say i've given commencement addresses, and i think it should be about the students, and it should be about the parents. and clearly, mr. buttner was not that i mean, to my mind, i think he was telling it because it seemed like the theme he was trying to get to students is it is hard to stand

up as a religious person of faith. and i'm telling you, this is the time to do it. well, let me just say, if we want to talk in religious terms, can you imagine, shannon, if a muslim had stood up there and said things about a woman like that, it would have been a very different reaction in terms of the support from the conservative community for harris and buckner, they would have been outraged and you notice the nuns. the nuns are outraged. okay, let's drill down, though, on the women thing because he said, congratulations, everybody who's getting your education, your career may be the thing that you do. but he said, i'm guessing that many of you. what's even more exciting to you is motherhood and being a wife. it's possible your choice is good. but look, i, my wife, my daughter are college educated, graduate school educated people. if you say to them, you know, ideally your best life is, as a mom and a homemaker, they'd say, wait, that's not up to you. i'll make that decision. and we don't want you here at graduation to a group of women who have just worked hard, parents paid for their schooling to tell them, oh no, your happiness is in the

home. that's that's an insulting thing. all right, well, we will leave it there. by the way, i have a speech coming up. would you give mine for me? no, i like i want to hear a lot of pressure now on these speeches. i'll get with you. lean in. i'll get with you on a draft. okay. all right, everybody, thank you. panel we'll see you next sunday. up next, a look at how other commencement speakers are sending graduates off into the world with profound advice and sometimes a little levity. i will give you my three real keys to life. no jokes in this part. okay? they are number one. bust your. number two, pay attentionnumber three fall in l

objects to play? the quiz will fall. premieres tuesday, may 28th on fox. as you know, many college campuses have been in the spotlight for protests and chaos over the last several weeks. in the midst of these challenging times, commencement speakers are taking to graduation stages across the country to inspire, challenge and encourage the next generation. now you're graduating and challenging times, divided times. but so many things still bring us together as americans. our

constitution, our democracy, the rule of law, the new beyonce album. you faced challenges, particularly the pandemic, but you stayed the course and you are here more resilient, more focused, and more prepared to make the world a better place. respect the need to be something that could be very odd, not what is expected. be an allegiance with yourself. draw strength from what you have to offer. if you want to walk on the water. yeah, gotta get out of the boats and take some risks. none of us were born with a rag tag

on our big toe that says leaders. we're taught how to lead and make those around us better than us. you've all been educated to be leaders, not followers. don't do what everyone else tells you. don't do what everyone else does. think for yourself and decide what's right and wrong. in a world where ideas are are increasingly polarized and dissent is often met with hostility, never underestimate the power of your voice to spark change and challenge the status quo. i can't imagine how sick you are of hearing about following your passion. i say the hell with passion. find something you can do that would be great. if you try something and it doesn't work, that's okay too. that is so true. just keep trying. do you find the

right fit? you got to pay the bills, but it's good to have passion in your life too. all right. congrats again to all of the class of 2020 for okay. by the way a live look again as president biden prepares to deliver the commencement speech at morehouse college in atlanta this morning, the president of the university there says he will accept some protests. but if it gets out of hand and ruins the day for everyone, he will shut it down. so we'll keep an eye on that. see how that goes. and quick note that my podcast, livin the dream, drops today i sat down with former australian prime minister scott morrison this week we talked about his new book, plans for your good a prime minister's testimony of god's faithfulness, that is out on tuesday. his book, but the podcast out now anywhere you like to get your podcast. he will also join us on the show in a couple of weeks. that is it for us today. thanks for joining us. i'm shannon bream. have a wonderful week. we'll see you next fox news sunday. this is a fox news alert i'm ashley strohmier live in new york. iraan