good evening . welcome along to good evening. welcome along to neil oliver live on tv and on radio tonight. in the aftermath , the autumn budget of our politician and betrayed our country , we'll cross live to country, we'll cross live to ukraine to speak to this week's great britain lead of the disaster relief charity shelterbox, the helping ukrainians who have lost their homes at the hands of war will look at the atrocities in iran and reports of death sentences for the plus. there's an

exciting fossil discovery wales humanity is returning to the moon and. are we undergoing a crisis of . all of that and more crisis of. all of that and more coming up. but first, an update on the latest news from bethany elsey . neil, on the latest news from bethany elsey. neil, thank you. i am bethany elsie here to bring you up to date gb news the uk is its support for ukraine pledging up to date gb news the uk is its support for ukraine pledgin g £50 support for ukraine pledging £50 million package of air defence aid. prime minister rishi confirmed the move during an unannounced visit to kiev. he told president the uk will continue to stand with the as it continues to fight to end russia's barbarous . your homes russia's barbarous. your homes your hospitals. your stations are being destroyed by the air. so to help you defend yourselves, we today providing new air defence support

including 120 anti—air aircraft guns , radar and anti—drone . guns, radar and anti—drone. we're extending our training for the ukrainian armed forces to include specialist expertise from uk medics and engineers. and we are stepping up our support to help you through the cold, hard winter ahead . the cold, hard winter ahead. the chief executive of rochdale borough wide housing been sacked after a two year old boy died following prolonged exposure to mould . an inquest heard how the mould. an inquest heard how the parents alb ishak had made numerous to the council were simply told to paint over it. the council issued a statement saying it was no longer tenable for gareth swarbrick . stay on for gareth swarbrick. stay on the government welcomed the decision but says the board still has questions to . four men still has questions to. four men have been arrested as part of a significant police operation into paramilitary activity in belfast. detective superintendent andy hill says a

number of weapons and were seized during the searches. we found eight firearms a large quantity of assorted ammunition three pipe bombs which we suspect are viable balaclava viz and uvf emblems and flags east belfast uvf continues to be involved a range of paramilitary crime , including violence, crime, including violence, intimidation money laundering and drug dealing, causing harm to their own communities. fifa's president has defended the decision to host the world cup in qatar and tried to show empathy during a news conference today. i feel gay . today. i feel today. i feel gay. today. i feel disabled disabled . gianni disabled disabled. gianni infantino comments follow heavy criticism of doha's of migrant workers and people . he says he's workers and people. he says he's compassionate towards all groups. he accused the west of

hypocrisy , telling european hypocrisy, telling european nafions hypocrisy, telling european nations they a lot to answer for. i'm european, actually. i am . european not just i feel . am. european not just i feel. european i think for what we have been doing in the last 3000 years around , the world we years around, the world we should be apologising for the next thousand years . before next thousand years. before starting to give more lessons . starting to give more lessons. and in london, protests against , human rights abuses in both caphal , human rights abuses in both capital. and iran was staged on the eve of the world cup. a group of iranian women played football in to highlight gender inequality in their country and to call for an end to the islamic republic regime. chanted masha amin is name the 22 year old who died in custody after she was arrested for not wearing her hijab properly . protesters her hijab properly. protesters want the uk government to shut down the iranian embassy in

london . and north korea says london. and north korea says it's expelling eight in the creation of nuclear weapons to counter threats from washington . in counter threats from washington. in a new intercom open until ballistic missile being test fired after the country's leader warned of a fierce military response. kim jong un was also seen in public with his daughter for the first time, raising speculation . she could be speculation. she could be training for a leadership . training for a leadership. you're up to date on tv, online , dave, plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to . neil thanks, bethany . i keep waiting thanks, bethany. i keep waiting for the betrayal far that action

by the state against britain that finally pushes every last citizen of the country used to be britain into the grim realisation that those illegitimate are out to get us. the green agenda that guarantees impoverishment of the peoples of the west by pursuing the lie that wind and solar can take the place of gas and coal. the green agenda that pushes the palpable nonsense . those of us with nonsense. those of us with petrol and diesel today are meant to have elected cars tomorrow when all evidence makes plain that you and i are meant to be going nowhere while our self masters go anywhere and everywhere . the green agenda everywhere. the green agenda that invites us to think that net zero and the rest are about anything more. stealing our rights freedoms while rights and freedoms while further enriching the already rich. further enriching the already fich.the further enriching the already rich. the delegates cop 27 flying in private jets to luxury accommodation in egypt where they sat down to meals of accommodation in egypt where they sat down to meals 0 f £100 they sat down to meals of £100 octane cuts of prime abadi , octane cuts of prime abadi, angus beef foie gras , which is angus beef foie gras, which is the liver of force fed geese , the liver of force fed geese, salmon and sea bass and cream sauces while posing books to lecture us proles about carbon

emissions and the need to eat bugs and genetically modified . bugs and genetically modified. those delegates discussing plans to eviscerate the farming industry, to cut farming the world by anything up to half in a time of food insecurity. four millions. the blindingly realisation that these schemes are nothing to do with saving the planet, but merely the means to bankrupt the farmers and drive them off the land . so it drive them off the land. so it may be acquired by trans national corporations. the realisation that governments and physicians together oversaw the most disaster risk medical intervention in history that by setting aside first, do no harm and informed consent and opting instead ruinous lockdowns and coercion they took a bad situation and made it much worse. the revelation that those so—called were never even tested to . see if they would stop to. see if they would stop transmission of covid. they absolutely did not do thereby that all the government and media driven propaganda demanding submission the needle to save granny was a blatant lie. the revelation that those

medical products do not do not stop person contracting any virus . the realisation quite virus. the realisation quite simply expressed that those products making billions for big pharma do not work as. products making billions for big pharma do not work as . would it pharma do not work as. would it be soaring numbers of people dying from causes unrelated to covid? the dying from causes unrelated to covid.7 the people dying or suffering life altering consequences in.7 the aftermath of submitting to the jobs released only under the terms emergency use authorisation the number of otherwise healthy young people included dropping dead or being found dead in their beds. would it be the fact still all but forbidden to ask the so—called vaccines have anything to do with those excess deaths or the realisation that all the currencies in the world the pound, the dollar , the euro the pound, the dollar, the euro are no nothing more than ponzi schemes, fraudulent tricks doomed. ultimately to collapse and soon. and that ought to have put their operators in jail long ago.the put their operators in jail long ago. the news from the us that another ponzi scheme called fdx , a cryptocurrency exchange,

owned operated by a 30 year old wonder and has crashed, taking billions of dollars into oblivion tens billions of us dollars were sent by the biden administration to ukraine. ukraine invested some of that fdx then fdx donated $40 million to the democratic campaign for the mid—term . at what point does the mid—term. at what point does it become legitimate to ask if this was profiteering or money laundering? no collapse of fdx could potentially be seized upon by biden's administration as the excuse they were waiting for to pass legislation to take control of cryptocurrencies. killing two birds with one stone. anyone what about the knowledge that college dropout computer software salesman bill gates has more than a quarter of a million acres of farmland in the us for purposes unknown . or the daily purposes unknown. or the daily and nightly by denny's of tens of thousands of young men on britain's sure where they are free to hotels for free accommodation , money, free food accommodation, money, free food and access to all the gp and

dental appointments. you can't get all of at the taxpayers expense the knowledge that their arrival aided and abetted by serco , a company whose outgoing serco, a company whose outgoing chief executive rupert soames, grandson of winston , the wartime grandson of winston, the wartime leader, made a mortal by his vote to defend the beaches . or vote to defend the beaches. or the irony of , the fact that the irony of, the fact that serco has the contract for accommodation for those migrants that profit hugely by offering millions a time to hoteliers to sack their staff and turn their properties into hostels for those young men always , young those young men always, young men to realise in my eyes anyway , is that the british born and raised here have been put at the back of the queue. everything the taxes pay for , so that all the taxes pay for, so that all of those benefits can extended to new arrivals . the realisation to new arrivals. the realisation that the powers that be are intent on the morale and spirit of the british, transforming us into a compliant dependent, unquestioning hand , ready to unquestioning hand, ready to accept whatever indignity might be foisted upon us next. the threat of nuclear . dear god, the threat of nuclear. dear god, the existing initial threat we all

grew up feeling the last third of the 20th century. the are being invited to accept this somehow inevitable. if existence of every man woman and child apparently hanging in the amidst all the politics as the fighting drags on month after month and then vain as if all of that wasn't enough. look at the politics here . last week came politics here. last week came the financial statement from hunt, the chancellor of northern. except the markets that make our country's decisions for us . i listened to decisions for us. i listened to as much of his rubbish i could before i felt the gore dries in my throat. surely thought this utany my throat. surely thought this litany of contempt not jejune dreaming. obviously and downright patronising piffle with a weakened the slumbering sleepwalk aching masses to the no undeniable unmissable fact that those occupying great offices of state are working around the clock to break , and around the clock to break, and the british no help for the workers, no help pubs and restaurants, no help and only more heart for small of all sorts. no help for those who

generate the modest upon which everything in our society depends. everything in our society depends . those who received no depends. those who received no furlough , not a cent are to furlough, not a cent are to reach and empty pockets and pay for those that did. this is the equivalent of throwing a dinner party inviting some to enjoy all they can eat and then that those who watched from outside the restaurant hungry for the press the noses against the glass should know help foot the bill for food didn't eat this on its own is a graceless agreed scandal so—called bounce back loans are being reclaimed . bank loans are being reclaimed. bank accounts of those that received the furlough know that money out and won't be coming back and the same self—employed the hates of being ordered to pick up the tab. listen some of what hunt said . if you have the stomach said. if you have the stomach for it , it said. if you have the stomach for it, it also said. if you have the stomach for it , it also protects the for it, it also protects the vulnerable. because be british is to be compassionate . and this is to be compassionate. and this is to be compassionate. and this is a compassionate government .

is a compassionate government. he goes on. the bank england which has done an outstanding job since its independence , has job since its independence, has my wholehearted support and its mission to defeat inflation . and mission to defeat inflation. and itoday mission to defeat inflation. and i today confirm we will not its remit and then try swallowing this vomit inducing from hunt . this vomit inducing from hunt. finally, mr. speaker . i have finally, mr. speaker. i have talked a lot today about british values of compassion, hard work , dignity. fairness. there is no more british value than our commitment , protect and honour commitment, protect and honour those who built the country we live in. but british people are tough, inventive and resourceful. we have risen to challenges before. we are not immune to these headwinds. but with this for stability, growth and public services, we will face into the. end of quote . i face into the. end of quote. i hope that man has the gall to pronounce such disingenuous platitudes in public at such a time when millions are on their kneesis time when millions are on their knees is beyond me . time when millions are on their knees is beyond me. him and his parliamentary colleagues , the parliamentary colleagues, the people who put us here with polities, they kept pushing long

after anyone with half a brain see the disaster coming . the see the disaster coming. the conservative party has become the labour party has been for generations the enemy of those who would work all the hours to make something of themselves . make something of themselves. something they might raise their children with. and set them on the same aspirational road. governments of every stripe. hate and loathe . the hate and loathe. the self—employed. the entrepreneur . because by definition, those sovereign individuals do not need state what those people is for the state to get out of the way. and this latest iteration of state refuses to do that . on of state refuses to do that. on the contrary, they seek only to break the middling classes and have ask for help instead. what will it take? i ask before rest of this country awakens the realisation that we are being hard , being played and taken for hard, being played and taken for fools. what will it take? those citizens see that we have ourselves at the mercy of a criminal enterprise shaped only robots blind hobble all ambition and see to it that we are covid submissive with a hand out for a

few shekels from our self—proclaimed lords and masters . self—proclaimed lords and masters. here's the thing all of it stops when we see it stops. it doesn't require every one of us just enough of simply to realise that no is coming. no help is at hand. it's up to us. see these charlatans for what they are to disregard red, blue and every colour in between to turn our on them and work together to make something else, something decent. something that is ours . is ours. all of us my opinion, of course. and you're free. disagree. keep your tweets and emails coming all through the show. you email gb news at gb news uk. you can tweet me as well at gb news and i'll try to get to some of your comments later in the show if time allows. joining this evening is former army officer and defence analyst lieutenant colonel stuart crawford and

broadcaster and commentator cau. good evening to you both. evening narinder. i felt you a sense nodding at points there . i sense nodding at points there. i noted when you said what will it take for all of us to ? come to take for all of us to? come to the realisation. if people dunng the realisation. if people during covid and lockdown . what during covid and lockdown. what makes you think they will now ? makes you think they will now? they were sheep during lockdown they accepted everything. then they're accept budget they're going to accept budget now mustn't accept it. now and we mustn't accept it. but what can we do? people are submissive . what do you think ? i submissive. what do you think? i mean, in terms of what you just said. i mean, i touch base on some the issues with you and others probably slightly at variance which is which probably quite a good thing. definitely good. the particularly good. but the particularly on the agenda and i'm not one the green agenda and i'm not one hesitates to comment on on the climate crisis because immediately become a climate denier and everyone piles on and sometimes it's just not worth going to go. but but i do think that we need to question sort of accepted orthodoxy of the climate crisis. i there's no

doubt that the you know, the weather and the climate is changing. but is it a crisis or is it a people crisis? there are too many for the resources. i think so. interesting question. and then, of course, that can take you into eugenics. eugenics. when real trouble eugenics. and when real trouble if we go there. you know, some of the stuff i also think that the whole idea that they're sort of struggling middlemen the small entrepreneur and i've been self—employed for 20 years and you sometimes feel you don't really get a break from anybody . i mean, the big boys are fine and the people who don't want to work are fine. i think there's far too many unproductive people in this country depend doing on for few productive people in this country . there's too for few productive people in this country. there's too many people sat on the bums and there's very people working, paying there's very people working, paying their and supporting everyone . it doesn't seem fair. everyone. it doesn't seem fair. it fascinates me that into the government's of all stripe, it seems to me , do not like the seems to me, do not like the self—employed . it's beyond me.

self—employed. it's beyond me. but this is a tory government. they're supposed to like. we're going to have . to go to break. going to have. to go to break. talk about this all night. i get so annoyed. after the break, we'll joined by ex olympian we'll be joined by ex olympian and former conservative alex storey to discuss whether our politicians are betraying our country . don't go away .

welcome back to neil oliver. life now as i plain at the top of the programme. it's my belief mp is and their little are intent on the diminishing of britain in favour a centralised new world order over which we will have no see. my next guest is a former olympian and has more recently stood as candidate for the conservative is recently written in a national newspaper having come to the conclusion that our politicians are openly betraying britain. he joins me now. good evening. alex, are

there . me i can hear you. good there. me i can hear you. good to see . alex. they get right to see. alex. they get right into it. you've you have written into it. you've you have written in one of the articles and the end for politicians is the implementation of a new world with no borders a cultural , with no borders a cultural, cultural and income subject to the whims of increasingly and self—righteous , self—important, self—righteous, self—important, self—appointed revolutionaries . self—appointed revolutionaries. when did you realise this ? when when did you realise this? when did you start sensing this in the water ? well, it's an the water? well, it's an interesting one because i'm kind of happened a while back. i went to the games and i represented , to the games and i represented, the great olympic and eventually the great olympic and eventually the 20 tens, it became team gb and i went , the 20 tens, it became team gb and i went, what is team gb? is this thing called gb but it's great britain. why are we moving away? calling ourselves the great, the great british team that's , you know, that's a straw that's, you know, that's a straw in the wind for instance. but

it's very obvious . it kind of it it's very obvious. it kind of it felt to me that we were trying to hide away who. we were or we're trying to make the name great . we're trying to great britain. we're trying to move away it we're trying to be more modern , as it were, but more modern, as it were, but i've been involved in the you know, in politics for a long, long time. and it seemed me that there were lots of things that were happening that never really were happening that never really were there or that were never implemented to help the common man in our country. there were because there was there were trying to follow an abstraction. so our politicians seemed to be and not just politicians, also bureaucrats and lot of people in the corporate sector seem attracted to abstract ideas and theories that they feel might be plausible. and they're very keen on imposing them on a very complex reality . and the people complex reality. and the people who are the core of the resistance , the applications of resistance, the applications of these theories are the people of

britain who keep saying, actually, we don't want to be experimented on. we want to live our lives as . they have been and our lives as. they have been and as we have for we don't want to be we don't want to change that. you want to force on us and so as as time went on i realised that the, the, the, the elites of our country seem intent on imposing something on us that we never demanded we become the problem because . we refuse to problem because. we refuse to accept the tenets of the theories absolutely feels to me like an existential crisis . it like an existential crisis. it feels that we're being led by people and the opposition as being the same or worse who don't believe in the continued existence of the britain we have known . it's as though that that known. it's as though that that which we have known and that which we have known and that which most us still love and care . that's all being set aside care. that's all being set aside in pursuit of. as you see an abstruse section. at what do elected officials and rest

decide that they do not represent but that they know better ? university really better? university really obvious conclusion come to and that's i mean i've been listening what you've been saying for a long time and you know what's really heartwarming is that there is a place where people like can exchange people like us can exchange ideas , make sure that regardless ideas, make sure that regardless of our political backgrounds, we can to the conclusion that we have, we by an elite that is essentially , as i call them, essentially, as i call them, anti—human . and there is a broad anti—human. and there is a broad mass of people who represent the human . and the human side human side. and the human side operates in the world of emotions, of relations, of communities, of culture, of language of inherited rights . language of inherited rights. and you have a an anti—human, very small group of very powerful people who that this complexity is somehow old fashioned and it needs to be rational . and these people find rational. and these people find their roots in the french

revolution and they find their roots in marxism , find their roots in marxism, find their roots in marxism, find their roots at roots in national socialism essentially . these are socialism essentially. these are people who want to impose their worldview on the reluctant people . and the problem is that people. and the problem is that these people who used to be, you know, banging the drums , ringing know, banging the drums, ringing the bells perhaps 50 years ago saying that the world end of the world is my we used to laugh at them, but these people now in positions of power and they on making sure that use them their view of the world to change world and we somehow have to come together and realise these people are serious they're kind of people . they are not people of people. they are not people can be reasoned with because they believe that you and i are wrong and they are absolutely utterly convinced that their view the world is the right one and they know what the future holds and it's actually existential because we have people in power who refuse to root to see our humanity and they that our humanity is , the

they that our humanity is, the issue and the problem . and when issue and the problem. and when you see religious people, you know , not talking here about any know, not talking here about any of the traditional religions, you're talking the religiosity with which the prosecute ideology that they have cobbled together from from neo communism and all of the rest of it. and i also you highlight in some of writing the breakdown of the family and along side the impact genden family and along side the impact gender, politics and the complexities therein . how do we complexities therein. how do we turn this back? you know how do we confront this new religion thatis we confront this new religion that is , as you see, anti—human that is, as you see, anti—human anti the family and doesn't even accept the you know the traditional differences men and women . what's the i think like women. what's the i think like all these things we have to start with our own surroundings. i am married have four children. i'm married to the same women.

we have been will be in fact, next month will have been the 20th anniversary of our first meeting. but the important is to start with the people around us the commitments that we make to our loved ones . the we have to our loved ones. the we have to we have to create a very, very foundation in order to be able to rebuild what . elites are to rebuild what. elites are destroying . and so that starts destroying. and so that starts with us. it starts with you it starts with me. it starts with children. it means that we've got to spend more time with our children. we've got realise that the, the poison is being in our children early on at school we have to count, we have to provide the, the, the antidote to that and to that insanity and we have retrace our roots to where we came from. in other words, we came we have a 2000 year history. in fact, it goes much further than that. but our philosophic roots are very, very deep most people actually understand those roots because

they grew up with those . we've they grew up with those. we've got to make sure that people understand where we come from, we need understand history. we need to understand history. this with discussions like this comes with discussions like the ones that we're having at the ones that we're having at the moment. it needs reaching to people. means we need to people. it means we need to create a network of from the bottom up because the danger is coming from the top to the bottom and we need to be able to meet them and push back . alex meet them and push back. alex stewart i could, i could take on with you, but i'm going to have to move. this will also thank you very much for your contribution this evening and it's definitely a conversation we can up in the future we can pick up in the future thank you for now based on my pleasure not in that you literally about to asking the question and he answered it i was about to say how the middle ground but he can't be completely right they can completely right they can completely right they can completely right in the middle. let too. what about change is ? let too. what about change is? this will not meant for change . this will not meant for change. why does he want to keep that kind of thing ? why wouldn't

kind of thing? why wouldn't i want to keep? i want to keep i want to keep? i want to keep i want to keep family i to keep not getting rid of family families change know families without a doubt i think that the foundational connection that family is being undermined . do family is being undermined. do you think? yes, i absolutely do families be pliable why can't we be different? why can't change ? be different? why can't change? because you can have you can have variations , a theme. but have variations, a theme. but i think you have to recognise the primacy of the family and you know alex is talking about an anti human agenda and i think that i think as well that , you that i think as well that, you know, this whole idea of transhumanism , this whole this transhumanism, this whole this whole idea somehow in the future, merging the human and the machine is that's antithetical to me. i mean, do you feel betrayed by them, by the political will, by political class . yes. as a person i've class. yes. as a person i've been very lucky in life. and so i don't feel betrayed. i feel that i've been incredibly well provided for and unfortunate but

conscious of the fact that we elect political in all levels from local elections all the way up to national elections on a manifesto. and then they just completely ignore it because it seems me that rather than trying to implement change what they've tried to do keep their jobs. tried to do is keep their jobs. and me a lot of and it irritates me a lot of that happens. so and i've been reading up a thing called direct democracy now! direct democracy say, oh, you mean everything is decided by referendum. that'll never work . but direct democracy never work. but direct democracy is a spectrum and the important issues i don't know how you decide what the really important issues are but they to by if you like the electorate rather than what we have at the moment which you know a representative democracy where we elect people then they go off to do the like that's that's what i feel about it sometimes i. you for me it sometimes i. you see for me the political realm is, is compromised . there's no no compromised. there's no no difference , meaningful difference, meaningful difference, meaningful difference between left and right, red and blue of the any

of the any of the ideas that we do with government we had we had. i'm not sticking up it. but we had we had a pandemic and they've had to adapt to that. we've pandemic, we've had we've brexit pandemic, we've had so go wrong , they're so many things go wrong, they're just adapting the just adapting to the circumstance . it's the people at circumstance. it's the people at the top, as stuart are being they are being left just wanting to keep their jobs. they are being left just wanting to keep their jobs . so rather to keep theirjobs. so rather than let the just it feels as if they just get up every day look out the window see what we're the winds blowing and try to. well it's a bit like they well it's a bit like the they just want great vote surely just want the great vote surely at the very time of something like that's where like a pandemic now that's where you need somebody stand you need somebody to stand up and the front and be honest and from the front and be honest and from the front and you rather than never and see you rather than a never ending everything bad in westminster you should just look at the scottish parliament which is basically populated by a bunch of clapping seals who will buy if become clapping seals? why this country become clapping seals ? i don't know. i think seals? i don't know. i think there's a there's a there's a hesitancy about for many people

about speaking what they know to be true. you know if the every one of us knows the difference between right wrong, you know, whether we act or whether we choose right. she's wrong. everybody the difference everybody knows the difference between right and wrong. but people code people have been somehow code into not seeing what they know is look what happened. j.k. rowling. mean tough total rowling. yes. i mean tough total pile on. and so it becomes safer just to clap with whatever's coming laminated with coming off the laminated with this disease they . own it. i'm this disease they. own it. i'm going to have to move on again after another break. i'll be joined youtuber mahyar tousi joined by youtuber mahyar tousi .bnng joined by youtuber mahyar tousi . bring us up to speed on what's happening in iran. see you in minutes

welcome back to neil oliver live. social media was awash last week with claims iran had sentenced to death 15,000 people arrested for rebelling against the regime. canada's prime justin trudeau quoted , the justin trudeau quoted, the number in a tweet condemning the

news, later deleted it on the grounds . it news, later deleted it on the grounds. it had been based on incomplete reports . newsweek incomplete reports. newsweek initially said iranian government had voted overwhelming for the death penalty for rebels and later corrected the story . see it had corrected the story. see it had called only for harsh penalties. well, that means meanwhile today , the foreign secretary james cleverly iran of spreading blood and destruction while speaking at a security summit in bahrain. joining now to discuss the story and to update us on events in iran is youtuber commentator mahyar tousi maia. hi. thanks for coming again. thanks for having me. so running a story, this one, obviously. what is the truth ? it as you see it truth? it as you see it regarding what was being reported last . regarding what was being reported last. i'm glad you said the perfect it's incomplete reporting so initially it was reported whole 15,000 and they've all been sentenced to death. then the reaction was and it's all fake news but it's not fake news. they basically and they're legalising the mechanism

to do it. they essentially they're legalising crime via their parliament which just by their parliament which just by the way, it's unnecessary for them because it's dictatorial. don't need to go through the parliament. but the main point of it is that it's not the 15,000 individuals. it's the mechanism to be able to do it whenever they want with whoever they want, even anybody gets arrested or tomorrow . and arrested today or tomorrow. and so the fear. and in my so that's the fear. and in my problem that because was problem is that because was debunked people my worry is that people are going to they say not take it seriously, but they're still people every still going to kill people every single day. so you think that those those death penalties are going to be followed through with and not i don't think every single one of them, but they will doing so many of i think will be doing so many of i think that to be they that they're going to be they are executing a number are and executing a number people now. but i think that no this i mean the last time we spoke you very spoke and you were very confident that this rebellion was was was going forthright and it was strong . and now suddenly it was strong. and now suddenly it was strong. and now suddenly it seems to have gone backwards and they've gained and they can

do what you what you're saying that they're going to do. is this. this really true ? so this. is this really true? so that's thing. so the way that's the thing. so the way i would say, you said it is exactly what they. they created this scenario us to divide this scenario for us to divide the to make us that they the 15,000, to make us that they are winning back again. they're not completely lost not they've completely lost control and yesterday and today they and number of city they did. and number of city halls been taken over and all their dissenters have been taken over the home of the original the ayatollah supreme leader and has been destroyed. yes, they set fire it. and so and they then move freely. so that's actually happened . actually, we actually happened. actually, we don't even see that on the news on my youtube channel. the longer the longer this goes on with with a record conclusion. yeah. does that favour the regime or does it favour the rebellion that the generation of this, this uncertainty in past it will used to favour the regime because all they had to do was just let them protest for a bit shoot a few people and people used to run away because persians and iranians, they're

not revolutionary people by nature they've nature but this time they've lost their and every single day even now as i said you don't really many security forces out there are like 5 to 10 each area they're still shooting and killing. but at this point you would them to like like would expect them to like like soldiers, of diminished soldiers, hundreds of diminished area can ask. area but they're not. can ask. i've the death lady i've called the death lady question that serious. seriously looking at the possibility of regime change. yes, seriously. for this uprising is different to the other ones because unified behind one goal is regime change and essentially a restoration of the constitution as that's helping them is no longer about their protest for rights or some sort of rigged or anything like that. they've lost their fear. because this is not for just freedom, but combined with the it's a cost of living crisis. times hundred revolutions , everyone from the revolutions, everyone from the poor to the rich and from the religious people who used to support regime by default. they've come out and that's they've all come out and that's what we've seen so many defections from police force defections from the police force and forces to the and security forces to the rebellion. is it it having is

rebellion. is it is it having is it resonating beyond iran's borders? what the neighbours seeing and how are they responding? well, one group who are not too happy about this is the taliban because the women in afghanistan also using afghanistan have also out using the slogans the same the same slogans the same chants, woman, life, freedom . chants, a woman, life, freedom. they oh, my goodness . they really oh, my goodness. yeah. but unfortunately , the yeah. but unfortunately, the women in afghanistan, it's a lot harder because they're they're not many them in terms of protesting and that they're taking a slower they're just protesting the hijab protesting against the hijab thing afghanistan and the thing in afghanistan and the taliban pr taliban don't care about pr they're coming beating up they're coming out beating up everybody. so that might not get anywhere. iran changes, anywhere. but if iran changes, domino definitely. straw domino effect, definitely. straw natalie, pray if the women are doing in afghanistan feel that they the villages in afghanistan they the villages in afghanistan they know the women are actually for the taliban. it's more in the city i'm not sure there's a few them. that's the thing. that's why it's not going to get anywhere. yeah. you know that there's a is a tiny minded who are brave but they don't they don't have a not a movement. unfortunately you is there in of

media coverage for your liking for no, not really. i have for iran. no, not really. i have to learn by youtube . i didn't to learn by youtube. i didn't learn otherwise. i don't see it. well, i guess one of the things is that now that it's been going for more than a 60 days, 70 days, it's been a while. and initially no attention initially there was no attention and excuse the likes of the and the excuse the likes of the bbc was sky high it was well, we don't have a reporter on ground. you could easily get sources like any other channel, cnn coverit like any other channel, cnn cover it it's cover it more. it's embarrassing. now i think embarrassing. but now i think they're just going to wait for now an now. it's regular. it's an everyday situation. and if a big event happens , few ago event happens, a few weeks ago we evin , the political we had the evin, the political prisoners prison that was destroyed, that was in the for a bit. and so it will be covered when happens . but when something big happens. but i don't think we should wait for that. i'm interested that. you know. i'm interested by there that you by your reaction there that you were surprised by the possibility change possibility that regime change was it was in wind. yeah. i mean, i think know i'm a child of the overthrow of the shah in 1979 and then the and then the sort of repressed, if you like,

political ever since. political repression ever since. and seemed to that and it seemed to me that throughout that was throughout my life that was always the way going to always the way it was going to be. and think there have been some in past . you have some blips in the past. you have people oh, things be people said, oh, things might be changing is the first changing, but this is the first time i'm read what i've time that i'm read what i've read and seen. it's, oh, this might happen if because might really happen if because this is a movement by and mostly generation z and there's on the millennials who , unlike the millennials who, unlike the west, are all very silent and not snowflakes. and they they're one of chants they do one of the chants of they do slogans in the streets. they basically what two things they slogans in the streets. they basiyand what two things they slogans in the streets. they basiyand t01at two things they slogans in the streets. they basiyand to that no things they slogans in the streets. they basiyand to that the hings they slogans in the streets. they basiyand to that the last; they slogans in the streets. they basiyand to that the last shah say. and to that the last shah we sorry we're and to we are sorry we're sorry and to inqu we are sorry we're sorry and to insult say crown prince come back but also they say and are sorry to the nation for parents and grandparents, for them for their mistakes. but we are going be fixing it. it's quite interesting that it is. i've seen the footage of teenagers at school doing photographs of. yes. of bearded , you know, yes. of bearded, you know, stomping on them, which is. oh, that's really brave of boots. wow. my, my teenage son says millennials are a lost cause .

millennials are a lost cause. that, above all, in the west, the rise up and pop. and he said my generation by which he means the teenagers coming through he says of i've seen through the walk right now i don't know if that's true interesting that's true but it's interesting that's true but it's interesting that see yes it's that as you see yes it's youngsters as yeah in iran the younger i will be baffled if they see our younger generation so woke people in britain be doing to support this and to support if they're going to be telling people how could you watch what should i be government be doing like people in iran have been quite clear dunng in iran have been quite clear during uprising during this the uprising they they they want any more they say they want any more foreign intervention because of the last regime obviously installed by the cia and, france and a bit of britain obviously really intentionally they were that intention to make that the intention was to make sure they revolution is not sure that they revolution is not stolen soviet but then stolen by the soviet but then the the regime on this the moment the regime on this and ground they said death to america to britain. so america death to britain. so everyone didn't everyone was like oh that didn't work don't work so they they don't intervention want is intervention all they want is for people in the west to be their voice that's kind their voice that's all to kind of protests actually of cover the protests actually they're going in solidarity and all that's. mahyar tousi, thank

you and coming back you so much. and coming back and keep us up to date keep keeping us up to date because this is a story that fascinates i think should she televise the world opponent. thank you . after the break, it's thank you. after the break, it's time this week's great britain will be crossing live to ukraine. see in 2 minutes

on mark dolan's saturday night in from eight. we start with your video in the people's hour covering . several big topics covering. several big topics including is a labour government now inevitable or is having private medical insurance morally wrong? and is the world cup now tainted all in the company ? legendary actor and company? legendary actor and broadcaster christopher biggins from 9 pm. we've us news with the queen of america media kinsey schofield and my all star panel including , political panel including, political commentator and celebrity dad stanley johnson . see you then .

stanley johnson. see you then. welcome back to neil life, our great britain this week is presently in ukraine leading the response by uk based charity shelterbox shelter and other help for those who have lost their to the war. the russian invasion began nine months ago and now as winter advance , and now as winter advance, thousands of citizens are to suffer the consequences . the suffer the consequences. the fighting. rachel harvey from shelterbox is the city of chernihiv in ukraine and she joins me now. good evening . joins me now. good evening. thanks for joining joins me now. good evening. thanks forjoining us . my thanks forjoining us. my pleasure. thanks for having . no, pleasure. thanks for having. no, it's important i think in the in the midst of all the you forget that it's just the main it's happening to just regular people , you know , by circumstances you , you know, by circumstances you know unimaginable to most of us how many civilians have been made homeless or or otherwise displaced home in ukraine. well,

you're right, make that distinction, because there are people here that have to flee in the early months of , the war in the early months of, the war in particular, many of those became refugees and are settled in other countries across europe . other countries across europe. there were some also in ukraine who went further west where it was moderately safer. and then as frontlines of this war of shift east, they've now come back to come back to their homes, to check out their property . and then you've got a property. and then you've got a third group of people that left at all despite the fighting, despite the fear of the battles raging around them, they stayed put and in particular, that was some of the elderly or infirm who just couldn't move. you had people that were determined not to move, people that couldn't . to move, people that couldn't. now we're focusing on next project on those people who are living in damaged houses , in living in damaged houses, in particular those may be during the summer months . if you've got the summer months. if you've got a hole in your room for your windows blown out in the summer that's okay. you can make do .

that's okay. you can make do. but the first snows of winter have just started falling. we've dnven have just started falling. we've driven up from kyiv today to chernihiv and the road was thick, thick snow. it was pretty dodgy driving that some places to be honest with you the temperature here is down to zero. when we left kyiv the forecast overnight here is that temperatures will drop to minus eight. well, if you're in a house with hole in the roof and blown out windows , that's not blown out windows, that's not sustainable. long term at all. it's not just a case of feeling a bit chilly and uncomfortable that's potentially life threatening . so those are the threatening. so those are the people we're trying to help with our by patching up, our next project by patching up, giving, repair to patch up and seal those houses and then extremity like thermal blankets , winter clothes and crucially solar lights because as you've probably heard in the news , probably heard in the news, about 50% of ukraine is now without power because the recent wave of attacks have targeted power infrastructure . so these power infrastructure. so these things are mounting up. you've got no power, you've got no

heating. some cases there's no running water and the temperatures are plummeting . how temperatures are plummeting. how many people are you able to help us ? what is your reach it us? what is your reach it depends. this sounds , but it's depends. this sounds, but it's the reality of what we it depends how much money we have to do what we have do and we make judgements on the kind of aid package that we think will be of most benefit at the given . so in the first phase of our project, so in those immediate months, the real critical emergency phase , we supported emergency phase, we supported around 6000 people. this next project support 2000 house , also project support 2000 house, also 2000 families, but with a more substantial aid package. so what we're doing this time is providing some and hardware and tarpaulins that's to patch up roofs. we're also providing bafic roofs. we're also providing basic clear plastic sheeting , basic clear plastic sheeting, sealing foam. so you can seal up a window or door if necessary and some tools, things like nail

and some tools, things like nail and ceiling foam, then giving six thermal blankets, some winter clothing and in some cases where people need it needed, we're providing wood burning stoves and a supply of firewood . those we're actually firewood. those we're actually sourcing here ukraine because we felt it was important not only to support the local but also to provide type of stove that people are used to they're familiar with. so they're going to know how to how to use it, not think, well, what on earth is this we've introduced it's really, really that we make sure that our aid also culturally that our aid is also culturally makes sense for the context now in chernihiv is that purely where you'd be or are you people there specifically or is it just a base of operations from which, you know , we went through a you know, we went through a local partners here. so, yes , local partners here. so, yes, i'm here because this is where most of the aid for the next project is going to be distributed . we did that because distributed. we did that because through the coordination systems

and that is absolutely critical part of any emergency response that agencies actually work together and talk to each other because otherwise just have everyone trying to do the same thing in the place and all the places get forgotten. so, you know, would terrible . so know, that would be terrible. so this area that has shown this is an area that has shown up through needs assessment since that there are a number of houses, particularly in more areas and in the suburbs of the city where people living in those damaged houses , completely those damaged houses, completely destroyed houses , those are destroyed houses, those are going to need to be rebuilt . going to need to be rebuilt. obviously, nobody's living in them at the moment . so obviously, nobody's living in them at the moment. so our priority at the moment is to support people who are still living in houses. and there's a high proportion of them in this area , and that's why we've come area, and that's why we've come here. so i've been out today with our team and with our local partners looking some of those houses, looking at some of damage. so there was one elderly couple, for instance , the couple, for instance, the gentleman she told me, the lady was was over 80. she must have

beenin was was over 80. she must have been in her late seventies . been in her late seventies. lovely, wonderful woman . they lovely, wonderful woman. they have tried to patch up their windows best they can with some fairly flimsy material. it's already beginning to rip the roof at about, i'd say maybe three foot of snow on top of it . it's beginning to buckle. and she said is leaking. so those are the of people where you think, okay, actually tarpaulins, some masonry sealing up those windows properly . then up those windows properly. then you you make sure that the home is secure. the snow stays out, the heat stays in. that's what we're trying to do. then keep the house warm with the stove then we keep people warm then we keep the people warm with blankets clothes, then with blankets and clothes, then provide the solar lights. so we try to create that warmth and protection at those different levels . rachel, bear with me levels. rachel, bear with me while i involve my panellists, my guests , the studio this is my guests, the studio this is it's amazing to me that it's a , it's amazing to me that it's a, you know, a country of , modern you know, a country of, modern country that ukraine and it's come down to poland , you know, come down to poland, you know, to patch up roofs it's the it's the base it's the most basic

necessities that are absolutely true and the sad truth of the sort of conventional warfare that we're seeing in ukraine is that we're seeing in ukraine is that it's so always the innocent that it's so always the innocent that suffer the most many ways they may not be fighting on the front line, but you're old and infirm or you have a young family , it's incredibly family, it's incredibly difficult to just up sticks and go and in some cases impossible . and they are the older the people who from the cold and that's really desperate and it's that's really desperate and it's that as long as you don't worry too much about the aesthetics it you can make people secure or as secure as you can in the and hence the work that is being done here with the tarpaulins and the and the stoves is absolutely wonderful. i know this is going sound just awful. and rachel are doing a fantastic job and you are better than me because you're helping. but i can't help thinking this people , this country are going to be cold and freezing and they need

help and are we helping in the ukraine when we are suffering lot in this country? that's going to be a lot of old people freezing and choosing between eating or heating. and i know. i don't know. am i wrong ? be like don't know. am i wrong? be like this. it's a it's a fair this. no, it's a it's a fair point. we know that the point. and we know that the question are question people this country are on knees. yeah not in the on their knees. yeah not in the knees. no. shortly will be knees. no. they shortly will be and to watch, you know , and it is to watch, you know, you're helping man. there's monica that is something is a considered , isn't it, rachel? considered, isn't it, rachel? it's fair point it's not it's a fair point it's not a zero sum game, sadly. i mean , zero sum game, sadly. i mean, you know, we know there are cnses you know, we know there are crises all around the world, whether it's somalia, whether facing famine whether it's syria, whether still going through the aftermath of a conflict, whether it's where people are being displaced , people are being displaced, fighting in nigeria and we're operating in all those places . operating in all those places. you're absolutely right. we are completely and acutely aware of the economic constraints back home and the thing is, everybody needs help . and different needs help. and different charities do different things

shelterbox is speciality is to support those most vulnerable around the world who are facing emergency crises and tend to focus on places that are subject to conflict or major natural disasters earthquakes, tsunamis hurricanes, typhoons and so on. now we rely on donors. we rely on our supporters. we have a winter campaign going out. now we ask that anybody who can to please any pennies we can turn into pounds pounds, we can turn into pounds pounds, we can turn into aid . aid we can make a big into aid. aid we can make a big difference to people's lives. but if you can't afford to do that, of course, we that go out and fundraise maybe or just raise awareness about shelterbox tell people about them, but even so, if you feel you'd rather in your own community and you want to look after the lady next who's freezing and then fantastic. do work locally. what first? and if you can afford to

help us as well. fantastic as long as you're supporting other people we're in favour of that . people we're in favour of that. rachel, what was the reaction? well, while i have you to the to the rockets that landed and explore it and killed two people and understand it is a fairly brutal part ukraine. i was received reported and to where you are it's you know it's really we were here through that last big missile volley and had to go down into the bomb shelter wait until the all clear sounded you talk to ukrainians who've lived through nine months of war now and some of them have become quite complacent about it and that's probably not particularly healthy but you can maintain in your life living that heightened sense of awareness forever you can't sustain it so people affected it into their daily life it's become part of routine the air raid goes in you think

hmm should i go into the shelter or not? and most people still do . lot of people don't . you can . lot of people don't. you can get quite a lot of information on apps about what's going on. but really when you when you're talking to people they say at the moment , talking to people they say at the moment, as long as you're not by the front line, if you're right in, those eastern areas where the battles still raging, it be absolute terrifying it must be absolute terrifying for people where the battle moved on east. so where i am now this was a scene fierce fighting and we can see the of that where the houses have been destroyed the houses have been destroyed the shrapnel damage holes but the shrapnel damage holes but the fighting has moved on people here when talk to them say you know we're not of that anymore. we're not frightened of the war. we're not frightened of the war. we're not frightened of the war. we're not frightened of the missiles we're not frightened of the sirens. really the air raid sirens. what really scares now , is the scares us right now, is the cold. now, i said said the missiles come down and ukraine. of course i should have said poland. stewart what was you wrote about this in the week? yeah, i mean, think that yeah, i did. i mean, think that well, they're still talking about at the moment. i mean, i

accusation counter accusation excuse and all that sort of stuff it would appear from all the sources that in fact wasn't a russian missile, which fired at the at the power . there's a at the at the power. there's a power line that comes in very near where the missiles fell , near where the missiles fell, bringing power from the electricity from the eu into ukraine and thought they were going to have to i'm going to have to stop it. i've got to go into heartbreak here. harvey, thank you so for your contribution. best of luck and stay after the break, we're stay safe after the break, we're in the midst a crisis of in the midst of a crisis of masculinity. didn't know its masculinity. you didn't know its international mainstay. don't go away

welcome back . still to come in welcome back. still to come in the second hour of neil oliver. we'll discuss the effects of lockdown on children with parents . and researcherjulie

parents. and researcher julie cooke. parents. and researcher julie cooke . we'll be talking fossils cooke. we'll be talking fossils after an discovery in wales. yes i did mean it was exciting about fossils. we'll be joined by space expert loaned to hear how humanity will be returning to the moon and are we undergoing a crisis of masculinity . an crisis of masculinity. an international mainstay. we'll discuss why than a third of young men feel unfair, treated and forgotten by society. that's all to come. but first, let's get the latest news headlines from bethany elsey . neil. thank from bethany elsey. neil. thank you. good evening . i am bethany you. good evening. i am bethany elsie here to bring you up to from the gb newsroom. and we'll start with some breaking news from the last a man being held an centre in kent has died. the home office . the man arrived in home office. the man arrived in the uk as , part of a small boat the uk as, part of a small boat crossing last week and took ill the manston facility yesterday . the manston facility yesterday. the manston centre has come under scrutiny for poor conditions overcrowding

recently. post—mortem will take place to determine his cause of death . the uk is boosting death. the uk is boosting support for ukraine, pledging a million pound package of air defence aid. minister rishi sunak confirmed the move during an unannounced visit kyiv. he told president the uk will continue to stand with country as it fights to end russia's barbarous . war your homes, your barbarous. war your homes, your hospital , barbarous. war your homes, your hospital, your power stations are being destroyed by air. so to help you defend yourselves. we are today provide new air defence support . including 120 defence support. including 120 anti—aircraft guns , radar and anti—aircraft guns, radar and anti—drone . we're extending our anti—drone. we're extending our training for the ukrainian armed forces to include specialist expertise from uk medics and engineers and we are stepping up our support to you through the cold hard winter ahead . the cold hard winter ahead. the chief executive of rochdale

borough wide housing been sacked after . a two year old boy died after. a two year old boy died following exposure to mould . an following exposure to mould. an inquest heard how the parents of alb ishak had made complaints to the council but were simply told to over it. the council a statement saying it was no longer tenable for gareth swarbrick to. stay on. the government has welcomed the decision, but says the board still questions to answer . four still questions to answer. four men have been arrested as part of a significant police operation into paramilitary activity in belfast. detective chief andy hill says . a number chief andy hill says. a number of weapons and devices were seized during searches. we found eight firearms, a large quantity of assorted ammunition, three pipe of assorted ammunition, three pipe bombs, which we suspect viable balaclavas , and uvf viable balaclavas, and uvf emblems and flags. viable balaclavas, and uvf emblems and flags . east belfast emblems and flags. east belfast uvf continues to be involved . a uvf continues to be involved. a range of paramilitary crime , range of paramilitary crime, including violence, intimidation

and money laundering and drug dealing, causing harm to their own communities. fifa's president has defended decision to host the world cup in, qatar, and trying to show. during a news conference today i feel gay . to news conference today i feel gay. to infantino comments fellow heavy criticism of doha's treatment of migrant workers and lgbtq. he says he's compassionate towards all groups . he also accused the all groups. he also accused the west of hypocrisy, telling european nations they have a lot to answer for europe today on tv onune to answer for europe today on tv online in derby plus radio. this is gb news. now let's get back to .

to. neil welcome back to neil oliver live. today is international women's day dedicated to highlighting the need positive male role models focusing on men's mental physical health and generally celebrating the positive contributions men make to society . we should probably to society. we should probably be talking about men's mental health more than one day a year given that suicide is the biggest cause of death of men under the age of 50 and three quarters of deaths from suicide every year are men. a poll found more than a third of young men feel unfairly treated and forgotten by society . forgotten by society. masculinity is under. talk of toxic masculinity having long since entered the mainstream as though it was an established fact that being male is nothing bad news. my next guest is mark bnggs bad news. my next guest is mark briggs. policy on male wellbeing and. hello mark. hello. hi. how long this. we call it a crisis masculinity been going on. when

did main start worrying about being. well, i think. i think the main issue was around late seventies when traditional jobs the men used to do started to actually go. we saw that in recession in the late seventies eighties and that kind of difference and changing work environment has led gradually to this change in role . also we've this change in role. also we've seen welcome in in women in the workplace and been really successful we all support. so kind of men are starting of hat to start to try and find their place in the world not only in terms of their role in the family but also their at work and this has led to problems. there is another crisis around this is also about the political inactivity to actually trying to redress these issues. so men are facing problems from society . facing problems from society. now let's change policy a lack of inaction by the government

and others to actually try solve this. we seem to have got very confused our species here in this of the world about men and women . you know i do wonder women. you know i do wonder extent to which you know the way that both sexes have talked about know is making people uncertain about what they're supposed to be and what they're supposed to be and what they're supposed to be and what they're supposed to do in a completely unnecessary and unhelpful way that things could simpler. well, the general narrative nowadays is the women have problems and all men are problems . and this all men are problems. and this comes down to the way the boys are socially socialised. and i've thought choosing the school system is more about wagging finger rather than a helping hand. finger rather than a helping hand . my son finger rather than a helping hand. my son is 17 and he i asked him about and he said, it's the girls at school have all the say voice, everything. and he goes , we're silenced. and and he goes, we're silenced. and because we don't want to say things, we feel wrong for sending, the girls need to have

everything. so their voices are silenced . but it's scary. i felt silenced. but it's scary. i felt sorry for. i feel sorry for, boys. stuart, what if you were ? boys. stuart, what if you were? i mean, i think all these all these stories and subject are extremely interesting and valid. i mean, i'm a generation, the old fashioned generation that was brought up, brought up by a very feminist and determined woman, you know, scottish mother of which, you know, there's nothing nothing that's frightening. as a scottish mother is the lieutenant got. no, no, no, no, no. she was she was not scary. scary in a compassionate way . but was not scary. scary in a compassionate way. but i think that i was brought up in that sort of traditional thing where where where men were brought up to have a in the home and people to have a in the home and people to women and perhaps deferential to women and perhaps deferential to women and a good mannered way. and i think latterly . but way. and i think latterly. but when simple things opening a door to let the lady through most women and girls will say thank you. occasionally you the i can do that myself thank you

and you think oh i'd never do that i never men do things for me . i mean, another thing like me. i mean, another thing like walking down the outside of the pavement, if i walk pavement pavement, if i walk the pavement with mum the wrong side with my mum on the wrong side to the around ear . the clip me around the ear. yeah. you mean the wrong yeah. what do you mean the wrong side put the side. you put the you put the lady to the inside of the traffic. i mean that your sort of not so nice. yeah. so you that gets clipped by but ultimately what is be done. i mean i know there's always talk about people encouraging men to talk about feelings but i often wonder if that is the solution . wonder if that is the solution. 100% of men who are unhappy i don't know that it's always just talking. that is solution isn't always the important thing is the more men are talking there's lots more great groups like our demands clubs uk sheds, lots of other organised nations really starting where men talk shoulder to shoulder to them. but the key is that we place response ability of men police aside t and our public services to

listen and that is the that is the real challenge because we are finding that far too many men are taking their own life. why that. far too many boys not doing well at school. why that? we've got 84,000 men in prison in the uk right now and we need to find out what is causing that rather than focusing on the fact that it must be men's fault because this something inherently wrong with men of masculinity is a class. inherently wrong with men of masculinity is a class . well, masculinity is a class. well, that certainly when it comes to education , there is an issue education, there is an issue about white working class boys, for example who are at the bottom of the pile. and there's the whole issue about what their expectations are whether they encouraged enough to read, whether there's not enough fathers in the house is. why is that why is it that you know you would have thought that culturally and traditionally you know coming from working class talk i mean apart from anything else it used to be synonymous

with family and taking care of one another. you know, there might not be much in the way of material resources. it was synonymous with warmth and closeness. it sticking together and all of that . so involved we and all of that. so involved we have those kind bonds being dissolved so that the men are feeling icily dated and boys not doing well at school . well, doing well at school. well, that's one of the issues that we need to find out. why? because, boys have been behind girls for the last years, 30 years. it's co i mean it's kind of changed so it used to be boys were doing better . you get to the point now better. you get to the point now every year 36,000 fewer 18 year old boys go to university than girls and they're from government figures. but what we and other organisations vast for is the government to start looking why that is a and what we're going to do about same more men's health same with regard to suicide domestic abuse and other issues . but it seems

and other issues. but it seems to be the government seems to be just in fear and actually wanting to do anything about why are they frozen in. well, i fear that they feel that there will be a backlash . certain other be a backlash. certain other groups and in in society that feel that actually the sole focus be on women the issue is we should be focusing on the barriers women and girls face and barriers that men and boys face isn't it stewart isn't it so destroy pressing and depressing to think that general of young males are coming up in our society feeling they have nothing to contribute ? and nothing to contribute? and that's because the male that's absolutely desperate, because what they should be, they should be arriving in society, if you like, thinking anything is possible , you know, if i work possible, you know, if i work harder, i'm good at this can get anywhere i like and to think you of it's as a born to fail is almost the phrase that comes to mind . people have just arrived mind. people have just arrived in the world and they've just

thought well, i'm you know, i'm just not going to go anywhere. i'm not sure about that. i'm not sure about that. i do feel that women are like son is free to women are like my son is free to go out and go to the shop and get what he needs to at 8:00. and my daughter is not to do that. i would not send my daughter by 8:00. not my son is free i'm always when free to do that. i'm always when you back into the you go back into this of the basics you almost like natural law . you know the idea really is law. you know the idea really is always was that a male provides always was that a male provides a safe space and within that safe space, the fair men and rule is creativity , you know, rule is creativity, you know, within within that safe space. and that by definition you need both you know, you absolutely need that dyad of the male female energy the male energy in the female in me we have we had our rules put out far. women have become into maybe masculine, but is that what you say? well, it's just that that combination of the male providing, a safe space and the family and the women being being

creative , that space works creative, that space works worked , you know, for thousands worked, you know, for thousands upon , thousands of years. and upon, thousands of years. and it's and ridiculed . and of it's and ridiculed. and of course, people should be free to go own way. but i think that there are basics that are standards which people can set themselves up , go their own way, themselves up, go their own way, but but to undermine the being male what future this species are. if half of the species is taught to think of itself as worthless with . that is the worthless with. that is the problem with the narrative i mean you talked about the phrase toxic . i mean you talked about the phrase toxic. i mean, mean you talked about the phrase toxic . i mean, not mean you talked about the phrase toxic. i mean, not is that wrong? because masculinity inherently toxic. this toxic men is toxic. women but also it really makes vulnerable men even more vulnerable because they're hardly to go to a service and talk to their friends and family if they're told that there's something inherently inside them , that means that they're wrong and. actually, there's nothing they can about it. so when you see phrases like that, that just

completely dangerous and wrong. and i've never heard anyone actually say what is non—toxic . actually say what is non—toxic. if you ask anyone, well, what's non—toxic? what is there say, i can't give you an answer , it's can't give you an answer, it's just masculinity. but that will you go round in that circle ? you go round in that circle? that's the problem. are things getting better or worse? i think i think things are starting the same. nothing's happening on schools. the suicide is still the same . 33 men die. prostate the same. 33 men die. prostate every every day . and the problem every every day. and the problem is, is that something does happen. is, is that something does happen . it will start to get happen. it will start to get worse and it's a worry if we go into into recession suicide rates for men always go up a couple of years after a recession. and that's why we, the government and others to start taking action. is that because feel that the responsibility is on for the money to provide some of that but also it leads to relationship breakdown financial worries. i think men have i feel sorry for my son. i can see for

his future. woe is too much pressure on him as i'm as a young man. do you some of these issues that we're discussing here do you them manifesting. yes i see my , son. and sometimes yes i see my, son. and sometimes i see what he wants to quite rightly call them because he thinks i'm young and thinks i'm a young of corn and he just can't express himself. but my daughters expressing this, given all that as she this, i've given all that as she should, i fear the young man should, but i fear the young man . but why do you feel sorry for them , do you think? why do you them, do you think? why do you think son is feeling? think your son is feeling? because he's because the silence think silence. they're think their silence. they're not allowed a because the allowed to have a because the woman's become woman's voice has become so strong but you're strong as it should. but you're right forget about right with. can't forget about men , especially with suicidal men, especially with suicidal rates going up. it's dreadful. it's worrying. yeah. the figures . the figures are staggering. i mean , fact that it's the if mean, fact that it's the if you're a male under 50 in britain, the you're most likely to die of. is that your own hand? and these are the same you used to say it was farmers that were risk was within that were most risk was within that because a lot of because they spent a lot of their time solitary grabs slowly men construction trades also

men in construction trades also men in construction trades also men in construction trades also men in men on farms also there's regional differences. so men in in the north—east of england as likely to take their own life than men in london. so like, well, i can use opportunity or a perception of less opportunity in the north—east. well this is one of the issues that there's a whole whole range of different types and aspects. but the reason money from the government or from universities studying in going in and to try and find out what is actually causing that and you know that's a real problem. i was reading i was reading something earlier as. well, there's, you know, just just to illustrate some of what's going on. don't if what's going on. i don't if you've it, there's you've got it, there's a painting by an a and an acclaimed dutch painter. there is . rendell acclaimed dutch painter. there is. rendell and it depicts all it depicts is members of the university board the seventies. but it's been taken down and it's you know, it's a very famous painting, very famous artist . and it showed a group of artist. and it showed a group of men for, people listening on radio, men sitting radio, a group of men sitting around but it's been

around a table. but it's been down after a female grad student complained this in leiden complained about this in leiden university in the netherlands. and one female ph.d. student, and usually on the grounds that it just depicts white still men mentally. and if we really to 90, mentally. and if we really to go, they just distort what's supposed to be seen anymore . supposed to be seen anymore. highborn exist are white, middle aged men just supposed to be in aged men just supposed to be in a cupboard somewhere? what was the whole phrase about? male power . i mean, you power and style. i mean, you know, i've been at but it's been said and i've said but it's racist. they just sexism all at the same time especially as i fell into that bracket it's just wrong exactly but that's why men still have you're still a majority you still have a lot of power. you don't have any discrimination . your colleagues, discrimination. your colleagues, you don't really. but some of something you're listening to, he that into something that's happening generations of young men are coming through that do you feel do okay and my question about going back to the painting is authorities is why did the authorities buckle to that ? why i mean, why

buckle to that? why i mean, why didn't you say it's just this is a painful part of the university. it's a painting . get university. it's a painting. get over it. yeah. oh it's just extraordinary , isn't it? yeah, extraordinary, isn't it? yeah, but think what i think. what? i want to break this. thank you very much for bringing that to us. fascinating stuff. heartbreaking well, so heartbreaking as well, but so important about so important to talk about it. so keep after the break. keep on keeping after the break. we're talking about the effects on children , the consequence of on children, the consequence of the lockdown lockdown .

hello and welcome back to neil oliver life. we be living with the consequences of lockdown for many, many years to come. all of that disruption , normal life, that disruption, normal life, the isolation, the anxiety and uncertainty , compulsory masks uncertainty, compulsory masks all took an awful toll. it clear, though, that it was our children who were worst affected, especially very young.

speech delays and physical development . behavioural issues development. behavioural issues school closures. interruption education. the list goes on. joining me now to discuss the harms experienced amongst her own daughter is author and researcher julia cooke . good researcherjulia cooke. good evening, julie. good evening. tell us, first of all, about what prompted you to do this, your own child. yeah my own daughter's. i've got two children. 113 and one nine. and my nine year old daughter was six when the pandemic when lockdown happened . before that, lockdown happened. before that, she was a very gregarious girl. she'd go up to anyone in a park on the beach. if we were by the sea, she'd go and make sandcastles with somebody. she talking and talking to other people. and within 10 minutes they'd best within 10 minutes they'd be best friends and cuddling and kissing. since so, kissing. tactile. since so, lockdown happened , just as an lockdown happened, just as an example, two weeks ago we were at the cinema and there was one space between us and another family. and my daughter said, are sit there? and are we allowed to sit there? and i said, yeah, it's fine, i said, well, yeah, it's fine, said the six, the six feet, the

two is that okay. and two metres. is that okay. and now she's nine, she's now this. she's nine, she's intelligent, she knows it's finished still finished. but there's still that. remnant of the that. yes, that remnant of the rules, the laws that we weren't allowed to break. and she still about that. another example is in a shopping centre. if walking around she's she doesn't like the crowds and before that it was a problem so i noticed my own daughter and then started researching for an article about other parents . it's so important other parents. it's so important because i've got i've got three. my youngest is 14. my eldest is 19, nearly 20 and a six year old son as well. and they've all been affected , i doubt, and been affected, i doubt, and perhaps my youngest, most for precisely the reasons really that you're talking about, you know, just went in deeper and he was, you know, more isolated. but i think it's true of it must be true of everyone it must be true of every family . every true of every family. every child impacted by this. child has been impacted by this. and i don't think it's being and almost all not to enough and all our children have taken a hiding

. exactly. and i think because when was looking into this and talking to other parents whether it's parents of very early years , media children or , children or media children or teenage children, every single one has noticed some kind of change , whether it's change, whether it's developmental. so in early speech delays , lack of empathy speech delays, lack of empathy because they've not mixing with other children . media is like my other children. media is like my daughter she's nine who are afraid go up to new people because they're not in your bubble they know these words as well bubble social distancing masks , all these words that were masks, all these words that were in there. lexi and that have stayed in their minds think much more than we realise . think it's more than we realise. think it's unforgivable . my children, my unforgivable. my children, my son was gcse age two years of education . he's missed and he education. he's missed and he was he was expected to sit is gcses without having had a single lesson the classroom yes and my daughter the same and they my daughter wants to stay in her room because she got used to two in la. i think it's unforgivable why it's been swept under the carpet . the effect on under the carpet. the effect on our children should be big our children should be made big a it's been muted.

a thing. except it's been muted. be about it and we be quiet about it and we shouldn't be quiet. i'm glad you've this article. yeah, you've done this article. yeah, and and think you you've done this article. yeah, and it's and think you you've done this article. yeah, and it's academic|ink you you've done this article. yeah, and it's academic things you you've done this article. yeah, and it's academic things as! said, it's academic things as well says like like your son wasn't going to school so . wasn't going to into school so. thatis wasn't going to into school so. that is a huge part of it and that particular cohort was really badly affected academically. but also the socialisation . so my daughter, socialisation. so my daughter, for example, is in the group she knows. but take her into a group she doesn't know and. there's that sort of reticence and the fact that there was it was a law so i think children are very black and white know if you say you're naughty or bad, then they remember that. and if something's ingrained in law, don't that. go don't touch that. don't go within six feet of that person. children it's very hard for them to and switch it to forget that. and switch it around. legal now . it's around. it's legal now. it's okay. . it, okay. this is profound. it, stuart, when you listen to this and be your own and you'll be sharing your own circle . absolutely. i mean, my circle. absolutely. i mean, my kids are older than you because i probably have. they're older as well . but discuss that with as well. but i discuss that with with them and i think the thing that they mentioned most of all

is the whole of two year swathe has been cut out of children school from them taken away them and the important aspects of going to school and interacting with other pupils is a fundamental of the whole education process. my yeah. and to do off a screen in your bedroom for years. oh it was dreadful sort of it was just and you don't find as well when you, when you talk to people and you're just your own about, you know, you casually bump into neighbours and, and people that you are part of your world you know are part of your world and you how kids and and you see how other kids and everyone , oh, they're everyone just says, oh, they're fine, you know, everything's okay, you actually engage okay, but you actually engage them in a conversation everyone has something actually when has got something actually when you a little bit beneath the you dig a little bit beneath the surface about surface got testimony about a change they've seen an obstacle in the kids way things they missed on everyone's going to fault the parents because what my children found was as parents we told them go against the we told them to go against the grain not going i know grain no not going to i know you're not to do this. no

you're not going to do this. no we do not accept that. so they were would go to school and were they would go to school and actually get it's parents. actually get into it's parents. oh, they're the parents that don't another don't listen. that's another kind was a my went kind of stress. it was a my went through on top of it through that stress on top of it we kind of want them to think that this was normal. yeah yeah i think i think that's the trouble that it was a new normality wasn't it wasn't a normality wasn't it wasn't a normality but we told it should be. and because i said when children are at that that children are at that age that sponges they're very sponges and they're very susceptible , the things tell susceptible, the things we tell them. as said if say them. and as i said if you say something illegal, them. and as i said if you say something illegal , for something is illegal, for example, that story of example, there was that story of that couple of girls who were arrested think drinking arrested. think for drinking coffee something coffee in public or something very early or something about living somewhere. my daughter was in the room when. we were talking it was on talking about that and it was on the said, so you're the news and said, so you're not allowed mummy and allowed do that now, mummy and this this world shrunk and became you can't do this. became this. you can't do this. you can't do that. it takes an anxiety. 24 isn't it. really. yeah and i think we can't, i think we're naive if we think they'll it. i was they'll just get over it. i was really, was so frustrate it in really, i was so frustrate it in with listening to one commentator another commentator after another say that are resilient. well

children are resilient that's how they that's how they manage to survive adulthood but to survive into adulthood but that's a licence to stress that's not a licence to stress test destruction. yeah test them to destruction. yeah yeah exactly. exactly. and i think they are always they've been guinea pigs , a kind of been guinea pigs, a kind of experiment we to experiment almost. and we get to see. right. i mean psychologically there are for the very young, you know, suffering coming in toddlers and, you know, pre—school that are developed mental landmarks, if don't hit in terms of your social position with other children learning to play you know , almost like puppies or know, almost like puppies or kittens playing, you know, it's when kids are in rough and tumble that they become , you tumble that they become, you know, citizens because they're socialised by one another. and if you don't hit those, see, by at the age of four, you might never. at the age of four, you might never . yeah and that those never. yeah and that those things that you missed out on the it can't get back this this study that i sort of looked into was actually an ofsted report that only into early that was only into the early years the sort of 2 to years so it was the sort of 2 to 4 year olds and they looked at 70 setting they found that

70 setting and they found that in many settings children weren't able to mimic facial expressions they'd only ever seen people behind them on, or they couldn't when someone was happy sad. they couldn't when someone was happy sad . and as you rightly happy or sad. and as you rightly say, you don't get that early say, if you don't get that early on, it's hard for us on, it's very hard for us to expect them to able to do expect them to be able to do that in the mid childhood years . so someone close me a child with some speech challenges you know attending speech therapist when they could and the speech therapist would. i'm ask oh a speech therapy food or not. you know i mean you talk about it's not well that i think that's dreadful i mean the impact is that any evidence slightly older age cohort where the of examinations you know in scotland we if whatever it is these days and down here gcses and a—levels because they were marked differently and much teacher assessment put into the grading of that is there any evidence that those sets of results have less value than

those to which were examined under more traditional circumstances? we don't know that. circumstances? we don't know that . i think circumstances? we don't know that. i think it would take time. i've got to come into effect. but i think you're right. there's a whole generation. but that group who don't how to do test do don't know how to do test do exams the exam setting, which exams in the exam setting, which in of art form, in itself is a kind of art form, isn't it? because you can be great on paper at home, but if you do that hour, you can't do in that one hour, it's another thing you've missed out knows? will out on. so who knows? time will tell. the school tell. i was from the school committee. well it was something about another lockdown, another time, working and time, the working class. and i said, need to protect said, we need to protect teachers. and i said, no. i said, we need protect our said, we need to protect our children enough my children i've had enough my children i've had enough my children , the lepers at school children, the lepers at school because a parent would because i as a parent would always back. it'sjust always fight back. it's just been! always fight back. it's just been i mean, the impact on all of is to be seen. we of this is yet to be seen. we need to i think don't to we it and it needs to be acknowledged rather than pretending didn't happen. i don't think this is one of those instances where you just, you know, walk it off. i think for the sake of the children that ought to be an acknowledgement that this has

happened them . yeah. happened to all of them. yeah. and it's you know, it's allowed this this the fact that we've put all of these human these little human beings back, you know, with regret, you should be able to gauge it actually having that, know, researchers that, you know, researchers should it and should be able to gauge it and say cohort was say well this cohort was absolutely two years later we had this and then two years after that, we had this little damage done. yeah, it damage is done. yeah, well, it is. you know, is. but at least, you know, you'll a handle on your form you'll get a handle on your form as you say, you're doing research. what it that you're research. what is it that you're producing. what is it that you're working just you're working towards? just an article for i for the article for i write for the newspapers writing an article on it and in the research as well as looking the studies. i was as looking at the studies. i was to parents so to other parents like me. so i my own example but also about the mothers and fathers who when do dig deeper they do as you say dig deeper they don't all right. don't say all things all right. they oh, well, so—and—so they say, oh, well, so—and—so used quick area as used to be really quick area as it now quite shy . so—and—so it is now quite shy. so—and—so prefers to stay in that room. it's like that. that's not right. these parents went right. do these parents went along they have along with it? do they have regret actually, edged regret? actually, this is edged our children . yes, i mean, some

our children. yes, i mean, some do. sometimes you it's do. sometimes you know it's like anything. say was anything. some still say it was for and you know, all for the good and you know, all of that. others say, no, i wish i had stood my ground. yeah it should more regrets because should have more regrets because more parents should get behind protecting our children. yeah, absolutely. cooper's absolutely. julie cooper's excellent. it's so important . as excellent. it's so important. as soon as i knew this topic was coming up, you know we were discussing and it. it people and one's a contribution make one's got a contribution to make and experienced it and everyone has experienced it directly their own children directly with their own children or they know. yeah it was or the or they know. yeah it was that of with. thank you for bringing that to our attention. thank you. got another break. our which we our hands now, after which we will about a targeted will find out about a targeted national initiative to reduce knife . don't go away .

hello and welcome back. this week, police around the uk have carried out operation a targeted national initiative to reduce knife crime by both engaging with the local communities and

cracking down on criminals who carry knives. the police are aiming make the uk a safer place to live. hallelujah. our north—west of england report . north—west of england report. our sophie ripper has this report report . a national crisis report report. a national crisis in the last decade. knife crime in the last decade. knife crime in england and wales has increased by 48. and the number of knives continues to increase education is more important than ever. education is more important than ever . carrying education is more important than ever. carrying a education is more important than ever . carrying a knife education is more important than ever. carrying a knife is thing, but associating with it can now get you in severe trouble. in 2014, byron heightens john. joe was murdered . preston. since was murdered. preston. since then he began the jj effects an organisation dedicate to educating people about the weapon used to kill his brother. we now have kids as young as sometimes 13, 14, if not longer. it means suicide . hunting knife it means suicide. hunting knife said just because the schools trust me to give them might be a

crazy presence has never seen before. but the results also marry up to that with travelling up down the country attacking nearly 600 national kids from his youngest six or two grown men and adults and women . you men and adults and women. you name it, we do it. and that in the memory of my brother, open the memory of my brother, open the families like . byron's the uk. families like. byron's have been torn apart. the uk. families like. byron's have been torn apart . knife have been torn apart. knife crime this police forces around the country have carried out operation sceptre , an initiative operation sceptre, an initiative focussed on tackling this issue. in lancashire we make a really big effort for week. we put a lot resources into it to try and help the public and make sure that the communities are as safe as they can possibly be regarding this knife crime issue operation sceptre takes off the streets but it's also about changing perceptions as. part of that chief inspector has a message for anyone who feels they have the right to carry a knife. i would ask them , first knife. i would ask them, first of all, don't take knife with them. you must dispose of the

knife and you must speak to about the issues around , why about the issues around, why you're actually carrying the knife. you believe you need to carry that knife to protect . but carry that knife to protect. but thatis carry that knife to protect. but that is not the case . what we that is not the case. what we want you to do is pull that down and speech from us to get support, ultimately support, because ultimately knives don't kill . people do . knives don't kill. people do. sophie ripper, gb news news. not in the way. do you think ? and in the way. do you think? and i'm just asking for your opinion. really where do you think this has come from? because was a boy growing because when i was a boy growing up seventies this just up in the seventies this just didn't see it. and neither was on the news with your knuckles . on the news with your knuckles. so where did the knives come from? i think protection gangs, they realised it was really good weapon to use to scare , to fear, weapon to use to scare, to fear, to cause fear. weapon to use to scare, to fear, to cause fear . but again, i ask to cause fear. but again, i ask if we have, does that come from because for the longest time people i suppose , and should people i suppose, and should dominance over rival gangs without this happening. i mean i've no i wouldn't know i mean

to know what you think i mean i mean obviously being born in glasgow you grew up with a tradition of the gangs and the razor gangs in the 1920s gone the way up the 1960s. and i it's closely connected to one of the previous topics about, you know, male young males feeling worthless because if you're worse, worthless and, you're not going anywhere. you might as carry a knife because, you know, it's a sign of big, tough feel to stand your ground . the thing to stand your ground. the thing that astonishes is the availability of these weapons and not just the available range. i mean, these are all buying them online and whatever these terrifying weapons, i bet you there's no age thing. i mean, you know, you can take and say i'm 18 and on online. mean, you know, you can take and say i'm 18 and on online . so say i'm 18 and on any online. so i think i've got to do it has a lot to with people feeling that they're worthless got to stand they're worthless got to stand the ground they've got the identity might have is with identity they might have is with the gang of like minded people , the gang of like minded people, which almost a replacement which is almost a replacement for the funding. it's protection

. i think that if you look in in london gangs i mean, london as well and gangs i mean, taking this from top bombers and which is top boy and it is if you're of a gang, you need protection . and they young kids protection. and they young kids haven't been educated like this young man now going around educating people they don't realise the will it can kill. they just think it'll just wound. it can kill, they just think it'll just wound. it can kill , they don't wound. it can kill, they don't realise it's a they need but but even won't help they they're there to protect themselves. it's dog eat dog. but maybe there's not enough police . but there's not enough police. but there's not enough police. but the level of violence and the and the level of violence that people are prepared to mete out casually against their fellow human beings. that casually against their fellow human beings . that is casually against their fellow human beings. that is different. always astonishes . and something always astonishes. and something has something has there. then you see that they don't realise. i think there's an intent to kill. oh you do. there is intent and the value of human life. well that's the devaluing of human life i think. but still, you said that in the 1920s in glasgow i didn't know about this

razor gang. oh yeah, absolutely . peaky blinders isn't . . peaky blinders isn't. absolutely. like peaky blinders and didn't i know that and britain cross and glasgow, for example, the gangs met to fight the police just came and closed all the exits until it was over and then and this is with blade right so this isn't a new thing the why are we making it a new. well, i think it's the numbers. i think it's the level. i don't think i think in glasgow of think even i think in glasgow of the any of the cities the gangs in any of the cities had i think it it was had gangs and i think it it was contained . i think it's and it's contained. i think it's and it's younger . younger. you know, i, younger. younger. you know, i, i don't think it was, you know, kids at school, you know, it's so much of it is kids at, you know, squaring up to one another. it was the sociability is because they combine it they can buy these weapons but you can buy these weapons but you can take knife at your mum's can take the knife at your mum's kitchen drawer easy. so it's not bad, intent that it's bad, but that intent that it's the kill that astonishes the intent kill that astonishes me that you. i think it's just intent harm or intent to protect you know and sikhism , you know, you know and sikhism, you know, they use the kirpan it's a sword

andifs they use the kirpan it's a sword and it's for protection . you and it's for protection. you know, it's a religious thing it's to protect. i don't i don't really that i mean, you'd have very age. i think you would realise that if stick one of these weapons into somebody's midsection. oh yeah. because it is seriously likely to kill them. i do not think that they're not going to do much. do you think neil this can be done. well, you would have to, but for some reason as well, i think mixed it. there doesn't seem to be of i don't think be any fear of i don't think people think that it's that will be consequences for doing it because you know we know that the police for whatever reasons are tackling they're not are tackling and they're not chasing down knife crime the rather police what people do on social media and you know you the thought crimes of social media rather actually getting out there and being a presence in communities and boys especially youngsters are frightened of the police presence you know, and they're not frightened of them because they're well, they're not they're well, they're not they're i mean, in the old days, i hate to to the old days.

i hate to go to the old days. but if there youth but if there was a youth disturbance any country disturbance in a any country town village, you'd phone up town or village, you'd phone up the police station which would be and you be have people in it, and you wouldn't go and try and sergeant murder who put on his hat what run the local park and say run to the local park and say right i know who you are. and they there and calling they were there and men calling them, were they them, they were they, they they were they the were a presence. they walked the street so this street and saw them. so this lack police you're saying is lack of police you're saying is the yes don't think the problem? yes don't think we're going to solve it here. no, we've got to go to another break, which we'll break, after which we'll be heanng break, after which we'll be hearing will return hearing how humanity will return to see after to the moon. they see after after . one successfully after us. one successfully launched. you in a few launched. see you in a few minutes .

welcome back to neil oliver live . this is a good one. i've been looking forward to this one because it's been a long time coming. the most powerful ever rocket has launched from cape canaveral and florida. the 100 metre tall artemus slipped the suddenly bones of earth

witnessed the success last after two abortive attempts . august two abortive attempts. august and then september. there's no crew in the orion spacecraft space this time. but this mission head for the moon as a rehearsal for manned flights in the years come. joining me to contemplate all of this and the fact that artemus has finally got off the ground. space expert andrew loaned loaned . hello andrew loaned loaned. hello neil. hello andrew. what is it that you've got the right there that? your disposal. your right hand. is that. yeah this is the top section of the artemis vehicle. exactly. what's been launched into at last, as you as you well said , if you will, just you well said, if you will, just bnng you well said, if you will, just bring us up to speed. what? what, what the problems. andrew, why has it been, you know, months of waiting thing months of waiting this thing finally going . yeah. it finally to get going. yeah. it was interesting indeed the was very interesting indeed the initial problem was a connector which carried hydrogen fuel into the main rocket itself . and as the main rocket itself. and as the main rocket itself. and as

the connector bolts into to the side of it, the sail sailed , the side of it, the sail sailed, the pressure was too high behind it and you couldn't fix out on in situ. it had to actually take a long job to drain all the fuel out that you solve that problem because then they had the bad weather of course they had the storm device what was interesting during the launch this week i thought it was very interesting for the geeks there because the that there was a slight to the launch again and that was because there was an intermittent with the same connector again and a crew sent out essentially to tighten the bolts which hold it in place. and i thought that was quite interesting because that told me exactly what the problem had been preview like in that there was what we call the talking of the bolts meant it was too tight and the sail . the bolts meant it was too tight and the sail. so what the bolts meant it was too tight and the sail . so what they and the sail. so what they obviously was they under obviously did was they under torqued it to make it slightly and could talk it up and then they could talk it up to exactly the right thing .

to exactly the right thing. that's the you can only do that's the only you can only do that live test. there's that during a live test. there's no way you could simulate that. and so everything case and so everything in that case then went perfectly well and the launch could go ahead ahead . launch could go ahead ahead. huge relief all round cape canaveral, because it must have been getting embarrassing . it's been getting embarrassing. it's yeah.i been getting embarrassing. it's yeah. i mean, people that the media tend to think, oh, this is embarrassing. it's not happening from an engineer's point of view . no, it isn't. that's why you run tests to. see if things work and because and they don't work because the thing massive thing about america's massive program because nsa program program, because the nsa program is publicly funded, have to is publicly funded, they have to do everything in the open . do everything in the open. there's no hiding anything to the way. so you see it, warts and all while it's going on and that's it. there is pressure them obviously politically to get it done and if you put too much pressure on you need to access which is what led to the challenger disaster killing seven astronauts way back in 1986. and that was political pressure being placed song now set to launch in conditions that

should never have launched it . should never have launched it. they've been told this time, of course, there'll be no political pressure. going allow pressure. they're going to allow them their job done. and them to get their job done. and so therefore, it's a very successful they think this successful they just think this launch was going to all set launch that was going to all set up checklist to going through up a checklist to going through it perfect launch it all. it was a perfect launch it all. it was a perfect launch it was absolutely spectacular to say the very least, it was the first time this all up system has actually been launched to put the spacecraft on its way to the moon . so talk through the moon. so talk us through exactly what the mission is all about. you know, unmanned how long take? what are the long will it take? what are the objectives ? well, the mission is objectives? well, the mission is about 25 days, just over 25 days. and the objective to test the hardware at the launch system, all the carried into on its way to the meant that it has worked and then to test the spacecraft, we'll use the model just really straight. what we're testing out here . so the escape testing out here. so the escape tower, disappeared tower, which is now disappeared it section disappears . so this it section disappears. so this was now the main spacecraft itself which they really needed

to test the main body of it has come apart , which is what we all come apart, which is what we all want. it and it just, you know, from this small tends satellites were actually launched . so it's were actually launched. so it's actually a practical mission that sense that small satellites have been launched to do actually the research one of which is a solar sail, which will travel to an asteroid the remaining section and this is it here . it will actually have here. it will actually have solar panels which fold out and head towards the moon . and on head towards the moon. and on board are some dummies and they will test for the radiation environment for human astronauts because this mission, these missions of automated will take longer than those of apollo . so longer than those of apollo. so the radiation environment is very so they need to test those systems out to make sure that the astronauts are going to be safe while . they're on board the safe while. they're on board the spacecraft test everything else out the engine at the back this whole section here has been built by the european space. this is the european space agency's contribution to it .

agency's contribution to it. vehicle will go into a long elliptical orbit around the moon , not like apollo, which was a short elliptical orbit. and this is going to be a much wider one. and the idea of is because, of course, there will be a space orbiting the moon in a few years time, but spacecraft like this will docking before will be docking before astronauts the astronauts latched onto the surface because the idea is to actually moon, stay, actually to the moon, to stay, to carry out research and to do all sorts of projects . once this all sorts of projects. once this is its orbit about is actually its orbit about moon, it'll fire its engine will head back to earth and. then the next stage step is, of course will separate and the capsule part, which will originally carry astronauts on board this enter the earth's atmosphere at just under 25,000 miles per hour and hopefully a successful splashdown in the pacific on about december the 11th. and that's test. send the heat shield and to see how everything goes. shield and to see how everything goes . and then once they do full goes. and then once they do full of all this, they can be prepared then for a crewed

mission to go around the moon . mission to go around the moon. andrew lloyd it's amazing. i'm so relieved i have to say, i felt for the guys at cape canaveral when they had to keep on cancelling the launch. so it's to know they are. it's it's good to know they are. it's good to know the journey is under i'm that under way. and i'm sure that we'll having you back to we'll be having you back to maybe on maybe get a post—mortem on how it went. thank you. and you it all went. thank you. and you had a very exciting, brilliant. isn't it great? yeah. i mean, the precursor to human habitation on the moon , it habitation on the moon, it sounds like they will be migrating . we will be will be migrating. we will be will be immigrants . they're economic immigrants. they're economic immigrants. they're economic immigrants. they're economic immigrants. they're one we'll all be we'll all be migrants. they all the i mean, if there are resources to be exploited, you can bet your bottom dollar that money is involved that all where money is involved . wonder this costs . . i wonder how much this costs. how much at a cost? i don't i know i know that apollo at one stage was costing the americans 10% of gdp . so which is the only 10% of gdp. so which is the only $10 great story, isn't it, you know, space exploration . you know, space exploration. you know, space exploration. you know you said that thing was going to drop and this is going to sound really dumb, but it's

going to drop somewhere in the pacific. yes how will they find it? some kind of it? i mean, i have some kind of track gp's. right? we're going to have to move on. it's all from neil this from me, neil oliver this evening thanks as always to my panel evening thanks as always to my panel. lieutenant colonel crawford narinder caught. crawford and to narinder caught. next up, it's mark dolan tonight and mark, what have you got coming up with which to amuse us many neil plenty of amusement lots of debate as well especially from eight in the people's hour which i'm taking your video calls i'll also be joined stanley johnson and show biz legend christopher. plus, we got my diary round up of the week my big opinion monologue and my take at ten in which i'll be dealing with making markle who thinks the word is a nice word. i've got news for you, dean word. i've got news for you, dear. we live in three looking ahead to weather and the uk is what it means is a band rain continues its progress across

uk. let's look at the details starting off scotland it will be a very wet starting east heavy rain falling on ground brings the risk of further flooding with over higher . meanwhile with over higher. meanwhile northern ireland is mostly dry with just a few showers most likely towards coasts and it will be cold today . the will be cold today. the overnight rain will edge north—west england . here north—west england. here there'll be some clear spells first, but also a few blustery showers. a similar picture for wales. the key with showers here for many it will be a dry and bright start with some sunshine. freezing temperatures mainly for the november in east midlands. it will wet the same but rain will be away with some spells from the west throughout the morning . the rain will take morning. the rain will take a little longer to appear east anglia here we can expect some heavy at best as it should turn dry and bright yet by lunchtime

around the south coast it will be a fine morning for many for central parts . but the east be a fine morning for many for central parts. but the east rain will be clearing way whilst the west can expect some showers as the band of rain clears eastwards , sunny skies will eastwards, sunny skies will follow through the morning, but also plenty blustery showers. and that's how the weather is shaping up during tomorrow tomorrow .

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