it's 24 hours on from the budget. i have say the reaction in westminster is decidedly cold today as labour go on the attack, saying it's just the i% of wealthiest who are really going to benefit. have the tories made a big strategic error? we'll discuss that with all sides. be the former all sides. i'll be by the former attorney of arizona, mark brnovich. you think we've got a problem with illegal immigration? he'll tell us what's happening and what's happening in america. and joining talking bias and joining me on talking bias and sean james, the man of sean james, the repo man of channel 4 fame, all of that in a moment. first, let's get the news headlines . nigel,

moment. first, let's get the news headlines. nigel, thank you and good evening to you. the latest tv news headlines are that the government has now agreed a pay offer with health unions representing nurses, ambulance staff and, other nhs workers in england . they're workers in england. they're going to receive a consolidated pay going to receive a consolidated pay increase of 5% and an additional lump sum worth at least £1,655 if they back it. health unions have all suspended their strikes now and are recommending their members accept the deal in an upcoming ballot and that comes after health workers in scotland, represented by the gmb union, accepted a six and a half% pay offer from the scottish government. the prime minister says today's agreement is a message to other unions to stop the strikes and start talks . we the strikes and start talks. we want to have constructive dialogue with unions with serious about finding fair and reasonable agreements on public sector pay. i think today's agreement that and what i'd say

to all other unions is, you know, please be striking. please come in and have those talks. we've been wanting to do that and we today's agreement demonstrates we're serious about it. want disruption . it. we don't want disruption. we'll speaking to gb news this afternoon , the head of the afternoon, the head of the health union at unison , sara health union at unison, sara gorton, said they want this to be the start of government and unions working together to make a difference . well, i think the a difference. well, i think the moral of the story is that when government works with trade unions, we can actually deliver something that might make a difference to the health service. so you know, we want to see this is the start of a process where government actually listens to trade unions and accepts that we're the voice of health workers and wants to work with us constructively . work with us constructively. well separately, junior doctors belonging to the british medical association are yet to resolve their pay dispute . however, their pay dispute. however, they've welcomed an invitation to negotiate from the government with talks set to take place tomorrow. full details right

here, gb news. now oliver dowden says grant shapps should not hold sensitive government documents on his personal phone, describing it as a risk that comes after the energy secretary said he wouldn't be deleting the tik tok app. despite concerns over security . earlier, mr. over security. earlier, mr. dowden placed an immediate ban on the app on all devices. the cabinet minister says the decision is a precautionary measure. we'll have received separate briefing in respect of how he should use his personal device and that would include not having sensitive government documents on his personal device. it is just a fact that the ultimate ownership of tik tok is from a chinese entity and. all those entities are subject to chinese national security laws, so it may not be the case that this is happening now. and i don't have any evidence to suggest that that is the case, but that it is a risk at 7:03. you are up to date on tv, online and dab+ radio. this

is gb news the people's channel. for time fresh . for time fresh. good evening . well, it's now 24 good evening. well, it's now 24 hours after that spring budget delivered by jeremy hunt yesterday. and there he was , all yesterday. and there he was, all chirpy and happy and bullish and optimistic and telling us that everything was going to be just great. well, now we've had time to look the small print and to look at the small print and the things he didn't say in the things that he didn't say in the things that he didn't say in the budget that i think are really rather. one is around immigration. didn't really rather. one is around immigration . didn't mention it, immigration. didn't mention it, but no , the projected figures but no, the projected figures are that for the next four years, net migration in will run at an average of a quarter of a million people. every year. gross that will be 1.6 million new people coming , living and new people coming, living and settling in britain over the course of the next four years.

now, i doubt that number, given how lax we are. and if you add on top of that illegal immigration and people not leaving. i suspect number leaving. i suspect the number will even bigger. but will be even bigger. but in economic terms , that is actually economic terms, that is actually written in a part of jeremy hunfs written in a part of jeremy hunt's growth projections. you see if there are more people. the economy becomes bigger and therefore they say the country is getting wealthier. but today, for the first time ever , we had for the first time ever, we had the boss of the office for budget responsibility admitting on the bbc that even though gdp would go up, gdp per capita would go up, gdp per capita would not say the population gets bigger, the roads get . gets bigger, the roads get. housing becomes more difficult. accessing gp services becomes harder. and overall, poor person there is no economic benefit . there is no economic benefit. but hey, that's what you get these days. vote labour or vote conservative and you get mass migration . now, there weren't migration. now, there weren't many rabbits that were pulled out of the hat yesterday. very, very few surprises, but perhaps the abolition completely of the

cap on what people can put in to their own private pensions was their own private pensions was the surprise . and now, on an the surprise. and now, on an annual basis , it was 40. you can annual basis, it was 40. you can now put 60,000 quid every year into your private pension . this into your private pension. this was done, we're told, so that doctors can sultans wouldn't retire in their fifties because their pots have been capped at £1 million. they'd stay on in the nhs, but inevitably the feeling that i had it last night when i was talking up in doncaster , inevitably there an doncaster, inevitably there an attack line here for labour that says the wealthiest 1% of earners have benefited hugely. oh, and by the way , the money oh, and by the way, the money that goes in to those private pension pots is a very good way for them to avoid or those after them to avoid inheritance tax as well. and what everybody else has got is a rising tax burden . has got is a rising tax burden. i was amazed how flat footed sir keir starmer was on this yesterday. but then, like most modern day politicians , the modern day politicians, the speech is written for him by

somebody else pre—written before the budget , somebody else pre—written before the budget, and he just stands up and reads it. the budget, and he just stands up and reads it . but rachel up and reads it. but rachel reeves, the shadow chancellor, has been out on the attack today. let's have a listen . this today. let's have a listen. this billion or more giveaway is the wrong priority when ordinary people are facing a cost of living crisis. why we're going to force a vote on this. the house of commons on tuesday and encourage conservative mps to vote for their constituent who are struggling with a cost of living crisis rather than voting for a tax cut for people who can already save £1,000,000 or more into a pension and an incoming labour government would look to reverse these changes because i don't think it's right that an onune don't think it's right that an online rated amount of money can be into pensions with a government with a taxpayer subsidy for it. well, that was rachel reeves and look, i don't want to see people who are successful being punished in any way at all. i think high

taxation is a massive error as indeedi taxation is a massive error as indeed i believe the increase in corporation tax is a very big mistake. but to allow the opposition to portray your budget as benefiting the top 1% of earners, whilst everybody else is going to face an increased cost of living and a higher tax burden doesn't look like very good politics to me. have the tories made a big mistake? give me your thoughts. farage gb news .uk. mistake? give me your thoughts. farage gb news .uk . well, farage gb news .uk. well, joining me now down the line is gerard lyons, chief economics at net worth wealth . and of course, net worth wealth. and of course, gerard , formerly adviser to gerard, formerly adviser to bofis gerard, formerly adviser to boris johnson and economics when he was the mayor of london. gerard, firstly , big picture , gerard, firstly, big picture, what do you think that budget will do and is hunt right to say that? we're going to become one of the most competitive economies in the world for business. well, good evening. it's great to be on the show. well, in terms of yesterday's budget, it was a mixed bag. there were 84 measures in terms of tax and spending. most of

them small, which highlights the fact there was too much micromanaging and too much interfering . on big picture side interfering. on big picture side on positive. there was £91 billion added to the economy the next four years as a result of yesterday's budget. so that's good news. but the reality is that we have to look at yesterday alongside what happened last november in terms of the autumn and in that autumn statement, the chance to announce some big tax increases which will now still feed through such as corporation tax increase , which was confirmed increase, which was confirmed yesterday , and also the freezing yesterday, and also the freezing of allowances so that many people of pooled what's called fiscal drag that drag it into higher tax brackets. so some of the negative aspects in terms of hitting businesses and personal incomes from last autumn are yet to feed through and will now start to feed through. but yesterday there were some specific positive measures in terms of boost. so pulling it together , a mixed bag. the real

together, a mixed bag. the real challenge is this the chancellor yesterday was right to focus on pro—growth strategy . but the pro—growth strategy. but the budget yesterday doesn't go far enoughin budget yesterday doesn't go far enough in terms of that growth strategy . and when the economy strategy. and when the economy has , as it does at the moment, has, as it does at the moment, debt over 100% of gdp, which means the government's debt is higher than the size of the economy. and that's partly of the pandemic, partly because of the pandemic, partly because of the war in ukraine when debt is that high, the outlook debt becomes very sensitive to the relationship between growth and interest rates. if growth disappoints or if inflation pushes interest rates higher , pushes interest rates higher, then we get into a debt trap and then we get into a debt trap and then ever feeding them with cycle. so growth is the key. yes, the budget was a step in the right direction, but we need to have more to have and to deliver upon that growth strategy . well, it wasn't a very strategy. well, it wasn't a very big one, jared , in my opinion. big one, jared, in my opinion. and i still think that the

upping of corporation tax to foreign investors particularly is a very negative move when of course you can go to dublin for 12 and a half% but politically, politically , have the politically, have the conservatives opened up a potentially very big flank to the labour party on pensions, all to try to keep a hundred couple of nhs consultants still working? is it a mistake to be seen to be benefiting the top 1% of earners and not anybody else yet? well, well, the to that has to be a yes . you've highlighted to be a yes. you've highlighted the politics but to understand the politics but to understand the economics why he took this step then you can actually weigh the politics the economics together basically the monetary policy route for manoeuvre is limited. bank of england is raising rates. the fiscal manoeuvring for the fiscal body for manoeuvre on tax and spending the chancellor thinks is i like you don't think should be putting up taxes and

corporation tax increase. i don't think should have gone ahead.so don't think should have gone ahead. so what he's decided no room for move on monetary policy no room for manoeuvre on fiscal . i have to boost the supply side and there there are two issues to focus on trying to encourage firms to invest and try and get more people into the labour force. you highlight it immigration earlier. he's yes highlighted childcare to try and encourage more people to work and then on top of that there was this change on pensions. i think to be frank, he should have gone for specific changes to public sector and to the nhs pension schemes that would have been far better at the target. it would have achieved what he wanted. i would have not gone down this political negative route . you've correctly route. you've correctly highlighted . gerard as ever, highlighted. gerard as ever, great analysis. thank you for joining me here on gb news. and i think you know what i said to you earlier, you know, there's gerard lyons, somebody who's naturally been conservative

supporter. but you can see the reaction yesterday's budget reaction to yesterday's budget is cool. but have they is pretty cool. but have they made a huge mistake. in a moment. i'll speak to simon dan show former labour member of parliament .we'll parliament the rochdale. we'll get yesterday's get his take on yesterday's budget you a couple of budget with you in a couple of minutes .

well, let's get some of your thoughts . the conservatives left thoughts. the conservatives left a big open flank to labour. have they made a big mistake with yesterday's budget? because i think possibly they. well, one viewer says they have made mistake after mistake, not just with the budget, but brexit and our borders, too . well, if you our borders, too. well, if you believe the opinion polls are quite a few people who voted tory in 2019 who are thinking exactly the same as you are. but isa says, he's investing in the business sector to boost the economy and turn reduce inflation. but he should stop

funding ukrainian weapons. well, but isa, if he's investing in the business sector, i am to find it is all i can tell you. bnan find it is all i can tell you. brian says one too many. i'm afraid by that he means mistakes .labour afraid by that he means mistakes . labour government spending . . labour government spending. and finally, another comment . and finally, another comment. the government have had a tough job brexit followed by covid, was never going to be easy. they are doing their best. well, i tell you what, if that's doing their best, i'd hate to see what their best, i'd hate to see what their worst, because on a range of issues, don't think they've done terribly. but i'll grant you covid and other problems. they weren't easy to deal with. now i'm joined now simon dann, former labour for rochdale. former labour mp for rochdale. simon are , you know want simon are, you know want successful people to benefit from your senior consultant on the nhs or a businessman or woman. i don't want punitive , i woman. i don't want punitive, i don't want to hurt people , but don't want to hurt people, but have they made a mistake here? you know, by the way, starmer was thought very slow. yes yeah,

you made that point, didn't you ? and he should have picked up on it more quickly in response to the budget. this issue about pensions and laughter , levels of pensions and laughter, levels of investment into one's pension is , a sledgehammer to crack a nut isn't it? and so it's not a very sophisticated approach. he ends up giving a lot of money to extremely people who frankly don't need it all to placate and consultants in the nhs as you previous said it could it could have used them more sophisticated approach to that. so i think it is a mistake. i think the budget overall was uninspiring. it was a very safe budget. i think the government, the conservative government will be pleased with . they haven't be pleased with. they haven't scared the horses on mike kwasi kwarteng budget minute budget in september and that was a bit different. yeah and i agree with you that. yeah, i mean but steady as she goes in an economy where more and more people either think about your former constituents think about people

who've been in the police force or a senior nurses they all going to be dragged into 40 taxation that was when tony blair was prime minister top rate of tax folk doing middling jobs so it could be 7 to 8 million people by 2028 going into the high rate of a very high rate of tax all. at the same time that labour can say to them , but the top 1% are getting them, but the top 1% are getting away with murder. yeah this isn't a general election . isn't a general election. winning budgets is played it? very safe. he probably. he has time before general election in 2024. he'll some rabbits out of the hat . that's a future date, the hat. that's a future date, i have no doubt , the hat. that's a future date, i have no doubt, in an attempt to try and win votes . but you're try and win votes. but you're exactly right. he's trying to get public debt down by allowing taxes to effective only increase the increase corporation tax. i think is a big disaster a 25% increase up to 25. that's phenomenal high and will

discourage investment in the united kingdom. what i would have ought to see is really a more visionary budgets, one that addresses this issue. we have effect tively low wage, high welfare model in the uk gordon brown initiated it with tax credits we've got universal credits we've got universal credit we're subsidising people be in employment and it's for employers pay reasonable wages of the government's having to subsidise in—work benefits. what is what you're talking about. yeah exactly and we be moving away from that as a nation we should have a vision for increasing manufacturing more high tech. yes we good on life sciences we good on creative industry trees but there's nothing really there really going to stimulate our economy . going to stimulate our economy. and so i think is made a mistake is missed opportunities. do you think that keir starmer and rachel reeves have the right vision? no i'm not convinced that they are. rachel is extremely competent , there's no extremely competent, there's no doubt about it. she knows it delivers messages that clear. absolutely. she and she knows she knows economics very well

well. that makes the change for westminster . probably. does your westminster. probably. does your absolutely right so i think she's very competent. but what we don't see from labour either is a vision where will they where are they suggesting they will take the country? should they win the general election and we've had five missions published recently which which make very little sense is no level of detail there. i suppose they are worried that their are being stolen by the conservatives as we get closer to a general election and the childcare in the budget. yes, the date will be an example , but the date will be an example, but of course in some ways, simon, they won't steal at each other's policies because there isn't much to choose between them, is there? no. well there's an article new statesman article in the new statesman which the parties which suggesting the parties are converge they trying converge gene. they both trying to ground . what i did to the centre ground. what i did like about the budget is , the like about the budget is, the issue of addressing employment and unemployment, unemployment's now only 3.7, one of the lowest levels since since the 1970s.

but we have got is 10 million people of working who are economically inactive. and that's just not we need to get people back into vacancies from employee is a record high so we need to stimulate the childcare proposals will do that some of the pension changes will that as well to an extent to a degree they will but we may be talking about tens of thousands of jobs, i suspect more than hundreds. but we'll have to wait and see. there were some people saying, oh, no, 600,000 people could go back to work as a result of childcare. i know, i'll childcare. i you know, i'll believe it when i say final thought, simon, but an important one. opinion are quite one. the opinion polls are quite consistent. have now consistent. they have been now for labour are 20 for some time that labour are 20 to 25 points ahead and that the conservatives will lose all 45 of the seats in your neck of the woods in the red wall. and many think game, set, match to labour before we even start, what's your view? i think it's far more complex than that. there's a whole range of different issues

going to play out. i don't i don't think labour will necessarily get it over the line. i think rishi is playing it quite safe. safe, but today the framework took, you the windsor framework took, you know, the different issues that he's beginning to address and i think it'll start creeping back in the opinion polls. i think there's to play for. interesting. interesting there we are hope for those of you sitting at home or in the car that fervent leigh want the conservatives win next conservatives to win next around. simon dan, chuck, thank you me. in moment, we you joining me. in a moment, we talked he's the talked about brnovich. he's the former general, former attorney general, arizona. until january arizona. he was up until january of year. we'll talk to him of this year. we'll talk to him about illegal immigration , about illegal immigration, people crossing borders who have not been invited. they've been suffering this problem longer than us. are there lessons we can learn from america .

we all know the story over the course of the last three years, the number of people crossing the number of people crossing the channel and those little inflatable dinghies has risen year after year after year. it's a major political crisis in this country, let alone those that come the back of lorries . you come in the back of lorries. you think got a problem? think we've got a problem? forget it. america has got a much problem, and it's had it for a long long time now. mark brnovich, you were for eight years. he was their attorney general in arizona , a border general in arizona, a border state. and i've to visit just for a british audience. tell us what the scale of the problem of illegal immigration is, since joe biden became president. look, there's always debates and controversies over how to handle immigration. but since controversies over how to handle immigration . but since joe controversies over how to handle immigration. but since joe biden became president, united states , more than 6 million people have illegally entered the united states, 6 million. i want to put that in context, nigel. thatis to put that in context, nigel. that is the equivalent . joe that is the equivalent. joe biden's from delaware. that the equivalent of six delaware. it's you know, these are astronomical

numbers. you know, when we talk about you know wembley stadium, i mean, think how many times you could fill up a wembley stadium with the amount of people that are into every are coming into the uk every year when you look at year and just when you look at the numbers, the united states and what i try to people, and what i try to remind people, i'm american. i i'm first generation american. i understand, people understand, you know, why people want to countries, the want to come to countries, the uk the states . the uk and the united states. the rule of law means something even over eroded every over that's being eroded every day. the thing is day. now but but the thing is you have to do it in an orderly fashion and folks have to that when they're coming to countries like you know i was we don't we didn't depend on welfare . you didn't depend on welfare. you know, i was i had to learn english. and i'm very proud that i'm know another i'm you know food in another language. but, know you language. but, you know you had to and you had to be to assimilate and you had to be self—sufficient. and happening now is twofold. it's dangerous for not only united states, but uk as well is, you know, milton friedman, you know, the great nobel winning, you know , nobel winning, you know, economists who say you cannot have immigration, the welfare state. and so that's one of the big problems countries especially, you know, uk is

ahead of us when it comes to the welfare state. but the united states is trying to catch up fast. second thing is, fast. but the second thing is, i remind people all time, remind people all the time, every time enters a country illegally or every time someone gets a dinghy and lands off the coast , there is organised coast, there is organised criminal cartel all making money off that in arizona, it's in texas it's, you know the mexican gangs that are making record amount billions dollars profit. so they're not only smuggling people, they're smuggling drugs and they're the quality of life . and inevitably, when know people are helping people smuggle into the united kingdom, eventually they're going to be drugs. the other things go and their wealth, they're enriching themselves, which will undermine democratic institutions. it's a double problem . it because not double problem. it because not only are the traffickers making money this, but some of money out of this, but some of those come into our country. and i'm it's the same. yours i'm sure it's the same. yours will join criminal once will join criminal gangs once they've into this country, they've come into this country, compounding problem that compounding a problem that already trump won already exists. donald trump won in i'm going to build a

in 2016. i'm going to build a great, big, beautiful wall. much of the wall got built , but not of the wall got built, but not all of it. i mean, it seems that now america is doing nothing to protect its borders. or am i wrong? i in some ways nothing would be better than what joe biden done . would be better than what joe biden done. but joe biden has done what joe biden has done is he is dick criminalised and incentivised people breaking the law. so example the united states, one of the cases i argued at the us. supreme court last year was about the public charge rule, where biden to charge rule, where joe biden to give people the government benefits, they don't have legal status. what the status. that is what i call the incentivization in the united states. lot of people states. there's a lot of people i even arizona, they i knew even in arizona, they didn't care much about immigration. then once immigration. but then once started being put up four and started being put up in four and five star hotels in their neighbourhoods, noticed they neighbourhoods, we noticed they didn't, they didn't, they didn't. they started became started carrying. then it became a problem and i just so you a real problem and i just so you have that incentivization and then you have the decriminalisation and there is no and no no one being prosecuted and no one's being prosecuted for illegal entry and instead they're given a pass into the, you into the interior of

you know, into the interior of the and is that's the country. and that is that's what he's done is incentivise decriminalise people breaking what he's done is incentivise dec law.ialise people breaking what he's done is incentivise dec law.ialisethere'se breaking what he's done is incentivise dec law.ialisethere'se llesson] the law. and there's a lesson for this because you say for us in this because you say if down the route that if you go down the route that america gone down under america has gone down under biden there's every biden and there's every incentive come, i'm not incentive to come, i'm not suggesting we'll get to million, but our numbers will keep going up. they've done your case. up. they've done in your case. now been at the now marc, you've been at the centre it most ignored centre of it the most ignored most controversy the course most controversy over the course of or years. and of last two or three years. and this is all over amazing. we're having this discussion in the 21st century. but election integrity, big claims that the election was stolen in 2020. i was in phoenix, arizona, on the day of the midterms last november . day of the midterms last november. huge queues day of the midterms last november . huge queues outside november. huge queues outside polling stations are not fit for purpose system. i mean just give us a view as a legal officer is trump and trump, by the way, has changed his tune now slightly. is it wrong to say the election was stolen in november 2020? well there is the attorney general. what i have

systematically said is you deal in facts and evidence and what is admissible in the courtroom and someone may say something or may think they know something, but what's what what you but what's what what can you actually can you do? actually prove? what can you do? and i consistently and what i have consistently told people is that in 2020, even the run up to 2020 to the left the democrats in america were very systematic. and what they whether it was a ballot harvesting or even the manipulation with the tax companies and what you're getting and what you're getting. but the was the was their criminal activity? well look, i was the first attorney general to prosecute some of the ballot harvesting legal ballot harms in arizona. i went to the supreme court argued a case called court and argued a case called brnovich v dnc when. the left and the democrats tried to undermine, out of try undermine, you know, out of try to allow out of precinct voting and, try to make it and, you know, try to make it illegal to prohibit ballot harvesting . and the irony is, harvesting. and the irony is, katie hobbs is now the governor of arizona lost to carrie, of arizona who lost to carrie, has filed bar complaints against me during the course that me during the course of that case. and i've seen she's filed a against me now, the a complaint against me now, the

media, united states media, even in the united states now keeps saying, well, brnovich media, even in the united states nov1this ps saying, well, brnovich media, even in the united states nov1this or saying, well, brnovich media, even in the united states nov1this or sayingdo ell, brnovich media, even in the united states nov1this or sayingdo this. yrnovich media, even in the united states nov1this or sayingdo this. and ich did this or didn't do this. and so, the irony is that, so, you know, the irony is that, you know, you've got the far left in the media attacking me. but at the same time, what we did systematically through did is we systematically through and able to show and we were able to show when there when was claims, there was when there was claims, for dead people voting. for example dead people voting. it's of claims donald it's one of the claims donald trump, systematically trump, we were systematically able that that did trump, we were systematically abl

for free and fair elections, we have turn it up on the day have to turn it up on the day with the same level of knowledge on each side, maybe a few mail in ballots for, the elderly, the disabled, work. disabled, those that work. but as it's not working. as it is, it's not working. mark, thank you coming and mark, thank you for coming and joining me, but stay there. stay there here's what the there because here's what the farage you know, as we farage moment you know, as we talk nato , how united the talk about nato, how united the us and europe are in our defence of zelazny i tell you what our potential enemies are gathering on the other side . an on the other side. an announcement today that president xi of china will be visiting moscow. the kremlin probably next week. and we've also seen china broker deals in the last few days between saudi arabia and iran . south africa arabia and iran. south africa appear to be in with that group as well. i am deeply concerned that much of what's happening here is driving. we're driving russia into china's arms. i think it's very dangerous. mark i agree wholeheartedly. and there's the old arab saying that there's the old arab saying that the enemy my enemy is my friend and that's what china is doing. i think china is actually

manipulating russia. they're helping russia because they realised west when realised in a weakened west when the uk the germans sending the uk, the germans are sending their tanks to ukraine their leopard tanks to ukraine and states is using and the united states is using up all of its artillery rounds for that makes all west more for that makes all the west more vulnerable and the reality , just vulnerable and the reality, just like richard nixon went to china . europe, . yeah, i think europe, especially europe should be working russia to try to working with russia to try to isolate because greatest isolate because the greatest strategic political the strategic political in the world right military and right now, military and economically is the chinese party. i'm afraid at the moment in this country they're not quite ready to listen to that because we think russia is the biggest and but it's but biggest enemy. and but it's but it's a real problem today. something happened . oliver something has happened. oliver dowden cabinet minister, has decided that people who have government phones must delete the tik tok app. we're back to the tik tok app. we're back to the conversation market. i were having just a few moments ago. that must be the right decision. and finally on this segment, a little clip here of an exclusive interview that'll be played out tonight on dan wootton show from priti patel, the former home. how do you feel with this furore

over the past week when you have a high profile bbc presenter and gary lineker actually comparing the policy to 1930 germany? well you know, i've experienced such from him as well. when i was home secretary, i fundamentally disagree with that and i disagree with that and i disagree with that and i disagree with his comments for the obvious reasons , you know, the obvious reasons, you know, we can't sit back , do nothing we can't sit back, do nothing that longer, form . interview that longer, form. interview with dan wootton exclusively on gb news later on tonight in moment, it's time for talking points. i'll be joined by shaun james repo man of channel 4 fame will find out what is what is it like to go round the country repossessing people's cars .

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day. of course it is. it's talking points and joined by repo man shaun james. you're welcome. glad to be here. the program now . devon . join the program now. devon. join the royal navy. it's all quite a traditional yeah sort of. what was the royal navy like? it's good. oh 16 so i didn't know what else to . i joined the navy what else to. i joined the navy in the gulf war when i was 18. yeah. and yeah. made a man of me . what was the gulf war like ? i . what was the gulf war like? i just go along it. he just. i like people, turn around and go, was it bad? was it they just do as you're told. he trained do out. and i said, yeah, i think when you're away it seems doesn't it. young people are particularly afraid of anything really , you know. you should really, you know. but you should bnng really, you know. but you should bring fully believe national service should be brought back. do you get good? 100. you know, that would change the country quite a big way. that would change the country quite a big way . so you you quite a big way. so you you would discipline by the royal navy. yeah yeah. make me mad literally. yeah definitely bring

national service is not been part of a of a political debate in this country for a very very long time but i have its merits but just think we'd have to massively increase the forces begin with to even take the recruits and all of those that wouldn't do it. it's an interesting debate. i think necessarily it's a necessarily wrong. it's a very interesting do interesting debate. so how do you from being a lad in the you go from being a lad in the navy to repay ? i left the navy, navy to repay? i left the navy, didn't know what i was going to do open up the other pages looked at you had two pages of property active and it was not easy.i property active and it was not easy. i applied first company took me on and was private sector for about a year. then i got was working for solicitors and one of the solicitors turned around and said go for can you go off to french foreign legion bloke. he was a toyboy went after him, got a speedboat back, got back. he said you got got called back. he said you got a knack for this, you have a for about ripon didn't even i didn't even existed didn't even even know existed i didn't even know companies so know about finance companies so well for those that don't well that's for those that don't understand watching understand it that are watching

and basically as and listening this basically as people buy speedboats or buy cars on purchase agreements through , finance companies and through, finance companies and they struggle to make the repayments and so the job that you were doing was to go to people and either get the money or get the keys back is how it works. you give them a chance to get the to pay off for finance. but by the time it's normally six months down the line and have got you have no intention of paying a finance officer, you should up the ask of should just turn up the ask of the that's a few the case. that's have a few harsh words. you turn around the same tv clown and if not, you'd smash the window, take the handbrake entirely. yeah, handbrake off entirely. yeah, it's quite rough, job. it's quite a rough, tough job. we've a little clip here we've got a little clip here from the channel 4 or three, channel 4 series that made. channel 4 series that you made. little we're little clip here that we're going to show. would you give people just how tough it can people of just how tough it can . be all right. my car's being

repossessed. calm down your case. so give me my going down. case back . calm down. you do case back. calm down. you do more . i might get up off the more. i might get up off the floor. it's the time of the essence of this. quite yeah. theni essence of this. quite yeah. then i was going to get his mates mates . then i was going to get his mates mates. i mean, if then i was going to get his mates mates . i mean, if they're mates mates. i mean, if they're with them, they get it. but it's one of them and it. i'll put this one on limit. one of them and it. i'll put this one on limit . people this one on limit. people watching us out of a prime, i'll put one on these people watching, i don't know this is my policy and i think it's got this it's got got goodness gracious me. that's a rough, tough old game , isn't it? yeah, tough old game, isn't it? yeah, it's interesting. i mean, he was not about it. he wasn't. i

wasn't he wasn't happy. and so but i'm thinking with this , you but i'm thinking with this, you know, there are people who will deliberately, you know , get deliberately, you know, get flash car with no intention of really paying it off. and that looked like one of those people you might have been dealing with happens all the time. you get people when they go into finance. when get to finance. well, when they get to the car, dealerships the the car, dealerships get the finance. so happy it's like, finance. so happy and it's like, oh, it's a 14 grand car. oh, yeah, it's a 14 grand car. oh yeah, but have to pay 18 oh yeah, but you have to pay 18 grand worry it. grand back, 18 worry about it. but grand they've get it all out . so they a nice new car . so they get a nice new car finance company is like, oh dog, you have absolutely brilliant love of finance company. six months the line, someone months down the line, someone starts putting ideas in the head, you're grand head, oh, you're paying grand extra, do in this. yeah, extra, you'll do in this. yeah, doing that. and they, they feel so when they first get the car so when they first get the car so happy but, but equally , so happy but, but equally, equally i'm going to say to you , you know, are other , you know, there are other people who on modest means who will borrow money, you know, on

pay will borrow money, you know, on pay to get a family car, who then fall on hard times when got to go repossess their vehicle . to go repossess their vehicle. got to be quite tough. yeah, but got to do it now . all right. so got to do it now. all right. so to be quite honest , got to do it now. all right. so to be quite honest, mean got to do it now. all right. so to be quite honest , mean the to be quite honest, mean the finance companies will give them time, give them extra time. we'll sell payment plans and all. so by the time the repo man gets sent out, it's not like, you know, really harsh. let's go after him. you know, they have an ample opportunity and most of the people had the cars back. so you didn't feel any questionable about what you were doing as far as you was concerned? a deal's a dealif as you was concerned? a deal's a deal if you break deal, it's got to be put right and the early days are you get £150 of car. when it was 250. even the houday when it was 250. even the holiday jobs, i could get up to tutukaka but at the end the day i'll turn up and it was that was my money something the joint. so who who would get in touch who would who would get in touch with as as you speak with you as soon as you speak come you running own come to you running your own business and get these cars back? and many cars we back? yes and how many cars we getting back most got in getting back most have got in one day? well, the 24 hour

penod one day? well, the 24 hour period was 30 on average . you'd period was 30 on average. you'd get about ten quick ten cars. bacardi wow . but get about ten quick ten cars. bacardi wow. but you'd repay for overnight she'd start at half five. when people are in bed, you'd repay one, two, three, four, five in the morning and then you'd read you. yeah. because it's what place , their because it's what place, their place. you off at night place. knock you off at night time. be in, you go time. you going to be in, you go to someone's house at 2:00 in the afternoon when they're not going be could be going to be in. i could be shopping. that could around going to be in. i could be sho mix. |. that could around going to be in. i could be sho mix. 2:00t could around going to be in. i could be sho mix. 2:00 inould around going to be in. i could be sho mix. 2:00 in thei around going to be in. i could be sho mix. 2:00 in the morning1d going to be in. i could be sho mix. 2:00 in the morning or the mix. 2:00 in the morning or in well, other you in bed. well, other you repossess i mean, obviously repossess i mean, cars obviously speedboat well speedboat you mentioned. well small so indian small ticket holding so indian restaurants epos systems restaurants or the epos systems of tables be ball any of tables could be a ball any any equipment which the banks won't . so the finance won't finance. so the finance companies. well i what about the bad days you had to deal with some people some gang type people . yeah. you approach that. people. yeah. you approach that. i mean you're not allowed to carry weapons. you just him . i carry weapons. you just him. i don't i mean, we used to have blokes with us, so 2:00 in the morning in them . yeah. morning tissue in them. yeah. you'd frightened . oh you'd always get frightened. oh i'm going to ring the mikes. i'm

going to date. will try it. you know we can be, we can be gone in minutes ordering one of my in 10 minutes ordering one of my mates, on one of our mates, if i were on one of our mikes, i've collectors at mikes, i've debt collectors at the them and pick the door off of them and pick the door off of them and pick the phone up. i i'll from obviously now can assure you that if you knocked on my door or in the morning, i think i might give credit check might just give credit check security trouble that it's a fascinating business. how did how did you go from doing that? where did they where did the channel 4 thing come from? i watched one big fat gypsy wedding. yeah so far, cracker took them down some footage. really naive. knocked on their studio door , didn't have an studio door, didn't have an appointment, said , oh, look at appointment, said, oh, look at this footage of me . they just this footage of me. they just humoured me. i literally took mick out of make cent down an office, junior, what you doing? it took down some details. watches, them usb stick. watches, give them usb stick. got they said you can't got home they said you can't just walk channel have to just walk channel 4 have to commission. show you can't commission. yeah, show you can't walk and to show i'm walk in and demand to show i'm home think 24 i was like on a four and they said you can make

a documentary about my current was the first time you ever happened and you did not just one serious but you did yeah we done channel 4 and then i was on discovery channel and then we make our own shows now, which is on amazon and you're out and you've got some big stuff youtube going on as well. yeah what is spend 250 what it was is we spend 250 grand the last show, which grand on the last show, which was very i'll put it on to was very cool. i'll put it on to amazon, but amazon were a bit sly and they won't release it to general public by making public buy it. general public by making public buyit.so general public by making public buy it. so as bit of a gesture buy it. so as a bit of a gesture because people waiting for the new show we chopped a 250 grand show and it all on show up and put it all on youtube. people can watch it for free. how's the relationship with okay i mean, if with amazon. okay i mean, if they're going to let people out it for free and mean the recession is you know i was coming it's recession people and got money. yeah and they wouldn't release it for people got what can you got amazon prime so what can you do people whispering in messaging 1699 wasn't to buy the whole series and so i literally

fell on my sword chopped programme up well i go for and how did you find working with the tv company being miked up do you find it a frustrating experience or no, we aren't the production company, right. okay. so we produce everything ourselves . yeah. and yeah, like ourselves. yeah. and yeah, like stressful times, but and you've been an extra in films as well. yeah. but in star wars twice transformers the best. one of other things david harbour's body and black widow also guardian running around as a superhero when he can be bothered. so i was good so what to think about things to do is you i mean maybe this is not right but you paint murals on kids bench . yeah. yes so like kids bench. yeah. yes so like kids bench. yeah. yes so like kids who big for the hulk you force hammer and all lighting goes around the rooms but i'm really got time to do that nowadays. crossing the channel documentary what on a serious point. yeah, we've been through

a period of very low interest rates that have lasted for almost 20 years and suddenly interest rates have gone up quite substantial really. i'm guessing means the repossession game must be as now as he's ever been. game must be as now as he's ever been . they've stopped lending a been. they've stopped lending a lot of a lot of companies have shut on their books down and then because it's gone towards , then because it's gone towards, it's going against the finance companies . the consumers have companies. the consumers have got more rights. they have a lot more rights on stuff , got more rights. they have a lot more rights on stuff, and got more rights. they have a lot more rights on stuff , and they more rights on stuff, and they can complain more and everything. so a lot of the finance companies have just shut up, right? i know. one one major finance used work for finance company used to work for and have shut my book. they won't take anyone. they won't take any new customers home. they can't make profits. but then they can. but then then they can. yeah, but then they into the other sectors. they go into the other sectors. they're big firms and all they're the big firms and all that. they will finance buildings projects. buildings and big, big projects. yeah saying yeah, yeah. well and of course house repossessions when interest rates go as well. final thought, shaun, you said to me before in the green room

you were a bit of a fan of gb news. yeah, i love it. finally view well. well that's view as well. well that's absolutely only absolutely you're the only one saw prime should be saw prime minister should be well i'm afraid we got rishi sunak and boris trouser trouble is i wasn't we had a we've got a two party system and i wasn't part of that little club i tried my run effect change and yeah i do believe in the country and i hope this channel is making a difference. are you finding people are talking about it more out there? yeah, it is. i mean, this i think the country's failed growth coming from the naive growth and yeah, it's you know used to be proud to be british but now just can we turn it around ? what this country. it around? what this country. yeah. now it's gone . do you know yeah. now it's gone. do you know what you know what the countries been through bad times before ? i been through bad times before? i think we can turn it around and not pretend it's going to be easy, but we're doing our best here. on gb news to turn the narrative around and make people more positive. what absolute more positive. what an absolute

pleasure. thanks for having me. thank you . okay yeah. if you thank you. okay yeah. if you want to repossess my car, i'm not going to fight it. believe you me. now it's time to barrage the barrage. you've got some questions for me. let's see what the crop is today. geoff why are we facing another banking crisis 7 we facing another banking crisis ? well, no lessons learned from 2008 2009. well, you , geoff, if 2008 2009. well, you, geoff, if you believe that what happened in 2008, 2009, because there was too much debt. well, i can tell you that these few years on national debt corporate debt and personal debt is even higher in 2023 than it was back during the great financial crisis 2008, where there's more debt , there where there's more debt, there will always be high levels of default. as we learned from my previous guest, default. as we learned from my previous guest , the repo man previous guest, the repo man make asks would you pay watch the bbc do you know? i still

think that the bbc's important in this sense i think around the rest of the world people think the bbc matters. i think that the bbc matters. i think that the world service matters . so the world service matters. so what i pay to watch what i pay to watch a bbc news channel. yes, actually, i probably would. i would. and i think i should have that choice. i don't want to see the bbc completely aboush to see the bbc completely abolish , but i do think it makes abolish, but i do think it makes more sense for our international role , namely the world service role, namely the world service and other things that should be funded out the foreign office, as opposed to licence fee. i've got time quickly for one more. alex asks, what is your favourite tv show ? oh was favourite tv show? oh was absolutely no question what it is. it's new. it's only been around for a couple of weeks. it's hosted by a fellow . i like it's hosted by a fellow. i like him very much. some people think he's a bit out of date and a bit old fashioned, but you know, you can't help that in the fact the chat went to eton buddies. he

celebrates today because the eton harry cricket match apparently is going to continue tradition actually succeeded tradition has actually succeeded . lords of my favourite . lords of course, my favourite show is jacob rees—mogg on jacob. good evening. thank you. flattery that's extremely kind. i'll get a very big head it if people like that the budget yesterday slightly cool reaction yesterday slightly cool reaction yes the chancellor was very limited in what he could do that we have a debt the deficit is still large and we spent 400 billion on covid. so he was quite constrained. yeah but at least it's steady . what have you least it's steady. what have you got tonight? well, i am going to be talking about the eton harry match, slightly gloating which is being brought back and it's one the weaker one in the eye for the weaker who to stop it a year who wanted to stop it a year ago. good what are you going to get that from jacob rees—mogg the moment so much more i am the moment and so much more i am done for now. i'll be back with you on monday i'm going to you on monday and i'm going to be out in the country once again trying to save and preserve a great historic heritage site . great historic heritage site. but before all of that, let's

get the all important weather . get the all important weather. hello there. i'm greg hurst. welcome to our latest broadcast from the met office. over the next few days, it stays on settled with see showers. some longer spells rain in places, longer spells of rain in places, too. there will be some too. but there will be some sunshine and temperatures above average. at the bigger average. looking at the bigger picture, dominates picture, pressure dominates the weather as we move weather pattern as we move through the week through the rest of the week into the weekend showers or longer so brisk longer spells rain so brisk winds times two but perhaps winds at times two but perhaps a dner winds at times two but perhaps a drier interlude as move into drier interlude as we move into sunday. so back to this evening . lots of cloud across the uk, some showery outbreaks of rain moving north—east, a damp and across southeastern to stay similar as we head into the early hours friday morning. some showers in places as a result, the lots of cloud around temperatures remaining above freezing . so a frost free start freezing. so a frost free start to friday morning. lots of cloud around showery outbreaks of rain, but there will be a few glimmers of sunshine as we head through the day. we should see more in the way of blue skies developing, particularly across parts into the midlands parts of wales into the midlands , but this , northeast england. but this will some showers as

will spark some heavy showers as we through into the we move through into the afternoon. but in between some dry spells and feeling quite warm in sunshine. highs warm in the sunshine. highs around 16 degrees, still a little breezy around some southern and western coasts into the evening time on friday. still some showers pushing north and eastwards, perhaps some longer. spells of rain possible across of england across seven counties of england .then across seven counties of england . then later on across western parts of scotland. but overall, again , a cloudy night to take us again, a cloudy night to take us into saturday morning, meaning temperatures staying well above freezing for also another frost freezing for also another frost free start saturday morning . it free start saturday morning. it means a lot of cloud around. first thing to start the weekend, some showery outbreaks of rain in places but similar to friday, we should start to see the cloud breaking as we move through the morning into the. but this again will spark a few heavy showers. perhaps the odd rumble of thunder, too. so you might probably you're might need probably if you're out at the same, out and about and at the same, a weather front moving the northwest, should become dry northwest, it should become dry as we head into sunday. it's feeling a little bit cooler as well, but more rain as we head

into monday monday.

good evening . good evening. i'm good evening . i'm jacob good evening. i'm jacob rees—mogg, state of the nation tonight. the chancellor's financial statement yesterday continues to dominate the public debate to tax or to card to that is the question . in a moment, is the question. in a moment, i will be joined by former business secretary and liberal democrat titan sir vince cable . democrat titan sir vince cable. trumping the outcome of the last two days. and to paraphrase the apparently well—known artist, kishore . tick tock on the clock kishore. tick tock on the clock the party has come to a stop, at least for the use of the chinese video sharing app on government telephone ins. if it's too dangerous for them , why isn't it dangerous for them, why isn't it too dangerous for my children and eating mess created by cricket authorities at lord's

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