7 .7 then, despite on this crisis? then, despite the discovery of legionella on the discovery of legionella on the bibby stockholm , ministers the bibby stockholm, ministers are going ahead with more barges for asylum seekers and also student halls are being considered as well . and stay considered as well. and stay tuned because coming up at the end of the hour, calling someone a grumpy old man could be considered a hate crime. i know . anyway, please do get in touch. send us your thoughts on vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb news. but first, let's get the news headlines with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> emily, thank you. good afternoon . the top story from afternoon. the top story from the gb newsroom is that 509 migrants crossed the english channelin migrants crossed the english channel in ten small boats yesterday . that brings the total yesterday. that brings the total for the year so far to more than 16,500. and that's according to home office figures. it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died

crossing the english channel yesterday. as you've just heard, the home secretary , suella the home secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she'd chaired a meeting with border force officials immediately afterwards , as campaigners also say, the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy. kate marsh, who's manager and support coordinator at the migrant charity samphire , says there charity samphire, says there are, however, safe and legal ways for migrants to come to the uk. not a lot of people do know what the options for safe legal routes are, but of course we use humanitarian visas with the ukrainian situation. >> people were brought here safely and legally, never having to navigate the asylum system or get into a small boat so it can be done. we do have mechanisms available, but they're very, very narrow and they don't catch everyone that is allowed to be here. so it's we know now that nothing is going to work. nothing is going to deter people. we need to start looking at how we get them here safely and process them quickly . and process them quickly. >> patients in scotland and

wales could soon be able to access nhs treatment they need in england to cut long waiting lists. the health secretary, steve barclay, says he's open to requests and he's invited both scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can tackle waiting times in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting over a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,000 people in scotland have been waiting about the same penod been waiting about the same period of time for their appointments. secretary of state for wales david davis says everyone should have access to the health care they need and it is a national health service and there's a clue in the name there and everyone across the united kingdom the same kingdom is paying the same amount of tax towards the nhs kingdom is paying the same amoitit of tax towards the nhs kingdom is paying the same amoit is )f tax towards the nhs kingdom is paying the same amoit is therefore ards the nhs kingdom is paying the same amoit is therefore manifestly-is and it is therefore manifestly wrong that some in parts wrong that some people in parts of the united kingdom are waiting two years for waiting over two years for treatment. >> never happen >> that would never happen where, conservatives where, frankly the conservatives running . and so we're running the nhs. and so we're offering give patients in offering to give patients in wales rights they wales the same rights that they would in which is

would get in england, which is to, they're prepared to to, if they're prepared to travel, they can go to any hospital which can offer them the they need. the treatment they need. >> now government says it's >> now the government says it's going to bring forward changes to regulation around single sex toilets in public spaces . all toilets in public spaces. all new non—domestic public and private buildings will be required to provide separate single sex toilets for men and women , or a self—contained women, or a self—contained private toilet as a minimum. women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says gender neutral toilets has removed the right for privacy in public facilities and the new regulations will protect the dignity and safety of all. his majesty. the king says he's horrified over the devastation caused by the wildfire fires engulfing the hawaiians island of maui. and he's offered his condolences to the victims affected local sources in maui have confirmed that at least 93 people are known to have lost their lives, making it the deadliest us wildfire in more than 100 years. the number of

dead as well expected to rise as more bodies are found. search teams with sniffer dogs sifted through the ruins of lahaina for days after a fast moving blaze levelled the historic resort. a obliterating buildings and melted cars . robert kennedy , jr. melted cars. robert kennedy, jr. whose father and uncle were assassins , noted because of assassins, noted because of their political views , has bid their political views, has bid to run as the democratic president for the us president in 2024. his uncle, president john f kennedy, was famously assassinated in 1963, as was his father while running for the democratic presidential nomination in 1968. robert kennedy jr is in fact the fifth member of his family to run for president of the united states and is aware of the risks of running for office. >> i think all of it, everybody in my family is aware of the risk . but, in my family is aware of the risk. but, you in my family is aware of the risk . but, you know, i think risk. but, you know, i think like, you know, life is filled with risks. so and i think once

cheryl was convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like, you know , because i have a passion know, because i have a passion to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that. that she gave me the green light. >> robert f kennedy junior speaking there . you're watching speaking there. you're watching gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car, on digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> thank you very much, polly. so so after the tragic death of six migrants yesterday, the government is under acute pressure to crack down on trafficking gangs and stop the boats. now, despite the incident , yesterday was the fourth busiest day of the year with

over 500 migrants crossing the channel alone. accusations channel alone. so accusations have since been levelled at the french authorities for not doing more to prevent the boats from leaving coast. in the leaving the french coast. in the first a french patrol first place. a french patrol boat was escorting the boat when it began to sink about nine miles out to sea. that's according reports . so let's according to reports. so let's make sense of this all . according to reports. so let's make sense of this all. i'm joined gb news political joined by gb news political correspondent utley correspondent olivia utley olivier for after the tragedy . olivier for after the tragedy. six deaths in the channel yesterday . what has the yesterday. what has the political reaction been from the government and also the opposition on? >> well, this tragedy is really highlighted just what a difficult challenge this problem is for the government. ever since last summer when rishi sunak became prime minister he's been saying that one of his top five priorities is to stop the boats. he has said that over and over again. but as things are looking, it doesn't seem as though he's succeeding on thursday, 755 migrants crossed the channel in a single day. thatis

the channel in a single day. that is a record. and of course, yesterday we had the tragedy of six migrants dying in the channel. now the political reaction is we've seen a lot of finger pointing. we've seen conservative backbenchers blame the french, but the french have pointed out that it is very, very difficult for them to stop the boats. there is a 50 mile stretch of channel that needs to be of it very be policed. most of it very dark, sand dunes, and dark, covered in sand dunes, and they only have about two minutes between when the migrants leave the beach and when they're out to sea, when they're actually allowed to intercept. according to sea law, it is not possible for french police, any police to intercept a boat once it has set sailing for fear of losing life. so there is a really small interval there where the french are able to intervene . of are able to intervene. of course, had the opposition course, we've had the opposition blaming government blaming. the government says that migration , it's entire that it's migration, it's entire migration is in crisis migration policy is in crisis and you can sort of see where they're coming from. the bibby stockholm barge that's stockholm there's barge that's been launched out in dorset supposed to house 500 migrants, has now had to be cleared because legionnaire's disease because of legionnaire's disease , legionnaires disease

, risk of legionnaires disease from a particular type of bacteria. it's really, really bacteria. so it's really, really difficult see where we go difficult to see where we go from here. we know that this is just a just a hotter political subject as poll after poll subject as ever. poll after poll shows people the uk shows that people in the uk desperately want this migrant crisis to be solved once and for all. but for all of the government's best efforts for all of its policies to find a places migrants for all places to house migrants for all of its deals with certain countries, it's reached a deal with year to send with albania this year to send albanian migrants back immediately without having to go through long and laborious through the long and laborious processes that we normally have to migrants from to go through with migrants from other countries. all of these policies come very policies have come into very sticky water indeed. and it feels now as though this is turning into a bit of a solution with no problem . lots and lots with no problem. lots and lots of finger pointing, but no one coming with an idea of coming up with an idea of exactly do and how. exactly what to do and how. >> that's well, exactly spot on. in your assessment there, it has been a disastrous week for the conservatives in terms of stopping the boats. it was supposed to be about all of

their announcements that were going this going to help solve this problem. we breached the problem. instead we breached the 100,000 mark instead , we had 100,000 mark instead, we had briefings about ascension island , which came to nothing. we had , of course, the barge, the fiasco over the bibby stockholm barge and then, of course, these sad deaths in the channel. it's also been and the sunday telegraph that ministers are considering more barges despite legionella being being found on the bibby , stockholm, more the bibby, stockholm, more barges and also the use of office and student accommodation i >> -- >> well , absolutely. the >> well, absolutely. the government is desperate to find a way to house all of the migrants who are over here. there is already a backlog of 170,000. now, even if bibby stockholm was at full capacity and at the moment, as we know, it's been evacuated, it would only fit migrants. so only fit 500 migrants. so ministers are always desperately looking of places looking for solutions of places to house them. well the barge policy doesn't seem to be working too well so far. even before this legionnaires

bacteria threat, there were risks of fire safety. there was huge, huge local opposition . we huge, huge local opposition. we saw the local council take the government to court over it. so barges aren't particularly easy. another problem is that those quite a lot of ports simply don't want to house these barges. there are a few small ports that are happy strike ports that are happy to strike deals with government, but deals with the government, but lots of the larger ones simply aren't yes , aren't interested. so, yes, ministers are hoping that they might more might be able to get more barges, pretty tricky barges, but that's pretty tricky . another that's . another plan that's been mooted week is student mooted this week is student accommodation . leftover student accommodation. leftover student accommodation. leftover student accommodation could be used in theory to house migrants . theory to house migrants. sheffield university is one that has been touted , but that's not has been touted, but that's not simple either. there are a couple of universities, coventry and sheffield being among them, where there is spare accommodation going. most university towns, though, as we know , are absolutely packed to know, are absolutely packed to the rafters. so that isn't simple either. barracks is another option and that is does seem to be working quite well. there haven't been legal challenges to government plans to house migrants on barracks ,

to house migrants on barracks, but obviously there simply aren't enough of them. and at the moment , aren't enough of them. and at the moment, as we know, as we're being reminded every day, migrants staying in hotels migrants are staying in hotels at a cost of £6 million a day to the taxpayer . so this is another the taxpayer. so this is another problem for the government that it needs to sort out it desperately needs to sort out very quickly. indeed. they are squandering political capital as this problem simply intensifies. but you can see the issues very few solutions. >> thank you very much indeed. olivia utley. the gb news political correspondent, bringing us up to date on the government's attempts to solve the migration crisis after the tragedy yesterday in the channel. but with me in the studio is claire pearsall and i also have paul embry with me. it's hard to know where to start with all this, but we'll start with all this, but we'll start with the tragedy yesterday. clare what lessons should we learn? should the government learn? should the government learn from what happened in the channel this is not going to stop and i think that's the really stark reality of this as much as the government wants to

stop the boats and it's putting it on podiums and it's making it one of its five pledges, it isn't going to stop just by speaking to france, for example i >> -- >> it needs much more communication with the international community. there aren't any simple answers. and anybody who says that this is really simple to solve it shouldn't be allowed to have that conversation because there are so many parts that need to be looked at. there are so many complicated and probably unpopular need unpopular decisions that need to be the government be made, and the government doesn't to be keen doesn't really seem to be keen on making any of them. >> don't think that even >> so you don't think that even a scheme would work? >> it's hard to say if it would work because as we've seen, there are so many legal challenges to it. >> if it's meant to be a deterrent ant, then that's all well and good. but you have the home saying a home secretary saying what a marvellous i like marvellous place this is. i like the design. i want the interior design. i want everybody to come and see it. rwanda's great. well that's not really a deterrent factor then. rwanda's great. well that's not re it's a deterrent factor then. rwanda's great. well that's not re it's meant rrent factor then. rwanda's great. well that's not re it's meant rrent fso or then. rwanda's great. well that's not re it's meant rrent fso brilliant if it's meant to be so brilliant and also we haven't seen a single person leave on an

aeroplane over there. so it's not going be deterrent and not going to be a deterrent and i it's ever going to work. >> now, yesterday six >> now, paul, yesterday six people died in the channel. if that's not a deterrent, then what is? >> i mean , i think that probably >> i mean, i think that probably some kind of offshore process in is the only really answer. i think rwanda has clearly got its faults in terms of a scheme. i don't like the idea that, you know, if people go if people, you know, go to rwanda, they end up staying in rwanda. i think if you're going to have an offshore processing then i think processing system, then i think it's reasonable to say, okay, you're processed offshore. but if it's found subsequently that you have a genuine case that you know you're a genuine asylum seeker , i see no reason why seeker, i see no reason why those people can't then be transferred back to the uk . so transferred back to the uk. so i have some real problems with rwanda in the way that it's been . it's been designed, but i think an offshore processing system would go some way, i think, to breaking the business

model in the sense that that you need to , to, you know, stop the need to, to, you know, stop the incentive really for people to be taking these risks a paying lots of money to the traffickers and then be getting into flimsy boats and going across the channel. and if people think, look, when they get to the other end, they're almost going to be welcomed with open arms. you know, we send the message lots of people in this country, refugees are welcome here. they see all the legal challenges to rwanda and that getting bogged down, all that's doing is down, then all that's doing is encouraging more people encouraging more and more people to i would say as to come. and what i would say as well, has got well, emily, no one has got a monopoly of compassion in in this know, the this debate. you know, the people believe in strong people who believe in strong borders believe a robust borders and believe in a robust immigration policy for me are no less compassionate than people who put placards up saying refugees welcome here. because by putting that placard up, you're actually encouraging more and more people to come. but on the broader political point, i would is a would say, look, it is clearly a complete shambles and it has been a shambles for a long, long time. and as a result of government, successive

governments, i think not getting to grips with the shambles. so sadly, immigration has become a running sore again in our political discourse in a way that for a lot of years it had stopped. you know, becoming a talking point in our politics. but because people see that the system not managed system is not managed properly, it's become an issue again. and in many respects that's that's that's tragedy. in many respects that's that's thajust tragedy. in many respects that's that's thajust quickly dy. in many respects that's that's thajust quickly ,y. in many respects that's that's thajust quickly , clare, now >> just quickly, clare, now there's a of finger there's been a lot of finger pointing, as olivia said in her report, there a lot of blame towards the french. there are claims that that the french escorted this boat and that was when it capsized . they were when it capsized. they were taking it across to uk waters as firstly, were they right to take it across to uk waters? if that's if that's the case? and can we level the blame at the french? they say, oh, it's very difficult for us manage this difficult for us to manage this situation can't intercept. situation. we can't intercept. et cetera . but are et cetera. et cetera. but are they to blame? we are paying £500 million the next 2 or £500 million over the next 2 or 3 years. >> think they do have a part >> i think they do have a part to play. let's all be clear on that. but the coastline is

difficult . and i've stood on the difficult. and i've stood on the french coastline in the middle of january in a cold winter's night looking at the problems that they have. it is very dark. there are sand dunes. it's inaccessible all. and there is a problem of maritime law, whether they were escorting the boat in some international waters. i don't know if that's going to be true. those are just reports that we've had at the moment. so i we need to wait and see i think we need to wait and see if that is the case. then the government absolute needs to push the french push back against the french government that. government for doing that. but as there aren't any easy as i say, there aren't any easy answers. yes, the french have a part play. yes, the uk does, part to play. yes, the uk does, but the european union as but also the european union as a whole needs to also play a part. well, yes , this will certainly well, yes, this will certainly focus more than they focus minds even more than they already on this challenge. already were on this challenge. >> you're watching and listening already were on this challenge. >>gb u're watching and listening already were on this challenge. >>gb news atching and listening already were on this challenge. >> gb news sunday and listening already were on this challenge. >> gb news sunday with.istening already were on this challenge. >> gb news sunday with me,1ing already were on this challenge. >>gb news sunday with me, emily to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. know what you carver. let me know what you think clare paul think about what clare and paul have said there about what olivia political olivia has said, the political reaction, or you think we reaction, or do you think we need a stronger deterrent? reaction, or do you think we neeithinkronger deterrent? reaction, or do you think we neeithink deterrence rrent? reaction, or do you think we neeithink deterrence even’ reaction, or do you think we neeithink deterrence even works you think deterrence even works 7 you think deterrence even works ? like it just seems we're failing on all fronts, but we've got lots coming up on

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lots of you have been getting in touch about the channel rescue yesterday. ray has had to say this country is heading towards a end game. no a catastrophic end game. no further context given from ray. but i think you don't seem to have much confidence in this problem being solved. and i can imagine now paul has written in, he says , when hearing about the he says, when hearing about the unfortunate of the unfortunate deaths of the migrants the english channel, migrants in the english channel, it doing it seems that the rnli are doing an lot of work in these an awful lot of work in these rescue operations , bearing in rescue operations, bearing in mind are a charitable mind they are a charitable organisation. if organisation. we have to ask if the british government are making any financial contribution towards the massive costs they are incurring to costs that they are incurring to carry out these rescues. i mean, i think the british government is spending millions, if not hundreds millions on this hundreds of millions on this trying to stop the boats and also to help in terms of interceptions , tony says. we interceptions, tony says. we have a british navy. why aren't we using it? good question . we using it? good question. perhaps keep your views coming in. subscribe to our youtube channel, follow us on socials . channel, follow us on socials. we're so continuing we're at gb news. so continuing on this , the government is of

on this, the government is of course under even more pressure to stop the boats after this particular tragedy in the channel. i think this is the biggest tragedy in the channel in terms of the number of deaths since november 2021. and despite it, over 500 people crossed the channel yesterday alone. that's the fourth busiest day of the entire year. this must be a wake up call to those seeking to block the government's plans. surely but let's speak to immigration lawyer ivan sampson to get his view on this. ivan a lot of people are saying this demonstrates once again the human cost of people trafficking, the human cost of allowing this route to still be used in this way. allowing this route to still be used in this way . what do you used in this way. what do you think we need to learn from what happened yesterday? >> i think it's a tragedy that we have international obugafions we have international obligations under maritime law to rescue people at sea and that both for the french and the and the uk government and these are obugafions the uk government and these are obligations irrespective of whether someone's an asylum

seeker or not. >> so it's an absolute tragedy. but i was interested to hear your question about when will this end? well, if you look at asylum applications over the last 20 they peaked in last 20 years, they peaked in around 2000, 2001 to around 85,000, and they gradually went down up until 2021. and peaked between 21 and 22. and have doubled since then. and the reason is this is that because there's more conflict around the world and i'm afraid while there's conflict around the world, we will get people fleeing those conflicts areas and heading to the west. you won't stop that. >> so we should just accept that people are going to get on dinghies in calais or elsewhere along the french coast and get here. so we may as well just pick them up en route and bring them over . pick them up en route and bring them over. now >> not at all. this is an international problem no single country can solve this problem by itself. if you look back in 2001, we had 84,000 applications. i was a young lawyer then dealing with these

asylum applications, mostly from somalia . well, we don't have any somalia. well, we don't have any much somalis now seeking asylum . and what we have is people from syria, eritrea, afghanistan and iran. those are the conflict areas. no, while we get a treaty with france , which we with france, which we desperately need , the only desperately need, the only people that can stop people getting on the boats is a sovereign state where they're getting on the boats in the first place. we can't do it. only the french can. we need to have that treaty that needs to be done. whatever trading be done. whatever horse trading needs to be done by this government, they need it. government, they need to do it. but simple things the but the simple things the government can now, which government can do now, which they were doing back in 2001, 85,000 applications, we only have 50,000 last year is they had proper levels of decision making. so they had adequate interpreters . one of the biggest interpreters. one of the biggest problems we have at the moment is that asylum seekers don't have interpreters. they don't have interpreters. they don't have proper access to legal advice , and it slows the whole

advice, and it slows the whole system down. we've actually got double the number of caseworkers, but hang on, ivan. the number of asylum decision since last year has gone down by 57. >> so i take what you're saying simple things is too. >> i take what you're saying, ivan, but in terms of stopping the boats travelling from, um, calais and the french coast to this country, how how can we solve that? >> because these are extremely dangerous crossings, as was proven yesterday with the deaths in the channel. the french authorities are saying it's too difficult for them to intercept the boats once they've got off the boats once they've got off the shore . we're paying £500 the shore. we're paying £500 million or so to the french over the next couple of years for them to do that to police the coast and to intercept these boats. but that doesn't seem to be working. so what is the what can the government do? can the french authorities do to stop people literally getting into boats and making that journey ?

boats and making that journey? >> well, i think the mindset's wrong. it's not about stopping boats . this is an wrong. it's not about stopping boats. this is an international problem and countries have to. >> ivan, sorry, but you keep saying it's an international problem. do you know how many asylum seekers there in turkey over. >> oven >> oh, well, what i was going to say is that i don't think ivan's there anymore, unfortunately. >> the thing is, we hear we hear a lot, claire, about this is an international problem. and you said this an said that, too. this is an international problem. but we have cooperate have been trying to cooperate with . the with other countries. the government with government have been trying with the french authorities. nothing seems be done it doesn't seems to be done or it doesn't seems to be done or it doesn't seem to make a difference to the numbers in terms of the french authorities huge authorities being given huge amounts agreements amounts of money agreements with turkey or agreements rwanda turkey or agreements with rwanda , agreements with all sorts of different countries. albania russia doesn't to be making russia doesn't seem to be making a difference. surely there needs to something on that to be something done on that french coast . the french need to french coast. the french need to take responsibility . take responsibility. >> yes, do. but also >> well, yes, they do. but also by their responsibility. but by the got the time people have got to france, you've lost that argument. you need to actually

go them they're go and stop them where they're crossing is crossing the borders, which is in the mediterranean. it is in places turkey. and the uk in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned turkey. and the uk in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned ajrkey. and the uk in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned a deal. and the uk in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned a deal with the uk in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned a deal with turkey[ in the mediterranean. it is in placsigned a deal with turkey to has signed a deal with turkey to crack down on those people, trafficking gangs working out of the centre of istanbul , which is the centre of istanbul, which is great because that is where they're coming from and then they're coming from and then they transported they are transported down through lose the through europe. you lose the argument as as they get argument as soon as they get into , you've lost that. into france, you've lost that. so i think that paul was right about the processing centres being placed abroad and i don't think this is a bad idea. we have embassies that could be fully staffed up. we could use unhcr refugee camps because if you stop the pull of only being able to claim asylum in the united kingdom by physically being in the united kingdom, then you break that. >> that wouldn't help with non—genuine claims, though, >> that wouldn't help with non—git?1ine claims, though, >> that wouldn't help with non—git? because ns, though, >> that wouldn't help with non—git? because ns, thouldn't would it? because you wouldn't go centre if you go to a processing centre if you knew didn't have a great knew you didn't have a great claim for asylum, would you? >> think you always >> paul i think you will always have try to get have people who will try to get here illegally. even you had here illegally. even if you had , you know, sort of system , you know, the sort of system that claire is advocating, where you people from unhcr you select people from unhcr

camps, example , and you camps, for example, and you capped it at a particular figure, say 20,000, and there would always be people who were denied the opportunity were were told that they can't come and we'll try illegal methods to get in. the question then becomes how do you then make sure you manage that situation and how do you make sure that people aren't able to jump the queue like that? because i have to say, i think there's a really terrible myth got up about this country that somehow we're anti refugee and actually we're not. i think if you spoke to the vast majority of people out there in the uk, i think most people would say yes, as a country we should take our fair share of refugees. other countries do it. there's absolutely no reason why we as a relatively prosper , we as a relatively prosper, civilised country shouldn't do it. what people get angry about is when they see people breaking the rules. that's the thing. people get angry when they think actually, you know , i'm in actually, you know, i'm in favour of taking genuine refugees who are in camps near

refugees who are in camps near refugee camps, near war zones , refugee camps, near war zones, for example. but i'm not particularly in favour of taking people in who have got to calais in france , a safe country have in france, a safe country have come across of their own volition, will often come from peaceful countries themselves, like albania , syria and people. like albania, syria and people. then say, well, that's not refugee , that's not a refugee, refugee, that's not a refugee, that's an economic migrant . and that's an economic migrant. and it's unlikely. >> it's unlikely, although of course many are granted asylum coming from that route or have beenin coming from that route or have been in the past to date . but, been in the past to date. but, you know, it could very much be the case that there are people in far more danger that can't pay in far more danger that can't pay thousands of euros to people traffickers to cross that dangerous route to come here so we don't get the most genuine claims. paul, in some cases. so you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me, emily carver. let me know what you think. what is the solution to this do have one? this problem? do you have one? it seem the it doesn't seem like the government able one government is able to get one over the line. for that's sure. we've got lots more coming up on today's doctors on today's show. junior doctors on strike their demanding strike again. their demanding a pay

strike again. their demanding a pay matches inflation. pay rise that matches inflation. the offered pay rise that matches inflation. the 6, offered pay rise that matches inflation. the 6, the offered pay rise that matches inflation. the 6, the doctorsed pay rise that matches inflation. the 6, the doctors say around 6, but the doctors say this isn't enough. how more this isn't enough. how many more appointments cancelled ? appointments will be cancelled? and with waiting lists in the devolved nations that's hit a crisis point. should patients in scotland or wales be referred to england for care? that's what steve barclay has written, so i'll stuck into that after i'll get stuck into that after the news with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> and the top stories this houn >> and the top stories this hour, 509 migrants crossed the engush hour, 509 migrants crossed the english channel in ten small boats yesterday . that brings the boats yesterday. that brings the total for the year so far to more than 16,500, according to the home office. and it comes as the home office. and it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant boat crisis after six people lost their lives crossing the channel yesterday. the home secretary , suella braverman, secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she chaired a meeting with border force officials . with border force officials. campaigners also say the incident was appalling and preventable while mps from all

sides now are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profiteering from dangerous crossings as well, as you've been hearing, crossings as well, as you've been hearing , people crossings as well, as you've been hearing, people in crossings as well, as you've been hearing , people in scotland been hearing, people in scotland and wales could soon be able to access nhs treatment in england to cut long waiting lists . to cut long waiting lists. health secretary steve barclay says he's open to requests and ianes says he's open to requests and invites both scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk could coordinate to tackle waiting times in wales. more than 73,000 people have been waiting over a year and a half for treatment and over 20,000 people in scotland have also been waiting about the same period of time for their appointment. ice and labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps. so apply teacher spending has doubled in the last year and labour says its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people would more than fill teacher vacancies and temporarily filled roles, giving stability for children worst affected by teacher vacancies.

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happenedin getting in touch about what happened in the channel yesterday with the death of six migrants their boat migrants because their boat capsized in french waters. we're asking what can be done? what is the solution ? what do you say? the solution? what do you say? well, wendy's been in touch and she says the migrants must be rescued and immediately returned to france. the french do not mind our rescue vessels in their waters, as was clearly shown yesterday. yes, a lot of people asking why , if this happened, asking why, if this happened, only a few miles off the coast of france , where many of the of france, where many of the migrants rescued to the uk, there's also questions that have been raised in the sunday papers about whether this boat capsized while it was being escorted by french patrol boats to the uk. we don't have confirmation on that yet, but these are from various sources. andrew says. hi emily. it's simple. you take them back to france again. same thing . and jody says , yes, take thing. and jody says, yes, take them back to france . but it them back to france. but it seems that a lot of people think thatis seems that a lot of people think that is the solution if you take them back to france. claire then they won't be to get it

they won't be able to get it here. then that will as here. and then that will act as a it seems to be a deterrent. but it seems to be a deterrent. but it seems to be a little more complicated. >> it is. and if you're a british vessel , you >> it is. and if you're a british vessel, you can't just pitch france and just pitch up in france and just offload people. i mean, how are you going to do that? how are offload people. i mean, how are you physicallyo that? how are offload people. i mean, how are you physically going? how are offload people. i mean, how are you physically going toiow are offload people. i mean, how are you physically going to getare offload people. i mean, how are you physically going to get them off your boat? we've all seen that can be aggressive. that they can be aggressive. they be frightened. they can be frightened. there can ill health so can be ill health involved. so i think a really think that it's a really dangerous to our dangerous position to put our border know border force in. and i know people going have any people aren't going to have any sympathy but i think sympathy with that. but i think your point on rescuing the rnli were because were out there because a distress call was made. the french needed some assistance. there was a border force cutter already out there dealing with another incident . so the rnli another incident. so the rnli went there. and i think it's went out there. and i think it's really unfair that people point the finger at rnli and say that they shouldn't be helping because they absolutely should. and i think we are all to going be grateful for their help one day. so i think that needs to be put side. and if the put to one side. and if the french are escorting them into international waters as we've said, then that needs to be dean said, then that needs to be

dealt with because that isn't in the spirit of anything to do with maritime law. and it's not in spirit immigration in the spirit of immigration law. >> conservative mp in the >> one conservative mp in the mail on sunday today, paul, is quoted saying , if the french quoted as saying, if the french are escorting these boats , yes, are escorting these boats, yes, it might seem like the kind thing to do at that moment, but actually it is encouraging more and more people to make this treacherous journey and leading to more deaths potentially. yeah i think that is the effect of it. >> and i think it certainly would, you know, call the french government's bluff if the royal navy border force , whoever it navy border force, whoever it is, decide actually we are going to transfer the migrants from the dinghy onto one of our own vessels and take them back and dock and release them. now, i'm not saying that that should happen , but if the french happen, but if the french government is as serious as it claims to be about wanting to cooperate with the uk and wanting to stem the flow, then you would have to ask yourself, well, what legitimate argument

would they have against that if they were really motivated to help us? because it strikes me that i mean, first of all, i think there's a lot of doubt over how committed the french are to me, it seems common sense that the french would be quite happy keep the movement going. >> and that's a that's exactly what i mean about calling their bluff. >> you know, will they agree to this? they don't, then why this? if they don't, then why won't they? doesn't that won't they? and doesn't that undermine argument undermine their whole argument that willing to that they're willing to cooperate think it cooperate with us? i think it probably there's no getting cooperate with us? i think it probafrom there's no getting cooperate with us? i think it probafrom the here's no getting cooperate with us? i think it probafrom the fact�*s no getting cooperate with us? i think it probafrom the fact that getting cooperate with us? i think it probafrom the fact that manyg away from the fact that many people home emailing in people at home are emailing in to feels like we haven't to say it feels like we haven't simply the space in simply haven't got the space in this the moment. this country at the moment. >> there is that with >> and there is that with the pressures on housing, the difficulties government are difficulties the government are facing of just getting facing in terms of just getting accommodation , mean, the accommodation, i mean, the barge, was a fiasco, but barge, yes, it was a fiasco, but it was more a symbol of how difficult it for difficult it is for the government grip on the government to get a grip on the amount of pressure is. you amount of pressure there is. you can office for can blame the home office for not processing claims quick enough, but not any enough, but i'm not sure any home office be able to home office would be able to process claims with process that. many claims with hundreds in hundreds arrive in just yesterday but anyway, we

yesterday alone. but anyway, we move junior doctors continue move on. junior doctors continue their latest four day strike. it's the official figures released this week suggest their 16 days of industrial action have already cost the nhs £1 billion. and with waiting lists continuing to rise , a letter to continuing to rise, a letter to the devolved nations, the health secretary, steve barclay, has written and offered scottish and welsh patients experiencing, experiencing lengthy waits in wales in scotland. he's offered them alternative care in england. this comes as welsh secretary david davis said the labour run nhs in wales is on its knees . lots of political its knees. lots of political point scoring there, but joining me now is former nhs trust ceo dr. peter carter, obe have you heard this story, peter, of steve barclay having written a letter to the devolved nations, essentially saying you've got even worse waiting lists than in england. if you've got patients waiting months and months, they can be offered care in england

instead ? instead? >> well, look, emily, across the four countries, the united kingdom , every health system is kingdom, every health system is experiencing huge difficulties and massive strains . and massive strains. >> and i think the four countries should work together to see if there are solutions . to see if there are solutions. and i just hope this isn't a point scoring gimmick to try to deflect away from the undoubted pressures. there are in england. and as i say in england, you have the conservative party , have the conservative party, scotland, the snp , wales, scotland, the snp, wales, laboun scotland, the snp, wales, labour, they're all struggling to different levels and what's not going to be particularly helpful is over the next 4 or 5 days we get a kind of ping pong of different statistics of different countries saying how they're doing better because that would just be an unproductive exercise . unproductive exercise. >> yes, i think steve barclay is trying to highlight that there is, in his words , a variation of is, in his words, a variation of performance across the nhs service and presumably he is

very much pointing to the snp and labour run services to say , and labour run services to say, oh, the conservatives are running the nhs better than you are. but of course waiting lists in england are terrible . well as in england are terrible. well as well. 7.6 million people waiting on those lists strikes are only making this worse . making this worse. >> yeah, i mean i think it's very unfortunate and as i said on gb news, the other morning, if i was the secretary of state or the prime minister, i would re—invite the junior doctors in. well, well, the doctors, the bma , because the consultants are also taking industrial action. i'd sit down and say, look, can we try and find a way forward ? we try and find a way forward? now, 35% is never going to happen. now, 35% is never going to happen . i mean, it's just it's happen. i mean, it's just it's just out of the question. but that's their opening bid. and i would look to see if you could find an accommoda ation and find a middle ground in order to put this to bed. and then collectively, everybody can get back to doing what we want to do

, as that is to attack those waiting lists. that would be a sensible way forward for me . sensible way forward for me. >> do you think junior doctors are at risk of losing the moral high ground, though, when you consider you consider waiting lists and you consider waiting lists and you consider treatments being put off for months, appointments being cancelled just so that they can get a bit of a pay rise , no interest eating that public support is really holding up for the doctors as it did for the nurses and other health workers. >> i think the public recognise that, particularly during the pandemic, tens and tens of thousands of people, not just nurses and doctors and physios, but people like domestics, porters, maintenance people, were turning in day in, day out, month in, month out to the very places that most of us were trying to avoid hospitals were full of people with covid and i do think it would have been ethically and morally. and i do think economically justified to have given across the board pay rise . i've actually said from

rise. i've actually said from the beginning 10% would have been a very sensible thing to do. and i was interested that just a few days ago the institute for public policy and research , they came out with research, they came out with some interesting findings saying a 10.5% pay award across the board would have made 0.1 4% board would have made 0.14% impact on inflation. so it is affordable. emily, things are difficult for all of us, but i think this would have gone a long way to have solving many of these problems. >> yeah, i think there is a concern though. well, the government has this concern. certainly would not certainly that the bma would not accept an from accept an offer from a conservative government that they might accept from perhaps they might accept from perhaps the scottish devolved government , but because of political reasons. and bma spokesperson have said something to that effect . but that's all we've got effect. but that's all we've got time for. thank you very much indeed. dr. peter carter obe there, former nhs trust ceo claire. it's actually very much the case. i'm looking at the statistics now that waiting lists are well, those very

lengthy waiting lists, those waiting 77, 78 weeks for treatment are much higher in wales and scotland . wales and scotland. >> they are, and i think that is quite interesting as to what the defence of that is going to be, because in wales, as we've seen, this is a labour run administration on. so why aren't they performing better if all they performing better if all they do is criticise they ever do is criticise a conservative government for running the nhs badly? i think the nhs as a whole needs overhauling and would take exception to your previous guest. what he said about public support because i think the pubuc support because i think the public were supportive of junior doctors being on strike and coming for, you know, wanting a fair pay. but now , now with the fair pay. but now, now with the waiting list as they are, people having appointments cancelled time after time , i think that time after time, i think that thatis time after time, i think that that is going downhill rapidly and there would no guarantee and there would be no guarantee that 10% would have ever cut the mark at the time. so i think 6% is probably good . paul, you have is probably good. paul, you have you you have a big earning power as a doctor. >> we all start on very little

money. when we first start our career . are they money. when we first start our career. are they coming money. when we first start our career . are they coming across career. are they coming across as a bit entitled now, the junior doctors? >> no, i don't think they are. we need to see it in the context of what's been happening to the economy . and the truth is that economy. and the truth is that the pay of junior doctors, which , you know, at the bottom rung of the ladder, isn't too great. i appreciate that. it clearly gets better as you as you get higher . but gets better as you as you get higher. but the pay of junior doctors has fallen off a cliff in real terms over the last decade or so. in fact, since the global financial crisis in 2008. and when people talk about the 35% claim that they've taken, which peter carter accepts is an opening bid, and i'm pretty sure it is an opening bid, but it's not really an opening bid because it's been going on for ages. >> but they're refusing to budge. >> it's their it's their claim and the government has clearly come near meeting come nowhere near to meeting 8.8% for doctors. 8.8% for junior doctors. >> i mean, it's not, you know, fantastic life changing amount, but bad. but it's not bad. >> point that was to

>> the point that i was going to make, is everybody knows >> the point that i was going to makthe is everybody knows >> the point that i was going to makthe bma is everybody knows >> the point that i was going to makthe bma knows ybody knows >> the point that i was going to makthe bma knows thaty knows >> the point that i was going to makthe bma knows that they're and the bma knows that they're not going to achieve 35. the question is whether you can exert enough leverage on the government to give you something that's reasonable. now, even in the scenario that they the outside scenario that they did get 35, all that would did get the 35, all that would do is make up for the loss of pay do is make up for the loss of pay in real terms over the last over the last 14 years or so. but look , you can't ignore the but look, you can't ignore the context, context is everything and the context is that in this country at the moment, workers are suffering the tightest squeeze on wages. absolutely. >> i agree with you. if housing, for example , were cheaper, then for example, were cheaper, then the doctors wouldn't be feel the other part and the other strike for higher and the other part of the of course, is at the context, of course, is at the context, of course, is at the same we're being the same time as we're being told workers, got to told as workers, you've got to tighten your belt. >> some our corporations are >> some of our corporations are recording record profits. the banks, the energy companies, directors pay is going up handsomely. bonuses are handsomely. city bonuses are going when ordinary workers going up. when ordinary workers see that and they're told by the government, have tighten government, you have to tighten your belts. it's for your belts. but it's fine for everybody making everybody else to be making these they angry everybody else to be making these it. they angry

everybody else to be making these it. and they angry everybody else to be making these it. and that they angry everybody else to be making these it. and that includes angry about it. and that includes junior doctors. about it. and that includes jun yes. octors. about it. and that includes jun yes. octorcheryl's just >> yes. and cheryl's just written in. she says, my husband and i have both waiting 18 and i have both been waiting 18 months two and a half years and i have both been waiting 18 motreatment./o and a half years and i have both been waiting 18 motreatment. /o awould alf years and i have both been waiting 18 motreatment./o awould strongly for treatment. we would strongly object from other object to people from other parts the uk pushing in front parts of the uk pushing in front of i imagine of us in england. i can imagine , yes. it's going to go down , yes. it's not going to go down very well if you're on a massively long waiting list in england and then someone from scotland place in the scotland takes your place in the queue. i'm not sure how if queue. but i'm not sure how if that would in that way. but that would work in that way. but yes, a vote yes, that wouldn't be a vote winner in england, don't winner in england, i don't think. someone think. now calling someone a grumpy man could get you grumpy old man could get you a criminal in scotland next criminal record in scotland next yean criminal record in scotland next year. of a hate year. the definition of a hate crime be extended to crime will be extended to include threats abusive include threats or abusive language, reference language, which reference someone's is part of someone's age. this is part of first minister humza yousaf's hate crime and public order legislation. so let's go straight back to my panel on this one because i humza yousaf has form on this , doesn't he? has form on this, doesn't he? this bill is one of the most terrifying pieces of legislation. i think i've looked at in a long time. legislation. i think i've looked at in a long time . essentially, at in a long time. essentially, he was trying to criminalise at one point what you say in your own house. >> he was. and i find this quite

disturbing that he thinks that age related comments are an arrestable offence and are a hate crime. i mean , what are you hate crime. i mean, what are you supposed to say ? why are you supposed to say? why are you allowed to say anything? because it feels a little bit if you're not allowed to say that somebody is a grumpy old man, if you're not allowed to say somebody's a young whatever it is, young scam or whatever it is, what can you say? >> so grumpy old man, maybe an accurate description . accurate description. >> and a lot of those looking at my dad in particular, it's all encompassing, but also there's things like my son who is a teenager, he calls me old because obviously anybody over the age of 20 to him is old. so what do i have to do? do i have to sit him down and have a little conversation or do i have to go ring up the police station and say, come and arrest my son? i ridiculous. i mean, it is just ridiculous. it is overreaching. >> it's i mean, it's i mean, we can laugh or we can at this can laugh or we can cry at this type thing. but the snp's type of thing. but the snp's mhairi she dismissed her mhairi black, she dismissed her women year old karens. the women as 50 year old karens. the other so she'd be hung ,

other day so she'd be hung, drawn and quartered. her up drawn and quartered. lock her up . lock her up. >> look, i think if you suffer a material detriment as a result of your biological characteristic, whether it's in employment, you're denied promotion in, for example , then promotion in, for example, then if you suffer that sort of prejudice in a material way, then i think it's right and proper that the equality act, as it does address that and allows you legal recourse . what we're you legal recourse. what we're talking about here, as i understand it, language is language . yeah, we're talking language. yeah, we're talking about something like this potentially being designated as a hate crime. and even if it's said potentially within your own home, i think that is a different game entirely. i am a near absolutist when it comes to free speech. i recognise , you free speech. i recognise, you know, the old fire in a theatre sort of thing. there are circumstances where where you know, it needs to be controlled, but short of incitement to violence or incitement to break the law , there are very few the law, there are very few circumstances i can think of

where i would say that people are not. >> i think most people would agree with you. most people are quite of different quite tolerant of different language, whether it's offensive or yes , humza yousaf or not. but yes, humza yousaf created offence of stirring created new offence of stirring up hatred, whatever that means, and that actually would be include things you say in your own home. but let me know what you think at home. you're watching and listening to gb news with me. emily news sunday with me. emily carver. lots more carver. we've got lots more coming let's take coming up. but first, let's take a at the weather with greg. a look at the weather with greg. >> looks like are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boilers , proud up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on gb news. hello >> hello there. i'm greg dewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast . looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales as low pressure moves through, but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture. low dominating the low pressure dominating the weather the few weather pattern the next few days, then pressure days, but then high pressure building we head towards building in as we head towards wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move

through the rest of the day and into early hours as this wet into the early hours as this wet weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, some heavy rain developing particularly across developing, particularly across north northern north wales into northern england. by the end of the night and could see some and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across england wales , outbreaks of england and wales, outbreaks of heavy pushing north and heavy rain pushing north and eastwards see some eastwards we could see some localised issues but it localised flooding issues but it just gradually become dry and brighter from the west . by the brighter from the west. by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on the chilly side that rain does push away by tuesday , does to then tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny for the day sunny spells for the day ahead. a scattering showers largely a scattering of showers largely across the west of across the north and the west of the uk into wednesday and the uk and into wednesday and thursday. that high pressure continues to build plenty of

continues to build in plenty of dry weather sunny spells and dry weather, sunny spells and temperatures rising . temperatures rising. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers proud sponsors of weather on gb news as. thanks for that, greg. >> so that's the end of the first hour. i've got lots more coming up on today's show, including the government are planning more barges and planning to use more barges and also student accommodation and maybe office blocks to house asylum seekers. but is that the right thing to do from a community perspective? what else can the government really do at this stage ? all of that and more this stage? all of that and more to come. i'm emily carver. you're watching and listening to gb news

channel hello and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining hello and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you forjoining us sunday. thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm emily carver . for the next hour, i'll be keeping company on tv, keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online digital radio. so online and digital radio. so coming up, the government is facing pressure ever facing more pressure than ever to tackle small boat crossings. that's after migrants died that's after six migrants died yesterday in the channel. the vessel sank only five miles off the french coast. 59 people rescued, but two remain rescued, but two still remain missing . who is to blame for missing. who is to blame for what happened ? and will the what happened? and will the government get a grip of government ever get a grip of the migrant crisis then, despite

the migrant crisis then, despite the discovery of legionella on the discovery of legionella on the bibby stockholm, ministers are going ahead and procuring more barges for asylum seekers and student halls are also being considered . office blocks are considered. office blocks are being considered to house migrants. you place migrants. where would you place them and stick with us? because coming up on in the hour, coming up later on in the hour, ministers are set appoint a ministers are set to appoint a lavatories tsar that's to address britain's public toilet crisis and female only toilets will be guaranteed in new public buildings. please do get in touch on all of our topics of the day. send us your thoughts on gbnews.com on va's at gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but first, before all of that, let's get the news headunes all of that, let's get the news headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> emily, thank you. good afternoon . well, the top story afternoon. well, the top story on gb news today , 509 migrants on gb news today, 509 migrants crossed the english channel in ten small boats yesterday , ten small boats yesterday, bringing the total for number the year so far to more than 16,500. that's according to the home office. and it comes as the government is under renewed

pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people perished crossing the channel. home secretary suella braverman described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she's already chaired a meeting with border force officials. campaign ers say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy . kay marsch, preventable tragedy. kay marsch, who's manager and support coordinator at the migrant charity samphire, says that there are safe and legal ways for migrants to come to britain i >> -- >> not a lot of people do know what the options for safe legal routes are, but of course we use humanitarian visas with the ukrainian situation , people were ukrainian situation, people were brought here safely and legally , never having to navigate the asylum system get a asylum system or get into a small boat so it can be done. we do have mechanisms available, but they're very, very narrow and they don't catch everyone thatis and they don't catch everyone that is allowed to be here. so it's we know now that nothing is going to work, nothing is going to deter people. we need to start looking at how we get them here safely and process them

quickly . quickly. >> people in scotland and wales could soon access nhs treatment they need in england, all in an effort to cut long waiting lists. the health secretary, steve barclay, saying he's open to requests and invites both scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk can coordinate to tackle waiting times . in to tackle waiting times. in wales, more than 73,000 people have been waiting over a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,000 people in scotland have been waiting for the same penod have been waiting for the same period of time for their appointment. it's secretary of state for wales , david davis state for wales, david davis says everyone should have access to the health care they need. >> it is a national health service and there's a clue in the name and everyone the name there and everyone across kingdom is across the united kingdom is paying across the united kingdom is paying of tax paying the same amount of tax towards and is towards the nhs and it is therefore manifestly wrong that some people in parts of the united kingdom are waiting over two treatment that two years for treatment that would never happen where, frankly, conservatives frankly, the conservatives running and so we're running the nhs. and so we're offering to give in offering to give patients in wales same rights that they

wales the same rights that they would england, is would get in england, which is to, prepared to to, if they're prepared to travel, can to any travel, they can go to any hospital which offer them hospital which can offer them the need . the treatment they need. >> the government's due to bring forward changes to regulation around single sex toilets in pubuc around single sex toilets in public places. all new non—domestic public and private buildings will now be required to provide separate single sex toilets for women and men, or a self contained private toilet. as a minimum. women and equalities minister kemi badenoch says gender neutral toilets has removed the right for privacy in public facilities and the new regulations will protect the dignity and safety of all. his majesty, the king, says he's horrified over the devastation caused by wildfires engulfing the hawaiian state of maui. the island of maui, and has offered his condolence to the victims. local sources in maui have confirmed at least 93 people have died so far , making people have died so far, making it the deadliest us wildfire in

more than a century , with more than a century, with a number of dead expected to rise as more bodies are found. search teams are out with sniffer dogs and have sifted through the ruins of lahaina for days after a fast moving blaze levelled the historic resort town , historic resort town, obliterating buildings and melting cars in its path . robert melting cars in its path. robert kennedy, jr, whose father and uncle were both assassinated because of their political views , has bid to run as the democratic candidate for the us presidency in 2024 for his uncle, president john f kennedy was assassinated in 1963, as was his father while running for the democratic presidential nomination in 68. robert kennedy jr is the fifth member of his family to run for president of the united states and is aware of the risks of running for office. >> i think all of it, everybody in my family is aware of the risk . but, in my family is aware of the risk. but, you in my family is aware of the risk . but, you know , in my family is aware of the risk. but, you know , i in my family is aware of the risk . but, you know , i think, risk. but, you know, i think, you know, life is filled with

risks. so and i think once cheryl was convinced that that there was a path to victory and that i think she felt like, you know , because i have a passion know, because i have a passion to do this, to solve some of these problems for our country. and i'm in a unique position to be able to do that. that she gave me the green light. >> robert f kennedy jr speaking there . you're with gb news there. you're with gb news across the uk on your tv in your car , on your digital radio and car, on your digital radio and now on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. this is britain's news . saying play gb news. this is britain's news. channel >> thank you very much, polly . >> thank you very much, polly. so french authorities have confirmed that six migrants died after their small boat got into difficulties yesterday . now the difficulties yesterday. now the spotlight is on the government and how it can solve the migrant

crisis in the channel. the boat, of course, was just five miles off the french coast before it capsized. and sadly led to the death of six migrants. so joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia utley olivia . many tory mps have utley olivia. many tory mps have come out in the sunday papers to say that what happened yesterday shows the need to support government policies in terms of the rwanda deal in terms of cracking down on smuggling gangs i >> -- >> yes, >> yes , absolutely. this tragic >> yes, absolutely. this tragic dodi in the channel has essentially highlighted just how thorny and complex this problem is for the government and tory mps are now tripping over each other to line up behind the government's policy . it's hard government's policy. it's hard to say that the government's policy has been an all out success. this week we saw numbers of people crossing the channel reach 100,000 since 2018 and on thursday we saw the single biggest record for the day. my boats crossing the

channel. that was 755. and then yesterday, of course, we saw another 507. so it's difficult to say that the government is really succeeding in its policy to stop the boats. but that is not for want of trying ing this year the prime minister has agreed a deal with the albanian prime minister in order to send back albanian migrants, which a few months ago made up the vast majority of migrants crossing the his deal managed to the channel. his deal managed to reduce migrants by 90, reduce albanian migrants by 90, but of course, this is a many headed hydra . and what happened headed hydra. and what happened was a different nationality cropped up in its place. now the single highest number of migrants crossing the channel are afghanistan from afghanistan. follow by turkey. so it's a really , really complex so it's a really, really complex problem. and there is a lot of finger pointing going on at the moment. the labour, the labour opposition is of course saying that the government's policy is simply too chaotic, isn't working . we know that there are, working. we know that there are, as labour keep reminding us, there have been more conservative home secretaries who have gone to rwanda to talk about the deal than there have

been being been actual migrants being deported . and meanwhile there deported. and meanwhile there are plenty of conservative mps who keen blame the french who are keen to blame the french for this year . who are keen to blame the french for this year. rishi sunak for this this year. rishi sunak agreed a £500 million deal over three years to try and help the french police their borders . of french police their borders. of course, that doesn't seem to be working. these migrants who died yesterday were in french water. the french of course, say that it's very, very difficult job for them. it's a 50 mile stretch of coast that they are trying to police. lots of it dark, lots of it covered in sand dunes. and maritime law means that once boats have set out the french police are unable, not allowed by law to intercept them . so the by law to intercept them. so the french police have a few moments from when the migrants are on the , from when they're in the beach, from when they're in the beach, from when they're in the to try and stop them the sea to try and stop them crossing. that is a really difficult challenge them. difficult challenge for them. essentially whichever way the government looks , there is government looks, there is a huge, huge problem and it is beginning to feel a bit like a problem without a solution . now, problem without a solution. now, keir starmer is of course,

saying that that the government is in chaos , but it's hard to is in chaos, but it's hard to see exactly what labour would do to make this situation any better. at the moment . keir better. at the moment. keir starmer saying that he would stop upstream by stop the problem upstream by agreeing a deal with french agreeing a deal with the french and with the european and maybe with the european union. is easier said union. well that is easier said than done. a really , really than done. a really, really tncky than done. a really, really tricky problem and one with huge political poignancy . poll after political poignancy. poll after poll shows that people in this country are desperate to see that flow of migrants stop crossing the channel. but what is rishi sunak going to do? >> well, thank you very much indeed, olivia utley for bringing update. gb news bringing us that update. gb news political correspondent , political correspondent, correspondent spa. correspondent in leamington spa. so with me is my panel, claire pearsall , of course, and paul pearsall, of course, and paul emery with me. olivia said this is a problem that seems to have no solution or it seems to have no solution or it seems to have no political solution as it stands, you've got the shadow home secretary yvette cooper saying action to deter criminal gangs, facilitating these journeys is desperately necessary. well, the government is trying to do that. that is in

part why we're sending so much to money france and doing deals with countries like turkey. you've got the shadow immigration minister accusing the government of having no workable plan. it's very easy to throw these accusations and suggestions to the government in power at the time, but very difficult to do something about it once you are in power. >> well, that's right. and it's always very interesting when the opposition and they blame opposition speak and they blame the government absolutely the government for absolutely everything, but don't come up with plans of their own. and i think that are entering into think that we are entering into the election period. it is going to be at some point next year and labour party still and the labour party still haven't laid out entirely clearly what it is they intend to do how they're going to to do and how they're going to make a difference. and i think if going to fingers if you're going to point fingers and at the and point blame at the government, you need have government, you need to have some costed, proper the some costed, proper plans in the background you're serious. >> t- f— e it's very difficult >> yeah, and it's very difficult to make out what the opposition's policy would be. and of course we've got a general election coming up in not so it important not too long, so it is important to talk about what the opposition would be doing in

this the this situation because on the one have people one hand you have people who talk about the importance of safe routes and adopt safe and legal routes and adopt a more softly, softly approach to this problem, then you have yvette cooper, who's sounding quite tough in terms of deportations and the like. so what exactly do you think? and i know you can't speak for the labour party , but what do you labour party, but what do you think their policy would look like? would it be, you know, a rizla? is there a rizla paper between the two parties? well i can't speak for the labour party, but i've been a member of the labour party for nearly 30 years and been active years and i've been an active trade unionist the labour trade unionist within the labour movement for around about the same amount of time. >> so i know the party and the movement quite well. i know many of the people in it. i know what makes them tick. know what makes them tick. i know what their view is. i know what their world view is. i know what they public and what they their world view is. i know what theyin public and what they their world view is. i know what theyin privateiblic and what they their world view is. i know what theyin private .lic and what they their world view is. i know what theyin private . and nd what they their world view is. i know what theyin private . and let nhat they their world view is. i know what theyin private . and let met they their world view is. i know what theyin private . and let me telly say in private. and let me tell you that there are huge numbers of people in the labour movement who are pro—open borders . so who are pro—open borders. so many of them will not say that publicly because they know it's

electorally unpopped colour, but ideologically they don't believe in strict border controls. they see it as kind of reactionary and nativist and that sort of thing. even though ford is a fascist . well, i mean, they come fascist. well, i mean, they come close to that point of view, which i have to say is a bit of a turnabout from even 20 years ago in the labour movement . the ago in the labour movement. the position of open borders was largely a fringe position , one largely a fringe position, one articulated by trotskyist and anarchists. the far left , really anarchists. the far left, really the mainstream of the corbyn easter type of exactly the mainstream of the labour movement . it understood the need movement. it understood the need for regulation of the labour supply that actually in order to maintain social solidarity and cohesion, in order to plan around public services, employment , welfare, around public services, employment, welfare, in order to safeguard wages and stop downward pressure in certain sectors that you had to regulate the labour supply. and if you spoke to most trade union leaders, in the labour leaders, most mps in the labour party that time, would party at that time, they would be board with that. now be fully on board with that. now that's turned about completely, and articulate that view

and if you articulate that view now, as i you looked upon as now, as i do, you looked upon as some sort of reactionary crank in the labour party. so to answer the question directly, the party , i'm afraid to the labour party, i'm afraid to say, really have any say, doesn't really have any answers to this. most of what they're doing at the moment is sloganising expect to sloganising you expect them to batter over the batter the government over the head? of course, you naturally expect but anyone who expect that. but anyone who thinks that the labour party are going solve this going to quickly solve this problem power problem if they come to power i think delusional. think is delusional. >> regret to say, yeah, i'm >> i regret to say, yeah, i'm fed sort of wishy fed up of these sort of wishy washy statements about how we need to be kinder and show human pity need to be kinder and show human pity and have more safe and legal routes. and that's the solution. but unfortunately, in my view, at least, there does need to be a deterrent, if not only to prevent these kind of deaths that we saw yesterday in in the channel and people risking their lives to come to this country by this route. but that's my view. lots of you have been getting in touch on this. pam says, i still don't understand why the rnli were in the french waters. well there was an incident report did, and

it was all hands on deck by the sounds of it. and everyone jumped to the rescue, which a lot of people would say is the right thing to do. but then also people saying responsibility of the french. i don't know . katie the french. i don't know. katie says, what are the royal navy doing the moment? should they doing at the moment? should they have and have joined in and helped and rescued these people? gary says this loss of life is so sad, but if they were five miles away from france, it just doesn't make go all to make sense to go all the way to the uk, notwithstanding the £50 million we give france every yean million we give france every year. think 500 year. well i think it's 500 million actually. giving million actually. we're giving over the next three years. i mean, i can sense the frustration. i mean, everyone's got an idea of how they might solve this issue, whether all of the proposed solutions are workable , i don't know. but the workable, i don't know. but the frustration is palpable. the government knows this. the government knows this. the government has also upped the ante. massive only by saying we are going to stop the boats. we are going to stop the boats. we are going to solve this. the labour party can't solve this trust us to it. and then they trust us to do it. and then they have the most disaster oestrus week in terms of

week ever in terms of announcements and terms of announcements and in terms of record breaking days in the channel and in terms of all their ideas being briefed and then subsequently poo pooed or ignored altogether . but there ignored altogether. but there you go. please do keep your views coming in. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with carver. got with me, emily carver. we've got lots through, but first, lots to get through, but first, let's look at the weather let's take a look at the weather with greg. >> looks like things are heating up. boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm greg jewhurst and welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. looking ahead, rain on monday, particularly across england and wales, as low pressure moves through, but it does gradually turn warmer and drier and we can see that on the bigger picture, low pressure dominating the weather pattern. the few weather pattern. the next few days, but then high pressure building as we head towards building in as we head towards wednesday sunday, wednesday. so for sunday, starting to go downhill across england and wales as we move through the rest of the day and into early hours as this wet into the early hours as this wet weather slowly north and

weather spreads slowly north and eastwards, heavy rain eastwards, some heavy rain developing particularly across developing, particularly across north into northern north wales into northern england. by the end of the night and here see some and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures remaining temperatures generally remaining in double so that wet in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across england wales. weather first thing across england wales . outbreaks of england and wales. outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards could some eastwards we could see some localised it localised flooding issues but it just gradually become drier and brighter from west . by the brighter from the west. by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here. mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud the rain, it under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on the chilly side that rain does push by that rain does push away by tuesday , it does start to then tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny spells for day ahead. sunny spells for the day ahead. a showers largely a scattering of showers largely across and the west of across the north and the west of the uk and into wednesday and thursday. high pressure thursday. that high pressure continues build in plenty of continues to build in plenty of dry weather, spells dry weather, sunny spells and temperatures rising . temperatures rising. >> looks like things are heating

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news . channel welcome back to gb news. channel welcome back to gb news sunday with me, emily carver on your tv, online and digital radio. >> now female only toilets will be guaranteed in new buildings that are the public that are open to the public under government plans . as this under government plans. as this moves concerns moves follows various concerns for privacy and safety and gender neutral according gender neutral loos. according to a yougov poll , just 6, 6% of to a yougov poll, just 6, 6% of brits think toilets should be gender neutral. only well, women's minister kemi badenoch has said it is important that everybody has privacy and dignity when using public facilities. yet the move towards gender neutral toilets has removed this fundamental right for women and girls. a short consultation will open tomorrow. so let's see what my panel make of this is paul. do you think the government should be intervening in buildings and what toilets they have? yes. >> on this occasion, i think they're absolutely right . i they're absolutely right. i think if you look at the way that some people within society

have attempted to roll back women's rights over the course of the last few years, and the implication is for that in terms of single sex spaces, in terms of single sex spaces, in terms of women's dignity , security in of women's dignity, security in pubuc of women's dignity, security in public places and so on, it seems to me the same people who are happy to sort of march under the flag of progress for every other group when it comes to women , say, well, what's your women, say, well, what's your problem? why are you upset about this? why can't you be a little bit more accommodating? why can't little bit more can't you be a little bit more inclusive? and understandably, women have become pretty angry. many of them, at least, in seeing their hard won rights in many cases is rolled back . and i many cases is rolled back. and i think that this is an opportunity to redress that. i think it is a no brainer actually to say there should be single sex toilets and a common sense for paul clare . sense for paul clare. >> what's wrong with a gender neutral loo ? neutral loo? >> in some respects there's nothing wrong with that. as long as it is a cubicle that you have

your hand basin in there. one person you can have complete privacy . but what i do object to privacy. but what i do object to only having gender neutral toilets if i go into the ladies, i want to go into the ladies. i want to be able to use that facility and want to feel safe and secure here. but i think the funniest part of this story because essentially i agree with paul because essentially i agree with paul, but the funniest part of this story and i think we have to there, is that the to go there, is that the government putting together government is putting together a lavatory , which i'm not lavatory tsar, which i'm not convinced is pointing a lavatory . they are indeed. so i want to see when that job advert goes live and why they missed out on having a sort of lord of the labs or lady of the labs. >> yeah, they're going to be quite interested to see if anyone at home could could write me application for this job me an application for this job that i'll the government i >> -- >> what would you put in your lavatory application? >> to pull the >> you're going to pull the chain gender neutral toilets. chain on gender neutral toilets. >> good. there we go. >> oh, very good. there we go. >> oh, very good. there we go. >> good. very good. just a position, because it's actually quite serious. need quite serious. why? we need a lavatory tsar. apparently this quite serious. why? we need a la not ry tsar. apparently this quite serious. why? we need a la not ry tsforapparently this quite serious. why? we need a la not ry tsfor gender|tly this quite serious. why? we need a la not ry tsfor gender neutral is not just for gender neutral

toilets, because toilets, but it's because apparently we don't have many pubuc apparently we don't have many public restrooms anymore. many pubuc public restrooms anymore. many public lavatories at all. and a lot of them closed down during dunng lot of them closed down during during the pandemic and before that. >> yeah. and i can see that councils need to be able to reopen those facilities to people. i mean, think that people. i mean, i think that thatis people. i mean, i think that that is only a sort of basic standard that we expect and you do need to bring them back. but i think that we're now sort of into the cones hotline territory of government. we're looking at these things, we're creating more jobs into a sector that you don't need to. if there's a problem with local authorities not toilets not opening their public toilets , then that is one for perhaps the levelling up secretary i don't that we need to put don't think that we need to put in another layer of council should just deal with that, but they should . and that comes they should. and that comes under of state. so under the secretary of state. so therefore, already that therefore, we already have that position. i think, yeah, position. so i think, yeah, joking aside, bog standard joking aside, the bog standard nature of a toilet, then i think standard i'm sorry, i'm i have to say i think this also should reignite the discussion around mixed hospital wards as well because that issue hasn't gone

away. >> i mean, despite the fact, as i understand that they're i understand it, that they're technically you're still technically banned, you're still seeing examples seeing thousands of examples every year where and women , every year where men and women, often elderly men and women who come from of a different, come from a bit of a different, more conservative generation are thrown together in hospital wards, are really uncomfortable with that . but, you know, in with that. but, you know, in these days of gender neutrality and stuff , it seems that some of and stuff, it seems that some of our authorities are overlooked . our authorities are overlooked. that it's one of those that and it's one of those things that really rankle with people. think need to people. and i think we need to revisit well, whether revisit that as well, whether it's it's or it's fair, whether it's fair or not, women a natural not, women do have a natural instinct to fear strange men. >> well, and by strange men, i mean strangers . and just the mean strangers. and just the presence can sometimes be a little bit intimidating in those kind of scenarios. but yes , kind of scenarios. but yes, badenoch kemi badenoch, she's been very outspoken on this issue, protecting women's rights in the face of some of the extremes of transgender ideology. criticised the ideology. she's criticised the old vic theatre in central london because they decided four years ago now to convert all of

their male and female toilets to gender neutral facilities. why on earth they're doing that? presumably they think it's pc and progressive and so on. so now she's got her eyes on on the old vic theatre and also the issue in schools as well . i issue in schools as well. i mean, if i'd been at a mixed school, i just would not have gone to the toilet. and apparently this is what girls are doing there, you know , are doing there, you know, holding it all day. absolutely >> and i think when you're a teenager or somebody going through puberty, then you want to be able to feel comfortable in a really in a space. it's a really difficult growing up. you difficult time growing up. you don't to more pressure don't need to add more pressure onto think the boys can go onto it. i think the boys can go to the boys loos , the girls can to the boys loos, the girls can go to the girls loos and everybody's happy. i don't see why to push this kind of why we need to push this kind of gender ideals onto everybody. and it feels like women are just being erased. and i think this is the more serious point of it , is that women's rights we fought so hard for are now just being taken from us and being taken away from us and we're erased out the we're being erased out of the picture. we're being erased out of the pictand that's good for boys.

>> and that's good for boys. >> and that's good for boys. >> it either i >> and that's good for boys. >> it eitheri mean, >> is it really either i mean, unless you're a predatory boy, which few far between, which few and far between, you're not going to particularly like a toilet. that's like going into a toilet. that's that's gender neutral either. >> uncomfortable. exactly >> very uncomfortable. exactly >> very uncomfortable. exactly >> and seems, as is often the >> and it seems, as is often the case, is that the authorities are kowtowing to the view of a very tiny but nonetheless vocal minority of people . instead of minority of people. instead of being brave enough and saying, do you know what, we're going to say because demand say no, because that demand is unreasonable. speak as a unreasonable. i speak as a father a teenage girl, the father of a teenage girl, by the way. i can tell way. and, you know, i can tell you that if there was a biological man in in a toilet with my teenage daughter, he would not be there for long. it's simple as you it's as simple as that, you know, think any know, and i don't think any self—respecting father whose teenage daughter was in teenage teenage daughter was in a single sex or was in any sort of toilet and a man was in there, if it was a single sex space, for example , would would space, for example, would would would accept that. and i don't think they should accept that. >> i guess the question which a lot of these businesses and pubuc lot of these businesses and public buildings have been trying to deal with is what to

do with trans gender people. claire do you think that you should just have to use the toilet based on your biological sex from birth, even if you've, you know , gone through the you know, gone through the transitioning process and everything? or do you think that places should have one gender neutral toilet and then the rest are single sex? >> i don't think there's anything to stop businesses from having simply a toilet facility. and as i say, if it is a sealed cubicle, it's got your hand basin, hand dryer, everything in there, then it doesn't really matter. i think forcing people to only have gender neutral is wrong if it is a small cafe or something like that. they tend to just have a toilet. so and i think that they can be left to deal with it as it is. but why should everybody else, as paul says, have to conform to a very small minority of people ? and small minority of people? and most of them actually aren't too bothered about this . most bothered about this. most transgender people just want to be able to get on with their lives. >> well, i mean, judging from the inbox here, many people

think absolute madness and think it's absolute madness and they're particularly concerned about tony says about school rules. tony says this is a disgrace. this is happening in secondary schools in my 14 year old in my area, my 14 year old granddaughter never uses the toilet school. very worrying toilet at school. very worrying and needs to stop someone else has written in to say this is happening at schools. her daughter's school as well. this is widespread. not, is widespread. it's not, you know , alarmist, it? know, alarmist, is it? it's happening . happening. >> and, you know, young girls particularly are suffering because of it. and we really should be much more forceful in challenging people who peddle this sort of stuff in the name of, you know, progressiveness . of, you know, progressiveness. but actually, it is the as far as i can see, it's the most retrograde, retrograde thing to say to young women and girls . say to young women and girls. actually, your rights are no longer exist really, in this particular case, minister, we're rolling back your rights and you have to accept it. and, you know, fair play to those women and girls who have come out and said, we're not prepared to accept it. they've shown immense courage. one, have courage. and i, for one, have

got them. got solidarity with them. >> crazy that >> i just think it's crazy that a minister has had to get involved with something like a minister has had to get invo because| something like a minister has had to get invo because| scbecause like this because of because of what's in various what's going on in various buildings and schools and organisations, . but let organisations, etcetera. but let me know what you think. you're watching listening gb watching and listening to gb news me. emily news sunday with me. emily carver. more carver. we've got lots more coming up this afternoon. so higher higher dropouts, higher grades, higher dropouts, pandemic awarded pandemic, the pandemic awarded a—level are leaving a—level students are leaving universities at record rates. i'll be diving into the shocking numbers finding why numbers and finding out why they're leaving their courses. but first, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> emily, thank you. the headunes >> emily, thank you. the headlines this hour , 509 headlines this hour, 509 migrants crossed the english channelin migrants crossed the english channel in ten small boats yesterday . that brings the total yesterday. that brings the total for the year so far to more than 16,500. and it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people lost their lives . crisis after six people lost their lives. home crisis after six people lost their lives . home secretary their lives. home secretary suella braverman described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she chaired a meeting with border force

officials. campaigners agreed the incident was appalling and preventable, while mps from all sides now are calling for action to stop criminal gangs profiteering from dangerous crossings , people in scotland crossings, people in scotland and wales could soon be able to get nhs treatment. they need in england to cut long waiting lists. the health secretary , lists. the health secretary, steve barclay, says he's open to requests , notes and invites both requests, notes and invites both scottish and welsh health ministers to discuss how all parts of the uk coordinate to tackle waiting times in wales. more than 73,000 people have been waiting over a year and a half for treatment and at least 21,000 people in scotland have been waiting for the same . been waiting for the same. labour has pledged to recruit more than 6500 new teachers in a plan to tackle regional recruitment gaps. supply teacher spending has doubled in the last year and labour says that its recruitment plan to create more opportunities for young people would fill more than fill. they

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sunday with me, emily carver on your online and digital radio. now a lot of you have been getting in touch on everything we've been talking about on the gender which gender neutral toilets, which can kemi badenoch is intervening in. she's saying that there should be single sex facilities in every public building in the country. paul raises an interesting point from the perspective of men. he says, why should men have to queue up like ladies to use the cubicle to use a when 4 or 5 men can a cubicle when 4 or 5 men can stand up at a urinal in a normal men's toilet that almost always prevents queuing . oh, what prevents queuing. oh, what a total disaster this is. that's a very good point. you can get the men in far quicker without them having use know , you having to use use know, you know, cubicles. >> and we're not powdering our noses and stuff like that. you're powder noses, you're not powder your noses, gossiping stuff like that. gossiping and stuff like that. we're in and we're gonna have a quick out. quick chat and you're out. >> always really >> it is always really frustrating as a woman see frustrating as a woman to see that men's toilets that the men's the men's toilets have no queue. and yeah , have no queue. and yeah, especially at sports events. >> oh , it's the worst. >> oh, it's the worst. >> oh, it's the worst. >> but there you go. and on the

migrant crisis. >> but there you go. and on the migrant crisis . br bridge. i migrant crisis. br bridge. i think that's how you say your name. he or she says responsibility lies with the french government. they've taken the money and not monitored the borders as they should be returned to france. they've come off shores . yes, good off their shores. yes, good point. but we have heard about how difficult it actually is for the french. but i'm you know, it might be in their interests for them to, i don't know, shuffle people across. i don't know. and then abdul on humza yousaf and his plans to make ageism a hate crime . so if you said called crime. so if you said called someone a grumpy old man in a malicious way, you might end up being well called by the coppers having them round your home. abdul says . once the home of abdul says. once the home of adam smith is now the home of foolish snp, which i think is absolutely spot on. what a decline in due to the snp humza yousaf really well when he was justice secretary he started all this anti free speech legislation and it is very

concerning what's happening up there. but we'll see what happens at the next next election. so moving on, republican candidates try and woo voters in iowa. the 2024 american election is well and truly getting into the swing of things. but it's not just republicans is on the democrat side. joe biden facing side. joe biden is facing a challenge robert kennedy challenge from robert kennedy jr. former president jr. nephew of former president john f kennedy and son of former attorney general robert f kennedy. kennedy jr kennedy. so robert kennedy jr has battled with a drug has famously battled with a drug addiction earlier in his life , addiction earlier in his life, mister kennedy was interviewed by us documentary filmmaker daphne barak. by us documentary filmmaker daphne barak . the interview daphne barak. the interview forms part of an upcoming documentary for the 60th anniversary of the assassination of jfk . of jfk. >> we'll be you were 14. and then this huge tragedy which actually touched the nation , actually touched the nation, touched you. so deep, so suddenly. you fell into drugs . suddenly. you fell into drugs. can you tell me ? can you tell me? >> well, i wouldn't blame drugs on my on my on those tragedies . on my on my on those tragedies. it may or may have not. you

know, i feel like i was born an addict that i was born with, like you know, an empty space inside of me that i was, you know , an empty spiritual hole know, an empty spiritual hole and that a lot of addicts feel that way. i knew i didn't want to be taking drugs and i didn't understand why i kept doing it. i had iron willpower in every other part of my life. i gave up candy for lent when i was 13, and i never ate candy again until i was in college , and until i was in college, and i gave up desserts for lent the next year and didn't eat desserts till i was in college and i was trying to bulk up for i played sports at college and i felt like i could do anything with my willpower and i could not believe that it would not work against drugs. and i you know, i was shooting , i was know, i was shooting, i was doing intravenous heroin. that was my drug of choice from when i was 15. and i'd i couldn't understand why i couldn't stop. and i would the most

demoralising feature of addiction for me was that incapacity to keep contracts with myself and to tell myself, okay, i'm not never going to do that again. at 9:00 in the morning. and i would say it honestly, sincerely , earnestly , honestly, sincerely, earnestly, and at 4:00 that afternoon, i'd be doing it. and i could not understand why that was happening. and, you know, it's coming back . ling powerful . and coming back. ling powerful. and you know, ultimately i got when i was 28, i got sober. >> how did you make this decision? well you know what? >> the thing is , i tried >> the thing is, i tried everything , but i did not try 12 everything, but i did not try 12 step programs because for me , it step programs because for me, it would have seemed insane then to go into a group of strangers and start talking about anything private because you know, the consequences for doing something like that. in my position seemed it just would it seemed, you know, cataclysmic to that. it

would be in the papers the next day. this would i would think i had the 12 steps are intent are are crafted to induce a spiritual awakening. they're not it's not a religion. it's not a god. it's not a there's no cosmology. there's no you know, it's theology. it's just it's intended to induce everybody to find their own path to their own version of god . and it worked version of god. and it worked very quickly for me. and i as soon as that happened to me, i had a spiritual awakening a couple of months in. and that that compulsion that i had just disappeared . and it was like disappeared. and it was like almost like i had never had it before. it was really it was a for me, it was as much a miracle as if i had, you know , learned as if i had, you know, learned to walk on water because it's miraculous. i had been trying honestly, sincerely , earnestly honestly, sincerely, earnestly for 14 years, and nothing worked well, thank you to daphne barak

for that interview , uh, there. for that interview, uh, there. >> so i've got a couple of very interesting debates to have to lead us out of the show today. labour leader sir keir starmer has scrapped plans for ulez style zones across the country. the party has ditched their commitment aimed at cutting carbon emissions from polluting vehicles. this is very interesting . of course, interesting indeed. of course, this their uxbridge this follows their uxbridge byelection which was byelection defeat, which was largely on london mayor largely blamed on london mayor sadiq press sadiq khan, vowing to press ahead further zones. ahead with further ulez zones. so labour source has told the so a labour source has told the telegraph air zones telegraph that clean air zones are a conservative policy and that labour in favour of that labour is not in favour of extra burdens on drivers. during a tory made cost of living crisis. is this is an crisis. this is this is an interesting one because paul and the labour party used to hold the labour party used to hold the government to account on their net zero pledge. they used to hold the government to account on all of their green schemes and not doing enough to cut emissions. and now seem cut emissions. and now they seem to this to be backtracking. is this because working because they think the working people aren't with them on these types of things? >> i that's exactly what >> i think that's exactly what it they've met reality. they it is. they've met reality. they met reality uxbridge

met reality in the uxbridge by—election and they're meeting reality every day that this debate is ongoing and ordinary working people , i think, are working people, i think, are becoming more and more concerned about the price that they particularly will be asked to pay particularly will be asked to pay in terms of the rush to net zero. so i think this is a calculated strategy by starmer, albeit the right one, because to be honest, emily, the very idea that in the middle of a cost of living crisis, you should be seeking to impose more and more green taxes effectively on people. look, we're all environmentalists. we all want a nice green planet. we all want to say i'm an environmentalist, okay? >> but i'd like the environment to be nice, but. >> well , i to be nice, but. >> well, i couldn't say i was an environmental. >> okay, okay. but in terms of people wanting the planet to be able to thrive and, you know, not to not to kind of boil in terms of some of the language that we've seen and challenging some of the worst aspects of climate change. yes. you know , climate change. yes. you know, we want that. but at the same

time , it cannot be at any cost. time, it cannot be at any cost. we need a bit of pragmatism around this. we've seen too much what i call environmental militancy instead of environmental moderation . and environmental moderation. and particularly and people are not stupid out there. they see the carbon emissions that are being chucked like chucked out by countries like china us, which china and the us, which absolutely what we churn out. and people say, so , you know, and people say, so, you know, you're asking us to inflict all this punishment on ourselves. you know, we might see whole industries and jobs disappear here. renewables are here. you know, renewables are not a balancing act for them and at the same time, you know , at the same time, you know, china and the us and other countries are is this not just mere posturing? hard to mere posturing? and it's hard to avoid that avoid the conclusion that actually of actually for a lot of politicians this country, it politicians in this country, it is posturing. >> types of green >> yes. and these types of green schemes are regressive insofar as they hit the poorest the hardest. of course, because they're ones who have to they're the ones who have to well, either spend huge amounts of money on upgrading their vehicles or daily charging vehicles or pay daily charging is now it's quite interesting, claire, because was a commitment to ulez style schemes was in

labour's transport pledges in their document. their policy handbook only a couple of months ago . so very quick change of ago. so very quick change of change of mind on that. the labor party under keir starmer seems to be making a lot of u—turns, a lot of changes of heart. >> what it does , and it's >> what it does, and it's interesting that keir starmer has said that ulez sort of uk wide ulez schemes wouldn't come in, but he doesn't go so far as to say that the london expansion shouldn't go ahead. >> and i think this is the real crux of the matter. it's all very well to sort of change your policy ideas and governments have done this and opposition has this time after time. has done this time after time. but it's very, very hypocritical to the rest the country to say the rest of the country should absolutely fine. should be absolutely fine. >> they scared of . >> claire, are they scared of. >> claire, are they scared of. >> interrupt you, but >> sorry to interrupt you, but are of sadiq khan? are they scared of sadiq khan? >> does look a little >> well, it does look a little bit in london, so bit like winning in london, so they can't touch him. >> and it feels. and >> and that's how it feels. and given that the uxbridge by—election really was a single issue , by—election, it was ulez

issue, by—election, it was ulez you would have thought the labour party could see the writing was on the for wall scenes like that, but it won't go anywhere near to criticising sadiq khan or doing anything for those in london look those voters in london who look to labour to be their support. >> other is public >> and the other thing is public transport that it's transport in the state that it's in. it's unfair, in my view too. i'm not a car fan. i don't particularly like cars. think particularly like cars. i think the country be better off the country would be better off to do a certain degree without them. but but they exist and you know, use them. know, people will use them. >> i how anti—car are. >> i love how anti—car you are. >>— >> i love how anti—car you are. >> unless you get >> and unless unless you get pubuc >> and unless unless you get public being what it public transport being what it should be and at the moment it's dirty, it's unreliable, it's expensive, penalising expensive, then penalising people for their cars, people for using their cars, i think is wrong. if you had a much better public transport system, an system, there might be an argument we're not argument for it, but we're not in position. and during in that position. and during a cost living think cost of living crisis, i think it's a dangerous to play it's a dangerous game to play with electorate. with the electorate. >> you go. >> well, there you go. >> well, there you go. >> story that caught >> now another story that caught my eye and is something that definitely have been definitely could have been foreseen by foreseen and was foreseen by many in know many people in the know teenagers anxiously awaiting teenagers are anxiously awaiting a—level day. they've teenagers are anxiously awaiting a—leywarned day. they've teenagers are anxiously awaiting a—leywarned to day. they've teenagers are anxiously awaiting a—leywarned to expect|ey've teenagers are anxiously awaiting a—leywarned to expect lower been warned to expect lower grades this thursday, writing in

the sunday times education secretary gillian keegan said that results will lower than that results will be lower than last year. that's because universities to be able to universities need to be able to properly distinguish between candidates. of course, during the pandemic there was an increase top a—level increase in top a—level grades results were based on teachers assessments. instead of exams. there was huge and noticeable grade inflation. an and now what we're seeing , claire, is we're we're seeing, claire, is we're seeing that it we have a very high an increase rates of dropouts in universities children young adults are going off to university . they may have off to university. they may have got what they thought were very good grades, but they were inflated. and they're finding out at university that they're not well equipped enough, that well equipped enough to deal with the strain of a university education and just because everybody thinks they should go to university, it doesn't mean you should. >> and i have a real problem with this drive to get everybody to complete a degree course for

whichever job that they want. it isn't suited to everybody. and the level of dropouts is quite high given the amount of money people are going to be borrowing and the debt they're going to be saddled with for student loans going into their 30s and 40s. some people aren't going to ever pay some people aren't going to ever pay that off. and i and i think it's a real shame that we don't focus minds on how best that young people will do in something like an apprenticeship. i think that apprenticeships need to be coming to the fore. i think that universities isn't for everybody. for some professions it is and also we it absolutely is and also we need to look at student fees. and i think a lot of the drop outs are because they didn't quite realise how hard it was going but also quite how going to be, but also quite how expensive going to and going to be, but also quite how expyfactye going to and going to be, but also quite how expyfact that going to and going to be, but also quite how expyfact that they1g to and going to be, but also quite how expyfact that they don't and going to be, but also quite how expyfact that they don't have1d the fact that they don't have the fact that they don't have the able to live and the money to be able to live and they're very they're finding it all very difficult. putting difficult. so we're putting enormous pressure on to our young people to make those decisions early on. >> absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> young people are >> i think young people are learning a learning the hard way that a university isn't necessarily the right thing for them . but paul,

right thing for them. but paul, close to 30% of students are dropping out, quitting some degree course is it's pretty shocking data . and i remember at shocking data. and i remember at the time when they were talking about grade inflation and how people were saying, oh, it's fairer. the children have had a hard time. we should, you know, inflate their grades . they inflate their grades. they deserve because it's been deserve an a because it's been so . well, actually, you're so tough. well, actually, you're just false sense just giving them a false sense of they can walk of confidence that they can walk into degree and into a university degree and they'll a—okay . they get they'll be a—okay. they get there the university there and either the university has to completely dumb down its course, which think serves no course, which i think serves no benefit at all or they flunk out i >> -- >> hard to argue with that. i think the situation was that teachers were effectively marking their own homework, weren't they? and of course they weren't they? and of course they weren't necessarily going to give unless they were really pressed. weren't pressed. they weren't necessarily going to be persuaded to give lower marks to people if that might actually reflect on them and their input and their work over the previous couple of years. i mean, there's a much wider debate about lockdown. right, was it lockdown. was it right, was it wrong the consequences lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen the consequences lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen forthe consequences lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen for kidsonsequences

lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen for kids ?|sequences lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen for kids ? quuences lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen for kids ? i think ces lockdown. was it right, was it wrongbeen for kids ? i think the have been for kids? i think the consequences have been quite disastrous many our kids. disastrous for many of our kids. and this is just of and i think this is just one of the of aspects of it the one of the aspects of it that seeing. i think that we're seeing. i think claire is right in terms of the number of people going to university. i think for you know, i think the blair government did a lot good government did a lot of good things. of the most things. i think one of the most wrongheaded it did was wrongheaded things it did was this of arbitrary . 50% of this kind of arbitrary. 50% of all young people must go to uni because what that has done, we have to be honest about this and confront what it's done is confront it. what it's done is it lot kids have it means that a lot of kids have ended with fairly worthless ended up with fairly worthless degrees. ended up with fairly worthless degre saddled with debt ended up with fairly worthless degresaddled with debt at the been saddled with debt at the same time. but much more importantly, it's created a dearth vocational and dearth in vocational and technical in this country technical skills in this country to the point where we are considered urgently relying on imported labour to plug the gap of jobs. massive >> i think there are a lot of jobs out there that shouldn't require , but paper require a degree, but on paper they is totally they now do, which is totally unfair because you have to, you know , get 50 of debt just know, get 50 grand of debt just to able job. to be able to get a job. >> that would have been for a non—graduate many years non—graduate not that many years ago. i mean, the university of

bedfordshire, 31.6% drop out rate. i mean , surely that rate. i mean, surely that university should , you know, be university should, you know, be put special measures or put into special measures or closed or something that is closed down or something that is atrocious. third of atrocious. nearly a third of students dropping their degree because it's no good. well lots of you been getting in of you who've been getting in touch topics we've been touch on topics we've been discussing says many discussing today, elon says many first year undergrads drop out because can't hack the because they can't hack the coursework over inflated a—level grades teachers who get an grades by teachers who get an ego boost if pupils look good, mean university mean those given university places are not really capable of the work ethic necessary for this level of learning. i think that's absolutely right, elon mail to say sorry, but the mail has to say sorry, but the percentage of a star results last year was a joke . many high last year was a joke. many high grades given away to grades were given away to students didn't deserve grades were given away to studer for didn't deserve grades were given away to studer for manydn't deserve grades were given away to studer for many subjects rve grades were given away to studer for many subjects that are them. for many subjects that are useless for careers. and chris, what have you got to say? you say would be good to know say it would be good to know before out before a—level results come out how medical school places how many medical school places were and how were available last year and how many year? this is many this year? this is especially important given the uk shortage. yes, there's uk doctor shortage. yes, there's been a cap in place and it's worth asking why . please do keep worth asking why. please do keep your views coming subscribe

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and could see some and here we could see some localised flooding. a met office warning in force for warning in force drier for northern ireland and scotland. temperatures generally remaining in figures. that wet in double figures. so that wet weather first thing across england . outbreaks of england and wales. outbreaks of heavy rain pushing north and eastwards we could see some localised issues localised flooding issues but it just gradually become dry and brighter from the west . by the brighter from the west. by the afternoon, northern ireland and scotland a brighter day here mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers in the best of any sunshine, temperatures reaching around 21 or 22 celsius. but if you're stuck under the cloud and the rain, it will feel on chilly side and will feel on the chilly side and that does push away by that rain does push away by tuesday , does to then tuesday, it does start to then brighten up. we've got plenty of sunny spells for the ahead. sunny spells for the day ahead. a showers largely a scattering of showers largely across the north and the west of a scattering of showers largely acchkthe north and the west of a scattering of showers largely acchk andiorth and the west of a scattering of showers largely acchk and into and the west of a scattering of showers largely acrc uk and into wednesday st of a scattering of showers largely acchk and into wednesday and the uk and into wednesday and thursday. that high pressure continues to build in plenty of dry sunny and dry weather, sunny spells and temperatures rising . the temperatures rising. the temperatures rising. the temperatures rising. the temperatures rising , boxt solar temperatures rising, boxt solar proud sponsors of weather on . gb

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gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. they are to going make sparks fly. you don't want to miss this one. before we get started, though, let's get the latest news headunes let's get the latest news headlines from the lovely polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> don't. thank you. good afternoon. the top story from the gp newsroom today. 509 miles. patients crossed the channelin miles. patients crossed the channel in ten small boats yesterday . that brings the total yesterday. that brings the total for number the year so far to more than 16,500. that's according to home office figures . and it comes as the government is under renewed pressure to tackle the migrant crisis after six people died crossing the engush six people died crossing the english channel yesterday. the home secretary, suella braverman, described the incident as a tragic loss of life and confirmed she's already chaired a meeting with border force officials . campaigners say force officials. campaigners say the incident was an appalling and preventable tragedy . k and preventable tragedy. k marsh, whose manager and support

coordinator at the migrant