the nhs. so something for you to ponder tonight is privatisation. inevit able or not.7 would it be a bad thing? certainly, not? would it be a bad thing? certainly, we are told that it would. is that realistic or not? and brexit? i don't know what's going on in this world, but apparently half of us now want there to be another referee

within the decade. goodness within the next decade. goodness me. be a good idea or me. would that be a good idea or not? it and in today's episode of this world has gone mad. the latest teenage trend , you latest teenage trend, you wouldn't believe it. it's taking as many paracetamols you can as many paracetamols as you can to see who can get hospitalised for the longest. are these kids thick or what? and a police chief now is asking parents to get a grip of their kids. but i fear that that ship has sailed. am i wrong or not? we've got it all to come. and more. but before we get into it, let's get tonight's latest headlines with polly out . polly middlehurst out. >> michelle, thank you. good evening. the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that norfolk and suffolk police have admitted that the personal information of over a thousand people, including victims of crime and witnesses , was crime and witnesses, was mistakenly released in response to a freedom of information request. both forces have attribute the mistake to a

technical issue . in a joint technical issue. in a joint statement, the force's said the data was hidden from anyone opening the files which were issued between april 21st and march 22nd. the prime minister has said that with wages rising at their fastest level for 22 years, there is now light at the end of the tunnel. figures from the office for national statistics show wages rose by 7.8% in the last quarter , with 7.8% in the last quarter, with inflation standing at 7.9. the prime minister says bringing inflation down is still his government's key aim . government's key aim. >> it's inflation that's making people feel poorer. it's eating into the savings in their bank account, making sure there's less money that they have at the end of the month. and that's why we need to bring it down. and that's how also bring down that's how we'll also bring down interest rates and ease the pressure people's mortgages. interest rates and ease the presswe people's mortgages. interest rates and ease the presswe making; mortgages. interest rates and ease the presswe making progress.es. interest rates and ease the presswe making progress. i'm now we are making progress. i'm not we'll have not complacent. and we'll have more numbers this week, which hopefully show continued downward hopefully show continued dowwe've stick to the but we've got to stick to the plan. that means taking the right, responsible decisions for

the responsible the economy, being responsible with borrowing , with public with borrowing, with public sector and if we do that, sector pay. and if we do that, we will inflation down. we will bring inflation down. >> so any rise in rail fares in england next year will be below the rate of inflation. the department for transport says the increase will not be as high as the rise in the retail price index , which normally dictates index, which normally dictates rail fares as the government's vowed to continue to protect rail passengers with the soaring cost of living. any rises will be delayed. now until march next yean be delayed. now until march next year, rather than being brought in in january . the home office in in january. the home office has exclusively revealed to gb news there's been a huge increase in under documented migrants exploiting rules to work in the food delivery sector. it says restaurants and small businesses offering delivery services are being urged to carry out more detailed checks on their drivers to crack down on scams . home office down on scams. home office officials say working in the shadow economy, as it's known, is a major pull factor for those embarking on often dangerous

illegal journeys to the uk . illegal journeys to the uk. police are appealing for information after two men were stabbed in what's believed to have been a homophobic attack in london. detectives would like to speak to this man. if you're watching television, you can see this cctv still of a man that was seen outside the two brewers pub in clapham just after 10:00 on sunday. police have urged anyone with any information to contact them or call 101 or crime stoppers as and police are appealing for footage after a man was stabbed outside the british museum in london. a man who was taken to hospital with stab wounds has since been discharged. a 37 year old male was arrested in connection with the incident and later charged. but police say they believe a number of people may have video of the incident or the aftermath of the incident or the aftermath of what happened, which may help with their investigation . the with their investigation. the metropolitan police say three people are facing trial for

allegedly breaching the official secrets act. five people were arrested in february as part of an investigation by the met's counter—terrorism command . three counter—terrorism command. three of the five who are believed to be bulgarian were later charged with possession of false identity documents, and they appeared in court last month. all five have been released on bail until september four in the united states. donald trump says he'll release a detailed report next monday on what he's calling election fraud , referring to the election fraud, referring to the 2020 us election . the former 2020 us election. the former president has been landed with a fourth indictment, this time from the state of georgia, accusing him of trying to overturn his election loss to joe biden. he's called the fourth set of charges a witch hunt. the 13 charges include falsely declaring election fraud had happened, urging state officials to violate their oaths by altering election results. donald trump is still the front

runner as the republican nominee for next year's presidential election, and he denies any wrongdoing . back here in the uk wrongdoing. back here in the uk , nhs hospitals in england will get a £250 million boost from the government to increase capacity as part of the urgent emergency care recovery plan . emergency care recovery plan. the money will create 900 beds to relieve pressures and help cut waiting lists. 30 nhs trusts will benefit from the investment . the majority of schemes will be completed by january to help deal with winter pressures . and deal with winter pressures. and finally, today marks two years since the taliban took control of afghanistan following the withdrawal of western allies , withdrawal of western allies, people demonstrated outside parliament earlier on today in solidarity with afghans who oppose taliban rule. aid organisation . actions have also organisation. actions have also urged government ministers not to abandon the afghan people. you're with gb news across the uk on your tv, in your car , on

uk on your tv, in your car, on your digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news. back now to michelle dewberry . dewberry. >> thanks for that, polly. our michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight along staff member panel scarlett mccgwire a former labour adviser and housewives favourite , ben habib, also known favourite, ben habib, also known as the ceo of first property group and a member of the reform uk party . uk party. >> oh, you get a little bluster. you want to say that? bless him, i'm sure you're a housewife's favourite as well, but you know, possibly not compared to ben, i hardly think so , am i? mum, hardly think so, am i? mum, i told you my mum was saying high praise about you the other day . praise about you the other day. i was thinking, oh, can you imagine if ben habib was my step dad? she's got a partner. dad? well, she's got a partner. so you're saying all. so you're saying it's all. you're all. absolutely. i thought to thought we were going to exchange numbers later. >> no, no, no. >> my and her partner will >> my mum and her partner will be watching this, i am sure. anyway, the drill, anyway, you know the drill, don't you? it's not just about anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it's not just about anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it'aboutjust about anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it'about you about anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it'about you at)ut anyway, you know the drill, d01three. ? it'about you at home us three. it's about you at home as what's on mind

as well. what's on your mind tonight? in touch. gb views tonight? get in touch. gb views us gbnews.com or you can us at gbnews.com or you can tweet me at gb news. my first email tonight from amy. she email tonight is from amy. she says, michelle, i think you're email tonight is from amy. she sayzand chelle, i think you're email tonight is from amy. she sayzand cilike , i think you're email tonight is from amy. she sayzand cilike your ink you're email tonight is from amy. she sayzand cilike your shirt, u're email tonight is from amy. she sayzand cilike your shirt, but fab and i like your shirt, but your reminds me of my your dress reminds me of my aunfie your dress reminds me of my auntie jennifer's wallpaper from the . what can i say? the early 90s. what can i say? jennifer you're sorry? amy your aunfie jennifer you're sorry? amy your auntie jennifer was ahead of her time. she clearly had very good taste. anyway, i've got lots coming your way tonight. illegal working in just a second, i want to about the nhs more to ask you about the nhs more money. really? is that the answer ? is privatisation answer? is privatisation inevitable now? and if so, would that be as bad as we are perhaps led to believe ? i also want to led to believe? i also want to talk to you as well about stupid kids taking paracetamol. overdose is deliberately for social media. kudos a police chief now is saying that parents have got to get a grip of their kids, but i fear that that ship might have sailed. what do you make to it anyway? we've got it all come, but top story all to come, but top story tonight, gb news exclusive live. we've now discovered that there's huge increase in there's been a huge increase in illegal migrants working in the

delivery sector. long story short , what happens, it seems, short, what happens, it seems, is that people , legitimate is that people, legitimate riders and workers , they're riders and workers, they're going out, they're joining these companies . they have right companies. they have the right to and all the rest it, to work and all the rest of it, but they then allowing other but they are then allowing other people use their accounts people to use their accounts basically for a fraction of the cost, taking a percentage off them. and then these guys are working illegally. and obviously earning way below the minimum wage. lots of conversation about this, right? ben habib but first and foremost, do you think it's ever realistic to entirely stop illegal working in this country? >> well, i think for those people who are outside the entitlement to work legally, of course, the only option is to work illegally, isn't it? and this is a great example of how how illegal migration or people who've arrived in the country illegally so as not to offend anyone else on the other side of the debate , you know how they're the debate, you know how they're forced out and enticed and forced out and enticed and

forced into taking these sort of black market jobs ? the thing for black market jobs? the thing for me here is not so much the loss to the exchequer necessarily of tax money that, you know, the exchequer may or may otherwise have got it. actually, in your example, i don't think the exchequer would have lost anything because tax would have been paid person who was been paid by the person who was subcontracting. there right to work. but also, if you're work. but but also, if you're really hardly ever working at all, you've got about 12 all, i think you've got about 12 is something before is it 12,750 or something before you is it 12,750 or something before you pay is it 12,750 or something before you pay a penny tax anyway. >> so i wonder how much some of these people are earning and therefore are therefore how much tax we are losing anyway, by the way, because they sub sub the because they sub the sub the 12,000 about if some people are on below the minimum wage, on way below the minimum wage, for well, even if for example. well, or even if they were just on minimum wage but not working that many hours, then going lower then they're going to be lower than threshold. than the threshold. >> right side of the >> i mean, the right side of the tax anyway. it's not the tax net anyway. but it's not the tax net anyway. but it's not the tax that worries me so much tax man that worries me so much . it's happening to the . it's what's happening to the competitiveness in competitiveness of british in industry. and i use industry in the broader sense. obviously,

this is a service business. >> what do you mean in what way? >> what do you mean in what way? >> well, because i mean, the reason are able to do reason employers are able to do this, wish to do it is because employing british citizens is expensive and it's expensive because we have restrictive, restrictive employment laws and we have very high taxes on the worker. so you know, we've got this crazy situation where there are 1.4 million job vacancies , are 1.4 million job vacancies, but we've got 5.9 million people taking some universal credit, you know, and taking universal credit and 2.4 million people not even attempting to get a job. that's twice as much as it was before lockdown even. and there's a broken down labour market at the moment. and that for me is more worrying. the other thing, the other takeaway from this, though, just quickly before i finish, is to say that , you know, these people are obviously level obviously without the same level of benefits . even of they do get benefits. even people who've entered the country illegally get benefits, but much benefits but they get much fewer benefits than british citizens do. and you see how they're motivated to

work . and it's interesting, work. and it's interesting, isn't it, that if you effectively lower the burden of regulation , lower taxation, take regulation, lower taxation, take away the safety net, it pushes people into work, which is what's happened with these people. we don't like it. it's undercutting british, british workers. but it's a really good microcosm. example of why deregulation lower taxes and less benefits is better for the uk economy. >> scholar well, i don't agree with that at all. >> i mean, i think the first thing is that what you're talking about is it's an interesting new new way of illegal working , that you have illegal working, that you have people who are perfectly legal, basically subcontracting, subcontracting. so actually, these people who then do nothing wrong, make money out of exploiting people who are illegal. i mean , obviously, the illegal. i mean, obviously, the tax the tax man is not affected because these people take a lot of money and then give some of it to the people who are

actually doing the work. so what it is, is it's about and this is what's always happening with illegal working is, is it's exploiting people who were either working incredibly long hours and or for incredibly low pay - pay- >> i mean, so what's the answer then? >> there's never been an answer . i mean, the problem is i mean, there's nothing new. this is a new scam. but there's nothing new scam. but there's nothing new about illegal working. i mean, it goes it goes it goes back probably to i mean , back probably to i mean, certainly to the last century , certainly to the last century, right? i mean, so there's nothing new about people coming in not being legal. and working. so the i mean, the only thing that one can do, which is actually what the government has been doing for decades, is, is you impose you impose as many restrictions as possible. >> well, i think that's the opposite, scarlett, of what's needed, because the more restrictions you put in place, the employers moment the more employers moment restrictions are the more restrictions there are the more loopholes and regulations there are to exploit. and that's why

people move away from the regulated market, because it's far too regulated and far too highly taxed. and the people to the black market, the people who are who on the black market, are who are on the black market, who are illegal immigrants. >> right. they're people who cannot work legally. this isn't about this isn't about overregulation . this is about overregulation. this is about people where this is the only way they can. do you think they should be able to work legally? >> those people? >> those people? >> i think it depends where where going. where we're going. >> people that are >> so the people that are crossing the channel now are languishing in four hotels languishing in four star hotels and rest of it, not able and all the rest of it, not able to you think they to work. do you think they should be able to? >> i tell you what i think should be happening is what used to about years ago is to happen about 20 years ago is that should processed that they should be processed within that's not within weeks, not that's not going to happen. >> ship sailed long nato >> that ship sailed long nato that hasn't sailed because that ship hasn't sailed because you've nearly 200,000 people. >> but it is ridiculous. >> but but so it is ridiculous. it is ridiculous what's happening the moment that we happening at the moment that we have stuffed into hotels have people stuffed into hotels . want put them on . they want to put them on barges. to them barges. they want to put them here instead actually here instead of actually spending that money on on

processing. and you send the people home or you say, yes, you're refugees and you can stay andifs you're refugees and you can stay and it's that simple and is the only way this this this way of sort of saying, oh, we're going to put them on barges is just another of spending money. i another way of spending money. i mean , we do they not need to be mean, we do they not need to be controlled and monitored until we understand who they are , what we understand who they are, what their beliefs are, what i'm saying is it should be done properly. and at the moment, people are in, as you say , are people are in, as you say, are in hotels very unhappily, unhappily for the people who would like to be in the hotels, for the people who live near and the people in the hotels , the people in the hotels, because we've got we've got an immigration system that does not work. and instead of actually putting the money into making it work, into having immigration officers who process the claims and then send people home who shouldn't be here, we mess about with with everything else, whether whether whether people should work or not. i mean, if you did it quickly, then there

wouldn't be an issue. >> see, i think rishi sunak is missing a trick. right. and if any of rishi sunaks advisers or maybe rishi himself is watching dewbs& co they can have this idea for free on me, right? what i would do if i was rishi sunak is you've got all these people, you've got a massive economically inactive workforce. labour force loads of people are not working for whatever reason. you've got loads of people now that have left world of that have left the world of work. i know, for whatever work. i don't know, for whatever reason might enough reason they might have enough money. to work, money. they're not want to work, whatever the would like whatever the i would say, like you like kitchiner you remember like the kitchiner advert needs, you advert your country needs, you look face, everyone. look at his face, everyone. right. i've come with right. i've i've come out with a really good idea if you could see the way that ben habib is looking at me as to say. what looking at me as if to say. what is she talking about? >> no, no, i'm. i'm concentrating. i'm it all concentrating. i'm taking it all on board. >> we're talking the >> we're talking about is the answer. going to answer. right? it's going to help. to help the help. it's going to help the scenario that we're in. so you do country needs you do like your country needs you adverts and what you do is say, right, we create this right, we need to create this new an administration new not like an administration army. so come back into the world work. going to do

world of work. we're going to do a training course. we're to going have this massive crack team that team of people all that can process asylum claims. process these asylum claims. so you labour market you get your labour market working, you your asylum working, you get your asylum backlog, processed , backlog, rapidly processed, right? go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii? go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii think go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii think that's go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii think that's what go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii think that's what i go. backlog, rapidly processed, rigii think that's what i was >> i think that's what i was saying. i completely agree. you told me ship sailed, told me this ship had sailed, but actually is what we but actually that is what we need do. what we need need to do. that's what we need to that's the only to do. that's that's the only way we can do it. >> i think viewers that watch my programme, think they programme, i think that they would return into the maybe would return back into the maybe people retired and maybe people have retired and maybe people have retired and maybe people or people don't want to work or don't to work whatever. don't need to work or whatever. i there's in this i think there's people in this country believe that country that believe that immigration not immigration or the not immigration, but the channel crossings of control crossings are so out of control now, would apply their now, they would apply their skills, time and efforts skills, their time and efforts into helping process this delay. am i right? am i wrong? i don't know. why is no one come up with this idea? it's not rocket science, is it? >> well, i do agree that once people are here and they've made an asylum application that should dealt with as speedily should be dealt with as speedily as possible. >> but not being. >> yeah, but it's not being. that's my point. >> agree. agree. >> no, i agree. i agree. >> no, i agree. i agree. >> takes literally years at >> it takes literally years at

the right. the moment. yeah, right. >> not >> used to. not >> used to. not >> it used to be a hell of a lot faster. >> it used to be 4 or 5 weeks. yeah >> right. >> right. >> and so then what changed it. what changed. well we got we've got incompetent government haven't got a home office >> we've got a home office sacked a lot of civil servants. >> well we haven't got 100,000 civil servants added to the payroll. lot of other payroll. an awful lot of other things. there was 493,000 things. no there was 493,000 in 2010. in 2010, we had austerity . we and we got rid of a lot. we got rid of a lot of civil servants. >> that's not right. scarlett. 493,000in employed in the civil service in 2010. 590,000 now employed. the tories have expanded it, but of course with expansion doesn't necessarily come efficiency, you know, they also didn't what they didn't do was they didn't expand the asylum claim. >> i mean, that that's what we're talking about. a tiny bit of the civil service, right? that needs that needs to be properly done . is that what we properly done. is that what we needis properly done. is that what we need is more people who know what they're doing and they have

to be trained . to be trained. >> right. well, there you go. let's let's do like a rallying call. the asylum admin army, thatis call. the asylum admin army, that is an idea we've come up with on dewbs & co would you be with on dewbs& co would you be up for it? paid of course. we wouldn't expect you to volunteer your time for free. maybe that would fix it. why though ? do you would fix it. why though? do you think things taking so think these things are taking so long first place? now long in the first place? now listen this. apparently say listen to this. apparently i say the apparently, i've never listen to this. apparently i say the pullediarently, i've never listen to this. apparently i say the pulled for ntly, i've never listen to this. apparently i say the pulled for anything never listen to this. apparently i say the pulled for anything inver listen to this. apparently i say the pulled for anything in all been pulled for anything in all my but another poll today my life. but another poll today is saying apparently half is saying that apparently half of are thereabouts of us there are thereabouts thinks need another brexit thinks we need another brexit referendum in the next decade . referendum in the next decade. and are you one of those people? if so, tell me your thought process, because to me it seems

radio. >> hello there, michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me. scarlett mccgwire, a former labour adviser and ben habib, the ceo of first property group and a member of the reform uk party. we've just been talking about illegal working , jeff says. illegal working, jeff says. simple. make it a criminal

offence. then you issue a fine. if a company an illegal if a company hires an illegal worker, well , it already an worker, well, it is already an offence actually they're offence and actually they're saying that they're going to increase next year. increase the fines next year. they're do they're going to do a consultation about it. but get this, used to be fined this, you used to be fined something. well actually it's 15. it was £15,000. you're fine for a employing an illegal worker. they're now proposing putting it up to £45,000 if you're a landlord renting it out to someone that shouldn't be here. you used to get a £5,000 fine. they're now pushing that or proposing to push it up to about 80. so i mean, you know, they are really like, you know, increasing these fines as ridiculous amount . ian in ridiculous amount. ian in hampshire likes my idea of the asylum admin army the triple a's he'd be up for it. good let's see if we can get some momentum. let's leave it to us. de—man rishi dewbs& co we'll sort it all out, won't we? anyway let's talk brexit. do you think we should have another brexit referendum? um, i mean, honestly, i always say this as

well. that's mad. but a new well. that's gone mad. but a new poll found that almost half poll has found that almost half of voters, including, by the way, leavers apparently way, 1 in 5 leavers apparently say that there should be another brexit referendum within the next decade . i'm going to lean next decade. i'm going to lean to first, ben habib, what do to you first, ben habib, what do you think? >> well, they've got deliver >> well, they've got to deliver brexit before they can actually have another referendum. we still haven't got the entire united kingdom out of the european union . northern ireland european union. northern ireland has been left behind , subject to has been left behind, subject to eu laws adjudicated by an eu court. the united kingdom as a whole is hitched at the hip from a regulatory perspective to the eu in state aid, competition, environment, including an international treaty commitment now to delivering net zero competition. did i say that employment state aid and we are also committed to the european convention of human rights through the brexit deal that rishi sunak that boris johnson and david frost signed so we could leave that, though, can't

we? >> we don't have to have another brexit referendum. you could leave echr yeah. leave the echr yeah. >> what saying is we've >> so what i'm saying is we've got to leave the eu before they can another can justify having another referendum . having said that, if referendum. having said that, if they were to have a referendum , they were to have a referendum, we would be voting to join an incredibly different eu to the one we left. how so? because this eu used to only have the right, for example, the eu is at its heart a wealth redistribution programme and the mechanism by which that was done was member states contributing money and then the and brussels, then divvying it out. now the eu, contrary actually to the initial treaties of the eu , initial treaties of the eu, borrows money on top of the money that it gets from its member states. so it is a very highly indebted institution . highly indebted institution. you've got very highly indebted countries made. they were highly indebted before lockdown, even more highly indebted now, and the other thing that we would have to do if we joined the eu now would be to adopt the euro.

and we know from masses of examples that that's a set that thatis examples that that's a set that that is a requirement, that is a requirement of eu accession. now thatis requirement of eu accession. now that is a stated requirement. cast iron, you're not. yeah, you're not allowed to you're not allowed to keep your currency. so we would have to effectively give up the and we know give up the pound. and we know through examples that through oodles of examples that the euro doesn't work. it acts as a noose around your economic neck. when things don't work out. >> what do you make to this, scarlett well , unlike you two, scarlett well, unlike you two, i'm a remainer. >> i think that that i have yet to be convinced that there's anything good about brexit. however, i think another referendum in the next ten years would be a disaster. i just i mean, and it's not to going happen. it is absolutely not going to happen that that that we're going to go through what we're going to go through what we went through. again, the polarisation of the country. i think it would it would be it would be it would be. it would be absolutely terrible. so from

the other side, i agree with ben that actually we have to we have to negotiate properly and we have to negotiate out a proper deal. have to negotiate out a proper deal . well, with the eu , that is deal. well, with the eu, that is going to work because at the moment nothing works and all we've got is a lot of anger. >> i mean, actually what we've doneis >> i mean, actually what we've done is leave the eu and keep all the eu structures is that govern us in place . that's what govern us in place. that's what we've done. we've, we've adopted the worst possible outcome of leaving the eu . leaving the eu. >> right. but why? why why? >> right. but why? why why? >> so you telling me the same reason sits there and goes, do you know what? >> i know what i'm going to do to help bolster my popularity and re—elected. to and get re—elected. i'm going to make dog's dinner of make a complete dog's dinner of brexit keep us half in and brexit and keep us half in and mess northern ireland. mess up northern ireland. >> michelle, the >> and michelle, it's the same reason why the service reason why the home service doesn't we can't doesn't work, why we can't process asylum claims. it's the same reason why the nhs doesn't work and waiting lists have work and why waiting lists have doubled. it's the same reason why we control the flow of why we can't control the flow of why we can't control the flow of

why complete , utter why it's complete, utter governance in competence. we have a bunch of people running the country who haven't got a clue how to do it. we've got a civil service that seems an opposite fashion to the political will mandate that was given to successive governments, including governing, when you're including governing, when you're including obviously the brexit mandate, the biggest democratic mandate, the biggest democratic mandate given to any government. and then parliamentarians and the and the civil service behind them stood up and basically frustrate it. we do not have proper governance in this country at the moment. we need root and branch reform and which is why i'm part of literally see the little sales pitch there. >> everyone, did you notice it? why are you groaning when he's talking? >> but because the whole problem is, is that what we were told was, was the brexit the oven ready brexit deal was far from oven ready and far , far from oven ready and far, far from deal oven ready and far, far from deal. the there will always be a problem with northern ireland and brexit, right? there needn't be. there has to be. there

wouldn't there needs not be a problem with northern ireland? well we have to have a border somewhere right. and there's already a border. there is an agreement that there won't be a border, land, a land border, a land, a land border. >> where is that agreement in >> so where is that agreement in the good friday? no, it's not the good friday? no, it's not the good friday agreement recognises and accepts the existence of northern ireland and the border. but it's but it's not a border. >> it's a border . it it's not a border. >> it's a border. it was it's not a border. >> it's a border . it was done >> it's a border. it was done when northern ireland was in the eu. the other problem is look, i mean , it's really , really mean, it's really, really difficult to, uh, to divorce your nearest trading partner. and that's what we found is, is that so? originally, we were supposed to have all these trading posts. none of them are being used. i mean , the problem being used. i mean, the problem is that brexit, i mean, you know, we all know that boris johnson , the day after he won johnson, the day after he won the brexit referendum , he swore the brexit referendum, he swore and said, what on earth have we done? we've got no plan. and that was the whole problem was

that was the whole problem was that that for him brexit was a game. um, and, and it hadn't been thought through and it's still completely endorse and agree was he was he was agree that he was he was he was he was he was the morning after the referendum he was virtually dumbfounded, downhearted and visibly shaken when he made his victory speech. >> he should have been punching the i should have been over the moon at that point. i remember thinking, this man is not behind the agenda. >> that is because if you >> but that is because if you ask my humble opinion, there is this massive disconnect between those people operate in those people that operate in terms of politically running this your every man this country and your every man on street. i think that on the street. and i think that that disconnect was so that kind of disconnect was so vast that they didn't for a million years. i don't think they envisaged the turn out. i don't think that they envisaged that loads of people that are not massively politically engaged turned on engaged would have turned out on this and certainly this one issue. and i certainly don't that they would have don't think that they would have envisaged that people would have actually have gone for brexit. and actually think and i still don't actually think that of that there's much more of a connection between the political circle. not at and but

circle. not at all. and sky, but actually mean, what we actually what i mean, what we need to know is what people were really voting for. >> brexit the eu . we >> brexit leaving the eu. we haven't left. >> what does that mean ? >> what does that mean? >> what does that mean? >> well, you tell me that she's asking you, did you vote for brexit? what was it you voted for? i voted for brexit and i would say ultimate sovereignty for the for this country to be the ultimate. the buck stops with you you are responsible you and you are responsible exclusively for what you succeed at and what you fail at. that's what i voted for. what you what i voted for. what did you vote you voted for vote for when you voted for brexit? good weather for that'd be nice, wouldn't it? let's look see what the weather's doing. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers, proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. most areas enjoyed a dry day on tuesday and it's more of the same as we head into wednesday. dry and fine for many. yes, there will be some isolated showers around, but most places will be dry. and in that sunshine feeling quite warm. we look at the pressure pattern. see it's pattern. then you can see it's all to the area of high

all thanks to the area of high pressure continues to build pressure that continues to build in the country. that's in across the country. that's what's and what's settling things down and that's going lead to a that's what's going to lead to a dry night tonight vast dry night tonight for the vast majority. clear across majority. clear skies across england northern england and wales, northern ireland, more cloud ireland, but a bit more cloud across of scotland a across parts of scotland with a few continuing at least few showers continuing at least through of the night. through the start of the night. but under those clear skies, we could 1 or 2 mist and fog could see 1 or 2 mist and fog patches and also turn quite chilly well rural chilly as well in some rural spots, temperatures falling into single more prone single figures in more prone spots. towns and cities, spots. but in towns and cities, temperatures to temperatures holding up 10 to 13 c. under those clear 13 c. so under those clear skies, a fine skies, we get off to a fine start for much of the country. some sunshine, mist some early sunshine, any mist and are lifting and fog patches are lifting quite again, we hang on quite readily. again, we hang on to bit cloud across parts to a bit more cloud across parts of with a few showers of scotland with a few showers here continuing throughout the day. see day. elsewhere, we could see 1 or isolated showers, but or 2 isolated showers, but again, be fairly unlucky again, you'll be fairly unlucky to places will to catch one. most places will be with sunny spells we be dry with sunny spells as we head the afternoon in that head into the afternoon in that sunshine warm. sunshine feeling warm. temperatures 14 temperatures ranging from 14 across north, but widely across the far north, but widely into the low to mid 20 s, 26 degrees there towards the south—east those south—east feeling warm in those light the same as light winds. more of the same as we head into thursday. most places dry, a bit

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mess, isn't it? what are we going to do about it? more money being but some being pumped in today. but some people you know what, being pumped in today. but some pe0|governmentou know what, being pumped in today. but some pe0|government approved. hat, being pumped in today. but some pe0|government approved. they the government approved. they could they cannot. could not. they cannot. they will to effectively will not be able to effectively run health service. is it run this health service. is it time for the private sector to take over?

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 scarlett mccgwire a former labour advisor alongside me as is ben habib, the ceo of the first property group, and a member of the reform party . let's talk nhs, reform party. let's talk nhs, shall we? because the government has revealed plans to pump £250 million into the nhs. has revealed plans to pump £250 million into the nhs . of course, million into the nhs. of course, to try and manage these waiting lists. labour have accused the government of offering the nhs a sticking plaster. don't forget we've got about 7.6 million people on the waiting list in england , the nhs, whatever way england, the nhs, whatever way you look at it. and yes, we can all sit there and say these

individual doctors and nurses and they're all working and they're all great and that's brilliant. as an institution brilliant. but as an institution , as an effective deliverer of a service, it's failed , hasn't it? service, it's failed, hasn't it? it's really bad at the moment, but when you talk about privatisation , you think the privatisation, you think the water companies , they were great. >> i mean, come on, what we need is proper. the real problem with the nhs is staff. there's no question about that . first of question about that. first of all, we, we don't train enough and then we don't retain enough. and if we had proper staffing for the nhs , then actually it for the nhs, then actually it would it would completely change. >> do we still have caps at medical school places in this country? yes why? see, that's something. why don't you ask the government? >> i mean, because they're not here. >> i'm asking you . >> i'm asking you. >> i'm asking you. >> asking me when ? >> you're asking me when? actually what labour says is we would we would have more medical schools and more doctors. schools and train more doctors. >> would cap on there. >> well, you only put a cap because there's a limit to how many people you can train at a

time, i mean, can't time, right? i mean, you can't go and train 100,000 doctors. you've got to train them properly. so for instance, in sunderland, they're talking about a medical school and they've got the vice chancellor of sunderland university to sign up to it , to look at it up to it, to look at it properly, to talk to sunderland hospital about how it works, training a doctor. i mean , you training a doctor. i mean, you know, when you go to a doctor, you want somebody who knows what they're doing. ideally i'm an absolute me. so, so that that's what you have to have. you want , you want you want trained nurses, you want you want lots more stuff. and instead what you're having is, is gaps all the time. i mean, you can't judge the nhs when it's so badly understaffed and the morale is so bad. it's all about staffing, actually. >> so no to privatisation, yes to state control, but perhaps just not this government. you think the labour government instead? >> oh, i think i mean i think what wes streeting who would be the next health secretary if

labour wins the election? i mean what he is absolutely dedicated to turning the nhs around. >> remember this was so why are they smashing out the parking wales then? >> because they don't have enough money to hire. >> oh that old chestnut. >> oh that old chestnut. >> well, there is a real look. there is a real, real problem right about . about. about right about. about. about a about having enough. i mean, so . so this this government can choose to spend more on their health. >> this is what i don't understand about labour spending. on if labour are the answer to fixing the nhs and if we vote keir starmer and we're going have this wonderful going to have this wonderful service, better service, there is no better opportunity in opportunity than right now in the and now for labour who the here and now for labour who earn essentially overlook, oversee and fund the welsh nhs for them to use that as their proof concept and proof of concept and demonstrate, at what we can demonstrate, look at what we can do and they are not doing that. some argue in some some would argue that in some cases nhs is even worse. >> the problem with devolution is that you have the welsh government doing it, you have the welsh government and i was

going to endorse you against always someone else's fault though, because it's labour run and what i'm saying is labour are not making a great job of it. no, but what, what i'm saying is, is that that instead of actually trying to deal with it, what the tories do is they 90, it, what the tories do is they go, oh no, anybody tories. >> i'm asking you if labour is so good and they're going to fix this service so we can all rely on it, why are they not demonstrating that leading from the front and showing us what they're of in wales? they're capable of in wales? >> it because? >> because it is because? because the problem with devolution, the problem with devolution, the problem with devolution , is that it's devolution is, is that it's problematic about health has been devolved and they can also raise their taxes and they can raise their taxes and they can raise their taxes and they can raise their spending if that's what they want do. what they want to do. >> and they've got control of their local nhs, they can't spend in wales their local nhs, they can't spehealth in wales their local nhs, they can't spehealth spend in wales their local nhs, they can't spehealth spend than in wales their local nhs, they can't spehealth spend than you wales their local nhs, they can't spehealth spend than you doles their local nhs, they can't spehealth spend than you do in; england. >> if my memory serves me right, which i think it does. >> i don't think it does >> no, i don't think it does actually. but i think one can fact check that. yes i think. but i think what's important is i actually the about i mean, actually the thing about wales is that if you talk about

if talk to patients, if you if you talk to patients, they're happier. so they're much happier. so actually, there is a there is a decent service in wales benhabib's not looking convinced. >> well, i mean, i think there are going on with the are two things going on with the nhs. >> $- ? the first nhs. >> the first thing is a >> i think the first thing is a structural problem, which is that it was set up, the that when it was set up, the average life expectancy 68. average life expectancy was 68. it's the population of it's now 81. the population of the around 50 the united kingdom is around 50 million. 68 million. million. it's now 68 million. give or take. you know, number of we can't really count of people. we can't really count because they're we don't know whether they're or not. the whether they're here or not. the illegal but the illegal migrants, but the population up. population is up. >> aren't allowed to use it. >> you aren't allowed to use it. >> you aren't allowed to use it. >> population up. the >> the population is up. the life expectancy is up. so in a sense, it's become a victim of its own success. also treatment has become a lot more expensive since, know, since 1948. we since, you know, since 1948. we now have very complex treatments for very serious ailments, which can cost hundreds of thousands of pounds on occasion, which obviously we didn't have in when the nhs was set up. so in a sense it's a victim of its own success and the advancement of medicine and it becomes ever

more difficult for an nhs to provide free. you know, free free medical at the point of delivery. so that's the first thing. the other thing is that we utterly broke the nhs in the pursuit apparent to protect it and locking down the country. we became just the covid, the covid sort of service , didn't we? sort of service, didn't we? >> and primarily a national covid service. >> yeah, that's that's. i knew you had a brilliant expression for it. >> yes, i know. because people get in touch and say, shut up, michelle. without covid michelle. people without covid was know that was treated. yes, i know that they were, but it was predominantly a national covid cancer undiagnosed, worried cancer went undiagnosed, worried about covid. about people dying of covid. >> weren't in >> i mean, people weren't in there because they've got there just because they've got covid. there like covid. people were in there like bofis covid. people were in there like boris johnson, they boris johnson, where they thought he was going to die. yeah, right . and that's but yeah, right. and that's but that's what the fact, remember, was that had a pandemic. was that we had a pandemic. >> but you also had >> nick yeah, but you also had these hospitals these nightingale hospitals that you'd in. you'd apparently locked up in. no time to deal exclusively with covid. and you barely touch covid. and you barely even touch them weren't them because there weren't enough nurses

i >> -- >> that's emma >> that's the whole problem . >> that's the whole problem. >> that's the whole problem. >> well, the nightingale hospitals completely ill hospitals were completely ill conceived all had conceived because they all had spirometers and spirometers turned the wrong turned out to be the wrong treatment. completely ridiculous for covid. but >> but there weren't any nurses and the is, you know , and the point is, you know, cardiovascular disease went untreated. >> cancer treatment went on, cancer diagnosis went on, went by the wayside . so we've emerged by the wayside. so we've emerged with the national health service broken contrary to what we said would happen. so you've got two major problems and with the competence of this government, the chances of fixing it are zero. well, could you do you have the solution? >> you fix the essay. >> maybe you can fix the essay. as says, the government as ben says, the government have no it. have you no chance of fixing it. have you got any better ideas at home? get touch and tell me get in touch and tell me something. up after the something. coming up after the break. this world. i am telling you, day. this you, i say it every day. this world mad. kids kids, world is going mad. kids kids, teenagers taking as many paracetamols as they can see paracetamols as they can to see who hospitalised . for the who can be hospitalised. for the longest absolute pillock . longest you absolute pillock. who's for this

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry till 7:00. scarlett mccgwire a former labour adviser alongside me, as is ben habib, the ceo of first property group, and a member of the reform uk party. now parents honesty . we party. now parents honesty. we sit down everyone, because you won't believe how ridiculous this next one is. the parents have been issued with a warnings after teenagers have taken paracetamol to see who could stay in hospital for the longest. so who can take the most paracetamol? who can have the longest stay. the longest hospital stay. it's been claimed that this is part of a new tik tok challenge. i've got to say, every day i just think that people cannot become a little bit more thick and every single day i am surprised because indeed they do. and now the new police chairman, donald jones, has called on parents jones, she has called on parents to get a grip. her words , and to get a grip. her words, and stop these children joining these so—called crazes . and i'm these so—called crazes. and i'm asking and i think the answer is yes. but anyway, your answer is equally as important as mine. so do you think that parents have

lost a lost grip on their children? i do . children? i do. >> i think they always have. i mean, i think teenagers have rebelled against parents. yes, certainly. certainly in the for the last 70 years. i mean, i'm not quite sure what happened before . but but but i mean , i before. but but but i mean, i think it is really, really dangerous . think it is really, really dangerous. this and actually , i dangerous. this and actually, i think something should be done with tiktok . but but but i mean, with tiktok. but but but i mean, i remember i mean, literally decades ago in the 90s that this was happening. it wasn't on social media. it was in the schools . and they were they were happening. >> people outdoing each other with paracetamol overdoses . yeah. >> and going to hospital and it happened to a friend of mine's daughter and it was only when one of the girls died that they realised how dangerous it was . realised how dangerous it was. there is nothing new with children doing mad things and their parents not knowing about it until afterwards . it until afterwards. >> ben habib, what do you think ? >> well, 7

>> well, from what i hear, donna jones, she seems to be a breath of fresh air, doesn't she? she said a number of things recently which make complete sense to me, including parents getting a grip . think is i think . i think there is i think things are worse than they were. scarlet i mean, i think that there's been a progression of state interference family state interference in the family and encouragement. there has state interference. absolutely. >> what what what state interference ? interference? >> absolutely. we're encouraged. we're encouraged . and as as we we're encouraged. and as as we were in the last budget by the chancellor where he offered child care to mothers, parents for children as young as nine months old. so that they could get back into the workplace . and get back into the workplace. and increasingly, parents, because two parents are working and the state provides a full, full education from nine months on onwards , apparently because the onwards, apparently because the state is taking so much care of our children. that is important. critical parent child bond is weaker now than it used to be. when i was growing up. sorry

>> many, many, many years ago. ben no, not that many years ago. >> let's let's just be absolutely blunt because basically now a lot of mums work, whereas previously a lot of mums was at home. do you think society is better for mums? well, i think there are drawbacks too. >> think there drawbacks >> i think there are drawbacks to working and to both parents working and i think the family unit, which was so important and i think from which you learn so many values and which also gives you emotional and mental stability because you've got your family around you, you know that it has been attacked by the state and the state is ever invasive. of course, the state wants everyone out working because they can tax all of us. so there's a kind of this is beginning to be conspiracy. >> it's not a conspiracy theory. this is it's not a conspiracy theory. the family has not been attacked by the state. right. >> think it's a >> i don't think it's a deliberate attack. scarlet but the net result, the net result of the encouragement of parents to work and the provision of services and tax regimes, which

allows them to do that has militated against the coherent family unit . family unit. >> actually. what is that finally , i mean that when mrs. finally, i mean that when mrs. thatcher was prime minister and harriet harman in 1982 became became an mp, she said, what about provision for children and everybody laughed at her and said, that's a private matter. it is no longer a private matter. and the reason it's changed because so many women want to go out to work and found that there was no child care provision. >> well, yeah, but one of those reasons, though, i would say , reasons, though, i would say, and i am one of i'm probably one of the first generations that's truly kind of embodies this is we as women were told you can have all, you have all have it all, you can have all your you can have all your career, you can have all your career, you can have all your kids, you can do whatever your kids, you can do whatever you want and there will be no impact. and actually, because i was told multiple times was told that multiple times oven was told that multiple times over, have your life, over, you can have your life, you have career. we you can have your career. we waited were quite old waited until we were quite old before then started thinking, before we then started thinking, well, actually, let's have some kids you realise,

kids now. then you realise, guess can't even guess what? i can't even actually kids or actually have any kids now. or you up going date and you end up going on a date and saying guy, do you want saying to a guy, do you want a dnnk? saying to a guy, do you want a drink? and how many kids do you want pints because your want without pints because your biological so biological clock's ticking. so i think were sold a pup. well think we were sold a pup. well well, i mean, i don't i think i think did have it think basically i did have it all i, i was there impacts all and i, i was there impacts and consequences because yes you can have anything you want, but there are sacrifices impacts there are sacrifices and impacts and consequences. >> i think i would >> and look, i think i would have been a terrible full time mother i think children mother and i think my children were to be looked were very lucky to be looked after the time by people after some of the time by people who weren't me and instead, instead, i could have a fulfilling life. but actually, why should it have been me? what about fathers? it's always about the fathers? it's always about the fathers? it's always about women going out to work, right? and actually actually , right? and actually actually, it's two parents. yeah, but the parents responsibility of the family to set up their dynamic in that way. >> but whatever the cause, whatever the cause is, both parents are typically now working. and. and the state is basically taking over the bringing up of our children

through the school system. and i think that we've had. >> can i just say. >> can i just say. >> but they're becoming responsible for much broader array of education, including , array of education, including, for example, phc, which i can never remember what it stands for. but basically the social, you know, social guidance for children, something that schools are obliged to provide. but which is not regulated. and schools don't really understand how it should be delivered. and through that, through that this trans gender ideology and all this other stuff, all this other guff is being fed to our children outside of the family. >> okay. and what lines are being crossed away from the family, away from scrutiny ? and family, away from scrutiny? and what was fed to me in my school was my head teacher who who took religious lessons, said the only thing that was good about that labour had done was legalised . labour had done was legalised. >> i'll tell you what, just been fed to me is that the time has flown by. we're almost out of time, but i do have to just say i can't end my show without

saying i think you're spot on about some of the overreach in schools where our educational institutions somehow think that they days. they are parents. these days. i think disgraceful. one think it's disgraceful. but one of facts in life is that of the sad facts in life is that there is a third parent these days, and that is called the smart phone. and so many people, they just give parents they do just give the parents a responsibility to smart phones. that dangerous. if ask that is dangerous. if you ask me. look, that's all i've me. but look, that's all i've got for, scarlett. ben, got time for, scarlett. ben, thank you. to home thank you. thank you. at to home have good night, nigel farage. have a good night, nigel farage. up have a good night, nigel farage. up temperature's up next, the temperature's rising. up next, the temperature's risiiboxt solar. proud sponsors of >> boxt solar. proud sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. most areas enjoyed a dry day on tuesday , and it's dry day on tuesday, and it's more of the same as we head into wednesday. dry and fine for many. yes, there will be some isolated showers around, but most will be and in most places will be dry and in that sunshine quite that sunshine feeling quite warm. we at the pressure warm. we look at the pressure pattern. then you it's pattern. then you can see it's all thanks an area of high all thanks to an area of high pressure continues build pressure that continues to build in country. that's in across the country. that's what's things down what's settling things down and that's going to lead to that's what's going to lead to a dry night tonight for the vast majority. across majority. clear skies across england northern england and wales, northern ireland, more cloud

ireland, but a bit more cloud across parts of scotland with a few least few showers continuing at least through of the night. through the start of the night. but those clear skies, we but under those clear skies, we could see 1 or 2 and fog could see 1 or 2 mist and fog patches turn quite patches and also turn quite chilly well in some rural chilly as well in some rural spots, temperatures falling into single more prone single figures in more prone spots. towns and cities, spots. but in towns and cities, temperatures up to temperatures holding up 10 to 13 c. clear 13 c. so under those clear skies, we get off to fine skies, we get off to a fine start for the country, start for much of the country, some early sunshine, any mist and are lifting and fog patches are lifting quite we hang on quite readily. again we hang on to more cloud across parts to a bit more cloud across parts of scotland with a few showers here continuing throughout the day. we could day. elsewhere, we could see 1 or 2 isolated showers, but again, you'll be fairly unlucky or 2 isolated showers, but agcatch)u'll be fairly unlucky or 2 isolated showers, but agcatch one. be fairly unlucky or 2 isolated showers, but agcatch one. most rly unlucky or 2 isolated showers, but agcatch one. most placesucky or 2 isolated showers, but agcatch one. most places will to catch one. most places will be sunny spells as we be dry with sunny spells as we head afternoon in that head into the afternoon in that sunshine warm, sunshine feeling warm, temperatures 14 temperatures ranging from 14 across north, but widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the north, but widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the low north, but widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the low to ioi'th, but widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the low to mid but widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the low to mid 20s,widely temperatures ranging from 14 acro the low to mid 20s, 26iely into the low to mid 20s, 26 degrees towards the degrees there towards the southeast, feeling warm those southeast, feeling warm in those light of same as light winds. more of the same as we head into thursday. most places will be bit more places will be dry, a bit more cloud the east coast. at cloud towards the east coast. at first that burning back to the coast, elsewhere, increasing amounts of sunshine, feeling very warm as well, particularly towards west. isolated towards the west. just isolated showers once again, it turns warmer as head into warmer still as we head into friday. temperatures could reach

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