knows that hamas is everyone knows that hamas is a terrorist organisation. it's a proscribed terrorist organisation here in this country. every other news agency like the great gb news also considers this to be a terrorist organisation . what on earth? the organisation. what on earth? the director general thinks is going on? i don't know. but he so on? i don't know. but he is so far out touch with the people far out of touch with the people of this great country, and particularly jewish particularly the jewish community, but community, notjust here, but around the world. he's brought shame upon this institution and has case. now more has made the case. why now more than the british taxpayer than ever, the british taxpayer should have continue should not have to continue paying should not have to continue paying the telly tax . paying the telly tax. >> in meantime, in israel , >> in the meantime, in israel, the prime minister says he's warning his country is preparing for a ground invasion now of gaza. for a ground invasion now of gaza . benjamin netanyahu refused gaza. benjamin netanyahu refused to give details of the offensive, but again urged palestinians in the gaza strip to evacuate to the south of the country. that comes as israel has reportedly agreed to delay its ground invasion to allow the us to place missile defence systems around their assets in the middle east. meanwhile here

the middle east. meanwhile here the prime minister is refusing to support calls for a ceasefire, despite pressure from more than 80 mps to do so . more than 80 mps to do so. instead, rishi sunak is backing specific pauses. he says in the conflict to allow for the safe delivery of aid to the territory. five british people are among those still being held hostage in gaza . now now peter hostage in gaza. now now peter bowen has been suspended from the house of commons for six weeks over bullying and sexual misconduct of a staff member. the wellingborough mp denies guys the allegations, but has already been expelled from the tory party . it means another tory party. it means another by—election is looming for rishi sunak as a recall petition will now be arranged and a former south wales police officer has been jailed for life with a minimum term to serve of 12 years for sexual offences against children. lewis edwards used fake social media accounts and posed as a teenager to groom more than 200 girls online. he forced his victims to take

indecent photographs of themselves using the material. then to blackmail them. in sentencing , the judge described sentencing, the judge described his behaviour as cruel and sadistic . and just lastly, the sadistic. and just lastly, the gb news presenter, anne diamond has been made an obe at buckingham palace today , the buckingham palace today, the journalist received the honour from his majesty king charles for her services to public health and to charity and it recognised her campaigning efforts for research into cot death following the death of her own son, sebastiao , from sudden own son, sebastiao, from sudden infant death syndrome . our infant death syndrome. our congratulations to anne. you're with gb news across the uk on tv, in your car on digital radio and on your smart speaker by saying play gb news and now it's time to cross to nigel farage and say hello to cardiff . who

and say hello to cardiff. who. good evening . good evening. >> i'm live in cardiff. yeah no , >> i'm live in cardiff. yeah no, i did say last week . i did say last week. >> i did say last week that i was coming to cardiff and it didn't take me very long to get here. now here's the really good news that according to conde nast traveller cardiff with an outstanding score, has just been voted as the best city in the entire united kingdom. so there you are . give yourselves a crack i >> however . there are parts of >> however. there are parts of cardiff that i don't think are operating perhaps in the way they ought to be. >> one of them is the welsh parliament, the speaker of which has decided to ban gb news from television sets within that building and that's why i've decided to come down here today. i'm going to be discussing that in a moment with andrew davies and possibly getting some reaction from the crowd. but that of censorship up that kind of censorship up against a legal all registered

regulator , std news channel, regulator, std news channel, just based on the really , really just based on the really, really small minded opinions of this woman, ellen jones. frankly i think is a disgrace. and we will fight to get it overturned. now now, i have been having a little bit of trouble with the banks over the course of the last few months. and tomorrow , the months. and tomorrow, the natwest board meet to decide whether dame alison rose in a bank that is nearly 40% owned by us will walk out with a payout. of £115 us will walk out with a payout. of£11.3 million. who in the course of the last hour, the financial times have broken a story and it comes from the information commissioner's office. the ico have confirmed the details of the report and said in a statement, we have been clear with the bank that these actions were unacceptable , these actions were unacceptable, evil and should never happen again. dame alison rose has breached data protection laws.

she has breached client confidentiality . and it's not confidentiality. and it's not just me saying that this is the information commissioner's office and it would be an outrage. as i say , if she walked outrage. as i say, if she walked away with a huge sum of money, 40% of which is funded by you at home. and these people in the room, we need genuine reform of our banking system. now one of the reasons i finished up in such hot water with the bank was because of a south wales distinguished member of parliament. he he represents the rhondda , his name is sir chris rhondda, his name is sir chris bryant . and earlier on today, gb bryant. and earlier on today, gb news reporter ben leo caught up in westminster with sir chris. listen in nato gb news enjoyed your talk. >> would you like to make a proper apology to nigel farage for the fake news that you spread about his russia links ? spread about his russia links? yes i have corrected the record

in the house of commons and that's all i'm going to do. you did. but it was a rather mealy mouthed apology in july, just before recess, to an empty chamber. so you to chamber. so would you like to take the opportunity to do now? >> now, i'm not saying anything more. afraid. but thanks more. i'm afraid. but thanks for asking, because, chris, the lies you a long you spread have had a long lasting effect. >> cancelled. nigel and >> natwest cancelled. nigel and the trove of documents he unearthed yesterday showed that they were repeated by natwest staff, and that was the reason they de—banking him. you incorrectly said that chris christopher chandler had links to russia . you had to amend the to russia. you had to amend the record for that . you misled the record for that. you misled the leveson inquiry. record for that. you misled the leveson inquiry . you said that leveson inquiry. you said that the 2016 coup in turkey was unked the 2016 coup in turkey was linked to brexit. you were meant to be cleaning up parliament. you've just given an hour talk on cleaning up parliament, but you're part of the problem, aren't you? you're part of the problem, areii'm'ou? you're part of the problem, areii'm very happy for you to >> i'm very happy for you to broadcast whatever you want, but why properly why don't you apologise properly to can be with to nigel and we can be done with it? corrected record in it? i've corrected the record in the house of commons, which is

the house of commons, which is the correct way to do things. >> i you were a chair of >> i mean, you were a chair of the standards committee, but how. how was that? so when your standards your standards are so sloppy, your track particularly track records not particularly great. comes to the great. when it comes to the truth. it one last truth. is it one last opportunity? no proper apology to no apology . to nigel. no proper apology. would you like to come onto nigel's and have a chat nigel's show and have a chat with him properly about it? i have regularly turned down the offer appearing on gb news. offer of appearing on gb news. >> you very much. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> that's shame . >> that's a big shame. >> that's a big shame. >> thank very much. big >> thank you very much. a big thank. >> thank you very much. a big tha well, there we are. well >> well, there we are. well done, ben. leo. i've been looking fonnard to somebody catching sir chris catching up with sir chris bryant, who's mealy mouthed apology to me took place on the last afternoon before recess to an empty chamber and wasn't reported by the press. and he didn't even mention my name in the so—called apology. now back to back to banning of media all organisations, i'm pleased to say that i'm joined by andrew davies, leader of the conservatives here in the welsh parliament. welcome to the program this evening . good program this evening. good evening, nigel. >> great see you in cardiff. >> great to see you in cardiff. >> great to see you in cardiff.

>> yeah, well, you know, we were in just the other in newport just the other week and we were in port talbot not long before that. so we are bringing news to wales as bringing gb news to wales as much we all great places. >> but as you said in your introduction, cardiff is the best the uk, not just best city in the uk, not just wales the that's what wales but the uk. that's what these people think. wales but the uk. that's what the so jeople think. wales but the uk. that's what the so jeop know, ik. wales but the uk. that's what the so jeop know, our our big >> so you know, our our big cheen >> so you know, our our big cheer, big cheer . cheer, big cheer. >> very good. you know, i hadn't planned to come to cardiff. >> it wasn't on the rotor this quickly, but i'm afraid that dean jones from the welsh parliament, the cnf has brought me here. what on earth ? both. by me here. what on earth? both. by the way, we did write to mark drakeford about . about the fact drakeford about. about the fact the channel has been banned inside the parliament and he said nothing to do with me. well, it's true, actually. directly we this is. i mean, we may blame him for other things. it's possible. but but we can't blame this. how long blame him for this. how long have you got ? blame him for this. how long have you got? you'll get your chance. don't worry. yeah this wasn't directly him, but he could have made a comment.

andrew, what is going on? when gb news, which is an established brand both on radio and television, growing quickly, often beating other rivals . have often beating other rivals. have we been rapped on the knuckles by ofcom? did a stupidity occur on the channel a few weeks ago? yes. and in what organisation don't stupidities occur ? but don't stupidities occur? but what is going on when we get banned and gb news took swift action? >> when that comment came, they dismissed the person who made those comments and that was the right course of action. but you said in those remarks there he has said nothing neither has said nothing and neither have within have the other leaders within the welsh parliament said anything myself. it's anything other than myself. it's about choice. it at the end about choice. it is at the end of day, you don't to of the day, you don't have to tune into news. you don't tune into gb news. you don't have buy guardian have to buy the guardian newspaper. live in newspaper. but we live in a democracy and i'm wearing a poppy democracy and i'm wearing a poppy today and shows our poppy today and that shows our remembrance, act of remembrance, our act of remembrance, our act of remembrance people who remembrance for people who fought we could maintain fought so that we could maintain democracy and maintain choice. and democracy , see, you and in a democracy, see, you have to have plurality of the media. can choose the media. so people can choose the views buy views that they want to buy into. so what is the ban that in the welsh parliament? so what is

the welsh parliament? so what is the mindset, andrew, i mean by the mindset, andrew, i mean by the way, we did invite ellen jones the show. jones onto the show. >> no answer at all. but >> we got no answer at all. but what, doing her hair? what, busy doing her hair? >> no. >> no. >> well, maybe. is the >> well, maybe. what is the mindset? is the mindset? mindset? what is the mindset? >> it's about control at >> well, it's about control at the day, because the end of the day, because obviously don't any obviously they don't want any dissent voices they see dissent in voices as they see it, an alternative voice in it, or an alternative voice in their parliament. their their parliament. it's not their parliament. it's the people's parliament. it's the people's parliament. it's the parliament. and it's for the people to decide sits in people to decide who sits in that parliament and people that parliament and if people are by acts of are disgusted by these acts of censorship by the speaker or the presiding officer, they need to exercise their vote in 2026 and make that change happen , because make that change happen, because ultimately is a direct ultimately this is a direct assault on the news on the fourth estate that hold politicians like myself to account. and you can't pick and choose your favourites. you have to take and tumble. to take the rough and tumble. and as i said, going back to your earlier comment, i think the thing is there has the key thing here is there has been precious comment been precious little comment from from from the first minister, from the of the welsh the leader of the welsh nationalists he'd been nationalists who, if he'd been one of their chosen left wing papers the morning papers like the morning star, for they would have for example, they would have broken down an emotional breakdown. >> well, you know, as i say, we

gave her the chance to come on the show. she said that she wouldn't, i it a very, wouldn't, but i find it a very, very worrying trend . now, there very worrying trend. now, there are you i do are other areas you know, i do sort of think well, i at sort of think well, i look at what the waiting lists are in wales for the national health service and at delivery of service and look at delivery of other services in wales. service and look at delivery of otheyou services in wales. service and look at delivery of otheyou have ervices in wales. service and look at delivery of otheyou have to 'ices in wales. service and look at delivery of otheyou have to ask in wales. service and look at delivery of otheyou have to ask and iales. service and look at delivery of otheyou have to ask and people and you have to ask and people have for devolve have voted for devolve government wales, but you government in wales, but you have to whether have to begin to ask whether it's actually working for the welsh just wonder welsh people. butjust wonder when i see things being banned, when i see things being banned, when i see blanket speed limits, when i see blanket speed limits, when i see a health service that is doing even worse than england , i mean, that takes some doing these days, but it is. i wonder, is this the prototype for what a national labour government would be election be after the general election next that's my concern . next year? that's my concern. >> starmer is on >> well, keir starmer is on record saying for what we record as saying for what we would we came at the would do if we came at the government in westminster, look to doing, what to what we were doing, what we're wales. he we're doing in wales. he actually called it his blueprint for government. 1 in 4 people are on a waiting here in are on a waiting list here in wales, that's a massive wales, 1 in 4. that's a massive number of the population, over

750,000 people, 27,000 of them are waiting. two years or more. and when i say them, that's all of us. that's people in this room who've come from communities, the length and breadth of wales. and is that why draghi on? why mark draghi on? >> that why mark drakeford >> is that why mark drakeford got very with you the got very upset with you the other he tends to throw other week? he tends to throw his papers around and start shouting his papers around and start shoutirgoes, yes, goes very red. >> well, i have to say i, i rather enjoyed watching it. that's my job now. >> i did because it reminded me of the response i used to get to european commissioners . european commissioners. >> but here's the problem. andrew davis however, badly labour might be doing in terms of delivering good local government in wales and i think most people, even many labour voters, would agree that it's not working out very, very well yet another conservative national member of parliament, peter bone, today, you know, has been suspended for six weeks. there'll be another by—election in wellingborough. they'll probably if probably lose that as well. if you the national polls, you look at the national polls, the labour party are simply miles ahead they're miles miles ahead and they're miles

ahead. miles ahead and they're miles ahead . andrew not because people ahead. andrew not because people have a huge belief or faith in my opinion. in keir starmer they we look safe and solid compared to jeremy corbyn, but people just think you're not got into office in 2019 with a stonking great majority. didn't really believe what they said. haven't delivered and it's very difficult despite whatever's happening in wales or anywhere else. do you actually think the tory party has got a chance in hell next year against starmers labour ? labour? >> yes, i do. if we're clear in our message and we stick to our commitments, we've seen that recently blanket 20 mp recently with the blanket 20 mp when introduced the when labour introduced the blanket 20 here in wales we had a record number of petition signatories signed up to a welsh parliamentary petition for 460,000. and so when people know who's at fault and they can hold them to account, they don't like what they can see. and i think as the closer we get to an election, people will look at the labour party, look at their

record here in wales because it is blueprint what is their blueprint for what they want to do across the rest of the country. but we've got to rise challenge as well rise to the challenge as well and deliver and we have to deliver a narrative of how we're going to empower people. >> as you say, message, >> as you say, your message, your conservative >> as you say, your message, youranybody conservative >> as you say, your message, youranybody born conservative >> as you say, your message, youranybody born afterservative >> as you say, your message, youranybody born after 2009 ve and anybody born after 2009 can't a shop can't buy cigarettes in a shop is the message? is that the message? >> i'm a libertarian at >> well, i'm a libertarian at the end of the day, and i believe in choice, informed choice. and it goes back to the opening conversation. is opening conversation. what is the point? the message? the point? >> message? >> what is the message? why should conservative next should we vote conservative next year? andrew davies because we're party on your side we're the party on your side that deliver you, that will deliver for you, your family community family and your community will unleash your potential. >> should be left behind >> no one should be left behind and ultimately will stand up and ultimately we will stand up to deliver. >> that is the trouble with that is will be saying exactly is labour will be saying exactly the thing thank for the same thing and thank you for coming and giving a very coming on and giving a very spirited defence of your views. in moment went out onto the in a moment we went out onto the streets earlier on streets of cardiff earlier on today to find out just how popular the 24 over seven, 20 mile per hour speed limit was . i mile per hour speed limit was. i can't wait to see the results . can't wait to see the results. thank you . thank you.

thank you. thank you. >> well

listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back to cardiff . >> welcome back to cardiff. >> welcome back to cardiff. >> now , i have to say i don't >> now, i have to say i don't have a problem. >> i don't mind driving at 20 miles an hour max between eight and nine in the morning and three and four in the afternoon outside primary schools, outside hospital entrances. that makes sense think it's stone sense. i just think it's stone bonkers to have a 24 over seven limit of 20mph where, frankly, it's not appropriate. but it's happened here in wales. and gb news is christina curtis went out today into the streets of cardiff to get some public reaction. and remember, we touched on it at a moment ago in a country of 3 million people . a country of 3 million people. for 160,000 people have signed a petition to say they don't agree with 20mph. that is an absolute , with 20mph. that is an absolute, utterly astonishing number. let's have a look at what

christina found on the streets earlier on today . earlier on today. >> we'd had between half an hour to an hour on my ten hour shift, which would involve then losing possible jobs that i could carry out, or i used to carry out before. what is worries me the most is that this, i think, is just the beginning of pushing people out of cars . and i'm people out of cars. and i'm fearing i might be made redundant because of it. one day, the 20 mile per hour speed limit has been in place for more than a month now, but many drivers in the country still don't agree with the restrictions and say that it's causing confusion on the roads . causing confusion on the roads. >> i've got people tailgating me . you can see in the mirror people gesticulating. i put a badge on the back of my car to say i don't agree with the 20 mile an hour because i want people to know i'm not doing it because i agree with it. i'm doing it because it's the law. and do it. i've and i have to do it. i've experienced people overtaking me dangerously. you can see the dangerously. you can see in the

rear people rear view mirror, people pointing fingers and it pointing their fingers and it would be okay if it was clear cut and straight and what we're supposed to do . but it isn't supposed to do. but it isn't a spokesperson for the welsh government said that they recognise this is a major change, but that it's making communities safer . communities safer. >> they said they're gathering feedback from local authorities to help them apply exceptions to the default 20 mile per hour speed limit where it's appropriate to do so. however where they said it is too early to provide an evidence based assessment . aunt christina assessment. aunt christina curtis in cardiff for gb news, whose name. >> so if it's too early, i'm speaking to the welsh government now directly. if it's too early to produce an evidence based assessment, how the hell can you say it's going to make people safer ? i mean, frankly, they're safer? i mean, frankly, they're not quite telling us the truth about this now i'm joined to

discuss this and much else by matt goodwin, pollster and professor of politics at the university of kent. you've been busy polling, matt, over the course of the last few days. yeah how what does the country think? because there are significant numbers of people who are now part of the anti car lobby. what does the country think about these 20 mile zones? >> yeah , so we already know this >> yeah, so we already know this is unpopular in wales. >> yeah, so we already know this is pollednpular in wales. >> yeah, so we already know this is polled voters n wales. >> yeah, so we already know this is polled voters in males. >> yeah, so we already know this is polled voters in alles. >> yeah, so we already know this is polled voters in all of we've polled voters in all of britain . so this is across the britain. so this is across the country and we only find that 30, less than a third, would like to see the 30 mile an hour limit reduced to 20 miles an hourin limit reduced to 20 miles an hour in built up areas. so this is a very unpopular policy. now, if you lean to the right of politics, if you're a conservative, about 60% of conservatives say they're opposed to this change. so this isn't really a popular policy at all. no no, i don't think it is. >> but i suspect that if you live in a very big city, a very big city, a london, you know, a

west midlands, then you probably don't have a car because a car is a bloomin nuisance. but if you live in small town uk or rural without a car, you frankly can't exist. so guessing it can't exist. so i'm guessing it depends where you ask the depends a bit where you ask the question. now we are the people's channel and you people's channel and matt, you did noble battle with the bbc the other day on their lunchtime politics programme , much to politics programme, much to their disgust . politics programme, much to their disgust. but you have politics programme, much to their disgust . but you have been their disgust. but you have been out with people polling on behalf of the people's channel. yeah. to find out what people really think about the scenes that we've had on the streets of london, birmingham, manchester, edinburgh and elsewhere . we've edinburgh and elsewhere. we've always told by our political class that it doesn't matter about numbers . immigration about numbers. immigration doesn't matter about numbers. we are a model of total success for integrate nation of migrant communities into society. anyone that dares answer back against that dares answer back against that in public is vilified . and that in public is vilified. and i should know . what have you

i should know. what have you discovered about attitudes towards integration of all the different communities in the uk ? different communities in the uk? >> yeah, so i think it's really interesting. if you look at what the commentators in london are saying, particularly after suella braverman's recent comments multicultural ism comments that multicultural ism might working, we have might not be working, we have this in in london, this narrative in in london, particularly , which is this is particularly, which is this is an unalloyed success story. but actually when we asked voters across the country, do you think that are integrating that migrants are integrating well into britain, only 30% nationally, only 30% of people feel that immigrants are integrating well into the rest of the country . so as we've been of the country. so as we've been sat at home over the last two weeks, i think looking at these scenes, looking at people glorifying terrorism on the streets of britain, looking at people celebrating the murder and the rape of jews in israel, i think actually , nigel, this is i think actually, nigel, this is a watershed moment actually, in our debate about immigration and integration, because it is simply no longer plausible after the events of the last two weeks

to argue that immigration and multiculturalism are only ever positive because clearly that is not the case. and many voters out there feel the same way. >> no , that's right. and i bet >> no, that's right. and i bet we're the only broadcast channel in the uk that would even dare to ask that question , let alone to ask that question, let alone broadcast the answer . but what broadcast the answer. but what really interested me was when we went on and we've heard the german chancellor we've heard this week , the french interior this week, the french interior minister saying that if you're here glorifying terrorism , um, here glorifying terrorism, um, we don't give a about the european court of human rights. we're just going to start deporting people. and yet, as soon as that issue gets raised in this country, they throw in this country, they all throw their in absolute their hands up in absolute horror. . the what is the horror. what is. the what is the real attitude of british folk towards those that glorify terrorist and what would they like to see done? so i've been polling a long time and there are policies where sometimes you are policies where sometimes you are quite surprised by the numbers, there's almost numbers, where there's almost consensus on an issue and this

is one of them. >> if you look if you ask voters, as i've done across britain, what you think we britain, what do you think we should foreign nationals should do to foreign nationals who are glorifying islamist terrorism on the streets of britain in three quarters of the country, we say those people should be deported out of britain . well but again , i mean, britain. well but again, i mean, and this this is not reflected at all, is it, in the debate we see in the house of commons, the house of lords, or in most of our national media? i think that's true . i spend a lot of my that's true. i spend a lot of my time as as as you know, in some of the people here know, presenting the case as to what people really think . and the people really think. and the reason we ask these questions is because few other pollsters because so few other pollsters do. people out there want to have a conversation about what's happening to britain. they want to have a conversation about these issues around migration, border security , integration, border security, integration, the future of our community. and

i think many people now feel as though they can't really talk about those issues. it's being swept under the and if swept under the carpet. and if you do challenge the consensus on those issues , as we've seen on those issues, as we've seen with, say, suella braverman and other politicians , you're other politicians, you're attacked and you're criticised and you're berated even though you are often representing the views and the values of a majority of people in this country. and i think a lot of people out there, to be blunt, nigel, are sick of it. i think they want a different national conversation on de—man. i think you're right. >> these people certainly do. and three quarters people in and three quarters of people in favour of deporting those who act in way. act in this way. >> many strongly in favour >> how many strongly in favour of staying ? of them staying? >> about 4. 4. >> about 4. 4. >> 4% would oppose it. so the rest are undecided folks. but but almost the 4% who think, yeah, just say what you like on britain's streets and stay, that number's almost as powerful as the three quarters figure. >> so if you look at all of these issues that are dismissed

as culture wars , immigration, as culture wars, immigration, sex, gender, our history, what you often find is that it's a small activist minority of no more than about 15% of britain maximum who are basically dictating the agenda , who are dictating the agenda, who are basically changing the guidance in schools, changing the guidance in the nhs, saying we should have weaker borders, saying we should allow refugees in from gaza, but if you ask real people out there in the country and one of the reasons we do the polling is we want to know what the real people out there are thinking and feeling. they often really do not agree with this agenda. they feel that it's imposed on them from it's being imposed on them from the down they feel that the top down and they feel that they can't really express their view about what they want to happen to their home, their country. home. country. and this is our home. so they feel very strongly about it. and that the views it. and i hope that the views of ordinary will find ordinary people will will find their national their way into our national debate in a much bigger way going fonnard. >> and a quick final thought, mark be mark drakeford seems to be really what really quite confused about what a woman is . what is the great a woman is. what is the great british public think about

people? and by the way, we're not being we're not being hateful or intolerant to those that genuinely have problems and want to be different sex. but want to be a different sex. but this business of a man becomes a woman, he's a woman and woman, says he's a woman and wants tennis or football wants to play tennis or football or it is. what is or whatever it is. what is a great british public think? >> yeah. so here's another example where the elites are example of where the elites are out the masses. out of step with the masses. mark has come out and mark drakeford has come out and said he thinks transgender said he thinks a transgender woman woman. we woman is really a woman. we asked again asked voters again across britain a transgender woman, britain is a transgender woman, so somebody who was a biologically a male at birth but now identifies as a woman, are they a woman? and only 30% of people in britain think they are 40. see, for % think they're not. 40. see, for% think they're not. so again, the sort of views that are being imposed on us by this sort of elite group are not really reflecting the views of people and young people making up most of the 30. >> well, here's the interesting thing. >> the only group in british society who now think a transgender woman is a woman are the to seconds, where 64% the 18 to 24 seconds, where 64% of them if you're over of them do. or if you're over 60, about 17% of it goes to show

what you can do through the education system. >> but the figures on but the figures, it's your fault. you're a university professor at the at the university of kent over that. but the figures on deporting those who would glorify terrorism. i think we'd all agree. i think our viewers will agree and i hope the rest of mainstream media are listening because this is the people's channel and we're representing the people's views with people's polling . in with people's polling. in a moment, it's barrage. the farage these cardiffians have their go at me. all of that in a couple of minutes . there you go . of minutes. there you go. >> very

radio. okay here we are in cardiff. >> it's farage, the farage questions have been submitted, chosen by the team. >> all i know are their christian names. i haven't got an earthly clue what mark is

going to ask me. good evening. >> well, evening, nigel, >> well, good evening, nigel, and thank you. and welcome to wales. thank you. my to you is how do you my question to you is how do you create a viable political home for majority in wales for the silent majority in wales and the one party and break the one party dictatorship that is damaging our great country so badly ? our great country so badly? >> well . i don't our great country so badly? >> well. i don't think our great country so badly? >> well . i don't think there's >> well. i don't think there's an easy answer to that. you know, i mean, we sat here a moment ago with andrew davies, who seems a perfectly decent bloke in many ways. but, you know, however much he can criticise what drakeford and the gang are doing , criticise what drakeford and the gang are doing, i'm afraid the conservative party are rather broken brand themselves . so we broken brand themselves. so we are at one of those is slightly miserable periods in british politics. i mean, you know, my great campaign , one of my life great campaign, one of my life was to get us free from the european union. we've done that. the fact we're not using it is deeply frustrating . so i, i deeply frustrating. so i, i look, i think in life, you know,

bad things never last forever. and good things never last forever. and i think we're heading towards a point at some and it won't be now , now and it and it won't be now, now and it won't be before the next the next welsh parliament elections here or the general election. but i think there's going to be a realignment of politics is going to happen . you cannot have going to happen. you cannot have you say, the silent majority. look at professor goodwin's polling. 74% versus 4% polling. yeah 74% versus 4% think bad dudes should be deported . you know, so you can't deported. you know, so you can't that that gap can't last forever . and i am optimistic that after the next general election, we will get a reconfiguration of british politics. i minded to say that if we didn't have the first past the post electoral system, it might have happened years ago. and i think the system is holding us back very, very badly. >> you yeah, definitely . >> you yeah, definitely. absolutely. yeah >> do you know what, mark? we need radical reform of the whole

thing. it's not working right at the moment. no, thank you for your comment. thank you, sue. sue. good evening . sue. good evening. >> good evening, nigel. it's lovely to see you again. the conservative party has been in power for 13 years. we why haven't they reformed the postal voting system? good question. >> mr blair brought the postal voting system in. it has been abused wholesale, especially by labourin abused wholesale, especially by labour in the traditional old labour in the traditional old labour seats. i have fought legal actions on this . you can legal actions on this. you can know something's wrong, but to prove it in court is very, very hard indeed. but the idea that i mean, you know, i don't mind the factif mean, you know, i don't mind the fact if you're 97 in a wheelchair and you apply for a postal vote, that's fine. you know, you're a soldier serving overseas. that's fine. you know you're going to be on holiday. that's fine. postal voting used to make up about 2.5% of the votes cast. it now makes up about 20% nationally and in some central urban constituencies , as

central urban constituencies, as it can be over 50% of the vote. ihave it can be over 50% of the vote. i have sue bullied the conservatives again and again and again to it. links into mark's question really , it's mark's question really, it's part of a wholesale reform that we need. i've tried. i've bullied them . they just don't bullied them. they just don't want to listen. they say things like, oh, well, it's jolly helpful to us in the rural constituencies, you idiot . it's constituencies, you idiot. it's you're losing out over all on this . labour you're losing out over all on this. labour big winner. this. labour are the big winner. the left are always big winners and same thing happened in and the same thing happened in america . the last american america. the last american election was the first time ever there had been mass mail out ballots and it favoured the democrats more than it did the republican real answer. republican is the real answer. sue, question is why sue, to your question is why haven't they? because they're useless. they're out ideas . useless. they're out of ideas. they got a radical they haven't got a radical reforming in their body . reforming bone in their body. that's my view . that's my view. >> thank you. okay kev, good evening . evening. >> evening. good evening. my question is, who do you think has got the most charisma, mark drakeford or herman van rompuy ?

drakeford or herman van rompuy? >> oh, gosh. this is the chap. for those that don't know , this for those that don't know, this is the fella that turned up as the president of the european union in 2010. and we've been told it would be some giant figure who would stop the traffic in washington and beijing. love me, i thought they must have picked somebody really good. and it was the former brief prime of belgium, brief prime minister of belgium, herman van rompuy, and he gave this terrible dirge like speech. and i said, you have the career of a damp rag. and the appearance of a low grade bank clerk and they all went crackers . i i think drake makes it actually, i think drake has got more person energy for mirovoi actually . oh dear. oh dear. actually. oh dear. oh dear. steve good evening. >> good evening. good evening , >> good evening. good evening, nigel. who do you think will be our next prime minister ? our next prime minister? >> i have almost no doubt that it'll be keir starmer . i have

it'll be keir starmer. i have almost no doubt that it'll be keir starmer . do you know, keir starmer. do you know, i think for the conservatives it's now just too late. it's just too late. they've let too many people down. the optimism , um. people down. the optimism, um. the promise. the 80 seat majority, which yours truly did, actually help them a little bit at the end with some of that. and the hope, the belief, i mean , so many red wall voters , so , so many red wall voters, so many called red wall, but same in wales. labour families for whom ukip was the sort of gateway drug and they then voted conservative in 2019, in some cases for the first time in the history of those families, they'd been labour since the first world war. they were told we control our borders. they were told we've reduced the number people coming into our number of people coming into our country. were told men country. they were told the men and running small and women running small businesses life would get easier. happened. easier. none of it's happened. it'll you it'll be starmer whether you like not, no doubt like it or not, i've no doubt there'll perhaps marginally there'll be perhaps marginally worse than current worse than the current conservative government . they'll conservative government. they'll be they'll be arguing. be split. they'll be arguing. but i believe that will happen. what do you think?

>> wait and see. >> well, we wait and see. >> well, we wait and see. >> right. hedging his bets >> all right. hedging his bets there, steve. and finally , ann, there, steve. and finally, ann, with the last question . yeah, with the last question. yeah, good evening, nigel. good evening. >> is the welsh government anti motorist ? i >> is the welsh government anti motorist? i i, you know, i think i don't think it's just the welsh government. >> i think we've got sadiq khan in london bringing in this ulez extension in which is only paid by people with old cars. so if you're older or poorer you pay ulez . if you're older or poorer you pay ulez. if you're you're older or poorer you pay ulez . if you're younger you're older or poorer you pay ulez. if you're younger and more affluent, you don't pay ulez i see what is happening with that. i see what is happening with 20 mile per hour speed limits . i mile per hour speed limits. i see it as the state getting bigger and bigger and bigger. i see people who've normally been law abiding people getting fines, getting penalties which they've never had in 40 years or more of driving. ultimately they want road pricing . they would want road pricing. they would want road pricing. they would want through a black box to

measure what our car does, where it goes , charge it per mile, do it goes, charge it per mile, do us for speeding. and it is just the big state. and, you know , 13 the big state. and, you know, 13 years of conservative government and the states got bigger and with labour it'll get bigger still. and i hate the big state. i believe in the liberty of the individual and those that break the law should be punished it. but to bring in laws and i've said this about the ulez extension, when laws extension, you know when laws become of men, men become enemies of men, men become enemies of men, men become laws . they become enemies of laws. they want to get rid of cars. it's all but an come on, it's all to save the planet . so they say, save the planet. so they say, all to save the planet whilst china builds 80 brand new coal fired power stations this very yean fired power stations this very year. thank you to all of you for your questions. in a moment, an extraordinary story . an extraordinary story. >> adam hart . >> adam hart. >> adam hart. >> adam hart lives in wales , the >> adam hart lives in wales, the great grandson of a man who made the most incredible escape from germany and his great grandson has retraced that mission . and

has retraced that mission. and the fact we're here in an club, it's going to be a great story to tell. back with you in just a couple of minutes

well, it was 80 years ago. it was 1943 when welshman squadron leader frank griffiths was shot down over annecy in france. he was delivering supplies to the resistance . as i understand it, resistance. as i understand it, there were 11 people killed on that plane. but he managed to escape. he was seriously, badly hurt. he was patched up by a french doctor. he probably should, if he was sensible , have should, if he was sensible, have given himself in and become a prisoner of war. but no, that wasn't what frank decided to do. and he managed through an extraordinary journey, despite a broken arm and all the rest of it, to make his way to gibraltar to get to the country to get back to the country because wanted to rejoin because he wanted to rejoin the war effort. stories are war effort. these stories are astonishing extraordinary .

astonishing and extraordinary. but what i loved was the fact that his great grandson, who's sitting in front of also sitting in front of me, who also lives wales, hart , lives in wales, adam hart, you've honour your you've decided to honour your great grandfather by following his mission. tell me all about it. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> well, it was always family folklore, really, his tale. so i decided sort of a post—university gap year, right . post—university gap year, right. i'm going to go and do it. i'm going to retrace it as faithfully as possible. obviously, i flew into geneva safely, didn't crash a plane or anything like that. went south across europe, hiked over the pyrenees, follow his across europe, hiked over the pyrennroute, follow his across europe, hiked over the pyrennroute, met follow his across europe, hiked over the pyrennroute, met upiollow his across europe, hiked over the pyrennroute, met up withy his across europe, hiked over the pyrennroute, met up with lots of same route, met up with lots of descendants of people who'd saved his life, pretty much . saved his life, pretty much. >> and 2 or 3, 2 or saved his life, pretty much. >>and2or3,2or3 generations on. >> yeah, well, so it would depend. sometimes it was it was elderly people who were actually had been alive while frank was there . they were, you know in there. they were, you know in their 80s. so obviously very old but they were still incredibly touched by the story. i mean, just talking about it would bnng just talking about it would bring them to tears. so, so proud of their family history. and france has got a much more

complicated relationship with and the risk they were taking, if they were sheltering and helping your great grandfather. >> the germans had found >> if the germans had found them, probably been taken them, they'd probably been taken outside and shot. >> yeah. or >> yes, exactly. yeah. or interrogated, tortured. deported id is most likely id but death is most likely eventually. i mean, there's 3 or 4 people, at least , who would 4 people, at least, who would help frank, who later help frank, who were later arrested and, you know, off to germany . and that's where the germany. and that's where the record ends. nobody ever heard from them again . so it really from them again. so it really was life death for this was life or death for this random pilot who just random british pilot who just happened crash near to them. happened to crash near to them. and you know, 1943, the war wasn't won . far from it. exactly wasn't won. far from it. exactly it was, you know, less than half of the local population would have resisters. so most of have been resisters. so most of the population would have been collaborators. so for him to make it out and for them to take that risk is extraordinary . really. >> yeah. i mean, he made it, you know, these injuries, he know, despite these injuries, he makes it from rac to switzerland. could have switzerland. now, he could have called it quits in switzerland, couldn't he? >> could have. yeah. he could >> he could have. yeah. he could have interned there. had have been interned there. he had the be interned there the option to be interned there for the war. but as for the rest of the war. but as

you said in your intro, he decided to carry on because he knew he needed to get back to the mostly he had a the war. but mostly he had a wife six month old baby at wife and a six month old baby at home wanted to see again. home who he wanted to see again. and that was his real driving force. him. there's force. behind him. there's a lovely grandmother, lovely photo of my grandmother, the baby, and on the six month old baby, and on the six month old baby, and on the back of the photo it says on the back of the photo it says on the train to raf tempsford, frank's base. and ruth, his wife, is feeding the baby. and it just says off to pick up teslas belonging. sorry off to pick up frank's belongings . he's pick up frank's belongings. he's been shot down in france and we don't know if he's alive. and it's dated august 1943 and they wouldn't have known whether he was alive for a long time. yeah, three months. three months. they had idea. had no idea. >> so how long did it take you to do this journey? >> well, i took one month. his escape was 118 days. i took a month, but i did do the pyrenean section day. so section on day to day. so i tried to follow that as faithfully as possible. actually, i couldn't keep up with was brutal . they with him. it was brutal. they were doing it at night time.

with him. it was brutal. they were doing it at night time . we were doing it at night time. we were doing it at night time. we were doing it in the daytime. obviously, nobody was to obviously, nobody was trying to capture don't know how capture me. i don't know how they he managed do it. they how he managed to do it. yeah. do you think enough of your generation had him feel that that generation? >> mean, the war now, as i >> i mean, the war is now, as i say, know, nearly years say, you know, nearly 80 years ago that it ended. >> yeah, well, i think it's difficult time difficult because the more time passes, harder. people passes, the harder. yeah. people have less understanding. of course, less it's just course, and it's less it's just weighs less on your mind. but when you do something like this, you realise how what a huge event this obviously was. you know, we all remember where we were in covid, but this was several, several leagues above . several, several leagues above. everybody's great grandparents from my generation. there everybody's lives were touched by this in a huge way. you know, had other great grandfathers in el alamein in nonnay and the fjords in nonnay just they all have their own stories . so yeah, have their own stories. so yeah, it is . doing something like this it is. doing something like this really does make you realise how how important it was. >> yeah, well, i have to say, i think your story, adam, is a

very good story. i have to say. i think your great grandfather is a little bit better , but no. is a little bit better, but no. very, very well done you for going out there recreating it. big hand for adam, i think. very >> now . >> now. >> now. >> now. >> now we are as i mentioned earlier, we're in an raf club here on the outskirts of cardiff. and following on from adam's story, i thought it was appropriate to mention this is dunng appropriate to mention this is during the war that we've just been discussing. a lot of airmen that got shot down, finished up being pretty badly burnt, pretty badly scarred, and they were fortunate in one way that there was a very, very clever man called sir archibald mcindoe, who was a pioneering early plastic surgeon, and he set up in east grinstead the burns unit. and these chaps would go in often in a very, very poor condition in in many cases

having to undergo lots and lots of operations. but for mcindoe , of operations. but for mcindoe, it wasn't just about getting them physically mended and it was about getting them accepted back in society. and so the nurses would take them to cinemas, would take them to the local pubs . east grinstead was local pubs. east grinstead was called the town that didn't stare, at people stare, didn't stare at people because of how they looked. and there were 649 men that went through this who had two operations more , who formed operations or more, who formed what was known as the guinea pig club, because mcindoe referred to as his guinea pigs. and to them as his guinea pigs. and indeed there is a pub at east grinstead called the guinea pig, and they for 50 or 60 years had their annual reunion. it was called the lost weekend. well the last of them and he was a poush the last of them and he was a polish pilot. yeah and i can't really pronounce it stranczek better known as eddie black in the raf, has just died aged 101. and there's a picture of him there on the screen wearing his medals . just died aged 101. and medals. just died aged 101. and the last guinea pig has gone.

but we remember the brave man who did what they did and those here on the ground, too, who helped them so much. well, it's almost become a ritual. it's time bell and spurling . send time for bell and spurling. send them come. >> we want a selfie . yeah, it's >> we want a selfie. yeah, it's cancelled . culture is just not cancelled. culture is just not fair. why why? why deny . us fair. why why? why deny. us gb views news is the bias . so if views news is the bias. so if you switch off gp, there'll be nothing for you to see. >> you'll be left with a channel that's biased. >> that's . bbc they'll tell you >> that's. bbc they'll tell you what to watch. they think they've got the power now they want to make you drive 20 miles

an hour . it's want to make you drive 20 miles an hour. it's not unusual to have labour killed. debate and if they get in they will be in a real state. >> hey. hey hey. it's right you says just how it is . we gb news says just how it is. we gb news like to says just as it is. >> we take on everybody's views. it's not just always on the boat . who says the welsh parliament has passed this law ? has passed this law? >> nine two says unbelievable . >> nine two says unbelievable. 20 miles an hour to says literally is crackers . he's literally is crackers. he's nigel . nigel. farage very good indeed . very good indeed. >> well, thank you very much

indeed. well done, boys . and indeed. well done, boys. and i can tell you , as . hello can tell you, as. hello again, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast , some clear spells out there. >> at first overnight. but where we see the clear spells, we also see some mist and fog developing and quite a number of showers will arrive in many places by dawn in a large area of low pressure to the west of the uk is swinging various weather fronts our way over the next few days and in between the fronts we'll see some spells, but we'll see some clear spells, but also showers or a gap in also some showers or a gap in between the systems across northern england into the midlands. overnight midlands. east anglia overnight could patches could lead to some fog patches by othennise a lot of by dawn, othennise a lot of cloud the map as we begin cloud on the map as we begin thursday. that means a mild start, but it also means a bit of gloomy start. there'll be of a gloomy start. there'll be showers longer of rain showers or longer spells of rain across many parts of the country. potential for some heavy the south

heavy rain around the south coast and some persistent rain setting up across the north and east of scotland with gales for shetland and orkney. now, because of the increasingly persist rain across eastern scotland, there's a rain warning in force. it's not going to be as wet as it was last week, but any additional rainfall, of course, could cause some issues elsewhere. it's showers and some frequent heavy downpours in places. continue into places. they'll continue into friday across northern ireland, western england , wales with some western england, wales with some thunder and hail thrown in as well. more persistent rain continues across central and eastern scotland. the north and eastern scotland. the north and east of england, as well as and more unsettled weather on the way for saturday and sunday with low pressure continuing to dominate it

away . away. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation. tonight >> when you say those terrible words that these heinous attacks did not happen in a vacuum , you did not happen in a vacuum, you are tolerating terrorism. >> the israeli government has launched a scathing attack on the socialist secretary—general of the united nations, antonio guterres , after he appeared to guterres, after he appeared to excuse the october seventh attacks on israel, claiming they didn't take place in a vacuum . didn't take place in a vacuum. are the cracks beginning to show in the labour party over the question of support for israel? it's hours for it's been a busy 24 hours for the of the opposition the leader of the opposition after he visited a mosque in

wales and accused of wales and was accused of misrepresenting visit. he misrepresenting the visit. he subsequently mps subsequently met muslim mps earlier assuage the earlier today to assuage the backlash over his strong and decent support for israel. yesterday was the one year anniversary of the prime minister becoming leader of the conservative party. today is the anniversary of his kissing hands and minister. and becoming prime minister. he's rolled back green policies. he's rolled back green policies. he's made use of brexit he's slowly made use of brexit benefits and he's been cutting costs. but the question is , will costs. but the question is, will he taxes and win the next he cut taxes and win the next election? and it just so happens that prime minister's that the prime minister's appointment coincides with the anniversary the battle of anniversary of the battle of agincourt. saint crispin crispianus day is upon us and it'd be a lesson for the prime minister that he ought to take inspiration from henry the fifth heroism rather than henry the sixth absence apathy . plus, sixth absence and apathy. plus, it's news for tea and it's good news for tea and coffee drinkers . a new study has coffee drinkers. a new study has suggested four cups a day could be crucial to a life of longevity , health and happiness. longevity, health and happiness. i've just finished my seventh. i've just finished my seventh. i've actually got my eighth in front of me for the day. so i might go on and on. state of the

nafion might go on and on. state of the nation starts now . nation starts now. i'll also be joined by pugnacious panel this evening, the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the pr tycoon and former labour councillor kevin craig. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme . it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com . but now mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now what? you've all been waiting for day with for the news of the day with polly middlehurst. for the news of the day with polly middlehurst . jacob thank polly middlehurst. jacob thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that the bbc boss, tim davie, has faced an unprecedented grilling from mps over the broadcaster's failure to label hamas as a terrorist organisation . seven conservative organisation. seven conservative mps are understood to have become increasingly concerned over the bbc's coverage of the israel hamas conflict . but israel hamas conflict. but today's meeting was requested by

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