gb news. >> good afternoon. britain it's 12:00 on tuesday, the 2nd of april. >> rishi sunak has leapt to the defence of jk rowling after she dared the scottish police to arrest her over her views on transgender issues. could jk rowling actually find herself behind bars under humza yousafs new hate crime laws .7 new hate crime laws.7 >> total woke nonsense. that's nigel farage slamming the team gb diverse rebrand of the union flag ahead of this summer's olympics , but designers claim olympics, but designers claim they're simply refreshing the colour palette . colour palette. >> and huw edwards is expected to be named the bbc's highest paid newsreader. despite being off for air eight months following his suspension over a

sex pic scandal. bbc bosses brace for backlash calls mount for a ukraine style visa scheme for a ukraine style visa scheme for palestinians . for palestinians. >> 60 organisations are now calling on the home secretary to set up a special route. but should britain open its arms? now we've had a special visa route for ukrainians. we've had a special visa route for people from hong kong. we've even had special routes from people from afghanistan. but the question is, should yet another route now be set up for people fleeing from gaza ? yes. from gaza? yes. >> so dozens of organisations are essentially hoping to ramp up the pressure on the home secretary. specifically, they're all signing a letter. they're sending it to the home secretary saying we need a ukraine style visa scheme for palestinians trapped in gaza. now they're talking about a type of special

route visa so that palestinians can be reunited with family or extended family who may be in the united kingdom. the details are still a little vague on what exactly they're hoping for, but we've got the first minister in scotland saying he'd love scotland saying he'd love scotland open its arms. so scotland to open its arms. so could the uk do the same? >> we want your views on the matter. should we or have we done enough for many parts of the world? gb views at gb news.com. really interested to read your thoughts and we'll be getting to those a little bit later in the program, along with a roster of other stories. but before all of that, it's your headunes before all of that, it's your headlines sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> tom and emily, thank you very much. the headlines at 12:00, lord david cameron says israel must explain how seven aid workers, including a british citizen, were killed in an airstrike in gaza. the group were travelling in two armoured

cars marked with the world central kitchen logo that ngo has claimed the israel defence forces carried out the attack despite coordinating their movements with the military . the movements with the military. the prime minister, rishi sunak, says there must now be a transparent investigation. >> shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza . we're urgently workers in gaza. we're urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now with their friends and family, they're doing fantastic work bringing alleviation to the suffering that many experienced in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing . they need to be allowed doing. they need to be allowed to do that work unhindered, and it's on israel to make it's incumbent on israel to make sure that they do that. and sure that they can do that. and we're asking israel to investigate happened investigate what happened urgently, there investigate what happened urgiquestions there investigate what happened urgiquestions that there investigate what happened urgiquestions that need there investigate what happened urgiquestions that need to here investigate what happened urgiquestions that need to bee are questions that need to be answered next to an update on developments in finland this afternoon, where a 12 year old child has been killed, two other children of the same age are in a serious condition, and that's after a shooting carried out by another child primary

another child at a primary school there. >> the victims, we understand, have been to hospital , have been taken to hospital, while at the school while a building at the school premises was premises outside helsinki was cordoned off. parents, meanwhile, were picking their meanwhile, were picking up their children another building children from another building near to the scene. at the time of that incident, the permit, the police say, for that handgun belonging to the child belonged to the relative of the suspect , to the relative of the suspect, and police say the 12 year old has admitted the attack during a preliminary interview. but it's not yet clear what motivated the attack. the finnish prime minister has also said that he is deeply shocked and saddened by the incident, and that his thoughts are with the victims and their families here in the uk. the prime minister is backing jk rowling after she criticised a new hate crime law in scotland . it came into effect in scotland. it came into effect yesterday and outlaws hatred against people on certain grounds, including age, disability, sexuality and people who are transgender. but the author says the law risks silencing genuine debate on issues around gender and women's rights. and rishi sunak has

backed her concerns , saying that backed her concerns, saying that people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology. shadow minister pat mcfadden told gb news this morning that labour has no plans to introduce any similar new hate crime laws. if it wins the next election. >> we want proper enforcement of the anti hate crime laws that are there and make sure that the right penalties are in place to protect people. we're not planning to legislate for new crimes in this area , and i don't crimes in this area, and i don't think jk rowling should be arrested . arrested. >> adidas says that it will block any german football shirts that feature the number 44, amid concerns over a resemblance to the ss nazi symbol. the new kits were launched last month ahead of germany hosting the european championship in june and july, but a historian has flagged similarities with the logo for ss, which was a nazi paramilitary organisation. the country's football association says it didn't spot the similarities when the design was approved, but it will now be

changed. prices in shops are rising at the slowest rate for two years. that's according to new figures in march , shop new figures in march, shop pnces new figures in march, shop prices were up 1.3, slowing from 2.5% the month before. the british retail consortium says that discounts on popular easter treats and essentials , along treats and essentials, along with promotions on electricals and clothing, have helped to keep prices down. economic adviser vicky price told gb news that prices have actually been coming down for some time, but it's not been reflected on the shelves . shelves. >> costs are still reasonably high for supermarkets . they had high for supermarkets. they had to pay a lot more in terms of wages, still some transport costs and so on. but overall i think we could have expected by now to see prices falling rather than just inflation falling. and thatis than just inflation falling. and that is something which i think we to be looking at for the we need to be looking at for the future as well. >> and of a postage >> and the cost of a postage stamp is going up from today as royal mail moves to address a drop demand, the first class drop in demand, the first class stamps you back £1.35 stamps will set you back £1.35

each. that's a rise of £0.10. and it's the same increase for second class stamps, which now cost £0.85. just 12 months ago, a first class stamp cost £0.95. it's the fourth price rise in just two years, and comes after a warning that lower demand for postage is pushing up costs for royal mail . that's the latest royal mail. that's the latest from the newsroom. more in half an hour . you can, of course, an hour. you can, of course, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen , or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now though, to tom and now though, it's back to tom and . emily. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:07 and leading the show today. j.k. rowling has challenged the police to arrest her under scotland's new hate crime laws, which took effect yesterday, creating a new offence, stirring up hatred against protected characters mystics. but as the author highlights, they offer women no additional protections. >> yes, so prime minister rishi

sunak, he has subsequently backed jk rowling, saying his party, the conservative party will always protect free speech. well, joining us now from glasgow is our scotland reporter tony maguire, who's been out and about speaking to the people of scotland on this issue, and tony, what's the reaction ? tony, what's the reaction? >> good afternoon. well, certainly yesterday the anger and vitriol that we saw kind of poured out that people's free speech rights were getting taken away from them has sort of given way to the deeper questions of confusion. you know, what can i say? what can't i say, where can i can i speak my mind? because, you know, the bill, as we have discussed at length on the channel and the new legislation can reach right into people's homes. so fiery debates around the dinner table down the pub are certainly in the workplace. will they can all be subject to

a police investigation now police scotland, they are among the, the most, i guess showing trepidation towards the new legislation . they're concerned legislation. they're concerned that it's going to turn the pubuc that it's going to turn the public against them . and it's public against them. and it's also going to put their already stressed officers under even more stress and strain . now, more stress and strain. now, yesterday outside the parliament, lots of groups joined together. there was even an album and a member from alba, there was a family party, various pastors and of course the glasgow cabbie and one of the glasgow cabbie and one of the groups that were there were called the together association. now, you might be familiar with alan . he was speaking to alan miller. he was speaking to nigel last night, believe it or not. but given today's news about sunak showing his about rishi sunak showing his support for free speech and defence of free speech, i asked him about how much this meant to the greater conversation up here in scotland. >> it's good that prime minister rishi sunak has come out and said that he's against it, and

that it's a problem. we should remember that's the same prime minister government minister and the government that have online have implemented the online safety which has all sorts safety act, which has all sorts of controls and measures in terms things that are said terms of things that are said online. but at the same time, they've got a slightly contradictory set of policies because have argued because they have also argued for free speech and the universities and elsewhere. anyone that's coming out and challenging this is important. that's why it was so good at the rally where you saw people who were unionists and republicans, people that were pastors and religious people that were secular people from very different political backgrounds , different political backgrounds, all recognising that we have a common interest and a common purpose in challenging this attack on us together. and that's what we encourage with everyone. >> now, certainly we can't really end this segment without talking about jk rowling. she posted that massive 11 part message on x last night, calling out some of scotland's highest profile transition women. now, she obviously gave the come on

to police scotland to arrest her when she arrives back in the country. but it's likely that's not going to happen. certainly speech and various characteristics of this discourse are still protected and unless somebody's life or feels for their life or their safety, and it's likely to go under the radar of the police, thank you very much indeed. >> tony mcguire , our scotland >> tony mcguire, our scotland reporter there in glasgow. but joining us now to discuss this a little bit further is the political commentator and former snp member stuart crawford , snp member stuart crawford, stuart, could the first minister, humza yousaf, find himself in a very public battle with jk rowling ? with jk rowling? >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> yes , i think that's very much >> yes, i think that's very much might be the case, i mean, from my, my personal view is, thank goodness we have someone like jk rowling who's got the profile and the means to take on what is yet another example of loony legislation being passed through the scottish parliament,

supported by all parties. it has to be said so . we can't just lay to be said so. we can't just lay this at the door. at hums of humza yousaf and the snp. but it's another egregious example of bad law in a long series of bad legislation that has been passed. and i think that, rishi sunak will be could well be end up being embarrassed by jk rowling because as tony has just said, i think it's highly unlikely the police are going to harass her for her views . harass her for her views. >> ms stewart is right that you pick up. it wasn't just the snp that voted for this. i've been looking at the numbers, the vote breakdown . it actually passed looking at the numbers, the vote brea backn . it actually passed looking at the numbers, the vote brea back in it actually passed looking at the numbers, the vote brea back in 2021. ually passed looking at the numbers, the vote brea back in 2021. only passed looking at the numbers, the vote brea back in 2021. only camed looking at the numbers, the vote brea back in 2021. only came into way back in 2021. only came into effect yesterday. 82 members of the scottish parliament voted in favour of this bill and 32 voted against it. now that 82 included the snp, the lib dems , the the snp, the lib dems, the labour party and the scottish greens, the majority of those who opposed it were the scottish conservative party stewart, i know that you're a former member

of the snp and i just wonder, is it issues like this that made you resign your membership ? you resign your membership? >> well, yes, i think so. i mean, there's no common sense in this latest piece of legislation and i'm a great believer of applying common sense to all situations to try and come up with a reasonable solution, the snp, like many political parties, including in westminster , seems to have been westminster, seems to have been captured by a small but very vociferous group of single issue fanatics , if you want to call fanatics, if you want to call them that, and listen to them , them that, and listen to them, mainly because of fear of offending and or fear of what? that would bring, to them. and it's this lack of robustness and the, the groupthink that i think, i think is very disappointing, in the scottish parliament and no doubt in westminster as well. >> yes . one concern following on >> yes. one concern following on from tom's, question there in your and your answer, a lot of concern coming in through our

inbox from our viewers and listeners saying, could this type of legislation come to the rest of the united kingdom because of course, there will be many members of the labour parliamentary who support parliamentary party who support this . this stuff. >> well, i mean, it's hardly for me living up in scotland to comment on legislation that might be brought in to affect the rest of the uk, but i would say that it would be a great pity say that it would be a great pity if that was the case, because i think this is bad law, and it shows once again that the one thing above all else that the scottish parliament lacks is a revising chamber. we have no house of lords or house of lords up here, which might weed out some of the nonsense that's been passed through over the past few years . years. >> house of lords. sounds amazing. that would be brilliant. perhaps we could use the old chamber of the scottish parliament, because of course, it what was it was originally in what was the hall in edinburgh, the city hall in edinburgh, i believe it was an ornate, sort of wood lined room. and now you've got this sort of thing that looks a bit like a secondary school assembly hall.

thatis secondary school assembly hall. that is the scottish parliament, which a bit of a shame, which is a bit of a shame, architecturally speaking. but stuart, i wonder what the political ramifications of this could be, because potentially not everyone is going to be thinking this is a law that will affect me , but they might think affect me, but they might think this is a law that could affect someone. i know that has a chilling effect on what people can say and what people can think. and perhaps more than that, in electoral terms, we are living through a cost of living crisis in all four corners of the united kingdom. people are seeing real squeeze squeezes on their standards . there's their living standards. there's a migration crisis at the border across the english channel. there are huge issues, huge political issues in this age and what the scottish parliament seems to be focusing on is what you can say or not say about lgbt rights. >> yes. well, that's indicative of the competence or lack of competence , of the members of

competence, of the members of the scottish parliament, with this, they've gone with something which they can all understand if you like. but it's not a it's not one of the difficult problems like the economy or the education or the national health service or the fact that we're unable to build two ferries on the clyde, where we used build half the we used to build half the world's marine, world's merchant marine, something is far wrong in scotland at the moment. and this sort of is not going to sort of stuff is not going to help at all. i mean, the legislation is so encompassing, stirring hatred. does legislation is so encompassing, stirrimean?1atred. does legislation is so encompassing, stirrimean? where's does legislation is so encompassing, stirrimean? where's the does that mean? where's the definition of that insulting behaviour? i mean, every football match in scotland will come to come to a halt if that's the sort of stuff that's going to be regimented . to be regimented. >> yes. and of course it will all depend on what the police choose to focus their time on. and so many have warned , and so many have warned, essentially, that this will waste huge amounts resources waste huge amounts of resources on everything else. but on top of everything else. but thank you very much, stuart crawford, great to get your view on political on all of this political commentator and former snp member. me , i can member. i think for me, i can see this legislation being brought to the rest of the

united kingdom. i would like to see very , very public battle see a very, very public battle between jk rowling humza between jk rowling and humza yousaf i believe very yousaf because i believe very strongly that jk is more strongly that jk rowling is more popular by and large, than humza yousaf. that's a fair point. i think that's fair to say, and i think that's fair to say, and i think she would take this to the end. she's got the resources, she's got the fame , the money, she's got the fame, the money, the time perhaps to really go with this. >> she clearly feels passionately about it, almost setting herself up as a martyr in this case. yeah, it would be extraordinary, would it, not? to see police turn up at her house, take her in for questioning. all because she said some things on twitter. where? but maybe something like that has to happen to be some kind of watershed moment where things actually change and people realise that this type of legislation is chilling. >> it's not just harmless, progressive. let's be all nice to each other. hatred is harm. and you know what? the silence is violence. >> and all this say, though, and they're right in this . this

they're right in this. this isn't something entirely new. no, law , there's no, in our law, there's something called section, 127 of the, of the malicious communications act, which does mean that if you say something thatis mean that if you say something that is , malicious in a message , that is, malicious in a message, you can be spoken to by the police. and there are examples of people who've made bad jokes on twitter. absolutely. who have had suspended sentences handed out there was , someone, out to them. there was, someone, i believe, in scotland who made a about captain tom moore. a joke about captain tom moore. now, he was handed , a pretty now, he was handed, a pretty hefty investigation from the police. >> there's another chap who paid their dog to a hitler salute. >> that's right. he again , he >> that's right. he again, he got he he got, we don't have free speech. >> we don't have free speech. but believe that this law but i believe that this law makes worse . makes it worse. >> indeed, it accentuates some of the problems already in the system and and it opens up system and the. and it opens up that should we that question. should we be pushing back against this stuff? because there many because there are so many examples of what in many other

countries would be considered legal if offensive speech. now being treated as a criminal justice issue in the united kingdom ? kingdom? >> yes. well, coming up, let us know what you make of all that, by the way. but coming up, 60 charities and organisations have now a letter calling on now signed a letter calling on the home office create the home office to create a ukraine style visa scheme for palestinians. this the right palestinians. is this the right move? should britain open its arms to people trapped in gaza? this is good afternoon, britain. we're on .

gb news. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 12:22 now. an aid worker from britain is amongst seven people killed in an airstrike in gaza. >> yes. the unnamed victim so

far was travelling with colleagues in armoured cars and had informed the israel defence force of their planned movements . israel says they will investigate . but let's get some investigate. but let's get some of the detail with our home and security editor mark white, mark, what do we what do we know ? >> well, this 7 >> well, this incident ? >> well, this incident happened yesterday evening. the convoy of vehicles from , the world central vehicles from, the world central kitchen walk , had apparently kitchen walk, had apparently cleared this with israeli authorities to run a route on the al—rasheed coastal highway in central gaza, having picked up about 100 tonnes of aid from a ship that had come from cyprus and increasingly, this particular aid charity has been working in and around gaza, but at some point yesterday evening, that convoy was struck . and we that convoy was struck. and we

know that seven aid workers have been killed. now, we're told that at least one uk national has been killed, although the foreign secretary, lord cameron, when he was speaking earlier, spoke about uk nationals . spoke about uk nationals. plural. so we'll just wait till we get more information on that. but other nationalities involved are australian, polish dual nationals , from the us and nationals, from the us and canada as well. now of course, every single day there are many people who lose their lives in gaza. people who lose their lives in gaza . but any time that it gaza. but any time that it involves citizens from other countries, then understandably it gathers international attention. it has done , on this attention. it has done, on this particular occasion, but actually working as an aid worker in gaza anyway is very dangerous. the most dangerous assignment in the world, we're told, today's, later tally of,

deaths in gaza take the number of aid workers who have been killed in that area to more than 200 since this war began, and it will be doubly difficult for israel, i think, it's carrying out an urgent review of what happened. it's not come out and denied it outright, which indicates it may well have been, an israeli missile strike of some sort that was involved here. but it will be embarrassing for israel, not just because of the mistake. if that's what happened at the end of the day, but also because of this particular aid charity. israel has been championing this aid charity . they're very anti aid charity. they're very anti unrwa. the united nations, charity, that's working out of gaza at the moment. they claim that unrwa have, employed some 2000 members of hamas , so israel

2000 members of hamas, so israel has very significant problems with this united nations aid agency and therefore has been trying to get other charities bodies in there and working. and one of them was this charity, uk. but now with what has happened here, this charity has suspended , for the time being at suspended, for the time being at least all operations in gaza . least all operations in gaza. >> it seems like it could have been a grave mistake indeed. but mark white, thank you very much for bringing us that update there. and of course, there are questions now with regards to what is going on and what is undoubtedly one of the most dangerous corners of the world. is it time, therefore , for the is it time, therefore, for the united kingdom to support gazan families evacuated ? families evacuated? >> saying yes. could schemes such as homes for ukraine be emulated? well, that's what 60 charities and organisations are calling for . they've signed calling for. they've signed a letter calling on the home office to create such a scheme,

a ukraine style visa for palestinians. now the a ukraine style visa for palestinians . now the letter, palestinians. now the letter, signed by the refugee council and care for calais and law firms and other organisations, has called on the government to reunite families and provide special routes to safety in this country. >> well, joining us now is the director of the sanctuary foundation, doctor chris candia, and he played a vital role in setting up the ukrainian scheme, thank you very much for joining us. i suppose on the one hand, there have been a number of schemes. there have been over 100,000 people who came in the very successful ukrainian scheme. the hong kong scheme delivered over 100, almost 200,000 people. across on 200,000 people. coming across on that. tens of that. we've had tens of thousands from afghanistan as well. i suppose the question becomes, is there a limited amount of capacity when it comes to taking refugees from various war zones around the world? >> thanks, tom. the uk has been

incredibly generous. >> as you say, over 200,000 ukrainians have come to the uk. most of whom have been put into people's homes. the british pubuc people's homes. the british public have been incredibly hospitable. what this letter is asking for is similar to the families for ukraine scheme, which was ukrainian families in the uk already offering hospitality to their family members. and we know there are many palestinian families that would like to do that. let me give you one example. doctor yousef is a consultant radiologist in liverpool. he has a nephew gaza , actually very a nephew in gaza, actually very close to the region where this terrible attack happened yesterday. that's left a british aid worker dead . and this little aid worker dead. and this little boy, he's 13 years old. he's lost his entire family, his mum, his dad, his brothers and sisters. this uncle is his only surviving relative. he's desperate to bring this little boy here to the uk and look after him. he wants to cover the costs . there's to support costs. there's money to support that. issue is the visa that. the main issue is the visa and i think that's what this letter asking for. letter is asking for. >> completely. that's

>> that's completely. that's completely in completely understandable. in that course, that that case, of course, that someone to be someone would want to be reunited with family member reunited with a family member who's gaza . as tom who's trapped in gaza. as tom said, one of the most dangerous places in world the places in the world at the moment. but got to be moment. but i've got to be honest with you, the vast majority getting majority of people getting in touch with us this topic are touch with us on this topic are saying, on a minute, saying, hang on a minute, how can we possibly whether can we possibly know whether there are terrorists sympathisers who might use the route? is one of the most route? this is one of the most dangerous terror hot spots in the what national the world. what about national security ? and also lots of security? and also lots of people getting in touch saying, you know, we've done our bit, can't can't other, you know, can't we can't other, you know, can't we can't other, you know, can't states , for example, can't arab states, for example, take in palestinians, similar cultures take in palestinians, you know, why does it call on britain to do so in most refugee resettlements the regional, the local region is the place that most people go . most people go. >> so we're talking about a small number of people who have family here in the uk. and as you family is where you'd you say, family is where you'd want to be if you'd experienced such trauma. there's such a terrible catastrophe going on. is it? >> is it? sorry to interrupt

you. is it a small number? do we have an idea of how many people could for such could potentially apply for such a scheme if it were to exist? >> well, we've been trying to get a very small number. just five children again lost their entire families. they have traumatic injuries and we have hospitals willing to take them. and so far there's been no willingness from the home office. we can set the boundanes office. we can set the boundaries here. it's up to it's in our gift to decide how many people will come. i think we just need to say we're a first world country. we're a strong economy. we need to play our part regional responses. >> the key study you raise is a really interesting one. i think it's one that very few people could disagree with, where this is a fully funded place. someone wants to take in a direct family member, a child . all of these member, a child. all of these things seem to take almost every box. i suppose the question becomes, are those the necessary boxes? i.e. does this should this in every case be a funded

situation not through the taxpayer, but through the family and it should it only apply to children ? children? >> i don't think those are the fundamental criteria. i think we're making it almost impossible politically impossible politically impossible to oppose this. it's children. they haven't been involved in any terrorist activity. we can definitely vet these children . we're covering these children. we're covering these children. we're covering the costs. so it's not a financial burden on the government, but even then there's no openness. and i think that's where things become morally difficult. can we morally difficult. how can we say these circumstances ? >> 7- >> yes. i 7_ >> yes. i think 5mm 7 >> yes. i think the issue of vetting is, well , it's vetting is, well, it's definitely there and lots of people getting in touch concerned about that issue . but concerned about that issue. but thank you very much. really interesting speak you, interesting to speak to you, doctor. kandiah, doctor. krish kandiah, who is the director of sanctuary the director of the sanctuary foundation, and he played a vital role in setting up the ukrainian scheme. >> think i think he makes a >> i think i think he makes a really fair point. and for those five children seem to be five children that seem to be funded its direct family funded in its direct family members, that would it seems bizarre that that's stopping . i bizarre that that's stopping. i think the concern for many,

though. tom. hang on. think though. tom. hang on. i think the concern for many people would be where it stop? is would be where does it stop? is it those five? and at what it just those five? and at what point place point does this place obugafions point does this place obligations on health obligations on our health service rather service and on housing rather than just but also culturally, we've got a massive problem with anti—semitism in this country. >> could we potentially be adding to that ? we've seen we adding to that? we've seen we know how children, unfortunately can be indoctrinated with this stuff in gaza . do we really want stuff in gaza. do we really want to be importing more of that , to be importing more of that, potential hatred into this country? of course, the risk that there's terrorist sympathisers along using the visa route. but yes , in the case visa route. but yes, in the case of these individuals. but that's the problem with this type of policy, isn't it? because you can always find you can always find where seem find cases where it would seem evil to take evil not to allow it to take place , but you've got to draw a place, but you've got to draw a line i would suggest line somewhere. i would suggest that humanitarian in the that helping humanitarian in the region would be the more sensible thing to do, but welcome all views. gb views gb news. com let us know what you make of it. we'll get to some of your views on this actually,

because you've got lots of lots of opinions. because you've got lots of lots of (absolutely . inbox seems be >> absolutely. inbox seems to be hotting coming up, hotting up, but coming up, reports a has reports suggest that a plan has been launched a liz been launched to install a liz truss style tory leader. but in what way and whom ? more on what way and by whom? more on that. after your headlines with sam . sam. >> very good afternoon. from the gb newsrooms. just gone 12:30. look at the headlines this hour. the prime minister says israel must now explain how seven aid workers, including a british citizen, were killed in an israeli airstrike in gaza. the group were travelling in two armoured cars marked with the world central kitchen logo that ngo has claimed the israeli defence forces carried out the attack despite coordinated their movements with the military. those killed also include palestinians and people from australia, from poland and the us. well, speaking in the last hour or so, rishi sunak said there must now be a transparent

investigation . investigation. >> elianne shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza. we're urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now with their friends and family, they're doing fantastic work bringing alleviation to the suffering that many are experiencing in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing. they need to be allowed to do that work unhindered, and it's incumbent on israel to make sure that can do that. and we're that they can do that. and we're asking israel to investigate what happened urgently, because clearly that clearly there are questions that need be answered. need to be answered. >> a 12 year old child has been killed and two other children are in a serious condition after are in a serious condition after a shooting carried out by another child of the same age at another child of the same age at a primary school in finland. we understand that permit understand that the permit for the handgun used in the attack in the incident belonged to a relative of the suspect, police say. the 12 year old has admitted to carrying out the shooting, but the circumstances are yet clear. the finnish are not yet clear. the finnish prime minister says he is deeply shocked and saddened, and that his thoughts are with the

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i >> -- >> all lyman m >> all right. it's 1239. >> all right. it's1239. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain . and you've afternoon, britain. and you've been getting in touch over the suggestion there should be suggestion that there should be some ukraine style visa some kind of ukraine style visa scheme for palestinians caught up in gaza, and i have to say, there's been a fairly high degree of unanimity in the inbox, because a lot of people are bringing up the same theme, encapsulated by alistair , for encapsulated by alistair, for example, who says there's a reason why egypt has closed borders to them. >> listen to the neighbours who know the situation . varne, yes.

know the situation. varne, yes. neil says, why don't rich arab countries neighbouring gaza offer to take in the palestinians? why is it always non—arab countries that are asked and chris says, hi. >> i think until the rest of the arab nations take palestinians in, then we should not. >> and joe's written in. she says she's angry with what i said about anti—semitism , she said about anti—semitism, she says that's cruel ignorance. and how would i feel if my whole family was blown to pieces , and family was blown to pieces, and she goes on to call that comment repulsive . and the problem the repulsive. and the problem the problem is there's quite a lot of evidence to suggest that children in gaza do receive indoctrination through their schooling about hating jews . schooling about hating jews. that's just, you know, evidence. look it up. that's to not say that the people in gaza are not going through the most horrendous experience at the moment, and we should be giving humanitarian aid. we should be helping, but we have people with support. >> but hamas runs the government, hamas runs the schools, is deciding what

schools, hamas is deciding what these children are taught. i've seen examples. i've seen videos of sort of school production, school plays put on where it's all about killing jews. this is this isn't fantasy , this is this isn't fantasy, this is what's what's going on. and i suppose it's one of the reasons why it's such a, a fraught conflict in that part of the world. and it's just desperately, desperately sad. and question is , and i suppose the question is, can unbrainwashed? can people be unbrainwashed? because fair to say because i think it's fair to say a significant degree of the number of people living in gaza have sadly been brainwashed by the schooling that they've received, and that doesn't mean that they're instinctively bad people. it means that hamas is an evil organisation that has been trying to brainwash children there. >> and of course, there are people within gaza living in gaza who detest hamas. yes, and wish that gaza was not being run by such an organisation. >> they banned elections. they got 2006 and then got elected in 2006 and then banned taking place banned elections taking place afterwards think banned elections taking place aftenwell, think banned elections taking place aftenwell, i think banned elections taking place aftenwell, i mean, think banned elections taking place aftenwell, i mean, they think banned elections taking place aftenwell, i mean, they if1ink that, well, i mean, if they if they really believed that

everyone supported absolutely everything they did, they'd hold elections. but don't want to. >> well, quite. but keep your views gb views at gb views coming in gb views at gb news. but we're going to news. com but we're going to move reports suggest move on because reports suggest a launched to a plan has been launched to install liz truss style tory install a liz truss style tory leader popular leader by the popular conservatism group. funny that. >> yes, the popcorns are a movement aiming to restore democratic accountability and deliver popular conservative policies. well, they've reportedly devised a plan to introduce a future tory leader who's aligned with the economic views of liz truss. now i'm sure this will make a lot of people scoff, considering liz truss very short tenure. >> but could would you like to see a bit of a revival of libertarian free market economics? she tried it out well. >> or did she or did she allowed to? was she allowed because at the same time that she. yes tried to cut taxes, she also introduced a huge amount of extra spending with the with the energy price guarantee. and i always find it slightly uncomfortable when people say, well, this was a libertarian

experiment . what libertarian experiment. what libertarian experiment. what libertarian experiment tries to spend almost £200 billion on fixing energy pnces £200 billion on fixing energy prices ? that's the opposite of libertarianism. >> yes, a bit of a bit of a socialist spending and libertarian taxes, i don't know. anyway joining us now is gb news political correspondent, katherine forster who's going to bnng katherine forster who's going to bring us the detail on all of this, catherine, i suppose this isn't a surprise coming from the popular conservative, of which liz truss is a is a prime member, if not the leader of it all. >> yes. she's not the leader , >> yes. she's not the leader, for obvious reasons. and even liz truss , who's not liz truss, who's not particularly troubled by self—doubt, i think it's fair to say, is not suggesting for a moment that she should run again for conservative leader after her brief seven week tenure as prime minister but mark littlewood, who was formerly the director of the institute for economic affairs , this right economic affairs, this right leaning libertarian free market think tank, have been plotting ,

think tank, have been plotting, apparently, for what happens after the next election. bear in mind, of course, it hasn't happened yet. it might not happened yet. it might not happen for months, but they're working on the assumption the conservatives are going to lose it it badly . so mark it and lose it badly. so mark littlewood has come up with this strategy . apparently 70, 70,000, strategy. apparently 70, 70,000, andifs strategy. apparently 70, 70,000, and it's based on getting the support of 70,000 conservative members . and, 70 conservative members. and, 70 conservative mps for their proposed candidate to take forward sort of libertarian and conservative policies, if you like , i think. policies, if you like, i think. interesting. the 70 mp figure, because that implies potentially that they are only thinking that the conservatives might be left with sort of 140 seats after the next election. bear in mind they've got way over 350 currently, and actually even 140

would be good going if you believe that , quite shocking mrp believe that, quite shocking mrp poll from salvation that came out at the weekend of 15,000 people. they predicted if an election was held now that the conservatives would only be left with 98 seats, and if they did some sort of deal with the reform party, who of course are snapping at their heels on the right , they could potentially right, they could potentially save only around 150 seats. so they haven't fought the next election, they haven't lost the next election. but clearly many of them assume it is already gone. and are plotting quite noisily behind the scenes . noisily behind the scenes. >> well, the first rule in politics, of course, it's often said learn to count. and it does seem that that's what the popular conservatism group is doing. although perhaps in a slightly pessimistic, although some might say realistic way. katherine forster, thank you very much for bringing us all of

that. >> yes, a liz truss style leader. could that be the future for the conservative party? it will be a fraught fight. >> i mean, people forget liz truss did win the leadership election. she did, and i think everyone can agree the way in which the policies were implemented and, and perhaps fought against by elements of the, economic establishment, was not the best way in which they could have been delivered, but were some fundamental ideas that she had. perhaps the right solution at the wrong time. >> albie amankona, who's often on this channel, presents a show on this channel, presents a show on saturday. he says the policies were right, but they were in the wrong cadence. >> the wrong cadence. >> he says the wrong cadence. what lovely phrase. what a lovely phrase. >> go. that's his view >> there you go. that's his view anyway. huw anyway. but coming up, huw edwards he's expected to be edwards now, he's expected to be named highest paid named the bbc's highest paid newsreader despite being off air for eight months. could the bbc face a bit of a backlash over this

? >> 7- >> good ? >> good afternoon. 7 >> good afternoon. britain. it's coming up to ten minutes to one. and huw edwards is set to be announced as the bbc's most expensive newsreader . despite expensive newsreader. despite not reading any news. yes, he was suspended last year. >> yes. the long serving presenter was, of course , presenter was, of course, embroiled in controversy over alleged nude images were sent to alleged nude images were sent to a younger man, sent to a younger person. he's yet to return to our screens, having to be hospitalised with serious mental health issues. so is the health issues. so why is the sidelined presenter still costing the licence fee payer more than £400,000 a year ? more than £400,000 a year? >> yes. some questions here, why don't we get to our guests? joining us is the former bbc news producer david kelly, and david, we don't know all the details in what has gone on here. of course, a lot of this

is very obscure and is full of rumour and hearsay. but what we do know is that huw edwards. aslef paid around £35,000 for, intimate images of a young adult . now, there's nothing illegal that has been suggested here, but it was deemed to be inappropriate in any case, perhaps the bigger inappropriateness is that this is a man expected to be the highest paid newsreader for not reading any news. >> indeed. and the licence fee payeris >> indeed. and the licence fee payer is entitled to no more than they do at the moment. >> i think is the bottom line here. >> this, this affair first started, as, as i understand it, last may when the parents of the young man involved, approached the bbc in cardiff .

young man involved, approached the bbc in cardiff. bbc young man involved, approached the bbc in cardiff . bbc have the bbc in cardiff. bbc have already admitted that they were very slow to pick this up . it very slow to pick this up. it was. it was in in july before it came to full attention of the senior management. >> as i understand it. >> again, as i understand it. but this is just classic bbc. i think they are very good at saying they are going to launch an investigation, but they always do it on their terms, in their own time and in their own way. now of course, there's got due process has got to be followed here, there are employment laws , i don't know employment laws, i don't know what hugh edward's contract was , what hugh edward's contract was, but at the bottom line, it comes down to what i said at the beginning, the licence fee payen >> learning that somebody has been off air now for all these months and is likely to be paid nearly , half £1 million for his nearly, half £1 million for his services, but hasn't been on air, just needs to know what's gone on here. >> yes. and by this, by the standards . standards. >> sorry, by the sounds of it from reports today , there's lots

from reports today, there's lots of people inside the bbc who are , well, irritated, let's say, about the amount of money that huw edwards is still being paid . huw edwards is still being paid. >> yes. and i'm not i'm not surprised for those of them, most people don't. working at the bbc that they are very well paid, but they're not paid anywhere near what huw edwards is, is paid there , labouring is, is paid there, labouring away, all the while. >> and knowing that one of their colleagues, who clearly is , is, colleagues, who clearly is, is, is under serious investigation, is under serious investigation, is earning this money must be very demoralising , is there any very demoralising, is there any sort of means of recourse here? i mean, what can happen , in i mean, what can happen, in a situation like this, there will be thousands of people paying license fees solely to go towards funding someone who is not currently doing the job they're paid to do . do i mean, they're paid to do. do i mean, how long can this situation

realistically go on for, that's a very good question . and of a very good question. and of course, as i've said, the bbc, this is how they seem to manage their problems. >> these days, there there is an urgent need, i think, to look at the licence fee. some of that is there are elements being looked at as tim davie made a speech. >> the director general made a speech last week, but again, it's being done and the bbc's own way in its own time. and and long suffering licence fee payers must be just wringing their hands and shaking their heads with astonishment that this is taking so long. and he is being paid this amount of money while while he's not working well. >> thank you very much indeed, david. katie. great to speak to you. former bbc news producer. >> now, we should clarify that these allegations are about a young person. we don't know more

details than that. and all of the details do seem a little bit obscure. that's one of the big problems with the whole case. >> yes, it is indeed. now we've got much more coming up on the show, including jk rowling danng show, including jk rowling daring the scottish police to arrest her. we'll see what happens there. this is good afternoon, britain. we're on . gb news. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office across some central southern parts. there will be a bit of sunshine tomorrow, but otherwise it's looking pretty wet and there's some rain to come tonight as well. because have an well. that's because we have an area of low pressure to the southwest us, is southwest of us, and that is driving a feature northwards as

we go the rest of today. we go through the rest of today. so ending the day across parts of northern ireland, northern england, dry note. england, on a mostly dry note. but in the southwest but rain in the southwest will feed across much of feed its way across much of england, wales and into northern ireland with some ireland overnight, with some persistent rain continuing across eastern of across eastern parts of scotland, bringing a bit of hill snow over the higher ground. here, temperatures not dropping much of us because of much for many of us because of the weather. although much for many of us because of trtouch weather. although much for many of us because of trtouch of weather. although much for many of us because of trtouch of frosteather. although much for many of us because of trtouch of frost isther. although much for many of us because of trtouch of frost is possible ough a touch of frost is possible across the far north of scotland, many areas then waking up tomorrow morning pretty up tomorrow morning to a pretty wet start and staying wet across northern parts, with some further at times heavy and persistent rain further south, though a drier picture. yes, there will be a few showers around , but we should also see around, but we should also see some bright or sunny spells developing in any sunshine. feeling pleasantly warm. highs developing in any sunshine. feyaround easantly warm. highs developing in any sunshine. feyaround 16;antly warm. highs developing in any sunshine. feyaround 16 celsius'arm. highs developing in any sunshine. feyaround 16 celsius but. highs developing in any sunshine. feyaround 16 celsius but colder of around 16 celsius but colder further north and feeling it in the wet and the windy weather here later on as we go through tomorrow afternoon into the evening, a swathe of more persistent rain is going to affect parts of devon, cornwall and into south wales as well.

looking ahead through the rest of week and the unsettled of the week and the unsettled picture in fact, it picture does remain. in fact, it is likely to turn very windy by the end the week, but the end of the week, but temperatures could to the end of the week, but tencelsius'es could to the end of the week, but tencelsius by could to the end of the week, but tencelsius by saturday. ld to the end of the week, but tencelsius by saturday. by to

gb news. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 1:00 on tuesday, the 2nd of april. rishi sunak has leapt to the defence of jk rowling after she dared the scottish police to arrest her over her views on transgender issues. >> could jk rowling actually find herself behind bars under humza yousaf new hate crime laws? >> it's possible, and total woke nonsense nigel farage slams team gb's diverse rebrand of the union flag ahead of the olympics. >> but designers, they claim they're simply refreshed the colour palette and huw edwards is expected to be named as the

bbc's highest paid newsreader this afternoon, despite being off air for eight months. >> this follows his suspension over a sex pic scandal. well, bbc bosses brace for backlash and our debate this hour should obese people pay a little more to use the national health service? now, there are all sorts of estimates about how much obesity is costing the national health service. some run into the hundreds of billions of pounds that over multiple years. of course , the total budget of the course, the total budget of the nhs is around 180 billion by the end of this funding cycle . but end of this funding cycle. but the interesting point here is the interesting point here is the cost of obesity is no doubt high. who should bear it? >> yes, who should bear it? apparently 10 million britons

are feared to be junk food addicts. so is it their fault that they are overweight ? let's that they are overweight? let's say. and should they, you know, put a little more money into the nhs coffers if they're costing it so much ? this is one it so much? this is one estimate. one estimate is out today that obesity, or at least junk food addiction, is costing the nhs £15 billion a year. well i mean, if that's could that possibly be true? >> if that's the case, why doesn't the nhs offer the ozempic fat jab to far more people than are currently able to access it? >> isn't it because they don't have enough? >> no, i don't think it is because people, lots of people can getit because people, lots of people can get it privately. surely this would save and lots of this would save lots and lots of money, i think, i think money, but i think, i think there's fundamental problem there's a fundamental problem here with way we're here with the way that we're approaching which is if approaching this, which is if you national health you have a national health service sort service that's supposed to sort of everything , and it of cover everything, and it shouldn't of police how we shouldn't sort of police how we live lives , very few other live our lives, very few other countries have these sorts of

debates whereby, you know, should people be charged in a certain way for a lifestyle choice because ultimately, the way in which the care of that is funded? >> yes. and if you're going to charge people more for being overweight and costing the nhs more through treatment related to their overweight ness, what about people who indulge in, risky activities, risky sports, horse riding, bungee skiing, back flips, gymnastics, whatever can cause you an injury. smoking. should smokers pay more for the nhs? >> already do. smoking is taxed to the hilt. >> well, that is true. should junk food be taxed more then? is that you're getting that what you're getting at? >> absolutely firstly, >> absolutely not. firstly, define try define junk food sadiq khan try to junk food on the tube to define junk food on the tube and he ended up banning hummus and he ended up banning hummus and dogs. and he ended up banning hummus ancyes, dogs. and he ended up banning hummus ancyes, the s. and he ended up banning hummus ancyes, the hot dogs, well, let >> yes, the hot dogs, well, let us what do you think? us know. what do you think? because know a lot of people because i know a lot of people would agree this, actually, would agree with this, actually, and if you're obese, and say, yes, if you're obese, you take responsibility and pay a more the nhs. do you take responsibility and pay a agree)re the nhs. do you take responsibility and pay a agree with the nhs. do you take responsibility and pay a agree with that nhs. do you take responsibility and pay a agree with that orhs. do you take responsibility and pay

a agree with that orhsthat, you agree with that or is that, you agree with that or is that, you know, a type of fat shaming? let us know. gb views at gb news. com we'll have the debate, but it's your headlines. >> tom and emily, thank you very much. good afternoon from much. and good afternoon from the newsroom. the latest headunes the newsroom. the latest headlines lunchtime when we headlines this lunchtime when we start in israel, where the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , minister, benjamin netanyahu, says killing of seven aid says the killing of seven aid workers gaza in what appears workers in gaza in what appears to have been an israeli air strike was, he says, tragic and unintended. the group, which included british citizen , were included a british citizen, were travelling in two armoured cars marked with the world's central kitchen logo that ngo has claimed the israelis defence forces carried out that attack. despite coordinating . their despite coordinating. their movements with the military there. those killed also include palestinians and people from poland us . rishi sunak poland and the us. rishi sunak says must be says there must now be a transparent investigation. >> shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza. we're urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now friends and

now are with their friends and family. doing fantastic family. they're doing fantastic work bringing alleviation to the suffering many are suffering that many are experiencing in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing. they need allowed to do that need to be allowed to do that work and it's work unhindered and it's incumbent on israel to make sure that they that. and we're that they can do that. and we're asking israel to investigate what happened urgently, what happened to urgently, because are because clearly there are questions be answered. >> a 12 year old child has been killed and two other children are in a serious condition after are in a serious condition after a shooting carried out by another child of the same age at another child of the same age at a primary school in finland. the victims have been taken to hospital while a building at the school outside helsinki was cordoned off. parents were picking children from picking up their children from another building near to the scene that shooting. at the scene of that shooting. at the time incident, scene of that shooting. at the time incident , the permit time of the incident, the permit for the handgun belonged to a relative suspect , and relative of the suspect, and police say the 12 year old has admitted to the attack during a preliminary interview, but that it's clear what it's not yet clear what motivated it. the finnish prime minister says that he is deeply shocked and that his thoughts

are with the victims and their families . are with the victims and their families. here in the uk, the prime minister is backing jk rowling after she criticised a new hate crime law in scotland. it came into effect yesterday and outlaws hatred against people on certain grounds, including age, disability and sexuality, and people who are transgender. but the author sexuality, and people who are transgender . but the author says transgender. but the author says that the law risks silencing genuine debate on issues around gender and women's rights. rishi sunak has backed her concerns and he says that people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology. well, the shadow minister, pat mcfadden, told gb news this morning that labour has no plans to introduce new hate crime laws if the party wins the next election. >> we want proper enforcement of the anti hate crime laws that are there and make sure that the right penalties are in place to protect people . we're not protect people. we're not planning to legislate for new crimes in this area and i don't think jk rowling should be arrested . arrested. >> adidas says that it will block any german football shirts

that feature the number 44, amid concerns over a resemblance to the ss nazi symbol. the new kits were launched last month ahead of germany hosting the european championships later this summer, but a historian has flagged similarities with the logo for ss, which was a nazi paramilitary organisation. the country's football association says that it didn't spot the similarities when the design was approved, and that it will now be changed. prices in shops are rising at the slowest rate for two years. that's according to new figures in march , shot new figures in march, shot pnces new figures in march, shot prices were up 1.3, slowing from 2.5% the month before. the british retail consortium says that discounts on popular easter treats and essentials, and promotions on electricals and clothing have helped keep prices down. economic adviser vicky pryce told gb news the prices have actually been coming for down some time, but it's not been reflected on the shelves . been reflected on the shelves. >> costs are still reasonably high for supermarkets . they had

high for supermarkets. they had to pay a lot more in terms of wages, still some transport costs and so on. but overall i think we could have expected by now to see prices falling rather than just inflation falling. and thatis than just inflation falling. and that is something which i think we to be looking at for the we need to be looking at for the future as well. >> and the cost of a postage stamp is going up from today as royal mail moves to address a drop in demand, a first class stamp will set you back £1.35. that's a rise of £0.10. and it's the same increase for second class stamps, which will now cost £0.85. just 12 months ago, a first class stamp cost £0.95, and in the fourth price rise in just two years. it comes after warnings that lower demand for postage is pushing up costs for royal mail . that's the latest royal mail. that's the latest from the newsroom. for now , you from the newsroom. for now, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to our website gbnews.com/alerts. now though , gbnews.com/alerts. now though, it's back to tom and .

it's back to tom and. emily. >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:08 and now the prime minister, rishi sunak, has leapt to the defence of jk rowling after the author challenged the police to arrest her over new hate crime laws, which took effect yesterday. >> yes, she's very much saying bnng >> yes, she's very much saying bring it on if you're tough enough. now, the prime minister said the conservative party will always protect speech, always protect free speech, adding should not be adding people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology . so it seems facts on biology. so it seems like a little battle is going on between humza yousaf, the first minister in scotland, and rishi sunak. >> but let's speak to the former member of the scottish parliament now, brian monteith, because it's because brian, it's extraordinary to look at the numbers here. when this bill passed in scotland, which was a couple of years ago, it only took effect yesterday. but a couple of years ago, 82 members of the scottish parliament voted in favour of it. and just 32 voted against. the conservatives voted against. the conservatives voted against. the conservatives voted against it. but the snp, the lib dems, the labour party ,

the lib dems, the labour party, the lib dems, the labour party, the scottish green party all backed this bill, which now jk rowling seems to be taking on in a very public way. >> well, that's right, and i think it would be an error to consider that sunak is simply taking on the first minister or the scottish police . i think the scottish police. i think he's signalling that labour's hands are involved in this because labour, voted for this. so he's also taking on anas sarwar, the labour leader in the scottish parliament. and that's, no doubt to create some sort of wedge issue, with keir starmer. so i think it's, it's highly political and i'm sure jk rowling's, happy to have the support of the prime minister irrespective of the party, but there is bigger politics at play here, and i don't think it's enough for the labour party, at westminster to say we won't do this in england. they've already

supported it in scotland , and supported it in scotland, and they're not saying they're going to repeal it. >> i mean, it's a very real possibility, that someone accuses jk rowling of inciting hatred , stirring up hatred, this hatred, stirring up hatred, this new offence and the scottish police do go after her. it's a very real possibility . very real possibility. >> well, there is, and jk rowling essentially is saying, that telling the truth about biological sex is not a hate crime. i think she's got a very strong case there, the difference, of course , is that difference, of course, is that when people start talking about genden when people start talking about gender, that they believe that that in some, some way is a different subject that in genders hate , but you can't genders hate, but you can't surely have a position where you want to talk about biological sex and, and all the ramifications of that to protect women and women's spaces, and then be accused of hate crime when you've actually explicitly also said you have no animus,

towards transgender people . towards transgender people. >> well, i suppose the issue with this legislation is that it's not on in the eye of a neutral observer. whether this gets investigated , it's not on gets investigated, it's not on the eye of the person who is allegedly says the thing that is deemed to be stirring up hatred. it's on the eye, not even of the person to whom that speech was directed casual observer directed at any casual observer of interaction , one could of any interaction, one could say those two people talking over there has offended me. investigate it. please police scotland and police scotland will be compelled to . we have to. >> and police scotland have said that they will because they've said they will investigate every such complaint. it does, from the outside, look really bad law. and there is of course also another point of interest for the prime minister and indeed for parliamentarians at westminster, inasmuch as there is conflicting opinion on, as to whether or not people, for

instance , saying or writing, instance, saying or writing, something that is published on the internet, in england, but is opened and read in scotland , opened and read in scotland, could then be actionable against the person that made it, could then be actionable against the person that made it , typing the person that made it, typing it in england. were they for to, instance, come to scotland for the festival , in edinburgh or the festival, in edinburgh or some such event, so, so i think there are wider ramifications that mean this does need to be debated, beyond just the holyrood parliament. but i go back to my first point. there's no obvious way of this, this act being repealed because labour was responsible for bringing it in two. and they're not saying they're going to support its , they're going to support its, being repealed. >> yes. it does look like it's here to stay , and no number of, here to stay, and no number of, protests will be able to change it quickly. will they, thank you very much indeed. brian monteith, who is a former member of the scottish parliament. of course, they're interesting to get all that. get his perspective on all that. do know the thing that's

do you know the thing that's slightly that's slightly undermines all of this for me? >> go on, is that there is already uk wide law . now it's already uk wide law. now it's not as wide reaching as the new scottish law. the new scottish law takes this much further than the uk wide law. but in 2003 the labour government across the whole of the uk passed something called the communications act and section 127 of the communications act outlaws grossly offensive speech and there have been examples of people who've been arrested for what's known as grossly offensive speech. there's someone twitter to someone who took to twitter to make a grossly offensive joke about captain tom moore and about captain tom moore and about british soldiers. he actually happened to be scottish making the tweet in scotland, and he was was spoken to by the police . this went through the courts. >> i just wonder what the motivation is for humza yousaf if is it that he wants everyone to live in harmony and for hatred to not exist, or is there

something more sinister about this whole thing wanting to control people as if they're his subjects ? subjects? >> well, it's been ratcheting up for many years. if it were up to me, this law in scotland wouldn't exist. but neither wouldn't exist. but neither would section 127. >> remember that speech? lots of people pointing to that speech that humza made about all that humza yousaf made about all the people , that have the white people, that have senior some people might senior roles, some people might say that that was a little bit hate filled. but anyway , in hate filled. but anyway, in other news, and this is an interesting one that resurfaces every now and again. a labour peer wants to see the government stop the exploitation of illegal migrants by bringing back id cards. >> well, the idea of id cards anyway, of course , they were, anyway, of course, they were, thought up by tony blair and then never actually made it into law. but keep bubbling up every now and again. of course, lord blunkett, who was the home secretary under new labour, hopes his party get back hopes that if his party get back into number 10, they'll raise this issue again and use id

cards to tackle the small boat crisis . crisis. >> yes, once and for all. he says that without them, asylum seekers can avoid identification and avoid being sent to rwanda and avoid being sent to rwanda and work within the uk illegally. so joining us now is former home office minister norman baker. norman thanks very much, id cards, would that help in any way with the, migration crisis in the channel >> no, it wouldn't help at all. >> no, it wouldn't help at all. >> it's a complete red herring . >> it's a complete red herring. >> it's a complete red herring. >> look, david blunkett was the minister, home secretary who wanted i.d. minister, home secretary who wanted id. cards, brought in more than tony blair did. >> and of course, tony blair. >> and of course, tony blair. >> david blunkett, the way, >> david blunkett, by the way, tom also the home secretary tom was also the home secretary for the section one, seven for the section one, two, seven of communications act . and of the communications act. and david is quite david blunkett is quite authoritarian, a liberal authoritarian, quite a liberal and in my view, wants far too much power for the state against the individual. will it work? no, it wouldn't work, although it would happen. it would do it would happen. all it would do is people who here is drive people who come here further underground get further underground to get jobs where don't to where they don't need to demonstrate card , demonstrate to have an id card, they have to get a national

insurance number anyway they're going there's going to work. so there's already some sort of safeguard there. would there. all this would do would to be cost a lot of money, make a lot of bureaucracy and whole a lot of bureaucracy and a whole lot inconvenience for law lot of inconvenience for law abiding british people. >> not help prevent, my >> would it not help prevent, my agents from absconding from their we have their accommodation? so we have had a problem that the home office simply doesn't know where thousands, not tens of thousands, if not tens of thousands, if not tens of thousands of people are, situated country. situated in the country. essentially, lost . essentially, they've been lost. >> they would they would still be lost. people still disappear somewhere, and they wouldn't be. i the idea that they would i mean, the idea that they would not they have not disappear because they have an not sensible an id card is not a sensible suggestion. operation mille they would disappear. they'll disappear. >> yes. i suppose one of the big arguments they throw their >> yes. i suppose one of the big argumeoverboardy throw their >> yes. i suppose one of the big argumeoverboard on row their >> yes. i suppose one of the big argumeoverboard on the their >> yes. i suppose one of the big argumeoverboard on the boats papers overboard on the boats many times anyway. norman, many times anyway. but norman, what they what people say when they propose this is that one of the big why people want to big reasons why people want to escape move to escape from france and move to the uk isn't that the uk is that much richer or safer than france 7 much richer or safer than france ? it's that france has id cards and the uk doesn't . and the uk doesn't. >> well, look, britain's got a long tradition of, not wanting

governments of any colour to be too intrusive in individual matters. and something. as a liberal, i very much support that. liberal, i very much support that . and i'm very pleased that that. and i'm very pleased that when the coalition came into power one the first power in 2010, one of the first things conservative dem things the conservative lib dem parties agreed on was to get rid of id cards, which are of labour's id cards, which are not necessary and very intrusive. i come the intrusive. i come back to the point if we have id cards for migrants, i'll have to have them for citizens too. and for british citizens too. and i don't want, an id card. i don't want them my id card want them to show my id card everywhere i go, because what want them to show my id card everwould�* i go, because what want them to show my id card everwould do 10, because what want them to show my id card everwould do would ause what want them to show my id card everwould do would austovhat want them to show my id card everwould do would austo create this would do would be to create a database every single a database of every single person the country a person in the country on a standard and know how standard system, and we know how government don't work government it systems don't work very is not an you very well. so this is not an you have use all you have to show have to use all you have to show id for a lot of things already. >> difference? what's >> what's the difference? what's the difference ? the difference? >> the difference is you choose your as a passport driving your id as a passport or driving license utility bill. there's license or utility bill. there's not database of not a central database of everybody on the same system. that's what's different about id cards . and as you emily, cards. and as you say, emily, you already deal with you can already deal with matters like that with existing paperwork. you don't need something top .

something else on top. >> i think it's a really important point that there's this, this move towards a much more centralised society, i, i do sort of see where many people reach for ideas like this, though it does seem that there is a sense of a lack of control. and when you're following that sort of narrative arc of control , you sort of do often end up walking down the path of saying, the state should have all the answers here. how do you respond to that sense that that there is a lack of control in the channel a lack of control in the channel, and that naturally leads people towards answers like id cards? >> well, i mean, that's a non—sequitur. i mean, the fact that this bill is coming in is not going to be solved by id cards. i mean, the idea that someone's going to say, hey, i'm not to britain because not coming to britain because you've id card, simply you've got id card, it's simply not going happen. not going to happen. look i mean, control a very mean, control is a very dangerous we've got plenty dangerous word. we've got plenty of control in putin's russia, plenty in jinping plenty of control in xi jinping and china and erdogan and

turkey. want live turkey. i don't want to live in societies like that. one of societies like that. and one of the balances which which the great balances which which had affected us for hundreds of years is the balance between the state individual. and as state and individual. and as a liberal, the individual liberal, i want the individual to control their to be able to control their lives unnecessary lives free of unnecessary government interference. lives free of unnecessary govthis|ent interference. lives free of unnecessary govthis is|t interference. lives free of unnecessary govthis is an1terference. lives free of unnecessary govthis is an interesting one in >> this is an interesting one in terms of whether keir starmer takes this proposal on board. it will prove whether he's liberal minded, cares about civil liberties or whether he's a, you know, in favour of the state having more control in the form of id cards. very interesting one. we'll see if he speaks on this. and any reaction from keir starmer himself. thanks, norman. great to speak former great to speak to you. former home minister home office minister norman baken home office minister norman baker. baker so right to >> norman baker is so right to mention hundreds of years mention the hundreds of years old tradition uk, old liberty tradition in the uk, continental countries continental european countries had armies could had standing armies that could enforce never had enforce laws. we never had a standing army in britain. what did we have? we had a navy. standing army in britain. what did we have? we had a navy . the did we have? we had a navy. the navy stopped external threats but control our own but couldn't control our own populace. liberty within our country, protecting us from invaders without strong navy, no standing army. that's the

british tradition. >> escaping fascism anyway, coming up, 10 million brits are junk food addicts. could they really be? could they really be? but should they be charged more to access health care in this country? a controversial one will have the debate.

it's 124 in the afternoon. now, reports suggest that 10 million of us brits are now hooked on junk food. addicted to junk food . and as a result, it's costing the nhs an eye—watering £58 billion a year. >> i find that very hard to believe , given the entire budget believe, given the entire budget of the nhs is around 170 to £180 billion a year. >> yes, i saw an estimate of

that would be more likely for the entire budget. i saw an estimate of more of like £50 billion a year, which of course is high. don't is still very high. we don't know exactly they work this is still very high. we don't kncout. .actly they work this all out. >> i can believe that 58 billion is number that costing is the number that it's costing people through the country, not just nhs, perhaps buying just the nhs, but perhaps buying all the food or making adjustments their own lives adjustments to their own lives and all the rest of it. >> we've got some santas wearing face masks there on the screen, delicious chocolate santas, of course, food as it's known. course, junk food as it's known. >> although there's no official definition of what food definition of what junk food is. but widely but it's cheap and widely available, and of us brits available, and 61% of us brits say the cost of living has say that the cost of living has affected our healthy eating habhs affected our healthy eating hatyes, ultra processed food >> yes, ultra processed food addiction is not currently recognised for clinical diagnosis doesn't exist. i think you can go to overeating. anonymous. i'm sure you overeaters anonymous come on. >> addiction processed >> an addiction to processed food . i mean it's ridiculous. food. i mean it's ridiculous. >> i think it could be real. not real. it could be real, not real, could be real. but resurfaced research suggests it is putting unsustainable

is real, putting unsustainable pressure on the nhs. so should junk addicts and the obese junk food addicts and the obese be made to pay more for health care in the uk? if it's costing us so much? >> yeah, that's the debate we're having, not whether there's addiction or not that debate was clearly settled and won by me, but, reckon , reckon. but, reckon, reckon. >> yeah. no, the debate we're having is should obese people pay having is should obese people pay more for their health care in the united kingdom? joining us is the broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy, who says, absolutely says, yes, they absolutely should actor and body should. and the actor and body positive george positive influencer george keywood , who they should keywood, who says they should not. let's start not. well, lizzie, let's start with you. you want the change. why should obese people pay more to the nhs ? to use the nhs? >> because as you said, it is costing us 58 billion. we have an obesity epidemic. 40% of adults in the uk are obese . 1 in adults in the uk are obese. 1 in 5 of children. it's out of control and something needs to be done. and if you're not going to be responsible for what you

are putting in your mouth , i'm are putting in your mouth, i'm afraid there are consequences. and i do feel sorry for i you know, i have a friend who's obese and it is really, really tough and difficult. what you have to help yourself. and i think some of the, you know, the fast food chains are have to be held responsible. i even think actually we should have like they do on on smokers with all lung disease show what it can do to your body because fast foods is actually poisoning your whole body. and then sadly, you can get addicted to hang on lizzie, if i have a cigarette, that is definitely bad for me. >> if i have a burger, i can have that in moderation varne and not have bad effects, i don't know. >> i saw you eat full doughnuts last week . last week. >> i'm afraid. burgers. you'll lower your life expectancy. they have bad fat facts that their hormones pumped in your body thrives on food, but for the good, like medicine. if you're putting junk into your body, i'm

afraid you're going to have the opposite effect and you're going to get not just, you know, it's a knock on effect to diabetes. you know, heart disease and many other problems, which is very , other problems, which is very, very frightening. >> well, that's a strong pitch there from, lizzie george, what do you say obesity is costing the nhs huge amounts. why shouldn't those who are carrying extra weight to a dangerous, dangerous extent pay a little bit more? >> i don't know why i should have to cover the cost. i mean, let's look at it. really vertically. like i pay, what, 30 to £50,000 in income tax per year? okay i pay for private health care and i go to private gp, so why should i have to pay more money to cover a bill for obese people as a whole? i feel like that's touching. discriminate at some level. >> and if you were using the nhs, george , what about if you nhs, george, what about if you were using the nhs? you say you're using private healthcare already . already. >> yeah. well either way, in an emergency going be using

emergency i'm going to be using nhs anyone nhs, aren't i? like anyone would, think what you've would, but i think what you've got to look at here is how many people are drunk on a friday. saturday night and end up in a&e. you know, we've got to look at people are drinking at how many people are drinking and people smoking, and how many people are smoking, because guarantee because i pretty much guarantee you more you the number will be more shocking than what it is of the obese people. i think obese people and fat people are a target, and people love to use them as a target. they love to say, well, it's the fat people's problem. therefore problem. it's therefore it's their fault costing their fault that it's costing this much. therefore their this much. it's therefore their it's problem. whatever. it's this problem. whatever. it's fault, okay? it's not their fault, okay? they're just sucked the they're just sucked into the advertising campaigns by mcdonald's and kfc and all the rest of them. you know, they're feeling down in themselves. so what they do is they eat and they comfort themselves . you they comfort themselves. you know, died in 2016. and know, my dad died in 2016. and what i do? drank, smoked , what did i do? i drank, smoked, doneit what did i do? i drank, smoked, done it all, you know, and stuffed my face as well. alongside that , i think people alongside that, i think people have different coping have different ways of coping with especially looking at with life, especially looking at coronavirus. i mean, jesus, we're stuck in our houses. we're all stuck in our houses. what do you you eat, you what do you do? you eat, you

know , you shouldn't eat if we if know, you shouldn't eat if we if not, pay more for health care, shouldn't we take a bit more care over ourselves? >> you people. people. if during dunng >> you people. people. if during during lockdown, for example, some people chose to eat more, some people chose to eat more, some people chose to eat more, some people chose to take up running. >> well, look, i'm on a weight loss journey myself at the moment and i've lost a fair bit of myself. i think it of weight myself. i think it takes the person to want to takes for the person to want to do it themselves, which the do it themselves, which is the problem, know, because lot problem, you know, because a lot of stuck in that in of people are stuck in that in that moment they're still that moment where they're still eating not the eating and they're not at the point where realised how point where they've realised how much it actually is, much of an issue it actually is, so should we just go back to lizzie now? >> because are short on time. >> because we are short on time. but that point that but lizzie, that point that why tax people who eat more? why not people who drink more ? or even people who drink more? or even people who drink more? or even people who drink more? or even people who who ride horses? that's a dangerous activity that ends up in hospital, sometimes also being dangerously underweight. >> those who are dangerously underweight excessive, excessive drinking is good. >> but what we're dealing with facts here and obesity is, is out of control. and it is

putting huge pressure on the nhs, which . is in a shambolic nhs, which. is in a shambolic state as it is, and they can't afford to go on like this and you have to be responsible for yourself, you have to be responsible if you exercise and what you put in your mouth. and i think people to be i think people need to be educated to know that the pizzas, the burgers, the fast foods really killing foods are really killing yourself. got your body yourself. you've got your body thrives on live good food and this is not good nutrition. and people need to be educated without a doubt. but we can't keep going on like we are 58 billion to the nhs. it is. it's out of control and i'm really sorry, but something needs to be done. >> well, strong stuff. thank you very much. great to get both sides of that debate. george keywood and lizzie cundy, great to speak to you both. i should say two different figures say we use two different figures in discussion both are in this discussion and both are valid. the £58 billion is the valid. so the £58 billion is the combined of obesity to the

combined cost of obesity to the treasury, to the nhs and to the department of work and pensions and the economy as a whole. that's a projected cost . and the that's a projected cost. and the £15 billion a year is the well, another estimate. but it's the estimated cost per year to the nhs itself. so that's why those were two separate figures but very much related. yes. >> so the 58 billion would be one third of entire nhs one third of the entire nhs budget. would, would, would, would a little bit would seem a little a little bit much. it is important to much. but it is important to note yes, these costs, note that, yes, these costs, they're a healthcare. they're not just a healthcare. they out all over, all they spread out all over, all over the wider economy too. but much come on the much more to come on the programme. least we programme. not least should we be in more refugees from be taking in more refugees from gaza ? we'll be having that gaza? we'll be having that discussion after your headlines. >> a very good afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just gone. 130 the headlines this hour. israel has now confirmed one of its own airstrikes in gaza killed . the seven people are killed. the seven people are working in the region with the

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i >> -- >> good afternoon. britain. it is 1:38. now the telegraph

newspaper has revealed that the british museum is holding private discussions with four foreign governments about returning items in its collection. >> home. well, the document seen shows that since 2015, the museum has received 12 separate requests to hand back items. >> well, the museum didn't reveal any details about which objects or which countries were involved, but added that communications were ongoing. >> now, currently, by law, the museum is prevented from permanently returning objects from its collection, except in extremely limited circumstances. so what exactly could these behind the scene conversations with foreign governments be all about? >> and is one of them greece? and are we talking about the elgin marbles? >> she might be, i would imagine. >> but what are the other four? that's four. four different that's the four. four different governments are governments around the world are really interesting stuff here. and in and of course, the man in charge, george osborne , chair of charge, george osborne, chair of the museum. but let's speak with the museum. but let's speak with the cultural commentator richard

fitzwilliams because , fitzwilliams now, because, richard, a lot of people will be thinking, hang on, if the british museum starts returning items , what sort of domino set items, what sort of domino set are we setting in train here? will there be any museum anywhere in the world that's left with anything ? left with anything? >> yes. this, of course, is the fear . and >> yes. this, of course, is the fear. and this is >> yes. this, of course, is the fear . and this is the >> yes. this, of course, is the fear. and this is the concern that lurks behind the way the british museum is behaving, which isn't all of sometimes doesn't always seem rational . doesn't always seem rational. for example, there are several ethiopian sacred relics in the british museum which can only be seen by ethiopian clergy. it can't be seen by anyone else, including the trustees. and yet the british museum is not giving them or returning them to ethiopia as apparently requested. now, that sort of thing doesn't make sense . this thing doesn't make sense. this is apparently a mix of governments approaching privately. but we do know, according to the telegraph, that

india wants some sculptures that rapanui easter island, their sculptures there they of course the issue of the benin bronzes and i suspect that we are looking now and your film on the parthenon or the elgin marbles, fifth century sculptures , which fifth century sculptures, which the 40 year very, very bitter dispute with greece removed by lord elgin in the early 19th century in ottoman ruled greece and greece, wants them back. i have to say , going up the have to say, going up the acropolis last december and then to the museum which is being built to house them. you could certainly see what the greeks would like. the whole point with this is since 1963, as you pointed out, that the british museum, the national museums, because some local museums and in scotland have been returning objects, cannot by law return on a permanent basis, however they may loan and it's that that i

think is probably behind us. >> richard , do you think that >> richard, do you think that should change? do you think the british museum and the british government should be more sympathetic to foreign governments who say that they have this to these have their this claim to these objects, they want them back? >> well, i would have thought so because there was good because there was a very good example recently where, in example very recently where, in looted by british troops in 1897, some of the ashanti crown jewels, as they were called , jewels, as they were called, have been returned on loan. now, the point here is that the ghanaian government would regard them as stolen. therefore, how can you loan back that which you regard as stolen? it's very difficult to agree that. but if it was in fact the king of the ashanti who was here for the coronation and was involved in talks on this, they were loaned specific hinckley to him. so in that sort of circumstance, i think the national museums and their movements here in france

and in germany , in the and in germany, in the netherlands, the rijksmuseum, for example, has returned benin bronzes, i would have thought, very, very important as we move into a new era where, of course , into a new era where, of course, all the accusations of restitution of colonial guilt and so forth are very much to the fore. certainly national museums, i think, should have more flexibility. but what do we gain from this? >> just just purely let's let's set aside any question of colonial guilt or anything like that. just on a pure cost benefit analysis . if we're benefit analysis. if we're giving away treasures that britain has had in many cases for hundreds of years before any of us were born, if we're giving them away, what do we get in return? >> well, the answer, of course , >> well, the answer, of course, is, i mean, certainly as far as greece is concerned, the answer would undoubtedly be goodwill. but also, course, greece. the but also, of course, greece. the cradle of democracy dating back all those centuries and so forth

. but in fact, of course, the problem is where does it start? where does it end? and that's an impossible to answer because of course, so many national museums, especially in western countries , are repositories of countries, are repositories of vast collections. some of them looted, some of them obtained legitimately. it's a complete mix. as a result, you could only do this by a case by case basis. what you undoubtedly get from this, or should get from this, is a certain amount of goodwill, especially if it's negotiated as it if this was it did it would be if this was it did involve the elgin marbles. you get something in return from greece. so in fact it wouldn't just be a one way street, even though of course , the museum though of course, the museum like the british museum and of course that had the strength of business of 1800 objects reportedly being removed, which wasn't expected, you would have some sort of quid pro quo where you wouldn't suddenly, because this would be ridiculous. the british museum meant emptying its collections. that would be out of question , i don't

know. >> i see that happening. i see that happening. so many claims to that are the to the artefacts that are in the british museum. a british museum. you could have a bit of emptying out, couldn't you? >> and why stop there, though? why why give them why stop? why? why give them to a museum another a central museum of another country? return them to country? why not return them to the locations from which the precise locations from which they came? no museum anywhere should because it's should ever exist because it's moving things from one place to another of having another by necessity of having it place in which people it in a place in which people can view it. >> richard, we're going to have to it there. really great to leave it there. really great to leave it there. really great to take on all this. to get your take on all this. we'll speak again, we'll speak to you again, i'm sure, richard sure, about this. richard fitzwilliams, it's funny your commentator. it's funny your question that you asked about what we get return? this what do we get in return? this isn't about getting anything in return. >> what can you with goodwill ? >> & you know, these >> they you know, these countries these artefacts countries say these artefacts were stolen and they should be returned to their rightful place i >> -- >> didn't exist in the early 18005. it >> didn't exist in the early 1800s. it was a portion of the ottoman empire. well, we're not just talking about the elgin marbles. >> we're not just talking about the elgin marbles, but where i would certainly agree with you is that is a slippery is that this is a slippery slope, i do not particularly slope, and i do not particularly

want which want the british museum, which has these goods, has looked after these goods, although there weren't a few things nicked not long things nicked not that long ago. >> are certain >> i mean, there are certain things that, example, things that, for example, napoleon then we took napoleon stole and then we took from napoleon, and then i mean, like point in the chain like at what point in the chain of transaction do you go back and what was legitimate, what was bought under duress? different people argue different things on all of these objects. >> yes. contested very much. let us know you think. gb views us know what you think. gb views at news. but coming up, at gb news. com but coming up, huw edwards, set to be huw edwards, he's set to be announced bbc's most announced as the bbc's most expensive newsreader despite being air, not reading the being off air, not reading the news for eight months, the bbc licence fee payers a good use of their

money. right. well. huw edwards is set to be announced as the bbc's most expensive newsreader. despite being suspended last

yeah >> yes. being paid for not reading the news? well, the long serving presenter was embroiled in controversy after allegedly, there were payments for nude images from a younger individual. he's yet to return to our screens, having been hospitalised with serious mental health issues. so we're asking just why is the sideline presenter still costing the licence fee payer potentially more than £400,000 a year? yes, it's quite extraordinary. >> let's pose that very question to former bbc royal correspondent michael cole, michael, lots of people will be a little bit aghast at the sum that he's still being paid despite not doing his job. >> good afternoon emily. good afternoon tom, this is symptomatic of the waste that is endemic within the bureaucratic bbc. >> precisely at the time it's put up the licence fee by an

inflation busting sum to £169.50, a licence fee that, more people are ignoring. and it's down to the honest people like you and me to pay this sum. well i wonder how, huw edwards, who we see there , squares this who we see there, squares this with his conscience. he's a much advertise , churchgoing, advertise, churchgoing, presbyterian, christian, and he's taking money for nothing , he's taking money for nothing, it says in the bible, a labourer is worth his hire. which was quoted by geoffrey chaucer later. but what in the case when the labourer is actually not labouring, but actually leaning on his shovel ? and that has on his shovel? and that has happened for a considerable amount of time , as you've just amount of time, as you've just said, emily, this goes to the absurdity , i repeat it, the absurdity, i repeat it, the absurdity, i repeat it, the absurdity of the bbc paying hollywood sums to people who are not worthy of those huge salaries.

>> there are 100 people within the bbc and broadcasting generally who could do that job. when i was at the bbc, i was there for a fifth of its existence. newsreaders like richard baker, kenneth kendall, robert dougall , moira stuart robert dougall, moira stuart they were all staff announcers on staff contracts, very modest sums of money, a fraction of what huw edwards is being given, it is absurd because it's a false marketplace. those people who are getting these sums from the bbc could not go anywhere else. >> and i say that on the record and get such a huge sums of the licence payers money, our money now it is extraordinary. >> just a 10th of the salary allegedly being paid to huw edwards would be a very good salary indeed. and yet here he is on ten times that. but but i suppose here michael , to mount suppose here michael, to mount a defence. huw edwards has not been accused of any crime . been accused of any crime. indeed, the police investigated

and said no crime had been committed. this is a man who has allegedly paid money for legal pictures from, and albeit young aduu pictures from, and albeit young adult . he is pictures from, and albeit young adult. he is now pictures from, and albeit young adult . he is now suffering adult. he is now suffering serious mental health problems, is there not a moment here for compassion? >> yeah, you've summed it up perfectly . he he says, or people perfectly. he he says, or people speaking on his behalf say he's not well enough to face a bbc inquiry . well, i think we're inquiry. well, i think we're entitled to ask if he's not well enough after all this time, when will he be well enough? and to go back to what you were saying about salaries, let me just inject little bit of personal inject a little bit of personal history. for the bbc history. i worked for the bbc for 20 more than 20 years. my work won two royal television society awards. i covered wars, civil disturbances, riots, bush wars. i was beaten up and put in hospital in in belfast and i contracted hepatitis in the jungles of guatemala. during the

confrontation with belize, the highest salary, ladies and gentlemen, i ever got in that time wait for it was £47,000. and i was proud to be a bbc reporter. >> well, you were ludicrously underpaid, michael cole. ludicrously underpaid. >> well, i was proud to do it, emily, because i believed in pubuc emily, because i believed in public service broadcasting. i have to ask, does the bbc any longer believe in public service broadcasting, or does it think it's gone to hollywood? >> it's a strong, strong point , >> it's a strong, strong point, and many people will be looking at the amount they pay for their licence fee and thinking is this is this being spent wisely? and could this be, frankly, a lot lower? michael cole, thank you so much for bringing us. i think the question personal the question is personal information. is the information. why is the investigation long? investigation taking so long? >> and we wouldn't >> yes. and then we wouldn't have wouldn't continuing have they wouldn't be continuing to work. to pay for no work. >> questions , but much more >> huge questions, but much more to cover on the show. indeed, we're to a big debate. we're coming up to a big debate. this this flag that the

this flag, this flag that the team gb is saying you can buy as the olympic flag this year. well, is it totally, politically correct nonsense . that's what correct nonsense. that's what nigel farage thinks. or is this a refreshing update on a traditional flag, a refreshing new palette? we'll be having that debate after this. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello! welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office across some central southern parts . some central southern parts. there will be a bit of sunshine tomorrow, but otherwise it's looking pretty wet and there's some rain to tonight as some rain to come tonight as well. because we have an well. that's because we have an area of low pressure to the southwest of and that is southwest of us, and that is driving a feature northwards as we rest of today. we go through the rest of today. so ending the day across parts of ireland, northern of northern ireland, northern england, dry note. england, on a mostly dry note. but in the southwest will but rain in the southwest will feed way across much of feed its way across much of england, and into northern

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gb news. >> way . >> way. >> way. >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday, the 2nd of april. >> it is now. the prime minister has leapt to the defence of jk rowling after she dared the scottish police to arrest her over her views on transgender issues. so what do the people of scotland of this? all who scotland make of this? all who do they humza yousuf, do they back? humza yousuf, rishi sunak or jk rowling? we've been on the ground asking you and total woke nonsense. >> that's what nigel farage says about team gb's diverse rebrand of our union flag ahead of the olympics. the designers claim they're simply refreshing the colour palette, but we'll be getting the opinion of the

president of the flag institute. >> who better ? and a right wing >> who better? and a right wing group of tory mps are said to be wanting a truss style leader to replace rishi sunak if they lose the next election ? is that a the next election? is that a sensible or welcome idea? >> i'm in two minds about this flag. i really am on the one hand are just side looking at it. i mean , why why do you need it. i mean, why why do you need to change something that is in my view, probably the best flag in the world. just sort of the design of it. it draws you into the centre. it represents different nations of our united kingdom . i think the only flag kingdom. i think the only flag that really rivals it is probably the japan flag, just through its simplicity. you know, spot in the middle know, the red spot in the middle of the white sheet. i mean, for example, flag example, the american flag is just i've thought

just a mess. i've never thought that a good flag. but that that was a good flag. but the british there's the british flag, there's something it. so changing something about it. so changing it but on the it seems very odd. but on the other it's the olympics other hand, it's the olympics and olympics. all always and the olympics. all always just my heart when and the olympics. all always just show my heart when and the olympics. all always just show the ny heart when and the olympics. all always just show the logosart when and the olympics. all always just show the logos and hen and the olympics. all always just show the logos and the they show the logos and the mascots and all that. do you remember the 2012 logo? it was just about the worst logo i could imagine for anything. these jagged edges and bright, gansh these jagged edges and bright, garish colours. >> well, do you know what do you would you do you understand why nigel for example, would nigel farage, for example, would slam woke slam this rebrand as woke nonsense? think it nonsense? i think because it comes quick heels of comes so quick off the heels of the saint george's cross being manipulated on the england football kit. it does. and now it's yet another remake. >> it's a sense that all of these national symbols just just have to be changed for the sake of it. but on the other hand, it's very often the olympics teams. they they just they, they all it's disappointing, but perhaps not surprising. >> i mean, the designers say it's just a refreshing new colour so that's their

colour palette. so that's their defence. they clearly like it. they think it's attractive. do you at home like it? >> i think i'm getting, you at home like it? >> i think i'm getting , i you at home like it? >> i think i'm getting, i don't know, some some sort of epileptic looking all epileptic fit looking at it all the, all the different lines and the, all the different lines and the squiggles and the sort of i mean, does it need to be mean, why does it need to be this complicated? >> it's necessarily >> so it's not necessarily the colours like, but the colours you don't like, but the fact has all these weird fact that it has all these weird and wonderful patterns, textures and wonderful patterns, textures and patterns, dots , spots, and patterns, dots, spots, wibbly lines, bright pinks, dark purples , i mean, it's just purples, i mean, it's just a complicated mess. >> well, the surely a flag should be simple. >> well, the sun says it's a union joke. do you agree? gb views at gb news. com but it's your headlines. >> tom. emily, thank you very much. good afternoon. from the newsroom. it'sjust much. good afternoon. from the newsroom. it's just gone 2:00 and we start with news on the situation in gaza, where israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has said that the air strike unintentionally struck innocent people there, killing seven aid workers, including a british citizen. the group were

travelling in two armoured cars marked with the logo of world central kitchen. the ngo claims the israel defence forces carried out the attack despite coordinating their movements with the military. those killed also include palestinians and people from poland and us . people from poland and the us. speaking earlier, rishi sunak said there must now be a transparent investigation. >> i'm shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza. we urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now with their friends and family, they're doing fantastic work bringing alleviation to the suffering many experiencing suffering that many experiencing in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing. they need to be allowed to do that work unhindered, and it's incumbent on israel to make sure do that. and sure that they can do that. and we're asking israel to investigate what happened urgently, clearly there investigate what happened urquuestions clearly there investigate what happened urquuestions needy there investigate what happened urquuestions needy thea are questions that need to be answered. old has been >> a 12 year old child has been killed and two other children are in a serious condition after are in a serious condition after a shooting carried out by

another child of the same age at another child of the same age at a primary school finland. a primary school in finland. it's for it's understood a permit for the handgun used in that incident belonged to a relative of the suspect. police say the 12 year old has admitted to carrying out the shooting, but the circumstances are not yet clear. the finnish prime minister has said he is deeply shocked and that his thoughts are with the victims their families . here victims and their families. here in the uk, the prime minister is backing jk rowling after she criticised a new hate crime law in scotland. it came into effect yesterday and bans hatred on people on certain grounds. but the says the law risks the author says the law risks silencing genuine debate on issues around gender and women's rights. rishi sunak backs her concerns and he says that people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology. shadow mcfadden stating simple facts on biology. shacgb mcfadden stating simple facts on biology. shacgb morning den stating simple facts on biology. shacgb morning that told gb news this morning that labour have no plans for labour would have no plans for similar laws if wins the next similar laws if it wins the next election . election. >> we want proper enforcement of the anti hate crime laws that

are there and make sure that the right penalties are in place to protect people. we're not planning to legislate for new crimes in this area, and i don't think jk rowling should be arrested. >> well, the government is facing criticism of its new plan, expanded plan to expand funded childcare for working parents in the first week of it being rolled out across the country, meeting parents in hartlepool this morning, the prime minister rejected claims that nurseries can't cope with increasing as a result of increasing demand as a result of the new policy. rishi sunak says the new policy. rishi sunak says the package of support for families has been introduced in stages to give time for more places to be made available . places to be made available. adidas says that it will block any german football shirts featuring the number 44, amid concerns over a resemblance to the ss nazi symbol. the new kits were launched last month ahead of germany hosting the european championships, but a historian has similarities with has flagged similarities with the logo for ss, which was a nazi paramilitary organisation. the country's football association says that it didn't

support spot the similarities when the design was approved, but that it will now be changed. pncesin but that it will now be changed. prices in shops are rising at the slowest rate for two years. that's according to new figures in march , shop prices were up in march, shop prices were up 1.3, slowing from 2.5% the month before. the british retail consortium has said that discounts on popular easter treats and essentials, as well as promotions on electricals . as promotions on electricals. and clothing, have helped to keep those prices down. and the cost of a postage stamp is going up today, as royal mail up from today, as royal mail moves address a drop in moves to address a drop in demand, class stamp will demand, a first class stamp will set you back £1.35. that's a rise of £0.10. and it's the same increase for second class stamps, which will now cost £0.85. 12 months ago, a first class stamp cost just £0.95. it's the fourth price rise in just two years and comes after warnings that lower demand for postage is pushing up costs for royal mail. for the latest

stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. for now, though, it's back to tom and . emily. it's back to tom and. emily. >> it's coming up to 208 in the afternoon now. rishi sunak has leapt to the to the defence of jk rowling after the author challenged the police. she dared the police to arrest her of a new hate crime laws, which took effect yesterday. >> the prime minister the >> the prime minister said the conservative >> the prime minister said the conservfreee >> the prime minister said the conservfree speech, adding protect free speech, adding people not people should not be criminalised for stating simple facts on biology. but how do the people of scotland feel? well, our man on the ground, tony maguire, has been asking just that. i don't think so. >> i think quite honestly, the police have got enough to do. i think at this moment in time they don't even have enough time to serious to investigate more serious crimes like burglaries, etc. so

to investigate more serious cthink like burglaries, etc. so to investigate more serious cthink they've'glaries, etc. so to investigate more serious cthink they've got ies, etc. so to investigate more serious cthink they've got enough so do i think they've got enough to do and i think just bit and i think it's just a wee bit too i definitely think it is, >> i definitely think it is, yes. are we? >> we wouldn't like to be censored in our own home. >> no. >> no. >> i'm going to get at >> no. >> i'm going to get a t shirt printed which says the four most dangerous words in scotland. what do you think ? that's it. what do you think? that's it. >> i think it's going to take too much time for the police to go and try and do anything like that. to me, it's a waste of time, but that's just me, just exactly same opinion. exactly the same opinion. >> i don't so. no, >> no, i don't think so. no, it's time consuming . the it's too time consuming. the police have got far too many things be getting on with. police have got far too many thirgoodnessjetting on with. police have got far too many thirgoodness me,1g on with. police have got far too many thirgoodness me, tony with. police have got far too many thirgoodness me, tony did h. police have got far too many thirgoodness me, tony did you >> goodness me, tony did you speak to a single person that was enthusiastically in support of this change in the law ? of this change in the law? >> yeah, it's interesting. that isn't it? and i mean, i kind of actually wanted to start on that, obviously. gb news we, we strive to give both sides of the debate and, and, you know, last year during the debate, we saw

that that there was really strong views on either side, you know, and it was i wouldn't say 50 over 50 split, but it was something of a moderately even split. i mean, i'm split. and yet this i mean, i'm going at this now pretty much 2 or 3 days. and the outpouring in pubuc or 3 days. and the outpouring in public particularly , public places, not particularly, you know, demonstrations or anything that's particularly lopsided . and people all have lopsided. and people all have huge questions here. and i mean, the question there that i actually asked those people because it's something that i think that a lot of people have picked up on, including rishi sunak this morning, was that, you know, this will allow police to investigate reports of so—called hate crimes and, and people's own homes around the dinner table, watching the tv at night on the sofa. and, you know, i wanted to ask them, how do you feel about that in particular and how how that can actually come into your own home should anything that we say in our own home be open for debate by the authorities? and as you

heard from those people there, that was a really resounding no. >> very interesting indeed. >> yes. very interesting indeed. thank much for getting thank you so much for getting the views of people in glasgow. very interesting indeed. that was, of tony maguire, was, of course, tony maguire, scotland that shirt scotland reporter. that t shirt idea one chap said the idea that that one chap said the four most dangerous words in scotland. what do you think ? scotland. what do you think? there you go. humza yousaf doesn't want to know what you think about anything. in case there could be. it could, incite hatred, stir up hatred, and of course, in your own home. in your own home, of course. >> tony is in glasgow. glasgow is a stronghold of the scottish national party. you'd expect to find at least 1 or 2 people who would yes , this is a great would say yes, this is a great law, this is a great idea. and he really tried. he really tried, we couldn't tried, but we couldn't find anyone. tried, but we couldn't find anyone . spoke to lots of people, anyone. spoke to lots of people, but none of them in support. yeah, lots of people just saying. >> it's a waste of police time. they should focus on burglaries and things and the like, things that actually crimes. but actually are real crimes. but joining is the director actually are real crimes. but joicase is the director actually are real crimes. but joicase operations:he director actually are real crimes. but joicase operations at director actually are real crimes. but joicase operations at dire free of case operations at the free speech union, benjamin jones. benjamin, i you have

benjamin, i imagine you have lots of concerns. are you geanng lots of concerns. are you gearing up for a big public battle between jk rowling and humza yousaf ? humza yousaf? >> we certainly are. >> we certainly are. >> and hundreds of people in scotland have joined the free speech union in the last few days alone. >> raising we've >> we're raising we've crowdfunded £10,000 and more in the days as well, to the last few days as well, to help pay legal fees for people who caught on the wrong side who are caught on the wrong side of stupid of this particularly stupid statute. we have an statute. and we have an arrangement with a top law firm to arrange for solicitors and legal people who legal assistance for people who are arrested or charged or investigated . investigated. >> now, benjamin, just for those that don't know, quickly explain what what is the free speech union? we were set up in 2020 and we are a membership organisation of more than 13,000 people, growing particularly rapidly this week. >> and we stand up for the rights of all members of the pubuc rights of all members of the public across the united kingdom to speak their minds on all sorts of issues. so we are

typically engaged in defending people in employment disputes, in campaigning for better legal protection law, protection and better law, to protection and better law, to protect of free speech protect the right of free speech in the uk, which i think is sorely needed. >> benjamin, what do you think the motivation this the motivation behind this legislation believe legislation is? do you believe that humza first that humza yousaf, first minister scotland, genuinely minister of scotland, genuinely believes will believes that this is what will create society in create a harmonious society in scotland, is scotland, where there is absolutely no hate and it eradicates any nastiness in society? or do you think there's something more sinister behind it? >> i can't peer into the man's soul. i think it's going to be a complete disaster. i think the road to hell is paved with good intentions. perhaps he has intentions. perhaps he has intentions which are good. perhaps that's what he thinks the result of this act will be. but i think looking at it, you couldn't design a piece of legislation that would be a better laser guided missile to target jk rowling, or women and men believe in the reality men who believe in the reality of biological sex, those people really are under threat now. and they are, of course, the majority of the population who are now going to feel unable to

speak minds this issue speak their minds on this issue and on as well. and on others as well. >> i suppose of the big >> i suppose one of the big concerns people have is concerns that people have is just how much support this bill, when a bill had going when it was a bill had going through the scottish parliament, when it was a bill had going th|course,|e scottish parliament, when it was a bill had going th|course, now ottish parliament, when it was a bill had going th|course, now an sh parliament, when it was a bill had going th|course, now an sh fofliament, of course, now an act of parliament. this just parliament. but this wasn't just the brainchild the snp , this the brainchild of the snp, this was supported by the scottish green party, the scottish lib dems scottish labour dems and the scottish labour party . party too. >> yes, that's correct, it was a cross party effort and, conservatives voted against it. it has also been opposed by joanna cherry, for instance, the snp mp. so there is opposition from all sorts of quarters to it. we're very afraid about a piece of legislation like this coming for the rest of the country. following the election , country. following the election, it's worth, though, pointing out some comments that have some of the comments that have been by members, ministers been made by members, ministers of the scottish government in defending they seem to defending this act. they seem to say it won't be as bad as say that it won't be as bad as we will be. there we think it will be. there doesn't seem to be much sort of proactive vocal defence for the act what going to do, act or what it's going to do, and that the community and i saw that the community minister has minister for scotland has said over weekend that

over the weekend that misgendering somebody online will be police matter. so will now be a police matter. so thatis will now be a police matter. so that is the new dark age into which scotland has been thrust by this piece of legislation. and i think it's interesting listening to those clips just then, members of the public rightly very concerned about the idea that what you say in your own not going to be own home is not going to be protected. isn't just protected. and this isn't just about trans issues, for instance, also, act instance, this is also, an act thatis instance, this is also, an act that is going to tackle discrimination based on age . so discrimination based on age. so if you're in your own home and you refer to your own husband or your own father as a grumpy old git, you can be reported to the police who have promised to investigate every single complaint and to make a complaint and to make a complaint . you can go into these complaint. you can go into these p0p up complaint. you can go into these pop up hate crime reporting shops have set shops which have been set up across scotland, including in what euphemistically across scotland, including in wha'an euphemistically across scotland, including in wha'an adult euphemistically across scotland, including in wha'an adult shop)hemistically across scotland, including in wha'an adult shop inemistically across scotland, including in wha'an adult shop in glasgow.( call an adult shop in glasgow. it's ludicrous . it's completely ludicrous. >> informant centres. it >> it's informant centres. it sounds out of sounds like something out of 19305 sounds like something out of 1930s germany, i mean, honestly, and are we trying to make this the most ludicrous parody of a law?

>> thank you very much, doctor benjamin jones, great to speak to you. and of course, the snp have also been accused of demonising young working class men they said we know men because they said we know that young men aged 18 to 30 are most likely to commit hate crime , so they know who they're going most likely to commit hate crime , so tiwhen ow who they're going most likely to commit hate crime , so tiwhen they ho they're going most likely to commit hate crime , so tiwhen they say hey're going most likely to commit hate crime , so tiwhen they say commitoing after. when they say commit hate crimes , they mean say something, crimes, they mean say something, say colour. say slightly off colour. >> yeah, well , let's let's go on >> yeah, well, let's let's go on to another story now because we were talking about this just before the news headlines , this before the news headlines, this rebrand our flag of the flag rebrand of our flag of the flag of the united kingdom, of great britain and northern ireland. this has caused yet more backlash following the rebrand of nike's saint george's cross for the euro football competition this summer. it seems that flag after flag is being changed. >> being messed around with. i mean , judging from our inbox, mean, judging from our inbox, people are not impressed by this. diverse rebrand. team gb's union jack supporters flag has turned pink and purple for the paris olympics this year. should we just leave our flag alone?

well, should we speak to the president of the flag institute, malcolm farrow, who i'm sure has an opinion on this one, malcolm, lots people getting in touch lots of people getting in touch saying leave our saying exactly that. leave our flag alone. >> absolutely. leave our flag alone. trying to muck around with national symbol is the with the national symbol is the wrong thing to do. >> they been designing >> had they been designing a dress, a bikini, a bedspread, or something like that? that's fair enough. you can play around with colours and shapes and designs. of course you can, but not a national flag. a national flag is a symbol which belongs to every single member of the nation. it's a symbol of which people have fought and died for. it is the symbol of our freedom as a liberal democracy. it is the symbol which people flee from dictatorships to come here and live in peace and harmony beneath. and no one should muck it around. we should treat it with dignity, respect , act, with dignity, respect, act, care, attention and love it for what it is . what it is. >> the union flag is a very special flag when it comes to

national flags around the world. many, many countries have seen their change, not even in their flags change, not even in their flags change, not even in the last hundred years. the the last hundred years. in the last years, they're last 70 years, they're relatively . the flag relatively new things. the flag of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland grew over years of amalgamation . grew over years of amalgamation. different flags, very ancient flags together . it's a symbol of flags together. it's a symbol of unity for everyone in our country. how important is it that these symbols remain unadorned , uttered? unadorned, uttered? >> i think it's crucially important that the union flag, well, the first one was designed in 1606, and the only change in 1801 was when the thin red diagonal for saint patrick's cross was for ireland and cross was added for ireland and that flag, the union of the various nations beneath it, is the most successful union of independent countries the world has ever seen, and it's just the most amazing and most amazing symbol, which we have, of course, exported all over the

world. there are half a dozen other countries which use that symbol within their national flags, and by golly, they wouldn't muck around with it. there's about 200 versions of it flying today above yacht clubs, companies, shipping lines , companies, shipping lines, government departments all over the world and not even just within the commonwealth. some places outside the commonwealth still use that flag in one capacity or another. absolutely no one should be mucking around with it. malcolm. they've done the thing. the wrong thing. >> do to their >> what do you say to their explanation? they say this is just a refreshing change in colour palette and it's colour palette and that it's flexible and that it's designed to to a new generation of to appeal to a new generation of athletes and supporters. no, not buying it . buying it. >> would you like the polite answer or the impolite answer? on by the watershed, malcolm. oh by the watershed, malcolm. >> so keep it clean. >> so keep it clean. >> it is complete nonsense. complete nonsense like i said at the beginning, had it been a bedspread, had it been a dress,

had it been a bikini or a table cover or something ? that's fair cover or something? that's fair enough. you can do what you like with colour palettes for that, but not for a national flag. and the have called it the fact is they have called it the fact is they have called it the jack supporters flag the union jack supporters flag or like that . it is or something like that. it is not a union jack and it should never have been made into a flag for hoisting or waving . for hoisting or waving. >> well, there you go, tom. you can keep hold of your, technicolour union flag suit trunks. >> oh! swimming trunks. >> oh! oh, my swimming trunks. i think i should some think maybe i should get some now that's that's a good idea, malcolm. >> start with mug , what >> start with a mug, what a tremendous mug. marvellous. malcolm farrow, president of the flag institute. really appreciate your time on good afternoon, britain today. thank you. >> oh. good stuff. i enjoyed that. >> i do think look, talking through the history of the flag and sort of the, the james the sixth and first, first sort of came up with this idea of merging the, the, the cross of saint and, the saint george and, and the saltire scotland . it is, saltire in scotland. it is, i think, the most remarkable

visual thing. it draws your eye to the centre , these crossing to the centre, these crossing crosses. it is something that stands out. and when i sort of, you know, when there are lots of flags up for some sort of national day or at some international event or whatever, you can't help but look at the union jack there it's the union jack there and it's the best one. union jack there and it's the besit)ne. union jack there and it's the besit just i think, i think he's >> it just i think, i think he's convinced you. i think he's convinced you. i think he's convinced you. i think he's convinced you that we shouldn't have a pink and purple representation of the union flag. i think that's you sold anyway. how do you, the great british public feel we've been asking you on the street. should we take a little listen? >> it's a disgrace . >> it's a disgrace. >> it's a disgrace. >> why not leave it as it is? it's, you know, our traditional flag . flag. >> why mess with it like the england football shirt? just leave england football shirt? just lea'that proper for >> that is the proper flag for our country. >> and that's what should be here. >> well, i think it's a bit weird. the change in it. it's the flags, the flag in it. it's been there centuries, isn't it? keep it the same. >> i quite like it, but i think the could be red, yeah.

the red could be red, yeah. nothing really against it. >> team gb should be about the union jack in great britain. >> but to me that's not. >> but to me that's not. >> oh, well, there you go. >> oh, well, there you go. >> well, we found one person who liked it. one person who liked though, although wanted the red a redder. well much to a bit redder. well much more to come up . come on the program coming up. could a liz truss style tory leader be the answer to conservative party woes? we'll be discussing after this.

>> it is 225 in the afternoon. you're watching and listening to. good afternoon , britain. now to. good afternoon, britain. now we're hearing that there is a plan to install a liz truss style tory leader by the popular conservatism group. >> yes, the popcorns, as they're known. a movement aiming to

restore democratic accountability and deliver popular conservative policies. well, they've reportedly devised a plan to introduce a future tory leader aligned with liz truss views on economic policy. so presumably that means small state free markets . state free markets. >> but of course, liz truss's downfall was partially to do with lots of spending, wasn't it, tom? >> it was. well, i it it's my belief that had she not, committed to spending up to £200 billion on, on fixing energy prices, then all of her tax cuts altogether, that was only adding up to around 50 billion. and i say what what upset the markets more? was it the 50 billion in tax cuts or the potentially 200 billion in extra spending? i mean, i think it's fairly clear those woke left markets anyway , those woke left markets anyway, this comes after the probability of a conservative defeat has intensified, of course, after continued polls suggest the likelihood of a significant loss

i >> -- >> well, you can say that again. >> well, you can say that again. >> well, you can say that again. >> well, let's speak to a former adviser to david cameron, phillip blonde, on this issue and perhaps on the issue of replacing rishi sunak at all, because, philip, the plan as it, as it is being reported, is of course for after a conservative party election defeat. but i suppose the big question there will, i mean, will there be any sort of dregs of the conservative party left to lead? >> well, i mean , i've been >> well, i mean, i've been talking about this for some six months now. >> i, i said i thought there would be a leadership contest because the conservatives i feared would go below 100 seats. >> at the time i was speaking there, around 220 or so. >> and so it's proved that there continues to lose support. >> and so the argument against doing anything, is weakening and weakening . weakening. >> and you've got the local elections coming up . so it would elections coming up. so it would not surprise me if there was a not surprise me if there was a no confidence vote. shortly

after the cataclysmic , local after the cataclysmic, local election defeats before the election. and really, what you're seeing is lots of people are talking about after the election, but in reality, they're preparing for before the election because the odds on the balloon going up, after the local elections have shortened considerably and sort of 5050. now as to whether the will indeed be a vote of no confidence, i mean , philip, a confidence, i mean, philip, a lot of people would roll around laughing or at least scoff at the idea that a liz truss style leader is the answer to the conservative party's woes. >> because, of course, liz truss didn't last too long in the position. others think the position. but others think the conservative party needs to get back to its roots and part of that has to be moving towards a more low tax economy, a more free market economy and everything that goes with with that. i mean, at this point, do

you think it would be madness to replace to oust rishi sunak and replace to oust rishi sunak and replace him with someone who is more like liz truss in that re spect? respect? >> well, there's two points that separate them. i don't think it's madness to change leader, because i think a new leader now, even though , can mitigate now, even though, can mitigate the losses and get the conservative party back where they can challenge labour will have a very difficult time governing , the social governing, the social liberalism, if i can call it that. >> the trans agenda is very unpopular in the country , and i unpopular in the country, and i think they could be subject to challenge by a revivified conservative party so i think it's all to fight for. i mean, i think a defeat is baked in, but it's the scale of the defeat that isn't. >> but philip, is there not a risk that changing leader would make what the argument is that the labour party has been making all of this week is tory chaos, tory chaos. if you change leader yet again, doesn't that labour

party argument, if anything, get bolstered ? bolstered? >> well, what we have at the moment is government by detail rather than by principle. >> you get the sense that the government isn't gripping any of the major challenges facing this country. >> and to have a leader who did, i think would dramatically improve the conservative party chances, and they're losing , chances, and they're losing, they're losing the 2019 voters. and here's to your second point, emily. the appeal of liz truss free market conservative ism is about 8% of the voting public, people who voted for brexit, who constitute the majority of the 2019 electorate are not in favour of free market policies, largely because they've lost out from them. the free market, as we've practised it since thatcher and blair has shifted wealth to asia, has improved the

condition of the indian and chinese working class, if i can call it that, but has exposed the western working class to insecurity, wage stagnation and essentially, debt privation. >> so some people would argue that that, you know, it's a domestic policies that have have left the cost of living. so high. so some of those supply side reforms that liz truss wanted and in terms of planning regulations and other things would made things cheaper. would have made things cheaper. fracking new fracking would have created new jobs, things cheaper for jobs, made things cheaper for the everyday person. i agree, i agree with some of the points liz liz truss makes. >> i rather like her personally , >> i rather like her personally, but the point is, is that what the what the right in the whole of the west has to face and the americans have faced this and they're facing it on the continent. is the free market model in misery ? it's the model in misery? it's the working class in the west. and

we either adjust to that reality or we don't. if the conservatives added lots of cheap stuff for people in the west, although i think what liz truss might say to that is she's written book. written this book. >> coming out on the 16th >> it's coming out on the 16th of month. it says years of this month. it says ten years to west. that's the to save the west. that's the title. and a lot of it is about how we shouldn't have free and unfettered trade with countries like china and only have free trade with countries that share our democratic values. that's one her big ideas. she calls one of her big ideas. she calls it economic nato , i suppose it an economic nato, i suppose that's a that's a big step change from the, paradigm we're living in now. >> yeah, i this reminds me of the tariff reforms that that we used to have when we were we had an empire where we wouldn't we would impose tariffs outside of the empire . i don't disagree the empire. i don't disagree with that approach, but that is not a free market approach. it's something like a constrained aid, approach where we link our values with our economic exchange. now, the point i'm trying to make is that the is

that for ordinary working people in britain and in countries like britain, in europe and america, the free market has meant wage stagnation, rampant insecurity and immiseration. >> only after 2008 it meant increased wages right from margaret thatcher. right up until the financial crisis that we had, we had some of the fastest growth of any developed economy . economy. >> but the distribution of that growth, that's the point. growth, tom, that's the point. >> the all levels of income, we can continue this discussion, tom, in a little bit, but we're going to have to end this for now. but philip, thank you very much indeed. we have this much indeed. we can have this debate bit on i really debate a little bit on i really liked how we referenced imperial preference because it was the 1906 yes. >> yes, yes. »- eam- eam— >> anyway, we're going to the tories, going news tories, we're going to the news headlines. >> very good afternoon. it's just after 2:30, the headlines this half hour, israel has admitted its forces were behind

an unintended airstrike which killed seven aid workers in gaza, including a british national. the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, says officials are now checking the incident thoroughly and is pledging to do everything to prevent it happening again. the group killed were travelling in two armoured cars marked with the world central kitchen logo. the ngo has claimed the israel defence forces carried out the attack despite coordinating their movements with the military. those killed also include palestinians and people from poland and the us . rishi from poland and the us. rishi sunak says there must be a transparent investigation . transparent investigation. >> in shocked and saddened to hear the reported deaths of aid workers in gaza, we're urgently working to confirm all the details, but my thoughts right now with their friends and family, they're doing fantastic work bringing alleviation to the suffering that many are experiencing in gaza. they should be praised and commended for what they're doing. they need to be allowed to do that

work unhindered and it's incumbent on israel to make sure that can that. and we're that they can do that. and we're asking to investigate asking israel to investigate what urgently, because what happened urgently, because clearly that clearly there are questions that need . need to be answered. >> a 12 year old child has been killed and two other children are in a serious condition after are in a serious condition after a shooting carried out by another child at a primary school in finland. it's understood the permit for the handgun belonged to a relative of the suspect. police say the 12 year old has admitted to carrying out the shooting , but carrying out the shooting, but that the circumstances are not yet the finnish prime yet clear. the finnish prime minister says he is deeply shocked and that his thoughts are victims and their are with the victims and their families . and here in the uk, families. and here in the uk, the prime minister is backing jake rowling after she criticised a new hate crime law in scotland . that law came into in scotland. that law came into effect yesterday and rules out hatred against people on certain grounds. but the author says it risks silencing genuine debate on issues around gender and women's rights. rishi sunak is backing those concerns, saying that people should not be

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i >> -- >> good afternoon. britain. it's coming up to 20 to 3. and lots and lots of you have been getting in touch with all your views throughout the show. and i think we should start with one that actually rather tickled me about the hilarious that we had. right. this is. this is from steve. he says i'm no royalist, but i think it's an offence to deface the flag. that's from steve king. he's no royalist. his name is king.

>> the tumbleweed. >> the tumbleweed. >> i just i just thought it was brilliant. >> yeah, brilliant. brilliant. brilliant. brilliant, brilliant. >> but lots of people have been writing on the flag. >> kathy says show some respect . >> kathy says show some respect. many fought and died many people have fought and died under flag. that's under the union flag. and that's absolutely true. >> of people are >> yeah, lots of people are pretty by this. all pretty irritated by this. all linda says the athletes should not be able to compete if they don't national flag. don't wear the national flag. simple, yvonne says simple, she says. yvonne says i love the union jack. leave it alone. sick of these people? hate it. stop changing our heritage. she says. hate it. stop changing our her nick. she says. hate it. stop changing our her nick says she says. hate it. stop changing our her nick says i she says. hate it. stop changing our her nick says i think|e says. hate it. stop changing our her nick says i think the |ys. hate it. stop changing our her nick says i think the olympic >> nick says i think the olympic great britain flag is ridiculous, but certainly in keeping with woke ideology. and nick, i think this is a i think this is a fair point because everything about the olympics is always garish. it's always always very garish. it's always do remember the london 2012 do you remember the london 2012 logo? it was awful. the london 2012 little alien mascot things dread awful. i sort of have come to expect this from everything olympic. it's always just very, very uncomfortable .

very uncomfortable. >> but as the guy from the flag institute said , he said it's institute said, he said it's different from, you know, playing around with a flag when it's on a piece of merchandise, like a mug or a bikini, he said, which was interesting and or something . when it's something else. when it's actually a flag, when it's meant to be flown a flag. but to be flown as a flag. but richie says, emily, tom, please remind farage about the remind mr farage about the colour of the union flag as interpreted by ukip . it was interpreted by ukip. it was shades of purple. yes it was. that's true. is there hypocrisy there? no that's true. no different. is it different? >> did sell flags with the >> they did sell flags with the sort of ukip logo in the middle and were purple, i think. and that were purple, i think. did yeah, they did, so did they? yeah, they did, so there go. bit of stash. there you go. a bit of stash. >> bit merchandise? >> is it a bit of merchandise? but me, but of course we but not for me, but of course we were talking about id cards as well. has written in well. and anne has written in say, emily and tom, say, dear emily and tom, regarding identity regarding your item on identity cards. i still have mine, which were issued, i think, in the second world war. i wonder if it would still be valid. >> oh, i wish i'd said it in a photo of it. not. i wish you'd sent it in a photo of it. anne.

i'd like to see how they how exactly they looked, but i think this is the point that norman bakeh this is the point that norman baker, home office baker, the former home office minister earlier, was minister we had on earlier, was making peepers, please? making are we a peepers, please? >> the war? of >> society in the war? of course, were issued with course, people were issued with id we blackouts. id cards. we also had blackouts. we had sort of the most we also had sort of the most state impositions lives state impositions on our lives that we saw, well, since the pandemic. but is that the pandemic. but but is that the society we want to live in all the time? this sort of hand me your papers society. well, i'm not so sure. >> some might say that, i would only say to that really that things are quite dangerous at the moment and we have a big illegal immigration problem . and illegal immigration problem. and perhaps there's a lot of people have written in to say they think id cards would actually help in terms of making sure that know they're people are that we know they're people are we know who are going to we know who they are going to keep id cards, but they keep their id cards, but they wouldn't have an id card yet, wouldn't have an id card yet, would they? is once they're would they? this is once they're here, they'll issued here, but they'll be issued one and it away. well, and they'll throw it away. well, quite quite possibly, quite possibly, quite possibly, but it's not but we know that it's not working currently. working as it is currently. >> we have, of course, >> no, we also have, of course, been talking about the obesity,

as some people say , epidemic, as some people say, epidemic, with regards to how the nhs pays for all of this stuff, some people argue people can be addicted to food. i'm not sure people can be addicted to food. i'm not sure that's a i mean, i think there are some real addictions in life and there are some sort of less real addictions binge eating, binge eating very real one. >> people can be addicted to losing i mean, losing weight too. i mean, anorexia is form of addiction , anorexia is a form of addiction, is it not? mental health? >> anorexia is a mental health condition in and of itself. i wouldn't call that an addiction. >> i don't know. i think >> well, i don't know. i think it's a different of it's a different type of dependency. perhaps you're not a physical withdrawal, perhaps physical withdrawal, but perhaps some experience some people do experience physical withdrawal when they stop consuming foods. stop consuming high fat foods. >> has written in with an absolutely terrible idea to solve all this . one that i solve all of this. one that i heartily disagree with. paul says should just tax on says we should just put tax on fast should people fast food. why should people who responsibly eat fast food have to pay more just because some people can't eat it responsibly? >> do you know what i really

feel like? i can't wait for you to get fat . to get fat. >> i'm not going to get fat. >> i'm not going to get fat. >> well, you might not. you might. i just won't. and then you wouldn't be. so, you know, judgemental of people who pack on the pounds. judgemental of people who pack on i'mpounds. judgemental of people who pack on i'm not1ds. judgemental of people who pack on i'm not being judgemental. >> i'm not being judgemental. >> i'm not being judgemental. >> i'm not being judgemental. >> i'm saying >> people pack on the i'm saying we lots of different we shouldn't. lots of different reasons of different reasons for lots of different reasons, the reasons, no, but i'm not the one. quick to say one. you're very quick to say that it's all about personal responsibility. and yes, of course , to an extent it is. but course, to an extent it is. but there are many people who are not lazy, who are not, you know, hopeless people, but just happen to have a bit of a weight issue. >> of course. and emily, i'm not the one saying the food , the one saying tax the food, paups the one saying tax the food, paul's the one saying tax the food. >> i'm not talking about just taxing. >> i'm arguing against. >> i'm arguing against. >> i'm arguing against. >> i disagree with taxing more food. , it's not to food. i mean, it's not going to help. certainly going to help. certainly not going to help. certainly not going to help. tax hasn't done help. the sugar tax hasn't done anything says anything, but yes, bob says obese earlier. so obese people die earlier. so therefore costs less in the long tum. that's what people say about it's true. so about smokers too. it's true. so smokers actually everyone smokers if actually everyone smoked earlier. smoked people would die earlier. so would less. yeah.

so that would be less. yeah. >> the biggest the >> well and the biggest the biggest , expenditure on the >> well and the biggest the biggest, expenditure on the nhs is last five years of is in the last five years of people's lives. that's when the most amount of time and, and money goes into the nhs. i mean, it's a morbid thought. >> and just lastly, on the bbc, on the news that huw edwards is likely be highest likely to still be the highest paid presenter despite not presenting for news eight presenting the for news eight months, alan says if i as a worker was suspended, it would undoubtedly be a reduced undoubtedly be on a reduced salary. is bbc extravagance salary. this is bbc extravagance , yes, well, we don't know what his contract was. >> no we don't, but i would expect that his contract has been written by the very best lawyers, paid for by his enormous salary . and so these enormous salary. and so these things are self—perpetuating, aren't they? we've run to the end of the gb views time, but i really wanted to talk heavily about 1906 election and about the 1906 election and imperial preference. trying imperial preference. he's trying to upset me, i guess. >> trying to upset me. he's trying upset me . coming up, trying to upset me. coming up, we're asking time for we're asking if it's time for the museum to return the british museum to return artefacts countries. artefacts to foreign countries. that's short .

break. >> right. on >> right. on >> it's 248. hello. good afternoon . britain. now, the afternoon. britain. now, the telegraph has revealed the british museum is holding private discussions with four foreign governments about. guess what? returning items in its collection. >> yes, it seems to be the only museum in the world that's really wanting to give things away. rather than, you know, collecting things, but the document shows that since 2015, the museum has received 12 separate to hand back separate requests to hand back items . items. >> well, the museum didn't reveal any details about which specific objects or which specific objects or which specific countries were involved , but added the communications were ongoing. >> let's speak to the historian and broadcaster rafe heydel—mankoo now, who can join us to talk about this more, deeply , because rafe i, i

deeply, because rafe i, i struggle with this subject because if you think about any museum anywhere in the world thatis museum anywhere in the world that is collecting objects that didn't originate in that precise spot, is that bad ? spot, is that bad? >> of course it's not bad. >> of course it's not bad. >> i mean, the important point to note here is that the british museum is what we call an encyclopaedic museum, and that covers the entire globe. >> and there are really only three of these in the world the louvre in paris, the met in new york, and the british museum. >> institutions , >> and these institutions, actually, because of their global they global collections, they speak to shared humanity. to our shared humanity. >> they place things like the elgin and the benin elgin marbles and the benin bronzes within that sort of wider global context, where we can chart how civilisations develop differently and at different times. >> and that used to be understood . but now we are understood. but now we are reducing everything to ethnicity and the nation state. and i find it very odd that these increasingly woke curators are essentially prioritising nationalism over

internationalism. >> and that seems to be a very odd argument for the left to be making. you know, the left were always usually people who hated nationalism. at least they do when it comes from the west. but when it comes from the west. but when comes from when nationalism comes from non—western suddenly when nationalism comes from non—w greatly suddenly when nationalism comes from non—w greatly enthusiasts ddenly when nationalism comes from non—w greatly enthusiasts for nly it. >> so rafe, what should the british museum's position on on all this be? should they just say to claim from any say no to any claim from any foreign government ? foreign government? >> absolutely. well, the first thing to note, of course, is that this is all happening under the leadership of the most controversial most powerful controversial and most powerful chairman museum controversial and most powerful ch living| museum controversial and most powerful ch living memory, museum controversial and most powerful ch living memory, george.useum in living memory, george osborne, who seems hell osborne, a man who seems hell bent on giving away everything that this nation has. >> firstly , opening us up to the >> firstly, opening us up to the chinese and having their control of critical infrastructure and assets, then being middle assets, then being the middle man to facilitate the sale of the telegraph and the spectator , the telegraph and the spectator, two of our most important conservative publications, to an abu dhabi backed company, and now again facilitating these secret negotiations. the fact is, what we should be doing is having a permanent exhibition at the british museum, which

celebrates the fact that it was actually britain and france that saved the world's heritage in those regions. >> it was britain and french orientalists who rediscovered india's classical civilisation, who discovered for the world that buddha came from india, for example, preserved historical artefacts like temples and so forth, which were being completely neglected by the nafive completely neglected by the native populations. and it was the british and the french who built the museums that currently stand in those countries where the of artefacts the vast majority of artefacts are to be found . the are actually to be found. the british museum only has a tiny portion of the items that are actually in collections around the world, so we should be celebrating the fact that we've done all of this for human civilisation. and the british museum should thought as museum should be thought of as a british museum of mankind, or a world museum. words , rafe. >> the argument goes that yes, that might well have been true. it might well have been true that had the elgin marbles stayed on the parthenon, on the acropolis, in athens, there would have been blown up by the

ottomans and the gunpowder store as it was. and britain might well have saved these items. and that's probably true many of that's probably true of many of the in collection . but the items in the collection. but that was then, and this is now, and many people will argue and do argue that the way to preserve these items, we've we've done our bit, but now they should return back to their places of origin . places of origin. >> well, that's simply not the case because there's no guarantee that these items will be well preserved in many of these developing nations. i mean, we don't know the actual number of countries or which countries are making these requests of the british museum. but one of those is often quoted is, are the benin bronzes of nigeria, these, of course , are nigeria, these, of course, are the benin bronzes were commissioned by the most brutal slave owning regime in africa, and they commemorate the slave owning, slave owning royals . owning, slave owning royals. now, the nigerian policy of the nigerian government is to repatriate all of these benin bronzes and not put them on pubuc bronzes and not put them on public display, but to return

them to the descendant, the oba , them to the descendant, the oba, them to the descendant, the oba, the king of the benin, who was actually a descendant of these slave owners . taking them away actually a descendant of these slavepublics . taking them away actually a descendant of these slavepublic view,(ing them away actually a descendant of these slavepublic view, is g them away actually a descendant of these slavepublic view, is thatzm away actually a descendant of these slavepublic view, is that foraway from public view, is that for the greater good, surely the greater good is to have them seen by largest number of seen by the largest number of people, and millions more people seen by the largest number of peop around millions more people seen by the largest number of peop around the ions more people seen by the largest number of peop around the worldrore people seen by the largest number of peop around the worldrore see)le from around the world will see them the british museum, then from around the world will see thenin the british museum, then from around the world will see thenin nigeria.tish museum, then from around the world will see thenin nigeria. also,iuseum, then from around the world will see thenin nigeria. also, whatn, then stay in nigeria. also, what we've known is that when benin bronzes went back to nigeria and other within a few years, other items within a few years, they often appeared on international sales. mark tufnell that's a very good point. >> rafe i'm sorry. we're going to it there, but to have to end it there, but great to you and get great to speak to you and get your view on all rafe your view on all this. rafe heydel—mankoo it from us heydel—mankoo that's it from us today. it is. >> lovely. it's been >> that's it. lovely. it's been charming. it's been charming. >> ever. we've had charming. it's been charming. >> coming ever. we've had charming. it's been charming. >> coming next, we've had charming. it's been charming. >> coming next, we martin fun. coming up next, it's martin daubney fun. coming up next, it's martin dalwhat's on your show ? >> what's on your show? >> what's on your show? >> show. as ever, 60 >> great show. guys, as ever, 60 charities are saying the uk should adopt a ukrainian style refugee scheme for palestinians. >> what could possibly go wrong? well 64% of palestinians who went to denmark in the 90s ended

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