today, the prime minister threatens to sever ties with the european court of human rights over his rwanda plans. >> yes, he's determined to get flights to rwanda. now it seems that the prime minister is willing, potentially to pull britain out of the echr if that's what it takes . that's what it takes. >> a labour landslide, a new poll reveals tories could suffer the worst election defeat on record, with sir keir starmer's party predicted to win 400 seats. a new guidelines reveal. >> judges should consider more

lenient sentences for criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds , from disadvantaged backgrounds, amid concerns it would create a divide with the middle classes . divide with the middle classes. >> the world central kitchen founder claims that israeli forces targeted his aid workers systematically, as former top judges say arming israel breaches international law . breaches international law. >> and in sport this morning, arsenal are back of the top of the premier league for at least 24 hours after beating luton, manchester city hot on their heels though, after scoring four against aston villa and luis rubiales , is in more trouble rubiales, is in more trouble again . again. >> morning watch out for some heavy, possibly thundery downpours in the south—east first thing this morning. otherwise there'll be a few showers around and feeling pleasantly warm in any bright or sunny spells. i'll have the forecast sunny spells. i'll have the fore good sunny spells. i'll have the foregood morning sunny spells. i'll have the fore good morning to i'm >> good morning to you. i'm stephen dixon and i'm ellie costello, and this is breakfast on . gb news.

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like he will, if necessary . bear like he will, if necessary. bear in mind that the safety of rwanda bill is still going through parliament. it's faced a huge battle to go through the house of lords, but when it becomes law, it's likely to be challenged by the courts. now rishi sunak is determined wind to finally get people on flights to finally get people on flights to rwanda some two years after this scheme was announced. if it is blocked by the courts in europe again, he has heavily suggested now that he will promise to pull britain out of the echr that is the nuclear option, now plenty on the right have been calling for this for a long time. people like the former home secretary, suella braverman being just one of them. plenty of voters on the right would be very happy to see this, but of course, it will alienate potentially many of his

sort of one nation more moderate wing. it may alienate also a lot of potential conservative voters and also the government in kigali in rwanda itself, said that it would have no part in this deal if it was not going to comply , with international law. comply, with international law. so let's see. it could of course, be called as one of the pledges that rishi sunak might make in going to the polls and fighting the next election , fighting the next election, whenever that may be. some speculation that that could be, in the early summer. >> well, meanwhile, catherine, that the tories are on course for a worse general election result than sir john for a worse general election result than sirjohn major's in result than sir john major's in 1997. that's according to a new poll out this morning. >> yes, another day, another poll and disastrous reading for the conservatives. again, it suggests, from this very extensive poll of 19,000 people

that if the election happened today, we'd be looking at effectively 1997 style. wipe—out for the conservatives in fact, even worse, saying the conservatives would get 155 seats. they got 165. even when tony blair swept to power, reform would get 12% of the vote. they wouldn't get any seats , but they would prevent seats, but they would prevent dozens of conservative, seats being held or won by the tories and the lib dems. also on 12. but they would do rather better by this model. looking to come out with 49 now. it's four years today since sir keir starmer was elected leader of labour at the time, because they'd had such a disastrous showing in 2019, and it was thought that he would basically be a sort of caretaker

leader, that he'd be there for some time before handing on to somebody else, that it would take ten years or more to get labour back into a position where they could be elected . my where they could be elected. my goodness, how things have changed. i've taken a look back , changed. i've taken a look back, at his first four years in charge of the labour party . charge of the labour party. let's have a look at that. now. >> a changed labour party on the march on your side. return to the service of working people . the service of working people. >> things can always change and fast , but current >> things can always change and fast, but current polling predicts a huge labour majority . predicts a huge labour majority. how times change. four years ago, starmer took over a labour party smarting from its worst defeat since 1935. >> cumulatively, we lost the trust of the public in the labour party as a force for good and a force for change, and we've lost four general elections . elections. >> despite calls for a first female leader, the party plumped for another man from north

london on a platform of ten left wing pledges making, he said the moral case for socialism. few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman, who was starmer's political secretary, explains so things that he said for years ago, before we left the european union, before covid, before before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunge us into as a country, before our mortgages all went through the roof, things you could say then, you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things . now, realistic to say the exact same things. now, starmer's determination to root out the anti semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach, and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip , sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself changing the party hasn't been easy. when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021,

starmer came close to resigning . starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to clip the wings of deputy leader angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles. borisjohnson her gaining a whole host of titles. boris johnson but weeks later the partygate scandal began to break and labour passed the tories in the polls. >> boozy parties in downing street . is he now going to do street. is he now going to do the decent thing and resign? >> as the conservatives have swapped one prime minister for another and another against a backdrop of high taxes and stretched public services , the stretched public services, the labour lead has only grown. here's scarlett mccgwire pollster at jl partners , and one pollster at jl partners, and one thing that keir starmer has managed to do is make himself and the party look like a safe opfion and the party look like a safe option again, especially around issues like immigration and the economy numerous u—turns economy and his numerous u—turns on policy have been seized on by the tories. >> now he seems to be opposing that policy. it's only wednesday

. i know he flip flops, but even for him it's pretty quick. >> the war in gaza has led to rebellions and the humiliation of george galloway winning rochdale. but starmer is focused on acting like a prime minister in waiting. >> we actually recently asked voters to describe keir starmer in a single word , and the most in a single word, and the most commonly used words were weak , commonly used words were weak, boring, unsure. people also use words like honest and competent and leader and i think one thing that we hear more and more from people is that actually, the more they see of him, at least they think he might be a little bit more normal than rishi sunak . something we hear a lot. we hear we don't know what keir starmer stands for. we're not sure the labour party sure what the labour party stands but must be stands for, but they must be better just better than what we've just had for last years. so we're for the last 14 years. so we're going give them a go in just going to give them a go in just four years. >> sir starmer has dragged >> sir keir starmer has dragged the labour party back towards the labour party back towards the the edge of the centre and to the edge of power. katherine forster . gb

power. katherine forster. gb news. so scarlett mccgwire, they're saying that voters consider labour to be the least bad option. hardly a ringing endorsement , but bad option. hardly a ringing endorsement, but i think it is worth saying what a huge achievement that it is that sir keir starmer has dragged labour from this horrendous result back in 2019 to a position where it's now expected that he's going to get a huge majority. and, you know, it's easy. perhaps to underestimate him because of the chaos within the conservatives but he is quite ruthless. he does want to win and he is going to do whatever that takes . it to do whatever that takes. it does look very much at the moment, like he's going to be our next prime minister. >> okay, catherine, thanks very much indeed . much indeed. >> and now judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from depnved sentences for offenders from deprived backgrounds. the sentencing council has for the

first time explained the mitigating factors that include poverty, low educational attainment, experience of discrimination and insecure housing. >> well, let's talk to former metropolitan police detective peter bleksley . peter, good to peter bleksley. peter, good to see you this morning. is it not right to look at mitigating factors like these judges always have done? >> and they always will do they do not need it laying out from a body the sentencing council formed in 2010, which , with this formed in 2010, which, with this ridiculous set of guidelines, has just shown how unfit for purpose it is. judges take these factors into account. this is deeply insulting to anybody born into poverty who was not particularly academic, who went on to make a decent living, contributing to society . and contributing to society. and quite frankly, it's just shown that this council that was established in 2010 is not fit for purpose. and should be abolished forthwith .

abolished forthwith. >> and, you know, peter, depending on whatever background you're from, whether that's upper class, whether it's whether you're born into poverty, you should know the difference right and difference between right and wrong. absolutely. wrong. surely absolutely. >> and we should all be judged as equals in the eyes of the law. but this just flies in the face of all that. and let's look at the broader picture here in the uk, sadly, our streets are becoming increasingly lawless. we have an absolute epidemic of shoplifting and assaults on, retail staff. there's massive increase in violent crime. car crime is dreadful. burglary none of these are being investigated. nobody's being caught. so on those occasions when people are arrested , charged, put in front arrested, charged, put in front of a court and convicted, what what are people going to do now? they're simply going to say, i came from a tough background. life was hard for me. so please give me a lesser sentence. there are no deterrence these days, which is why, sadly , crime does

pay- >> you say this highlights the need to basically get rid of the sentencing council , but isn't it sentencing council, but isn't it necessary, peter? i mean, is it to provide those guidelines so that judges up and down the country are are sentencing in a similar way ? similar way? >> it's these guidelines that have led to so many sentences that have had the public and the media up in arms in recent years. this body was only formed 14 years ago. it's not like it's cemented into the very heart and soul of our judiciary. and having been in many, many courts and in front of many, many judges as a witness, i hasten to add, rather than a defendant, i've always, erred on the side of trusting the wisdom of judges to come to their decisions . it to come to their decisions. it is judges who hear all the facts of a case and not the sentencing council. so i think this kind of prescriptive, instructions that are being handed down are damaging. they tie the hands of

judges very often, and consequently people do not receive the suitable punishments that they should, do you fear that they should, do you fear that this will excuse criminality ? criminality? >> yes. and that's why it's so deeply insulting to people like me who came from a rather impoverished background. please forgive me, who came from a rather impoverished background and didn't achieve particularly well at school and then went on to liver law abiding life. it's so , so insulting to people to so, so insulting to people to just say, well, if you're if you're starting life is difficult, then we'll understand. if you go off and have a life of crime utterly insulting. >> peter, really good to see you. this morning. thanks very much indeed. and if you've got a view on that, do let us know. gb views gb news. com to gaza now, where outrage continues worldwide after an israeli strike killed seven aid workers on monday, the founder of world

central kitchen has now accused israeli forces in gaza of systematically targeting his aid workers. >> car by car. >> 17 members between the special speciality security people . we have three british people. we have three british individuals and three three international group, one palestinian, that they were targeted systems car by car. >> well, israel has apologised saying it was a grave mistake , saying it was a grave mistake, an unintentional. well it all comes on. what is the 75th anniversary of nato? >> well, joining us now to discuss this in more detail is defence editor for the evening standard, robert fox. good to see you this morning, robert. i mean, we heard there from israel, didn't we, saying that it was a grave mistake. they have apologised. meanwhile, the world central kitchen founder has said this was systematic has said this was a systematic attack and these cars were taken out one by one. >> well, there may be more to

what jose andres says than to what jose andres says than to what the israelis have been saying. i'm afraid there is some very ugly evidence coming out about the way targeting takes place in gaza, and there have been some rafe really eye—watering reports from the liberal and sometime pioneering daily, haaretz, which has been interviewing returned commanders from gaza , their reserve forces. from gaza, their reserve forces. so they're not professional , but so they're not professional, but they are they are officers and they are they are officers and they say commanders in the gaza strip, in the various sectors , strip, in the various sectors, according to one quote, they make up their own rules. and, haaretz explains how commanders has designated these boxes , has designated these boxes, known as killing zones. and anybody who enters a killing zone, whether they have a weapon on them or not, unidentified , is

on them or not, unidentified, is seen as a target. furthermore haaretz goes on to question the nature of the 9000, the identities of the 9000 hamas that the israeli defence forces claim to have killed. they said it's very , very hard to say. so, it's very, very hard to say. so, what i'm trying to say is that there is a very important case to answer that discipline is breaking down in the israeli forces in gaza. and the argument that we heard that these were deliberately targeted has some circumstantial evidence in that they were fired at in three different locations. they were fired at most likely from drones firing spike missiles. now fired at most likely from drones firing spike missiles . now the firing spike missiles. now the drone pilots and coordinators and programmers must know about how this came about. >> and yet we did. is there not some credence as well to what israel is saying? there is one

minister, getting behind the microphone , in the last 24 hours microphone, in the last 24 hours saying, well, look, this is awful . it's really unfortunate, awful. it's really unfortunate, but it's war and it happens . and but it's war and it happens. and he went on to say, we've unfortunately killed 30 of our own idf soldiers. unfortunately killed 30 of our own idf soldiers . we killed own idf soldiers. we killed three hostages that we were trying to get back into israel. it's awful, but it's a war zone, that's not good enough , you can that's not good enough, you can say that because where is the war taking you? and i think that thatis war taking you? and i think that that is the big suspicion. and where there have been prominent, world statesmen, pedro sanchez . world statesmen, pedro sanchez. interestingly, the spanish prime minister has said that he doesn't believe the israeli excuses , nor has, antonio excuses, nor has, antonio gutierrez of the of the un. and this is why the response, i'm afraid, from the foreign minister, lord cameron has saying that really that we have asked for a full and frank inquiry where we ask all the

time, for these there are , the time, for these there are, the figures given by the hamas, ministry of health, i have to say that that is the source of the big 30, 30, 2000 palestinian killed. they. that does seem credible . but what also seems credible. but what also seems credible. but what also seems credible is that by accident or by design, is that israel is now conniving at a policy of mass starvation , which is a chilling starvation, which is a chilling thing to say. >> robert, we've got to leave it there, unfortunately. but for now, thanks very much indeed. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> now, still to come, a workforce fund has been introduced to tackle challenges introduced to tackle challenges in the cancer sector to improve patient care . we'll be patient care. we'll be discussing that and much more .

next. >> 623. good morning to you. now, cancer patients have faced worsening delays for treatments amid chronic staff shortages, exacerbated, of course , still, exacerbated, of course, still, by the pandemic. >> well, according to the world health organisation , around 40% health organisation, around 40% of physicians could leave the profession over the next five years. >> well, a workforce fund has now been created to tackle the challenges within the sector and try to improve patient care well , joining us now in the studio is leading oncology nurse professor andreas haralambous and executive director of the european cancer community foundation. >> mike morrissey . very good >> mike morrissey. very good morning to you both. and we'll start with you, andreas. just how bad is this crisis? >> well, when, we want to describe the crisis on a global scale , then we can say that scale, then we can say that every country is facing the problem to some extent when

we're talking about the uk, we're talking about the uk, we're talking about shortages of cancer nurses, cancer doctors , cancer nurses, cancer doctors, pharmacists, technical staff and speaking about cancer care . it's speaking about cancer care. it's a very complex process. we need all these specialities to be in place in the right numbers , in place in the right numbers, in the right skill mix, in order to be able to provide high quality care. so the problem is quite high and it affects if we take, for example, that the workforce is the backbone of the health care systems and the backbone is compromised, then the whole care is compromised. >> yeah. mike, how is this cancer workforce fund going to actually work? what difference can it actually make? >> well, we're trying to address a problem that we haven't seen in 50 years, stephen. you know, it's that scale . and andreas set it's that scale. and andreas set up a foundation last year to

attract funding from outside health care . we're very good in health care. we're very good in health care. we're very good in health care. we're very good in health care about talking to each other, but what we'll be doing tonight at the mansion house with the lord mayor of the city of london is attracting people from outside health care to come and fund projects in the community is to make a difference to the workforce crisis, because if you meet people on the front line of health care, they're very creative. they've got the solutions, they know where the problems are . there's huge problems are. there's huge amounts of bureaucracy that shouldn't be there's shouldn't be there. there's a lack of technology sometimes for processes that could be automated . we're our automated. so we're getting our doctors nurses and doctors and nurses and pharmacists spend all their pharmacists to spend all their time form filling and not with the patients and their loved ones. >> and is that why the european cancer organisation is conducting this extensive survey , trying to find out more about the working conditions and then, i suppose, try and find an answer, a solution all of this. >> yeah, we're doing this survey across europe. and what we found in the uk is that 55% of cancer professionals say that their

work is endless. i mean, that kind of burnout that we're seeing from cancer professionals, of course, a lot of it was during covid that it started. people have left the profession and then the ones left in the profession have got more work to do. >> andreas, is there a concern then about getting i mean, obviously you're trying to get hold of money, as mike was saying, from from outside the health sector , but is there health sector, but is there a does that raise a concern? because in a way, that's not how you want to fund a system necessarily, is it? especially in the uk, it's all meant to be covered. so the idea of having to get outside companies to fund and continually fund this sort of care is, is a concern, isn't it? as necessary as it may be, i don't i don't think that it's concern. >> but the thing and what this , >> but the thing and what this, workforce fund is going or trying to do is not to to, replace the health care system.

it's here to provide a different things that the health care systems are doing in the uk. and across europe. we're here, as mike already said , to fund those mike already said, to fund those initiatives that can, provide solutions to the problem, to the crisis solutions that are coming from the health care professionals who have an insider view of the actual problem. so we're not to here replace, but we are here to complement and make, care more comprehensive. >> how i mean, how frustrating is it that, as you say , people is it that, as you say, people working within the sector and with particularly within oncology have all this sort of wealth of information and it would get we get the impression then that they're not being listened to. they're not able to put that that knowledge to real use or to the right use. well that that is true. >> i mean, we haven't come to

the workforce crisis overnight. i mean, we could have seen this problem manifesting itself at least a decade ago. and i would say that poor action in the process has resulted in the numbers that we're looking at today. of course, covid computed contributed to it as well. but as you said, we have to be listening to our workforce much more, and we have to give them the right tools so that their voices are raised and heard . voices are raised and heard. >> mike, how important are conversations like this ? conversations like this? conversations about the workforce fund events like tonight in terms of this being a global cause? because if you think about it, there's probably hardly a person in this world whose life hasn't been touched by cancer. >> yeah. and can you imagine if you are and your treatment gets delayed because isn't delayed because there isn't a pathologist available, there isn't nurse available. we isn't a nurse available. and we all that waiting with all know that waiting with cancer is not is not great. so i

think that that's an added part of the urgency of this crisis with cancer, this workforce crisis is affecting the whole of health care. but delays on cancer are so critical that we need to do something about it . need to do something about it. and to steven's point earlier, we'll be funding pilots of projects that would never get funded within the health care system to prove that the ideas of doctors, nurses and pharmacists on the ground work and can be rolled out more widely. >> well, let's hope it has the impact that you want. mike morrissey, professor haralambos, good to see you both this morning. thanks very much. >> thanks having us. thank >> thanks for having us. thank you, both of you. >> you say, everyone's >> as you say, everyone's affected cancer way or affected by cancer one way or another days. another these days. >> it's need isn't it? >> it's urgent. need isn't it? so let's hope something can be done. those professionals done. and those professionals can we listen to because they know don't they? know best, don't they? >> they do, they do. all right. >> shall we see what the weather's going to do? it was miserable driving in this morning. i hope days are morning. i hope the days are going improve. let's get the going to improve. let's get the details going to improve. let's get the detailbrighter outlook with boxt

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come on, does someone think it's solid? yeah. is that what it is? i can't hear it here very much. it's just like a post. >> i don't know, i don't know, but why do you talk to a wall? >> i know, some of life's >> i don't know, some of life's great unanswered mysteries is, one of which arsenal being one of which is arsenal being top of the league. yeah. the thing is, i did i've had a lot of flak , shall we say, on social of flak, shall we say, on social media. i know this amazes you already that anybody would complain about anything i said, but quite a lot of arsenal fans have my case, he have been on my case, saying he never seems mention arsenal never seems to mention arsenal too much when they win. >> which is a bitter , >> no, which is a bitter, completely unfair. >> so arsenal two luton nil anyway, man city played aston villa well done arsenal well villa so well done arsenal well done.is villa so well done arsenal well done. is he only like they go to the top of the premier league for 24 hours at the moment, yes. yeah yeah. >> oh good on him. >> oh good on him. >> yeah. good for them. so it was luton. they were completely in control . there was no in control. there was no problem. so there we are. okay manchester city are hot on their

heels at the moment though, this is the time of the season when manchester city then push on. it's always around this time as they head towards the end of the season, but there's been a few wobbles, but there certainly was no wobbles against aston villa yesterday. they won four one. phil foden 23 year old phil foden scored . foden scored. >> he's got the hair. >> he's got the hair. >> yeah he has. on >> he's got the hair. >> yeah he has. oh yeah. you don't like his hair do you. yeah, it's very lego i know. >> don't because we had his, we had his hairdresser in on this very really the one very show. really the one who does the stripes and the. oh really. yeah. >> and you say. >> and did you say. >> and did you say. >> it was fantastic. >> i said it was fantastic. >> i said it was fantastic. >> yes. and they said >> yes. and then they said i could that for you and you go could do that for you and you go another time. >> if i was 20 years younger, i would. there you go. >> so anyway, because of course he's he won't make you 43, he's 23, he won't make you 43, 43. that's exactly right 43. yeah. that's exactly right isn't yes so phil foden then isn't it. yes so phil foden then scored his fourth hat trick. and there's a list actually , the there's a list actually, the most hat tricks under the age of 24 in the premier league. and i'm going to ask you this. who

do you think is on the list? there's one, two, three, four great strikers. so i don't want to put you on the spot here. ellie, who would you go for? >> well, as a spurs fan it's got to be harry kane up there. >> good. harry kane is one scored six hat tricks under the yes. very good six. >> yeah. what about robbie fowler. >> no no. yes. you're absolutely correct robbie fowler has scored more than anybody else seven very good. on more than anybody else seven very good. oh thank you. very good indeed. so there's two others. think man city as well at the moment. >> who's the young one in man city at the moment. >> are you thinking erling haaland. >> that's the one. the tall one. >> that's the one. the tall one. >> very good. tall one is >> very good. the tall one is right. yeah. erling haaland and the other one i don't know the other one is i don't know young very young. made his name playing for england liverpool player as well at the time michael owen really they were the they were the only and myself as well was the other one. yeah. so under the age of 24 more hat tricks than anybody else. and phil foden was

magnificent yesterday. so man city four, aston villa nil in the brentford brighton game by the brentford brighton game by the way. very well you'd the way. very dull. well you'd think so . but the way. very dull. well you'd think so. but the thing the way. very dull. well you'd think so . but the thing that the way. very dull. well you'd think so. but the thing that did make very interesting was make it very interesting was a refereeing decision. because usually you get a situation when a referee is sent over to the screen. so var would intervene and they go, go and have a look at this on the screen, which usually means that the person sitting in the box is said to the referee. have look at the referee. have a look at this. there's going to be something but andy something overturned. but andy madley called to look at. it madley was called to look at. it was, weiser on lewis dunk was, johan weiser on lewis dunk had him the box. so had fouled him in the box. so he's he's going to have a look at this. but then madley looked at this. but then madley looked at the screen. so this is like pitchside and then realised there was another foul before that and said no i disagree. and that's very rare. that happens only second in only the second time in the premier league year. good only the second time in the prehim' league year. good only the second time in the prehim though. year. good on him though. >> you're by that i am >> you're astounded by that i am i'm just aren't i'm glad i'm just aren't you? i'm glad they're intimidated by they're not intimidated by that's whatever or that's that's it or whatever or that's it. >> because usually once they're told usually have it told then they usually have it goes told them, goes with whoever's told them, but against it. and

but he's going against it. and that decision . and that was the right decision. and both managers agreed as well. yeah. incredible. >> look ahead tonight. >> should we look ahead tonight. >> should we look ahead tonight. >> liverpool versus >> yeah liverpool versus sheffield . you can't i sheffield united. you can't i mean liverpool top mean liverpool will be top should they win sheffield united are bottom at the moment. you cannot see anything else than a liverpool win at anfield and chelsea. i mean this is going to be a ding dong. chelsea versus manchester united this tonight as well both in the premier league. >> that'll be good. we're at a time. can we talk skipping. do i do that now are we going to. do that now or are we going to. no i'll tell you what. let's do it now. >> it's so quick. it's the quickest thing you'll ever see. it's world it's the quickest thing. world skipping. times can skipping. how many times can someone 10s oh seconds someone skip in 10s oh seconds 20. >> no, 202 228. >> no, 202 228. >> look at this. look at this. this is unbelievable. and watch this person skipping. it's not. okay .

okay. >> that's unbelievable. on mega speed. >> let's look at that. honestly, i was like, you need a rope, though. >> that's what you're missing. >> that's what you're missing. >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> you're not gonna lay down after that as well? not that you could the 228 times. could see the rope 228 times. >> wow. >> wow. >> that's fantastic. >> that's fantastic. >> amazing. >> amazing. >> how you said 20. >> i love how you said 20. >> i love how you said 20. >> you 20. >> you said 20. >> you said 20. >> that would been >> that would have been impressive if i wanted to be able to do it. >> i get two and then i get my feet i could never feet caught. i just could never do you thought they had do because you thought they had to sing a nursery rhyme as they were doing it. >> was taking it like this, >> i was taking it like this, like one, two, three. i thought it a good pace, but that's rubbish. >> we'll look that again >> we'll look at that again later i love that. later on. i love that. >> that's their right. >> that's their right. >> off. okay. thanks. thanks >> get off. okay. thanks. thanks a all right. >> all right. >> all right. >> got the papers heading >> we've got the papers heading your a moment with your way in just a moment with andy williams

it's 8:00. no it's not. it's

641. it's going very, very well. let's have a look at some of the newspapers for you this morning. the eye has gaza plunged into a new aid crisis. it comes as those seven aid workers were killed by israeli airstrikes on monday . monday. >> the express leads with rishi sunak saying he will leave the echr. >> the mail has about a dozen mps being targeted, with a sinister cyber honeytrap . sinister cyber honeytrap. >> the times leads with the dementia breakthrough as blood tests may detect alzheimer's years earlier. >> and the mirror has a gang that ran an international dogfighting ring in the garage of a couple's village home, smashed , thankfully. disgusting. smashed, thankfully. disgusting. that sort of thing . that sort of thing. >> well, joining us to go through what's making the news this morning is political commentator andy williams and former chair suzanne former ukip deputy chair suzanne evans. very good to see you both this morning. morning. morning,

andy. let's start with you, shall we? the front page of the eye this morning. gaza. now in an aid crisis, these aid charities , many of them are charities, many of them are pulling out now after what happened those seven aid happened to those seven aid workers. yeah. >> we're almost six >> i mean, we're almost six months from the horrific 7th months on from the horrific 7th of october attacks. and i think the aid workers who were the seven aid workers who were killed seem to have united the international community in condemnation of the way that israel is behaving increasingly recklessly, frankly , you know, recklessly, frankly, you know, it's not acceptable for a democratic government to be going around just, killing people left, right and centre aid workers, you know , whether aid workers, you know, whether it was by accident or not. it's totally reckless. and it is causing further problems around the poverty and the chaos in the region. now, aid workers, understandably, are now worried that it's unsafe to be taking aid into gaza. and that's just perpetuating the crisis. >> there was always it unsafe to take aid into gaza, wasn't it?

>> yeah, absolutely. but i mean, it's probably never been less safe. i mean, it really it really is. you have to be an extremely brave person and commend everybody who's out there taking vital aid in, because the situation is getting worse and worse. we're hearing horrific stories about , refugees horrific stories about, refugees eating animal food, malnutrition being rife. i mean, it's just really heartbreaking. >> i think questions are being asked, isn't it? because as steps were taken in order to protect these aid workers, it's thought that these cars had logos on, on the roofs of these vehicles that clearly stated they were from an aid agency. and they say that they had planned that route with the idf. so the idf knew exactly where they'd be at a certain time. well, the israeli defence force has, course, apologised. has, of course, apologised. >> by standards, this is >> and by any standards, this is an absolutely tragedy. an absolutely appalling tragedy. and clearly there's an investigation in investigation undergoing in israel. and let's see what happens to that. but i think what concerns me is that this is being used to fuel new calls for an arms ban to israel, and that

really worries me. i mean, have we really forgotten the atrocities of october the 7th? so very quickly, have we really forgotten that there are still 99 hostages being held by hamas? those are the ones that are alive. know. think there are alive. we know. think there are at least 35 that they're at least 35 bodies that they're sitting as well. you know, sitting on as well. you know, this a ceasefire this this call for a ceasefire is just playing into is actually just playing into hamas's hands, except and, you know , i, you know, really know, i, you know, really i would agree with you , because i would agree with you, because i always thought, you know what? >> what reaction did anyone did hamas expect following , hamas expect following, following that atrocious crime on the 7th of october? the question is now forming , though, question is now forming, though, andifs question is now forming, though, and it's forming within israel itself as to whether this has been handled correctly, whether netanyahu has done the right thing, whether there is a proper strategy in place here, whether, frankly, they have just gone too far . far. >> well, there's certainly true, i think netanyahu's popularity in israel itself is kind of on the wane now. but the fact is, as i said, you've still got

hostages there. if hamas were to release the hostages and say, right, we're going to go into we want a proper diplomatic solution to this, then the war would end tomorrow. it would end today hamas down their today if hamas put down their weapons suggested weapons and suggested that now. but they're never but the fact is, they're never going they're still going to do that. they're still committed wiping israel off committed to wiping israel off the face of the planet. and as long hamas still has that long as hamas still has that goal long as hamas still has that goal, afraid not goal, i'm afraid there's not going to an end this going to be an end to this conflict. going to be an end to this conand condemn that. >> and we condemn that. absolutely. so. there is >> and we condemn that. aiquestion so. there is >> and we condemn that. aiquestion now, so. there is >> and we condemn that. aiquestion now, though, here is >> and we condemn that. aiquestion now, though, ase is >> and we condemn that. aiquestion now, though, as tos a question now, though, as to whether there are some within israel, in the hierarchy in israel, in the hierarchy in israel, who are now just determined to wipe out gazans off the face of the planet. well, that's not their stated objective. >> obviously want to end >> they obviously want to end hamas and i think, you know, the other thing i think it's other thing i think is it's a very difficult position for the other thing i think is it's a verywe'vejlt position for the other thing i think is it's a verywe've obviously] for the other thing i think is it's a verywe've obviously had the other thing i think is it's a verywe've obviously had rishi uk. we've obviously had rishi sunak david cameron coming sunak and david cameron coming out quite rightly and very strongly this tragedy of strongly against this tragedy of the been the aid workers that have been killed. if britain, killed. but i think if britain, as a country and starts to starts to criticise israel, ally and stop sending weapons out

there, then i think that sends a very dangerous message. this is the only democracy in the middle east. they are allies of ours. i think we do need to support israel against the terrorist threat, not least because if we don't, it inflames and enables the islamist forces worldwide across the middle east, terrorists in every country , terrorists in every country, it's basically sends a message that, you know, we're going to bow down to you, we're going to give up, and that makes our own security here in britain a lot less secure. >> yeah. and, suzanne, i don't disagree with you broadly, but i do have to ask the do think we have to ask the question, how far does this need to go we do need to take to go before we do need to take a hard line, a tougher line on the way that israel and the netanyahu government are behaving. 30,000 netanyahu government are behaving mostly 30,000 netanyahu government are behavingmostly innocent 000 netanyahu government are behavingmostly innocent gazans, gazans, mostly innocent gazans, killed . now, i think there is an killed. now, i think there is an irony, actually, that it's taken only seven aid workers being killed to kind of raise this further up the agenda. but there has to be allies on its front. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> isn't it? absolutely. and that's what jack straw, the

former foreign secretary, has been saying this morning. >> has >> bottom line, israel has apologised it's apologised for this. it's recognised committed recognised it's committed an atrocity, war atrocity, potentially a war crime. and has apologised. crime. and it has apologised. and an investigation. and there is an investigation. when hamas apologise and there is an investigation. wh anythingimas apologise and there is an investigation. wh anything oras apologise and there is an investigation. wh anything or launch apologise for anything or launch an investigation terrorist investigation into its terrorist attacks ? attacks? >> p- e does have p— e does have to be a >> but there does have to be a line somewhere. and the question is that line? is where is that line? >> well, i think line is >> well, i think the line is very often asked of israel. that line is not being asked by the same want arms same people that want the arms ban ceasefire of hamas. same people that want the arms ban that's ceasefire of hamas. same people that want the arms ban that's myeasefire of hamas. same people that want the arms ban that's my argument. hamas. and that's my argument. >> okay, let's have a look at the and it's in the the mail. and it's in the express as well. a lot of the papers, actually, this morning, the prime minister could the prime minister if you could maybe finally threatening to maybe say finally threatening to leave the european court of human rights. >> yeah, he's basically saying that he'll leave the treaty if it blocks to rwanda , it blocks flights to rwanda, which, we're still which, of course, we're still going the houses going through the houses of parliament of parliament in terms of the rwanda bill and the safety of rwanda bill and the safety of rwanda bill, we're nearly there. it's stages. but it's in its final stages. but what's happen? who what's going to happen? who knows? when comes knows? let's see, when it comes to the vote guarantee, the echr would it. i think would block it. i think guarantee probably will. so guarantee echr probably will. so then come the question.

then we come to the question. well, is rishi sunak well, this is what rishi sunak is he really is saying, but does he really have courage of his have the courage of his convictions do this? and i convictions to do this? and i think that's very much open to doubt. look at the way rishi doubt. you look at the way rishi sunak behaved since he sunak has behaved since he become became prime minister. he's been one of those he's very much been one of those kind of liberal, one nation tories , rather than on being on tories, rather than on being on the of the party and the right of the party and supporting the right of the party. he sacked suella braverman. a minister braverman. he's had a minister leave because he's not doing he's taken a tough line on he's not taken a tough line on immigration. heard people immigration. we've heard people like jenrick, former like robert jenrick, the former immigration minister, and former home suella braverman, home secretary suella braverman, saying, just not saying, look, he's just not interested this issue. he interested in this issue. he doesn't to to us about doesn't want to talk to us about immigration. really, rishi, immigration. so really, rishi, really, rishi, are you really going do this? think, you going to do this? i think, you know, potentially he could make it election issue , i it an election issue, but i don't he's really the don't think he's really got the courage of convictions to courage of his convictions to leave echr personally. leave the echr personally. >> you could say is so >> but you could say he is so determined to get these flights off ground that he is off the ground that he is willing leave the echr, or at willing to leave the echr, or at least saying least he's saying he is. >> i don't think he is willing to the echr. i don't think to leave the echr. i don't think he has the balls to do that , if

he has the balls to do that, if i can say that this time in the morning, he puts rather more firmly but firmly than i did andrew, but i but really don't think he does but i really don't think he does . but i actually don't think he should. i think we're in the echr for reason, which is echr for good reason, which is that should be taking a that britain should be taking a position of moral leadership on the stage , and the echr is the world stage, and the echr is in place prevent inhumane in place to prevent inhumane treatment of people. and this, in some cases would amount to that. you know, the problem with the rwanda policy, apart from the rwanda policy, apart from the fact that it's exorbitantly expensive , apart from the fact expensive, apart from the fact that it's actually achieved nothing so far, is that there will be refugees who are genuinely at risk of harm, who've entered the uk , who could who've entered the uk, who could be sent to rwanda, which we have unilaterally declared a safe country. >> haaland suzanne . >> haaland suzanne. >> haaland suzanne. >> well, i just think, you know, you're talking about safety again. what about the safety of people in this country? we know that terrorists have come over on those boats. we know they've committed atrocities. when they're know that they're here. we know that unless done about

unless something is done about it, still to come it, they're still going to come from the from france, which is a safe country where are at safe country where they are at no of harm, you've got to no risk of harm, you've got to do something i might agree do something now, i might agree that the rwanda scheme not that the rwanda scheme is not the best but the the best scheme, but it's the scheme table, and scheme that's on the table, and it's scheme that's hopefully it's the scheme that's hopefully going happen. going to happen. >> what are the other >> yes, but what are the other consequences of leaving the echr? >> well, there are and >> well, there are others and i must admit, i share some of those worries. after all, we helped to the echr. it's helped to write the echr. it's something that i think is in our in blood and our bones. if in our blood and our bones. if you that sense. and you like, in that sense. and you've to have system you've got to have some system of human rights. but the fact is, every other country in the world, that. is, every other country in the wor|wouldn't that. is, every other country in the wor|wouldn't this, that. is, every other country in the wor|wouldn't this, for1at. you wouldn't have this, for instance, japan, which not instance, in japan, which is not instance, in japan, which is not in the echr in japan, somebody enters the country illegally. they're isn't. they're sent home. there isn't. you trying to you don't have people trying to prevent talking about, oh, prevent it. talking about, oh, japan's a racist country because they let every illegal they won't let every illegal immigrant i mean, let's get immigrant in. i mean, let's get real this . there is real about this. there is a massive problem with these small boats, a massive problem , and boats, a massive problem, and something has got to be done about it. and if that means leaving the echr and putting in

our own independent bill of human rights, then i don't have a problem with that. >> but what does that independent bill of human rights? i don't understand that. >> don't to parliament >> we don't know to parliament to decided. i suspect it to be decided. i suspect it would look like the echr. would look very like the echr. >> you want to leave the echr >> if you want to leave the echr and that a bill of and you accept that a bill of human rights some kind is human rights of some kind is important, have to an important, you have to put an alternative proposal the alternative proposal on the table. just say, we'll table. you can't just say, we'll leave work out leave and we'll work it out later, as human rights is later, as if human rights is some third or fourth order concern. some third or fourth order conand. wouldn't be how it >> and that wouldn't be how it worked. there would be. i'm sure there be alternative in there would be an alternative in place and as i place before we left. and as i say, could potentially be say, this could potentially be an election issue that could be done quickly. an done very quickly. an alternative could be put forward very could, in very quickly. rishi could, in theory, have a snap election precisely on this issue. i don't think he will. we both agree going to. >> yes. yes. »- >> yes. yes. >> some good news is >> andy, some good news is a potential dementia breakthrough. this on the front page of the times this morning. yeah. >> this could be a huge breakthrough. so it's the introduction cheap, introduction of cheap, simple, easy tests for people who easy to use tests for people who may have dementia. we know that

one of the major challenges with dementia is the shocking levels of diagnosis. it's incredibly low . more than of diagnosis. it's incredibly low. more than a third of of diagnosis. it's incredibly low . more than a third of people low. more than a third of people who are living with dementia don't know that they're living with dementia. so a really positive step forward here. >> well, it's difficult, isn't it, because at what point we don't most of us don't understand dementia because it's different. it's differentiating it between, you know, alzheimer's, dementia and just getting older. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i've been told by my daughter that i've got more signs of dementia than my her grandmother . but i said, yeah, i've always been like that. i've got a terrible memory. so i don't know where it starts and ends. but, you know, this is good news. a friend of mine has just been diagnosed with early onset dementia. very sad. she's younger and for years younger than me, and for years she told it was menopause she was told it was menopause symptoms. which i was told symptoms. that which i was told as actually, when i had as well. actually, when i had some memory problems, it some some memory problems, it was but yeah, was was resolved. but yeah, she was told was menopause. she's told it was was menopause. she's been through terrible anxiety and consequence.

and depression as a consequence. she's got the diagnosis. she's now got the diagnosis. she's now got the diagnosis. she's been put on drugs. they have been working miracles. really a fantastic story . so the really a fantastic story. so the fact that this is potentially going to mean that more people are going to be in her shoes and are going to be in her shoes and are going to be in her shoes and are going to be diagnosed and actually get treatment early enough to make difference. enough to make a difference. >> fantastic diagnosis >> that's fantastic diagnosis is one treatment, is >> it's treatment, which is obviously to follow obviously they've got to follow on that. but if if on from that. but if that if that happens, then brilliant . that happens, then brilliant. very welcome, should we have a look excalibur ? look at excalibur? >> yes. excalibur. >> yes. excalibur. >> the searching for excalibur. >> the searching for excalibur. >> well, really, this did make me laugh this morning. yeah it's a team of filmmakers, magnet fishers, whatever they are, i'm not quite sure what they are. tech experts and divers are embarking on this to find embarking on this quest to find the legendary sword excalibur. well, now, and you can well, i predict now, and you can quote me on this. it ain't going to end well because let's face it, king arthur didn't exist, did and excalibur didn't did he? and so excalibur didn't exist. i there might be exist. i know there might be some about this, but when some debate about this, but when you look the legends, they you look at the legends, they just make sense. you know, just don't make sense. you know, you've got living in the

you've got him living in the fifth apparently fifth century, but apparently in other carrying other stories, he was carrying christ's mean, what you christ's cross. i mean, what you know, not load of nonsense. know, it's not load of nonsense. >> same story as someone from winchester. >> defend the truth of >> i have to defend the truth of king arthur. there's a lovely statue the bottom the. statue at the bottom of the. >> that means it must be >> oh, that means it must be real, then. yeah, absolutely. >> oh, i agree completely. >> the problem is, unless the sword is actually magic, if it's beenin sword is actually magic, if it's been in the bottom of a lake, which they sort of think it won't be there anymore, it. >> it's going to be very >> well, it's going to be very rusty, i mean, i don't rusty, isn't it? i mean, i don't know. rusty, isn't it? i mean, i don't knoi'. know rusty, isn't it? i mean, i don't kno i i. know what rusty, isn't it? i mean, i don't knoi'. know what i hope it's >> i don't know what i hope it's not long it takes a sword to not how long it takes a sword to disintegrate, but. yeah, yeah , i disintegrate, but. yeah, yeah, i don't, don't know how good don't, i don't know how good luck it playing. luck with it playing. >> be like the >> it's going to be like the search the hayley holy search for the hayley holy grail. going to. ain't grail. it ain't going to. ain't going be found. going to be found. >> there's still plenty of >> well, there's still plenty of people searching holy people searching for the holy grail. are. and good luck grail. there are. and good luck to them. >> they say it might be in the lake district. >> really? get there? >> really? how did it get there? >> really? how did it get there? >> yeah i don't was that brought over of arimathea or something? >> it's something like that, yes, in your back garden. >> well, no, that would be garden. but it is one of those

things that people, a lot of people it is the lake people think it is in the lake district, and there's still people away for it. people searching away for it. that'd be quite something. >> across that. >> yeah, yeah. there you go. okay. right. thank both very okay. right. thank you both very much we'll see you much indeed. we'll see you a little bit later on. >> let's get the weather now with alex. >> brighter with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar for sponsors weather on solar for sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you . welcome to your latest gb you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some heavy rain in the south at first this morning, but that's clearing to leave quite clearing away to leave quite a few showers of us. but few showers for many of us. but do take care in the southeast. could be some thundery downpours for before that clears for a time before that clears away. then a scattering away. and then yes, a scattering of showers many places, away. and then yes, a scattering of shc most many places, away. and then yes, a scattering of shc most frequentany places, these most frequent across england but there england and wales. but there should be some decent bright sunny spells in between the showers these sunny showers and in these sunny breaks. pleasantly warm breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures reaching highs of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places staying in single digits, perhaps just about getting into

double figures across western parts more wet parts of scotland. more wet weather to come as we go through the end of the day and overnight swathes of rain pushing up from the southwest. this could be pretty bit pretty heavy and a bit persistent a pretty persistent at times, so a pretty wet night for most of and wet night for most of us and some hill snow perhaps dropping to lower levels for to slightly lower levels for a time, as across parts of scotland across the far north of scotland across the far north of scotland may be a touch of scotland there may be a touch of frost here. otherwise staying pretty of the pretty mild because of the cloudy, and blustery cloudy, wet and blustery weather. we do have some further blustery weather to come as we go through friday. it is going to be a wet story across much of scotland, but the rain gradually edging its way northwards we edging its way northwards as we go taking go through the day, taking the hill it. otherwise hill snow with it. otherwise outbreaks showery rain, which outbreaks of showery rain, which are be heaviest and are likely to be heaviest and most frequent parts of most frequent across parts of scotland ireland scotland and northern ireland towards england and towards much of england and wales, largely dry and wales, actually largely dry and we going see our we are going to see our temperatures rising to 17 or 18 by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

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gb news. >> good morning to you. it's 7:00 on thursday, the 4th of april. today, the prime minister threatens to sever ties with the european court of human rights over his rwanda plans. >> us rishi sunak is determined to get people on flights to rwanda. two years after the scheme was first announced. he's heavily hinting now if that means pulling out of the echr, that's what he's going to do. >> a labour landslide a new poll reveals tories could suffer the worst election defeat on record, with sir keir starmer's party predicted to win 400 seats. >> new guidelines reveal judges should consider more lenient sentencing for criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds amid

concerns it would create a divide with the middle classes as the world central kitchen founder claims that israeli forces targeted his aid workers systematically as former top judges say arming israel breaches international law . breaches international law. >> be sincere, be happy for them. be sincere. be happy for them. be sincere. be happy for them. arsenal are back on top of them. arsenal are back on top of the premier league for at least 24 hours after beating luton. luis rubiales is in more trouble and rory mcilroy is getting a little help on his swing for the masters next week. >> morning. watch out for some heavy , possibly thundery heavy, possibly thundery downpours in the southeast first thing this morning. otherwise there'll be a few showers around and feeling pleasantly warm in any sunny i'll any bright or sunny spells. i'll have the later . have the forecast later. >> to you. i'm >> good morning to you. i'm stephen dixon and i'm ellie costello, and this is breakfast on . gb news. on

on. gb news. on that sentencing guideline thing . guideline thing. >> oh, yeah. it's got you all going this morning. >> yeah. anthony's been in touch. he says sorry. doesn't matter what your background is. everybody knows. right from wrong. >> robert agrees, saying, what a load rubbish. it seems people load of rubbish. it seems people are looking for excuse are always looking for an excuse for their life choices. for their poor life choices. i was and brought up with was born and brought up with both parents unemployed. tried both parents unemployed. i tried really school, but only really hard at school, but only attained reasonable results. >> as long as you achieve the best you are capable of, that's all that matters . i best you are capable of, that's all that matters. i think that's all that matters. i think that's all anyone can ask. not everyone going to be a brainbox and is going to be a brainbox and not everyone's going to be good at you know, the physical stuff. i think we look we look too down much now on people who do what you call blue collar jobs . you would call blue collar jobs. you i mean, my cousin's you know, i mean, my cousin's a carpenter . what a great job. carpenter. what a great job. >> yeah, and you need them . my >> yeah, and you need them. my goodness, what a fantastic skill. >> those people who go and get an apprentice apprenticeship and learn a trade . and then you set learn a trade. and then you set for life with that trade. yeah,

it's a fantastic thing. >> and you're always be needed. >> and you're always be needed. >> you'll always be needed. whereas i'm rubbish at stuff like that i mean it just isn't my i was about just thinking how would you changing a light would you be changing a light bulb things like that. oh no bulb and things like that. oh no i'm all right. >> you do that. >> oh you could do that. >> oh you could do that. >> i'm all right with the bafics >> i'm all right with the basics. i've put that basics. i've put anything that involves a level of skill. just, you know, i'm just lacking in that. not my that. it's just not what my brain made brain was made for. >> i can't do either , and >> i can't do that either, and so you're relying on people who can, and. but should be can, and. but that should be treasured valued and treasured and valued and appreciated. were, appreciated. all my family were, were, of, traders in were, were sort of, traders in that sense, all the they all had a trade and they worked in the shipyard and were farmers or my two sides of the family. one was farming and one was shipyard in barrow. so, you know , they all barrow. so, you know, they all had skills, they all had a trade. they all had to be applauded. >> it's a discipline as well, isn't it? >> i just hate the that we >> i just hate the fact that we look on it. it's crazy , look down on it. it's crazy, archie on that says i have never had much money, but i've never done anything wrong. i was

brought up know the brought up to know the difference between right and wrong. 68 august. wrong. i'll be 68 in august. just because you were poor, it's no excuse for criminality. >> yeah, well , it's true, it's >> yeah, well, it's true, it's true. we're going to be talking about a little later on in about that a little later on in the show this morning. we'll start off politics, though . start off with politics, though. let us what you think about let us know what you think about this well. the prime this one as well. the prime minister that he will minister suggesting that he will pull of european court pull out of the european court of human rights if it stands in the way of the rwanda plan. >> yes. rishi said that >> yes. rishi sunak said that controlling immigration controlling illegal immigration is than the is more important than the membership of the legal body, and he would not let a foreign court interfere in sovereign affairs. >> let's talk to our political correspondent, katherine forster, who's in westminster for us this morning, it's an interesting one because half the conservative party will applaud him on this, and half of them won't be quite so sure. >> yes. the conservative party is divided about many things at the moment, staying in or withdrawing from the echr being

one of them. people like the former home secretary suella braverman, very clear that we need to pull out of the echr to get these flights off to rwanda. but there's dozens and dozens of conservative mps on the more moderate wing , the one nation, moderate wing, the one nation, as, who would be absolutely horrified . and people within the horrified. and people within the cabinet who might consider that a resigning issue. so rishi sunak is, of course, desperate to get people on flights to rwanda. it's over two years now since the then home secretary, priti patel, the then prime minister, boris johnson , minister, boris johnson, announced this scheme, which was supposed to be if you cross the channel illegally, you will be sent on a one way ticket to wanda. the thinking was then people would very quickly decide that it was better to stay in france and not make that journey. now they it's going through parliament, this safety of rwanda bill, because it's been blocked in the european courts. worth saying. it's been

blocked by british courts too. if they can't get people on flights, if once it's gone through parliament it's blocked in europe again, he is suggesting that. yes, he'll be looking to pull out of the each echr that would involve potentially a pledge in the manifesto going to the polls the next election, with that being a key pledge , it will bring plenty key pledge, it will bring plenty of voters on board, but it might turn others right off. >> okay, catherine, thanks very much indeed . much indeed. >> well, let's go now to the shadow business secretary, jonathan reynolds. good to see you this morning, mr reynolds . you this morning, mr reynolds. we're talking there about the echr rishi sunak. so desperate to get flights off the ground to rwanda that he says he'd be willing to leave the european court of human rights. is that something that the labour party would support? and if it doesn't, how do you intend to tackle illegal immigration? >> well, good morning quite simply, no, this is just another

gimmick from the prime minister. i mean, to state the obvious, it was a british court which ruled the original rwanda proposals. as being illegal. so there'd be no benefit from doing so. and you see, with the entire approach to illegal immigration from this government, one gimmick after another. and i think the british people see through it. i think they're sick of those. i mean, just take rwanda in itself. imagine it was happening right now. we've seen over the bank holiday weekend double people double the number of people crossing the channel, that the entire capacity of the rwanda scheme would cover, which we've paid half £1 billion for. so no, we are sick of the gimmicks. there is only one way to tackle illegal immigration, and it's not hundreds millions illegal immigration, and it's nopounds hundreds millions illegal immigration, and it's no pounds on undreds millions illegal immigration, and it's no pounds on a1dreds millions illegal immigration, and it's no pounds on a scheme millions illegal immigration, and it's no pounds on a scheme like lions of pounds on a scheme like rwanda. it through processing rwanda. it is through processing those fairly and those claims fairly and efficiently, removing people from the country who shouldn't be spending millions be here, not spending millions of a day on hotel places of pounds a day on hotel places because haven't been able to because you haven't been able to process the system as it should do. of course, tackling the do. and of course, tackling the illegality around it. whilst

there endless gimmicks there are these endless gimmicks being by the being proposed by the government, will happen government, nothing will happen on the scale that it needs to happen to tackle a serious problem. >> but everything you outlined there, doesn't there, mr reynolds, doesn't actually problem , does actually solve the problem, does it? i mean, you're quite right. we need to process it all a lot faster. you say send people back who fail . well, that's who fail. well, that's problematic at the moment. the returns agreements aren't in place for a lot of that. and there is also on top of that whole thing, an argument that says, well, if people are going to come here illegally and then be processed quickly and a percentage of them allowed to stay, that's just going to stay, well, that's just going to attract people to come attract more people to come across channel small boats. >> well, look on your on your second point, i've got to say, i think the inefficiency of the system we have at the minute in the uk, the slowness of it, i think that is in itself an attractive pull to people to the uk, there's a sense we uk, because there's a sense we just don't this problem just don't tackle this problem adequately therefore people adequately and therefore people believe be some kind believe there'll be some kind of grey where times they'll grey area where at times they'll they'll through system grey area where at times they'll they do through system grey area where at times they'll they do it. through system grey area where at times they'll they do it.tr don't system grey area where at times they'll they do it. tr don't believe tem

grey area where at times they'll theydo it.trdon't believe an| and do it. i don't believe an efficient is in itself efficient system is in itself something which is going to attract to uk, but attract people to the uk, but there only one way to tackle there is only one way to tackle this, and it is through seriously, incompetently addressing that addressing the problem that when people to be in the uk, people do apply to be in the uk, you've got to determine quickly do they have the right to do so? in which case, yes, integrate them into british society if them into british society and if they to be they don't, they've got to be removed. think absence of removed. i think the absence of that, look , what we're that, i mean, look, what we're talking here is some talking about here is not some kind of formula. it is kind of magic formula. it is a home office that can process these claims. frankly, anything like just a decade like it was doing just a decade or years it can't be or 15 years ago, it can't be seen as something the british state can't adequately do, because done it adequately because we've done it adequately in the past. and yes, there will always be people coming. there will always be the need at times to don't have to say, look, people don't have a be here. they can't a right to be here. they can't stay. but given how stretched pubuc stay. but given how stretched public in the uk to public services are in the uk to be spending hundreds of millions of a scheme like of pounds on a scheme like rwanda, which has nothing rwanda, which has done nothing so far, do even if so far, will do nothing even if it performing. bear in mind it is performing. bear in mind this is supposed to be a deterrent. i mean, if anyone is of the belief that is the case,

why isn't that deterrent working already? the evidence already? i mean, the evidence tells it clearly isn't, tells us that it clearly isn't, i'm look we've been i'm afraid. look we've been talking about diplomatic talking about the diplomatic fallout israeli missile fallout of the israeli missile strike in which seven strike on monday in which seven people killed, including people were killed, including three british aid workers. people were killed, including threand itish aid workers. people were killed, including threand there'sj workers. people were killed, including threand there's been (ers. people were killed, including threand there's been talks in the >> and there's been talks in the foreign office since about potentially limiting intelligence sharing with israel. and this morning, front page of the guardian , former page of the guardian, former supreme court judges are now adding voices to calls for adding their voices to calls for an israeli arms ban. if the labour party were to form a government, would you continue to support the israeli state? >> well, first of all, let me say everyone's thoughts and prayers are with the families of those british aid workers and everyone caught up in this unconscionable round of violence in middle i mean , i in the middle east. i mean, i have to break that question into into each of the parts israel was attacked on october 7th and of course, has the right to defend itself, but it must defend itself, but it must defend itself, but it must defend itself within international law. now, specifically on case of specifically on the case of british arms exports to israel . british arms exports to israel. the law of the uk is very, very

clear. if there is any possibility of anything exported from the uk being involved in a serious violation of humanitarian law, it cannot be exported from the uk. so the government will have had legal advice on that specific to the conflict in gaza. we've asked them to publish that legal advice . it would be, i think, a advice. it would be, i think, a reasonable step given what has happenedin reasonable step given what has happened in the last few days and what has happened over the last few months. to make clear the position and to make the legal position and to make sure government and sure the government itself and we complying with we are currently complying with uk but of course, what uk law. but of course, what really needs to happen more than anything is to return to anything else is to return to the end conflict , which the end of the conflict, which is a immediate ceasefire. the release those hostages an release of those hostages and an immediate humanitarian surge of aid into gaza. but before that happens, we clearly must be able to tell the british people we are currently complying with uk law as it stands, and the idea of the problem with an immediate ceasefire is the hostages , isn't it? >> and at what point do you turn around and say, yeah, a

ceasefire is great. hamas needs to release the hostages. if they wanted a ceasefire, they could generate one. today >> yes. i mean, the human suffering we are seeing, i think it is hard for anyone to witness that and not feel an immediate sense of frustration, of anger that we cannot bring those two warring parties to a ceasefire that would allow or facilitated by the release of those hostages. and look, i think we all feel that frustration because there's a sense of how can we immediately alleviate that human suffering and bring it to an end. i think the violence we have seen and the humanitarian situation in gaza has what has had to produce this call for an immediate ceasefire from all sides in the uk. call for an immediate ceasefire from all sides in the uk . and if from all sides in the uk. and if we have that, i can't promise you that hostages could be released. clearly, that is a material issue in achieving

that, but it has to be at the heart of a ceasefire, has to apply heart of a ceasefire, has to apply to both sides. to be frank, that has to be the case. but clearly what we are seeing at the minute and the level of human suffering, i think, makes an ceasefire priority. >> we've been talking this morning about the sentencing council look council advising judges to look at softer prison at softer terms, softer prison sentences for offenders from depnved sentences for offenders from deprived backgrounds. what do you make of that? does that sound fair? >> no, i don't think it does sound fair, to be honest. i think, just this means you have to apply that in a fair and consistent manner across the country. of course, there are, as ever, a whole range of things any judge would take into discretion when they are, when they are giving a sentence. but i wouldn't like to give the impression there should be some kind of differential judicial regime across the regime for people across the country. to be honest, country. i think, to be honest, again, criminal again, i look at the criminal justice and i i'm afraid justice system and i i'm afraid i see a mess. i mean, i see ijust see a mess. i mean, i see incredibly for court

incredibly long waits for court time. i see prisons that are full. it appears they spent a lot of the capital investment that should have been in new prison places on revenue. and frankly, surprisingly, most of all, actually all, there is actually a substantial allocation the substantial allocation in the government's accounts for new prison places, hasn't been prison places, which hasn't been spent. me, if you've got spent. so for me, if you've got the prison places and a judicial system working properly, you shouldn't to ask shouldn't be having to ask anyone to give anyone a lighter sentence to not put them into prison if that's the appropriate punishment for them, because you're about prison you're worried about the prison capacity. is an capacity. i think that is an issue here. but, you know, justice has to be applied fairly and consistently everyone and consistently to everyone across the uk. yeah. >> know whether the >> i don't know whether the sentencing council was introduced the beginning introduced at the beginning of the government the coalition government or at the coalition government or at the the last labour the end of the last labour government, but either which way the end of the last labour governritent, but either which way the end of the last labour governrit be but either which way the end of the last labour governrit be scrappedr which way the end of the last labour governrit be scrapped nowich way the end of the last labour governrit be scrapped now look, |y should it be scrapped now look, to be honest, i think it plays. a role. >> i'm not sure what the argument would be for replacing it, entirely, but, to be frank, what role can it play to the full of its potential effect if

there aren't enough prison places? and if we've seen the lord having lord chancellor having to instruct judicial system . instruct the judicial system. not to put people who should be going to prison in prison because there aren't enough places, i think that at the heart is at the frustration of what needs be fixed in the what needs to be fixed in the criminal justice system. as criminal justice system. and as i one area where the i say, it is one area where the government actually government has actually allocated it, but allocated money to it, but it hasn't round spending it hasn't got round to spending it on the places we need. on the places that we need. >> jonathan reynolds, as >> okay. jonathan reynolds, as always, to you. always, good to talk to you. thank indeed. thank you very much indeed. >> and an outrage >> to gaza now. and an outrage continues an continues worldwide after an israeli killed aid israeli strike killed seven aid workers founder workers on monday, the founder of central kitchen has of world central kitchen has accused forces in gaza accused israeli forces in gaza of targeting of systematically targeting his aid car . aid workers car by car. >> 17 members between the special speciality security people. we have three british individuals . and three three, individuals. and three three, three international crew, plus one palestinian that they were targeted systematically car by car . car. >> well, israel has apologised ,

>> well, israel has apologised, saying it was a grave mistake and unintentional . is that going and unintentional. is that going to be enough though? >> well, joining us now to discuss this in more detail is the editor of jewish the foreign editor of jewish news, confino. good to see news, yotam confino. good to see you this morning, yotam and questions are being asked, aren't they. because israel, as we just heard, says this strike was a grave mistake. but. the world central kitchen founder says this was a systematic strike by israel . strike by israel. >> yeah, the truth probably lies in between what israel is saying and what the world central kitchen is saying. there's no doubt this is intolerable, doubt that this is intolerable, inexcusable . and very inexcusable. and very unprofessional by an army to allow this to happen. now, whether this was systematic and deliberate, actually going after these aid workers, i think that remains to be seen. until the israel can really, present some of its investigation fully to the world. but it makes no sense

for israel to target this organisation , because not only organisation, because not only is it working closely with this organisation, it's actually helping food helping them distribute the food that from cyprus. that they deliver from cyprus. but it is also this incident thatis but it is also this incident that is a massive failure for israel and it's turning the world against israel. it doesn't achieve anything by targeting this. now that being said, this is still amateurish and inexcusable. unprofessional. so somebody has to pay for this. obviously it's irresponsible and it shouldn't have happened. >> i mean, it seems remarkable, yotam that that a government minister has come forward and said, well, of course it was a mistake. i mean, we've mistake. i mean, look, we've killed own soldiers . i killed 30 of our own soldiers. i mean, which the way it was phrased was, was actually very odd . odd. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i would also say, first of all, this is not the first incident, in gaza, where israeli soldiers have acted irresponsibly. they've made numerous mistakes in the past six months. it goes without saying. and the idf in general

has also made several mistakes and acted unprofessionally in the west bank, for example . but the west bank, for example. but this incident is of course, not right now. it's, israel's enemies are trying to turn this into an act of deliberate, systematic killing of aid workers, which is, of course, serves, one part and one part only. that's hamas. and the more we talk about these things, the more hamas is benefiting from all of this. and, this is, of course, right out of our right out of their playbook . and out of their playbook. and israel is continually falling into this trap and really failing to do their job, which is to target only hamas and islamic jihad and other terrorists and not, attacking aid workers. so, again , a aid workers. so, again, a tragedy and something that israel has to explain fully . israel has to explain fully. >> okay. yotam confino, good to see you. thank you . see you. thank you. >> let's take a look at your weather now for you with alex burchell. >> looks like things are heating

up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some heavy rain in the south at first morning, that's first this morning, but that's clearing quite clearing away to leave quite a few showers many of us. but few showers for many of us. but do care the southeast . do take care in the southeast. could thundery downpours do take care in the southeast. coulctime thundery downpours do take care in the southeast. coulctime before|undery downpours do take care in the southeast. coulctime before thatery downpours do take care in the southeast. coulctime before that clears/npours for a time before that clears away. scattering away. and then yes, a scattering of many places. of showers across many places. these most frequent across england and wales. but there should be some decent bright sunny spells in between the showers and in these sunny breaks. pleasantly warm breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with reaching highs with temperatures reaching highs of 15 or 16 celsius. of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places staying digits, staying in single digits, perhaps just about getting into double figures across western parts of scotland. more wet weather come as go through weather to come as we go through the the day and overnight the end of the day and overnight , swathes of rain pushing up from southwest. this could from the southwest. this could be pretty heavy and a bit persistent at times, so pretty

persistent at times, so a pretty wet us and wet night for most of us and some snow perhaps dropping some hill snow perhaps dropping to slightly lower levels for a time, as across parts of scotland across the far north of scotland, there may be a touch of frost here. otherwise staying pretty mild because the pretty mild because of the cloudy, blustery cloudy, wet and blustery weather. we do have some further blustery weather to come as we go through friday. it is going to be a wet story across much of scotland, but the rain gradually edging its way northwards as we go through the day, the go through the day, taking the hill with otherwise hill snow with it. otherwise outbreaks which outbreaks of showery rain, which are heaviest and are likely to be heaviest and most across parts of most frequent across parts of scotland northern ireland scotland and northern ireland towards much of england and wales, and towards much of england and wa are and towards much of england and wa are going and towards much of england and wa are going to and towards much of england and wa are going to see and towards much of england and wa are going to see our and we are going to see our temperatures rising to 17 or 18 by a brighter outlook with by by a brighter outlook with boxt sponsor of weather on boxt solar sponsor of weather on . gb news. >> now we're very excited by this one because it's our biggest giveaway of the year. so far. you could be in with a chance to win a £10,000 greek cruise for two. but that's not all. >> no £10,000 in cash to go with

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>> well, that's what we're thinking. we could for october. >> that would be lovely. october. >> butt would be lovely. october. >> but we'dld be lovely. october. >> but we'd have lovely. october. >> but we'd have lo�*goy. october. >> but we'd have lo�*go very >> but we'd have to go very early in september, because early on in september, because we'll have all the prep for the first have the week. >> i'm thinking we'll together. >> go together. >> we'll go together. >> we'll go together. >> look. >> have a look. >> have a look. >> rishi, if you could, if you could get it there for about mid—october, time mid—october, give us time to prep. >> yeah. prep. >> yea can get the last of the >> we can get the last of the summer in the september. summer sun in the september. >> we're going to very, >> yeah, we're going to be very, very busy more very busy anyway. more importantly, very busy anyway. more imjgoneitly, soft on crime? we're we gone too soft on crime? we're going debating that next. going to be debating that next. >> i he is watching as well >> i bet he is watching as well you know. but he is.

>> 726. now, judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders who are from deprived backgrounds. yes. >> the sentencing council has for the first time explained the mitigating factors that include poverty, low educational attainment and experience of

discrimination and insecure housing. >> so we're asking today, does that mean we're going too soft on crime? >> let's talk to former barrister neil hamilton and social campaigner winston davis. good to see you both this morning neil. what do you make of this. >> yeah i'm practising barrister now by the way. not a former barrister . now by the way. not a former barrister. although i don't i don't practice in the areas of crime but but no i think that this is a very retrograde step and i'm very surprised because the sentencing council is peopled by top judges and legal practitioners . i'm surprised practitioners. i'm surprised that they exhibit such a lack of common sense in making this proposal. it's actually an inqu proposal. it's actually an insult to the overwhelming majority of people who do come from difficult backgrounds, who lead perfectly law abiding lives, you know, difficulties in your upbringing may well explain your upbringing may well explain your conduct, but it can never excuse it if what you're doing is committing crimes. winston what do you make of it? >> do you think it is insulting to those born into poverty who are abiding citizens , look,

are law abiding citizens, look, i don't think it's insulting, there are there's clear evidence and studies shown that if you have adverse childhood experiences , such as growing up experiences, such as growing up in poverty, poor education, as we talked about now that you are, i think it's 20 times more likely to end up in prison. like, the gentleman just said just now, it doesn't , justify just now, it doesn't, justify your behaviour, but it does give an indication as to why these people are committing offences and what i found it more interesting is going, okay, well, if they are now identifying why people are more likely commit crime or why likely to commit crime or why these people are committing to crime and they're to crime and they're committed to end prison, isn't end up in prison, well, isn't that to that a chance then, for to really down and really drill down and rehabilitation, to get them out of prison and to back in of prison and to be back in sight as a contributing member of society rather just of society rather than just saying, , they're in prison, saying, well, they're in prison, that's they'll the that's it. and they'll do the minimum rehabilitation and kick them out again. i think there's an opportunity here. >> all right. look neil, it's an interesting point. winston makes 20 times more likely to commit a

crime if you're from a deprived background. i mean, that's got to be that's got to be considered, hasn't it? well we know that a lot of the people who are in prison are multiple offenders, and there is a problem with rehabilitation, as we've just heard. >> of course, rehabilitation should be a major part of our prison system. we don't want people re—offend when they're people to re—offend when they're released from prison. so that part of the system isn't working terribly well at the moment enhen terribly well at the moment either. but i don't think that it improves the criminal justice system to have a kind of two tier level of sentencing. i think this is going to lead to people perpetuating the view of judges being too soft. and i think it's an invitation to people who come from difficult backgrounds, actually , to carry backgrounds, actually, to carry on with their offending, because if they're going to be treated more leniently by virtue of factors over which they had no control , rather than their control, rather than their behaviour do behaviour over which they do have control , then that's going have control, then that's going to lead to injustice. have control, then that's going to lwinston.justice. have control, then that's going to lwinston. it'sice. have control, then that's going to lwinston. it's almost like >> winston. it's almost like we're coming in too late with

this. talking about lighter sentences for those who from sentences for those who are from difficult backgrounds, shouldn't we be intervening earlier in what those young people in those depnved what those young people in those deprived backgrounds who then go into fall into a life of crime 100% and we just touch on two points here and the point just made a minute ago was saying, are we going into a two tier system? >> well, i think just in december, a oxford oxford university student was spared jail because for a knife attack, because she was deemed too clever and it could harm her career prospects . i mean, if career prospects. i mean, if that's not a two tier system already, you know what? what is. but no, but definitely certainly getting in early. the charity that i am chair of, we target boys that are between the age of 8 to 16 years old, predominantly eight years old with that early intervention. so with the education, with the soft skills to try to then give them the awareness to then move away from that kind of life from the start i >> -- >>a -- >> a lot of people, winston, and

we've had a lot of emails through this morning saying no, it is an insult to say that that people are more likely to commit it is an insult to say that that prcrime are more likely to commit it is an insult to say that that p> well, okay. look, firstly, i mean, people say it's an insult. just dial back on that. say it's an insult. well, you know, the statistics and the facts speak for themselves. so regardless of how feel that are coming how people feel that are coming from deprived background and that they've great not that they've done great to not get trouble live get in trouble and live a balanced life, fantastic. more power but the power to them. but the statistics say that you are more likely to up committing statistics say that you are more likely if up committing statistics say that you are more likely if you'rep committing statistics say that you are more likely if you'rep conthating statistics say that you are more likely if you'rep conthat kind crime if you're from that kind of background. so i lost you a second there. >> no, we've. sorry i lost you there. >> can you hear me? yep. >> can you hear me? yep. >> we've still got you. >> we've still got you. >> yeah. so? so, i mean , look, i >> yeah. so? so, i mean, look, i think that every case is different . and, you know, like i different. and, you know, like i said, if somebody doesn't end up

getting in trouble because of the life that they've born the life that they've been born into, if into, that's wonderful. but if you , then those people you have, then those people need support. personally, i grew up and i didn't have the direction, i didn't have the guidance and what i thought and what i made of the world as a child was completely incorrect and wasn't. what i've then made, made as the world as an adult. so the opinions that you form when you are 13, 14 and then are 12, 13, 14 and then start committing behaviour committing criminal behaviour or bad behaviour without the knowledge awareness , you're knowledge and awareness, you're just going to keep on doing it. so not until i actually went to prison and sat there and thought about my life and thought, actually, nah, isn't how actually, nah, this isn't how i want to live. this is not how i want to live. this is not how i want to live. this is not how i want to behave. and what what happened early life happened to me early in my life should define who i am. i'm should not define who i am. i'm a good i'm now run my a good man. i'm i now run my business, do business, i'm married, i do what i'm but of the, i'm doing. but because of the, the, foresight of adulthood and i'm doing. but because of the, the,developed)f adulthood and i'm doing. but because of the, the,developed mind lthood and i'm doing. but because of the, the,developed mind , hood and i'm doing. but because of the, the,developed mind , i'md and i'm doing. but because of the, the,developed mind , i'm nowi the developed mind, i'm now last word you. word with you. >> we are running of >> because we are running out of time. isn't this something time. but isn't this something that doing anyway ? that judges were doing anyway? they account they were taking into account mitigating factors when they were applying sentences? >> of course . that's absolutely

>> of course. that's absolutely right. there's a separate sentencing hearing after conviction and, reports are, presented to the judge on background, character, anything else, which is relevant to the circumstances in which the crime was committed . and, you know, we was committed. and, you know, we often read of what appear on the face of it being comprehensible sentences in tabloid newspapers because it's dangerous to judge by that, because you've not heard the case yourself. you don't know the circumstances of the individual, like the case that just a moment that was quoted just a moment ago oxford. but yes, judges ago in oxford. but yes, judges do take into account individual circumstances . sometimes judges circumstances. sometimes judges get it wrong, and sometimes they sentence people too harshly, sometimes too leniently. in case of sentences which are too lenient, the attorney general can make a reference to the court of appeal to have a sentence review . so there's sentence review. so there's a lot of individual considering of cases in every particular instance . and i don't think that instance. and i don't think that the sentencing council's current guidance, as recently announced, is going to help at all. i think

it's going to confuse matters. >> okay . neil hamilton, winston >> okay. neil hamilton, winston davies, really good to see you both. this morning. thank you very much indeed. winston is in the sunshine . oh very much indeed. winston is in the sunshine . on is he in the sunshine. on is he in thailand i think. >> oh thailand i think. >> on very nice to thank you for joining us, winston. >> what time is. >> i wonder what time it is. >> i wonder what time it is. >> he's made special effort to >> he's made a special effort to talk to us. it's an interesting one though, don't think people one though, i don't think people appreciate what it means to be in prison. i think for people who say, well, they only got five years or or we'll only serve five years or whatever it is. >> it's is.- >> it's a is. >> it's a long time. it is a long time. >> i mean, i'm not. for some people, it needs to be a lot longer, obviously, but for some crimes, think, i mean, crimes, you think, i mean, that's time. it's a long that's a long time. it's a long time be the system. time to be out the system. >> but really interesting what winston there. he's winston was saying there. he's saying shorter sentences necessarily be necessarily might not be beneficial you the beneficial because you need the time if the time to rehabilitate. if the system is in their system, you've got well, at least they both agreed on that, you both agreed on that, that you need you've to be rehabilitated. >> there's no don't, you >> there's no we don't, you

know, lock door and throw know, lock the door and throw away that's not what we away the key. that's not what we do country. we want do in this country. no, we want people out and then be people to come out and then be like, winston, positive, like, winston, be positive, active which active members of society, which is he is now. yeah, good is what he is now. yeah, good and good on him for it, because it be. it's difficult, think. >> no, absolutely. do you let us know what you of that know what you think of that story? views at gb news. com story? gb views at gb news. com do you stay with us though? because paul coyte is going to be to us be here shortly to talk us through of the latest sport.

>> ku—klip. paul coyte has got all your sport for us this morning. >> what was you doing? are you talking about me? are you talking about me? are you talking about me? yeah. yeah. arsenal go on, give it some welly. give it some. some sincerity. >> arsenal managed to win against luton at home yesterday

which put them to the top of the premier league. >> why did you hate him so much? >> why did you hate him so much? >> i don't hate them. it's a it's a rivalry this arsenal thing. they do the same with me. that's thing. so that's it's the same thing. so it's steven. it's a very it's just a steven. it's a very friendly rivalry. >> oh yeah. right. >> oh yeah. right. >> what it is. but arsenal they continue to win. they're doing extremely well. it was luton and it was it was a canter for them. and that's a phrase i've never ever used when it's come to football. but it was, it was that easy. so man city though are on their tail. they won four one against aston villa yesterday. went one up. then it was one one. and then there was a hat trick from phil foden . so a hat trick from phil foden. so manchester city also looking very but tonight when we very good. but tonight when we have brentford and brighton which was nil nil yesterday . but which was nil nil yesterday. but tonight liverpool then could leapfrog arsenal should they win against sheffield united, which they should do because sheffield united are having a horrible season and they're it's so exciting at the top three isn't it. is. yeah. it really is it. it is. yeah. it really is exciting. it is. there's exciting. yeah it is. there's it's it's of those

it's those it's out of those three. and then whereas aston villa were beaten by manchester city yesterday aston villa they're in that race for the top four along with spurs for fourth and fifth. villa are fourth. united are spurs are fifth. and then you've got united a little bit lower below. they're about eight below, but it looks eight points below, but it looks like be the top like it's going to be the top five. we'll qualify for the champions this year. it's five. we'll qualify for the cheto 3ions this year. it's five. we'll qualify for the cheto dors this year. it's five. we'll qualify for the cheto do with this year. it's five. we'll qualify for the cheto do with coefficients.|r. it's all to do with coefficients. what. well it's all do with what. well it's all to do with different countries and how well they're doing in europe . they're doing in europe. germany, it's between germany and england at the moment. whoever whatever country does well will get an extra place in the champions league. so it's beneficial for english teams to do example, west ham do well. for example, west ham are playing bayer leverkusen, who a german team, and who are a german team, and should beat them that should they beat them then that means more place for means there's one more place for an . an english team. >> very good, very clear. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> story out of spain. >> yeah, the famous song in casablanca. as time goes by, you must remember this. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> a kiss is just a kiss , but.

>> a kiss is just a kiss, but. oh, but in rubiales case, a kiss is not just a kiss. because a whole heap of everything is landed on him. since the kiss that happened at the end of the world cup final with jenni hermoso. so so not only has there been the fact where he's had to step down as running the spanish fa is now awaiting trial for sexual assault . for this and for sexual assault. for this and being now investigated on top of this , for corruption as head of this, for corruption as head of the spanish fa, which kind of makes you think you don't want to be arguing against this because it's almost the catalyst for everything that's coming on top of, he was detained by spanish authorities, got on a plane from madrid, no. to madrid. actually was heading home to madrid from the dominican republic, then was arrested there and now has to deal with. i'll tell you what it is. the actual problem, the so—called problem or whatever he's being charged with is the spanish super cup. now the spanish super cup. now the spanish super cup. it's the spanish super cup. it's the spanish version of the community shield. so it's the league

winners against the cup winners. now, you kind of smell a rat when you find that the spanish super cup, a deal was done to have held in saudi for have it held in saudi arabia for the years. so they're the next ten years. so they're now looking into that and thinking there's finances. is there payments going in? so luis rubiales is in a whole heap of trouble. >> oh, ouch . >> oh, ouch. >> oh, ouch. >> so a kiss is not just a kiss. >>— >> so a kiss is not just a kiss. >> no, it isn't the right can of worms, isn't it? yeah, exactly, paul worms, isn't it? yeah, exactly, paul, we've got to leave it there. okay, we'll see you in there. okay, we'll see you in the next hour. >> okay. >> okay. >> we've to do in the >> we've got golf to do in the next hour. brilliant. >> lovely. next hour. brilliant. >> thank lovely. next hour. brilliant. >> thank lov�*very much. now, >> thank you very much. now, still come. are you planning still to come. are you planning to fly this year? well, we to fly away this year? well, we would like to. >> please. >> yes, please. >> yes, please. >> well, you find out why >> well, you can find out why you're in for one more year of the millilitre carry on the 100 millilitre carry on luggage that's

next. >> 745. good morning to you. let's see what's in the papers this morning with political commentators andy williams and suzanne evans. good morning to you both. andy, let's have a look at the times they're looking at this, this yougov poll, isn't it, this new one, which is a whole load of, of the cabinet being booted out of politics. yeah which is what they call poor michael portillo of this parish, because he called it the portillo moment, because it was big news when he went back in the day. when was that, 92 97, it 97. 97. yes. that, 92 or 97, it 97. 97. yes. when they when a whole load wiped out. is this going to happen again? i suspect. >> yeah, i think it probably is. and this, mlp poll, which and this, this mlp poll, which is poll that with is a kind of mega poll that with a big size , suggests a very big sample size, suggests that labour course for a, you that labour on course for a, you know, a roughly 97 style majority, maybe slightly bigger. i mean, we kind of know this. there have been lots of similar polls that predict a wipe—out. i think interesting thing think the interesting thing about things. about this poll is two things. firstly it shows that rishi sunakis firstly it shows that rishi sunak is going backwards versus

where he was at the start of the yeah where he was at the start of the year. so either people don't feel like things are getting better, they're, you know , better, that they're, you know, financial circumstances are improving, not improving, etc, or he's not getting the credit for it. but either way, it's grim reading for the tories. and secondly, it's predicting that most of the household name cabinet ministers we know of are going to lose their seats. jeremy hunt, the chancellor, penny morden , mark chancellor, penny morden, mark harper, grant shapps all of these people predicted to lose their seats, which firstly will be really embarrassing for them, make a real statement, but also changes the dynamics of the conservative leadership race after the election. yes rishi isn't looking so dishy anymore, isn't looking so dishy anymore, is he? >> do you remember his leadership campaign slogan? are you ready for rishi? are you ready for the complete obliteration of the conservative party? more like it's turning out to be. so, yeah, very interesting, the plan is working. he keeps saying . well, working. he keeps saying. well, this clearly shows it's not okay. let's be honest. >> your hands in glee. >> your hands in glee. >> well, not sort of jeremy hunt

going. yeah, i think i probably am to be honest. not my favourite but okay, favourite politician, but okay, let's one poll let's be honest. only one poll matters, that's the one that matters, and that's the one that you tick on the ballot box on the of the general election. the day of the general election. and course, we don't and of course, we still don't know that's going to be know when that's going to be happening. any is happening. so and any time is a short time politics, things short time in politics, things could but goodness, could change. but my goodness, they against it. now. they are up against it. now. like it is looking like like i said, it is looking like it's a 1997 style it's going to be a 1997 style wipe—out . you've got reform at wipe—out. you've got reform at 12% in the polls as well. coming up , snapping at the tory vote in up, snapping at the tory vote in the wall and in some the red wall and in some traditional working class laboun >> what's it going to do ? >> what's it going to do? >> what's it going to do? >> well, it's going to deprive i think both parties of votes. i don't think it's just the conservatives. i think , you conservatives. i think, you know, there are a lot of labour people who are increasingly disillusioned with the labour party. so far away party. it strayed so far away now its working class roots. now for its working class roots. it no longer represents the working woman. i don't working man and woman. i don't think it's become part of the liberal elite. just like other other parties. so they are going to a difference to the to make a difference to the electoral landscape. are they going any seats? are

going to get any seats? are almost certainly not. unless we have situation where an mp have a situation where an mp defects to reform, as douglas carswell and mark reckless did, and both won seats . mark and both won seats. mark reckless only in the by—election. but then douglas carswell for ukip again in the general election and do them well in the not in the long run. no. but of course, that was all about so arguably it was about brexit. so arguably it was about brexit. so arguably it was a slightly different is it is it down to point then where. down to a point then where. >> and as someone say you >> and as someone who's say you were of ukip , is were deputy chair of ukip, is vote for reform now now in effect a vote for labour? >> no , i don't think so. i think >> no, i don't think so. i think it's a vote against the conservative party. but it's i've said before, really hurt the tory party. i think it probably will, but i don't think it's about labour winning the next general election. if the general election were held tomorrow. not about labour tomorrow. it's not about labour winning it's about the winning it, it's about the tories because they've tories losing it because they've been a disaster, frankly. been such a disaster, frankly. >> you think, >> and what do you think, suzanne? this means the tory leadership election. leadership post election. >> a very >> well, that's a very interesting question. it depends who's because who's around, because of course you have a conservative

you can only have a conservative party leader is a member party leader who is a member of parliament the of parliament under the terms of their constitution . so it's their constitution. so it's who's still to stand. well who's left still to stand. well you see, should we have a look at this, 100 millilitre liquid rule, if you get on a plane , you rule, if you get on a plane, you know, you've got to have your your travel size bottles of awful stuff. it was meant to be getting. it was meant to disappear, wasn't it? down to up to a litre or was litres. to a litre or it was litres. >> so excited about this. >> i was so excited about this. as somebody who checked late as somebody who checked in late for from inverness once for a flight from inverness once and check her bag. on and couldn't check her bag. oh dear. and couldn't check her bag. oh dear . and literally had to dear. and literally had to unpack all my toiletries , plus unpack all my toiletries, plus a load of toiletries i'd bought as presents for people just to see them go in the bin. i was devastated because i'm clearly not a terrorist and they were clearly proper liquids, you know, and harm so i was know, and no harm done. so i was so excited about this rule, there was always a problem about whether or not airports could get the scanners in place quick enough. they've now decided that they install them quickly they can't install them quickly enough. so it's been back enough. so it's been put back

for year . it is enough. so it's been put back for year. it is such for another year. it is such a pain. >> if you've ever tried to get your stock in those little bags, some have got them. some airports have got them. city, . yeah, what city, airport. yeah, what a lovely airport. >> city is a privilege to travel. >> how can city airport, which is tiny get them when the big airports are. >> that's why it's the it's the it's the scale and scale of heathrow gatwick. they've heathrow and gatwick. they've really mean it's really struggled to i mean it's another infrastructure triumph for pushed for britain this year pushed back by another year. i mean i read this morning i didn't realise do you know how long this been in place for this this has been in place for this rule. since 911 isn't it. >> oh it's since 911 isn't it. >> oh it's since 911 isn't it. >> 2006. came. was before >> 2006. it came. it was before nearly 20 years. >> it was because it was the shoe bomber, wasn't it? was that there was that. >> then there was somebody there was that. >> tried1en there was somebody there was that. >> tried to there was somebody there was that. >> tried to smuggle s somebody there was that. >> tried to smuggle explosivesy who tried to smuggle explosives in a fizzy drinks bottle , and in a fizzy drinks bottle, and then they introduce it into heathrow. so it's taken nearly 20 years to get the point 20 years to get to the point where we've the technology where we've had the technology to actually us having to to actually stop us having to take all of our stuff of our take all of our stuff out of our bags. yeah, yeah. take all of our stuff out of our bagand yeah, yeah. take all of our stuff out of our bagand be 'eah, yeah. take all of our stuff out of our bagand be 'eah, toah. your >> and be able to leave your laptop as well with laptop in your bag as well with these scanners , which is a, these new scanners, which is a, which is i'm always leaving it

in and then you, you know, you >> and then you, you know, you see horrible moment when it see that horrible moment when it stops no, oh stops and you think, oh no, oh no. is it going wipe all my stuff? >> i know they don't, but it's always the fear, isn't it? >> always well. >> yeah, it's always me as well. the profiteering going the profiteering as well going in shops and the in in the shops and the airports. you have to buy the minis. yeah. it's about £4 for a little of shampoo. yeah. little thing of shampoo. yeah. and to take and you just want to take a little bottle water through, but. >> oh no, you have to pay three, £4 one when you've got £4 for one when you've got through to duty free. >> pleased to >> yes. we'll be very pleased to see of that. yes, andy, see the end of that. yes, andy, should we talk ai in terms should we talk about al in terms of music? >> well really >> yeah. well two really interesting ai related stories. this morning. one about the threat of ai, one about the opportunity . there's this story opportunity. there's this story in the times letter in the times about a letter that's been by loads of that's been signed by loads of really famous artists billie eilish, wonder , rem and eilish, stevie wonder, rem and the estates of some big artists as who are all saying that as well, who are all saying that al generated voices could be ai generated voices could be catastrophic for songwriters who are trying to make ends meet. so not necessarily for these guys who are multi—million snares, but for the, you know, the everyday songwriter who's

struggling to get by because what it's doing is taking people's intellectual property, their voice, their, tally out and sort of reusing those voices and sort of reusing those voices and turning it into new songs. so it's a big threat to the music industry, actually. >> so what's google going to do about it? >> i don't know what google. i mean, i assume google are probably profit. probably trying to profit. profit profiteer from it. but, i don't think there is really any solution on the table at the moment. but there's an interesting story in the ft about the opportunity that google's trying to seize around search. so it's looking at potentially introducing a new level of google search that would be premium behind the pay rule and driven by ai . so rule wall and driven by ai. so faster, more sophisticated, more powerful search. >> impressed by this ai is an interesting one, isn't it? >> i mean, it's obviously the future. i think there's any doubt about that. the tech is racing away massive amounts of investment going into it. what's it going to look like? ultimately plenty of arguments.

it's going to lead to job losses. the intellectual property issues are very much to the a brave new the fore. it's a brave new world, but it's whether it's one i'm going to like. i think remains to be seen. >> is it one that we're going to have to just get used to? we're not going to be able to. it's like pandora's box. >> it is. >> it is. >> absolutely. but of course, there is a lot talk about there is a lot of talk about legislation. rishi sunak legislation. and rishi sunak famously but famously had his ai summit. but of the big of course, whether the big players like china are going to take notice globally take notice of any globally agreed treaties or whether they're to they're going to even sign up to them, another matter. so them, is another matter. so it is a new frontier. like any is a new frontier. it's like any of big things the of these big things the industrial revolution, the advance internet, advance of the internet, telecommunications , they are telecommunications, they are world changing, i think. >> they are real issue >> yeah, they are the real issue here is the big tech here is that the big tech companies, always, are miles companies, as always, are miles ahead of governments in terms of their they also have their capability. they also have , more money than most nation states. you know, the amount of money that apple, google, microsoft are throwing at this is enormous because they don't want lose their their want to lose their their dominant position where, you know, it's it seems crazy to

think that google might not be the search engine we all use today in ten years time, but there's no reason why it will. >> the other thing is, we're at a time above the ethics. yeah, we're at a time. a time above the ethics. yeah, we'sadly. time. >> sadly. >> sadly. >> andrew, suzanne, you >> andrew, suzanne, thank you very here's the weather. very much. here's the weather. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some in the south at some heavy rain in the south at first this morning, but that's clearing quite clearing away to leave quite a few showers for many of us. but do care in southeast. do take care in the southeast. could downpours do take care in the southeast. could before downpours do take care in the southeast. could before that downpours do take care in the southeast. could before that clears/npours for a time before that clears away . and then yes, a scattering away. and then yes, a scattering of showers across many places. these most frequent across england and wales. there england and wales. but there should decent bright should be some decent bright sunny spells in between the showers these sunny showers and in these sunny breaks . feeling pleasantly warm breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with reaching highs with temperatures reaching highs of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places staying in single digits,

perhaps just about getting into double western double figures across western parts scotland . more wet parts of scotland. more wet weather to come as we go through the end the day and overnight the end of the day and overnight , rain up , swathes of rain pushing up from this could from the southwest. this could be pretty heavy and a bit persistent at times, so a pretty wet night for most of us and some hill snow perhaps dropping to lower levels for to slightly lower levels for a time, parts of time, as across parts of scotland across the far north of scotland, there may be a touch of frost here, otherwise staying pretty because the pretty mild because of the cloudy, blustery cloudy, wet and blustery weather. we do have some further blustery to come as we blustery weather to come as we go through friday. is going go through friday. it is going to wet story across much of to be a wet story across much of scotland , but the rain gradually scotland, but the rain gradually edging as we edging its way northwards as we go the day , taking the go through the day, taking the hill with otherwise hill snow with it. otherwise outbreaks rain , which outbreaks of showery rain, which are likely to be heaviest and most frequent across parts of scotland and northern ireland towards much of england and wales, actually largely dry and we are going see our we are going to see our temperatures to 17 or 18 temperatures rising to 17 or 18 by by a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather

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yes, rishi sunak desperate to get people on flights to rwanda. two years after the scheme was first announced. he's hinting now if that means pulling out of the echr, he is prepared to go there . there. >> a labour landslide a new poll reveals tories could suffer the worst election defeat on record, with sir keir starmer's party predicted to win 400 seats. >> new guidelines reveal judges should consider more lenient sentences for criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds, but that's raising concerns about a

divide with the better off. >> the world central kitchen founder claims israeli forces targeted his aid workers systematically , as former top systematically, as former top judges say arming israel breaches international law . breaches international law. >> and in the sports news this morning, manchester city score four against aston villa with a phil foden hat trick . arsenal phil foden hat trick. arsenal beat luton last night to go back to the top of the premier league, but liverpool play bottom club sheffield united tonight and should they win as you'd expect them to, then they'll go top again. that makes sense . sense. >> morning. watch out for some heavy, possibly thundery downpours in the south east first thing this morning. otherwise there'll be few otherwise there'll be a few showers and feeling showers around and feeling pleasantly any or pleasantly warm in any bright or sunny spells . i'll have the sunny spells. i'll have the forecast later. sunny spells. i'll have the forecast lmorning sunny spells. i'll have the forecast [morning to you. >> good morning to you. >> good morning to you. >> i'm stephen dixon and i'm ellie costello, and this is breakfast on gb news.

>> o on the echr , which we're >> o on the echr, which we're going to talk about in a second. kate's been in touch. good morning to you, kate said the prime minister could have come out the echr months or years out of the echr months or years ago, but waited until now ago, but he's waited until now and doing very badly at the and he's doing very badly at the polls. that's an polls. well, that's an indication doesn't really indication it doesn't really want do it, which no which want to do it, which is no which is great surprise because is no great surprise because i think, be seen to be think, he wants to be seen to be doing something to get the rwanda planes off the ground if they don't, that's what he's pinned everything on. i don't know , that's going to make any know, that's going to make any difference. now, when you look at poll. difference. now, when you look at well, poll. difference. now, when you look at well, on poll. difference. now, when you look at well, on that l. difference. now, when you look at well, on that we have one on >> well, on that we have one on the poll. so we can do. oh you've just read it. there you 90, you've just read it. there you go, the conservatives leon says the conservatives especially rishi sunak, have lost all credibility regarding immigration. and we're also talking to jonathan reynolds of the labour party earlier on. there's lots of you reacting to that. david said, what would labour do to stop the boats? >> well, did address that. >> well, he did address that. >> well, he did address that. >> he did. david, i think it's a

bit vague. we're sort of saying you need to improve the processing and all that sort of thing. >> i don't know how that stopping them before they come to, before they even get on a boat. well, processing offshore , boat. well, processing offshore, no, no, no, it was all about processing over here. >> oh, right. but getting it up but making it much faster. then you're getting people out of hotels, say. if they're you're getting people out of hot

>> well, can i have to have the detail in a manifesto though ? so detail in a manifesto though? so they must have some plans. i guess what they don't want to do is, is give the government those plans so we'll find plans just yet. so we'll find out when the manifestos have been published, which won't happen, of course, until the election called. it is election is called. it is sitting there waiting to go though, we understand , but we though, so we understand, but we shall have to wait and see. it's interesting that. did you read that one, didn't you? saying the rishi sunak lost all credibility regarding immigration? well, he's claim it back he's trying to claim it back because by suggesting at least that he will pull out of the european court of human rights if it stands in the way of the rwanda plan . rwanda plan. >> well, rishi sunak said that controlling illegal immigration is more important than membership of the legal body, and he would not let a foreign court interfere in sovereign affairs . affairs. >> there's arguments as to whether it is a foreign court or not. we helped set it up and some of the judges are british as a result of all of that. but anyway, that's another debate. let's talk to our political

correspondent, katherine forster, who's in westminster for the issue with for us. i mean, the issue with all of this , catherine, is that all of this, catherine, is that we know the prime minister doesn't want to this, doesn't really want to do this, and know there's and we know there's a significant number of tories who don't do either . don't want to do it either. >> i think that's exactly right, stephen. and that is why he hasn't pledged it yet. and it really would be his sort of last option. the nuclear option, if you like. if he does, in fact feel that he has to go there because he thought he could get people on these flights, before , people on these flights, before, before they've spent two years from announcing it. still hundreds of millions given to rwanda. not a single migrant at the safety of rwanda bill still going through parliament, and he's hopeful of getting flights off in the spring. but if there is a court challenge and bear in mind that the, the european court has blocked this before, asindeed court has blocked this before, as indeed have british courts , as indeed have british courts, he is indicating that, yes, he

would be prepared to say we need to withdraw that potentially would be a manifesto pledge for the general election. but as you say, that would be very, very divisive. first of all, within his own party, there's plenty on the right. and people like the former home secretary suella braverman, saying, well, this is obvious that we need to do this and we should have done this already. but there's plenty more, more moderate, more centrist conservative mps, especially among the one nation group, who would be absolutely horrified at this. and some cabinet ministers who potentially might resign. and in terms of voters, there'll be plenty of voters, maybe some of those toying with going to reform who will think, yes , this reform who will think, yes, this is what we have to do. this is a great idea, but there'll be many others who, again, would think that this is absolutely the wrong step to take. and they might be pushed straight into the arms of the liberal democrats . democrats. >> and catherine, this all comes

as a new poll suggests, that the tories could suffer the worst election defeat on record. >> yes, another day, another horrendous poll if you're a conservative mp. we had one at the weekend saying projecting the weekend saying projecting the conservatives to only get 98 seats. this is slightly better, but only slightly, saying they'd get 155. but labour projected to get 155. but labour projected to get 403. so we really are looking potentially at a 1997 style landslide for sir keir starmer. lib dems on 12% projected 49 seats reform, 12% projected 49 seats reform, 12% projected no seats at all, but potentially costing the conservatives a lot. so it's quite a turnaround for sir keir starmer because it's just four years since he became leader of the labour party. at the time, it looked like he was going to

have to be a sort of caretaker leader because labour seemed to be in such a mess that it was thought it would take them at least a decade to make themselves electable again, things have really changed dramatically. i've taken a look back over the last four years. let's have a look at that. now. a changed labour party on the march on your side. >> return to the service of working people. all things can always change and fast. >> but current polling predicts a huge labour majority. how times change. four years ago, starmer took over a labour party smarting from its worst defeat since 1935. >> cumulatively, we lost the trust of the public in the labour party as a force for good and a force for change, and we've lost four general elections . elections. >> despite calls for a first female leader, the party plumped for another man from north london on a platform of ten left

wing pledges making, he said , wing pledges making, he said, the moral case for socialism. few of those pledges remain intact, but baroness jenny chapman , who was starmer's chapman, who was starmer's political secretary, explains so things that he said for years ago , before we left the european ago, before we left the european union, before covid, before the financial crisis that liz truss pledged plunge us into as a country, before our mortgages, all went through the roof. >> things you could say then, you know, it's just not pragmatic or realistic to say the exact same things. >> now, starmer's determination to root out the anti—semitism that had surged under corbyn led to a zero tolerance approach and quickly high profile figures being sacked or losing the whip , being sacked or losing the whip, including the former leader himself. changing the party hasn't been easy. when labour lost the hartlepool by—election to the tories in may 2021, starmer came close to resigning. the ensuing reshuffle aimed to

clip the wings of deputy leader angela rayner , but ended with angela rayner, but ended with her gaining a whole host of titles. borisjohnson her gaining a whole host of titles. boris johnson but weeks later the partygate scandal began to break and labour passed the tories in the polls. >> boozy parties in downing street? yes. is he now going to do the decent thing and resign as the conservatives have swapped one prime minister for another and another against a backdrop of high taxes and stretched public services, the labour lead has only grown. >> here's scarlett mccgwire pollster at jl partners, and one thing that keir starmer has managed to do is make himself and the party look like a safe opfion and the party look like a safe option again, especially around issues like immigration and the economy. and his numerous u—turns on policy have been seized on by the tories. >> now he seems to be opposing that policy . it's only that policy. it's only wednesday. i know he flip flops, but even him it's pretty

quick. >> the war in gaza has led to rebellions and the humiliation of george galloway winning rochdale. but starmer is focused on acting like a prime minister in waiting. >> we actually recently asked voters to describe keir starmer in a single word , and the most in a single word, and the most commonly used words were weak. boring, unsure. people also use words like honest and competent and leader. and i think one thing that we hear more and more from people is that actually, the more they see of him, at least they think he might be a little bit more normal than rishi sunak . something we hear a rishi sunak. something we hear a lot. we hear we don't know what keir starmer stands for. we're not sure what the labour party stands for, but must stands for, but they must be better we've had stands for, but they must be betthe we've had stands for, but they must be betthe last we've had stands for, but they must be betthe last 14 we've had stands for, but they must be betthe last 14 years. ve had stands for, but they must be betthe last 14 years. so had stands for, but they must be betthe last 14 years. so we'reid for the last 14 years. so we're going to give them a go in just four years. >> sir keir starmer has dragged the labour party back towards the labour party back towards the and to edge the centre and to the edge of power. forster . gb

power. katherine forster. gb news. yes. so the least worst opfion news. yes. so the least worst option . hardly a ringing option. hardly a ringing endorsement, but my goodness, what a turnaround. he looks now like he's heading to be our next prime minister by the end of the yeah prime minister by the end of the year. and really, he's been quite ruthless in pursuit of power because the pledges that he made to get elected have changed very dramatically to where we are now. he wants to win. and despite the very mild manners, it looks very much at the moment, like he's going to . the moment, like he's going to. >> okay, catherine, for now, thank you . thank you. >> now, judges have been told to consider more lenient sentences for offenders from deprived backgrounds. >> yeah, the sentencing council has for the first time, explained the mitigating factors that include poverty, low educational attainment, experience of discrimination and insecure housing. >> well, earlier we spoke to former metropolitan police detective peter bleksley about

this . this. >> she's always have done and they always will. do. they do not need it laying out from a body. not need it laying out from a body . the sentencing council body. the sentencing council formed in 2010, which , with this formed in 2010, which, with this ridiculous set of guidelines, has just shown how unfit for purpose it is. judges take these factors into account. this is deeply insulting to anybody who was born into poverty , who was was born into poverty, who was not particularly academic, who went on to make a decent living, contributing to society . and contributing to society. and quite frankly, it's just shown that this council that was established in 2010 is not fit for purpose and should be abolished forthwith . abolished forthwith. >> and, you know, peter, depending on whatever background you're from, whether that's upper class, whether it's whether you're born into poverty, you should know the difference between right and wrong. absolutely. wrong. surely absolutely. >> and we should all be judged as equals in the eyes of the law. but this just flies in the face of all that. and let's look

at the broader picture here in the uk, sadly, our streets are becoming increasingly lawless. we have an absolute epidemic of shoplifting and assaults on, retail staff. there's massive increase in violent crime. car crime is dreadful. burglary none of these are being investigated. nobody's being caught. so on those occasions when people are arrested, charged , put in front arrested, charged, put in front of a court and convicted, what what are people going to do now? they're simply going to say, i came from a tough background. life was hard for me. so please give me a lesser sentence. there are no deterrence these days, which is why, sadly, crime does pay- >> you say this highlights the need to basically get rid of the sentencing council, but isn't it necessary, peter? i mean, is it to provide those guidelines so that judges up and down the country are are sentencing in a similar way ? similar way? >> it's these guidelines that

have led to so many sentences that have had the public and the media up in arms in recent years. this body was only formed 14 years ago. it's not like it's cemented into the very heart and soul of our judiciary. and having been in many, many courts and in front of many, many judges as a witness, i hasten to add, rather than a defendant, i've always, erred on the side of trusting the wisdom of judges to come to their decisions as it is judges who hear all the facts of a case and not the sentencing council. so i think this kind of prescriptive, instructions that are being handed down are damaging. they tie the hands of judges very often, and consequently people do not receive the suitable punishments that they should , do you fear that they should, do you fear that they should, do you fear that this will excuse criminals ? renee. >> yes. and that's why it's so deeply insulting to people like me who came from a rather

impoverished background . please impoverished background. please forgive me, who came from a rather impoverished background, didn't achieve particularly well at school and then went on to live a law abiding life. it's so , so insulting to people to just say, well , if you're if you're say, well, if you're if you're starting life is difficult, then we'll understand. if you go off and have a life of crime utterly insulting and keep your thoughts coming through on that. >> loads of you getting in touch, saying, you know, you know right from martin know right from wrong. martin says. judges have got their priorities wrong. the british justice backwards. is, justice system is backwards. is, >> denise says it's not an excuse being deprived to commit a crime. i was brought up in the 60s and 70s. there were six of us with a single parent. we certainly knew right from wrong. and not one of me or my siblings got into trouble. everything is a touch these days. work a soft touch these days. we work for what we wanted and it is an achievement. >> well, it is an achievement.

>> well, it is an achievement. >> it is an achievement. and i think you're right. you can't just say , do you know what my just say, do you know what my issue is? i know it won't be popular with a lot of you. it's. it's the fact it's very easy. if you're from a crime free background. it's very easy to look at people who've committed crimes and go, well, that's what terrible, terrible people . and i terrible, terrible people. and i think that's because you're not. you're not as bad as your worst decision. that shouldn't define the rest of your life, but then i do some work with people once they've come out of prison. it's one of the some of the stuff i do on the side, and it's, and you get a different insight into it. when you look their it. and when you look at their background, sometimes when you look backgrounds, some look at their backgrounds, some have the most horrific have had the most horrific backgrounds and it does give you a bit more sense, but that should be taken into account in mitigating factors by the judge already, isn't it? yeah. the idea it's , you know, needs idea that it's, you know, needs to be laid out by the sentencing council, i don't know, i'm not a soft on crime type. i'm really

not. but it doesn't mean these people who've committed crimes are necessarily wicked and evil people, because then then some are. but not all. >> not all. >> not all. >> well, do let us know what you think about that story, or indeed any of the stories that we're talking about today. gb views gb news. >> com i can feel the nasty tweets coming on arriving my tweets coming on arriving on my twitter well, some people twitter feed. well, some people you throw away. you know i'll throw away. >> you believe in >> well, you believe in rehabilitation, i do. rehabilitation, i do, i do. >> you've to you've got to >> you've got to you've got to get back into society and make a positive contribution. >> a lot people would >> i think a lot of people would agree with that. >> i so, let us know. >> i hope so, let us know. >>— >> i hope so, let us know. >> do let us know what is not making a positive contribution at the moment the weather. at at the moment is the weather. at least wasn't first thing this least it wasn't first thing this morning. it change today? morning. will it change today? is that warm feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt sponsors of boxt boiler dealers sponsors of weather gb news. weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some heavy rain in the south at first this morning, but that's

clearing away to leave quite a few showers many of us. but few showers for many of us. but do take the southeast. do take care in the southeast. could be some thundery downpours for clears for a time before that clears away. and then yes, a scattering of showers across many places. these most frequent across england and wales. but there should some decent bright should be some decent bright sunny spells in between the showers in the sunny breaks. showers and in the sunny breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures highs of temperatures reaching highs of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places staying in single digits , perhaps just single digits, perhaps just about into double single digits, perhaps just about across into double single digits, perhaps just about across western ble single digits, perhaps just about across western parts of figures across western parts of scotland. more wet weather to come as we go through the end of the day and overnight, swathes of rain pushing up from the southwest. this could be pretty heavy a persistent at heavy and a bit persistent at times, a pretty wet night for times, so a pretty wet night for most of us some hill snow most of us and some hill snow perhaps dropping to slightly lower as lower levels for a time as across parts of scotland across the north of scotland, there the far north of scotland, there may a touch of frost here, may be a touch of frost here, otherwise staying pretty mild because the cloudy, wet and because of the cloudy, wet and blustery weather. we do have some blustery weather to some further blustery weather to come as go through friday. it come as we go through friday. it is to be a wet story

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channel. >> now british farmers have launched a campaign to demand universal basic income for

agricultural workers. it's a bid to improve financial security in the sector. >> well before brexit, farmers were heavily relied on eu subsidies. but now the government are having to replace this with other schemes. >> well, according to a new report, the systems won't actually plug the gap that's going to be left as part of the transition . transition. >> well, gb news northern ireland reporter dougie beattie joins us now. very good morning to you, dougie . to you, dougie. >> good morning and good morning from a farm i'd say let's burn. you can just see the calves getting their breakfast there behind me. but yes, we're, this . behind me. but yes, we're, this. has been quite an issue for farming throughout the uk. of course, after brexit happened, the single farm payment, as it was then, was a subsidy was known then, was a subsidy for farmers in order to produce food. and that food, of course, came to us subsidies in came to us with subsidies in place it. now, northern place in it. now, northern ireland, because of the protocol, we managed to lessen that somewhat. but farming input

costs have been up by about 35% over the last two years. i mean, we and gb news said about the price of milk going down. we said about the price of fertiliser up. we said fertiliser going up. we said about the potato failing about the potato crop failing all things. it's not all these things. it's not because have a magic ball, because we have a magic ball, it's because we look at farming as a business and decide, you know, when we do the maths on that and have a look at it, we say, okay, that's going to feel that's not. and that may well be the problem to start off with that in those negotiations after brexit, maybe brexit, that it was maybe people that inside industry that weren't inside the industry that weren't inside the industry that negotiations that were doing the negotiations on behalf of the farmers. and i'm joined now the former i'm joined now by the former agriculture minister for northern edwin poots. northern ireland, edwin poots. edwin how bad is it on farms at the moment? >> it's been an unusually wet spring, so there costs for spring, so there are costs for a straw for bedding the animals here and our for silage, here and our costs for silage, for feeding the animals has doubled over the course of the last few months . and what last few few months. and what farmers actually need is support in these crisis times, as opposed to some universal

benefit . farmers are businesses. benefit. farmers are businesses. they're small businesses. they need to promote efficiency . they need to promote efficiency. they need to promote efficiency. they need to promote efficiency. they need to have good animal welfare, and they need government actually to help them at point need, not some at a point of need, not some benefit , which spread benefit, which will be spread across, across everyone and actually encourage inefficiency. >> was it the case that in those negotiations after brexit that civil servants didn't seem to realise how farming worked and maybe a more environmental lobby was in place? >> yeah, but the environmental lobby was an illogical lobby. what they were pressing for, and as a consequence that , as a consequence of that, britain would should have food security in energy and security both in energy and food. is falling well short of that. food. is falling well short of that . and the british public that. and the british public have been sold short. so we've been buying gas from russia. we've been buying oil from, from, from the middle east, and we're buying food from all over the whenever we have our the world. whenever we have our own gas and oil in the north sea and whenever we should produce in own food in britain, it in our own food in britain, it is entirely illogical the is entirely illogical for the government not to provide security and

security both in energy and food, you were in those negotiations. >> you had to deal with trying to get the best for farmers here in northern ireland. i mean, how hard how much of an hard was it? how much of an understanding those civil understanding did those civil servants actually have, a lot of the northern ireland civil servants would probably have a better understanding because we're closer to agriculture in northern ireland. but little northern ireland. but little northern ireland. but little northern ireland produces over 10% of the food for all of the united kingdom. and if you look at land mass the united at the land mass of the united kingdom, there are many kingdom, there are so many opportunities that opportunities to ensure that you can after environment can look after the environment in hand, but also feed in the one hand, but also feed the nation on other, and the nation on the other, and that's we should doing, that's what we should be doing, as importing food as opposed to importing food from which from other countries, which produces at a higher produces that food at a higher carbon level than farmers in britain do . britain do. >> there you go. that came >> well, there you go. that came from a that was in those from a man that was in those negotiations, tell negotiations, and we can tell you is very much like you that this is very much like the old the woman who the old song the woman who swallowed a fly at the end of it. it didn't go well for her. and unless farmers, there is an input the industry itself input from the industry itself into legislation regulation input from the industry itself into may lation regulation input from the industry itself into may become regulation input from the industry itself into may become worse|lation

input from the industry itself into may become worse .ation that may become worse. >> okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed. well, let's debate it now with james fairlie, who's a potato farmer, and denis macshane, former labour minister of state for europe , who's here of state for europe, who's here in the studio. good to see you both this morning, dennis, explain this to us in a way that is going to make if you're a farmer, if you're involved in the business, this is all very relevant for the rest of us. we don't quite understand what's going on. >> well, i think we do. i mean, the coverage of farming i've been doing european politics for decades, and it's a number one issue in europe. i agree, in britain it isn't. and it would have been much more helpful if mr poots , as former first mr poots, as former first minister of northern ireland, had actually told the truth to bons had actually told the truth to boris johnson and nigel farage that leaving the european union would be devastating for farmers and for fishers, fishers, fishermen, fisher women have got lots of stats and i'm sure mr fairlie has as well, that it's just devastated. export markets.

we've lost all the subsidies, believe me , the gentlemen of believe me, the gentlemen of whitehall don't give a monkey's about farmers. europeans did so perhaps we could just have our farming industry back in the eu. it all will be better? >> james, let's bring you in on this one. i mean, how bad is it on farms at the moment? because if you look across europe as well, it must be tough. there because we've seen the farmers protest in holland and in france too. >> well, exactly , you know, it's >> well, exactly, you know, it's not all about the roses in europe. it's actually worse because you see them protesting a lot harder than we are. i mean, we've, i mean, dennis, i have to go back to you talking about we don't get any subsidies. well, we're still getting our full subsidy . our getting our full subsidy. our export markets are still open, the seed industry has been very tight this year, for potatoes in scotland, because the seed is just not there. and we're doing a lot of exporting. so in terms

of, receiving subsidy , why of, receiving subsidy, why should an industry like ours have to survive on the back of getting a subsidy? can we not just survive and actually getting paid a fair price for what we do? >> oh, dennis, i mean, that's a great point. >> it's a it's a great point. i mean, i love to have a fair price for appearing on gb news, but have to accept what but i have to accept what they're prepared to me. you they're prepared to pay me. you get jim, and probably it's get one, jim, and probably it's an overgenerous a an overgenerous one. it's a bonng an overgenerous one. it's a boring thing called market. boring thing called the market. we it. don't want to we all like it. we don't want to spend more on cars to pay for, you know, car workers as it were. but in general, in europe, i mean, i know follow all i mean, i know i follow all these problems in, in europe and these problems in, in europe and the french farmers. i lived in france for 15 years, believe mih james jim, if i may, they go they do that every winter as a regular winter ritual of the tractors dumping the dung in front of the local politicians offices . but that said, the offices. but that said, the number of people on farms has declined dramatically. the investment isn't going into

farming, but i was in france , farming, but i was in france, this sort of seaside resort, a bit like brighton, if you like , bit like brighton, if you like, over the easter weekend with grandchildren and they're all there . supermarkets put local there. supermarkets put local produce at the front of the stall. they really promote french food disaster. do that . french food disaster. do that. does tesco do that? does sainsbury's, marks and spencer's just across the road from here in gb news? no, and we should do far more to support our farmers in britain like they do in the continent. but you won't find a tory minister who's interested in looking again at this. tory minister who's interested in looking again at this . this in looking again at this. this is the worst failure of a brexit. there are many other failures, but this is the worst one. and you're right to say it's cost us great damage. and i don't know , anybody's got the don't know, anybody's got the guts to try and put it right. >> james, we are almost out of time. so just last word to you. yeah just on that. >> you know what you're saying there, dennis doesn't really back up being in the eu because actually what we're doing is

we're making it harder for imports to come in from the eu. so we are supporting british farmers . we have more british farmers. we have more british produce on the shelves now. what we have to stop is the imports from australia and new zealand of cheaper lamb and beef. that's a bigger issue . they're not even a bigger issue. they're not even part of the eu. i mean, we, we don't want to get run by people in brussels telling us how to farm our land here, that, that that just doesn't work by self elected people , all poor elected people, all poor aussies, oh poor new zealanders . aussies, oh poor new zealanders. >> well, we're out of time. it's good to talk to you both. this morning. thanks very much indeed. >> now to stay with us. paul coyte is going to be in the studio and he'll be speaking to olympic swimmer mark foster. that's

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spitz moustache. and i always wondered that if you're swimming, does the moustache, you know you know it would do now slow you down slightly. >> wouldn't be a dynamic. >> wouldn't be a dynamic. >> it is. we all shave. >>— >> it is. we all shave. >> it's about arrogance and everything. >> their armpits and >> now, when their armpits and the whole shebang, they? the whole shebang, don't they? >> thought we may speak >> well, i thought we may speak a little professional swimming. oh, a little professional swimming. 0h, peaty, oh, and talk about adam peaty, the man. well five time olympian, time world olympian, six time world champion, eight time world record moustache record holder and no moustache to mark foster. to be seen. mark foster. morning, mark. >> morning. how you doing? >> morning. how are you doing? yeah, i, i never grew enough facial hair to have a moustache . facial hair to have a moustache. >> i mean, would it cut through the water easily? i think of spitz back in 72 and wilkie in 76. you know, it was all very stylish, but it couldn't help the swimming. surely >> well, i think as as over the decades and things changed an awful lot. we became became awful lot. we became it became evident that less was better. and i'm not saying a little moustache would have made a huge amount of difference. it might have made 100th of a second difference. it might have made no difference. but if it made

100th second difference, we 100th of a second difference, we all the difference all know that's the difference between and between breaking records and winning would have winning medals. so it would have made difference. but then back made a difference. but then back then didn't swim hats. then they didn't wear swim hats. so the hair was out. so obviously the hair was out. yeah, and they had probably yeah, and also they had probably not streamlined not the most streamlined swimwear same so swimwear at the same time. so things have changed awful lot things have changed an awful lot and developed. >> have. actually we i >> they have. and actually we i didn't think this would be a swimming facial hair interview, but even so, adam peaty, though, did wear the moustache for a while. but i do want to talk about adam peaty because he's back well again, and it back swimming well again, and it has tough three years for has been a tough three years for adam hasn't it. has been a tough three years for adeyeah,;n't it. has been a tough three years for adeyeah, he it. has been a tough three years for adeyeah, he well he won the >> yeah, he well he won the olympics for the second time. that's never been done by any british before. pretty british swimmer before. pretty british swimmer before. pretty british and he british athlete either. and he wanted out, i think he wanted some time out, i think he sort talked openly about his sort of talked openly about his sort of talked openly about his sort struggles . yeah, you sort of struggles. yeah, you know, do go from when know, where do you go from when you out to become olympic you set out to become olympic champion? do it, then champion? then you do it, then you it again and you kind of you do it again and you kind of 9°, you do it again and you kind of go, do i go now? i'm go, well, where do i go now? i'm sort unbeatable. but to go sort of unbeatable. but to go through on the trot would be amazing. he took some out. amazing. he took some time out. he dancing, he he did strictly come dancing, he did things. he sort

did some other things. he sort of found himself a little bit, i think, found a little of think, found a little bit of motivation again, and now he's getting towards best. motivation again, and now he's gett he towards best. motivation again, and now he's gett he won'ttowards best. motivation again, and now he's gett he won't haveds best. motivation again, and now he's getthe won't have his, best. motivation again, and now he's getthe won't have his, hisest. motivation again, and now he's getthe won't have his, his own but he won't have his, his own way when it comes to olympics. there's a chinese swimmer that won last year. that won the worlds last year. that was but it's was very, very quick. but it's good smiling, happy good to see him smiling, happy and potentially back to being the best adam peaty can be. >> because this is going to be the hardest thing, isn't it? i mean, it's one thing when you're on programme you're on that programme and you're on that of heading that train of just heading towards olympics every time, towards the olympics every time, but to stop and then start but then to stop and then start again. he wins in again. surely if he wins in paris, this would be just the greatest achievement ever, wouldn't it? >> yeah. three, three olympics on the trot. i mean, you kind of forget. or maybe you don't. maybe, do, he's 29 years maybe, but i do, he's 29 years of age, and he could potentially go another olympics if he wants to. i mean, i didn't retire till till 38 years of age because basically, i love what i did and i didn't want it to finish. but if he goes through on the trot, it'll only be 29 years of age. potentially. he's more potentially. he's got more in the tank. continue if he

the tank. he can continue if he likes to, but listen, it's an amazing story. from achieving it once to twice, potentially three times. he seems so much happier. so he's he's he's he didn't give birth, but he's had a child, i know he's in the new relationship now, he just seems in a different place. and i think, you know, throughout life, we all go through different stages of our life, so to speak. and, we've sort of seen a different side of him, i think. i think a little bit of a softer side. i don't think he'll be soft when he gets in the water. i think that that killer instinct is still there, but it's in another side of adam. >> one more thing. and that is, i imagine, straight after the olympics. must be the olympics. that must be the most difficult time for athlete, difficult time for any athlete, because, you've got because, you know, you've got four go. although it's four years to go. although it's three years in this case. that must be. there's always a there must be. there's always a there must a lull right? straight must be a lull right? straight after a major after winning a major championship after winning a major chayeah.|ship after winning a major chayeah. because so >> yeah. because you so everything's geared around i mean in athletics terms, you know, minor, minor minority sport terms, the olympics is the be all and end all. so it's a

four year period. it finishes, you let your hair down. let's say it goes. you go through olympics is end of july end of august. you're kind of going okay, another four year cycle okay. it's break broken down every you've got a world every year. you've got a world championships european championships at european championships and commonwealth games. goal. games. so there's a yearly goal. but the ultimate aim and what every swimmer wants to do when they they sort of they when they first sort of represent their is go represent their countries is go to olympic games, is win an to the olympic games, is win an olympic medal, to speak. so olympic medal, so to speak. so yeah, know, we all look at yeah, you know, we all look at things different ways. things in different ways. i looked at it in terms of swimming is a game. looked at it in terms of swimming is a game . and as kids swimming is a game. and as kids we all love playing games. and that's why we got into sport in the first place. and i kind of like i felt very lucky that sport a game was my living. sport or a game was my living. so i kind of just every day was, was a blessing in a sense. but yeah, it's hard to pick yourself up and it's ultimately any athlete will tell you every day they're beating themselves up physically. they're trying to push to extremes . push their body to extremes. we're going to have to leave it.

>> we're going to have to leave it appreciate it there. i really appreciate your let his hair your time. he has let his hair down has his case or they, in down or has his case or they, in the old days, let the moustache down. was what, the way they used do it back in the 70s. used to do it back in the 70s. mark, it's really good to speak to you. enjoy the rest of the trials. for your trials. thanks a lot for your time. bye. thanks very time. yes. bye. thanks very much. foster swimming much. mark foster swimming trials the olympic pool trials are at the olympic pool in stratford until the rest of the by the the week, by the way. >> lovely paul. thank you >> lovely stuff, paul. thank you very indeed. very much indeed. >> much. >> thanks very much. >> thanks very much. >> thanks very much. >> thank there go. >> thanks very much. >> right. there go. >> right. >> right. >> he has managed to got the ring pinch the if you want ring pinch the ring if you want to send me an offer, no. >> get your paws off. >> get your paws off. >> tweet me. >> tweet me. >> all right. we've got £50. we've got the. you've the we've got the. you've got the papers heading way in just papers heading your way in just a

>> let's have a quick look at the papers for you this morning. with a pair of political commentators, andy williams and

suzanne evans. good to see you both this morning. >> here they are. >> here they are. >> oh, indeed . let's have >> oh, indeed. let's have a look, suzanne, at the telegraph online. joan cleverly says we cannot rely on cheap labour. oh, no. >> i mean, this was one of the main arguments that i remember talking about during the brexit campaign all those years ago in 2016. you know, there was this idea that we importing idea that we keep importing migrants do low paid jobs. migrants to do low paid jobs. therefore, there's more unemployment among people who are already here. and of course, the reason this is a story today is because from today there are new salary threshold for skilled, skilled workers. so now basically you can't come to the uk legally as a migrant to take a job unless you're earning at least £38,700. and of course, this is part of the government's attempt to try and get legal migration down. shocking figures. you remember, in 2022, 745,000 people coming to the uk legally , conservative party legally, conservative party manifesto all that way back

since 2010, saying they're going to get net migration down to the tens of thousands. and here we are, 745,000. so this is the latest in that package of measures to try and get it down. but it's got to be good too. you know we have people who desperately want to work in this country. wages have been artificially depressed i think by migration if we don't have that high migration, employers are inevitably going to have to pay are inevitably going to have to pay and wages are going to pay more and wages are going to go up. so let's see if it works. >> oh well andy, what do you make of it. >> well, i think the important thing we need to create thing is we need to create better country, better jobs in this country, higher quality jobs, better paid jobs. a more productive jobs. we need a more productive economy that's sluggish for economy that's been sluggish for all time. and in order all of this time. and in order to that, there needs be to do that, there needs to be a proper, all encompassing industrial strategy that looks at economy a massive at giving the economy a massive injection in the arm that it's needed for so long. >> whereas i can see the sense in that to a degree. but what you can't do, the implication for that is where you get rid of the other jobs . but the sort of

the other jobs. but the sort of more jobs , if you like, more basic jobs, if you like, are jobs which we need to be done. >> absolutely. and they are very important for the economy. they'll always be there. we can't that's can't have an economy that's ioo% can't have an economy that's 100% highly paid , really 100% really highly paid, really high quality jobs, but i think there are too many, low quality jobs in this economy. and it's britain is not working in that respect in the way that it once was. and i think we need to look at investing in the industries of the future to create better jobs for the next generation. >> and let's stick with >> okay. and let's stick with you shall we. this is the front page of the times. this morning. i wouldn't a tory. why. i wouldn't date a tory. why. young women are more left wing. >> so this is some new >> yeah. so this is some new research from the economist that shows there's a growing ideological divide between young men and women . so young men and young women. so young women are now most likely to describe themselves as very liberal. they're the most progressive demographic. and according to research and anecdotally, we're seeing this

bleed into the world of dating. so on dating apps , there is so on dating apps, there is a growing trend to sort of state your political preferences . and your political preferences. and if you're on the left, say, i'd never date a tory, you might remember there was a thing a few years ago where labour members were wearing badges that said, i've never kissed a tory. never kissed a tory. yeah, exactly. so this is like a really this is this is like a really significant phenomenon among in the world of dating, where people are kind of making decisions on who to date and not date based on what they're missing out on. >> they don't know what they're missing out on. you only have to look at nigel nelson and claire pearsall, we often have pearsall, who we often have reviewing papers together. reviewing the papers together. nigel's claire's to nigel's to the left, claire's to the right . nigel's to the left, claire's to the right. happy as larry? >> mean, that was really >> yeah, i mean, that was really interesting. andrew to you interesting. andrew to hear you say these young women who say that these young women who are this consider are doing this consider themselves be liberal. what themselves to be liberal. what they're is they're actually doing is proving completely proving they're completely illiberal by being so discriminatory against a significant majority of the population. but it's interesting, this story put me interesting, this story put me in mind of several, several stories that we've had the

stories that we've had in the past , based stories that we've had in the past, based on surveys which show categorically right wing women are more attractive. >> right. really >> right. really >> google it, google it. there have been several surveys proving this. absolutely. >> how can that be proven? >> how can that be proven? >> i don't know, surveys, polling i don't i don't think i'd dare google that . i'd dare google that. >> you never know what might p0p- >> do you think. yeah suzanne, do you think it is best to date if you've got the same political opinions? >> do you know what i mean? i'm far too old to be in the dating scene now, but i think it's really interesting. you look at, i assume, the way in which some of these dating apps work is they match you with they try and match you with people who are you. i think people who are like you. i think that's wrong. i think part of the excitement being with the excitement about being with somebody new getting a new somebody new is getting a new perspective learning, perspective about learning, having new interests, about getting and having new interests, about ge course, and having new interests, about ge course, there's and having new interests, about ge course, there's that and having new interests, about ge course, there's that famousd of course, there's that famous phrase, opposites phrase, isn't there opposites attract. i think if you just try and find somebody who's exactly like are, you're to like you are, you're going to fail, to be fail, and b, life's going to be a boring. a bit boring. >> yeah, i know, i think expand your horizons. >> there's in >> i think there's stuff in common, things common, but also things where you differ.

common, but also things where you buter. common, but also things where youbut ir. common, but also things where youbut i think, i think your >> but i think, i think your political approach to things, i think values, isn't it your think your values, isn't it your values . values. >> there is a values thing. so i definitely don't agree about being that narrowly prescriptive, but there are certain really significant and important values that people have where i think actually you probably do need to be quite aligned. >> yes, but that's not necessarily political, is it? >> necessarily >> it's not necessarily political. i don't agree with that. yeah, yeah. >> is different >> politics is different i think, values, political think, from values, political ideology. you can have ideology. i think you can have two different political parties. but actually when you look down into some of the issues, they've basically got the same values. they just argue about how they're going to that objective. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> well, it's difficult opposite opposites attract as you say. but you have, you know, sir but then you have, you know, sir philip davis and lady esther mcvey now are, and mcvey as they now are, and obviously very happily obviously they're very happily married, but also yvette cooper on the same side. >> yeah, same side. >> yeah, same side. >> us know what you think. >> let us know what you think. you definitely have a on. you would definitely have a on. >> esther's punching there. she's punching . she's punching. >> in a very very >> well she's in a very very attractive wing woman attractive right wing woman

isn't she. >> that's a good example. >> that's a good example. >> yeah. >> that's a good example. >> very. >> that's a good example. >> very attractive you know. >> very attractive you know. >> yes. you see. >>— >> yes. you see. >> there you go. proven, proven. there you go, suzanne . there you go, suzanne. >> punch. esther. yeah. >> punch. esther. yeah. >> us know. gb views >> yeah. let us know. gb views at gb news. com. we'd love to hear thoughts on that one. hear your thoughts on that one. >> have a look at jason >> can we have a look at jason donovan? >> he dressed up as >> oh, is he dressed up as doctor frank—n—furter? i don't know means. know what that means. >> he's rocky horror. >> oh, he's rocky horror. >> oh, he's rocky horror. >> rocky horror i do. >> he's in rocky horror i do. >> he's in rocky horror i do. >> we see that i do. >> we can see that i do. >>— >> we can see that i do. >> he has in london but he's he's now doing it somewhere else. i forget where but else. i forget where now. but i do hope we can see the picture because we haven't got picture. >> amazing. here we go, here we go. great. >> darrell's. >> darrell's. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shirley bassey and donovan. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shi thatiassey and donovan. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shi that wasn'tand donovan. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shi that wasn't the donovan. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shi that wasn't the picture n. >> oh, oh, wonderful. it's shi that wasn't the picture i was >> that wasn't the picture i was looking earlier. there looking at earlier. oh, there was good picture of him was a very good picture of him in and suspenders. in stockings and suspenders. >> well, and more exciting. >> it's pre—watershed. that's it. yeah, exactly. great >> anyway, i have to say, really bad. not bad , but i just think bad. not bad, but i just think it was such a contrast with, you know, jason donovan. we all remember him in neighbours, don't we? scott and charlene, the perfect couple, totally

faithful other despite faithful to each other despite temptations as clean cut as anything. and now here he is as doctor frank and furter, letting it all hang out. >> yeah, well, there you go on. that we shall move on. that note, we shall move on. thank you. >> it's been good to see you both. thank you. here's your weather. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> looks like things heating >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some heavy rain in the south at first this morning, but that's clearing away to leave quite a few showers for many of us. but clearing away to leave quite a fevtake wers for many of us. but clearing away to leave quite a fevtake care for many of us. but clearing away to leave quite a fevtake care in' many of us. but clearing away to leave quite a fevtake care in them of us. but clearing away to leave quite a fevtake care in the southeast. ut do take care in the southeast. could some thundery downpours could be some thundery downpours for that clears for a time before that clears away. and then yes, scattering away. and then yes, a scattering of across many places, of showers across many places, these frequent across these most frequent across england . but there england and wales. but there should some decent bright should be some decent bright sunny the sunny spells in between the showers and in sunny showers and in these sunny breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with temperatures reaching highs of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places

staying in single digits, perhaps about getting into perhaps just about getting into double figures western double figures across western parts more wet to parts of scotland. more wet to weather come as we go through the end of the day and overnight swathes of rain pushing up from the this could be the southwest. this could be pretty and a bit pretty heavy and a bit persistent at times, so a pretty wet for most of us and wet night for most of us and some hill snow perhaps dropping to lower levels for to slightly lower levels for a time, as across parts of scotland across the far north of scotland across the far north of scotland across the far north of scotland a touch of scotland there may be a touch of frost here. otherwise staying pretty mild of the pretty mild because of the cloudy, and blustery weather cloudy, wet and blustery weather we do have some further blustery weather to come as we go through friday. is to be a wet friday. it is going to be a wet story across much of scotland, but gradually edging but the rain gradually edging its northwards we go its way northwards as we go through day, the hill through the day, taking the hill snow otherwise snow with it. otherwise outbreaks showery rain , which outbreaks of showery rain, which are to be heaviest and are likely to be heaviest and most frequent parts of most frequent across parts of scotland ireland scotland and northern ireland towards and towards much of england and wales, actually largely dry and we are going to see our temperatures to 17 or 18 temperatures rising to 17 or 18 by a brighter outlook with boxt solar to sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> morning to you. it's 9:00 on thursday, the 4th of april. today, the prime minister threatens to sever ties with the european court of human rights over rwanda plan . over his rwanda plan. >> us rishi sunak desperately wants to get people on flights to rwanda. he's heavily hinting now that that means he will support withdrawing from the echn support withdrawing from the echr. if that's what it takes. >> a labour landslide a new poll reveals tories could suffer the worst election defeat on record, with sir keir starmer's party predicted to win 400 seats. new guidelines reveal judges should consider more lenient sentences for criminals from disadvantaged backgrounds amid concerns it would create a divide with the

middle classes. would create a divide with the middle classes . british farmers middle classes. british farmers launch a campaign to demand universal basic income for agricultural workers in a bid to improve their financial security i >> morning watch out for some heavy, possibly thundery downpours in the south—east first thing this morning. otherwise there'll be a few showers around and feeling pleasantly in bright or pleasantly warm in any bright or sunny spells. i'll have the forecast . forecast later. >> morning to you. >> morning to you. >> i'm stephen dixon and i'm ellie costello and this is breakfast on gb news. >> just to say, because i was being slightly cheeky about esther mcvey earlier on, she has messaged to say she's watching, so i'm in a whole heap of trouble. >> i bet you are. didn't think about that one, did you? >> morning, esther, i did. he's teasing you, esther. >> he loves you just as much as he philip. he loves sir philip. >> love esther being me, >> yeah, i love esther being me,

esther went out for esther and phil went out for breakfast one morning. >> you? >> did you? >> did you? >> really? and it was. you know, it was one of the best sort of hours had ages because hours i've had in ages because we it's like three we were just. it's like three northerners having right good northerners having a right good go have a good giggle. go up. you have a good giggle. it proper northern. was it was proper northern. it was just lovely. was really fun. just lovely. it was really fun. >> where'd she go? >> oh, where'd she go? >> oh, where'd she go? >> just round corner. >> just round the corner. >> just round the corner. >> why i invited? >> why wasn't i invited? >> why wasn't i invited? >> i don't know, you're famous. you're you're essex. you're from. you're from essex. i an honorary northerner. i can be an honorary northerner. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> sometimes. if you're a northerner, you know what it's like. you just need to get with a few of your own. yeah, and. >> and i know when i'm not wanted. >> let the northern out. all right, there you go. >> you go and have your northern brunch. >> that's really nice. >> that's really nice. >> i'll here. >> i'll be here. >> i'll be here. >> it's really nice because sometimes you're down this sometimes when you're down this end the you can't end of the country, you can't be. you can't be your true self, i was just going to say very quickly the, offenders thing, quickly on the, offenders thing, and i've lost me. >> you can find it. >> you can find it. >> is it last one? no. this one. >>— >> is it last one? no. this one. >> jeff in rotherham >> is it last one? no. this one. >went jeff in rotherham >> is it last one? no. this one. >went to jeff in rotherham >> is it last one? no. this one. >went to prison eff in rotherham >> is it last one? no. this one. >went to prison in, in rotherham

>> is it last one? no. this one. >went to prison in, in the 1erham i went to prison in, in the 1980s for 17 months of one mistake of mis accounting, i've since been unable to a since been unable to get a job because want police because all jobs want police checks. soon as that checks. and as soon as that shows, not considered for shows, i'm not considered for even an interview. can't do anything to with children. anything to do with children. even the offence has even though the offence has nothing do children . and nothing to do with children. and so stop people re—offending, so to stop people re—offending, employers people who set employers and the people who set the guidelines look the the guidelines must look at the circumstances of offence and circumstances of the offence and give to get give people a fair chance to get back i think that's a back into work. i think that's a really valid point. >> it is a really valid point. >> it is a really valid point. >> yeah, actually about >> yeah, actually all about rehabilitation, isn't it? and re—entering and re—entering society and being a fully fledged member of that society well. society as well. >> you want to contribute. you want contribute want people to contribute positively wants want people to contribute po come y wants want people to contribute po comey of wants want people to contribute po comey of otherwise to come out of prison. otherwise what's point anyway? thanks what's the point anyway? thanks for getting in touch, jeff. about that one, should we have a look at our main news today? >> let's get. >> let's get. >> the prime minister has suggested he will pull out of the european court of human rights if it stands in the way of migration scheme. of his rwanda migration scheme. >> the prime minister said controlling illegal immigration is him than is more important to him than membership of the legal body.

and he wouldn't let, as he called it, a foreign court, interfere in sovereign affairs . interfere in sovereign affairs. >> well, let's get the thoughts of our political correspondent, katherine forster who is live in westminster for good to see westminster for us. good to see you, catherine. and sunak you, catherine. and rishi sunak is so determined to see is clearly so determined to see these to rwanda take off these flights to rwanda take off that he threatening to sever that he is threatening to sever ties. that he is threatening to sever fies.the that he is threatening to sever ties. the echr . ties. the echr. >> yes he is. remember, it's one of his five pledges. they haven't been going terribly well, have they? and you know, labour are forecast currently to be on course for a landslide. so he is very, very keen if not to stop the boats as he promised at least to get a number of people on flights to rwanda before the next election. now the safety of rwanda bill is making its way through parliament. they faced a big battle in the house of lords. when it passes, it's very possible indeed. it will be challenged in the courts again , challenged in the courts again, previous attempts to send people to rwanda have been blocked by

the european court. also worth saying by british courts too. so rishi sunak is now saying that he regards tackling illegal immigration as more important than abiding by the strictures of a european court, calling it a foreign court that will appeal to a lot of voters , towards the to a lot of voters, towards the right potential conservative voters who might be toyed with voting for reform and also appeal to a number of mps in his own party. people like suella braverman, the former home secretary that's been calling for this for a long time. worth saying, though it will, horrify quite a number of more centrist, conservative mps with the one nafion conservative mps with the one nation group. it may even lead to cabinet resignations if it happens and it might also alienate quite a number of conservative voters down south who might then possibly go and

vote for the lib dems. so nothing easy about this. i think he really, really does not want to go there, but it is possible that depending on on the local election results in may, depending on whether he gets people onto flights , that he may people onto flights, that he may feel he's got no choice but to make this a manifesto pledge to pull out of the echr and going into the next election , that into the next election, that election, of course, we don't know when it will be. it is possible it might be in the summer, more likely towards the end of the year. >> okay. katherine forster there for in westminster. thank you for us in westminster. thank you very much indeed. >> now, you've been covering >> now, as you've been covering all morning, actually, it's got you going on the emails judges have told to consider more have been told to consider more lenient for offenders lenient sentences for offenders from deprived backgrounds. lenient sentences for offenders froryes,prived backgrounds. lenient sentences for offenders froryes,privesentencing nds. lenient sentences for offenders froryes,privesentencing council >> yes, the sentencing council has for the first time explained the mitigating factors that include poverty, low educational attainment, experience of discrimination and insecure

housing. well, earlier we spoke to former metropolitan police detective peter bleksley , and detective peter bleksley, and she's always have done and they always will do. >> they do not need it laying out from a body. the sentencing council formed in 2010, which, with this ridiculous set of guidelines, has just shown how unfit for purpose it is. judges take these factors into account. this is deeply insulting to anyone who was born into poverty, who was not particularly academic, who went on to make a decent living, contributing to society and quite frankly , it's just shown quite frankly, it's just shown that this council that was established in 2010 is not fit for purpose and should be abolished forthwith . abolished forthwith. >> and, you know, peter, depending on whatever background you're from, whether that's upper class, whether it's whether you're born into poverty , you should know the difference between right and wrong. surely absolutely. >> and we should all be judged as equals in the eyes of the

law. but this just flies in the face of all that. and let's look at the broader picture here in the uk, sadly, our streets are becoming increasingly lawless. we have an absolute epidemic of shoplifting and assaults on, retail staff. there's massive increase in violent crime. car crime is dreadful. burglary none of these are being investigated. nobody's being caught. so on those occasions when people are arrested, charged , put in front arrested, charged, put in front of a court and convicted, what what are people going to do now? they're simply going to say, i came from a tough background. life was hard for me. so please give me a lesser sentence. there are no deterrence these days, which is why, sadly, crime does pay- >> you say this highlights the need to basically get rid of the sentencing council, but isn't it necessary, peter? >> i mean, is it to provide those guidelines so that judges up and down the country are are

sentencing in a similar way ? sentencing in a similar way? >> it's these guidelines that have led to so many sentences that have had the public and the media up in arms in recent years. this body was only formed 14 years ago. it's not like it's cemented into the very heart and soul of our judiciary. and having been in many, many courts and in front of many, many judges as a witness, i hasten to add, rather than a defendant, i've always, erred on the side of trusting the wisdom of judges to come to their decisions as it is judges who hear all the facts of a case and not the sentencing council. so i think this kind of prescriptive, instructions that are being handed down are damaging. they tie the hands of judges very often, and consequently people do not receive the suitable punishments that they should . that they should. >> do you fear that this will excuse criminality ? renee. excuse criminality? renee. >> yes. and that's why it's so

deeply insulting to people like me who came from a rather impoverished background . please impoverished background. please forgive me, who came from a rather impoverished background, didn't achieve particularly well at school and then went on to live a law abiding life. it's so , so insulting to people to just say, well, if you're if you're starting life is difficult, then we'll understand . if you go off we'll understand. if you go off and have a life of crime. utterly insulting . utterly insulting. >> now british farmers have launched a campaign to demand universal, universal basic income for agricultural workers income for agricultural workers in a bid to improve financial security within the sector . security within the sector. >> well before brexit, farmers heavily relied on eu subsidies. but now the government are having to replace this with other schemes. >> well, according to a report, the new systems won't actually plug the new systems won't actually plug the funding gap that's led set to be left during this transition period. >> well, gb news northern

ireland reporter dougie beattie joins us now. very good morning to you, dougie. it is very difficult on farms right now isn't it . isn't it. >> it's extremely difficult. input costs are up over 35% and farms. but that's as we've been reporting on gb news for the past couple of years. the price of fertiliser went up. and especially those environmental issues that are there and of course that farmers are receiving even less for their their milk prices. but, you know, we get milk prices and people say, oh, well, it's cheapen people say, oh, well, it's cheaper. and tesco's well, that's not including the price of cheese has gone up. the price of cheese has gone up. the price of milk chocolate has gone up, price of yoghurts have gone up. these are all by products of dairy course this dairy farms. and of course this is hitting farmers when they're asked to do things like ammonia, nitrate , taxations on methane. nitrate, taxations on methane. and of course then we have the tree planting situation where good ground is going to be planted in the trees in to order force these environmental issues. and then on top of it, food prices with the inflation

have been getting forced down. so why that 35% is on input costs is going up on the farm. the farmer's income is coming down. so it's not so much that we came out of out of europe. it's the fact i mean i mean french farmers are about 40% less than the average wage in france. so it's usually it's right across europe leaving europe wasn't the problem. as such, it is with trade. but actually joining me now is edwin poots. and he was the former agriculture minister for northern ireland and was in those negotiations when we were trying to sort out what would happen with our single farm payment, etc. and edwin, i mean, what sort of challenges were you coming against with civil servants? >> well, a lot of civil servants don't understand agriculture, and that's a big problem, particularly in britain. a lot of them are london based, and they're westminster centric, so they're westminster centric, so they get what's going they don't get it. what's going on in cornwall or durham or

northumbria or in scotland , northumbria or in scotland, wales and northern ireland and northern ireland isn't so bad. our civil servants, lot of our civil servants, a lot of them had agricultural them have had agricultural backgrounds, agriculture degrees and well placed. but in and we are well placed. but in terms of farms, you know, we need more efficiency in our farms because you've just talked about the prices being reduced , about the prices being reduced, milk has come down 40, but tesco's etc. haven't reduced the price of butter, cheese and all of those other products by anything like that. so the consumer is paying more while the farmer is getting less. and britain needs to invest in its farmers. and the equipment behind me is all british. the tractor is made in england. the tanker is made in county armagh. the piece of equipment in the back of is made in county back of it is made in county down, and that piece of equipment, which reduces the amount goes into amount of ammonia that goes into atmosphere, improves atmosphere, it improves the amount that goes amount of nutrients that goes into soil. that's an into the soil. that's an investment the investment which helps the farmer helps environment farmer and helps the environment at and we need to at the same time. and we need to have of that sensible have more of that sensible planting waterways and planting along waterways and very steep areas and so forth,

marginal areas, as opposed to planting out good land and trees, we can do so much more for the environment and but also ensure that we can make our farms more efficient at the same time. >> well, and of course, on the 30th of april, the uk will be hit with the same sort of problems that we had, and i've been reporting the last been reporting on it the last two years the protocol and two years with the protocol and with charges into with the charges going into food, coming to great britain food, coming in to great britain in order to look after those border posts . so that means that border posts. so that means that really you will be so much better off if you buy british food . it is the cheap imports food. it is the cheap imports that's coming in and arriving on our supermarket shelves that is really doing damage to farming throughout the uk . throughout the uk. >> okay, dougie, thanks very much indeed . much indeed. >> now coming up at 930, britain's newsroom with andrew pierce and bev turner. and we're already having a giggle, aren't we? we are always good luck. you're here till midday. yeah. >> yes we are. >>— >> yes we are. >> we've just been discussing,

haven't this, softer haven't we, this, softer sentences for people from depnved sentences for people from deprived backgrounds, i have a little bit of sympathy for this. >> she's going soft. well, liberal. what's becoming of it? you know, why should we make allowances for where they come from? >> well, if they've had a particularly judges will take judges, take people's life chances account. chances into account. >> we do not need a prescriptive. no. >> but that's but that's >> yes, but that's but that's sentencing. >> but that doesn't make bev liberal it. if she's just liberal does it. if she's just saying well that happens anyway. >> going liberal. she's >> no she's going liberal. she's got with it's got sympathy with this. it's outrageous, patronising, insulting . think insulting to people. i think it's working background. it's a working class background. >> just a sort of >> i think it's just a sort of bit of sympathy that some people are just born into really difficult families are are just born into really difficiwithimilies are are just born into really difficiwith crime are are just born into really difficiwith crime and are are just born into really difficiwith crime and therefore riven with crime and therefore there is inevitability that they will take over. that mantle of going into crime as well. i guess what's more important is what do you do with these people when they are in prison, and give them a softer sentence by all means, but also give them purpose, them sport, give purpose, give them sport, give them education, them, know, them education, take them, know, give confidence. give them confidence. >> some do come and

reoffend. >> yeah, but yeah that's because they're not properly rehabilitated. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah i'm also rather fascinated page of fascinated by this front page of the story that there are the mail story that there are going to who've been going to be mps who've been caught a honey trap, sex caught in a honey trap, sex sting, the kind of thing that actually tabloid journalists used to do. >> yeah. anymore, anymore. >> the speculation is that >> now, the speculation is that it be a rogue political it might be a rogue political state. >> has anyone actually been caught they've been caught it or they've just been targeted? well, more will >> who knows? well, more will come on this i think. come out on this one. i think. and will the names come out? because a lot of because there's quite a lot of interestingly, was not just interestingly, it was not just mps. who for mps mps. people who work for mps have targeted too, and have been targeted too, and i nofice have been targeted too, and i notice a lot of them are labour staffers. so this is a sign whoever's behind can see whoever's behind this can see where pendulum of power is where the pendulum of power is swinging labour. >> the worst rivers in >> and also the worst rivers in the uk. we're going to be sending one of our reporters to get some water out of one of the worst rivers. >> but we're not going to make a ticket because we'd like to see her again. >> yeah. it's grim. >> yeah. it's grim. >> i mean, this i don't know what to make of the state our what to make of the state of our water at moment. water at the moment. >> it's terrible. it's soda

companies. cheaper for companies. it's cheaper for them to stuff the river and to the stuff in the river and pay to the stuff in the river and pay fine, rather than deal pay a fine, rather than deal with it properly. it's a shocker i >> -- >> how do you stop that? >> how do you stop that? >> i honestly think i'm not normally a fan of this, but we need some reservoirs. >> we need some. >> we need some. >> we need a lot of reservoirs. and i would probably take water back into public ownership. which are again, which which you are again, which the labour as their policy. >> and they've now abandoned it. >> and they've now abandoned it. >> and they've now abandoned it. >> and we're going live to tenerife find out why brits >> and we're going live to tenerifeare find out why brits >> and we're going live to tenerifeare find ya t why brits >> and we're going live to tenerifeare find ya problem.ts abroad are such a problem. >> you got. we haven't >> oh, have you got. we haven't sent someone tenerife. sent someone to tenerife. >> we've got, we're talking, we're a bar owner we're talking to a bar owner who's that who's very unhappy that the locals tourists locals want british tourists out. would be the end out. well, that would be the end of their. >> well, they need us, don't they? need us brits. they? they need us brits. >> do, we need to behave >> you do, but we need to behave while we're out there. >> yeah, be careful >> well, yeah, but be careful what wish for. what you wish for. >> always, i always do. >> i always, i always do. >> i always, i always do. >> i always, i always do. >> i don't even drink. >> i don't even drink. >> andrew doesn't stop you misbehaving. you're.you're misbehaving. if you're. you're teetotal. you. teetotal. thank you. >> true. i just chew on >> so not true. i just chew on an have a glass of an olive and have a glass of water. do, very good. water. well, i do, very good. >> thank you. all right. you two are fast. >> now. it's biggest >> now. it's our biggest

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>> now yorkshire has four of the top ten worst rivers in the country for sewage dumping. >> apparently with tens of thousands of spillages taking place right across the county. >> but some water firms are taking action, with yorkshire water recently completing a new 835 metre sewer designed to prevent storm overflows. >> well, let's talk to our yorkshire and humber reporter, anna riley. morning, anna. >> good morning to you both. well, i'm here at the river wharfe in wetherby, a very picturesque spot as you can see.

it's a place where people come to paddle. they come for picnics and people even swim here in this river. but it's on the list that the liberal democrats have released it. as to one of the most polluted in england, they've put a list of 20 together. and four, as you mentioned , out of the top ten mentioned, out of the top ten list of most polluted rivers are found here in yorkshire. now, sir ed davey will be calling for a blue flag status, the leader of the lib dems calling for a blue flag status for rivers to reduce the amount of sewage that water companies can pump into them as part of this blue flag status. that would give reassurance to swimmers and people going into the river, and that they won't get ill from contamination. and it also be fining companies as well, water companies that are releasing spills into the river. i'm just leaning forward because i've actually took a scoop of water

from the river here behind me. i don't know if you can see against this white background that i've got. it is discoloured some river water is naturally a brown. i can't see anything floating in here. don't worry, i'm not going to drink it, but it just shows that you don't know exactly what is in the water. as you can see here. and if you are a swimmer and you do take in contaminated water, it can cause a lot of problems . it can cause a lot of problems. it can cause a lot of problems. it can lead to gastrointestinal problems , stomach bugs that can problems, stomach bugs that can become serious, diarrhoea, vomiting , also respiratory vomiting, also respiratory infections, ear infections, eye infections, ear infections, eye infections, lots of nasty stuff that you don't necessarily want. so that's why this blue flag status has been put in place. the government currently are putting in plans to upgrade water systems to the body. water uk also is and as you mentioned earlier, yorkshire water are doing a lot to improve systems, including £180 million scheme by

april 2025 to improve the drainage system. so we're not getting as much sewer , water getting as much sewer, water into rivers. >> okay, anna. thank you. >> okay, anna. thank you. >> don't be drinking that water. oh, no, thanks very much. >> grim, isn't it? britain's newsroom is up next. but first, here's your weather with alex. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello. very good morning to you. welcome to your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there are some heavy rain in the south at first this morning, but that's clearing to leave quite clearing away to leave quite a few showers many of us. but few showers for many of us. but do the southeast. do take care in the southeast. could be some thundery downpours for clears for a time before that clears away. then yes, a scattering away. and then yes, a scattering of across many places. of showers across many places. these most frequent across england there england and wales. but there should be decent bright should be some decent bright sunny spells in between the showers and in these sunny breaks . feeling pleasantly warm breaks. feeling pleasantly warm with reaching highs

with temperatures reaching highs of around 15 or 16 celsius. quite colder than this. quite a bit colder than this. further north, most places staying in single digits, perhaps just about getting into double figures across western parts scotland . more wet parts of scotland. more wet weather to come as we go through the of the day and overnight weather to come as we go through tiswathesf the day and overnight weather to come as we go through tiswathesf tirainay and overnight weather to come as we go through tiswathesf tirain pushing/ernight weather to come as we go through tiswathesf tirain pushing upright weather to come as we go through tiswathe;f tirain pushing upright weather to come as we go through tiswathe southwest.;hing upright weather to come as we go through tiswathe southwest.;hing could ht from the southwest. this could be pretty heavy and a bit persistent at times, so a pretty wet night for most of us and some hill snow perhaps dropping to levels for to slightly lower levels for a time, across parts of time, as across parts of scotland across the far north of scotland, there may be a touch of frost here, otherwise staying pretty mild of the pretty mild because of the cloudy, and blustery cloudy, wet and blustery weather. we do have some further blustery weather to come we blustery weather to come as we go it is going go through friday. it is going to a wet story across much of to be a wet story across much of scotland , but the rain gradually scotland, but the rain gradually edging way northwards as we scotland, but the rain gradually edgthrough nay northwards as we scotland, but the rain gradually edgthrough the northwards as we scotland, but the rain gradually edgthrough the day, |wards as we scotland, but the rain gradually edgthrough the day, taking as we scotland, but the rain gradually edgthrough the day, taking the re go through the day, taking the hill with otherwise hill snow with it. otherwise outbreaks rain , which outbreaks of showery rain, which are likely to be heaviest and most frequent across parts of scotland and northern ireland towards and towards much of england and wales, largely dry and wales, actually largely dry and we see our we are going to see our temperatures rising to 17 or 18

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