two i'll keeping next two hours, i'll be keeping you tv, online and on you company on tv, online and on digital radio. got a digital radio. we've got a cracking coming up for you, cracking show coming up for you, so dare anywhere right .7 so don't dare go anywhere right.7 angela facing fresh angela rayner is facing fresh questions tax affairs. questions over her tax affairs. she she has done she maintains she has done absolutely but absolutely nothing wrong, but how damaging could it be for her party in an election year .7 then party in an election year? then on the other side of the coin, we have boris johnson, who says it would be insane to ban arms sales israel, and his sales to israel, and his criticised the foreign secretary for it out. but for failing to rule it out. but is bojo right? and research shows are more likely shows young men are more likely to be right wing, while young women are more likely to be left leaning. why might that be? and are we ever going to have any more babies at this rate? discussing that with my panel. but strangely enough, this show isn't about me waffling on. it's about you and what you think your views so let me know your thoughts on all the stories we're talking about today or anything else you want to gossip

about. basically very simple. email me at gb views at gb news. com or message me on our socials. we're at gb news. but first it's news headline time with . with ray addison. >> 1:01. good afternoon, i'm ray harrison in the gb newsroom . our harrison in the gb newsroom. our top stories. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october 7th terror attacks, mark the occasion. the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . well, meanwhile, the swiftly. well, meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional . writing in the unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there is no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers, and added that this must never

happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on april 1st. former chair of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood, told us the uk will be obuged ellwood, told us the uk will be obliged to stop arms sales if israel has broken international law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree with israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is, what's the governance structure that it's working towards, what is going to be the post security environment that it's building? what seeing is actually in what we're seeing is actually in information, seeing this , information, we're seeing this, conflict spread beyond the middle because of what's middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing, is why david cameron doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs to be conditions on what's going on. >> the deputy prime minister has denied claims that uk is denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed

forces minister james heappey told the telegraph that only ministry of defence officials attended a wartime preparation exercise , which was meant for exercise, which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying that too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away . but oliver dowden will go away. but oliver dowden told gb news they're putting in the necessary work, but i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. >> it is the case that we carry out wide scale , exercising out wide scale, exercising programmes across government. indeedi programmes across government. indeed i did one recently for a national power outage involving several thousand different people across government. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably our effort. >> a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a human torso at a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester

police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. chief superintendent tony crowley says the suspect, who is from the local area, will be questioned today. local area, will be questioned today . two people have been today. two people have been arrested on suspicion of murder after human remains were discovered in a park in south london, the met police say a 44 year old man and a 48 year old woman are now in custody after the body parts were found in roland fields in croydon. the force say they believe the remains are those of one person. however, they have been unable to formally identify the victim at this time. a post—mortem examination is expected to take place today. well scotland remains at risk of power cuts and travel disruption as storm kathleen continues to bring strong gusts and heavy rain . strong gusts and heavy rain. flood warnings have been in place and the met office has

issued a new yellow wind warning affecting the east and northern highlands , the isle of skye and highlands, the isle of skye and the hebrides. two yesterday winds reached 73mph in drumalbyn , south lanarkshire. the scottish environmental protection agency are saying that there is real danger to life around causeways , coastal life around causeways, coastal roads and paths. meteorologist john kettley told us it's still causing problems. >> yes , storm kathleen, >> yes, storm kathleen, certainly creating a few problems in the north west of the country in particular, but it's blowing everywhere and it's still blowing pretty strongly this morning as well. i'm sure there are a few trampolines being a few garden being blown over, a few garden fences down well. fences coming down as well. kathleen is only just to the north—west of the hebrides. it's just easing slightly, but it's still an still gusting over 60 miles an hour the north—west hour in parts of the north—west this morning. >> for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code. it's on your screen now or go to gbnews.com/alerts. now it's back to gb news sunday with dawn .

with dawn. >> thank you very much, ray. now let's get straight into today's story, shall we? some good ones coming up. angela rayner is facing fresh questions over her tax affairs . it's been alleged tax affairs. it's been alleged that the deputy labour leader didn't pay enough tax on the sale of a home in stockport back in 2015, using photos on her own social media accounts. the mail on sunday today claims that she should have paid more capital gains tax because her house was not her primary property. rayner has always maintained she's done absolutely nothing wrong and said she's received expert tax advice, which confirmed her position. now, given this is an election year, you may have noficed election year, you may have noticed what should she or even starmer do for that matter. now ihave starmer do for that matter. now i have got the best panel ever. today i'm really pleased they're on with me. we are joined by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. lovely and the very lovely and long

suffering, i have to say, former conservative claire pearsall. so and this is for all of you, that yesterday they said, by the way, that nigel needed a firm hand occasionally. okay. well meet his firm hand and she is here to keep him in line now. so first of all we are going to start with claire rayner. now, this has been going on since very february . i has been going on since very february. i mean, it's really you know, it's sort of like you know, it's it does she pay the right amount tax. was she even committing electoral fraud because of where she lived and where she said she lived? da da da. very confusing story. but basically the bottom line is, has maybe not as been as as has she maybe not as been as as honest or is she a bit confused about where she was living at certain times? nigel. well, i mean , she says she's not mean, she says she's not confused at all, that she she's very clear what was her primary residence and her husband and children were living elsewhere, and she used to go and stay. >> nothing wrong with that. and if it was, if the, council house that she sold was the primary

residence , she was entitled to residence, she was entitled to do that and not pay any capital gains tax. what's going on here is the tories are looking for a scalp, having had so many of their own taken by by labour. so where we are with this one is that the mail on sunday are scrabbling around trying to find extra evidence. a few tweets doesn't constitute evidence that there was anything going wrong . there was anything going wrong. the issue at the moment is whether or not she should pubush whether or not she should publish her tax advice that she'd received, which she says clears her, my view there is that we don't know what else is there, what private, private information might be might be there. it's not the same as publishing your tax return as, say, rishi sunak and keir starmer do so i mean, this is basically just playing politics ahead of an election. >> stop picking on poor angela. >> stop picking on poor angela. >> it's quite outstanding, isn't it? from the labour party to turn around and say, well, there's nothing to see here. this is just the tories looking

for a scalp, when if the roles were reversed and this was a conservative member of parliament, everybody would be screeching from the rooftops. they sack them, screeching from the rooftops. the rid sack them, screeching from the rooftops. the rid of sack them, screeching from the rooftops. the rid of them. sack them, screeching from the rooftops. the rid of them. this sack them, screeching from the rooftops. the rid of them. this is ck them, get rid of them. this is outrageous. so i'm not sure that argument really stands up. and it's also about scalps. >> i mean , you lot have had so >> i mean, you lot have had so many, so many scalps taken on, and this is a legitimate scalp to take because it does look, it appears as if she has not paid the correct amount of tax. >> now, if it was a tory that had done that, of that, you would have been calling for people's resignations. so the labour party would be standing up there making sure that somebody stood. somebody had stood. >> i have to see >> i would have wanted to see the and at the moment, the evidence and at the moment, but demanding to but why aren't you demanding to see of angela see the evidence of angela rayner he have it? rayner that he can't have it? both ways in this situation, that no one's produced any evidence suggests she's evidence which suggests she's done wrong. done anything wrong. >> sorts of bits of >> there's all sorts of bits of suspicion around there, suspicion swirling around there, but evidence . and to but not direct evidence. and to come up with a few tweets that she made nearly ten years ago hardly constitutes any evidence

of wrongdoing. and the argument over the tax return is that, sorry, over the tax advice is , sorry, over the tax advice is, is that there may be personal stuff there, in which case she doesn't have to share it. somebody should have to come up with the real evidence to say she has done something wrong and no one has. >> we're supposed to just >> so we're supposed to just take expert advice. mean, take the expert advice. i mean, i expert advice off i could get expert advice off pretty anybody say, but pretty much anybody and say, but i've expert advice. it i've had some expert advice. it doesn't mean that it's correct. and why would you not want to put it out there? you can redact any other personal information , any other personal information, but that. have but you can redact that. have you had sharpie pen to go through? >> i think you gave me a sharpie pen. >> e one at home and you >> i've got one at home and you share the sharpie as well, that's even more shocking. but the is, right , that's even more shocking. but the is, right, keir the thing is, right, keir starmer backed her without starmer has backed her without even evidence even seeing any evidence himself. now, you know, i've run a newspaper. if someone was accused even of this sort of thing, i would have a quiet word and well, let's just go and say, well, let's just go through this show me that through this and show me that everything and we'll through this and show me that everytong and we'll through this and show me that everyton. keir and we'll through this and show me that everyton. keir starmerwe'll through this and show me that everyton. keir starmer says move on. keir starmer says that's fine bit. you know, i'm

that's fine a bit. you know, i'm nothing to see here. let's move on. >> keir starmer's team has seen this evidence in same way this evidence in the same way that rayner's team have that angela rayner's team have had look it. what keir had a look at it. what keir starmer says is i have need starmer says is i have no need to see this evidence. i believe what angela telling me, what what angela is telling me, i believe that my what my team is telling me and what he's actually saying he's actually saying is he's respecting privacy, i respecting her privacy, which i think actually the right think is actually the right thing to do in this case. >> well, i mean, the thing is, right? i like angela rayner, by the way. i think she's got she's feisty, she's personality. and let's it , you know, labour let's face it, you know, labour needs someone like her. i mean, she's the gobby working class northerner balances out the northerner who balances out the posh lawyer type posh north london lawyer type stuff. i mean, you know, stuff. so i mean, you know, she's always very high trust she's always had very high trust levels because of that. yeah. is this actually now going to clare colour. how people's voters see her. >> well i think it is. and it also shows the amount of scrutiny that labour need to get used to. if they believe they're going to win the election. they're not particularly happy with it at the moment. and in fact, i think it was david lammy

who said, well, you know, we're different, we're not the government. need government. so we don't need to answer questions. it's answer all these questions. it's like, actually, like, well, actually, yes, you do, because something that do, because it's something that if a normal person on the if it was a normal person on the street, had had this little light difficulty with tax, people would be over it. people would be all over it. hmrc would be crawling all over it, so why shouldn't they be held the same account and held to the same account and actually politicians to be actually politicians need to be above everything above absolutely everything else. if you're going to spend taxpayers trusted . taxpayers money and be trusted. >> we've seen that this >> well, we've seen that this week this week various week or this week with various politicians behaving some politicians behaving in, some would rather stupid way. would say a rather stupid way. i mean , i just how is this going mean, i just how is this going to play out with the voters? do you nigel? you think, nigel? >> the moment there's >> well, at the moment there's no reason for voters not to no reason for the voters not to trust angela rayner because we're to the situation we're back to the situation where has been put where no evidence has been put forward suggest she's forward to suggest she's done something wrong. and yes, there's a of a cloud hanging there's a bit of a cloud hanging over her that obviously when it comes to a council house comes down to a council house sale, you may argue that , given sale, you may argue that, given that she would have been against that she would have been against that , she shouldn't have that, she shouldn't have

benefited from it, but that's like paying income tax that you, a politician, might object to their government's income tax, but they're still going to pay it. you obey whatever the rules are at the time. >> i mean, you know, do you think that they have had a fractious relationship? starmer and angela? they have, yes. he has sacked her once, remember, didn't he? and then she came back. >> do you tried to sack her? >> do you tried to sack her? >> tried to sack her? i mean, i don't think he can because she was put there by the labour party himself. do you think i mean, just quickly out of mean, just quickly run out of time this one. but do you time on this one. but do you think he would have someone else, him rather than else, beside him rather than angela? it was choice? angela? if it was his choice? >> no, i don't actually, i think it's not a dissimilar situation from john from tony blair and john prescott blair wanted prescott that tony blair wanted john they didn't john prescott there. they didn't always to eye to eye, always see eye to eye to eye, but was very important as the but he was very important as the connection labour connection with the labour party. for angela, the party. same goes for angela, the gobby bit. gobby working class bit. >> yeah. think that >> yeah. and i think that actually starmer needs rayner much rayner needs much more than rayner needs starmer. that's really starmer. and that's a really dangerous position to be for a leader, okay. >> well labour have given us a statement on this one and they

say angela and her husband mutually maintain mutually decided to maintain their residences to their existing residences to reflect families reflect their families circumstances, and they shared childcare . angela childcare responsibly. angela has always made clear she also spent time at her husband's property when they had children and got married , as she was and got married, as she was perfectly entitled to do so. oh right . okay, well, for all the right. okay, well, for all the best analysis and opinion on that story, you can go to our website gbnews.com now that's another story as well. i've thought with these two would be brilliant on almost half of tory councillors think rishi sunaks government is too left wing. a new savanta survey found that 47% believe the current tory party under sunak is way too left wing, with only 24% saying it's too right wing now. we've got an expert on this one, haven't we, claire? i mean, you used to be a councillor, didn't you? >>i you? >> i did, i did what do you make of this story? it's quite strange and it does make me wonder who. who? they asked how many people they are. so i mean,

it's a it's a good polling company survey , wasn't it, company survey, wasn't it, laboun company survey, wasn't it, labour. all it is, it's a labour survey. so i would love to have seen the actual questions put to individuals seems a individuals because it seems a very strange way of putting a survey out there to put a poll out there. and what are they considering to be left wing? what were the questions? were they policy areas? was it they on policy areas? was it just a general question? are they the age and the they looking at the age and the area that are coming area that people are coming from? it all sort of from? is was it all sort of concentrated in area? so concentrated in one area? so i think that we take one think that we can take this one with a bit of a pinch of with a little bit of a pinch of salt and i mean to be too left wing. there are lots of accusations that either the government is too right wing. it is too left wing. it is too one nation. i think we all need to make our minds up what it is. we want the conservative party to be. that might help and that might settle some minds. because at i think that at the moment i think that pretty much everybody's just going, what you going, we don't know what you stand for. >> well, we mean, do we >> well, we i mean, do we actually know what party actually know what either party stands moment? well stands for at the moment? well nigel, mean, i mean, think

nigel, i mean, i mean, i think that there there problem that there is there is a problem with parties on that. with both parties on that. >> to agree with you. >> i tend to agree with you. i think the case where the conservatives which is different from is that they're from labour, is that they're having battle the heart having a battle for the heart and the party at the and soul of the party at the moment. they're party of moment. now they're the party of government. should be government. they should be concentrating government and concentrating on government and fighting of when fighting these kind of wars when they're in opposition, which won't now, so won't be too long from now, so they actually they can they they can actually they can they can then. now what what can do that then. now what what that survey also showed that more than half of those councillors are dissatisfied with the government . well, with the government. well, they've got a lot to be dissatisfied about. that doesn't necessarily relate to whether it's two right wing or two left wing, but those are decisions the conservative party needs to take after the election. >> they're just unhappy with the way are. i mean, it is way things are. i mean, it is very confusing moment, very confusing at the moment, isn't and last year we saw >> it is. and last year we saw a set of elections where an awful lot of tory councillors, me included , lost their seat. so included, lost their seat. so there's to be a lot of there's going to be a lot of disgruntled people out there already. similar already. we may be in a similar situation, know , remains to situation, you know, remains to be seen. after polls take be seen. after the polls take place in may, of this year. so i

think the dissatisfaction in politics is at an all time high. it doesn't matter if you're a councillor or a journalist or a member of the public. i think trust in politics and politicians is down the toilet. how damaging do well do both of you? >> but you, first of all, how damaging do you think reform is to both parties ? because they to both parties? because they did say they were targeting labour as well as the conservative seats. and we know they're putting a dent into the conservatives. what about what about labour? >> mean, i think that >> well, i mean, i think that most people who to reform most people who turn to reform are likely to turn to it from the from the tory party. so i think reform is more dangerous for, for conservatives under for, for the conservatives under the current they won't the current polling, they won't win seat. so we're not win a single seat. so we're not looking reform, holding looking at reform, holding any kind balance of power in the kind of balance of power in the future. if they get above 20% in the polls, all that starts changing and actually could changing and they actually could start winning mps, so at the moment you're talking about them coming, coming second in a lot of tory seats , and that is of tory seats, and that is likely to deprive a sitting tory

mp of that seat. >> do you think there would be any difference in this poll we're talking about here, about local government, clare, or about the main government ? about the main government? >> if rishi sunak went no, i don't think it would make any difference. and i think actually it would be worse because it would be yet another beauty contest. and i don't think people going that people are going to suck that up. but it's quite interesting that says that the reform that nigel says that the reform voters wouldn't labour. voters wouldn't go to labour. and that in some areas and i think that in some areas that a lot of voters who voted for the labour party previously are unhappy with starmer's version of the labour party in sort of red wall seats where the brexit vote was very, very high. if they're angry with the conservative party, they're not going to go to labour, particularly, but they are going to in ways think to split votes in ways i think that we aren't really looking at. there's going to an awful at. there's going to be an awful lot of tactical voting going on. i sort of reform voters i think sort of reform voters will actually take from both sides of the political divide, maybe the red wall situation. >> yeah. former labour voters

who voted for the brexit party, basically. yeah, do you think that. >> well, i mean, the red wall, a lot of it was about brexit. yeah. so, so, so that they were voting for the get brexit done, which boris johnson promised and then of course didn't deliver, so brought it up. so as far as, as far as actually splitting off from labour, obviously it depends what you want from your government, anybody government, but anybody who wants of policies that wants the kind of policies that labour are putting forward at the moment is unlikely to try and to find those that reform. so i think it is more likely to be tory voters who are fed up with the tory party than the other way around. >> oh, it's a mess, isn't it, everybody? what do you think, though? i mean, you know what evenis though? i mean, you know what even is right wing and left wing these days? i mean, do the main parties you parties even know are you dissatisfied, you're dissatisfied, whether you're a conservative voter? conservative or a labour voter? are you confused? are you considering reform? considering voting reform? vaiews@gbnews.com? know. vaiews@gbnews.com? let us know. i'm is indeed i'm dawn neesom. this is indeed gb news sunday and there's loads more up on today's show, more coming up on today's show, bofis more coming up on today's show, boris it would be

boris johnson says it would be insane ban arms sales to insane to ban arms sales to israel . so is insane to ban arms sales to israel. so is he right though? all of that and much more to come.

hello. welcome back to gb news sunday. hope you're having a wonderful weekend out there. i'm dawn neesom. i'm on your telly onune dawn neesom. i'm on your telly online and on digital radio now. former prime minister boris johnson says it would be insane to ban arms sales to israel. in his daily mail column yesterday , his daily mail column yesterday, bojo argued the move would amount to a government madness, arguing it could hand victory to hamas . he arguing it could hand victory to hamas. he also criticised foreign secretary david cameron for not publicly dismissing the idea. lord cameron today warned uk support for israel is not unconditional. well, it wouldn't be. i mean, nothing should be unconditional. there are always conditions attached to everything. so let's see what my

wonderful panel, they're still here. they're still talking to one another. marvellous isn't it. what claire, it. so let's see what claire, what do you make of this? i mean, arms to israel should we? i mean, there is a call out there. i mean, it's been described as sort of like virtue signalling today some of the signalling today in some of the papers well. what do you papers as well. what do you think? should we selling think? should we stop selling arms israel? arms to israel? >> i think lot of this does >> i think a lot of this does depend on what has happened with >> i think a lot of this does dep bombing hat has happened with >> i think a lot of this does dep bombing incident1appened with >> i think a lot of this does dep bombing incident thatened with >> i think a lot of this does dep bombing incident that killed'ith >> i think a lot of this does depvolunteersicident that killed'ith >> i think a lot of this does depvolunteers injent that killed'ith >> i think a lot of this does depvolunteers in gaza hat killed'ith >> i think a lot of this does depvolunteers in gaza .at killed'ith >> i think a lot of this does depvolunteers in gaza .at it'sad'ith the volunteers in gaza. it it's one of those situations where i don't think there is a definitive answer until you have all of the information, and i appreciate that. it's a really bonng appreciate that. it's a really boring way of looking but boring way of looking at it, but we understand what we need to understand what exactly happened before you start at the start to look at the consequences of it. now you can be a friend , an ally of israel, be a friend, an ally of israel, but also be concerned at some of the action that has been taking place. two of these things, they're not mutually exclusive, and i think we get lost a little in the argument when you talk about stopping selling arms to israel , that people say, well, israel, that people say, well, you are against the israeli

people, is not the case. people, which is not the case. what don't to happen is what you don't want to happen is allowing those innocent people to killed by breaches, to be killed by breaches, potential breaches of international i mean, that international law. i mean, that is incredibly incredibly is incredibly bad, incredibly serious . and i think that lord serious. and i think that lord cameron is right to be taking a really cautious line on this. and not definitively saying one way or the other. i think that's where madness lies. >> as soon as you do that, do you think boris johnson has a point , though, nigel, when he point, though, nigel, when he says that israel is the only democracy in that part of the world, and that would signal to hamas that we are we are not strong as we should be on the world stage. if we did give in to the stop selling arms and beanng to the stop selling arms and bearing in mind it is only 0.02% of israel's armaments that comes from the uk. yeah. i mean, it's tiny. >> we actually buy more arms from israel than we send to them . so yes, i mean, as far as if we stop the arms, it wouldn't make a huge difference to israel's military power , no, i israel's military power, no, i don't think boris johnson is

right. i think that the issue here is really clear cut, and it dates back to before the attack on the aid workers. we could only sell arms if, they meet the conditions for international humanitarian law. if the advice that the legal advice the foreign office has got, which says which we haven't seen yet, which we haven't seen, this is the key . you may not get to see the key. you may not get to see all the details, but we could see the result of. of what? of what the legal, legal opinion is . and if that legal opinion is israel has been breaking international law, we then have to stop arms sales. i mean, it's absolutely clear that they must come to an end. now, i know arms sales are a murky business. we send we sell an awful lot more to saudi arabia , and they use to saudi arabia, and they use british arms to bomb yemeni children , but when it comes children, but when it comes comes to the legal advice you're getting that is absolute. and thatis

getting that is absolute. and that is , condition. it puts the that is, condition. it puts the conditions on who we can sell our arms to and who we can't. >> but we actually, i mean, out of the 48 nations classified as not free by freedom house and with human rights issues, we sell 26 to, we sell to 26 of those countries armed , including those countries armed, including qatar, who are housing the bosses of hamas. >> we are i mean, it is a murky business and it's incredibly difficult when you start looking at it, the rights and wrongs of selling arms. it's not an easy conversation to have because obviously we also purchase arms ourselves. so it's a trade that nobody wants. it's a trade that nobody wants. it's a trade that nobody likes. but unfortunately we're all part of it. and that's not an excuse. it's just what it is. and also a lot of jobs, british jobs rely on, say, arms trade. >> so there's always stuff to think about that, that the supply chain issues that we have and the amount of companies in the united kingdom that prop up that business, it is that business, i mean, it is absolutely huge economical absolutely huge in economical terms. would it be hypocritical

>> so would it be hypocritical to stop selling arms to israel but on selling to other but carry on selling to other countries around the world who, as you say, are you know, don't have brilliant human rights? >> i mean , are putting it >> well, i mean, are putting it i think it was a moral to keep selling arms to saudi arabia, given use those arms given what they use those arms for. the morality of arms for. so the morality of arms sales is because claire just said murky is absolutely right, that it said murky is absolutely right, thatitis said murky is absolutely right, that it is a nasty business. these things are going out there to kill people, but in this particular case, it's not about our support for israel as a nation. it is about whether or not that they, what they're doing in gaza is disproportion unit to what they should be doing of it. and if that crosses and certainly the international court says it already does, it actually comes into genocide . if actually comes into genocide. if that crosses international law, we should suspend arms , arms we should suspend arms, arms sales. tony blair did it, margaret thatcher did it. >> we have done it in the past, haven't we? so yeah. yeah. but then again, where do we stop

with i know the legal advice and we haven't seen the legal advice. and that's the problem here. we're discussing it. but there's an awful lot of people you see sort of like certainly on oh you know, on the marches. oh you know, stop arms israel stop selling arms to israel without understanding without actually understanding where do sell arms and the where we do sell arms and the damage can do as well. where we do sell arms and the darit ge can do as well. where we do sell arms and the darit ge and can do as well. where we do sell arms and the darit ge and that's» as well. where we do sell arms and the darit ge and that's what'ell. >> it is. and that's what i mean. a very difficult mean. it's a very difficult conversation. very conversation. it's a very complex and think that complex area. and i think that sometimes get entrenched in sometimes you get entrenched in positions the whole positions this the whole ceasefire. stop selling ceasefire. now stop selling arms. must and it's arms. you must do this. and it's like, actually that isn't going to free the hostages, which like, actually that isn't going to everybody)stages, which like, actually that isn't going to everybody wants;, which like, actually that isn't going to everybody wants andiich is what everybody wants and needs. it's also going needs. and it's also not going to humanitarian aid to to bring humanitarian aid to those desperately need it. those who desperately need it. >> ceasefire, the >> oh, the ceasefire, the ceasefire we need as well. ceasefire that we need as well. >> this is the other thing >> well, this is the other thing with ceasefire. i mean, with the ceasefire. i mean, there is evidently ceasefire there is evidently a ceasefire on table, one of the on the table, but one of the provisos is the hostages are released. right. released. that's right. hamas are doing are not doing that. >> no, but the moment, >> no, but at the moment, israel. israel won't agree to the either. so the the ceasefire either. so the question really is the international community are pretty united on this one as the labour and tory party are here. what there has to be is a proper

ceasefire , aid must be allowed ceasefire, aid must be allowed to get in and the hostages must be released. so those three things are the components of a ceasefire. until we can get israel and hamas to agree to that, it carries on. >> so, i mean, this is the six month anniversary today, by the way, and you never, ever thought that we would be where we are with the horrific death tolls and the horror stories we are hearing. and, you know, on the threat of starvation , so threat of starvation, so something has to give, but nothing seems to be giving. it seems to be some horrific stalemate at the moment that nobody has any answers to. no. >> that's right. and also what nobody has any answers to is what happens afterwards if we get the hostages released. if we get the hostages released. if we get the hostages released. if we get the ceasefire, if we get those agreements in place, what then happens with the disputed pieces of land? what happens to palestinian people who have been displaced? nobody has really thought of the consequences of all of this afterwards . how do all of this afterwards. how do you go about fixing that

particular area? because again , particular area? because again, that's another thing that neither side can agree on. so you are looking like you would end up, you would have one ceasefire. you'd get that bit sorted. could potentially sorted. it could potentially then because nobody then start again because nobody can decide what to do with the land the short, in the short land in the short, in the short tum, thing is tum, the important thing is to get aid through. get the aid through. >> the one thing the >> so the one thing the ceasefire would do is allow aid to in, to feed people who to get in, to feed people who are now starving. >> disputing that. >> nobody's disputing that. but in long in the long term, in the long term at moment that israel term at the moment that israel is saying hamas has to be destroyed , hamas cannot be the destroyed, hamas cannot be the government of gaza. >> we then need to find a new government for gaza. that would probably have to be provided by the palestinian authority in the west bank. >> unfortunately, we have to leave it there. this is a debate that could go on all day and has indeed been going on for centuries, more or less, hasn't it, thank you very much, both of you, is gb you, i'm dawn neesom this is gb news there's loads news sunday and there's loads more up. but let's more coming up. but first, let's have a at the news with ray have a look at the news with ray

addison. >> thanks, dawn. 132 our top stories. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october 7th terror attacks, marking the occasion , the prime marking the occasion, the prime minister said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting . an immediate humanitarian pause infighting. he also an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting . he also urged an immediate humanitarian pause infighting. he also urged hamas in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . meanwhile, gaza more swiftly. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional . while writing in unconditional. while writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there is no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers. he added that this must never happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on april 1st. the deputy pm has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war.

oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces ministerjames heappey forces minister james heappey told the telegraph that only mod officials attended a wartime preparation exercise, which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying that too many in government are, quote, just hoping everything will go away . hoping everything will go away. a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a human torso at a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. you can scan the qr code that's on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . gb news. com slash alerts. >> thank you very much. right

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need a strong and clear leader which richard tice is interesting. not alone either in that one. meanwhile, lawrence says i cannot believe you in the studio cannot see how left wing this government is and it will be there to their detriment . be there to their detriment. well, i mean, you know what? i'm a bit confused about even what left wing and right wing is anymore. i you know, anymore. i mean, you know, people you know, people are people are you know, people are sort of like, you know, just normal conservatives are described these normal conservatives are descri i ed these normal conservatives are descri i ed like, these normal conservatives are descriied like, it's these normal conservatives are descriied like, it's an 1ese days. i mean, like, it's an insult. it's like it's, you know, it's confusing, isn't it? any case, it's time for tale any case, it's time for a tale as old time. star crossed as old as time. star crossed lovers , romeo juliet, he was lovers, romeo and juliet, he was a labour liberal. she was a conservative tory. can i make it any more obvious? well, research shows that young, young . we're shows that young, young. we're not the best example. people. come on, younger men . sorry, come on, younger men. sorry, nigel, younger men are more likely to be more right wing, while younger women, yet you qualify still are just aren't more likely to be left wing. but

used to a confused over this one, why do we think this is? let's see what my very, very happily married panel. well, as of make of this , so, nigel, of now, make of this, so, nigel, not so long ago , there was that not so long ago, there was that t shirt. never snog a tory. yeah, quite clearly , he went a yeah, quite clearly, he went a little bit further than snogging a tory. >> i did, but it took me a long time to pluck up the courage to ask claire out. knew each ask claire out. so we knew each other about two years, and other for about two years, and i couldn't actually. and we also knew we had different politics. i mean, claire a tory i mean, claire was a tory brexiteer. i was a labour remainer . it brexiteer. i was a labour remainer. it didn't seem to matter, finally i did pluck up the courage and we had lunch at a tory party conference. oh yes, it's very romantic of you. >> i mean, yeah, hearts and flowers and tory party conferences. >> what was what was making you wary? >> oh , no, it wasn't a question >> oh, no, it wasn't a question of being wary. i was just too nervous to actually come up and ask. >> ask claire out because claire is a beautiful blonde, exotic woman. yeah. >> not her. i didn't think she would go for at all. would go for me at all. >> it was quite funny because we

had this sort of conversation one day just before the 2017 election, and i was there sort of going right, i need to pack up all stuff. i may see you up all my stuff. i may see you in 6 to 8 weeks time when the election is over. so i hope i hope you enjoy. what do you mean? why won't you be back in here? it's like. well, because i'm not allowed to. so somebody that had worked in the lobby for a couple of decades at least, didn't know that people with parliamentary passes, as soon as the house was dissolved, were the house was dissolved, we were out here. and the sheer panic out of here. and the sheer panic that that on his face as it that that left on his face as it was, i think because he didn't know that we would be disappearing. and at that point then was case of, well, if then it was a case of, well, if you're going to do party conference here, would you like to come to dinner and i negotiated that lunch negotiated that down to lunch for no reason than i was for no other reason than i was on a three line whip to do other things at party conference. but paul things at party conference. but paul, nigel took that as a as a little bit of a dent to his confidence. >> yeah. no but i mean, you two are obviously very sensible and,

you know, you have brilliant debates in here, as i'm sure you do at home as well. and claire did spend the entire day horse riding yesterday to get away from it. but, you know, just saying, but you know, what is it with young people that they are so in their ways that, so set in their ways now that, you to left you know, women more to the left , men more to the right? i mean, why do you think that is? for a start, i've absolutely no idea why it breaks down like that. >> i can't understand that , >> i can't understand that, having read, the having read the read, the experiences a number of experiences of a number of people that survey came people since that survey came out, been talking about out, and have been talking about it just, don't seem to it is just, they don't seem to be, well, terribly open about things that what we do is we talk about politics an awful lot. what we don't do is argue about it. but what it actually does, if you if two people with different kind of politics get together in a relationship , what together in a relationship, what you can do is you can learn things that claire's brexit. i learned something from that about sovereignty and why she voted for brexit, which i

understand. i don't agree with, but understand it. she once mentioned to me i'm in favour, for instance, of prisoners being sorry of 16 year olds being allowed to vote. claire pointed out, how would i feel about a 16 year old going into an adult prison? not comfortable, but it made me think about my position and we have that kind of because we're talking about it. you have that kind of discussion. it just makes you think, why can't young people do the same thing? >> well, exactly. it's open. well, they're taught in universities now that you can only one i mean, it's only think one way. i mean, it's like, you know, group like, you know, you know, group think have to think that think you have to think that way. i mean, know, as a way. but i mean, you know, as a woman, claire, can you understand why women understand why young women are more more liberal more drawn to the more liberal side things? side of things? >> i know, i don't know >> i don't know, i don't know what it is because, well, i mean, i suppose i do. i did come across a number of young conservatives back day conservatives back in the day because i'm quite when they because i'm quite old, when they were the young were still called the young conservatives, mainly conservatives, and it was mainly young yes, you probably young men. and yes, you probably could. mother would be very could. your mother would be very pleased took them home,

pleased if you took them home, but weren't of but really, they weren't kind of your think that your type. so i think that probably when you're younger, you're bit more you're a little bit more idealistic. somebody the idealistic. somebody from the left little more left looks a little bit more interesting. they interesting. maybe. maybe they just more of a free just seem a bit more of a free spirit , just seem a bit more of a free spirit, which is all very nice until have to be responsible until you have to be responsible and bills and all the and pay the bills and all the rest of it. so i think there's a lot of it is that young people are really quite idealistic universities, as you say, are not being not tempting people into being open to other suggestions. i mean, we discuss everything and anything. no subject is off limits and you learn to debate better. and i think that that is a real skill that we're losing out on. >> oh, he might so debate not hate people. i mean that applies in politics definitely in in politics and definitely in marriage and let's face marriage as well. and let's face it, if you agree with each other, it's really boring. yes. i really boring. it i mean really boring. yeah, it would hi, darling. if you're would be. hi, darling. if you're watching. i'm watching. anyway, i'm dawn neesom gb news neesom and this is gb news sunday and there's loads more coming today's show, coming up on today's show, fundraising campaign has been launched national launched by the national memorial arboretum to help restore dawn restore the shot at dawn memorial . all of that, and much memorial. all of that, and much more to come.

welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your tv, online and on digital radio. now, the memorial arboretum in staffordshire has started a fundraising campaign this month to try and raise £45,000 to restore its shot at dawn memorial. the memorial commemorates the hundreds of servicemen during the world war i who were court martialled and killed for crimes such as deserting and cowardice. our west midlands reporter jack carson has the story. >> in world war i, 309 soldiers from britain and the commonwealth were shot at dawn. the majority killed for the likes of desertion, cowardice and sleeping at post. appearing at their court martial with no real opportunity for defence, these men were told they had

brought shame on their country and would be held in the highest disregard . to discourage anyone disregard. to discourage anyone else from doing the same today , else from doing the same today, it's widely recognised that many of the soldiers were likely suffering from post—traumatic stress disorder. in 2001, the shot at dawn memorial was unveiled at the national memorial arboretum as a way to remember the hundreds who had been killed. now more than 20 years on, the arboretum has launched a fundraising campaign to the preservation of to ensure the preservation of the site. mark ellis is the national memorial arboretum lead. >> it's a really important memorial here at the arboretum, a must see for very many of our visitors. so millions of pairs of feet of have walked around it and looked at it, but it's also in an area of site that gets a lot of flooding, particularly in recent times. we need to raise around £45,000 to renovate and restore the memorial and to make sure that we can look after it for generations to come . the for generations to come. the posts need replacing, the ground needs , relaying and redoing in needs, relaying and redoing in front of the statue are six

conifer trees to represent the firing squad, aiming for the target around the statue's neck. >> andy dickerman is the sculptor behind the piece. >> obviously very young looking , >> obviously very young looking, the disc around his neck is actually a target . they used to actually a target. they used to either pin a piece of paper to them or have some sort of target for the firing squad to aim at, so it was over the top of the heart, you'll see that it's got no buttons, these epaulettes fallen from his shoulder. part of the court martial would have been dishonourable discharge. so they'd been stripped of rank and insignia, his feet are trapped insignia, his feet are trapped in this block. it's kind of a metaphor for the fact that he's trapped in a situation that he can't extricate himself from, and then, obviously blindfolded, hands behind his back. hands tied behind his back. >> the memorial sits on the eastern edge of the arboretum site, where it's the first to be touched by the sun's rays . at touched by the sun's rays. at dawn on the 7th of november, 2006, the british government agreed to give a posthumous pardon to those executed for varying military offences in the

first world war, one of those soldiers was 17 year old herbert burdon . he was part of the first burdon. he was part of the first battalion, northumberland fusiliers , and at 16 he had lied fusiliers, and at 16 he had lied that he was two years older so he could fight in the war. ten months later he was court martialled after leaving his post, reportedly comfort a post, reportedly to comfort a bereaved friend stationed nearby. the officers considering burdon's case, heard his unit had been issued orders to make for the front just before he went missing, private burdon faced the firing squad on the 21st of july 1915. at 17, he was still too young to even officially be in his regiment. work begins on the memorial in early may, and with the help of pubuc early may, and with the help of public donations, the arboretum hopes the memories of those shot at dawn can live for on decades to come. jack carson gb news, staffordshire. >> guard. that is absolutely chilling and that isn't that long ago, is it, nigel, you were involved in this , weren't you? involved in this, weren't you? in the fundraising? >> yes. i mean, i got together

with some mps and we were trying to get pardons for the shot at dawn people. and as jack just said, it most of them were said, it was most of them were suffering from what we would know today as ptsd . the then know today as ptsd. the then labour government were arguing that couldn't give them that you couldn't give them pardons couldn't make pardons because we couldn't make judgements today about values that were at the time. the that were held at the time. the contrary argument to that was, well, hang on, why not? there are people at that. at this point, there were still a few veterans still alive from the first world war. there were close relatives of the people who were shot at dawn. they wanted to see justice. eventually, that argument won out and eventually they did give the pardons. and of course, now we have the memorial and it's incredible. >> there were so young clare, i yeah, i just can't get my head around how we would shoot people or quite clearly distressed. and 17, 18 years old, and a lot of them probably would have been younger because, as jack said, there were a lot of people who lied about their in order to. >> my grandfather was one of them. he was 15 when he went

when when went into went when he when he went into went in pretended he old in and pretended he was old enough go because enough to go because a girlfriend him he would girlfriend told him he would look dashing in uniform. got look dashing in uniform. he got into uniform. then she into the uniform. then she chucked him back. he did come back. yes, yes . back. yes, yes. >> i it's so hard to >> i mean, it's so hard to believe, isn't it, that we would voluntarily shoot a teenager because they were ill. essentially and i mean, that's what it boils down to. if they were in the trenches and they were in the trenches and they were absolutely scared witless, which you would be, god terrified. and they didn't go over the top. and then they were considered coward or considered to be a coward or they or they they were deserting, or they just to home to their just wanted to go home to their mums and they would be shot for it. mean, it just beggars it. i mean, it just beggars belief that, you say, it belief that, as you say, it wasn't that long ago. and wasn't even that long ago. and i think that is such think that that is such a beautiful memorial site. >> yeah it is, yeah. with the. oh, the firing squad. yeah. trees planted around the. >> it's also where the light >> but it's also where the light hits first. so first thing in the hits that, the morning the light hits that, which should which is how it should be. >> oh really if you want to >> oh it's really if you want to know more about this story or how can contribute look

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rain start to push in from the south—west, certainly into parts of wales. the end of the of wales. by the end of the night, whereas towards north night, whereas towards the north a picture, a very blustery picture, certainly the evening. certainly through the evening. some for some heavy showers around for a time, showers starting time, those showers starting to ease hours more ease into the early hours more in way of clear spells in the way of clear spells developing north of developing across the north of the and in some rural spots, the uk and in some rural spots, it chilly by it could turn quite chilly by monday morning. as for monday itself, outbreaks itself, with those outbreaks of rain parts of wales rain out across parts of wales will become more widespread will also become more widespread from south. england from the south. across england and wales. go through the and wales. as we go through the day, of those outbreaks of day, some of those outbreaks of rain quite heavy across rain turning quite heavy across from areas the from southern areas into the afternoon, from southern areas into the aftern< northern from southern areas into the aftern

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about here, but we would definitely be off air within five minutes. in any case, welcome back to gb news. sunday thank you for joining welcome back to gb news. sunday thank you forjoining us welcome back to gb news. sunday thank you for joining us this lunchtime. you're having lunchtime. hope you're having a wonderful i'm dawn wonderful weekend. i'm dawn neesom, next fun neesom, and for the next fun packed we got some neesom, and for the next fun pacicoming we got some neesom, and for the next fun pacicoming up.e got some neesom, and for the next fun pacicoming up; be got some neesom, and for the next fun pacicoming up; be keeping; fun coming up. i'll be keeping you telly, online and you company on telly, online and on radio, coming up this on digital radio, coming up this houn on digital radio, coming up this hour, former defence ministers are uk has failed to are warning the uk has failed to prepare itself for war. the calling on the government to do more prepare for more to prepare us for a potential conflict. that's not the fun bit, by the way. that's the fun bit, by the way. that's the scary bit. what do you think about that one, meanwhile, david lammy labour lammy has snapped at his labour colleagues rid colleagues who want to get rid of union flag and the of the union flag and the leaflet. the shadow foreign secretary should be secretary says labour should be proud to fly the national flag. but i want ask , why do some but i want to ask, why do some people in this country have a problem with the flag in the first place? wrong with first place? what's wrong with it? in show, it? and later on in the show, find out this is the fun find out why this is the fun bit, why the famous dorset knob eating has been eating competition has been unceremoniously cancelled? find out after this . in any case,

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unconditional . writing in the unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there is no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers, and he added that this must never happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on april 1st. former chief of the defence select committee, tobias ellwood, told us the uk will be obuged ellwood, told us the uk will be obliged to stop arms sales if israel has broken international law. >> i absolutely support israel's right to prosecute and to go after hamas after what they did. but i also disagree with israel's military response, which seems to be without clarity of what its strategy is, what's the governance structure that it's working towards? what is going to be the post security environment that it's building? what is actually in what we're seeing is actually in information, seeing this , information, we're seeing this, conflict spread beyond the middle east because of what's going on, because what israel is doing, that is why david cameron is saying there needs to be

conditions on what's going on. >> the deputy prime minister has denied that the uk is denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces minister james heappey told the telegraph only mod officials attended a war time preparation exercise, which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace has backed him up, saying that too many in government are just hoping everything will go away. but oliver dowden told gb news they're putting in the necessary work. >> i don't know the specific incident that james was referring to. it is the case that we carry out wide scale, exercises , easing programmes exercises, easing programmes across government. indeed, i did one recently for a national power outage involving several thousand different people across government. now, of course, there is more work that we need to do across different areas, but we have stepped up considerably our effort. >> police have named a man that

they're hunting for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre . west yorkshire police centre. west yorkshire police detectives have said they want to trace 25 year old habiba masoom, who is from the oldham area. they were called to the city centre on saturday afternoon following reports of an attack by a man who fled the scene . the woman was taken to scene. the woman was taken to hospital where she later died . hospital where she later died. well, a man in his 20s has been arrested on suspicion of murder following the discovery of a human torso at a nature reserve in salford, greater manchester police launched a murder investigation after the body part was found wrapped in plastic at kersal wetlands. the victim is believed to have been older than 40. chief superintendent tony creely says the suspect, who is from the local area, will be questioned today and almost 5 million people have reported dental problems to the nhs111 people have reported dental problems to the nhs 111 helpline problems to the nhs111 helpline over the last five years.

government data, which has been analysed by the labour party, revealed that around 965,000 people were referred for treatment in the last year alone. shadow health secretary wes streeting said that calls are skyrocketing , with people are skyrocketing, with people having to turn to private dentists or even carry out their own treatment. health minister dame andrea leadsom says the government's dentistry recovery plan will make services faster. but dentist doctor sam jethwa told us the situation is getting w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> there are lots of dentists who are burning out who aren't able to stay in the profession because they're having to see 30, 50 patients a day to diagnose , treat, get them out of diagnose, treat, get them out of pain, all this sort of thing on a routine basis. every single day. that can't be sustainable for anyone . and then we have an for anyone. and then we have an issue of the lack of new dentists coming in. and the time frame being such a long time frame being such a long time frame from getting someone qualified. it's, it's qualified. so it's, it's becoming more of an issue .

becoming more of an issue. >> to get more stories, why not sign up to the gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts. back now to dawn and gb news. sunday >> thank you very much, ray. okay, let's get straight into today's story, shall we, britain has failed to prepare itself for war. that's the dire warning from the former armed forces minister and former army officer, james heappey . minister and former army officer, james heappey. he's urging ministers to prepare for an armed conflict, calling for plans to be put in place to commandeer land to feed the nafion commandeer land to feed the nation and recreation. rick regression. i can't say that word. consumer electronics, but high tech weapons. former defence secretary ben wallace agreed , saying too many in agreed, saying too many in government are just hoping everything will go away. well, that wasn't want to wake up to, was it? now? joining me is former senior military intelligence officer philip

ingram . philip, thank you so ingram. philip, thank you so much for joining ingram. philip, thank you so much forjoining us. this afternoon. i hope you have a lovely weekend. philip, this was scary. i woke up this this morning and there were several things in this story that scared the life out of me, one that we should be on a war footing. and the other is that given government ministers didn't even bother turning up to any exercises. they send a minion, a civil servant instead. what do you make of it all? >> i think it's shocking. the first rule of government is to protect the nation and you can't protect the nation and you can't protect the nation unless you're preparing for it. and if we look at, you know, i've been involved in the international geopolitics game, whether be in the game, whether it be in the military commentating on it. military or commentating on it. and writing on it for over 40 years. and this is the first years. and this is the first year that can see a clear path year that i can see a clear path or several clear paths world year that i can see a clear path or s

quickly. and unless you get governments , government governments, government departments coming together to plan multiple different things and look at how we can defend ourselves, then you don't get the coordination. the minister of defence itself in 1994 said it would take nearly four years nofice it would take nearly four years notice and two years of preparation to get ready to defend the united kingdom. if the mod is not doing it, what hopeis the mod is not doing it, what hope is there for the other government departments? >> so why ? why? i mean, you >> so why? why? i mean, you agree that you know, we are agree that we, you know, we are on a pre war footing and we should be on a pre war footing and the government should be doing more, aren't they, why doing more, why aren't they, why aren't seriously philip. >> t- >> well i think there's a complacency , and you know, we complacency, and you know, we heard the minister turn around and say that. oh, i was only on and say that. oh, i was only on an exercise a couple of weeks ago where we're looking at one scenario. well, that's brilliant. one scenario. but as soon as you start to put multiple scenarios together and the impact other, that's the impact on each other, that's where an overall where you need an overall response. if the mechanisms response. and if the mechanisms of government, if our communication systems are removed, westminster removed, if westminster

disappears a big flash, then disappears in a big flash, then what? how is how is government in the country going to work now? those sorts of scenarios are a long, long, long, long way off, if not highly improbable . off, if not highly improbable. but going through the process will identify how different government departments can interact better with other departments , can identify what departments, can identify what are the key issues that need to be dealt with, can outline savings and efficiencies in the way things are done today. so you know this this should be a routine part of what the government does, and it's routine that they just don't bother turning up sending a civil servant minion instead. >> i mean , do you subscribe, >> so i mean, do you subscribe, philip, thought that we, philip, to the thought that we, you we should be talking you know, we should be talking about citizen's army. we about a citizen's army. we should about should be talking about selecting are should be talking about seliating are should be talking about seli at ing stage are should be talking about seli at ing stage yet are should be talking about seliating stage yet ? are we at that stage yet? >> i citizen's army's slightly different. you know, it's an undefined term that, you know, people have thrown around because it gets sound bites , because it gets sound bites, selective conscription. if the military can't recruit and retain enough people . and i retain enough people. and i think last year they lost 5000,

overall, if you compare those that are leaving and those that are coming in, there's going to have to be some form of selective recruitment and we should be looking at expanding the military. that's for good our economy. that's very good for our economy at the moment. just so that we prepare, because to get ready for the potential conflict scenarios that are there will take 2 to 5 years, if not longer. and if we don't start now, we're not sending a clear message to those that want to do us harm. that increases the possibility of them coming to do us harm. but if we start to do us harm. but if we start to prepare, they'll they'll look at it and go, well, no, we'll not do this and we're not going to lose out. you know, it, it costs a lot of money. whenever you it as just a single you look at it as just a single figure going the ministry figure going into the ministry of but most of that of defence. but most of that money is reinvested in the money is reinvested back in the country so it's good. country again. so it's good. >> philip, there's been a criticism also sort like, criticism also of sort of like, you aren't being you know, people aren't being recruited because we're concentrating on, concentrating too much on, you know, twin evils or some know, the twin evils or some people them of in

people call them of in inclusivity diversion, inclusivity and diversion, rather concentrating on rather than concentrating on getting who can just get getting people who can just get out there and fight and do the job. i mean, you think that job. i mean, do you think that has been a problem with recruitment recently? has been a problem with recruthinkt recently? has been a problem with recruthink there's ly? has been a problem with recruthink there's a? has been a problem with recruthink there's a lot of >> i think there's a lot of that. the military is too pc. you know, i talk to people across the military all the time and, they're having to across the military all the time and, through they're having to across the military all the time and, through hoops�*re having to across the military all the time and, through hoops and aving to across the military all the time and, through hoops and tong to across the military all the time and, through hoops and to do to jump through hoops and to do things are disabling and things that are disabling and they're not being looked after in know, their in their, you know, their accommodation. they're being accommodation. they're not being looked terms and looked after in their terms and conditions, pay at the conditions, military pay at the more junior levels is terrible at the more senior levels, you know, is significant. but, you know, is significant. but, you know, of defence know, the ministry of defence in, you know, the chief of defence people's area has got an inclusiveness and diversity to star civil servant. now that's the a general rank that's in there who's paid over £100,000 a year with a complete department of people looking at things . of people looking at things. i've seen zero beneficial output from that department and they're all in final salary pension. so minister of defence is wasting money hand over fist on a lot of this. like a lot of other

government departments are doing as well. >> god that's that's that's amazing i didn't that. so amazing i didn't know that. so thank for that. and thank thank you for that. and thank you much joining us you very much for joining us today. is our philip ingram today. that is our philip ingram mba thank very much. mba there. thank you very much. with some frankly fairly sobering , with some frankly fairly sobering, sobering with some frankly fairly sobering , sobering thoughts sobering, sobering thoughts there. nigel, what what do you make of this report and what you've just heard philip say? >> i mean, i think that >> well, i mean, i think that the is that we the problem really is that we have years relative peace . have 80 years of relative peace. yes. as result of that, we've yes. as a result of that, we've become complacent . and we know become complacent. and we know that we've had to fight various foreign so right from foreign wars. so right from korea down to iran to iraq and afghanistan at the moment, we're facing a situation where it would be very easy for a war to happenin would be very easy for a war to happen in mainland europe, a serious war with russia . all it serious war with russia. all it needsis serious war with russia. all it needs is an accident to take place. the russian unit crosses into nato territory, plane gets shot down, something like that, the question really, we've got to think about is what do we need our defence to be? you mentioned with philip, well, do

we need a land army? do we need conventional forces to deal with with russia , or are we better with russia, or are we better off with the system that we that we've had since the cold war? that's trident submarines carrying 40 nuclear warheads, each one with eight times the power of hiroshima. however, it costs , it'll come to about £200 costs, it'll come to about £200 billion more than the nhs costs us. is that the best way of deaung us. is that the best way of dealing with it? so we've got submarines that can pop up out of anywhere far their nuclear missiles, and that's a great deterrent. it depends what we want do want to fight want. do you want to fight a conventional war? do we to conventional war? do we want to actually win a nuclear war? >> well, the trident >> well, we tried the trident one. it sort of was a bit of flop. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the recent recent test was was somewhat embarrassing. yes. but if it's all working properly, everything's plugged but if it's all working proplugged arything's plugged but if it's all working proplugged aryproperly,.ugged in, plugged in properly, it should job. should do its job. >> mean, are we always >> i mean, are we always thought, didn't we? i mean, as nigel said, we've had peace for a thankfully our a long time. thankfully our lifetime, always thought lifetime, but i always thought that, you know, it'd be more of a cyber now. a conflict a cyber war now. a conflict would be fought on a cyber footing. but you witnessed the

scenes we're in scenes that we're seeing in ukraine. it's literally back to the trenches. >> and that's why i don't >> it is. and that's why i don't think we can ever rule out having to have more people in the armed forces. it is a the armed forces. and it is a fantastic grew in fantastic career. i grew up in a in a forces family, so i'm always going to really always going to be really supportive of my son goes supportive of that. my son goes to a military school, it's to a military school, so it's right there front and centre, but think that we need be but i think that we need to be able it properly. now. able to fund it properly. now. the does, not quite spend the mod does, not quite spend its money correctly either, a bit like any large organisation. i think there is a lot of money wasted . wasted. >> realise what philip said about a basically a civil servant on £100,000 while we're sending into into conflict sending kids into into conflict in theory, on 20 grand a year. >> exactly . and we need to >> exactly. and we need to invest in those people much more than we need to invest in civil servants telling us which pronouns to use and everything else i think in a war situation, nobody cares. that's not to say that but in that it's not important, but in that it's not important, but in that of situation, it isn't that kind of situation, it isn't . we to make sure that . we need to make sure that they've boots. we need to they've got boots. we need to make that they've got the make sure that they've got the correct equipment fire with.

correct equipment to fire with. they've of the backup they've got to all of the backup that they need when they are overseas, which is inevitably what we what it is going to be. and we need to sure that the need to make sure that the equipment we have is up to equipment that we have is up to scratch because unfortunately , scratch because unfortunately, we are low on some of the we are so low on some of the stocks of very , very simple stocks of very, very simple things like weapons that we've got really old stock that's you do worry that it's not going to work when it's absolutely needed. yeah, absolutely. case in is the case in in point, and it is the case in point. so we don't use this point. so if we don't use this stuff properly, if we don't invest then it's not going invest in it then it's not going to be any when it comes to to be any good when it comes to it. >> so we need to invest more in the defence budget. >> we yes. i mean >> probably we do. yes. i mean the argument is why neither the argument is why is neither labour committed labour nor the tories committed to money, it's to doing that money, it's a question where you going question of where are you going to put you put your money. and as pointing out with, with as i was pointing outwith, with trident, if trident going to trident, if trident is going to going cost you 200 billion, going to cost you 200 billion, do then it in do we then invest it in conventional forces instead? what do is we cannot what we can't do is we cannot afford both and then what do you do about the nhs pensions? and so it goes on. at the moment we do not have the to money do

everything. and so we probably can increase our defence spending to 2.5% of gdp, which is what grant shapps, the defence secretary, would like us to do . and donald trump wants us to do. and donald trump wants us to do. and donald trump wants us to do. and donald trump wants us to do it if he becomes president. but we just simply can't do everything. something will have to go from somewhere else. >> well, here's the thing, claire. what about, i don't know, something like foreign aid? >> well, it's too tiny . >> well, it's too tiny. >> well, it's too tiny. >> it's too small. >> it's too small. >> it's too small. >> it wouldn't make an awful lot of difference, but it would help. would help. help. yes, it would help. >> we're talking billions >> but we're talking billions here. mean, whoa, whoa, here. i mean, whoa, whoa, whoa, right down the corner. quoining. exactly what's going on here? it's defence. >> it must be a man's area. >>— >> it must be a man's area. >> yeah, it's bad guys boy stuff. >> exactly. but the thing with, foreign aid spending is that you've got to look at the projects that it goes on. yes there are some which we all look at as a very bad waste of money when you're looking at a space program for places like pakistan and chinese. yeah, and helping the chinese. yeah, absolutely. majority of absolutely. but the majority of it those places in, say , it goes to those places in, say,

sub—saharan africa where it educates children . it educates women and children. it also provides health care, especially for women , which i'm especially for women, which i'm very much in favour of, of course. and you, you need to be able to look at what your programs do. do they educate people in the middle east? are they going to be able to get an education be able education themselves to be able to own countries to make their own countries a much more prosperous much safer and more prosperous place? so think you need to be place? so i think you need to be able to invest those of able to invest in those kind of foreign incumbent foreign areas. it's incumbent upon able to do so. and upon us to be able to do so. and also, from the defence point of view, we do train an awful lot of those armed forces in other countries the countries because we are the very best at doing it. so i don't think you could cut the foreign budget down. i think foreign aid budget down. i think it would to i it would be wrong to do it. i think that whole other think that is a whole other argument as to what you fund, but you can't cut it, right? >> okay, so nigel, about >> okay, so nigel, it's about guns. about this guns. you can talk about this one, boy, what about, for one, your boy, what about, for example, i don't example, we can find, i don't know £7 million a day. is know what, £7 million a day. is it to put illegal migrants, many of them up in hotels? we can find money we need it. well find money when we need it. well i mean, you can find we've found

money during the pandemic. >> i mean, you were talking about £400 billion that rishi sunak seemed to find down the back of a sofa and was able to pay back of a sofa and was able to pay furlough for a very small man. >> yes, well, there's always that, so, yes, we can find the money, but but in the long term you would have to take it from somewhere else. we're now paying the price for the pandemic and the price for the pandemic and the amount money spent during the amount of money spent during there , if we think defence there, if we think defence should be the top priority, that's fine. but it means that something else won't be. and there are too many calls in the pubuc there are too many calls in the public purse. it's as simple as that. >> start resorting the nhs out, maybe making that more efficient . that'll save a few bob. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> but everyone's scared to go near that, aren't they? >> they are. >> they are. >> i mean i think it needs it >> they are. >> i nreal i think it needs it >> they are. >> i nreal root nk it needs it >> they are. >> i nreal root and! needs it >> they are. >> i nreal root and branch it needs real root and branch reform. not just actually twiddling at the edges, twiddling at the edges, twiddling lot of twiddling twiddling a lot of twiddling going knobs up. going on, knobs coming up. >> way, now, for all the >> by the way, now, for all the best analysis and opinion on that and more, you can go that story and more, you can go to the website at gb news.com. and been and lots of you have been sending in on the

sending your thoughts in on the subjects talking about. subjects we're talking about. keep them coming at gb keep them coming gb views at gb news. com andrew says, why is israel potentially allowed israel potentially not allowed to defend itself from the aggression of a terrorist organisation? according to the uk foreign secretary, why does israel to obey the law but israel have to obey the law but hamas doesn't? well, it's a lot of you agreeing with that comment. meanwhile, ian says war is a dirty business. the attack on the aid convoy was an unfortunate accident. it's not the first time when it comes to war. i don't remember such a furore when, after the disastrous withdrawal from afghanistan, the us drone to vehicle are donated, containing an aid worker and children. yeah. when america does it, it's an aid worker and children. friendly fire. that's how they get away with it, isn't it? appalling. and val has emailed in on the couples with different political persuasions. she says, over our 46 years of marriage, congratulations. 46 years of marriage. i can assure you that our politics have crossed several poles many times over the years, but it shouldn't be irrelevant. you don't need to like the same things, but you do

need to want the same things to make a marriage work. hallelujah to that one. yes, right. i'm dawn neesom this is gb news sunday and there's loads more coming up on today's show. david lammy snapped at his labour lammy has snapped at his labour colleagues who want to get rid of the union flag from their leaflets. but why do some people in this country have a problem with that national flag? find out after this much more to come. this is gb news, britain's news channel .

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you for every step of this journey in 2024. gb news is britain's election . britain's election. channel. >> welcome back to gb news anas sarwar good voices in my head, i'm dawn neesom and this is indeed gb news on telly, online and on your digital radio show now, david lammy, not often you agree with him. i should imagine, but shadow foreign secretary david lammy has had a go at some of his labour colleagues who want to get rid of the unite the union flag from their campaign materials . lammy their campaign materials. lammy said labour should proudly fly the national flag, saying we will never stand it down. but i want to ask why do some people have a problem with that union flag? let's see what our panel make of this one, she says, sitting in front of proudly in front of a union flag design. it's actually red, white and

blue as well. i mean, that's not catching on these days, is it? we can have purple and pink, but you can't have red, white and blue, for once, i find blue, no. for once, i find myself in complete agreement with . with david lammy. >> i know, me too. and i was all ready to disagree. you see ready to disagree. when you see the words david lammy coming up right, never with the words david lammy coming up ri word never with the words david lammy coming up ri word he never with the words david lammy coming up ri word he says. ver with the words david lammy coming up ri word he says. but with the words david lammy coming up ri word he says. but is. with the words david lammy coming up ri word he says. but is. hei the words david lammy coming up ri word he says. but is. he is a word he says. but he is. he is right. why should you away right. why should you shy away from using your national flag on a of literature, a piece of literature, especially up especially when it's coming up to election, to to a general election, to featuring the country? absolutely. decide leads absolutely. to decide who leads this country with this flag? i don't get it . people get very don't get it. people get very upset about flags, and i feel that we just need to accept that this is our flag. we need to be proud of our country, proud of our flag. don't be embarrassed by it. why would you ever be embarrassed by it? and don't change to pink and purple and change it to pink and purple and all the rest of it. but why shouldn't it be on leaflets for a political party? i don't get the moral outrage at all. >> i think that it's, there was a specific issue here. so what it was was labour mps,

especially in multi—ethnic constituencies . and what they constituencies. and what they were saying was that the all the leaflets were the same. they wanted leaflets tailored more for constituencies . and for their constituencies. and the union jack was very big. so when it landed on someone's doorstep, they might equally think it came from a far right party or the tories. so the mps were just saying, could we have not not let's get rid of the flag , but could we have flag, but could we have something that is more geared up to our individual circumstances rather generic of rather than a generic kind of leaflet that went across the whole country? so that's the background to it . whole country? so that's the background to it. i'm not i mean, i'm not against the flag. i don't think you have to wrap yourself in it to be a patriot, and when it comes to using the words pride, i'm pleased to be british. i'm not proud to be british. i'm not proud to be british because i had hand in british because i had no hand in being british. >> pleased. it's pleased . >> pleased. it's pleased. >> pleased. it's pleased. >> i mean, it's just ridiculous. she should be proud. you should be proud of your nation. you should be proud to be british. >> why should i be proud of something that i had nothing to

do with? that british by do with? that i'm british by. by a accident of birth. a complete accident of birth. it's achievement of mine. it's not an achievement of mine. >> i'm proud with how we >> i'm very proud with how we deau >> i'm very proud with how we dealt world wars and dealt with world wars one and two, and i wasn't any part in that either. they're slightly before i'm very before i was born, but i'm very proud we have nation that proud that we have a nation that pulls when it pulls together when it absolutely needs to. and at the moment feels little bit moment it feels a little bit broken. when things broken. but when things go wrong, comes together wrong, the nation comes together like never before. i'm like never before. and i'm really proud that. really proud of that. >> different. you're >> that's different. you're talking about action by the talking about an action by the by country, which i think by the country, which i think about! by the country, which i think about i think is fine. if you if you all contributed to that, you can be proud of those achievements. what i'm saying is that i've got brown but that i've got brown eyes, but i can't be proud of them because it's that i had no it's something that i had no control i've not control over. i've not contributed to that at all. in the same way i've not contributed to my britishness. >> but you're also then. okay, well , let's >> but you're also then. okay, well, let's just you being well, let's just park you being pleased be british, because pleased to be british, because that just really that just seems a really a really wet thing to say. i'm terribly sorry , but the leaflets terribly sorry, but the leaflets going out to park it. >> but carry on. >> but carry on. >> but carry on. >> but leaflets going out into

communities, there are a lot more diverse. well, a lot of those communities may well actually be british just because they happen to be a different from a different background to begin with. majority of them, or second or third born british people, i don't i don't think they're going a lot of people won't be won't be. >> we quite pleased to see a union jack coming through on their election literature. take all those points, the point the mps making is that it didn't mps are making is that it didn't work necessarily in their particular constituency . we particular constituency. we don't know which mps, made made complaints . don't know which mps, made made complaints. so don't know which mps, made made complaints . so therefore we complaints. so therefore we don't know the constituencies involved, they were saying involved, but they were saying all they wanted was something a bit more tailor made to what they actually face on the streets when they out streets when they go out knocking doors, and they are knocking the doors, and they are perfectly do with perfectly able to do that with their own election expenses i their own election expenses is i mean, me you, you can mean, let me tell you, you can have national party have the national party literature then you have have the national party literempe then you have have the national party literemp literature you have have the national party literemp literature that have have the national party literemp literature that goes out your mp literature that goes out and you design that however and you can design that however you please. >> you can in the >> certainly you can in the conservative of conservative party the party of choice. what you choice. you can do what you like. i'm sure that the

like. and i'm sure that the labour party also have very similar towards that. labour party also have very sinilar towards that. labour party also have very sini think towards that. labour party also have very sini think this towards that. labour party also have very sini think this istowards that. labour party also have very sini think this is awards that. labour party also have very sini think this is a massive at. so i think this is a massive non—problem , caused by a very non—problem, caused by a very small group of labour mps. >> well, it may be a small group. i was just explaining the background to it and why they felt that they would like it by implication. >> your explanation , nigel, does >> your explanation, nigel, does make it sound like they are ashamed of that flag. >> no, i think they're worried about that flag. >> they fear that their constituents will find the flag offensive. >> yes. and the issue there for some of those constituents will be far right parties who appropriate the union jack. and they've had problems with those far right parties in those particular areas. >> david lammy grew up in the 70s in north london, when the national front were literally waving union flags in his face. he doesn't have a problem with it. >> no, he doesn't, and i'm sure there are an awful lot of people like david who wouldn't have a problem either. i walked round his constituency with him. it's a multi—ethnic constituency and

yes, those are experiences he's talking about there. when he when young, were when he was young, were absolutely horrible he's absolutely horrible and he's proud proud of the union proud of the proud of the union jack. that is that is his view. that's great. same thing might apply that's great. same thing might apply in most areas of britain, but in a few places where where labour mps are going out to try and get votes, it doesn't, do you think then claire, we're tackling this from the wrong angle rather than actually . angle rather than actually. >> well, okay, we understand you might be offended by the national flag of the country you are choosing to live in, and we have lots of people coming here to here of their own free to live here of their own free will. we start telling them, actually, no, you're living in this country. should be this country. you should be proud national flag . proud of the national flag. >> can you imagine in america, if presidential candidates were told that they couldn't use the stars and stripes anywhere dunng stars and stripes anywhere during campaign? i mean, during their campaign? i mean, i think would be utter think there would be utter uproar rightly so. it think there would be utter ugkind rightly so. it think there would be utter ugkind of rightly so. it think there would be utter ugkind of beggarsightly so. it think there would be utter ugkind of beggars beliefso. it think there would be utter ugkind of beggars belief that it kind of beggars belief that you want to be able to tell people, oh, we're terribly sorry that we're going to have to put a flag on it. it feels very apologetic. i think just

apologetic. i think you just need to able to go out there need to be able to go out there and it. as you say, people and do it. as you say, people are choosing to here. are choosing to live here. people want here. the are choosing to live here. peofis want here. the are choosing to live here. peofis partt here. the are choosing to live here. peofis part of here. the are choosing to live here. peofis part of the here. the are choosing to live here. peofis part of the identity'he are choosing to live here. peofis part of the identity of flag is part of the identity of the put it on there and the country. put it on there and don't make such a fuss about it. >> let me what you think >> let me know what you think because you wouldn't have this debate in scotland would debate in scotland either, would you? i mean, if someone you? i bet i mean, if someone said, oh, can't use the said, oh, you can't use the saltire electioneering saltire on your electioneering material, happen, material, that wouldn't happen, would case, me would it? in any case, let me know. views at gb news. com know. gb views at gb news. com i'm neesom this is gb i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news on a sunday. plenty more coming up on today's show. but first the news headlines first it's the news headlines with ray. >> 2:31. our top stories this hour. >> 2:31. our top stories this hour . rishi >> 2:31. our top stories this hour. rishi sunak says the government continues to stand by israel's right to defend its security. six months on from the october seven terror attacks marking that occasion, the pm said the uk is shocked by the bloodshed and called for an immediate humanitarian pause in fighting. he also urged hamas to release its hostages and implored israel to get aid into gaza more swiftly . well.

gaza more swiftly. well. meanwhile, the foreign secretary has used the occasion to stress that the uk's support for israel is not unconditional. writing in the sunday times, lord cameron said there is no doubt where the blame lies over the death of three british aid workers. and he added that this must never happen again. john chapman , happen again. john chapman, james henderson and james kirby died in airstrikes carried out by the idf on an aid convoy on april 1st. well, the deputy pm has denied claims that the uk is failing to prepare for war. oliver dowden is defending the government after outgoing armed forces ministerjames heappey forces minister james heappey told the telegraph that only mod officials attended a wartime preparation exercise , which was preparation exercise, which was meant for the whole of government. former defence secretary ben wallace is backing him up. he says too many in government are just hoping that everything will go away and

police have named a man that they are hunting for after a woman was stabbed to death in broad daylight in bradford city centre, west yorkshire police detectives say that what they want to trace 25 year old habiba masoom, who is from the oldham area. they were called to the city centre saturday city centre on saturday afternoon following reports of an attack by man who fled the an attack by a man who fled the scene . the woman was taken to scene. the woman was taken to hospital she later died . hospital where she later died. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now. all go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> thank you very much, ray. there's plenty more coming up on today's show. but before i tell you what, we've got lined up for you, nana akua show is on after hours at 3:00, and she joins us now to tell us what's coming up. nana, what have you got on your show today? oh, well, hopefully you will enjoy, coming up, i'm going do i'm doing

going to do i'm doing a monologue on angela rayner. >> stay tuned to find out >> so stay tuned to find out what that's about. plus, my mystery guest. now, this is my outside guest at about 5:00, is a gangster. he's a gangster who's turned his life around, he now has. he's a ceo of a very successful company. now he'll be telling his story. plus, he's got a new book out called extra ordinary. so it's down to the viewers to guess and try and work out who that person is. plus usual great british plus the usual great british debates. talking about debates. we'll be talking about kind of the same stuff you've been talking about, but do you think country is prepared think this country is prepared for war? do think we are? so for war? do you think we are? so all of that coming up on my show. yeah. >> brilliant. that sounds a cracker. don't miss that one. thank very much, nana. and thank you very much, nana. and remember, get in touch remember, you can get in touch about the stories we're about all the stories we're discussing emailing us discussing today by emailing us on at gb news. com or on gb views at gb news. com or message socials. we're message us on our socials. we're at news right, there's at gb news and right, there's loads coming up on today's loads more coming up on today's show. is the highlight of show. this is the highlight of the has the famous the show. why has the famous dorset eating competition dorset knob eating competition been put on the back burner? all of that and much more to come.

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there. thank you so much for joining us. i really appreciate your time today. on your your time today. i'm on your telly online on on radio. so there's no escape now there's no escape basically. now lots of have been sending in lots of you have been sending in your thoughts the general your thoughts on on the general election says, think election on, alan says, i think the way out as usual. the polls are way out as usual. we are hearing project fear. oh my god, remember that if you vote this. if vote that i'm vote this. if you vote that i'm voting reform because i don't see another option. lots of you are team reform today. it has to be said labour and tories are just two cheeks of the same backside right . okay. well backside right. okay. well meanwhile, andy says reason , meanwhile, andy says the reason, a lot of the current government's promises haven't been delivered is because the opposition had been blocking them at every turn. i await with bated breath how many times labour and starmer used the excuse of 14 years of conservative government to u—turn on any of their promises that they can't be achieved? well and seamless link from talking about politics to a knob eating competition, it's been cancelled, evidently due to health and safety fears. the

annual. health and safety fears. the annual . i'm health and safety fears. the annual. i'm reading this with a straight face here. i want to see the annual dorset knob festival is taking place this july, with many games including splat the knob putt the knob, they are still going ahead, by they are still going ahead, by the way, but this quirky event and that's a word i'm using in terms of many others i could use, is a celebration of the traditional dorset knob biscuit, a dry and tough delicacy made from bread, a bit like a rock cake, if you will. now knobs , i think. >> claire sniggering. i'm sorry. >> claire sniggering. i'm sorry. >> there's something about that word that brings out the school girl in everyone at school boy and school boy. >> yeah, indeed . yeah. >> yeah, indeed. yeah. >> yeah, indeed. yeah. >> so this is i mean, basically the serious side of this story is like a health and safety issue has said this is a traditional it's been going on for, centuries. it's like for, for centuries. it's like you can't do it anymore because it's dangerous . well, i know it's dangerous. well, i know there's a serious side to the knobs.

>> i've never had a dorset knob. so, i see you can't even say this. should we just substitute the word biscuit until after? no, no , after 9:00. no, no, after 9:00. >> after 9:00? >> after 9:00? >> so your confession is you've never had a dorset. >> i've not had a dorset knob, so i don't know if you start eating one whether or not there is actually a risk of choking or something like that. the something like that. so in the event of that. >> oh, for goodness sake, is there risk or is it there? there a risk or is it there? i don't know, is that really can choke on anything ? choke on anything? >> you can choke on a hobnob. well, the pigs available. well, the pigs are available. >> but it just health and >> yes, but it just health and safety. >> is there to protect you from, you know, sort of getting run over and things like that. but you kind of think, well, it's something this. it'sjust something like this. it's just common yes might hurt common sense. yes it might hurt if throws it at you. if somebody throws it at you. it's shaped, but it's a sort of funny shaped, but a biscuit. a dense biscuit. >> throwing is okay. >> the throwing is okay. >> the throwing is okay. >> tossing is still a classic. >> tossing is still a classic. >> yes. so the fact is. >> so they're allowing you to, to chuck a knob across a distance. and that's not deemed to unacceptable. you to be unacceptable. but you can't because you might can't eat it because you might choke it. i mean really it's

choke on it. i mean really it's a competition. it's the very best all things british. the best of all things british. the fact i've sniggering fact that i've been sniggering about word knob eating about the word knob eating contest for several hours already, and will continue to do so. it'sjust part already, and will continue to do so. it's just part of a tradition in that area of dorset. and why should the health and safety individuals be all up to see a tiny bit of tradition gone? >> i mean, you still throw knobs around the place. and what was that one knob? >> splat, splat. slatting knobs. >> splat, splat. slatting knobs. >> i would love to see the official statistics for how many people had been injured during official statistics for how many peo knobad been injured during official statistics for how many peo knob eatingi injured during official statistics for how many peo knob eating contest. during the knob eating contest. >> i'm sure many >> yeah, well, i'm sure as many as die car crashes, but well, as die in car crashes, but well, there you go. what we're there you go. but what we're talking about is something that might and the rest might be a problem, and the rest of festival can go ahead. so of the festival can go ahead. so you're only taking a tiny bit out the festival saying, out of the festival by saying, well, we don't want to have a corpse at end of it. corpse at the end of it. >> you need health warnings on everything your mouth. basically, do not do put >> basically, do not do not put this in your mouth. you might choke. >> well, i'm not quite everything. no, but i need to fill at stake without thinking. oh, i get health and

oh, i must get health and safety, appreciate yes, safety, i appreciate that. yes, of are. of course they are. >> exactly. you're such ho. 110. >> no. >> no. you're just being a complete fun sponge. that's all it is. you're taking the fun out. >> okay, em- em rm you >> okay, but i'm sure you wouldn't to end up going in wouldn't want to end up going in an ambulance to hospital and saying the doctor, what do saying to the doctor, what do you for? eating. you here for? knob eating. >> had to go there. you here for? knob eating. >> he had to go there. oh, yeah. >> he had to go there. oh, yeah. >> if you are from dorset, by the way, and you have been injured by a knob , please do get injured by a knob, please do get injured by a knob, please do get in views at gb news. in touch. gb views at gb news. com is the way to go about it. how do you live with this man? terrified of putting anything in his by the sounds of it, his mouth by the sounds of it, in case chokes. do you in case he chokes. do you practice heimlich manoeuvre practice your heimlich manoeuvre all the time? >> think there's just >> no, i think there's just there's an ambulance service that'll be manoeuvre, by the way. necessarily, but i'm way. not necessarily, but i'm sure i could. >> i'm sure i could. >>— >> i'm sure i could. >> i'm sure i could. >> i'm not sure i want to go home now. >> can i stay here? >> can i stay here? >> does that mean i get the sofa to myself then? >> yes, with a knob. i mean, they sound very tasty, if you if there are any other traditions

where you are in the world, let us know. i mean, this one obviously is a humorous sign, but the bottom line is, is like, you know, the powers that be are stopping something that people have managed to do for centuries without hurting themselves. obviously, nigel's never been otherwise. that would be a worry, wouldn't it, but. so let us know. gb views at gb news. com if you've been injured by a knob or if you've taken part in any other local tradition, a local tradition that has been banned by the health and the fun police. the fun police . i think police. the fun police. i think we've exhausted all the jokes now, coming up next, we're talking about wildlife preservation and beavers. no we're not. that's a joke. no, thatis we're not. that's a joke. no, that is a joke. no, we are, in any case, if you're offended by the use of the word knob, apologies. i'm just reading that out. by the way, i'm dawn neesom on gb news at sunday. there's loads more coming up on today's show. we're talking biscuits, would you your spouse if would you tell your spouse if you the lottery ? oh, god. you won the lottery? oh, god. the man tasked with giving winners advice says no. all of

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welcome back to gb news. sunday with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. i've got a nice copper and a plate of bickies in front of you. i mean, we going to of you. i mean, we were going to get for nigel in the break, get some for nigel in the break, but can't be trusted. he but he can't be trusted. he might choke. remember, those nights past home. nights must fly past at home. they really right now. this they really must right now. this is another one that you can have a with your spouse about. a debate with your spouse about. if national lottery, if you won the national lottery, would your other half a would you tell your other half a man who won hundreds of thousands in the lottery has revealed that he kept it a secret from his wife of 30 years, it was a fair bit of money. i mean, i think it was

north of £500,000 right now. his defence was we have separate bank accounts. we keep our finances separate, but, nigel, i mean, if you won the lottery, you tell claire, wouldn't you? >> well, first of all, i don't do the lottery. >> claire does ? yes. no, >> claire does? yes. no, exactly. claire buys all the tickets , so you might choke. tickets, so you might choke. i mean, come on, all that money. >> well, indeed, well, first of all, i don't know quite how you keep it a secret anyway, on the basis. well, the two of us, we work together, so we're pretty much in each other's company 24 hours a day. i'm not quite sure i could. could hide the brand new car that i might buy some natty suits, things like that. claire actually realise claire would actually realise instantly something had happened. but yeah, i'd tell her anyway. >> would you tell him, claire? yeah. >> she's the one with the lottery ticket. would? yeah, i mean, something like that because you think, well, but we can go off and have a nice houday can go off and have a nice holiday or we can buy something for the house. >> we can go and do all of those

things. and it does make me laugh that you pointed out you might get a new car to put on the driveway. you don't like driving? the driveway. you don't like dri\that's true. >> that's true. >> that's true. >> it's likely to be a status >> so it's likely to be a status symbol there for that reason thing. natty suit thing? thing. the natty suit thing? possibly. one possibly. possibly. but it's one of things that we do spend of those things that we do spend all time together. all of our time together. i think one of us would think that one of us would nofice think that one of us would notice if other one suddenly notice if the other one suddenly was spending without even was just spending without even thinking notice thinking about it, you'd notice a change. thinking about it, you'd notice a changwould notice it. but you >> you would notice it. but you did disappear for an entire day yesterday claire, yesterday on your own, claire, didn't yesterday on your own, claire, didn'did, i didn't any >> i did, i didn't spend any money, though, i. >> does know that? >> but does he know that? i mean, you could be not telling the truth. the weird thing about this that this this story is the fact that this this story is the fact that this this adviser, he's he's this lottery adviser, he's he's told, think, hundreds of told, i think, hundreds of people who won won big. you people who won big, won big. you have win quite a bit of have to win quite a bit of money, and what he was saying was that people, you know, was that most people, you know, you about, you know, the you talk about, you know, the flash know, getting flash car, you know, getting a new etc, etc. most people new house, etc, etc. most people are really sensible. 95% are really, really sensible. 95% of win big, who, he of people who win big, who, he advised, been incredibly advised, have been incredibly sensible with their money. they've looked after the children, the grandchildren, their parents, that sort of their own parents, that sort of thing. so most people do do that

first, rather than, as we joke about rushing out and buying the. >> yeah, and it probably is a joke. you'd actually think, well, good i've actually well, good lord, i've actually come into money. and what do you do you know that do with this? you know that obviously depend how obviously would depend quite how much i don't know much if you won. i don't know what the latest jackpot rollover was on the euromillions. it was like million or something like 63 million or something along lines. won along those lines. if you won that kind money, there's all that kind of money, there's all sorts could do. sorts of things you could do. well, clubbed together well, we'd all clubbed together and buy by news or and we'd buy by gb news or something like that. >> yes, yes, yeah. >>— >> yes, yes, yeah. >> and free biscuits on >> and that free biscuits on the desk the time as well, but desk all the time as well, but it interview, the chap who it this interview, the chap who was, was talking, he said, was, who was talking, he said, the is the brits , the thing is with the brits, we're very reserved with money. we don't think we deserve to treat ourselves in the way some other nationalities might do. >> but i also think it comes down to your your backgrounds. i mean, before we married, mean, before we got married, i was a single parent for nine years and i had to watch every single penny that came in. and i do like a bargain. i will always look to get clothes at a

discount because i because i could never afford to do it. and i think that it's always that sort of mentality that you never know quite when some cost is going to come up. so you always want to have a bit to one side because of if the washing because of that. if the washing machine breaks the car breaks down, whatever it is. so i think brits probably a little bit brits are probably a little bit more sensible. might have more sensible. we might have a dream would dream list where we would go, are go and live, you are we going to go and live, you know, for months of the year know, for six months of the year somewhere hot and sunny. but when came it, you wouldn't when it came to it, you wouldn't do you have your two do that. you might have your two week but you'd probably week holiday, but you'd probably fix the garden fence paint fix the garden fence or paint the living or something fix the garden fence or paint the [simple or something fix the garden fence or paint the [simple because mething fix the garden fence or paint the [simple because metididn't very simple because you didn't have do it have the money to do it previously. so that's like treat. >> yeah. what would you spend it on, nigel, if won claire and was generous enough to share the win with you, would you do? with you, what would you do? what's your. >> would like , like a nice >> i would like, like a nice house in istanbul. >> we like istanbul. and it's one of the places that. so it'd be nice to have a place there if i could afford, a second house, then in athens , one away there. then in athens, one away there. i think that you'd actually

i also think that you'd actually think about doing something where, a bit more than just giving it to charity, but actually doing something with, with some of the leftover money where somebody else would benefit . i think you'd actually benefit. i think you'd actually feel a lot better if you did something like that. >> the other thing that came out of this was that a lot of people >> the other thing that came out of do; was that a lot of people >> the other thing that came out of do that. that a lot of people >> the other thing that came out of do that. ifat a lot of people >> the other thing that came out of do that. if they .ot of people >> the other thing that came out of do that. if they win, people do do that. if they win, obviously thing he said, obviously the one thing he said, this he says, you, this chap, he says, you, i really have drum it into really have to drum it into people that look after yourself first. most people think about charity, about their charity, think about their family thinking family members not thinking about family members not thinking aboit's advice that, >> it's good advice that, though, isn't yeah, that you though, isn't it? yeah, that you do but i you would do that. but i think you would actually think , i've into actually think, i've come into money wouldn't have had money that i wouldn't have had any let's make sure any other way. let's make sure it goes to somebody who needs it more would. more than i would. >> want to make sure that >> you'd want to make sure that your are okay. i want to your friends are okay. i want to make sure that my son was okay. you've got grandchildren. you just want sure everybody just want to make sure everybody gets a. >> colleagues work, work, work. >> colleagues work, work, work. >> friends. >> obviously good friends. i said i think excellent. said yeah, i think excellent. >> much. not so >> i like her very much. not so sure about him anyway. lots sure about him anyway. and lots of you have been sending your thoughts our on and thoughts in our on knobs and health i can't put

health and safety. i can't put it other way. francis in it any other way. francis in gloucestershire says cheese rolling always under rolling is always under health and scrutiny. actually, and safety scrutiny. actually, that's a point. but that does look dangerous, to be fair, meanwhile, paul says, meanwhile, this is paul says, our, lancashire have our, in lancashire they have black pudding throwing competitions. james on competitions. and james says on the knob eating contest never laughed so much in ages. and steve says , can everyone stop steve says, can everyone stop saying sides splitting ? saying my sides are splitting? i'm sorry. thank you so much for your lovely emails, really made me laugh as well. i'm dawn neesom has been gb news on sunday, but don't go anywhere because plenty more because there's plenty more coming up gb news today, at coming up on gb news today, at the moment it's a fiery debate with nana akua at six and then neil oliver with free speech nafion neil oliver with free speech nation at seven and followed by mark dunner. but thank you so much for your time. thanks, claire nigel for being good claire and nigel for being good sports. the kettle on, sports. so get the kettle on, pull a plate of knobs and pull up a plate of knobs and enjoy your afternoon. thanks for watching like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> hello. here's your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days, all of us seeing further rain at times quite blustery winds to storm. kathleen starting to move off away towards off the sea, now away towards the and west of scotland. the north and west of scotland. nofice the north and west of scotland. notice pressure notice how low pressure gathering once towards the gathering once again towards the south—west uk. that's set south—west of the uk. that's set to more wind and rain as to bring more wind and rain as we head into monday. back to this evening though, the this evening though, and the showers starting to ease showers are starting to ease across and wales, at across england and wales, at least for a time, because as we go into the early hours of monday, outbreaks of monday, further outbreaks of rain in from the rain start to push in from the south—west, into parts rain start to push in from the so wales, st, into parts rain start to push in from the so wales, by into parts rain start to push in from the so wales, by the into parts rain start to push in from the so wales, by the end into parts rain start to push in from the so wales, by the end ofito parts rain start to push in from the so wales, by the end of theiarts of wales, by the end of the night, whereas towards the north a very blustery picture, certainly through evening, certainly through the evening, some a some heavy showers around for a time, starting to some heavy showers around for a time,into starting to some heavy showers around for a time,into the starting to some heavy showers around for a time,into the early starting to some heavy showers around for a time,into the early hoursing to some heavy showers around for a time,into the early hours more ease into the early hours more in the way of clear spells developing the north developing across the north of the and rural spots, the uk and in some rural spots, it could turn quite chilly by monday morning as for monday itself, with those outbreaks monday morning as for monday itselare ith those outbreaks monday morning as for monday itselare out hose outbreaks monday morning as for monday itselare out acrossutbreaks monday morning as for monday itselare out across partsiks monday morning as for monday itselare out across parts of rain are out across parts of wales will become more wales will also become more widespread south, widespread from the south, across england wales. as we

across england and wales. as we go the day, of go through the day, some of those outbreaks rain turning those outbreaks of rain turning quite across some southern quite heavy across some southern areas afternoon, areas into the afternoon, whereas northern whereas further north, northern ireland sunshine whereas further north, northern irelanc rain sunshine whereas further north, northern irelancrain arrives sunshine whereas further north, northern irelancrain arrives later. shine whereas further north, northern irelancrain arrives later. and; before rain arrives later. and for mostly fine before rain arrives later. and for lighter mostly fine before rain arrives later. and for lighter winds, mostly fine before rain arrives later. and for lighter winds, more .y fine before rain arrives later. and for lighter winds, more inine before rain arrives later. and for lighter winds, more in the day, lighter winds, more in the way of sunshine than on sunday, and shouldn't too and here it shouldn't feel too bad fairly gentle bad with those fairly gentle winds. temperatures of 10 to 12 celsius 17, celsius peaking at 16 or 17, though towards the south—east of england. unfortunately tuesday looks across looks very unsettled across the uk, dominating the uk, low pressure dominating the scene, outbreaks scene, further outbreaks of rain, blustery too, rain, quite blustery winds too, particularly out towards the particularly wet out towards the north of the uk and it north and west of the uk and it stays pretty unsettled into the week a bit drier week ahead, perhaps a bit drier and to come and a little bit warmer to come thursday. temperatures to 19 celsius. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt sponsors of weather boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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