jeremy hunt, to call chancellor, jeremy hunt, to call him courageous for coming forward. he has now resigned as an mp. well, the other major news this evening, as you've been hearing, european football's governing body has insisted that all of this week's champions league quarter finals will go ahead as planned tonight, despite an islamic state threat. arsenal state terror threat. arsenal will be hosting bayern munich tonight at the emirates stadium. that's in an hour's time. man city are in action. they're playing away to real madrid here. the metropolitan police says it does have a robust policing plan in place for the game this evening. islamic state, of course, the ones who claimed responsibility for that attack last month on a moscow concert hall resulting in the deaths of more than 140 people. six migrants have been injured in the latest wave of violence in the latest wave of violence in northern france, as people smugglers clashed with asylum seekers trying to force their way onto small boats without paying way onto small boats without paying . the latest violence

paying. the latest violence erupted on a beach near dunkirk and resulted in at least two of the migrants being stabbed multiple times. the incident was followed by more violence in the same area just a short while later , police came under attack later, police came under attack from a large group of migrants, who then threw stones, bottles and other missiles at officers who were trying to sort out the affray. meanwhile, prime minister rishi sunak met with the president of rwanda , paul the president of rwanda, paul kagame, at downing street earlier on today. that visit coming as it was revealed some of the housing built to accommodate migrants after they're deported has been sold to on locals. and lastly, his majesty the king has been presented today with the first banknotes featuring his image as he returned from a short easter break to view the new currency at buckingham palace, king charles smiled we understand as he inspected the new notes of each denomination. they'll enter circulation from june. he's only the second british monarch to have his likeness printed on a

banknote, existing banknotes from the reign of queen elizabeth ii will continue to be used alongside the new notes, which go into circulation in june. that's the news for the latest stories. do sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . com slash alerts. >> good evening. in about an hours >> good evening. in about an hour's time , the champions hour's time, the champions league quarter final will kick off at arsenal's emirates stadium. they're playing bayern munich. nothing unusual about that, you may think, but there has been a direct threat to this game from isis. now we have seen isis attacks on football grounds in france twice. it happened there . i do not recall this kind there. i do not recall this kind of threat ever being made to a football ground in the united kingdom, and i wonder, given that 60,000 people were due to

turn up to watch this game tonight, what is actually happening? so why don't we go live to the emirates stadium to join gb news charlie peters? charlie what's happening? and has this affected the size of the crowd ? the crowd? >> well, the met have said this afternoon, nigel, that a robust policing plan is in place for tonight's fixture. they've pointed out that the terror threat in the country right now is substantial, which means that an attack is likely. they say that they are working with their colleagues in counter—terrorism policing and have sought to reassure the public with their strategy. at the same time, they have asked members of the public here to be vigilant and report anything that happens. i've spoken to some officers on the ground here and they have said that nothing that they're doing today is out of the ordinary for a normal police strategy , for a a normal police strategy, for a fixture of this significance, there's no additional measures being taken in light of that threat. published by isis augned threat. published by isis aligned media today. and i've

also spoken to some arsenal fans earlier this evening who said that they were not going to let that they were not going to let that threat get in the way of their first champions league quarter final since 2010. >> slightly nervous, i guess, but you can't let these people ruin your lives. so, you know, it's a big quarterfinal. ruin your lives. so, you know, it's a big quarterfinal . we're it's a big quarterfinal. we're not having a quarter final with arsenal since 2010, so you know you can't not go a result. so you can't not go as a result. so yeah, because i don't i since, you know i, i saw a lot of news about isis about to terrorism , about isis about to terrorism, and lots of them . nearly 90% of and lots of them. nearly 90% of them are fake. so you know, london is a great city. i trust in the, officers, the safety guys. so. >> yeah, grand, you know, i've come over from ireland today, and i used to live here, and we had threats growing up. and you just have to get on with life and just can walk down the and just you can walk down the street anything can happen street and anything can happen to you. you just have to keep to you. so you just have to keep going hope the best.

going and hope for the best. >> there are other >> well, there are other fixtures place tonight fixtures taking place tonight and tomorrow in the champions league. spanish sports league. the spanish sports minister has urged calm for those fixtures in madrid , saying those fixtures in madrid, saying that some 2000 officers from the police and the civil guards will be on duty. but by contrast, in france, the interior minister has put the threat level up to maximum. it was raised to that level after the terrorist attack in moscow earlier last month, killing 137 there. isis claiming that attack . they say that their that attack. they say that their police presence for the fixture in paris has been considerably reinforced . reinforced. >> what's interesting, charlie, i mean, we saw some very stoic responses there from arsenal supporters. you know, life must go on. and i totally get that. and i'm with them. but when you say the policing is robust, say that the policing is robust, but there's no extra added effort, does that mean the police perhaps are not taking this threat too seriously ? this threat too seriously? >> it might suggest, alternatively , that the security

alternatively, that the security services have more information on this threat than we've been let on. of course, isis conducts not just its offensive operations, but also information operations. they want to spread that fear . they want to make that fear. they want to make people feel as though a threat could appear at any moment. and so sharing, as they have done all of those photos of the stadiums, they it's almost certainly going to be the case, want to instil that concern across the continent. but it's also worth noting, as the french have done , in light of their have done, in light of their considerable reinforcement , that considerable reinforcement, that they noted that ten days ago, isis , on their aligned media isis, on their aligned media platforms, did share a photo of bayern munich stadium. so bayern munich are playing here tonight, andifs munich are playing here tonight, and it's very much a case that in europe, the security agencies and the police are taking these threats significantly. >> yeah , absolutely. johnny >> yeah, absolutely. johnny peters, thank you. stay there. come back to us if anything changes, please. well, i'm

joined down the line by martin gallagher, former police superintendent with police scotland. and a football match commander. now of course , commander. now of course, policing any big football match is not a very easy job, we had celtic v rangers recently, which many joked would mean that the new hate speech laws in scotland might have to be instigated in full. how how do you, martin? how do you assess a threat like this? do you take it seriously? do you just carry on as normal? what will the police be doing that's different to normal? >> well good evening, nigel. thanks for having me on and giving me this opportunity, so . giving me this opportunity, so. so first off, i think we have to acknowledge that the police in the uk and the continent are very experienced in these matters. i mean, it's not as if islamic state appeared recently . islamic state appeared recently. this is a threat that's existed for over a decade now and, and threats beforehand. so the

measures have been put in place over time through experience, which will robustly, respond to this threat . i think that, you this threat. i think that, you know, myself as a match commander. these are the sort of, you know, the overall threat is, is one that we've put measures in place to deal with. and tonight, as the cops on the ground were saying to your reporter, nothing's dramatically different because because we're used to this and we're working against this background , i think against this background, i think that the one concern will no doubt be that the, the, the call to arms, for want of a better tum inspires the individual. that's that's the one thing that's very hard to guard against, as you know yourself. and the police will be very alert to that. >> yeah. i was at the euro final a couple of years back. england v italy, where we had some pretty appalling scenes of, well, i guess mass drunkenness or drunkenness and people smashing down barriers and

climbing into , you know, getting climbing into, you know, getting into the ground without tickets , into the ground without tickets, it was, it was the worst sporting event i've ever been to. what is the trick with deaung to. what is the trick with dealing with a mass crowd? i mean, let's say some sort of incident did occur and there was mass panic. how do the police control a mass of people ? control a mass of people? >> okay, so there's emergency procedures. well worked through to evacuate again. so if anything significant occurs, then the police and particularly then the police and particularly the well—developed safety measures that grounds have through the safety officers and stewards will have rehearsed and will implement if necessary, and i'd like to put people's minds at rest that that's something that's well practised. well drilled and well understood, both between the, the, the ground themselves and the police in support of that and other emergency services. so i wouldn't have a concern there, you know, and in terms of when

you're at the game, it's be alert, you know, that's why i mentioned that individual, you know, that if something's suspicious, a suspicious, report it to a police or assure police officer or assure presumably people going into the ground will be have to go through metal detectors, have some basic checks . yes, yes, i some basic checks. yes, yes, i was at the aston villa game on. saturday and had that, you know, so it is you know, it's nothing unusual to be going through that. those measures have been placed for, for years. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> all right. well we i take your words, martin, as words of re reassurance and back to celtic v rangers. how do you i mean how on earth do you police a game like that where there's such enmity between the two to the to the two groups of supporters . supporters. >> so i was never a match commander for a celtic rangers game. a match commanded celtic games and have matched commanded rangers games, but never together. i never had that privilege. in terms of dealing with that level of support, you've got to remember that the

ground there ground at the weekend, there were away supporters. so it's were no away supporters. so it's , so for some time there's been no away support the ground, no away support in the ground, which far easier to which makes it far easier to manage, next season with turn, manage, next season with a turn, turn away support of 5. and that will a different dynamic. will bring a different dynamic. but again, the officers that are used command these games are used to command these games are built up through, the ranks and looking after these games and are, well , well trained to deal are, well, well trained to deal with it. but i appreciate your comment about the hate legislation. that's a whole new game. >> yeah, yeah, it absolutely is. >> yeah, yeah, it absolutely is. >> we'll talk about that another time. martin, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this much indeed for joining us this evening. and we will cross our fingers and hope and pray that everything goes off at the emirates any incident at emirates without any incident at all, before we move to on talk about an extraordinary ruling from the european court of human rights, this morning, which i think has very major implications for national sovereignty, indeed, for having you know, what is the point of general elections after this ruling? but just a quick piece

of news. william wragg, the hazel grove conservative member of parliament, been of parliament, who i've been talking on social media talking about on social media since friday and who after it was revealed he'd had sent intimate photographs of himself to somebody online that he'd neven to somebody online that he'd never, ever met. and then he said, because he was scared and because they had compromising material on him, then gave telephone numbers of colleagues, pubuc telephone numbers of colleagues, public figures to these known bad actors and blackmailers, has this evening voluntarily resigned the whip. now i must admit, i didn't think he'd last till wednesday or thursday . but till wednesday or thursday. but it does make number 10 and number 11 look absolutely stupid in standing up behind him in the way that they did. indeed, it was extraordinary that chancellor jeremy was extraordinary that chancellorjeremy hunt said that chancellor jeremy hunt said that his actions had been courageous. it would seem this government simply can't get anything right. and i suspect as far as mr wragg is concerned , well, i wouldn't is concerned, well, i wouldn't be surprised if we hear a bit

more about this story over the course of the next few days. in a moment , this incredible echr a moment, this incredible echr ruling, which confirms to me why i believe we should leave it and maybe even have a referendum on

well a very significant ruling today in strasbourg at the european court of human rights. an action was taken by a group of elderly, well—meaning swiss women against their own government. and the premise was their government had not been cutting carbon emissions sufficiently, not been meeting net zero obligations. now, you might say, what the hell has this got to do with the european court of human rights, something that was set up post—war to stop abomination, such as the discrimination against the jews that ended up with the

holocaust. but as i've said to you many, many times in the past, the echr is all about judicial activism. it's all about expanding its reach. well, boy, it did this morning because the european court of human rights has decided that under article eight of the convention, which is the right to life, that actually governments have a duty to protect people from climate change and most significantly , change and most significantly, this ruling is binding and will trickle down to influence the law. in all, 46 countries that are signed up to echr, including the united kingdom . yep, the the united kingdom. yep, the right to respect for private and family life has been used to say that governments have a duty to fight climate change, to meet their net zero obligations. now, to me , this just says what i've to me, this just says what i've been saying for years anyway , been saying for years anyway, that we should have no part of this thing whatsoever. i think

the implications for not just national sovereignty , but for national sovereignty, but for general elections are very, very serious indeed. well, somebody who may have a slightly different point of view is tim crosland , who joins me here, crosland, who joins me here, director of plan b, a charity that uses legal action to tackle climate change. now, i'd imagine you're delighted. >> cern, the un certainly am. and one thing we agree with you aboutis and one thing we agree with you about is the significance of this ruling. it's huge because it isn't just those women in switzerland. as you say, there are 46 countries as a part of the council of europe to be distinguished from the european union. of course . and this union. of course. and this ruling is relevant and binding to all of those countries. so it's hugely significant to those women in switzerland. it's hugely significant to the people of switzerland, switzerland. but it's just as important to people here in the uk. >> i mean, its linkage to the european union is actually quite strong. there are interconnecting from strong. there are inteeuropean|g from strong. there are inteeuropean parliament from strong. there are inteeuropean parliament straight the european parliament straight into the european court of human

rights. and of course, you can't be eu member without first be an eu member without first signing up to echr. so they're they're separate eu plus. yes yeah we opted yeah that's right. and we opted with stay of with brexit to stay part of this. here's the point . here's this. here's the point. here's the point tim i think that matters if this court has judged and i'm going to quote it again , and i'm going to quote it again, that governments have a duty to protect people from climate change and whatever that means. but we're talking here about the theory that man made co2 is leading to global warming . leading to global warming. that's what we're talking about. >> the scientific evidence. we're talking about we're talking about the 3% every year of co2 emissions that are man made . well that's not what the made. well that's not what the science says. >> some say 5. >> some say 5. >> no. the science says that the climate change that we've seen since 1750 is attributable to human carbon emissions with a high level of certainty . that is high level of certainty. that is what the science says. >> and it's really but here's my point. only 3 to 5% of all co2

produced every year is produced by man. the rest is naturally occurring. but either way, we can argue that you and i, until the cows come home, we're not going to that. we haven't got going to do that. we haven't got time. there other sciences time. there are other sciences with different points of view, although would accept there although i would accept there are to take your are more scientists to take your side the moment. >> the scientific consensus. >> the scientific consensus. >> yeah, it's not universal. >> yeah, but it's not universal. but is a consensus amongst but there is a consensus amongst many of them. agree with that. many of them. i agree with that. but here's the what if i but here's the point. what if i stand the general election stand for the general election and is a load of and i say this is a load of cobblers? this is a complete load of nonsense . co2 has got load of nonsense. co2 has got nothing to do with global warming. it's all about sun activity and i win a majority in the house of commons and former government. what this judgement means is that i won't be allowed to carry out the will of the people if i stay a signatory to the echr. >> that is the rule of law that you've just described. we have democracy and the rule of law and the point of the rule of law

is that the powerful are held to account. the vulnerable are protected, and we have a law that protects people's right to family life, their right to health, that falls within the scope of article eight. and it's not so different from all the other international agreements we have, whether around nuclear proliferation, whether around free trade. we have international agreements around those things. >> should we just scrap elections and just say, echr, you tell us what to do, boys, and we're happy with that. >> well, of course not. but this is this is an act of parliament, the human rights act that was voted parliamentarians voted on by our parliamentarians with support in voted on by our parliamentarians witilast support in voted on by our parliamentarians witilast century support in voted on by our parliamentarians witilast century in support in voted on by our parliamentarians witilast century in the port in voted on by our parliamentarians witilast century in the last in the last century in the last century, you know, time has moved on since the human rights act. >> time has moved on a lot since the incorporation of the echr over 75 years ago. you see the point i'm making, tim, is whatever points of view we have on this, and we disagree. should a court in strasbourg made up of people, most of whom aren't even

legally qualified, they're jurists. it's this very strange european concept. should they be able to overrule the wishes of the british electorate and a british government >> but they haven't done because this is an act of parliament. and as you mentioned in your opening to this. yeah, the european convention on human rights was established by britain, amongst others, in the aftermath of the second world war years ago. so, so this is a treaty negotiated by our government brought into domestic law by the british parliament and if parliament chooses to, do something about that, well, then it can and it must deal with the consequences of being an international pariah, the only country to have left this in recent years is russia , and if recent years is russia, and if we want to put ourselves into that camp. well so be it. but that's a matter for parliament. >> we're the first country since greenland to leave the european union. i mean, you know, countries make decisions. i mean, i was brought up to

believe that no parliament may bind that bind its successor, that the whole elections was you whole point of elections was you could change under could change the laws under which live by voting which you live by voting differently at the next general election. this somewhat election. i think this somewhat undermines that. >> i think should talk a >> i think we should talk a little bit about the proposition behind which is the duty behind this, which is the duty of a government to protect its people. that doesn't seem to me a particularly radical proposition. if the scientific consensusis proposition. if the scientific consensus is the climate crisis is an immense danger to not just in the future, but now. and one of the important things about the switzerland case was those women in their 70s and 80s. they weren't talking about modern oils or predicted impacts. they were talking about the impact on them right now from unprecedented heat waves in switzerland. one of the claimants had died. in the meantime , but that is what this meantime, but that is what this is about. it's about protecting the public. it's about protecting the public from rising food prices. >> it's about playing god. it's about pretending that we, by

closing all our factories down, can change the weather. it's nonsense. >> well, that's your anti scientific consensus view. it is not what the science says. what the science says is that britain has lost 40% of its wheat crop due to the climate crisis. that's not a prediction. it's a fact. what we're seeing is around the country, homes becoming uninsurable because they've been flooded so often. you can't get insurance anymore. >> this has been happening all through the millennia where climates have changed. i want to put this point to you a slightly different point, but an important point. i think there is, as you know, a general election coming up in india this yeah election coming up in india this year. narenda modi hoping to get in a tum favourite to in for a third tum favourite to do so at the moment he put this tweet out the other day and it's his big boast vote for me. and the tweet is very , very strong. the tweet is very, very strong. it says a remarkable feat crossing 1 billion tonnes in coal and lignite production

marks a historic milestone for india , reflecting our commitment india, reflecting our commitment to ensuring a vibrant coal sector. so here we have india with 1.4 billion people boasting that they're now are themselves mining over a billion tonnes of coal a year and burning it in their own country. we have the fact that china has put out more c02 fact that china has put out more co2 in the last ten years than we ever have since our nation was founded. the real point of this is that our co2 commitments, our net zero commitments, our net zero commitments, are deindustrialising our countries putting huge bills on ordinary consumers when indonesia, india and china dwarf anything that we're doing, are we not handicapping ourselves ? all the handicapping ourselves? all the while, india and countries like that are doing what they're doing. >> city of london is financing 15% of global carbon emissions around the world. we live in a 15. we live in a globalised

economy . yes, a lot of those economy. yes, a lot of those fossil fuel projects around the world are supported by our lawyers, our bankers, our financiers, our insurers. lawyers, our bankers, our financiers, our insurers . so financiers, our insurers. so we're part of all of this separating out any part of it, 15, a tiny part of it. >> well , even 15. >> well, even 15. >> well, even 15. >> look, the global emissions is that a tiny part of it? really? we will burn 4 billion tons of coal this year in the world, 4 billion tons coal. billion tons of coal. >> and we have the oecd are >> and here we have the oecd are telling us that no future british government all the while we rights act no we keep the human rights act no future british government can change policy . change policy. >> that's not what it's saying. it's saying there's an obugafion it's saying there's an obligation on governments to protect their people from scientifically established threats. that's what it's saying. and it does not prescriptive in any way. it specifically says we cannot tell the government how to implement this. all we can do, we have to do is direct the government to follow the science and the science says that the british pubucisin science says that the british public is in serious danger

beyond 1.5 degrees of warming. therefore, the british government must play its part in aligning its policies to that goal >> tim crosland we agree on the significance of this ruling. we may disagree on its implications , but i thank you for coming in and debating it. and folks, you know, as i always say to you here on gb news, you will hear all sides of every argument. but we think ultimately you're big enough ugly enough to make enough and ugly enough to make your in a minute. your own minds up in a minute. gb news political editor christopher had a big sit christopher hope had a big sit down with rachel to down today with rachel reeves to talk about tax plans. talk about labour's tax plans. let's a good look at it and let's have a good look at it and let's see the numbers actually let's have a good look at it and let'supe the numbers actually

today is what the farage moment is. of course , the somewhat is. of course, the somewhat infantile hate crime laws that have been brought in in scotland. now, of course, scotland. now, of course, scotland faces a lot of law and order problems. the highest

drugs deaths of any country in europe. but no, no, no, no. humza yousaf has brought in his own version of hate law. police scotland have now received 8000 complaints already. in fact, if they were to look at all of the so—called hate crimes that have been committed , they wouldn't been committed, they wouldn't have time to do any other police work in scotland whatsoever. this is mindless. work in scotland whatsoever. this is mindless . and of course, this is mindless. and of course, jk rowling as yet has not felt the long arm of the law. i'm very pleased to say it's just crazy. it's just absolutely crazy. it's just absolutely crazy stuff. now i would have paid anything to have been a fly on the wall last night at dinner at mar a lago, where donald trump was there with the british ambassador and with our foreign secretary, lord. yes, lord cameron, let's have a look at what cameron had to say about president trump. just a few years ago. >> i think his remarks are divisive , stupid and wrong. and

divisive, stupid and wrong. and i think if he came to visit our country, i think he'd unite us all against him . all against him. >> cameron of course, cameron, ever the globalist, and cameron, of course, a great friend of president obama, his former conservative politics, very close to president obama's, who of course, if you remember , of course, if you remember, intervened in our referendum and told us vote brexit, you'll go told us vote brexit, you'll go to the back of the queue. i'd love to have been there last night to see cameron eating humble pie. well i'm joined down the line by katie mcfarland, press ardent trump's, of course, first deputy national security adviser and also somebody who held security posts in the nixon , ford and reagan administrations. who better who better than a i hate to call you a veteran, but i'm going to have to call you a republican veteran and an observer of these things. isn't it funny? all these people , katie, around the world, who've been rude , vile about who've been rude, vile about donald trump in the end , they

donald trump in the end, they all have to come and break bread, don't they ? bread, don't they? >> well, not only break bread, but they've got to listen to what he's saying. and when donald trump is talking about where he's talking about the middle he's middle east, whether he's talking about china or the ukraine got to take ukraine war, they've got to take him seriously. and the great thing donald trump, which thing about donald trump, which you understand more than anyone having been in the business world political world before the political world, is donald trump looks at all these situations and all of these situations and doesn't say, let's send in the marines let's you know, talk marines or let's you know, talk about them at the un. he says, let's use the economic weapon, whether it's an economic weapon against iran or the economic weapon against russia in ukraine or economic weapon against or the economic weapon against china. so not only was david cameron eating humble pie after what he said and the insults he gave to president trump, but he probably got an earful on a very different kind of policies than the ones he always had promoted in office and continues to promote. >> yeah, mean, they say, you >> yeah, i mean, they say, you know, the official communique says they discussed brexit, says that they discussed brexit, which, of course, donald trump was supporter of, and the

was a big supporter of, and the british ambassador. i very much doubt was and certainly cameron wasn't. they talked about defence spending maybe actually on this issue. katie there is now some degree of alignment because you know trump has made it clear that america will continue with its leadership of nato, provided members pay the 2% fee. >> you know, the thing that is so annoying about this is when donald trump says things like pay ”p, pay ”p, pay ”p, yo” pay ”p, pay ”p, pay ”p, you know, or, you know, talking about maybe the states is about maybe the united states is rethinking policy towards rethinking its policy towards nato. really doing is nato. what he's really doing is grabbing david grabbing people like david cameron and cameron by the lapels and saying, pay attention, pay your fair share. so donald trump is trying to actually strengthen nato because he wants other nato because he wants the other members nato to contribute. members of nato to contribute. he's not trying to weaken nato. he's not trying to weaken nato. he's trying strengthen it he's trying to strengthen it where difficulties would where the difficulties would genuinely been are over genuinely have been are over policy towards ukraine. >> whereas, you know, cameron is saying to america, come on, keep pumping money into ukraine. and

pro—rata. we will pump money into ukraine as well . i detected into ukraine as well. i detected strongly at cpac just a few weeks back when i saw you there. i detected quite a large sense , i detected quite a large sense, quite a large american feeling that they're not happy continuing to put money into ukraine. >> yeah, but i would separate that from they want russia to take over ukraine. you know, what president trump has said is that on day one of the new trump presidency, he'll do two things close the border drill, baby close the border and drill, baby drill. to make the drill. he is going to make the united that dominant united states that dominant energy provider in the world. and going to, you know , and that's going to, you know, simple demand that simple supply and demand that drives price oil and drives down the price of oil and natural gas that bankrupts russia, it bankrupts iran . russia, and it bankrupts iran. so what's donald trump going to do for the rest of day one? he said at cpac. he said, i'm going to get the russian president on the phone, and i'm going to say to unless you go to to him, unless you go to the negotiating going to negotiating table, i'm going to give ukraine everything it needs offensive he

offensive weapons. and then he said, i'm going to call said, and then i'm going to call zelenskyy, and going to tell zelenskyy, and i'm going to tell him, you go to the him, unless you go to the negotiating table, not going negotiating table, i'm not going to you any weapons. and so to give you any weapons. and so donald trump is looking at a way to the killing, and to stop the killing, find and negotiated solution. then, to stop the killing, find and negtheated solution. then, to stop the killing, find and negtheated sandion. then, to stop the killing, find and negtheated sand this then, to stop the killing, find and negtheated sand this is then, to stop the killing, find and negtheated sand this is whatn, by the way, and this is what everyone misses they say, everyone misses when they say, well, trump to well, that means trump wants to abandon doesn't. abandon ukraine. no he doesn't. what do is bankrupt what he wants to do is bankrupt russia. you know, where's your expensive and the combined western contributions to ukraine have been probably $100 billion. and that's to buy a stalemate . and that's to buy a stalemate. trump is looking at a very different perspective . he's different perspective. he's saying i'll bankrupt russia so they can't afford to pay for a war, and then i'm going to force a negotiation. and then the west will invest in ukraine, rebuild ukraine, be completely, take ukraine, be completely, take ukraine in in all the nato organisations, in the european union organisations, nato will be fully integrated. meanwhile, after fighting and the after the fighting and the killing stops, where is russia? bankrupt, broke . nobody's in russia. >> well, you know, the casualty

figures from the first couple of years of war are the equivalent to the battle of the somme in 1916, about a million casualties now between the two sides. it is genuinely horrific what is going on there. but it's so often the case, isn't it, that trump is wilfully misinterpreted on both the american domestic scene and the american domestic scene and the global scene, but what he wants to achieve and the way he says things are horribly misquotes do you think that david cameron, whatever his prejudices may have been, do you think david cameron would have come away from a proper sit down with trump, actually quite impressed with his foreign policy ideas? >> well, i he has. but you >> well, i hope he has. but you know i'm better than i do. nigel. what do you think? >> well, i actually think that when you sit and talk to trump, rather than reading what, rather than reading what the new york times says, trump said, actually listen to what he says himself. you get a very, very different perspective. and i, i would like to think that cameron has been impressed by trump and whatever

difficulties or differences is he may have had. and hey, you know, we've got a labour government coming in later this yeah government coming in later this year. it's 99% certain. you know, whenever we think about individual politicians , it is in individual politicians, it is in our national interests, both of us, that the uk and america have a close relationship. and i think trump understands that too, doesn't he? >> yeah. know, one of our >> yeah. you know, one of our thoughts in the beginning of the trump administration was, if britain left the european union, brexit, you were the one brexit, which you were the one that managed pull off, if that managed to pull off, if that managed to pull off, if that happened, the first that had happened, the first thing done is a thing we would have done is a us, uk trade agreement. the united states does have united states does not have trade agreements the trade agreements with the european. a of european. we don't have a lot of trade agreements. don't trade agreements. you don't enhen trade agreements. you don't either. had a us, uk either. but if you had a us, uk trade agreement immediately, we don't have a whole lot of issues between disagree on, don't have a whole lot of issues bet\that disagree on, don't have a whole lot of issues bet\that of disagree on, don't have a whole lot of issues bet\that of a disagree on, don't have a whole lot of issues bet\that of a tradeigree on, but that kind of a trade agreement would have boosted both economies overnight. both of our economies overnight. and that's still in the and i think that's still in the back of donald trump's head. is a uk us deal. i'm all for it. well we look forward to that. >> if and when he wins the election, are you feeling

confident, katie, that your man's going to win on november the fifth, i think that the american people are supportive of trump. what i worry about, is the kind of interference in our elections that has happened in the last 2016 and 2020, which is the last 2016 and 2020, which is the intelligence community, whether it was with the russia hoax or whether it was the. and i don't want to get too much in the weeds, but intelligence officials basically said that hunter biden and his laptop and joe biden were not having, you know, corrupt activities. so i'm worried that it'll be stolen , worried that it'll be stolen, not stolen necessarily at the at the, you know, at the ballot box or computers or voting machines. i'm worried that there'll be election interference of disinformation against donald trump. the same thing you just said about, you know, misquoting him, taking him out of context, making him look like somebody he's not. >> yeah. katie mcfarland, as even >> yeah. katie mcfarland, as ever, an absolute pleasure to talk to you, whether it's face to face or down the line, as this evening. thank you very much indeed . and folks, wasn't

much indeed. and folks, wasn't that interesting, you know, to hear her outlining what trump's strategy is to try and bring peace and try and end that horrific war in ukraine, because i must say, the casualties are truly horrific right after the break. it really will be christopher hope and rachel reeves

- i so, -- so, a big day for rachel reeves . so, a big day for rachel reeves. she's laying out labour's tax plans. and here's the problem. you see the conservative budget because they're hitting non—doms means she's going to be 2 billion short for her plans for breakfast clubs. and indeed , breakfast clubs. and indeed, more money for the nhs . and it's more money for the nhs. and it's very funny, this whole debate around the budget, very funny, this whole debate around the budget , both sides around the budget, both sides make it sound like it's a household budget . we have £100 a household budget. we have £100 a month to spend and it's how we

spend that £100. and once £100 is gone, there's nothing we can do. but of course the whole thing is baloney because we're living on borrowed money. we've been living on borrowed money for years. the national debt goes up every single year. that's the first reason why the whole premise, i think of what rachel reeves was saying today is complete and utter nonsense. and the second is this we don't bnngin and the second is this we don't bring in bits of money from income tax or national insurance that specifically goes to different areas. it's called hypothecation of taxes. it doesn't work like that. the money all goes into a central pot. so the idea we tax this bit to put money over there again is for the birds, but we don't seem to have a proper grown up debate in this country about budgets. and when it comes to the increasing size of a national debt, neither party even wants to discuss it . now, one of the

to discuss it. now, one of the first things that christopher hope talked to rachel reeves about was her crackdown on tax avoidance. she's going to save 5 billion over the turn of the next parliament, attacking tax avoidance. well, tax evasion is illegal. tax avoidance isn't . illegal. tax avoidance isn't. and i thought this question from christopher hope was really rather well put. >> you said in your statement there this is a concerted effort, a concerted effort on tax avoidance . what's wrong with tax avoidance. what's wrong with avoidance ? avoidance? >> well, i think that if you made britain your home and you work here, you should pay your fair share of tax here. and that's what these plans are about. >> giovanni isa yes, that's tax avoidance. so what's wrong with that? >> well, there's nothing wrong with our system. we're certainly not going to be cracking down on those all people saving into pensions. but what we've seen over the last few years at hmrc is reduction of cases

is a 20% reduction of cases opened and investigated. looking at not, things like isas and pensions, but not paying the right amount of tax. and similarly we've seen the investigations into, offshore activity . the number of cases activity. the number of cases investigated there halved during the course of this parliament. and as a result, what we've seen is a tax gap now of £36 billion. and the national audit office say that 6 billion of that should be recoverable . and should be recoverable. and that's what the plans are setting out today are all about . setting out today are all about. >> i really wonder, does she know the difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion? he also asked her the question about the sheer scale and size of the national debt. >> certainly not a rounding error is 2 million additional appointments a year in the nhs, 700,000 on the grand scale of spending. i mean, i don't accept that it's a drop in the ocean. the difference that this can make is immense. but i would

accept this. chris the economic inheritance that next inheritance that the next government face, whether it government will face, whether it is me as chancellor or somebody else, is the worst economic inheritance since second inheritance since the second world first parliament world war. the first parliament on record where living standards have actually fallen, the highest burden in 70 years, highest tax burden in 70 years, and debt as a share of our economy close to 100. that's not the inheritance i would want as chancellor , but it is the chancellor, but it is the inheritance. if labour win the next election that i will have, that means difficult choices. it's have been so clear it's why i have been so clear that everything that i put forward will fully costed and forward will be fully costed and fully funded at the end of a very long day. >> christopher hope, gb news political editor, joins me down the line from home, i've got to say, chris, the expression on your face when she was giving her answers, you looked pretty quizzical. >> yes, i thought she didn't quite understand what i was asking her, nigel, because i, in all the information we had from the her party, they want to the from her party, they want to crack down on tax tax avoidance tax dodgers. these aren't

illegal things and isa a pension as a form of avoidance. i was trying to get to understand that lots of our viewers, listeners of gb news have isas, have pensions. that is legal avoidance and give them a break. they've got enough to enough pressure on their tax return for the small amount you can save a year compared to the scale of money taken by the tax man. i don't think she understood what i was trying to say to her. it's all about the fourth time i asked her. but politics is about choices , nigel, and this whole choices, nigel, and this whole policy is hung on a speech made by gareth gareth davies. he's a head of the national audit office and he said but to mps in a speech, in january, that we need, we can save maybe 10 billion or so, by dealing with evasion and avoidance. he means aggressive avoidance schemes, by the way, not isas, not pensions. and that's where they got their 5 billion a year. by the end of this, of this five year period. but what they ignored in that speech was a number which mr mr

davies said. he said the only figure he actually produced in his i'd point to his speech, i'd point to universal credit . he said where universal credit. he said where fraud and error cost taxpayers £5.5 billion. now what's happening here is the shadow chancellor is making a choice, a political choice to go after taxpayers whether they're legal or illegal, aggressive, avoiding or illegal, aggressive, avoiding or evading, go after them. but not touch the big elephant in the room, i think, which is benefits . and that's a that's benefits. and that's a that's a choice labour's making. and if i was the tory party watching that interview, listening to this , interview, listening to this, maybe i'd think, well, hang on, that's interesting because labour's choosing to go after taxpayers, not benefit cheats . taxpayers, not benefit cheats. >> no, that's a very, very strong point. you make . and strong point. you make. and overall, chris, i mean, it seems that the press are giving rachel reeves, you know, a bit of a following wind . you know, she's following wind. you know, she's being talked about in many parts of british media as being a very good performer, good at the

despatch box, i have to say, i'm not convinced that she's really got an economic vision that is any different to that of jeremy hunt . hunt. >> it seems very similar, doesn't it? and i asked that question about this is the point you make regularly. don't you? the scale of the of the of the of the debt, the 100 billion or so, certainly tens of billions we're paying on interest on that debt and that was a concern. why, why? and it's a rounding error. rachel reeves. but she said, actually, if you look at look at the round, look around me, the money was spent well here on the nhs can be spent on breakfast clubs, but i think there's a feeling in the media. nigel i think everyone wants a change of scene. the people change of scene. the new people coming in, all the companies getting money is getting getting the money is getting behind labour now, you know, mark , he's a former bank mark carney, he's a former bank of england governor. they all want to her succeed. there's a favouring wind and that's that. that's that's what the tories are up against right now.

there's a feeling that. but our duty is on on us at to gb news really to hold these people to account because it's very likely she will have the keys to, to 11 downing street in less than a year's time. >> and she's already >> yeah. and she's already prepared ground saying prepared the ground by saying it's the worst economic inheritance since world war ii. christopher hope, as ever. thank you much indeed. that was you very much indeed. that was interesting, jacob, wasn't it? the worst economic. therefore, it's going to be very difficult . it's going to be very difficult. but the point i was really making there at the end is , yes, making there at the end is, yes, there's you know, both sides are attacking non—doms. she may put vat on school fees, private school fees. she may not. overall, the differences are very, very narrow. this is absolutely right. >> and she can't answer this question. i mean to christopher she it's not narrow she was saying it's not narrow but it we spend about but yes it is. we spend about £12 trillion a year, and we're £1.2 trillion a year, and we're talking about between 1 and 2 billion. this is a tiny fraction of total government expenditures , not even a single percentage. it's not even half a percent .

it's not even half a percent. no.and it's not even half a percent. no. and you do have to come to the conclusion that she will basically carry on doing what jeremy hunt is doing. and if you want to have jeremy hunt as chancellor, why on earth don't you keep him rather than having, rachel reeves when it comes to money? >> money for this? money for that isn't the truth. there is no money. >> oh, your point on the consolidated fund is spot on. there is no hypothecated taxation other the bbc taxation other than the bbc licence should there licence fee and nor should there be hypothecated taxation is a terrible it all into terrible idea. it all goes into one fund and a lot of expenditure is determined by events your control, events outside your control, such benefits . how many such as benefits. how many people are unemployed you can't be of the beginning of be sure of at the beginning of the why is this stuff never >> why is this stuff never explained to people? >> it's very good >> oh, it's a very good question. we just hear about it in these soundbites don't in these soundbites that don't go the detail what's go into the detail of what's actually happening, you're actually happening, but you're absolutely money absolutely right that the money from down on non—doms absolutely right that the money frowhatever down on non—doms absolutely right that the money frowhatever doesvn on non—doms absolutely right that the money frowhatever does notn non—doms absolutely right that the money frowhatever does not goion—doms absolutely right that the money frowhatever does not go directly1s or whatever does not go directly to brexit. >> it's completely mad. jacob you're doing the echr ruling i believe i did earlier. >> yes, i know significant on

it. >> significant. >> significant. >> it's obviously extraordinary. it is a fundamental change in what european court what the european court thinks it is really reaching it can do. it is really reaching into the nitty gritty of politics and becoming a legislative body. the time to pull out is now. yeah. and it would bind future british governments. >> all the while, the human rights act stayed in place. that's absolutely right. >> influential not >> this becomes influential not strictly presidential but influential judgements of our influential in judgements of our courts. do you know what? >> i wouldn't mind a referendum on this. i think i think i'd rather enjoy a referendum on the echr. it. from me. let's echr. that's it. from me. let's have a look at the overnight weather from shuttleworth. weather from annie shuttleworth. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update. well, it's going to be a dry and clear night for most of us across the uk. there's a chance of frost tomorrow, but it will also be a fairly bright start. that's us. this ridge of high pressure is moving in for

the evening. it's a brief settled interlude between weather systems, there will weather systems, so there will be to come on be more rain to come on wednesday. but for the time being going be a dry being it's going to be a dry night a clear night. so night and a clear night. so plenty of starry and plenty of starry skies and that's going to allow temperatures away much temperatures to fall away much more than they have done more quickly than they have done of so it's to be a of late. so it's going to be a colder start tomorrow with a risk across eastern risk of frost across eastern areas scotland, northeast areas of scotland, northeast england but everywhere england as well. but everywhere is to be chillier is going to be on the chillier side to the day away from side to start the day away from the far west, where we'll see the far west, where we'll see the rain move in quite quickly tomorrow so northern tomorrow morning. so northern ireland, heaviest ireland, seeing the heaviest rain first thing, but also cloudy and some fairly cloudy skies and some fairly persistent across parts of persistent rain across parts of wales, southwest. it's wales, the southwest. but it's into scotland , west and scotland into scotland, west and scotland into scotland, west and scotland in particular, where rain in particular, where the rain will quite persistent will turn quite persistent through day as well as parts through the day as well as parts of lake district. we could of the lake district. we could see of rain falling through see 60mm of rain falling through the is going to be a the day, but it is going to be a warmer day so that cloud and rain is bringing with it milder air. that stays with us for thursday well. and on thursday as well. and on thursday as well. and on thursday chance of thursday there is the chance of seeing spells, seeing some brighter spells, particularly northern and particularly across northern and eastern areas of the country.

across we're more across the south, we're more likely some drizzly rain likely to see some drizzly rain come go through the day . come and go through the day. friday once again looks like it should stay dry across southern areas with rain moving into areas with more rain moving into the temperatures the north and temperatures rising to the high teens. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news.

>> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight, the european court of human rights has ruled that human rights can be violated by not acting to prevent climate change. this is an extraordinary power grab, turning a court into a politically motivated legal relative. we must leave urgently. otherwise we can expect human rights violations for not building enough wind turbines or solar panels. as the vatican declares , transgender

vatican declares, transgender surgery should never be attempted as it interferes with the will of god. leaked documents from the cass review have suggested young people who believe they are trans may be suffering from mental health problems, but can we be surprised by that? the foreign secretary, lord cameron, has met the former us president donald trump at his florida resort. the former us president donald trump at his florida resort . as trump at his florida resort. as my fellow gb news presenter nigel farage suggests , he could nigel farage suggests, he could be the link between a starmer trump leadership . but did you trump leadership. but did you see mr trump's latest eclipsing new campaign video, plus this year's town hall rich list has been revealed, with more than 3000 councillors earning more than £100,000 of your money all at a time of council tax hikes and record breaking debt bills . and record breaking debt bills. is it time to abolish some of these councils altogether ? state these councils altogether? state of the nation starts now. i'll be joined this evening by

my most perspicacious panel, broadcast journalist giuditta da silva and associate commentator at the telegraph, mumtaz ahmed, as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's your favourite time of the day. news from polly day. it's the news from polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> jacob, thank you and good evening to you will. the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that the mp, william wragg, has resigned from the conservative party after admitting he gave his colleagues phone numbers and details to a suspected scammer. he'll now sit as an independent mp in the house of commons. last night he resigned from two positions on parliamentary committees william wragg has claimed he was manipulated into sharing other politician personal details as part of a westminster sixteen scam. he has since apologised, saying he was mortified and that prompted the chancellor, jeremy hunt, to call him courageous for