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retaliates . this iranian state retaliates. this iranian state media has also carried a warning for the us , saying american for the us, saying american bases would be targeted if washington backs israel's military response. almost all of the drone strikes were shot down last night without any significant damage. however, a small number did reach israeli territory , critically injuring a territory, critically injuring a seven year old girl and causing some damage to an army base. israel says it's poised for further aggression. while speaking a short time ago, the prime minister, rishi sunak , prime minister, rishi sunak, paid tribute to the british pilots involved in the operation i >> -- >> this was a dangerous and unnecessary escalation, which i've condemned in the strongest terms thanks to an international coordinated effort which the united kingdom participated in. almost all of these missiles were intercepted saving lives not just in israel but in neighbouring countries like jordan as well. the raf sent additional planes to the region as part of our existing operations to counter daesh in iraq and syria. i can confirm

that our planes did shoot down a number of iranian attack drones. i don't want to pay tribute to the bravery and professionalism of our pilots flying into the face danger . face of danger. >> rishi sunak is also set to join g7 leaders meeting on video call later for urgent talks to discuss the international response to iran's attack. the iranian foreign ministry has also summoned the ambassadors of britain, france and germany to question what it referred to as their irresponsible stance on its actions . their irresponsible stance on its actions. in their irresponsible stance on its actions . in other news, its actions. in other news, angela rayner is facing mounting pressure over her two homes row after a former aide told police that she had not told the truth about her real home. her former chief adviser has given a statement to greater manchester police contradicting her claims. matt finnigan said there was no doubtin matt finnigan said there was no doubt in his mind that the labour mps actual home in 2014 was with her then husband, not a former council house where she was registered to live . police

was registered to live. police launched an investigation this week looking into possible breaches of electoral law. the deputy labour leader, though , deputy labour leader, though, has promised to step down if it's determined that she did commit a criminal offence, but said she followed all the rules at all times . and sir keir at all times. and sir keir starmer says he has full confidence in her to sydney, where the family of a man who killed six people in a stabbing spree at a shopping centre there has described his actions as truly horrific . police believe truly horrific. police believe 40 year old joel cauchi suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs, including methamphetamine and psychedelics. five people, four women and a man died at the scene of that attack yesterday . scene of that attack yesterday. and another man, another woman, rather the mother of a nine month old baby, later died in hospital. we understand the child, who was also attacked, is now recovering well . the family now recovering well. the family of the suspect have released a statement in support of the police officer who killed him, saying she was only doing her job. the premier of the state of new south wales , chris minns,

new south wales, chris minns, has paid tribute to the members of the public. >> many people would be showing real anger at so many people having been killed and real loss of life , and the individual of life, and the individual stories of those that have been killed, been reported killed, that have been reported in the are heartbreaking, in the media are heartbreaking, i of want to search for i kind of want to search for a silver lining, but it has been incredible to see complete strangers jump in, run towards the danger, put their own lives, in harm's way to save someone that they've never met before. and look, there's not too many positives to take out of a horrifying event , but we've got horrifying event, but we've got some wonderful people in our city. >> turkish officials have launched an investigation and detained 13 people after a deadly cable car collision there. this was the moment. if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see a helicopter rescuing one of the last remaining passengers stranded in mid—air. after that incident, one person was killed. ten others were also injured when the cable car collided with a broken pole, ripping the pod

open and sending people inside plummeting to the rocks below . plummeting to the rocks below. and finally, before we hand back to dawn, some royal news, the duke of kent is stepping down as colonel of the scots guards after 50 years. the duke arrived at regiment's black sunday at the regiment's black sunday parade in westminster this morning. he's there meeting members of the guards, ending his time overseeing the prestigious regiment. edward, who a cousin of queen who was a cousin of queen elizabeth ii, will now hand that role over to the duke of edinburgh , and the 88 year old edinburgh, and the 88 year old says that that position says that holding that position has been a true honour. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. in the meantime, do sign up to gb news alerts. just scan that code there on your screen or go gb news .com/ alerts. or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back dawn now though, it's back to dawn. >> thank you very much, sam. right, let's get straight into today's story. we're starting with the hard news of the day.

the prime minister has condemned iran's attack on israel and confirmed uk jets intercepted a number of iranian drones. >> as i said , the raf moved >> as i said, the raf moved additional planes into the region as part of our existing operations to counter daesh in iraq and syria. and i can confirm that a number of iranian attack drones were shot down and we pay tribute to the bravery and the professionalism of our pilots flying into the face of danger to protect civilians. i chaired a cobra meeting on friday to agree a plan of action, israeli defence officials said more than 300 drones and missiles were launched by iran in an unprecedented attack. >> it's the first time iran has targeted israel directly from its own soil , joining me now is its own soil, joining me now is defence and foreign affairs editor at the telegraph, con coughun editor at the telegraph, con coughlin . con, thank you very coughlin. con, thank you very much for joining coughlin. con, thank you very much forjoining me this sunday much for joining me this sunday lunchtime . now, this is a very lunchtime. now, this is a very scary story for everyone to wake

up to, how scared should we be? >> well, i think the fact that we've intercepted the vast majority of these missiles and drones fired at israel shows that our defences are strong, and i'm glad to hear rishi sunak , saying that he took this threat seriously , that proper threat seriously, that proper raf assets were deployed to the region and took part in the coalition operation to intercept these missiles. >> so, you know, i think, i think on one level, even though this is a major escalation in the conflict between iran and israel , we should take comfort israel, we should take comfort from the fact that hardly any of these missiles got through and that they were intercepted . and that they were intercepted. and i think the one that did get through just caused minor damage and an israeli airbase. so but, i mean, there's no mistake in dawn that this is a major escalation in, for years, iran has relied on its proxies to do its dirty work for it. now we

have the iranians showing their true colours, launching a massive attack on a country that is an ally of the united kingdom, which is why our raf jets were involved in defending israel. so you know, i think we need to rethink how we handle iran very seriously, in the months to come, khan , this is in months to come, khan, this is in retaliation, as far as i understand, to the israel attack on the, compound. >> iranian compound in syria on the 1st of april, which took out one of the generals, one believed to be responsive for the horrors that happened on october the 7th, so it is in retaliation for that. and iran did say overnight, didn't they, that this was the end of it as far as they were concerned, unless unless israel and our, and allies like america and the uk took it further. >> well, it's iran that's taking it further on. i mean, let me

say, first of all, i mean, israel never claims responsibility for these attacks, but this so—called iranian consulate in damascus was not giving out visas. it was basically a command. and control centre for iran's revolutionary guards control its terrorist network, which is why the people killed in this strike were all iranian military personnel. they worked with a unit called the quds force, which supervises groups like hezbollah in southern lebanon, which we regard as a terrorist organisation. hamas in gaza, another terrorist organisation. so this is not just a diplomatic mission. and this, this sort of reveals to my mind how iran conducts business in the middle east. it's always trying to deny its involvement in all all these malign activities. but, you know, the israelis who we all assume attacked the consulate, know precisely what they're up

to. and furthermore, you know, groups like hezbollah , hamas, groups like hezbollah, hamas, the houthi rebels in yemen, who are all backed and directed by iran, are continuing with their efforts. so for iran to say that that's the end of it, well, if it was the end of it, then they get hizbollah to stop attacking northern israel. hamas to withdraw from gaza, and the houthis to stop attacking shipping in in the red sea. that that's how you draw a line under this. and so long as iran supports these groups, we will be at war with iran. >> so, so con, what happens now? what should israel and the allies, i mean, are raf jets have already been involved in this? what should israel do now ? this? what should israel do now? >> well i mean what what they will be looking to do, as in any military conflict is to degrade iran's capabilities to carry on attacking israel and its allies . attacking israel and its allies. and israel's been doing this, as i said, you know, long before

the october the 7th attacks. but since october 7th, we've seen a complete, increase in israeli attacks against iranian backed groups in southern lebanon , in groups in southern lebanon, in syria, and i think that they will continue. and i think the big question is whether israel actually conducts attacks against iran itself. actually conducts attacks against iran itself . and the against iran itself. and the israelis will think they've got every right to do that now they've been attacked. but of course , any act act by israel course, any act act by israel against iran proper rather than its proxies would represent a major escalation and one that could bring us all into a direct confrontation with iran. so, you know, there's a lot to think about at the moment. dawn. >> very funny. we're running out of time. just one final quick question. i mean, obviously, one of iran's closest allies is russia already fighting a ground war in europe . what does it mean war in europe. what does it mean for the russian and indeed the chinese situation ?

chinese situation? >> well, what you're getting, dawn, is almost a new axis of evil, if you can call it that. you've got iran, russia , china you've got iran, russia, china and north korea all all of these are sort of autocratic states or dictatorships , they are all dictatorships, they are all pounng dictatorships, they are all pouring resources to unite and confronting, you know, western democracies around the world. so i just think, you know, this is a wake up call for us rather than trying to engage with the iranians and try and encourage them to improve their behaviour , them to improve their behaviour, which has been our policy for the last 30 years. you know, we've got to take the gloves off, see what it is . off, see iran for what it is. you know, a lot of these drones that were used in the attack last are the drones last night are the same drones russia's in ukraine, russia's been using in ukraine, and we support ukraine. so, yeah, we've got to have a really good look at the way the world is evolving and act accordingly. >> khan thank you very much. i have to say, you have assured me that much, that is, defence and foreign affairs editor at the

telegraph. con coughlin joining me this morning to discuss, obviously, the breaking news overnight iran has overnight that, iran has attacked israel. now, let me see what my brilliant panel make of this one. i'm joined by political commentator kai willsher and broadcaster and journalist mike parry. good afternoon, gentlemen . thank you afternoon, gentlemen. thank you very much for joining afternoon, gentlemen. thank you very much forjoining me on a sunday lunchtime. really appreciate your time, i'm going to come to you first on this, mike. mean , it is scary news. mike. i mean, it is scary news. you wake up this morning and it's it's a direct attack you wake up this morning and it'sisrael.t's a direct attack you wake up this morning and it'sisrael. yeah.iirect attack you wake up this morning and it'sisrael. yeah. by:t attack you wake up this morning and it'sisrael. yeah. by iran, ack you wake up this morning and it'sisrael. yeah. by iran, not by on israel. yeah. by iran, not by not by hezbollah or hamas or anyone else. by iran. i mean, how do you feel? what do you make of. well the problem is that now we're at a very high, dangerous level of for tat, aren't we? >> so iran was so outraged that their embassy had been attacked in damascus , despite the fact in damascus, despite the fact there was plenty of evidence that it wasn't being used as an embassy, as khan said it was. it was full of, you know, military plotters, some of whom had been involved in the plotting of

october the 7th. so they get outraged about that. and they and they made a statement immediately after that attack, which they might have regretted by saying, there will be consequences. we are going to retaliate . so then they had to retaliate. so then they had to retaliate. so then they had to retaliate. now then, you know, they cooled off, i think, in the next few days because the retaliation, was 350 drones. retaliation, it was 350 drones. hardly them got through. hardly any of them got through. one of them mildly damaged a an israeli air force, station. but basically it looks to me i'm no military expert. like a half hearted response because iran realised the consequences of going into an all out war with israel . it going into an all out war with israel. it means the west going into an all out war with israel . it means the west would israel. it means the west would then be at war with iran. there are some neocons in america. i was reading this week john bolton, the former national security adviser in the us, urging that now there is a reason why we can take on iran. you know, for good and destroy

hamas. first and then go after iran. if iran of attacked israel, which is what they've done. so it's this very high level of for tat. what will the israelis now do to respond ? israelis now do to respond? >> kai, what do you make of it all? >> i mean, i totally agree , the >> i mean, i totally agree, the problem that we have at the minute is that we have this for tat. right? and the israeli allies, as we are , are not allies, as we are, are not willing to call out what are seemingly war crimes in gaza . seemingly war crimes in gaza. right. and so we have this issue where you know, we're unable to actually call out what other enemies are doing because of the fact that we're not really being honest about what israel is doing. and so i don't think we're really being, you know, honest actors in this entire conflict. >> sorry. what are these war crimes that are going on? >> well, well, the stopping of

fuel, >> well, well, the stopping of fuel , food, water to gaza? no fuel, food, water to gaza? no that's not that is that's not a deliberate act. >> that is to but that is to prevent terrorists seizing those suppues prevent terrorists seizing those supplies and using them for their own right. they are letting stuff they don't accept. we know they are letting stuff through, but they have to be very what stuff let very careful what stuff they let through goes to, through and where it goes to, because fuels the hamas because it just fuels the hamas army . army. >> i totally disagree, i think the blockade that we've seen has been told by, you know, we've we've been told multiple times that that is a grievous , you that that is a grievous, you know, it doesn't pass international law. it does. you know, anybody could tell. these are things we can see. we can see these things. yeah. if satellite imagery and so on, we can see that there's been a blockade of fuel, water, food, but also that palestinians have

been forced into a corner of their country that they can't escape from, and that they are being bombed away from . being bombed away from. >> i think israel are looking after themselves in any way they can, and they have to after october the 7th. but you know, you're suggesting that hamas and iran are very aware of international law and they , you international law and they, you know, they understand international law and they accept the international laws. everything they do, everything hamas and iran do is against human nature, is against international law, and are, in fact war crimes. you send missiles into somebody else's country as they did . it's a war country as they did. it's a war crime. >> totally agree. but the fact is that a sovereign country should hold itself to a higher standard than oh, i see, i see, so they can shoot or autocratic countries, they can cheat. >> but the west has got to be the good guys. and, you know, let's play fair. we should. you

know, let's have queensberry rules whilst they are committing war dawn till dusk. war crimes from dawn till dusk. >> ridiculous. war crimes from dawn till dusk. >> so ridiculous. war crimes from dawn till dusk. >> so why:ulous. war crimes from dawn till dusk. >> so why are us. war crimes from dawn till dusk. >> so why are you saying that what's happened overnight with iran a direct attack iran launching a direct attack on israel is justified and absolutely not. >> it's not justified at all. but the fact is, iran is a rogue government, a rogue country, and it's been funding terrorist groups that are, attacking israel day and night. but the fact is, israel needs to hold itself to a higher standard. we all are allies of israel, but we can't allow israel to be committing what seem to be war crimes on the basis that, you know, that , that the attack on know, that, that the attack on the 7th of october or this attack by iran is an invasion of its soil. >> so just quickly, because we're running out of time, what should israel do, just ignore this attack? >> no . absolutely not. but the

>> no. absolutely not. but the response needs to be proportionate at the minute it is. but what we saw after the 7th of october was not proportional, but it was the it was not. well, you ignore the horrors of the october the 7th attack. >> i mean, some of the most brutal treatment of prisoners in the history of warfare . and they the history of warfare. and they weren't even prisoners. they, they they were kidnapped. they were detainees. and you seem to say that. well israel should behave better than hamas and better than iran . well, absolutely. >> you've got to fight. israel should behave better than hamas because israel is not a terrorist group. but when hamas is provoke israel and conduct horrendous hideous crimes horrendous and hideous crimes against their people, are you saying, oh, we'll turn the other cheek, you know, not at all. not at all, not you seem to be saying that's not what i'm saying. that's not what i'm saying. >> unfortunately, we are going to have to leave it there. we have run out of time. this is a debate that you're probably having yourselves around the country it's country at the moment. it's a it's scary to wake up

it's a scary thing to wake up to, it's worth talking about, though. hope you appreciate though. i hope you appreciate that. if you want to more that. and if you want to more analysis and opinion this analysis and opinion on this story, please go website story, please go to our website gb news. com right. well i'm dawn neesom this is gb news sunday and there's lots more coming up on today's show. kemi badenoch has attacked the agenda. cowardice of the nhs , agenda. cowardice of the nhs, politics and police saying the attitude of the public sector is worse than the ravings of the militants. wow. strong words calling for more bravery and less cancel culture. is she right, though? all of that and much more to come. this is gb news, britain's news channel. don't far

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and on your digital radio now. kemi badenoch has attacked the cowardice of the nhs, politics and police over gender ideology. she's not left anyone out. actually the equalities minister says the attitude of the public sector is worse than the ravings of the militants. and she's calling for scrutiny of transgender policies in public institutions. i mean, we've been talking about it. the cash report all week, haven't we? about what the tavistock clinic and other nhs institutions have been doing to children who are doubting which gender they are? but is right ? doubting which gender they are? but is right? do we need but is kemi right? do we need more bravery and less cancel culture? her words , not mine, culture? her words, not mine, let's see what my panel make of this , i'm going to mike, i'm this, i'm going to mike, i'm going to come to you first on this one. again, seeing as our, chi was the last one to finish talking, being fair talking, and i'm being fair here. see, mike, is kemi, right? i it's cancel culture just i mean, it's cancel culture just literally cancelling common sense . sense. >> i mean, it's an extremely strong, point of view from her, an extremely strong statement.

she says in the sunday times this morning launched an extraordinary broadside against politicians of every stripe. the police, the media, the nhs and universities. i mean, that's right across the board. okay. and her actual quote is, she says, the cowardice of those in positions of influence was worse than the ravings of the militants. means by militants. what she means by that that if you get that is that okay, if you get raving militants , they're part raving militants, they're part of our society and they're raving militants. but if people in positions of authority who are running the offices of state are running the offices of state are also condescending to extremist views when it comes to transgenderism, then we've got a real problem . and it's real problem. and it's a terribly strong statement. i wish she'd gone on to say, the only person really who's made any sense in this whole argument and who we should all look up to and who we should all look up to and who we should all look up to and who should be given a damehood is, of course, the author , stroke authorjk author, stroke author jk rowling, who is the one person who spoken out with great

clarity on the way she thinks about the issue , which has given about the issue, which has given millions of people a focus. >> i mean, she and for speaking out, she received death threats, rape threats, all sorts of horrific things on social media, a chi i mean, it's, you know, kemi's words are always very strong. she never beats about the bush, does she? but she's saying with the trans ideology in only is it in particular, not only is it harmed kids often something they can't anything about now, but can't do anything about now, but it's silencing people . people it's silencing people. people that wanted to protect kids were shut up because of an ideology, not even a factual medical thing, an ideology. the cult of transgenderism . transgenderism. >> i don't accept that. i don't accept that people who don't believe in trans genderism or don't believe in trans children have not been given a platform because they have. they have been allowed to air their views. we've had this discussion for years and years, and i honestly, i mean, the one thing that really gets me about this debate

is that this is a tiny proportion of the population. this is true transgender children, for instance, puberty blockers are administered to only around 100 children at the minute . in only around 100 children at the minute. in the uk, only around 100 children at the minute . in the uk, that's out of minute. in the uk, that's out of what, 6060 plus million? >> i totally agree with that a tiny bit of horsham, but supported by millions of voices that are encouraging it to develop and develop and develop . develop and develop and develop. >> but but that's totally acceptable in the way that, you know, the fact is, if somebody as a child feels that they are a different gender or believes they are a different gender, they are a different gender, they have the time , over those they have the time, over those many years and the fact is, waiting lists mean that that is many years to transition socially and then to transition medically if they feel but their brains aren't properly developed , are they? but the fact is, the

regret rates of a transition surgery are much , much lower surgery are much, much lower than any other surgery that you would see. and so the fact what really gets me is that we keep talking about this issue, and what it does is make transgender children, transgender people feel isolated, alone. and, you know , hurled out of society. know, hurled out of society. well, because we keep talking about well, i don't accept that in a way that is because, look, if there's a transgender, transgender child, you've got to obviously accommodate their feelings and their and their view and all that, but they're getting an awful lot of support from of adults . from an awful lot of adults. >> aren't >> and their brains aren't developed they're 12, 13 or developed when they're 12, 13 or 14. i think they're 14. and i think they're getting too support from people who too much support from people who i think are irresponsible to push it, because it's an untested science. now the story that really shocked me last week, because when i'm saying people in senior positions are,

complicit in all this is a two parents who went to the prizegiving at their school to see their daughter receive a reading prize. and when the award was announced, it was given to a boy called tommy who came onto the stage dressed as a boy . but it came onto the stage dressed as a boy. but it was this couple's daughter and they had no idea that when she got to school, she changed her identity and she transgendered and the teachers knew that happened, but the parents didn't. and that's the sort of thing i think, that we've got to examine very carefully to see whether levels of responsibility in adults rests . rests. >> i agree with that. i totally agree with that. the fact is, i think that if a child wants to transition, it needs to be with the consent of parents. absolutely be with the doctor's consent. multiple doctors, perhaps . but consent. multiple doctors, perhaps. but the consent. multiple doctors, perhaps . but the fact is, you perhaps. but the fact is, you know, at the minute , the debate know, at the minute, the debate we're having dissuades that it dissuades anybody having a

reasonable conversation about what makes sense now , you say what makes sense now, you say 1213, you know , what is the age 1213, you know, what is the age when we accept that somebody knows their own gender? what is the age where we accept that somebody knows their own self? i mean , is it 18 the scientific mean, is it 18 the scientific evidence? >> 16 scientific evidence which came up last week is that the human brain isn't really properly developed until the early 20s, perhaps 22 or 23. >> maybe we should raise the drinking age, the driving age? no, i mean no, no. where do you stop? >> you're making a very you're making a very, very serious decision when you want to change the very gender which you wish to be recognised in, in life. and, you know, that's a huge decision and it should be thoroughly investigated and thoroughly investigated and thoroughly discussed before. kids are going to school changing gender. their parents don't even know about it. that's wrong . wrong. >> and unfortunately, gentlemen, we time on that we have run out of time on that debate as well. used to i'll just brilliant putting just so brilliant putting both

sides which is sides of the argument, which is what we should hear what can we say? we should hear both of the argument. one both sides of the argument. one should cancel out the other should not cancel out the other debate. hate, say, debate. not hate, as i say, right . i'm debate. not hate, as i say, right. i'm dawn debate. not hate, as i say, right . i'm dawn neesom on debate. not hate, as i say, right. i'm dawn neesom on dup, but not raising the but we're not raising the drinking . by the way, i'm drinking age. by the way, i'm dawn neesom sunday. dawn neesom gb news sunday. plenty coming up on today's plenty more coming up on today's show, but first, let's those show, but first, let's get those news francis . news headlines with sam francis. >> very good afternoon to you. it's just after half past one and leading the news this afternoon. rishi sunak has confirmed that raf planes did shoot down a number of iranian attack drones overnight, in what he described as a dangerous escalation against israel. more than 300 drones and missiles were launched during the strike, almost all of which were intercepted. however, israel says it's now poised and prepared for further aggression . prepared for further aggression. iran, meanwhile, says it will launch a much larger attack if israel retaliates. and here the prime minister is calling for calm ahead of talks later with other world leaders in the g7

about de—escalating the situation . shadow home secretary situation. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says that angela rayner has done the right thing by taking independent legal advice amid a row over her living arrangements. it's after her former chief adviser gave a statement to police contradicting the deputy labour leader's claims. police launched an investigation this week to determine if there were any breaches of electoral law. mrs. rayner says she'll step down if it's found that she did commit a crime, but insists she has followed the rules. the family of a man who killed six people in a stabbing spree in a shopping centre in sydney, has described his actions as truly horrific . police believe 40 year horrific. police believe 40 year old joel cauchi suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs including methamphetamine and psychedelics. his family have released a statement in support of the police officer who shot and killed him, saying she was only doing her job and the duke only doing herjob and the duke of kent is stepping down as

colonel of the scots guards. after 50 years, the duke arrived at the regiment's black sunday parade in westminster this morning. he's meeting members of the guards there, ending his time overseeing the prestigious regiment. the 88 year old says that holding position has that holding the position has been honour . that holding the position has been honour. that's that holding the position has been honour . that's the been a true honour. that's the latest from the newsroom. more at 2:00. until then, do sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code on your screen or go to our website, slash alerts i >> -- >> thank 5mm >> thank you very much, sam. and remember, let me know your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing today. anything you want to chat about, by the way, visiting gbnews.com forward, slash yourself and join the conversation. talk to me, talk to the panel, talk to everyone, message me on our socials is another alternative @gbnews. loads more coming up on the show though. angela rayner just talking is just been talking about her. is facing mounting pressure over her two homes row after a former

aide reportedly told police she hadnt aide reportedly told police she hadn't told the truth. all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and this is gb news, britain's news channel

0h! oh! this oh! this is going so well this afternoon , is going so well this afternoon, isn't it. welcome back. it's gb news sunday. i hope you're having a wonderful sunday afternoon over there. thank you for company. dawn for your company. i'm dawn neesom. telly online neesom. i'm on your telly online and radio, basically. and on digital radio, basically. no angela rayner is no escape, now, angela rayner is facing mounting pressure over her two homes row after a former aide reportedly told police she hadnt aide reportedly told police she hadn't told the truth about her real home. her former chief adviser has given a statement to adviser has given a statement to a greater manchester police, saying there's no doubt in his mind the deputy leader, labour deputy labour leaders actual home in 2014 was with her then husband . rayner has always

husband. rayner has always insisted she's done absolutely nothing wrong. when questions over her tax affairs were first raised, she said i've never been a landlady, owned a property portfolio or been a non—dom. as with the majority of ordinary people who sell their own homes, i was not liable for capital gains tax because it was my home and the only one i owned. after police announced they'd launched an investigation into whether she broke electoral law , rayner she broke electoral law, rayner then said if i committed a criminal offence, i would of course do the right thing and step down the british public deserves politicians who know the rules apply to them as well . the rules apply to them as well. ooh. okay, let's see what my panel make of this one, shall we? i'm going to come to you first on this one, kai, because you have very kindly we're also discussing angela's favourite cocktail. and kai has very kindly dressed as angela's kindly come dressed as angela's favourite cocktail, which is called a venom. the same colour. and it's exactly the same colour. it's. it's this colour .

colour. it's. it's this colour. angela makes it in a bucket of barbeque's tasting time, isn't it? okay, well, i don't know. now i'll start. look, i've it? okay, well, i don't know. now i'll start . look, i've got now i'll start. look, i've got mike parry on the panel as well. and you know, this is an alcoholic is alcoholic drink. and this is mike parry we're talking about. >> nice . >> anyway, it's really nice. >> anyway, it's really nice. >> is actually . >> it is actually. >> it is actually. >> it's interesting. >> it's interesting. >> one mouth, yeah. >> one mouth, yeah. >> if you want the recipe, it's southern comfort vodka, a blue wkd and topped up with orange juice. not that much orange juice. not that much orange juice by the taste of that. anyway. kai, we're talking about caruso , if you've got the caruso, if you've got the caruso. >> oh, no. but she doesn't do it that way. i couldn't get blue wkd. i in a very posh wkd. i was in a very posh supermarket. even supermarket. what was i even question? i'm asking angela raynen question? i'm asking angela rayner. mean , should she rayner. i mean, should she i mean, she's she's now being investigated by a greater manchester, former manchester, her former assistant, who was assistant, who said she was telling porkies should she now just put this come out just put this to bed, come out and say, okay, i may have made a mistake. i'm not sure i'm going to make a payment and then it'll all go away . all go away. >> that's exactly the point, isn't it? the fact is, who hasn't made a mistake on their

tax returns or their self—assessment? i mean, i certainly is it something you want to tell your auntie? >> i mean, i'm not going to say it on on live tv, but but the fact is, we've all made mistakes. >> but the issue here is that this story has been going on for weeks and weeks and weeks, and now it's come out into the open. it's come into the mainstream. and angela rayner insists that she won't release her tax returns. she won't, show her legal advice that she keeps talking about. so the fact is, there's an easy solution to this , but she's not taking that path. and so the story keeps on going. >> and this go on. >> and this go on. >> well , the problem >> well, the problem additionally to that is that angela rayner has many times called for conservative politicians to resign over much fewer issues. now, i don't think this is a big deal, but she's made it into a big deal. by her

silence, i mean, and the fact is now the public are wondering what's going on. >> i think the two issues here, isn't it? i mean, keir starmer has backed her without seeing any evidence. says, you know, any evidence. he says, you know, the behind him have seen the people behind him have seen the people behind him have seen the evidence. he's backing her 100. >> and this is the former director public prosecutions. >> and this is the former diresaid public prosecutions. >> and this is the former diresaid fi|blic prosecutions. >> and this is the former diresaid fididn't'osecutions. >> and this is the former diresaid fl didn't need tions. >> and this is the former diresaid fl didn't need tio see he said no, i didn't need to see it. you know, only only the country's most senior, legal prosecutor didn't need to see the she's far the evidence. she's gone too far now in my view, and painted herself into a corner to be able to do what you've just, discussed to kai come out now and say, oh, i'm terribly sorry i made a mistake because she's been saying consistently. no, i had advised didn't. if she had advised i didn't. if she comes out now and reveals the full facts, the danger is that she may have misled us either deliberately, allegedly or not deliberately, allegedly or not deliberately, but she may have misled the people asking about what she did. i can't get terribly excited about it. on the actual issue. i own two homes, and i've bought and sold

over 20 properties during my lifetime. i know all the ins and outs and how you can go wrong on on on capital gains tax and all that kind of stuff. but everybody said this a million times if she'd killed it at birth in the first few days of this story emerging, there wouldn't have been this problem. but keir starmer but it gives keir starmer a terrible problem because it's all now about honesty and integrity. something that he has consistently said will be the hallmark of my labour government if i become minister. if i become prime minister. >> mean , she is being >> i mean, she is being investigated. any investigated. she denied any wrongdoing . let's be wrongdoing whatsoever. let's be 100% clear about that. she is being investigated by a manchester police, sir, but, you know, least at the know, is she at least at the very of hypocrisy? very least guilty of hypocrisy? because when boris johnson was just investigated , stayed just being investigated, stayed over the whole partygate and a birthday cake or whatever, she called for him to go then , so called for him to go then, so she. i mean, she's hoisted by her own petard here, isn't she ? her own petard here, isn't she? >> she has painted herself into a corner, mike says. yeah, a corner, as mike says. yeah, she she and the labour party have made themselves whiter than

white. yeah. and painted themselves as the party of virtue, when in fact, of course, there are going to be issues. yeah, there are going to be mistakes . there are yeah, there are going to be mistakes. there are going to be, you know, errors of judgement and the fact that they are not going to accept that at this stage, i think bodes badly for the future government, because the future government, because the fact is, indeed they will they will be mistakes. there will be ministers who it's also it's also now becoming a wider problem for keir starmer because if at some stage, if he says , if at some stage, if he says, look, there's only one way to do this, we'll have to get angela to stand down while the investigation takes place. >> will then be a huge >> there will then be a huge battle labour party >> there will then be a huge ba replace labour party >> there will then be a huge ba replace her labour party >> there will then be a huge ba replace her andabour party >> there will then be a huge ba replace her and her|r party to replace her and her replacement. and she's fairly left wing, you know , she's left wing, you know, she's fairly up there with the left wingers. there could be even worse news for keir starmer than having angela rayner his deputy. i having angela rayner his deputy. | , having angela rayner his deputy. i , she's seen somebody i mean, she's seen as somebody who party, somebody who balances the party, somebody who balances the party, somebody who take her who might take over from her might extreme. yes

might be more extreme. yes >> yeah. >> yeah. >> the thing is with angela and i think why a lot of people like her is because she's genuinely the, know , the working class the, you know, the working class base of labour, the gobby northern bird single mum. you know, i mean, sort of like, you know, i mean, sort of like, you know, sort of like you know, 16 at work, etc, etc. yeah. you know, was she was working as know, she was she was working as a so if she'd a carer. so if she'd have included when included that when she originally came out and said, well, know, law is well, you know, the tax law is very complicated, couldn't very complicated, i couldn't afford an expensive i afford an expensive lawyer. i was carer at was just working as a carer at the everyone had gone. the time. everyone had gone. yeah, point actually. yeah, a fair point actually. >> made. >> well made. >> well made. >> have, she could >> well made. >> killed have, she could >> well made. >> killed historyhe could have killed this story immediately the is immediately because the fact is angela is one of the most angela rayner is one of the most popular politicians that the labour you look labour party has. yes. you look at other candidates. i mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner ndidates. i mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner was ates. i mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner was 3es. i mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner was 3 to i mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner was 3 to 1 mean, labour party has. yes. you look at (rayner was 3 to 1 in ean, angela rayner was 3 to 1 in terms of odds. to be the next labour leader. now she's about 42 to 1 right on the fair exchange. yeah. i mean i mean she was one of the most popular politician in the party. now she's behind about 7 or 8 of her

cabinet colleagues. now, the fact is that leaves the labour party with an issue because who do they have as an attack dog? who do they have as the charismatic leader who can go instead of keir starmer? because keir starmer is, you know, the technocrat . yeah. but who can go technocrat. yeah. but who can go instead of keir starmer on the morning shows and attack the tories? nobody >> this latest development in the story this morning the guy who's now sort of saying oh no i'm very sure she lived in the other house, sounds like a bit of a disaffected former employee, you know what i mean? you know, i mean , i'm not you know, i mean, i'm not suggesting it is. i'm not liable in the guy, but he sounds like he's, know, got opinion he's, you know, got an opinion on rayner and then the on angela rayner and then the labour party's response to that was what they should have said ages ago. they said she moved between the two homes. well, excuse me, because you do. when you've got two homes, you can move between the two homes instead of steadfastly saying no. the first home.

no. she lived in the first home. they should have just said she'd moved between the two people. >> do we have move on now? as >> do we have to move on now? as well? any angela, well? yeah. in any case, angela, whatever quite whatever else, i'm not quite sure about this. love, to be honest you. go on. it's honest with you. go on. it's great, well you would. great, yeah. well you would. there's a surprise. i'm dawn neesom. gb news sunday, neesom. this is gb news sunday, and there's lots more up and there's lots more coming up on gordon ramsay. on today's show, gordon ramsay. indeed. squatters london have indeed. squatters in london have taken a pub which is leased taken over a pub which is leased by gordon. what's the best way for him to get out of this kitchen nightmare, though. see what we did. all of that and more

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gbnews.com/yoursay . gbnews.com/yoursay. >> welcome back! it's gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on your telly, online and on digital radio. now. squatters in london have taken over a pub which is leased by gordon ramsay no less. the pub is currently up for sale with a guide price of £30 million. it is understood that kitchen nightmares host ramsay called the police on wednesday, but was unable to have the squatters removed, the metropolitan police said in a statement they were made aware of squatters a disused of squatters at a disused property, this is property, but added this is a civil matter and so police did not attend the property, okay, let's see what my panel make of this. we haven't got much time on this one, unfortunately, but, you know, you can talk very fast because they've drunk half of their angela rayner cocktail, kai gordon , why can't we just kai gordon, why can't we just boot squatters out if we own a property or lease property, why don't we just boot them out?

>> i know that's tempting, but the empty the fact is, long term empty properties have increased by 24% in the last six years. there's 1.2 million people on the social housing lists. people don't have a place to live. and so these empty properties, these empty restaurants, empty, posh flats in london. i can't get that exercised about that, to be honest. >> i mean , it's not a domestic dwelling. >> it's not a hotel . well, it's >> it's not a hotel. well, it's a restaurant and bar, so , you a restaurant and bar, so, you know, it's not even suitable for habitation by people who say they want to live there. it hasn't got the facilities of social habitation like bathrooms and so and that kind of stuff. so they're just trying to make a protest. but what it does highlight is the enormous, disparity in fairness in property laws in this country. a mate of mine had a house in cambridge, you know, which he just rented out. and in between two rentals, once he suddenly got a call to say the house had been taken over by squatters.

they've changed the locks. they just moved in. it took him nine months them out, it months to get them out, and it was an extremely expensive business. just not business. and that's just not fair. it'sjust business. and that's just not fair. it's just not fair that if you've worked all your life and invested some money in property because, interest because, you know, interest rates at zero and there's nowhere invest your nowhere else to invest your money, and then suddenly somebody who's got no claim to that doesn't seem that property and doesn't seem to have earned very much in life, your property. life, takes over your property. it's an outrage. and we've got to change and allow to change the laws and allow people go in there. and there people to go in there. and there are specialist companies who will squatters from your will evict squatters from your home all the legal process home when all the legal process processing been done. but processing has been done. but that could take weeks, if not months. >> expensive. yeah >> and it's expensive. yeah >> and it's expensive. yeah >> of course. look, i was being devil's of course i devil's advocate of course i know you were. people shouldn't be squatting in people's other people's homes or commercial properties, the fact is, properties, but the fact is, until we sort the housing problem in this country, none of this is going to go away. this is going to increase and increase until it i mean, honestly, the fact is, people my

age , yeah, won't be able to buy age, yeah, won't be able to buy age, yeah, won't be able to buy a home unless they've got a from their parents. >> yeah, but what's the practicality of this demonstration? >> it's not a demonstration. >> it's not a demonstration. >> it's not going to free up more housing for people who are. no, not. no, of course not. >> people looking to find >> it's people looking to find a place live. think place to live. i don't think it's demonstration at all. it's a demonstration at all. >> it's an anti wealth anti property demonstration property owning demonstration done by people who've got nothing better to do in life than break into other people's property. >> unfortunately, i've got something to do in life. something better to do in life. i've got to find out what's happening with the weather, with ellie, it's getting hot in here. happening with the weather, with elli(is t's getting hot in here. happening with the weather, with elli(is t'shottting hot in here. happening with the weather, with elli(is t'shotttingthere? here. happening with the weather, with elli(is t'shotttingthere? let's. but is it hot out there? let's find shall we? find out, shall we? >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , the sponsors of weather solar, the sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so higher pressure out towards the south does bring us some more settled conditions for a time this afternoon. low pressure

afternoon. but low pressure situated towards the north situated out towards the north of slowly moves its way of the uk slowly moves its way towards the rest of towards us through the rest of the weekend and into the start of week in the south, of the new week in the south, though we will be holding to though we will be holding on to those for time those dry conditions for a time this of this afternoon. perhaps a bit of late around, but late hazy sunshine around, but it's northwest that we it's in the northwest that we see those strongest winds and some showers pushing some blustery showers pushing their way south and eastwards through of through the early hours of monday . the showers monday morning. the showers always heaviest across northern and could and western parts, and we could even see some snow across the hills. and that lead to hills. and that will lead to quite night with quite a chilly night with temperatures the single temperatures in the low single figures further figures here and even further south much above south not reaching much above 7 or so a chilly or 8 degrees. so a chilly but blustery start to the day on monday. the heaviest bands of showers clear way south showers clear their way south and monday and eastwards through monday morning, leaving some sunny spells as we head into the afternoon. there will still be plenty of showers around though, and again these turn to and again these could turn to snow pennines. snow across the pennines. late district across high district and across the high ground scotland, with ground of scotland, and with a brisk northwesterly breeze it will be feeling very chilly. highs south not reaching highs in the south not reaching much 13 degrees. much above 12 or 13 degrees. tuesday does start a little bit

dner tuesday does start a little bit drier for most of us. there will still be a few showers around across northern wales across northern ireland, wales and scotland, and northern parts of scotland, but the best of the sunshine across central northern parts of england of mainland england and much of mainland scotland showers scotland as well. a few showers around wednesday , but around still on wednesday, but there are hints of higher pressure in the pressure returning later in the week a little bit week and something a little bit milder way . milder on the way. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> thank you very much, ellie. and there's lots more coming up on today's show. well, i say there is hopefully there is because these two are drinking. angela reynolds venom cocktails very fast. but, israel says its allies have intercepted the vast majority of more than 300 drones and missiles launched by iran. sunak has condemned the attack and confirmed uk jets shot down and confirmed uk jets shot down a number of iranian attack grounds. all of that and much more to come, including possibly more to come, including possibly more cocktails because i am dawn neesom , it's what i do on neesom, it's what i do on a sunday. this is gb news,

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away - - away . hello and welcome back to away. hello and welcome back to gb news sunday, i hope you're having a wonderful sunday lunchtime out there . thank you lunchtime out there. thank you for joining us. i'm dawn neesom, forjoining us. i'm dawn neesom, and for next i'll be and for the next hour, i'll be keeping you on telly, keeping you company on telly, onune keeping you company on telly, online digital radio. no online and digital radio. no escape. coming up this escape. basically coming up this houn escape. basically coming up this hour, prime minister has hour, the prime minister has confirmed raf jets were used to intercept iranian drones and missiles fired at israel as tensions flare in the middle east. then sunak is on the warpath against the echr yet again. he's hit out at ruling by the court that imposes a duty on governments to achieve net zero should he pledge in the tory manifesto to pull out of the echr. though interesting one and a public row has erupted between wes streeting and ex—labour mp

diane abbott over the use of the private sector. join us later to find out why these labour heavyweights are at each other's throats . but this show isn't throats. but this show isn't about what i think. it's not about what i think. it's not about what i think. it's not about what the panel think. it's about what the panel think. it's about you. so let me know what you're talking about this afternoon, what your views are on all the subjects we're talking about anything else talking about or anything else you a chat about. you want to have a chat about. to honest just to be honest with you, just visit gbnews.com/yoursay and joining our conversation or message me on our socials . we're message me on our socials. we're @gbnews. but first, here's the news headlines with sam francis . news headlines with sam francis. >> dawn, thank you very much. and good afternoon to you from the newsroom. just coming up to 2:02. and as we just heard there, rishi sunak has confirmed that raf planes did shoot down a number of iranian attack drones overnight in what he's described

as a dangerous escalation against israel. more than 300 drones and missiles were launched during that strike, almost all of which were intercepted . and however, israel intercepted. and however, israel says it's now poised and for prepared further aggression. iran, meanwhile, says it will launch a much larger attack if israel retaliates. here the prime minister is calling for calm ahead of talks later with other world leaders about de—escalating the situation . de—escalating the situation. >> this was a dangerous and unnecessary escalation, which i've condemned in the strongest terms thanks to an international coordinated effort which the united kingdom participated in. almost all of these missiles were intercepted , saving lives were intercepted, saving lives not just in israel but in neighbouring countries like jordan as well. the raf sent additional planes to the region as part of our existing operation to counter daesh in iraq and syria. i can confirm that our planes did shoot down a number of iranian attack drones. i don't want to pay tribute to

the bravery and professionalism of our pilots flying into the face danger . face of danger. >> in other news, labour says it will impose strict 24 hour time limits on police when they deal with serious domestic abuse cases. the initiative has been dubbed raneem's law after 22 year old raneem oudeh was killed by her former partner just 11 days after obtaining an order against him. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says she's sick and tired of the government treating violence against women and girls as inevitable. instead of an emergency. but the government says labour is soft on crime and that they don't have a plan to tackle it . shadow home secretary tackle it. shadow home secretary yvette cooper has also said that angela rayner has done the right thing by taking independent legal advice, amid an ongoing row over her living arrangements. it's after her former chief adviser gave a statement to police contradicting the deputy labour leader's claims. police this week launched an investigation to determine if there were any breaches of electoral law. miss

rayner , though, says she will rayner, though, says she will step down if it's found that she has committed a crime but insists she has followed the rules to sydney now, where the family of a man who killed six people in a stabbing spree at a shopping centre there has described his actions as truly horrific . police believe 40 year horrific. police believe 40 year old joel cauchi suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs, including methamphetamine and psychedelics. his family have released a statement in support of the police officer who shot and killed him, saying she was only doing her job. the premier only doing herjob. the premier of the state of new south wales, chris minns, has paid tribute to emergency crews and members of the public. >> many people would be showing real anger at so many people having been killed and real loss of life, and the individual stories of those that have been killed that have been reported in the media are heartbreaking, i kind of want to search for a silver lining, it been silver lining, but it has been incredible to complete incredible to see complete strangers in, run towards strangers jump in, run towards the danger, put their own lives ,

the danger, put their own lives, in harm's way to save someone that they've never met before . that they've never met before. and look, there's not too many positives to take out of a horrifying event, but we've got some wonderful people in our city. >> turkish officials have launched an investigation and detained 13 people after a deadly cable car collision. if you're watching on television, you're watching on television, you can see here the moment that a helicopter rescued one of the last remaining passengers stranded during that stranded mid—air during that incident, one person was killed and ten others injured when the cable car collided with a broken pole, ripping the pod open and sending some people inside plummeting to the rocks below. good news though in total, 174 passengers were rescued during a massive 23 hour long operation . massive 23 hour long operation. and finally, before we head back to dawn , the duke of kent is to dawn, the duke of kent is stepping down as colonel of the scots guards . after 50 years, scots guards. after 50 years, the duke arrived at the regiment's black sunday parade in westminster this morning. he was there meeting members of the

guards, ending his time overseeing the prestigious regiment in the 88 year old has said holding that position said that holding that position has a honour . said that holding that position has a honour. that's has been a true honour. that's the latest from the newsroom. more at 2:30. until then, do sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the code there on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thank you very much, sam. let's get straight into today's story, shall we? now, the prime minister has condemned iran's attack on israel and confirmed uk jets intercepted a number of iranian drones. >> as i said, the raf moved additional planes into the region as part of our existing operations to counter daesh in iraq and syria. and i can confirm that a number of iranian attack drones were shot down and we pay tribute to the bravery and the professionalism of our pilots flying into the face of danger to protect civilians . i danger to protect civilians. i chaired a cobra meeting on

friday to agree a plan of action. >> israeli defence officials said more than 300 drones and missiles were launched by iran in an unprecedented attack. it's the first time iran has targeted israel directly from its own soil. joining me now is defence editor of the evening standard, robert fox. robert, thank you very much for joining robert fox. robert, thank you very much forjoining me robert fox. robert, thank you very much for joining me this afternoon. now, this is i'm going to be completely honest here. frankly, a very scary story to wake up to this morning. should i be frightened . morning. should i be frightened. >> and i think so because it's got a long way to run. people are on all sides, are assessing what actually was done overnight. it was a big display. it was unprecedented. as you said, it's the first time there has been an all out attack from iranian soil to israeli soil. what does it really mean? because they fired 330 drones, but only about nine maximum. a

dozen got through, according to the israelis, and the causing a serious injury to a ten year old bedouin girl and marginal damage to one airbase, the iranians are not going to leave it there. the israelis are not going to leave it there. but and it's where it goes there. and there'll be goes from there. and there'll be meetings throughout the day. the g7 and the un security council has been called for by all sides, but i think there will be a lot of taking stock. but you're quite right, dawn. it goes into another spiral and the risk is still there that this could spread. >> how much robert is a threat. is iran a threat to us all? i mean, it obviously we know it's been behind hezbollah and hamas and the houthis in the red sea area, but how much of a threat actually are they? >> well, iran currently is engaged on five, possibly six

fronts. if you include the spat that it's having with its fellow islamic power, pakistan . dawn, islamic power, pakistan. dawn, the problem is that it's got a pretty flaky regime at home, ageing the economy is awful. and when you are in such a bad state domestically and you're very aggressive and very militaristic, you go for adventures . and this is what adventures. and this is what worries i think the world in general , and worries i think the world in general, and even worries i think the world in general , and even some, general, and even some, particularly the arab world, remember , iran is persian remember, iran is persian largely within its area of population as well, but it is not arab. and the arab world is very worried by this maverick, unpredictable behaviour. and i think that that is the main mission of this afternoon is are you going to talk sensibly? tehran because the americans have been talking a lot and tried very hard to lay out the terms and thought they had an understanding for restraint and operations in retaliation for

the attack on the embassy in damascus, which killed two of the senior generals, they americans knew something was coming, but they gave very, very firm warnings. but it is much bigger. this attack in its range than was expected. now, are you going to behave? are you going to play to the rules, or are you going to go saying one thing, misbehave and be very unpredictable? and that is the agenda item now, and that's why we're hearing from rishi sunak that we're putting , we're hearing from rishi sunak that we're putting, more we're hearing from rishi sunak that we're putting , more raf that we're putting, more raf planes into cyprus, which is an extremely valuable base in all this. and we're looking at our dufies this. and we're looking at our duties because we're obligated to work in syria and iran to suppress the extremist terrorist movement there, and we're obligated to keep the seas open around the red sea and the gulf. >> robert, i guess the best case scenario is that all sides calm them down and try and work this out with with diplomas , see if

out with with diplomas, see if you can have diplomacy with countries like iran. but what's the worst case scenario? >> the worst case scenario i think i fear, is that iran will just have another go. well, just go on doing this. and their newfound allies, whom we haven't talked about over much and we should be thinking about now, principally russia and china, i think that they would be pretty embarrassed by that. russia needs iran because it needs iran's kit for these drones, quite cheap, quite basic drones, which they're using a lot of in ukraine as we have seen, china needs to get all that oil and gas out of the gulf. and just before these attacks, a few a matter of hours before the, iranian commandos boarded . and iranian commandos boarded. and grabbed a portuguese flagged ship around the straits of hormuz that's at the neck the hormuz that's at the neck of the

of the persian gulf and said, you know, it's under we're taking them hostage because it's under israeli ownership remotely. it is just to point out in that particular neck of the waters, we know how valuable the waters, we know how valuable the red sea is. the gulf is infinitely more valuable. roughly up to 40% of oil and gas. that's fossil fuels that are exported by sea come from that particular area . and china that particular area. and china will be very, very worried about that. indeed because it depends on it. >> who that. robert, thank you very much for joining >> who that. robert, thank you very much forjoining us and haven't really cheered me up that much. it has to be said. that's robert fox, defence editor of the evening standard there. okay. let's see what my panel make of this, somehow i'm still joined by mike parry and carl wiltshire, who haven't fallen off their seats after drinking all all of the angela rayner special cocktail. we made them , i'm going to come to you them, i'm going to come to you first this one, mike, it is first on this one, mike, it is worrying. i mean, i don't want

to be a scaremongering. all my years in journalism have taught me to not do that, but i think most of us learning about the events overnight can't help to feel little twinge inside feel that little twinge inside that. where is this going? >> well, known robert for >> well, i've known robert for a number you know, number of years. you know, from my street days his my fleet street days and his brilliant analysis of what's going on. a slightly depressed me because i thought earlier that the iranians had not put their full heart and soul into their full heart and soul into the attack on israel so that they could say to those allies that robert mansion, we hit back against israel, but they didn't actually do anything because it was designed for the drones to be shot down, that kind of stuff. but robert's analysis is that they're so unstable that might just been an might have just been an introductory response to israel , introductory response to israel, and there could be another one to come, which could a be more serious . and b of course, i did serious. and b of course, i did hear some other defence expert this morning saying, are they trying to wear out the iron helmet defence machine so that when moment comes that

when the moment comes that israel have got to restock, they they hit again? so i feel a bit more pessimistic now having listened robert . but one listened to robert. but one hopes that the might and the power of the west led by the united states, will finally get through to the, you know, the fanatics in iran, to convince them that we very, very serious consequences . consequences. >> guy, don't you think the problem we've got here is we're deaung problem we've got here is we're dealing obviously, with a very unstable it's long dealing obviously, with a very unstfrom it's long dealing obviously, with a very unstfrom a it's long dealing obviously, with a very unstfrom a democracy long dealing obviously, with a very unstfrom a democracy ..ong dealing obviously, with a very unstfrom a democracy . the people way from a democracy. the people in iran aren't that happy with their leaders at moment. their leaders at the moment. similarly the people israel similarly the people in israel aren't that with their aren't that happy with their leader so i mean, you leader either. so i mean, you know, leaders have know, the leaders in iran have are they're walking a tightrope themselves. they have to prove that they're strong to the people. but on the other hand , people. but on the other hand, they could lose a lot of faith here. and that is like a cornered rat. when the most dangerous. >> absolutely. dangerous. >> i absolutely. dangerous. >> i awe lutely. dangerous. >> i awe have '. dangerous. >> i awe have three parties >> i think we have three parties here that we need to think about. we've got iran and its government. you've got israel and its government and you've got hamas, the terrorist organisation. now you talked

about diplomacy earlier, diplomacy has been seen not to work at all in recent weeks and months during this conflict in a way that previously diplomacy vie, you know, got us, inched us towards a resolution. the fact is, benjamin netanyahu's government that is trying to, prolong this war, i think, so that they can prolong the time until an election because they'd lose, because they are unpopular, as you say, iran's government, as you rightly say, have been facing protests for over a year now. yeah. and then you've got hamas, of course, who are facing this. you know, tightrope of, you know, how do we, remain acceptable to some of the arab world, at while also applying pressure to israel? so

you've got all these massive pressures? i don't think they're going away. i think over the next few weeks and months, what you're going to see is a continued escalation, because nobody's willing to back down. well, i agree, because they have so much skin in the game. >> they at this point, the problem with iran is it is such a basket case. and what i mean by that is that there are competing elements top of competing elements at the top of iran. when i say iran. i mean, when i say a basket case, did you that basket case, did you read that this week? date was a show this week? blind date was a show in iran which has now been taken off the air. how did a program like blind date ever get onto television in iran? do you see the dysfunctional society they live in? it was because of the pressure from young people demanding better tv. but then when the mullahs saw it, they said, well, i think that disgraceful program, so that our massive internal problems in iran, young people more iran, young people want more freedom. the poor woman. was it last year who wasn't covering enough of her hair, was arrested and subsequent she died? i mean,

it's a country you simply cannot predict what's going to happen next. and i think that's a problem . and when you say about problem. and when you say about the people at top of the the people at the top of the israeli who want to israeli cabinet who want to prolong think they prolong the war, i think they want war by smashing want to end the war by smashing hamas can, hamas as fast as they can, because, , decisions in because, remember, decisions in israel are made by war cabinet, not just by netanyahu , who and not just by netanyahu, who and the philosophy is we've got to get rid of hamas. >> so, kai, do you think if israel i know you don't agree with what's going i mean, who does agree with the slaughter of thousands of people? nobody does. but do you think if israel sorted situation, sorted out the hamas situation, then would step back? or do then iran would step back? or do you think this is the genie's out of the bottle now? well how can you sort out exactly situation. >> i mean, the problem, the problem is we're talking about apples and oranges, right? problem is we're talking about appwe'reld oranges, right? problem is we're talking about appwe're talking es, right? problem is we're talking about appwe're talking about ht? problem is we're talking about appwe're talking about sovereign >> we're talking about sovereign states, iran and states, israel, iran and terrorist organisations who are nimble , who can act faster. and nimble, who can act faster. and the fact is, you're never going to outrun them. now, the

question is, how do you try to neutralise the threat from those terrorist organisations while maintaining your , you know, your maintaining your, you know, your rights as a sovereign state and the way that you act now? i think israel is stepping beyond those boundaries at the minute. but the fact is iran has been doing that for many years. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> the thing is, hamas is not even the most dangerous terrorist threat to israel. it's hezbollah in lebanon on their northern border. so can you imagine living in a country like israel, where every morning you wake up and want to know wake up and you want to know who's been attacking you last night because those rockets come in north south in from north and south and you've alert 24 you've got to be on alert 24 hours a day. >> and that's why it's such an emotive issue, because the fact is, israel is surrounded by enemies and completely surrounded its allies . surrounded its allies. >> and we should only democracy in the middle east, surrounded by enemies. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> to. i'm surrounded by >> we have to. i'm surrounded by friends they're not friends here. they're not enemies, by way, now we have

friends here. they're not en move, by way, now we have friends here. they're not en move on. way, now we have friends here. they're not en move on. unfortunately, we have friends here. they're not en move on. unfortunately, we1ave to move on. unfortunately, we have of but you have run out of time. but if you want about this want to know more about this story and continue the debate, please our website please go to our website gbnews.com, i'm dawn neesom and this is cube news sunday and there's lots more coming up on today's show . rishi sunak there's lots more coming up on today's show. rishi sunak is on the warpath against the echr again. he's hit out at a ruling by the court that imposes a duty on governments to achieve net zero, should he include a pledge in the tory manifesto to pull us out of the echr, though, what do you reckon? all of that, and much more to come. this is gb news, britain's news channel

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does. not much of a fan of angela now are you? meanwhile, patricia says everyone makes mistakes, but come on, i don't care about her private living arrangements , but just don't lie arrangements, but just don't lie about it. and i think that's what getting people here, isn't it? it's the potential lies and, you know, the misleading maybe. >> well, i think the thing is, she thought it was so insignificant and it is insignificant, really. she just decided to brush it aside and thought it wouldn't come back. but politicians should be aware . but politicians should be aware. it always comes back, shouldn't they? >> yeah, especially in an election year. the >> yeah, especially in an election year . the power >> yeah, especially in an election year. the power is still here. you might have spotted that one i will spotted that one and i will share well. but let me share it as well. but let me think. you know your thoughts and all the stories we're discussing today by visiting gbnews.com. your gbnews.com. forward slash your say or say and join the conversation or message me on our socials. really @gbnews. now okay, really easy @gbnews. now okay, let's move on to a rishi sunak and that echr shall we, is having another go , isn't he? the having another go, isn't he? the prime minister has hit out at the complete overreach of a ruling by the court that imposes

a duty on governments , all a duty on governments, all governments, to achieve net zero. sunak latest rage at the court has fuelled speculation that he's considering including a pledge in the tory manifesto , a pledge in the tory manifesto, pesto, to pull out of the echr let's see what my panel make of this now, kai, we set up the echr, didn't we? i mean, so we helped we were there. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> this decision relates to the group of swedish, swiss, swiss women, wasn't it? yeah. who who went to. they took the government to court saying you're not clamping down on climate change fast enough. you are putting our health at risk. and the court has ruled on this. and the court has ruled on this. and rishi sunak is saying it's out of their jurisdiction . but out of their jurisdiction. but that ruling affects all of us. yeah. so basically it's saying you have to get to net zero or you're legally in trouble. what do make of this ? do you make of this? >> i mean, look, i think the headune >> i mean, look, i think the headline screams right, this looks ridiculous . but the fact looks ridiculous. but the fact is the echr is the bedrock of so

much of the legal foundation of what we have in this country. now, the uk drafted and the legislation that instituted the echr. it's one of the uk and europe's greatest post—war world war ii achievements. now you know this idea by rishi sunak that he can pull out of the echr as a bit of a gambit that i think is for the birds. it shows his terrible political judgement yet again. i think he keeps trying to find these ideas that will save him from electoral annihilation. the budget, stop the boats and now pulling out of the boats and now pulling out of the echr now , i think the the echr now, i think the political question is why is he trying to grasp at straws that keep not working? and the legal question is , you know, you can question is, you know, you can

pull out of the echr. i don't think that's going to change a damn thing, frankly. >> is it a vote winner , mike? >> is it a vote winner, mike? >> is it a vote winner, mike? >> well, look, the echr was set up originally to protect people from totalitarian regimes, i.e. we cannot let the world develop a new holocaust, and we must protect people in russia from the communism and the atrocities that that brought. that's what it was set up for. it's completely not fit for purpose these days. i mean, did you know that this this judgement by the so—called judges panel , the echr so—called judges panel, the echr was in association with friends of the earth, aided by friends of the earth, aided by friends of the earth, some 2000 older women claimed that the swiss state was exposing them to an increased risk of death from extreme heat. what a ridiculous and ludicrous proposition to put before a bunch of judges. the other thing is, i will tell you which i'm sure you probably know. european of know. the european court of human does not even human rights does not even consist legally qualified

consist of legally qualified judges. they are people appointed to it by the apparatchiks in the european union. it's in the same building as that court of the european union. and if you're a mate of somebody who's higher up in the european you can get european union, you can get on to the echr it's completely dysfunctional. it's load dysfunctional. it's a load of rubbish. rishi sunak rubbish. i hope rishi sunak carries to say if carries out his threat to say if you keep stopping our boats, our planes taking off with people to rwanda, we will pull out of the echr because we are no longer fit for purpose. >> i think that answers my question about whether it be your vote. >> i mean, obviously the rwanda bill again this week, bill is back again this week, isn't it, before commons isn't it, before the commons again? ping pong going on between the commons the between the commons and the lords, that's why we're lords, so that's why we're talking about this issue again . talking about this issue again. but i mean, would it win votes? i mean, do people care about that or are we more concerned about the nhs or the cost of living crisis? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i think people when you knock on doors, people are not concerned about the ins and outs of legislation in parliament. they're concerned about what's

happening in their local area. they're concerned about what's happening on this street, potholes, that kind of stuff. i mean, really, the echr is not the reason why rwanda is failing. well, anybody else who tells you otherwise is lying. >> well hang on, we try to export people to rwanda and go to go further. >> yeah. the fact is only 1.45% of all the violations of the echr have been committed by the uk. that's that's all that we've been accused of now out of 22,000 plus, violations , that's 22,000 plus, violations, that's really not very many. we're talking about such a tiny issue here. and the fact is the rwanda bill has been scuppered for many other reasons than the echr and we should come to terms with that. >> yeah, i agree, including internal opposition in this country . but we've now got an country. but we've now got an opportunity. you may well as

know as i do, that the bill is coming back before parliament this week and i'm reading. i'm not a political expert that the house lords have dropped house of lords have now dropped their so their opposition to it. so there's a good chance now it might move to the next stage. and the last thing we is an and the last thing we want is an anonymous in europe. anonymous judge in europe. remember, one was remember, the last one was anonymous an order anonymous signing off an order in the middle of the night that that plane can't take off from england. outrageous england. it's outrageous that they us. they have that control over us. >> party do >> and the conservative party do seem the issue themselves. >> why yeah there are >> why yeah they do. there are some that are saying, yes, it would a good thing. would be a good thing. >> are saying, yeah, >> others are saying, yeah, a bit you know, actually bit like, you know, it actually wouldn't that much wouldn't make that much difference. so i mean, is this really something that we should put to one side? >> but then you give up dawn, then you give up on a policy which has been his flagship policy. i i, i accept a lot of what people say. it's turned into a gimmick because it's never going to get off the ground. but if it does off ground. but if it does get off the then justified ground. but if it does get off th

the original thought was to say a aeroplanes at stansted a load of aeroplanes at stansted airport. one after the other, taking rwanda. taking off and going to rwanda. but it has been so fiercely opposed internally. and you're right , a lot opposed internally. and you're right, a lot of opposed internally. and you're right , a lot of people opposed internally. and you're right, a lot of people on opposed internally. and you're right , a lot of people on the right, a lot of people on the backbenches, on the tory side in the house of commons don't want to same way that they to in the same way that they oppose because actually to in the same way that they opptory because actually to in the same way that they opptory party because actually to in the same way that they opptory party isacause actually to in the same way that they opptory party is not se actually to in the same way that they opptory party is not any ctually to in the same way that they opptory party is not any morey the tory party is not any more made people who follow made up of people who follow true blue tory policies. >> we know that even rishi sunak himself, when was chancellor, himself, when he was chancellor, didn't the rwanda didn't agree with the rwanda thing. was a bit, thing. he thought it was a bit, well, never going work. well, it's never going to work. >> inherited this >> yeah, he inherited this policy that he policy and he's felt that he needs it through. well needs to follow it through. well for now it's political credibility. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> yes. it really ? i mean, >> yes. isn't it really? i mean, the fact that he thinks that he needs to send these over needs to send these planes over to wants to rwanda and what he wants is that , as you say, dawn, of that image, as you say, dawn, of these planes flying off to rwanda before the election. it's a gimmick . and we should see it a gimmick. and we should see it as the united nations. give it any more thought or airtime. >> i think the united nations send to from libya send people to rwanda from libya . refugees from end up in . refugees from libya end up in rwanda. other countries in europe , holland and,

europe, holland and, switzerland, funnily enough, are investigate ing going to rwanda. it is a policy that is viable. you've just got to make it work. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> unfortunately, what other countries do, we're not allowed to do because we're probably racist for some reason. any racist for some reason. in any case, neesom this is gb case, i'm dawn neesom this is gb news sunday. plenty more coming up today's show. first, up on today's show. but first, here's with sam . here's the news with sam. >> dawn, thank you very much. and good afternoon to you. 232 and the latest on the incident in the middle east. the israeli war cabinet says it will exact a price from iran for its overnight assault warning . overnight assault warning. tehran will face painful sanctions, including, they say , sanctions, including, they say, in the form of missiles. iran, meanwhile, says it will launch a much larger attack if israel retaliates . it comes as rishi retaliates. it comes as rishi sunak has confirmed that raf planes did shoot down a number of the iranian drones and missiles launched overnight . it, missiles launched overnight. it, in what he described as a dangerous escalation in tensions with israel. the prime minister

is now calling calm ahead of is now calling for calm ahead of a meeting with g7 world leaders to discuss the middle east crisis . the knife attacker, who crisis. the knife attacker, who killed six people at a shopping centre in sydney, advertised himself online as a male escort and tried to join groups of gun owners. joel cauchi had been known to police, particularly over the last five years, but hadnt over the last five years, but hadn't been arrested or charged before he committed the attack yesterday. police believe the 40 year old had suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs, including methamphetamine and psychedelics . his family have psychedelics. his family have now released a statement in support of the police officer who shot and killed him, saying she only doing her job. she was only doing her job. labour here in the uk says it will impose strict 24 hour time limits on police when dealing with serious domestic abuse cases. shadow home secretary yvette cooper says she's sick and tired of the government treating violence against women and girls, as she says, inevitable. but the government says labour is soft on crime and

doesn't have a plan to tackle it . and the duke of kent is stepping down as colonel of the scots guard after 50 years. the duke arrived at the regiment's black sunday parade in westminster this morning, and the 88 year old said that holding the position had been a true honour . holding the position had been a true honour. for holding the position had been a true honour . for the latest true honour. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now though, it's to dawn . it's back to dawn. >> thank you very much, sam. now there's plenty more coming up on today's show. but before i tell you what i've got coming up for you, let's to lovely nana you, let's go to the lovely nana akua is on at 3:00 as akua whose show is on at 3:00 as she joins us now. what have you got coming up on your show? >> well, i mean, it the big >> well, i mean, it is the big news. course, the massive news. of course, the massive onslaught to israel . onslaught from iran to israel. but we'll be speaking to uri geller, who lives in tel aviv , geller, who lives in tel aviv, and he's taken some incredible

videos what happened there. videos of what happened there. he's got videos of missiles that are firing overhead, going towards the nuclear plant and so on and so forth. so we'll be speaking to him, getting on speaking to him, getting an on the perspective the ground perspective of that. also i'll be asking, were the uk right to get involved and send jets , should we have done that? jets, should we have done that? and with the news that many of our police recruits are being recruited online without a face to face appointment, do you think that our police should be armed, especially with what's happenedin armed, especially with what's happened in australia? so we'll be looking at that. i've got an incredible mystery guest. plus i shouldn't give this away, shouldn't really give this away, but, . morag will be on but, lovely. morag will be on talking about why she was arrested. she's 74 and she was arrested. she's 74 and she was arrested through scottish arrested through the scottish hate crimes because of her mean neighbour. so she'll be live at the end of my show. >> brilliant. that sounds like a cracking really? don't cracking show. really? don't want it. thank you very want to miss it. thank you very much, nana. remember, much, nana. now remember, you can all your can let me know all your thoughts stories can let me know all your thougtalking stories can let me know all your thougtalking about stories can let me know all your thougtalking about todays can let me know all your thougtalking about today or we're talking about today or anything to gossip anything you want to gossip about. basically sunday afternoon, gb news. com afternoon, visit gb news. com forward slash your and

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and dave. good afternoon and this is dave. good afternoon dave. says it's an dave. he says it's not an ideological occupying protest at ramsay's restaurant. it's all about extortion. the occupiers will be negotiating fee with about extortion. the occupiers will be ito;otiating fee with about extortion. the occupiers will be 110 leave 1g fee with about extortion. the occupiers will be 110 leave the fee with about extortion. the occupiers will be ito leave the premises. ramsay to leave the premises. they'll argue that it's cheaper and quicker than taking legal action, and you've probably got action, and you've probably got a one personal one. a point. but one personal one. chi for you. is jane. hi, chi for you. this is jane. hi, jane , you've got him blushing jane, you've got him blushing already. she says hi. dawn, could you please inform that gentleman that's you, it is not rishi that is saying the echr has overreached. it is half the countryside. we are with him on this one. be told, young man. he's been fortified by angela rayner's cocktail. though so he's not feeling anything anymore, by way. right no, anymore, by the way. right no, we move on, a public row has erupted between wes streeting and ex—labour mp diane abbott over the use of the private sector, abbott challenged mr streeting publicly over the assertion private health care could help cut nhs waiting lists, saying there is no

principled case for using the private sector, just as the spare capacity in private health wes talks about does not exist, only nhs doctors, nurses and the million pound contracts awards will . but wes will give them. but wes responded by pointing out that mr sent her son to a mr abbott sent her son to a £10,000 a year school £10,000 a year private school for hypocrisy. not much. a bit of hypocrisy going on in the labour party here, mike. i mean, there's a thing. >> well, look, the private sector is something which a lot of people in the labour party reject ideologically because they believe that everybody in this country should have access to the services in this country. and they believe that privatisation often takes people up the ladder very rapidly because they can pay for it. i am in favour of the private sector for two reasons. firstly, it's usually more efficient, not in the case of water. i will grant you that under the circumstances . but certainly, circumstances. but certainly, you know, in health and in schooling it's more efficient. the reason i mentioned schooling

there, diane abbott, the reason labour wanted to get rid of private schools is it embarrasses the state sector. private schools very private schools are very efficient. to efficient. now. i went to a direct grant grammar school. that a scholarship that means i got a scholarship for the seven years from the age of 11 to 18, my parents could not have afforded to have sent me that school. it's a me to that school. it's a brilliant school. it's now a private school, and it and it issues up to 40 bursaries a year to take children from homes who could not afford to pay for that level of education. but ideologically and maliciously, labour party want to take it out as a sop to their left wing, you know, private education. disgusting. it's advantageous and it does the country down. it doesn't. it's a fantastic opportunity if they if they kill off private education where or all the children who now go to private schools are going to be educated and the state sector because we haven't got the places. >> i think the point of this story is it's not just the hypocrisy. did send hypocrisy. i mean, she did send her to a private school her child to a private school and now saying you use

and now saying you can't use private but it's private healthcare, but it's also the fact that the labour party, two big beasts, party, these are two big beasts, the are tearing the labour party are tearing one another publicly, another apart very publicly, like the tories are also doing. i mean, it's not looking good for the general election for any of us, is it? >> no, no, but diane abbott is a former labour mp. she is. i should know she lost. >> she was a labour mp when she was having her children. >> of course. and it it is quite a spectacle to see these two tearing into each other, especially on a topic that is so emotive many people , emotive for so many people, because on the one, there's a bit of a dichotomy here, right ? bit of a dichotomy here, right? on the one hand, people want the best their children , for best for their children, for instance. and so yes, many people send their children to private schools as they should. and takes pressure and that actually takes pressure off the state system, of course. and same with the health care system. people who take private health care take away, relieve pressure on the nhs. the problem is that you then have chronic underinvestment in public

services such as health care, such as. >> i don't understand that. >> i don't understand that. >> and what we have seen from the examples that you gave mike of water, energy, 66% of the pubuc of water, energy, 66% of the public support energy being under public ownership , 69% of under public ownership, 69% of the public believe that water should be under public ownership. yeah, i'm not we see we see that actually private ownership has not worked in the last few decades. >> well, it hasn't worked in water. >> why would it work in health and education? no, but in two of the most important sectors. no. but in those in the country, those two sectors you're talking about, it's proven. about, it's been proven. >> does work. do you say >> it does work. why do you say it underfund the public it would underfund the public sector if the private sector was used more in the health service , used more in the health service, why would it underfund the pubuc public sector? >> that's we've seen >> well, that's what we've seen in the last decade and a half under conservative under the conservative government. but we'll see government. no but we'll see a change. we'll see a change when keir people don't don't understand. >> since 2010, budget for

>> since 2010, the budget for the nhs has gone up 50, 50% under 14 years of mostly conservative government. you know, there was obviously the coalition, the detriment of many other unrwa and wes streeting who's a guy i've got a lot of time for, madam, you know, several times talk to him about it. he's the first real politician on either side to come back and say, look, we can't keep money can't just keep throwing money at nhs because more at the nhs because the more money it, the more money you throw at it, the more money you throw at it, the more money absorbs. we've got to money it absorbs. we've got to have look at another i have a look at another way. so i support streeting on this one. one. >> one. >> i see you sir, are so good. i just keep running out of time. and as far as public ownership is concerned, i'm just going to say two words post office. in any dawn any case, this is i'm dawn neesom. is gb news. and neesom. this is gb news. and there's lots coming up on there's lots more coming up on today's are today's show, tory mps are concerned has concerned that government has made in made sweeping concessions in trade on gibraltar in trade talks on gibraltar in order to appease spain and reach a trade deal . order to appease spain and reach a trade deal. has david cameron sold sovereignty ? sold gibraltar's sovereignty? all of that and much more to come.

0h! oh! welcome back. it's gb news sunday. i'm dawn neesom . i'm on your telly neesom. i'm on your telly online. on digital. it's the tiny last weeny bit of the show, but it's going to be a cracker, tory mps are concerned that the government has made sweeping concessions talks in concessions in trade talks in gibraltar, on gibraltar, in order appease the spanish and order to appease the spanish and reach a trade deal post—brexit. all that malarkey , foreign all that malarkey, foreign secretary david cameron has been in this week for talks in brussels this week for talks with his counterparts from spain and the eu . it was announced and the eu. it was announced after the talks that a political agreement had been secured. but they're not telling us about it yet. they will tell us at one point, i'm guessing, but at the moment we don't know what's been agreed. mike, there are agreed. but mike, there are those that are worried that, you know, his what's his know, what's his what's his official lord cameron of chipping norton. yeah. as sold us out a bit to the spanish in the eu. what's your outcome, lord cameron of chipping norton is in my mind, was the most

useless prime minister for the last two centuries. >> and an even more useless foreign secretary. now he's just come back from a trip to the united states, where he's been roundly humiliated . the speaker roundly humiliated. the speaker of the house in, the us, who was the third most powerful politician when asked if you'd like to meet lord cameron, it was a kind of lord who . and the was a kind of lord who. and the answer was no. right goes off to mar a lago to see donald trump and, you know, just really brought on the ire of politicians right across america. but his biggest mistake, of course, was smashing up the country of libya, which he did. i was in libya several times prior to and after the americans struck it militarily , americans struck it militarily, and it was a very well run country. it everybody knew who was in charge. it was colonel gaddafi. and the one thing he did was protect his sea borders, right? because was to right? because he was going to make sure wasn't invaded, but make sure he wasn't invaded, but it people couldn't out it meant people couldn't get out enhen it meant people couldn't get out either. it's a basket case either. now it's a basket case country. millions of people have been displaced , hundreds of

been displaced, hundreds of thousands been killed. thousands have been killed. and it's to down david cameron's it's all to down david cameron's inability to be anything but in my view, a political clown. >> he's not here to defend himself quite clearly. we have asked him in the programme, but he's this he's obviously busy this afternoon . afternoon. >> will defend him >> we think i will defend him properly, mean, this is properly, kai, i mean, this is let's let's stay on gibraltar rather than in the middle. rather than one in the middle. he's middle east. rather than one in the middle. he':not middle east. rather than one in the middle. he':not good middle east. rather than one in the middle. he':not good thismiddle east. rather than one in the middle. he':not good this afternoon,t. it's not good this afternoon, so, but, know, we so, i mean, but, you know, we don't know details of this don't know the details of this deal don't know the details of this deal, is sort like, deal, but it is sort of like, you the sovereignty you know, the sovereignty of gibraltar control gibraltar and the border control . we've been arguing about it since since mike was a boy , a since since mike was a boy, a long time, so what do you think we're going to get out of this? do you suspect that maybe we have been sold out a little bit to the post—brexit deal through? >> it's difficult to tell. look, look, this deal is going to cover things like airports, goods, mobility , vie and a trade goods, mobility, vie and a trade and border deal with gibraltar. would clearly benefit all of us. everybody. yeah there are 15,000 spanish workers who have kept jobs under the current ad hoc,

agreed that we have. and so, yes, we need to find a way through this, but i think the bigger picture is this we are facing a few decades of quite a bit of geopolitical instability. we need our allies with us, whether that's spain, whether that's argentina, for instance, over the, you know, over the over the, you know, over the over what is called the malvinas islands , the falklands, islands, the falklands, actually, what i call. >> yeah. no, we call them the carry on with gibraltar. >> yeah. you've been around the world already this afternoon. >> strait >> gibraltar, strait of gibraltar one most, gibraltar are one of the most, you know, important shipping lanes not just, lanes in the world. not just, not just to us. >> i we need to keep our >> i think we need to keep our allies close over the next few decades. and if that means getting closer to spain, getting to an agreement on gibraltar like the one that. we're yet to find out the details, but it seems promising, then absolutely we should. >> i just hope we haven't made

any concessions. have you been to gibraltar, i haven't, well, i have, and it is very british, you know what i mean? you know, you know what i mean? you know, you see more union jacks in gibraltar you see in london gibraltar than you see in london because. and we cannot sell those out . no, we cannot those people out. no, we cannot sell them out of them. we cannot sell them out of them. we cannot sell those those people out. you know, got to we've to know, we've got to we've got to give assurances you give them assurances that you will british, no will always be british, no matter spanish say . okay. >> well, that's that one. and i've just got to touch . back in i've just got to touch. back in the 1970s, gib used to mean something completely different. there was a thing. it used to mean good in bed. now when i say only you would know that, you know, i wasn't. i was very young. and you know nothing about as said, about it. but then, as you said, why you? means in bed. >> i'm very harsh. >> i'm very harsh. >> dawn. >> dawn. >> one of those need to be very harsh, i'm dawn neesom this has been gb news sunday. but don't go because there's go too far because there's plenty more coming with nana plenty more coming up with nana akua. just in akua. and that's just in a minute. she's got some great minute. and she's got some great debate. and then at 6:00 it's neil oliver speech neil oliver and free speech nation, even better at 7:00. and mark indeed at nine, but

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