finally become law or not? and good finally become law or not.7 and good news. inflation falls again. so do you reckon we've turned a corner.7 do you think it's going to help the tories after all.7 and it's going to help the tories after all? and do you actually feel better off. and do you think it's time for an think now it's time for an interest cut or not? and interest rate cut or not? and get this, nearly 3 million people in this country are on long terms, sick leave. many of those people. apparently it's because their mental health because of their mental health when it comes to our welfare system. do you think all of this is sustainable or not? and let me you this do you think you me ask you this do you think you should be to smack your should be able to smack your child, grandchild ? it's child, your grandchild? it's unlawful scotland and wales unlawful in scotland and wales but in england and but allowed in england and northern ireland if it constitutes reasonable punishments. experts now want that to be outlawed . do you that to be outlawed. do you agree with them or . not? yes. agree with them or. not? yes. expect some robust debate over the next hour . but before we get the next hour. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's 6:00 news.

>> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story tonight from the gb newsroom is that mps have rejected all amendments to the government's rwanda bill suggested by the house of lords. let's show you live pictures of the upper chamber. the rejected legislation is back there, and it's understood . and labour it's understood. and labour peers will apparently back two of those amendments tonight. if they pass, mps will then consider them in the commons this coming monday. full coverage of that, of course. right here. gp news and the prime minister has put on record he's committed to getting flights off the ground to rwanda by end of the spring. well, by the end of the spring. well, in other news today, sir keir starmer has accused the prime minister of dodging questions over cutting nhs and pension funding to cover the cost of eventually scrapping national insurance. speaking during prime minister's questions today, the labour leader criticised the

conservatives for what he called their obsession with wild, unfunded tax cuts. rishi sunak fought back, though, telling the commons it's always the same with labour. he said higher taxes and working people paying the price. meanwhile the prime minister was hailing today's inflation figures, saying they demonstrated his economic plan is working. figures show the rate of inflation is indeed down. it's fallen to its lowest level in two and a half years. in fact, that's to down 3.2% in march, compared with 3.4% the month before. economists are saying a dip in food prices is the main reason for that slowdown. we've been speaking to people in market bosworth in leicestershire to hear what they thought about the drop in inflation. >> it's better than it going the other way, that's for sure, but i don't think it's going to make a massive difference to the man in the street. >> no, i haven't really noticed. i'm with my shopping. i know exactly what i buy every week. so i know what my bills are

every week. and at this point in time, i haven't seen them come down. >> it doesn't really make any difference. it is what it is. >> people want more increase in wages. things have got to go up and i'm afraid they'll have to put up with it . put up with it. >> now a 28 year old man convicted of attempting to murder two elderly worshippers in mosques in what a judge described as a horrific attack, has been sentenced to an indefinite hospital order. mohammed akua, who has paranoid schizophrenia, threw petrol over his victims and set them alight outside mosques in both birmingham and london. the court heard 82 year old hashi odowa and 70 year old mohammed riaz were chosen at random because akua believed they were possessed by evil spirits . possessed by evil spirits. mohammed riaz jr said his father's attacker should have been sent to prison to face the maximum sentence. >> mohammed apcar, who set my father on fire. he's not going

to serve a prison sentence, but he's going to be going to a hospital, probably get served a three course meal and have an evening cup of tea. where as he should be in a prison, you know, facing , you know, maximum, facing, you know, maximum, maximum punishment, especially setting two people on fire in two main cities of the united kingdom. you're talking about london and birmingham. i mean, how could this happen? >> mohammed riaz speaking there . >> mohammed riaz speaking there. sussex police formally apologised today for serious failings in its investigation into the murders of two little girls in the 1980s. nine year old nicola fellows and karen hadaway were sexually assaulted by paedophile russell bishop in woodland near brighton in 1986. the attacker was acquitted at the end of his first trial a year later, due to legal weaknesses in the case, as well as lies told by the pedophile's ex—girlfriend. meanwhile paedophiles convicted of serious sexual offences could lose their

parental rights. a proposed law would stop offenders being able to decide where their children go to school. for example, as well as important health and travel choices for their children. only the most serious sexual offence , rape of a child sexual offence, rape of a child under 13, is going to be covered under 13, is going to be covered under that new rule. but labour's mp harriet harman says the rule could be extended to cover less serious sexual offences against children in future . now the boss of the post future. now the boss of the post office has been exonerated following an independent investigation into allegations of bullying . nick read always of bullying. nick read always rejected claims of misconduct . rejected claims of misconduct. the firm says he has its full backing now to lead the organisation, which continues to fall under the spotlight over the horizon. it scandal, during which hundreds of subpostmasters were wrongly convicted of theft , were wrongly convicted of theft, and just one note of international to news bring you up to date with concerning the israeli prime minister. he's been speaking with our foreign secretary, lord cameron, and he

has said in no uncertain terms, israel will be making its own decisions, he said, about how it's going to defend itself as global leaders pleaded for restraint over how is well will be responding to those iranian drone and missile attacks over the weekend. david cameron, speaking with benjamin netanyahu . are you saying more and definitely different actions could be taken to sanction tehran? rishi sunak of course. don't forget speaking to his israeli counterpart last night, saying any significant escalation is in no one's interest and would only deepen insecurity in the region. we're following that story for you. of course, all the time on gb news throughout the evening . that's throughout the evening. that's the news. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common that's . that's. >> thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00

tonight alongside my panel, i've got quentin letts, the parliamentary sketchwriter for the daily mail, and aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media. good evening to both of you. and you know, the drill, don't you? it's not just about us three. it is about you at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways. you can tweet me or text me. if you're down with the kids, you can also online to kids, you can also go online to our this is our new our website. this is our new snazzy gbnews.com/yoursay snazzy way of gbnews.com/yoursay i've already been chatting to some of you on there tonight, but you're very welcome. and don't that's not your don't worry if that's not your kind thing , don't worry if that's not your kind thing, you can still kind of thing, you can still email me as well on the usual address. all of your views are very welcome tonight. also, aaron, i'm pleased to have you because it was a big night in football last night for portsmouth, wasn't it? >> it was . it is. yeah, it was, >> it was. it is. yeah, it was, i live in portsmouth and until the early hours could hear the early hours you could hear them past our front door them stream past our front door shouting , blue army play at pompey. >> you wasn't there with your shirt over your head, doing your

chants from bournemouth , chants from bournemouth, bournemouth and swinging your beers anyone see beers around. did anyone see that there was a huge pitch invasion last night? congratulations to anyone. >> it means so much that city is an extraordinary city in its relationships. the football club is very unusual. >> yeah, it's very good, actually, although when i was mentioning was to mentioning that i was going to do this tonight, people were saying, sure you point out saying, make sure you point out they shouldn't been doing they shouldn't have been doing a pitch i mean, come off pitch invasion. i mean, come off it. promoted it. if you've just been promoted like you're going up like that, you're going to be up to it. you're going to be celebrating. there'll be a few sore heads, tell you. sore heads, i can tell you. right now in portsmouth tonight. you're football fan, you're a massive football fan, quentin. quite football. quentin. i quite like football. >> hereford but my friend >> hereford fc, but my friend robert hardman, the royal biographer, he's a tremendous portsmouth fan, so, he'll be he's more excited than portsmouth than he is about king charles. >> is he really? well. are you in barnes? are you in barnsley tonight? you perhaps won't be feeling very , very good. should feeling very, very good. should i say about, matters tonight ? i say about, matters tonight? but, also, i'll tell you what.

you might not be feeling very great about the rwanda situation. you know, this is one of those things because many people will very strong people will have very strong opinions on the channel crossings and the situation. there but i wonder when you hear this rumoured now the rwanda where the rwanda plan, what do you do? because i used to be kind of in there. i used to think, yeah, do you know what? it's going to be a deterrent. but as a kind of months, weeks, years now actually rumbled years now actually of rumbled on, become a bit of a on, it has become a bit of a farce now, hasn't it, don't forget, it was pretty patel. she first, announced this, it first, announced this, and it was literally. even was literally. i'm not even exaggerating. two years exaggerating. about two years ago been toing and ago now, we've been toing and froing with this, in parliament. in just a second, i shall be crossing live to our political edhon crossing live to our political editor, christopher hope. he's going bring us up to speed going to bring us up to speed with all twists and turns. with all the twists and turns. but quentin, let's . you've but you, quentin, let's. you've been today, haven't you? been there today, haven't you? watching on in parliament. >> yes, but there was very little of it, i was doing pmqs, but it's only it's now in the point where it's very quick. ping pong. pong. they're ping pong. ping pong. so they're

not long not really having long discussions it . they're discussions about it. they're just votes. then it goes just having votes. then it goes to house lords, the house to the house of lords, the house of wake up and say, of lords, wake up and say, where's my oh yeah, where's my bovril? oh yeah, we're that. then we're discussing that. and then they then they're being they vote and then they're being they're being obstructive . they're still being obstructive. >> an insight or give >> give me an insight or give the viewers an insight, if you will. know, you're kind of will. you know, you're kind of mixing hoi polloi. all mixing with the hoi polloi. all of day out. i of these mps, day in, day out. i try avoid them. try to avoid them. >> well, what's people sentiment about this rwanda thing? >> energy there , the >> is the energy there, the motivation there? or are people just a past or what? just a bit past it or what? well, think there's quite well, i think there's quite a lot of what you said earlier. >> people excited. >> people were very excited. a lot quite on the lot of us were quite on the right. thought, it's a really right. we thought, it's a really goodidea right. we thought, it's a really good idea at the start, but that enthusiasm has been tempered by the establishment gumming up the works. been an amazing, works. and it's been an amazing, sustained act of obstreperousness , by the elite. obstreperousness, by the elite. >> let's cross that live then, shall we, to our political edhon shall we, to our political editor. he is in westminster now. christopher hope. christopher, for anyone who hasn't followed the goings on, over the last kind of 48 hours or so, just bring everyone up to speed as to where we are

tonight. please >> good evening. michelle and. hi, quentin. and the panel. that's right. i'm here in historic , westminster hall. historic, westminster hall. where? where? forever. this is how parliaments have passed laws. the house of commons, the elected commons votes through measures. the house of lords tries to get the commons to think again. and the battle between the two over who will win. and in this case, it's the safety of rwanda bill. this bill is meant to ensure people is meant to ensure that people who here illegally can be who arrive here illegally can be flown rwanda, where they'll flown to rwanda, where they'll stay idea of that threat stay and the idea of that threat is to break the business is meant to break the business model of these people traffickers france. that's traffickers from france. that's the idea for now. members of the house of lords are trying to make changes to the to this bill, which the government thinks might weaken it and allow lawyers to get their claws into it and find loopholes to stop anyone being flown to rwanda. now, there are four amendments that have been going backwards and forwards between the commons and forwards between the commons and the lords, as things stand, the laws are due to start

debating again the four that have come back to them from the house of commons today. i understand that two of those amendments lords hope and amendments from lords hope and lords one of them, which lords brown, one of them, which will people who have will mean that people who have fought or served with forces fought or served with uk forces in afghanistan can't be flown to rwanda. that's one of the amendments. the second one is lord hope . he wants, some some lord hope. he wants, some some form of official report every year to assert that rwanda is a safe country. those two measures, the labour peers are trying to get overturned again and sent back to the commons, and sent back to the commons, and no one quite knows now what the crossbenches will do. if they support the labour peers, then those two measures go back to the commons, probably on monday . and the idea that this monday. and the idea that this could be law by tomorrow, which the whips been targeting the whips have been targeting for month now, is for for about a month now, is for the birds. we go into another week and it all starts again . so week and it all starts again. so this is the nature of making laws in parliament. it's like making sausages. you shouldn't look too much detail about look in too much detail about what's going on. >> fascinating analogy there. i like it , christopher.

>> fascinating analogy there. i like it, christopher. thank you, i'll won't get involved in my thoughts about sausages that is just now planted in my head. i'll stick with rwanda, are we ever actually going to get to the end of this, aaron? >> i don't think so. i mean, your own channel, earlier this month. no. yes. earlier this month. no. yes. earlier this month 70% the month reported that 70% of the homes on a particular site, which had been gushed over by suella braverman, had actually been sold. you have to presume that's because those in rwanda, particularly paul kagame , the particularly paul kagame, the leader of that country, recognised this won't happen. and if it is on the statute books, it's hard to see it being implemented in any meaningful sense before general election. i suppose the bet from the conservative party and their supporters would be, well, look, if we can just get several hundred people over there, symbolically, that's a big win ahead of the next general election. we can show there's almost prototype of how almost like a prototype of how we want to create this, deterrent . that may be something deterrent. that may be something of a game changer, but i think

if you end up with 20, 30 people over there, it's going to look kind of ridiculous. so if i was a betting person, i would say they probably will some they probably will get some people there, but not people over there, but not enough it to make real enough for it to make a real political difference. >> well, there's tremendous sort of, shallow political games going was talk going on here. there was talk earlier today that rishi sunak was maybe going to do a press conference tomorrow or the following day. the labour party now to to stop the now wants to try to stop the prime minister having his little press conference. so that's part of here. of what's going on here. and there's game on, there's another game going on, which the labour party which is that the labour party is be keen is understood to be keen to throw up political story which throw up a political story which would the angela rayner would obscure the angela rayner story, gaining legs at story, which is gaining legs at the moment. so there's some sort of those are some of the political shenanigans there. but the me as, as the really strikes me as, as a very discreditable thing here is that the house of lords , it that the house of lords, it strikes me, is basically helping the people smugglers, and that to me is a bad look for the house of lords. and it makes, some people i would include myself in this, i think let's,

let's get rid of the house of lords and keir starmer. sir keir starmer was going to get rid of the house of lords. but i think he may have changed his view now, i was at an airport the other day, queuing in a very long queue passport control long queue for passport control and border force people and all the border force people were there, massive queue. were stood there, massive queue. and thought, this is all and i just thought, this is all a bit of a farce really, a little bit of a farce really, because you're checking all of a little bit of a farce really, bec documents, checking all of a little bit of a farce really, bec documents, seeingg all of a little bit of a farce really, bec documents, seeingg all was our documents, seeing who was coming whereas coming in and whatever, whereas actually can just get on actually people can just get on these dinghies, enter the country no one has country illegally. no one has a clue who they are for them. get rid of maybe not half, but lots of them get rid of their documents. and it made me quite angry actually, because i thought that what's happening now duty now is a dereliction of duty from government. think from the government. i think that your primary that one of your primary responsibilities as the government is to keep, your civilians and also enforce civilians safe and also enforce your protect your your borders, protect your borders . and you've got borders. and when you've got a situation where you've got, situation now where you've got, i think it's 6000 odd people this year alone, nearly 30% up on point year. it's on this point last year. it's out of control, £15 million a day. now, being spent housing

these people in hotels at 8 million a day. figure, by the way, are long gone. everyone. >> that's why they're trying to do bill. do this, bill. >> yeah. but this bill, you >> yeah. no, but this bill, you see, used think, yeah, this see, i used to think, yeah, this is a deterrent. no, think that is a deterrent. no, i think that the has sailed, pardon the the ship has sailed, pardon the pun. think needs to pun. what i think needs to happen is a national happen now is a national emergency called emergency needs to be called this a national emergency. this is a national emergency. i think you need to enlist think that you need to enlist the military to protect the borders. well, they that, borders. well, they tried that, but tried it? but who tried it? >> i think it would still. i think it still be a deterrent. >> who tried it? >> who tried it? >> i mean, the armed forces were involved at some point and then decided, don't you think is decided, don't you think this is a now? decided, don't you think this is a i now? decided, don't you think this is a i agree, now? decided, don't you think this is a i agree, i now? decided, don't you think this is a i agree, i think now? decided, don't you think this is a i agree, i think il'stow? >> i agree, i think it's absolutely disgraceful, but i still be still think it will be a deterrent. you? yes. see, i deterrent. do you? yes. see, i was in your camp, but i'm not anymore because i just think, understandably, you have become, dismayed the gumming up by dismayed by the gumming up by the house of lords, people playing their games. >> i mean, it's a really irritating and frustrating business. i'm more than dismayed. >> i'm pretty damn disgusted, actually. yeah people breach actually. yeah people can breach the repeatedly this the border repeatedly in this way, and then, at the cost of

the taxpayers, be put up in hotels and all the rest of it. >> we are as one. >> i think i suspect i won't be as one with you, aaron, because i think it's time to consider genuinely pushing back these boats, making it absolutely rock solid will not cross solid clear. you will not cross into this water. it's not going to happen. >> well, i think the issue of the european convention on human rights comes back there. and again, it goes back to the fact that the conservatives, repeatedly over various leadership. >> you don't have a right to illegally breach a border . illegally breach a border. >> well, no, but i'm saying there are certain conventions and treaties that we've signed up to. and of course, you can make the argument we should leave them. some people are making that argument, but i think where there's been, misrepresentation distortion misrepresentation and distortion from the conservative side is they've said we can action a certain kind of policy with regards to refugees, which quite simply isn't possible if you're in the echr i imagine it's probably not possible if you have the supreme court .

probably not possible if you have the supreme court. but for some reason we've had many, many years of consecutive home secretaries pretending otherwise. i suspect, because getting rid of the supreme court, that venerable institution first established in 2009. yeah, i suspect because getting rid of that and moving around with various treaties and whatnot will be very hard work. and if you want to get on the multinational gravy train of the imf, the wto , oecd, davos, after imf, the wto, oecd, davos, after you leave office, you won't be very popular . you leave office, you won't be very popular. so i think there has been a lack of honesty on the behalf of the conservative party for a very long time towards their voters about precisely what it would take to do some of the things you're talking about. >> yeah, i believe that all, countries have the right to protect their borders. it's a bafic protect their borders. it's a basic right for the countries. what i think there is now is an absolute political will absolute lack of political will to have the chops, to actually have the chops, either to explore this properly or putting steps in or to start putting steps in place to move towards the judges. >> don't agree with you, michel. the judges have are not in your

camp . camp. >> well, i bet some of them would be. has this ever been as it's ever been? has this ever been put? they won't be. has this ever been put because i actually don't know. maybe i'm wrong and you will be more knowledgeable. perhaps than what i am. has this ever been put i am. but has this ever been put forward right, do you forward and say, right, do you know this is what we're know what this is what we're going to we are going to going to do? we are going to start defending. we're to start defending. we're going to declare a national emergency. we're defending we're going to start defending our boundaries, our our waters, our boundaries, our borders, . borders, our territory. >> the supreme court >> look what the supreme court did last rwanda effort , did to the last rwanda effort, which was passed by parliament. and court said , no, and the supreme court said, no, you do that because we're you can't do that because we're going united nations going to take you united nations opinion on the of what do opinion on the safety of what do you make to it all, i think everybody, quite frankly, seems to be losing plot on this to be losing the plot on this issue. and the government has certainly control. this certainly lost control. this will cause huge at will cause them huge problems at the ballot box. i suspect , the next ballot box. i suspect, irrespective of whether or not a plane happens to land in rwanda or not. but where are you on the issue? i want to know. get in touch all the usual ways with me tonight. lots that i want to talk to you about. do you feel

positive today, when you saw the inflation numbers, they've positive today, when you saw the inflatioless, nbers, they've positive today, when you saw the inflatioless, though, 1ey've positive today, when you saw the inflatioless, though, perhaps, fallen, less, though, perhaps, than was expected. do you than what was expected. do you feel today or also feel richer today or not? also we've got so many people now, millions out of work saying that their mental health to blame. their mental health is to blame. what we do about this? see

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight. quentin letts, the parliamentary sketchwriter for the daily mail alongside me, as is aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media. welcome back, everybody , what a waste of everybody, what a waste of parliamentary time , says parliamentary time, says michael, there's so many other things that our members should be discussing. of course, he's referencing . then the rwanda referencing. then the rwanda plan that's going through ping pong at the moment, dysfunctional, says john, trish, is everything this government doesis is everything this government does is a farce . matt says,

does is a farce. matt says, rwanda is only a deterrent if you can send a thousand a year. otherwise it is simply a gimmick, he says. i've got to say that i think many people will agree with that. but let me know your thoughts on that rwanda plan. keep them coming in all the usual ways, philip says. michelle, you still see our michelle, can you still see our emails? yes, philip, most emails? yes, philip, i most certainly whatever floats certainly can. whatever floats your boat, you can get in touch with me way. your views are with me that way. your views are very course very welcome. but of course inflation. the news inflation. we got the news today. fallen. it was 3.4. today. it's fallen. it was 3.4. it's now fallen to 3.2. were there tiger. some people will say because it was predicted and expected to fall to 3.1. but that didn't happen in. anyway though we are kind of going in the direction . in the direction the direction. in the direction feels like it's the right one. rishi sunak said that he would half inflation. he's tick that box and then some, do you think that we're in a good position right now with all this or not? quentin >> well, i think it could be worse, but i'd like to see inflation lower. and the thing that is petrol that strikes me is that petrol pnces that strikes me is that petrol prices seem to be going up again. and, that seems to be,

perhaps linked to what's going again. and, that seems to be, pe|in ps linked to what's going again. and, that seems to be, pe|in the inked to what's going again. and, that seems to be, pe|in the middle» what's going again. and, that seems to be, pe|in the middle east. 's going again. and, that seems to be, pe|in the middle east. the,ing again. and, that seems to be, pe|in the middle east. the, our on in the middle east. the, our economy is just a very small, small fry compared to the general western economy, which is influenced by it's affected by, the things like closing off, or shipping difficulties in the middle east and, the oil, the whole oil price , is affected by whole oil price, is affected by middle eastern crisis, of course. so that those sort of things are not very helpful at the moment. >> well, this is why when we was talking about the whole situation, when people were talking about israel and asking them to show restraint or whatever, when comes to whatever, when it comes to responding what iran did, and responding to what iran did, and we did a whole piece on this and a few people in touch, a few people getting in touch, they michel, you know, they all, michel, you know, focus uk matters. i was focus on uk matters. and i was trying to say, believe you me, what happens middle east what happens in the middle east will affect people will absolutely affect people here uk. whatever they here in the uk. whatever they think conflict and think of that conflict and whatever they're on, whatever side they're on, irrelevant even just irrelevant, even just economically, affect people. >> that's absolutely well

>> that's absolutely right. well look early 1970s. you look at the early 1970s. you have a conflict involving israel, you have subsequent embargo of oil by the opec countries, primarily in west asia, towards europe. you see a massive price rise with regards to oil , massive price rise with regards to oil, massive massive price rise with regards to oil , massive runaway to oil, massive runaway inflation. you cannot imagine a world of margaret thatcher and the turn against the keynesian state as we like to call it, of the 50s, the 60s, the early 70s that doesn't happen. certainly not in that without .the oil not in that way. without .the oil crisis of the early 70s. so oil pnces crisis of the early 70s. so oil prices are fundamental. crisis of the early 70s. so oil prices are fundamental . and the prices are fundamental. and the idea that, oh, this doesn't matter with regards to iran, iran's doctrine of self defence, if the proverbial really hits the fan, it's too close down the arabian sea, the red sea and the strait of hormuz, and you're looking at around 35, 40% of globally traded oil . if that globally traded oil. if that happens, you would see a price spike. i think probably quite similar to the early 1970s. now that's highly unlikely , but it that's highly unlikely, but it is probably important context for people when they oh, we for people when they say, oh, we should just care about here at home big, big home because there are big, big implications with regards to

what the middle east what happens in the middle east for here in the uk. for us here in the uk. >> yeah, i mean, do you share this view? we've just been in the headlines as well. the news headlines as well. we're seeing cameron we're just seeing cameron there with, netanyahu. >> pictures are glorious. >> i was just about to say you made comment which the made a comment to me, which the viewers have been able viewers wouldn't have been able to listening to hear because we was listening diligently instead. diligently to polly instead. what saying? what were you saying? >> photographs showed, >> well, the photographs showed, mr lord cameron, rather mr cameron, lord cameron, rather bouncing his bouncing up and down in his chair, trying to engage, benjamin netanyahu in conversation and netanyahu looking our foreign secretary. >> i get the impression i think i'm right about this is that the israeli prime minister thinks that our foreign secretary is a grade one turkey, and, has no time for him at all. and lord cameron's been pushing some quite , quite a sort of quite, quite a sort of surprisingly israeli sceptic line, from, from the government recently sunak seems much more keen on europe, on, on israel than , than cameron does. and than, than cameron does. and i just don't think netanyahu and cameron are made for each other. i think they should be kept as

far apart from the butter knives as possible . as possible. >> do you think that's fair? netanyahu's, position or actually cameron's view of being potentially anti—israeli, anti —israel potentially anti—israeli, anti—israel is a strong is a strong tum. >> i agree, i agree with what quentin said. i think it's far more it's far more critical of israel than perhaps one might have anticipated. he's probably led the way more than keir starmer has. i think he has said certain things. and actually, in the cameron and the slipstream of cameron and biden, you biden, starmer's followed you would have thought, given their respective electoral coalitions , respective electoral coalitions, starmer say something starmer would say something which leading the which is actually leading the way to cameron. way with regards to cameron. that's not been the case. so i think that's right. however you know, was that story in know, there was that story in the ft that israelis the ft that the israelis wouldn't time to speak to wouldn't have time to speak to our and think, look, our people. and i think, look, you the royal air force, you have the royal air force, bringing down ballistic missiles, iranian missiles, bringing down iranian drones the taxpayer in drones that cost the taxpayer in this country money. we lost three our people, aid aid three of our people, our aid aid workers gaza killed workers in gaza killed accidentally. that's what the idf that's it's not fine, idf said. that's it's not fine, but they've explanation but they've given an explanation . frankly, we . and i think, frankly, we should done more in should have done more in response. given all

response. but okay, given all that, utterly that, i find it utterly remarkable that netanyahu can say, sorry, i haven't got time, because without the us air force , without the royal air force, that by iran on israel that attack by iran on israel would looked fundamentally would have looked fundamentally different. you are they actually >> but do you are they actually speaking those workers , speaking of those aid workers, those british ones? has there been independent inquiry as been an independent inquiry as to went on there or just to what went on there or just the israeli inquiry? >> remarkable thing. >> here's the remarkable thing. i it crazy you lose i mean, isn't it crazy you lose three of your three three of your people, three ex—service personnel, and they say, investigate yourselves, there a poll, an there was also a poll, an australian and a us canadian dual national that were killed, as a palestinian. as as well as a palestinian. as i understand it, the only independent investigation thus far polish government far is by the polish government or general or the solicitor general into the the polish the death of the polish national. i don't understand for the life of me why we can't do something similar in this country, but there you are. >> i thought it was a bit odd. that response only happened very recently, so i think, you know, one be you've to one might be you've got to remember as that the, the remember as well that the, the israelis though israelis are feeling, though they a war and they are, they're in a war and they're fighting for their country. and sometimes we've got

to put ourselves in that position. if we were in the position. if we were in the position where we had had 300 iranian missiles being fired at us, now we might not take very kindly to people from the labour party of another state, saying that we shouldn't be defending ourselves. so i, i'm very sympathetic to i try to be sympathetic to i try to be sympathetic to i try to be sympathetic to all sides in this, but i think the israelis, you've got to bear in mind that they are they are fighting for their country at the moment, let me bring it back to uk inflation then, because rishi sunak of course, he made this one of his pledges, as we've just been saying. but i just wonder how pledges, as we've just been saying how i just wonder how pledges, as we've just been saying how much wonder how pledges, as we've just been saying how much is )nder how pledges, as we've just been saying how much is thisr how pledges, as we've just been saying how much is this duev pledges, as we've just been saying how much is this due to much, how much is this due to the efforts of rishi sunak this kind of fall in inflation. and yes, by the way, at home you'll say, michelle, you know, inflation falling doesn't mean everything is getting cheaper. it just means that they're they're know they're rising less fast. i know that, much this is to that, but how much of this is to sunak's credit ? sunak's credit? >> well, it's interesting, isn't it? when inflation skyrockets,

the government says we can't do anything. it's the bank of england which is responsible for interest and inflation. interest rates and inflation. and it's a good news story, and when it's a good news story, it's us. i mean, partly it's it's all us. i mean, partly it's because of government. because of the government. partly because bank partly it's because of the bank of england. fundamentally, of england. but fundamentally, the were the inflation that we were seeing 18 months, 18 months ago, two years ago was fundamentally because of issues beyond their control, energy prices control, primarily energy prices . those have come down so somewhat they they didn't make the problem worse. and that's that's okay. that's okay. that's a politicians often a good thing. politicians often do they do that, but yeah, they shouldn't taking whole, shouldn't be taking the whole, the whole plaudits by any means. >> i think you can give him credit for a general sense of economic stability for and the pubuc economic stability for and the public sector pay, keeping keeping those pay settlements a bit lower than the public sector wanted . so i think that that but wanted. so i think that that but the bank of england, actually the bank of england, actually the bank of england, actually the bank of england is pretty ropey place at the moment. and the governor is a is a loose tooth. >> do you think that the bank of england should cut the base rate then, yes, i do, although it is, looking a little less likely now

that the inflation didn't go down quite as much. but i think they should have been much more optimistic. >> yeah, it was, it was predicted to go fall to 3.1. and actually it was 3.2. they will cease. >> i get the impression that the bank of england is, is eager to seize any opportunity to be pessimistic. yeah and i think there were predictions that there were predictions that there would be quite a few interest rate cuts this year. i think people are very hastily kind of re—evaluated those predictions, predicting perhaps just one. do you think the bank of england is being a little bit too overcautious in this? and let's just been let's listen. we've just been talking much credit talking about how much credit sunak, should be given. sunak, etc. should be given. let's listen to what rishi sunak had say today. let's listen to what rishi sunak hactaxesy today. let's listen to what rishi sunak hactaxesy todtbeen cut by £900, >> taxes have been cut by £900, state gone up, free state pensions gone up, free childcare has been expanded, wages risen for nine months wages have risen for nine months in a row, mr speaker, and just today, inflation down again to 3.2. our plan is working and the conservatives are delivering a brighter future for britain . brighter future for britain. >> let's listen then, to what

rachel reeves had to say in response. >> i think that the reasons for the falls in inflation are down to what's happening in some of the global markets, but the truth is that people are still worse off, worse off after 14 years of conservative government. and this will be the only parliament where living standards are lower. at the end of the parliament than they were at the beginning. that is the legacy years of legacy of 14 years of conservative government plodding along then. >> aaron bastani i'm not the biggest fan rachel reeves. biggest fan of rachel reeves. when she's right on biggest fan of rachel reeves. wh

>> oh yeah, so did i. >> cool nightmare. >> cool nightmare. >> and you are 4 or £500 worse off a result, purely on your off as a result, purely on your mortgage energy plus food. mortgage plus energy plus food. do play very hard? do you play very hard? >> do blame the government >> do you blame the government specifically mortgage specifically for your mortgage goingthink well, i would >> i think well, i would certainly blame liz truss if, you know, i think we need to reassess interest rates and inflation in this country. so right now inflation, the target is 2. and we won't really see cuts to interest rates until it's around there. i think that's too much. i think in the medium tum that figure should be between three and because between three and 4% because you're allowing for you're basically allowing for a long time economic stagnation. i don't helps anybody . don't think that helps anybody. i interest rate cut i think an interest rate cut right probably another one right now, probably another one would be a tonic. we're not going to we'll maybe see one later year. and by the way, later this year. and by the way, that's number one reason why that's the number one reason why i think the are really screwed. >> and you just said that your mortgage through the roof. >> and you just said that your moyou ge through the roof. >> and you just said that your moyou blame through the roof. >> and you just said that your moyou blame the 'ough the roof. >> and you just said that your moyou blame the government»f. >> and you just said that your moyou blame the government for do you blame the government for that, blame andrew bailey that, i blame andrew bailey a lot, actually. the governor of the bank of england was a really unimpressive dithery type and

also an extremely boring man. but that's by the by, but perhaps you want the governor of the bank of england to be boring. but my goodness, he wins pnzes boring. but my goodness, he wins prizes at it. but he doesn't radiate any sort of control or vision or , belief in our vision or, belief in our country, and i blame him. i mean , liz truss, i think the blame of her for her has been possibly slightly overdone, i don't know. >> yeah. i think she became a very convenient scapegoat. liz truss, isn't she, lee says michelle, prices are still rising and many people are suffering. it wasn't rishi that's got inflation down. it's nothing to do with the tories. but did you think it was anything to do with the tories when inflation was going up early? your thoughts early? tell me your thoughts on that. says never get that. liz says we'll never get inflation down to a completely lower level if wages keep increasing , because then we go increasing, because then we go round in a wage price spiral . round in a wage price spiral. all so says les andrew, says michelle, you are being very flippant about the topic of mental health, and i wish that you weren't. so he's referring

to the, topic that's coming up after the break. millions of people now are on long time sick in this country. many of those because of mental health issues. i am certainly not flippant about mental health, i assure you of that. but how? what do we do? how do we have a welfare system that can support this? should it be supporting that or not? tell me. i'll see you in two.

hello. welcome back. i'm michelle dewberry, alongside me, quentin letts and aaron bastani remain , before the end of the remain, before the end of the program, i want to ask you, do you think you should be able to smack your own children or your grandchildren, children that you're for? you're not you're caring for? you're not allowed, england and northern allowed, in england and northern ireland, to ireland, but experts want to change so come on to change that. so i'll come on to that a few minutes. but that in a few minutes. but before i get i want to before i get there, i want to talk about a report in the daily mail today was highlighting what

they worklessness mail today was highlighting what they that worklessness mail today was highlighting what they that interviewedllessness mail today was highlighting what they that interviewed;leload;s crisis, that interviewed a load of basically that said, of men, basically that said, essentially, i'm paraphrasing, can it all their website can read it all on their website if you're interested, but it was basically them saying that they wasn't their while wasn't really worth their while going apparently going to work. apparently there's million people there's about 10 million people of that are of working age that are economically at this economically inactive at this moment time. about million moment in time. about 3 million of are on long term sick of those are on long term sick leave. and my eye. leave. and it caught my eye. there's quite a lot of those people as well that are off with mental health issues. now, this whole of worklessness , i whole issue of worklessness, i want to have to resolve it. aaron. >> yeah, you know, it's a it's a huge conversation, a huge conversation . the first thing conversation. the first thing i'd want to say is that sometimes the figures aren't especially revealing. so 9.4 million people of working age are economically inactive, but that include a significant that does include a significant number students . it includes number of students. it includes people that retire early, stay at home mums . they might have a at home mums. they might have a child and they say, you know what, i can't, i don't want to pay what, i can't, i don't want to pay the nursery fees. we can afford it. hum, actually, afford it. hum, or actually, financially, doesn't make any financially, it doesn't make any sense. stay at for

sense. i will stay at home for a couple of years. there's lots of people, however, there of people, however, there are of course, still many people after that are on long sick that who are on long tum sick leave. is leave. and increasingly that is people health people with mental health issues. depression in issues. i've had depression in the i've had anxiety in the past. i've had anxiety in the past. i've had anxiety in the they were the past. they were debilitating. were awful. debilitating. they were awful. but that really struck but one thing that really struck me was how hard it was to get effective treatment from nhs effective treatment from the nhs . it took me three gp's to actually get a proper assessment of what the issue was. i didn't even know i had depression, and it was only because my wife said, i have a great doctor, go see him and i wonder how much of this could be nipped in bud see him and i wonder how much of thwe ould be nipped in bud see him and i wonder how much of thwe were be nipped in bud see him and i wonder how much of thwe were spending in bud see him and i wonder how much of thwe were spending a] bud see him and i wonder how much of thwe were spending a tiny bud if we were spending a tiny portion of this on better mental health services. i don't mean long time care, although that's probably a part of it too. but just right at the start, when people feel that they've lost their emotional resilience , their emotional resilience, they're feeling they can't they're feeling down. they can't quite that trip to quite explain why that trip to the doctor and just trying to work out what the issue is makes all the difference. and i feel like we're operating as is so often the case in this country, a bit of a false economy and

actually the savings from effectively identifying and treating stuff early on is treating this stuff early on is a game changer. >> quentin, your thoughts? >> quentin, your thoughts? >> i think a lot of people are taking the mick, actually, a lot of people who are of these, people who are refusing to work and the piece in mail, very good piece by in the mail, very good piece by leo mckinstry and inaya folarin iman, today, really interesting. and it's showing that, mental health is becoming almost a fashionable, thing. that's the way it seems to be. and that the money that they are getting these people for not working is better than the old age pension. and you just think, hang on, this is this is an incentive to not work that the state is offering. and what's really bad about this, if you are going to swallow that, they are really, truly suffering from mental ill health. the paradox here is that the greatest treatment for mental ill health is work. if

you have a job, you're much more likely to be happy and level and have some emotional resilience . have some emotional resilience. if you're out of work, you're more likely to be depressed. so this is a terrible vortex that we're getting ourselves into by paying we're getting ourselves into by paying too much in benefits. >> do you do you agree with that? so there's a few things i think rates of mental ill health have gone up for very real reasons. >> the housing crisis . i think >> the housing crisis. i think mobile phones have something to do with it. i think social isolation, we had far stronger communities 30, 40, 50 years ago. that's a very real difference where i do agree is i would say those are real triggers for this. and then not being in work, being further isolated, i think can exacerbate the problem. i feel that the millions of people who are in this situation, many of them have issues which obviously mean they cannot work. but it's almost like the best help they could get would be a state guarantee of job a job guarantee

you can't work a significant job, not some mickey mouse job. >> when you say you can't work, i mean to say that an individual literally cannot wear any kind of in the land. it cannot of work in the land. it cannot happen. i think that was a very small number of people, because sure, if someone's got, i don't know, just say a physical know, let's just say a physical disability psychosis or something they can't something like this, they can't be bricklayer whatever. but be a bricklayer or whatever. but the of work now is so the world of work now is so expansive, so broad, so diverse . expansive, so broad, so diverse. it's so remote as well. so you can work wherever. now for whatever, doing whatever. so i just find it quite difficult to believe that millions and millions of people can't do any form of work. >> i don't think that i mean, i don't think millions and millions of people, because of mental ill health can't work. what say is, though, what i would say is, though, they're being let down. and i feel that actually, than feel that actually, rather than politicians and people in the media, mean us. of media, i don't mean us. of course, you course, we're all wonderful. you know, i think we know, bashing them. i think we need moral and political need some moral and political leadership in country. leadership in this country. >> mean, just don't think >> i mean, i just don't think they bashed, they are being bashed, but i just don't. and i think you just

said was pulling a fast one. said it was pulling a fast one. no, but i'm and i will get all sorts of grief for, for that because you never hear that sort of language from politicians, even though they might it even though they might think it because have been backed because they have been backed into corner of all having to into a corner of all having to be, got to be very be, oh, we've got to be very concerned mental i concerned about mental health. i think become a terribly think it's become a terribly soft option to say, soft political option to say, oh, got a mental health oh, we've got a mental health crisis. i don't think we have. i think we've got a an application crisis. >> i can quickly say, i think housing and not having a well paid job are the two big triggers. and i think if we can sort those out, particularly housing, you know, the reason why i got depression was because my mum died, but it also had something to do with the fact that i moved 15 times in 15 years because rent kept on going up. a huge thing. up. but that is a huge thing. >> your mobile's point very, very has changed. very and it has changed. >> the internet is very but i'm going to say something and it's not at you because i don't not aimed at you because i don't know personal circumstances. >> be as as nasty as you want. >> i'm not going to be nasty. i respect you, but when say

respect you, but when you say i got depression because my mum died, your mum dies, assuming died, if your mum dies, assuming you on with your mum or you get on with your mum or whatever, yeah, you're going to be it's be absolutely devastate. it's going foundation out going to rip the foundation out of life and your heart and of your life and your heart and your soul. but that's not a medical issue. that's a normal emotion. wonder whether or emotion. and i wonder whether or not normal not we are medicalizing normal emotions. i basically lost emotions. so i basically lost over of about over a course of about five years, emotional resilience, years, any emotional resilience, which is one the sort of which is one of the sort of definitions depression, which is one of the sort of definitions depression , and definitions of depression, and that the thing that put me that was the thing that put me over edge. absolutely over the edge. you're absolutely right. life is full of trials and tribulations nasty stuff and tribulations and nasty stuff happens got to pick happens and you got to pick yourself and that isn't yourself up. and that isn't mental i agree with yourself up. and that isn't men'but i agree with yourself up. and that isn't men'but for i agree with yourself up. and that isn't men'but for me i agree with yourself up. and that isn't men'but for me whatgree with yourself up. and that isn't men'but for me what itae with yourself up. and that isn't men'but for me what it tookth yourself up. and that isn't men'but for me what it took was you, but for me what it took was a doctor giving me some a good doctor giving me some treatment for six months and i could help myself. and it was a game changer. >> and then i come along and i put you alongside, quentin on a downward commences all downward spiral commences all over again, look, anyway, let me know your thoughts on it. get in touch all the usual ways. after the break, i want to talk to you about what some might think is a very sensitive topic. whether or not should able to smack not you should be able to smack your child. should

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you until 7:00 tonight alongside me, quentin letts, the parliamentary sketchwriter for the daily mail. and aaron bastani, the co—founder of novara media. i could have carried that conversation on about health for such a about mental health for such a long we did actually the long time. we did actually the break. such an important break. it's such an important subject, it? for some subject, isn't it? but for some reasons, to move on reasons, i do need to move on because, now experts, child experts are saying that parents should be banned essentially from smacking children. from smacking their children. now, just to be clear, in england and northern ireland, it is legal to smack your child in certain situations, but it's not legal in the likes of scotland and wales. i'm going to cut straight to the chase . straight to the chase. >> child experts. that phrase annoys me. >> well, it was me that called them that i know, i know, i know, but they call themselves that as well. >> to me. »- >> to me. >> child experts also include parents grandparents and, i parents and grandparents and, i

don't politicians and don't like politicians and lawyers and the cops getting involved in this. i mean, obviously, if there's grievous bodily harm going on. okay, let the let the police get involved. but if it's to do with a child being given a smack on the bottom after it's been naughty or after it's behaved dangerously to itself, or after it's behaved dangerously to itself , then dangerously to itself, then i think the parents are completely within their rights. and in fact have a duty to admonish the child in a in a way that the child in a in a way that the child is going to remember. i had, i've got three children and, a little boy at one point he had a he was he had some problems and, and the door was open. we lived in london at that time and he ran towards the street, and i grabbed him. i got him and i smacked his bottom and did he shock him? it shocked him. and but partly i confess, i smacked him because i myself was, cross of myself for having left. somebody left the door open, i can't remember, but also i was scared that he'd almost

killed himself by running into the but he never did it the traffic. but he never did it again. and therefore, i think there have to be times when you can a child think , yikes, can make a child think, yikes, i better not do that again, aaron. >> you know , i was i was smacked >> you know, i was i was smacked black and blue by my mother, and my dad did it once in my entire life, and it had far more impact when my dad did it precisely because he didn't resort to physical violence, it's really physical violence, it's a really tough what would say is, tough one. what i would say is, if people in child protection say their job easier if say it makes their job easier if you criminalise it because it means they can stop these awful stories, which we sometimes talk about from happening . yeah. then about from happening. yeah. then i think there's a very strong case for it . and of course, case for it. and of course, people will say, well, there'll be people like your father out, and he just smacked you once. is that end of the world? most that the end of the world? most people who resort to smacking their don't just do their child don't just do it once, want common once, and so you want common sense once, and so you want common sense used, can sense to be used, but i can understand why somebody in child protection look, we protection would say, look, we need line to make the need a red line here to make the enforcement of child protection that bit easier. i can

understand that bit easier. i can uncandand that bit easier. i can uncand the line is the phrase >> and the line is the phrase is, reasonable punishment. so that's what they would say when you enable , when you're allowed you enable, when you're allowed actually to them. but one actually to smack them. but one person's that's what person's death, that's what we're to do at the we're allowed to do at the moment isn't it. in moment isn't it. yeah. in england. yeah. england and england. yeah. in england and northern ireland, but not in scotland wales. scotland scotland or wales. in scotland or you're allowed to or wales, you're not allowed to smack child at all. smack the child at all. >> now there is this push >> and now there is this push for it to the child experts that we're talking about earlier want it be made more. we want it to be made more. we want england to be more like scotland. >> yeah. and i just what do you think. oh, george, you're a harsh a harsh fella, george. you say no, man. bannon's the smacking of children. it should be made compulsory . discipline, be made compulsory. discipline, seems to have been lost from society. i think. is your message there, george? richard says , no, a firm tap, but not says, no, a firm tap, but not a smack is often necessary. just to emphasise a spoken word, david says yes. if your child is behaving badly is a last resort ,

behaving badly is a last resort, you should smack your child. it's called discipline. henry says if you feel ever that you want to smack your child, then you are doing something very, very wrong. that's right. interesting, interesting. well let me know your thoughts on that. and by the way, many of you were writing in saying that i'm very flippant on the subject of mental health. i assure you, anyone that knows anything about my i've suffered anyone that knows anything about my mental i've suffered anyone that knows anything about my mental i'veissues�*ed with mental health issues massively. wish on massively. i wouldn't wish it on anybody . so am far from anybody. so i am far from flippant, i can assure you, but anyway , we can perhaps have that anyway, we can perhaps have that expanded another expanded conversation another day, aaron, thank day, but for now, aaron, thank you very much for your company, quentin thank you for quentin letts. thank you for yours all of you. i've yours too, and all of you. i've appreciated your company. thank yours too, and all of you. i've appivery:ed your company. thank yours too, and all of you. i've appivery much. r company. thank yours too, and all of you. i've appivery much. butmpany. thank yours too, and all of you. i've appivery much. but don't(. thank yours too, and all of you. i've appivery much. but don't go hank you very much. but don't go anywhere. farage up anywhere. nigel farage is up next. nanites >> outlook with boxt >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. news. news. >> time for your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. good evening. temperatures dropping away

tonight. it's going to be a cold start tomorrow. much of the south will stay fine, but further north some rain and cloud moving to this cloud moving in thanks to this little of low pressure little area of low pressure that's south. of that's drifting south. ahead of that, couple of that, we've had a couple of weather fronts bringing some that, we've had a couple of weattoday,�*nts bringing some that, we've had a couple of weattoday, particularlyi some that, we've had a couple of weattoday, particularly forme rain today, particularly for northern now northern ireland that's now spreading south across parts of pembrokeshire, devon and cornwall. through cornwall. but clearing through this further showers this evening. further showers across england , they'll across eastern england, they'll steadily fade as well. and where we've got the clear skies, southern scotland and northwest england. blue on england. wales a hint of blue on the chart suggesting there will be a frost. certainly in the countryside. towns and countryside. most towns and cities just about above cities just about staying above freezing, certainly a chilly freezing, but certainly a chilly start to thursday for many a bright sunny start. there could be some showers early on across kent. should fade, but rain kent. they should fade, but rain will creep into the highlands of scotland. the western isles first thing, and that'll spread across of scotland by across most of scotland by lunchtime. of the north lunchtime. parts of the north and east of northern ireland seeing some rain and through the afternoon, damp over afternoon, turning damp over northern north northern england and north wales. the south wales. but much of the south will stay and bright. we will stay dry and bright. we could 15 in

could reach 15 in london. a brighter day across east anglia, cooler further north, with the winds brisk winds picking up and those brisk winds picking up and those brisk winds of the winds then a feature of the weather friday as well. weather on friday as well. friday. speaking, friday. broadly speaking, a mixture sunshine showers , mixture of sunshine and showers, a duller day across the southeast and a much wetter day across east anglia compared to tomorrow. chilly again tomorrow. feeling chilly again with that winds much of northern ireland having drier ireland scotland having a drier day but still on the fresh side. >> 8 to 14 degrees looks like things are heating up . boxt things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> day two of the natcon conference in brussels. did happen. yes. a big ruling in the belgian courts overnight. and a huge victory, i think, for free speech. rwanda ping pong continues to go on between the

commons and the house of lords. tonight is the night that the lords are supposed to fold. but what if they don't? what would that mean for the government's legislation ? and the enough is legislation? and the enough is enough march victims of financial crime and fraud meet together in london march and basically say, look, there are people who are victims here who are being treated by hmrc as if they were criminals. all of that and much more after the news with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thanks very much indeed and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight, as you've been hearing, piers have been urged to stop opposing the government's rwanda bill after mps again rejected demands for change from the house of lords. it is in the upper chamber right now. if you're watching on television, you can see, the peers discussing that right now,

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