schools scotland primary schools in scotland that's children as young as four and apparently signing and five, apparently signing up to lgbt charter which to an lgbt charter which requires a school among requires a school to, among other things, have gender neutral survey their neutral toilets, survey their pupils sexuality and pupils about their sexuality and celebrate national coming out day and more. i remind you, these kids are as young as four and five years old. what on earth is going on and get this, a survey says that just 40% of us trust the police . are you one us trust the police. are you one of those people? if not, why not? why do you not trust them? and calls to modern day slavery helplines are through roof. helplines are through the roof. how earth do we fix this how on earth do we fix this issue? yes, indeed. that's all to come in this next hour. but before we get stuck in, let's cross alive to tonight's 6:00 news headlines . news headlines. >> good evening. the top story from the gb news room today, andrew malkinson, who 20 years

ago was wrongly jailed for rape, has rejected the criminal cases review commission's unreserved apology for him, saying it's been too little, too late. 57 year old andrew malkinson was found guilty of raping a woman in manchester in 2003, and a year later he was jailed for life . he could have been life. he could have been released after six years if he'd given a false confession, something he was never prepared to do, instead always protesting his innocence. his conviction was overturned after fresh dna evidence linked the crime to another man. mr malkinson appued another man. mr malkinson applied for his case to be referred to the court of appeal was blocked by the review board twice. the lord chancellor has called his case an atrocious miscarriage of justice, as the uk and the united states have today announced new sanctions on a number of iranian individuals in response to iran's drone and missile attack on israel at the weekend. lord cameron has been meeting with g7 leaders in italy today. he says the action demonstrate it's the uk's

unequivocal condemnation of iran's attack on a sovereign state, he said, not only was iran's reckless attack a total failure , but they've revealed to failure, but they've revealed to the world their nature as a malign influence. britain is also freezing the assets of some iranian organisations, including the country's navy and chief of staff in the army, it adds to the more than 400 sanctions already imposed on iranian assets. already imposed on iranian assets . former scottish national assets. former scottish national party chief executive and husband of ex first minister nicola sturgeon, peter murrell , nicola sturgeon, peter murrell, has been arrested again over the party's finances. has been arrested again over the party's finances . the 59 year party's finances. the 59 year old was previously arrested and released without charge last april. he was taken into custody this morning and is being questioned by police scotland . questioned by police scotland. mr morrell resigned as the party's chief executive last march and the scottish government has scrapped its interim target, aimed at reducing the country's carbon

emissions by 75% by 2030. the minister for net zero said while the original target is admittedly unattainable now, a revised package of climate action measures will deliver scotland's transition to net zero at a pace that is feasible. greenpeace though, have gone on record on twitter or x this afternoon saying the scottish government's decision to scrap their climate target is embarrassing and infuriating . embarrassing and infuriating. but the first minister, humza yousaf, told the scottish parliament the overall net zero goal by 2045 will not budge. >> climate change committee were always clear with us that the 2030 target was the stretch target. that was clear to all of us when we all committed, when we all backed that target in the first place. but what doesn't change and what will not change is that end destination of 2045. >> sir keir starmer says the rwanda scheme is just a gimmick and a waste of taxpayers money. after the latest blow to the

government's flagship bill in the house of lords last night, the house of lords last night, the labour leader's comments came as downing street declined to recommit to the prime minister's spring deadline to get deportation flights off the ground. it's understood number 10 will giving more detail 10 will be giving more detail about timing of those about the timing of those flights the legislation has flights once the legislation has passed successfully through parliament, mps will now consider the lords amendments to the bill, but the government has indicated it won't be making any concessions . labour is calling concessions. labour is calling for police to investigate allegations that a conservative mp misused thousands of pounds of tory party campaign funds . of tory party campaign funds. the times reports that mark menzies used political donations to cover medical expenses and pay to cover medical expenses and pay off what he called bad people, who he says locked him in a room and demanded a ransom. he denies any wrongdoing but has agreed to give up the conservative whip. the labour leader, sir keir starmer , says leader, sir keir starmer, says the scandal is another reason the scandal is another reason the country needs change.

>> and i'll be honest, there's a degree of frustration as well. we're two weeks away from really important local and mayoral elections when, you know there's a lot of positive arguments that we want to make about the change we want to make about the change we can bring about in these elections and yet again, we're talking about misbehaviour by tory mps. and if ever you needed evidence of why we need to turn the page on the shower and, and have a fresh start with labour, i think it's in these allegations coming out today, sir keir starmer and team gb has unveiled its brand new olympic kit ahead of the paris games this summer. >> the kit features the classic red, white and blue british colours and adidas, who've produced the clothing, said the aim was to create a design that celebrates the unique aspects of great britain, whilst also encapsulating the passion of each and every athlete . that's each and every athlete. that's the news. for the latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts. scan that qr code on your screen right now or go to

gb news .com/ alerts . gb news .com/ alerts. >> thanks very much for that. poly. i'm michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside with my panel of former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, broadcast mackenzie, and the broadcast journalist de silva. good journalist greta de silva. good evening both i think evening to both of you. i think it's quite cute today. everybody, look, they've accidentally in accidentally come dressed in matching colours lol. look at this orange. they've got orange and navy. i don't know what's going on, among these two, it's not for me to speculate, but i think it's quite cute. i quite like it. look at that, look at that. i know, very sweet judy, i was thinking, i wish that i definitely was something else right now. and she. i like it. a little splash of colour, anyway, what's on your mind tonight? you can get in touch with me all the usual ways you can email me, you can tweet me, you get on usual ways you can email me, you can website, e, you get on usual ways you can email me, you can website, gbnews.com/yoursay, our website, gbnews.com/yoursay, and join the and you can join the conversation there. we'll be bringing you into the conversation as we go on. worry

not. but today , another day and not. but today, another day and another tory sleaze scandal. this time we've just been heanng this time we've just been hearing about it. actually, in the headlines. mark menzies there he is, the mp for flied. he's lost the whip now. i think he's voluntarily , handed it he's voluntarily, handed it oven he's voluntarily, handed it over. it's not in scotland, by the way. i think when you hear that, constituency name, many people think it's scotland. it's not. it borders, actually blackpool south. you'll be familiar with that constituency, of course, because of, scott benton and the goings on there, anyway, this rishi sunak kelvin needs this , like a hole in the needs this, like a hole in the head. he must want to get hold of his party and give him the biggest shaking of their lives, because this is just not going to end well for him. >> no it's not. and of course, some of his colleagues, his senior colleagues, have known all about this since january. and i noticed that mr menzies is denying some of the allegations. however that won't stop the

local people of his town actually seeking to have him deselected. so i'm afraid his career has come to an end. and they have a 16,000 seat majority. the conservatives are massive blue area right ? that massive blue area right? that will disappear in a heartbeat because of this man's . well, i'm because of this man's. well, i'm not sure. let's look upon it in a generous way and say it's stupidity. but the other people who are in the firing line must be the conservative leadership. why is it they had to leave it to the times to carry out a detailed investigation today ? detailed investigation today? say right. otherwise the local people would have known nothing at all about what this man has been getting up to, or actually how much money that they put forward for the mr menzies, campaign election campaign was being used to pay somebody to free him from a flat in london, 300 miles away. how would you feel about that if that was your money? >> well, are you one of his

constituents? what do you make to it all? i've got to say again, he does actually deny this. and you say, actually that this. and you say, actually that this could, hurt him. you might be familiar the fact that i be familiar with the fact that i think it was back in 2014. was it was actually engulfed in it he was actually engulfed in another scandal. was it 2014? yes it was. i was just checking my i was checking my notes because it actually feels like much longer ago than that, i think i can bring up some of the headunes think i can bring up some of the headlines relating to that there. he had to quit his ministerial role, this is in relation to what that tabloid there calling drugs there is calling a drugs and rent let me rent boy scandal. but let me tell right. that was in tell you. right. that was in 2014. he was then re—elected in 2015 with a 13,000 majority, re—elected in 2017 with a 12,000 majority and re—elected in 2019 with a 16,000 majority. so maybe these scandals . no, no isn't these scandals. no, no isn't really no. >> this will see him out the doonl >> this will see him out the door. i mean, the atmosphere is completely different from 2019 where we all saw sunlit uplands approaching. right now it's over

for him. and actually he'd do everybody a very good favour if he just stood down. now, i know there are some arguments . there are some arguments. >> innocent like he's saying is, why would you stand down, well , why would you stand down, well, well, that seems i tell you what, that's a very good point . what, that's a very good point. why don't we see him come out publicly gb or somewhere publicly on gb news or somewhere else and answer the allegations published in the times today ? published in the times today? step step, did the phone call step by step, did the phone call take where was the flat? take place? where was the flat? why did he need £5,000? why was he prepared to take it out of, local party funds? there are a whole series of allegations which he needs to respond to rather than the general. >> you're very welcome if you are watching this , you're very are watching this, you're very welcome to come on this program and answer questions. and answer those questions. according to you meant to according to what you meant to all, i just think that it's indicative of entire indicative of an entire administration that's rotten from because since from the top down because since the the cataclysmic the wake of the cataclysmic demise from grace boris demise from grace of boris johnson, it seems to be scandal after scandal, and is no after scandal, and there is no limit to what rank it reaches within the tories . and going within the tories. and going into an election, they must have

to ask themselves that if you've lost trust of public, lost the trust of the public, the respect the public and the respect of the public and the respect of the public and the that you are competent the proof that you are competent at the positions you hold to be effective as government, what effective as a government, what is of view? so it's is the point of view? so it's a party needs to really party that needs to really fundamentally house in fundamentally clean house in order forward. whether order to go forward. whether it's in leadership or not. it's in in leadership or not. >> this isn't unique just to >> but this isn't unique just to the tories. i mean, of course they are the ones in power now. but i remember the washing machine keith vaz , for machine salesman, keith vaz, for example. this is not just example. so this is not just something that happens to this one particular party. there's something on, perhaps more something going on, perhaps more broadly among politicians as and i don't know what it is i was trying to be kind to today, to everyone, and i was thinking, is it something to do with the strange working setup? you know, these guys are often hundreds of miles away their families miles away from their families and homes. they're working and their homes. they're working all the hours god sends. they've got all of these in their got all of these bars in their place of work within parliament. is there something the way that they're working? >> you know, there's that saying, absolute power corrupts

absolutely. there is that intoxication with intoxication that comes with power that gives you the perception that you are beyond accountability, because there's always a myriad of people whose job it is to protect you. having achieved that power , because you achieved that power, because you become an asset and as an asset you're beneficial to a lot of people, particularly when you have the tories in power. and so you have a situation where you have otherwise might have people that otherwise might not things, but have not do immoral things, but have been cultivated and nurtured to believe that if you do, we will help you clean it up, as long as you carry on and toe the party line. so what you now have to address is the mentality of the people work within your people that work within your party to think that is party to think that there is accountability . and just because accountability. and just because you position of power, you occupy a position of power, you're devoid of having to you're not devoid of having to be having to that. be having to face that. >> indeed , one of my audience, >> indeed, one of my audience, peter, says the sickness in parliament always been parliament has always been there, he says, but now it's simply that the light is shining on it, philip says, what on earth is going on? the people are to be setting the are supposed to be setting the standards us mortals to

standards for us mere mortals to follow. gone dogs. follow. have gone to the dogs. and speaking about accountability , the whole rayner accountability, the whole rayner thing, angela rayner thing that's away any time that's not going away any time soon. and i thought it was quite interesting that keir starmer and people have said that and other people have said that this all classism. people are this is all classism. people are criticising and digging criticising angela and digging into you know, dealings into her, you know, dealings because she's working class. do you believe that? >> no, only do i not >> no, not not only do i not believe that had the reverse been true , had she been from the been true, had she been from the from, say, a wealthy class and had gone to some rather exotic private school and got a fantastic degree at oxford or cambridge or something like that. and she had been fiddling her allegedly, allegedly . let's, her allegedly, allegedly. let's, let's get that in had been mixing up , let's get that in had been mixing up, getting single council tax allowance when she had a member of the family staying there, which is the essential criminal element to this, the row would have been even bigger than it is now. at the moment, at the moment, she's the moment, at the moment, she's the person in the barrel. let me

guarantee to you, i'm. i know that i'm somewhat older than both of you. in fact, both of you put together, i'll just about say, put together by. i guarantee to you that any period of time of anybody in power, they are guaranteed . so i agree they are guaranteed. so i agree with you totally on this. they're guaranteed to be up to their necks in god knows what. with the tories it's always sex and with labour it's always money, let's just look at, keir starmer today before i come back to judy to listen to what he was saying this. saying on this. >> got a billionaire prime >> we've got a billionaire prime minister and a billionaire promised both, both of whose families have used schemes to avoid millions of pounds of tax smearing. a working class woman . smearing. a working class woman. >> what you meant to that? >> what you meant to that? >> i mean, it's obviously he's using very charged vocabulary to get a reaction, but the fundamentals of the arguments do hold water, because when you look at the degree of transgression , let's say it's transgression, let's say it's alleged now, but let's say in

worst case scenario , she's guilty. >> it's so marginal the error that she has made by comparison to what the tories are having to deal with the zeal with which they are attacking her, you have to say it isn't measurable by comparison and it's obviously because it's kind of diversion tactics. there is so much mess within their own party. any slight thing that goes wrong, divert attention towards it, shine the light as bright as you can on it, and then people don't focus on the problems you have at home. >> i don't think it's that. >> i don't think it's that. >> i don't think it's that. >> i think it's actually your report. you, sir, and our, our kind of political spectrum and the focus, it's become so ridiculous. so low level, so low rent. anyone that remembers the ridiculous obsession about things like did boris johnson eat a slice of cake during that work ? meeting people lost their work? meeting people lost their marbles over it. they were obsessed with each tiny little detail. and when you work at that level, when you try and bnng that level, when you try and bring it down to such a low, i would argue quite stupid level,

really . then you can't start really. then you can't start crying when that visits you in return. >> but i think the difference in thatis >> but i think the difference in that is how quick she has been to step up and say, if i am proven to have done something wrong, i will step down. what people found the biggest problem was with boris johnson is the point made his point you made before his feeling was above feeling that he was above accountability. every time people a question and people asked him a question and was we'll wait for sue greys report. fact is there are report. the fact is there are things that have been done wrong and refuse to them and you refuse to face them or even should i proven even say that should i be proven wrong? have been wrong? or should i have been said have done something said to have done something wrong, i will step he wrong, i will step down. he always behaved it. he was always behaved like it. he was made of teflon and that really exacerbated problem that exacerbated a problem that otherwise have been dealt otherwise might have been dealt with yeah, but with quite quickly. yeah, but if my right, my memory serves me right, which i does, i'm angela i think it does, i'm sure angela rayner about boris rayner tweeted, about boris johnson he's under johnson and said, he's under under police investigation. >> he should go. and she tweeted that when he was under investigation . and this is what investigation. and this is what i mean, if you call for someone to go just for being investigated for something, no, no resolution to that

investigation, they could be innocent or guilty. who knows? but if you're calling for a resignation at that then resignation at that point, then it's bit of a double standard it's a bit of a double standard when you don't think you yourself should resign at that point investigation to point of investigation to an extent. point of investigation to an ext> but i think his was it was such a protracted period and it was compounded by accusation after accusation, on after accusation, piling on top of one another with a complete perception he was he perception that he was he refused to take accountability for any of it. that's what drives you to a point of frustration, where you then say that this is a guy that should just go. so indeed, she's being burned own wick. but then burned by her own wick. but then the same, it's what said at the same, it's what she said at the same, it's what she said at the did hold water based on the time did hold water based on how far boris johnson had pushed it. >> well, there you go. what do you of darren has you make of it all, darren has been touch saying michelle been in touch saying michelle mark is my mum's mp, he mark menzies is my mum's mp, he says you could put blu rosette says you could put a blu rosette on pretty much anything. anyone in this constituency . and a in this constituency. and a large percentage of people will still vote tory, do you agree with that? are you also in that constituency ? is that still the constituency? is that still the case now, though, because things

have changed, haven't they? quite a lot since 2019, someone else says, thank you for bringing up keith vaz. many people , actually seem to forget people, actually seem to forget about those things. we need decent mps. we do have. we got any? is there any mps among them that actually you think are actually pretty damn good at what they do? get in touch and let know your thoughts on let me know your thoughts on that. let me know your thoughts on that . there's want to that. there's lots i want to talk you about after the talk to you about after the break. i want to ask you, why on earth do primary schools apparently signing up apparently need to be signing up to lgbt charter that's kids to an lgbt charter that's kids of five and six? what on earth are we doing discussing things like sexuality, young like sexuality, etc. with young children that age? i worry it's a little bit of indoctrination going on. we'll look at that story and more

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sun. kelvin mackenzie and the broadcast journalist auditore da silva . all of my viewers have silva. all of my viewers have got in touch saying, how can labour criticise things like investigations when we still don't really what on earth don't really know what on earth has on with nick brown? has gone on with nick brown? i've about brown i've asked about nick brown many, many , i've asked about nick brown many, many, many, many, many times. telling trying times. i'm telling you, trying to answer as to what is to get an answer as to what is going on there is absolutely, incredibly difficult, richard says. you're going to talk about scotland in a minute. he says, i love scotland. i've had some great holidays, but politically, he says his words, it's gone doolally , that's one of my doolally, that's one of my viewers on the website there. and i can tell you there's a lot going on in scotland today. not least, of course, you've seen nicola sturgeon's husband get rearrested and you've seen one of their key net zero targets being dropped, i'll come on to those things . but one of the those things. but one of the things that kind of stopped me in my tracks today is this revelation. it's been released by telegraph , actually. and by the telegraph, actually. and what they suggesting is that there this charity, lgbt there is this charity, lgbt youth scotland , and it's called

youth scotland, and it's called and what they're apparently doing is schools as primary schools in some cases apparently have been signing up to their lgbt charter . now, have been signing up to their lgbt charter. now, i'll tell you just some of the things, it costs between £850 in £2,000 to sign up for this , what you do, sign up for this, what you do, there's all these different stages that you can reach if you want to get to gold status , want to get to gold status, you've got to do things like appoint at least two pupils and two staff members as lgbt champions. remember that these pupils, of course, are as young as four, they're talking about you need to have , unisex you need to have, unisex toilets, basically, like gender neutral toilets. they urge these people on these schemes, these schools, on these schemes to celebrate national coming out day, transgender day of visibility. and i find this really quite concerning, what they're suggesting as well is that schools policies should be rewritten, in areas such as

transgender inclusion and so on and so forth. they celebrate that. they say that they are changing the culture and the ethos of scottish schools . as ethos of scottish schools. as i get very concerned about this as a as a mom to a young boy that imminently will be starting primary school, i don't believe kelvin , that, adult sexual kelvin, that, adult sexual issues have got any place being taught to four year, five year old children. what do you think, well, you know, clearly i don't ehhen well, you know, clearly i don't either. and why the why the children can't be allowed to just do painting and generally and generally learn about the first steps in life without having some of the more serious issues thrust at them, when which are going to come at them, you know, probably within the next by the by the time they're in, into their teens is beyond me. the other thing is, of course, with these charities, of course, with these charities, of course, publicity is good for them. publicity does two things. it them some kind of it gives them some kind of credence when no matter how

crackpot they might be, and it also almost certainly brings them money. and within scotland right now, it's so much a kind of foreign country now, which is what to do. that that, what they want to do. that that, that they, that they, they quite enjoy introducing these kinds of ideas which they know are likely to aggravate the paymaster , to aggravate the paymaster, which is the english taxpayer. >> well, no, actually, because , >> well, no, actually, because, this particular one in scotland, they've received, almost half £1 million in taxpayer funding from the snp government, a further 340 k from local authorities and nhs organisations have apparently handed over another £154,000. judita what do you make to all this? >> i think what's kind of happening is, in a weird way, i can understand, and i see the righteousness and validity of the motivation behind it, but the motivation behind it, but the execution is flawed because what you're what you have is adults who have lived an experience where they dealt with so much, where they felt they

were othered, whether it was in school or in university or at work. and they're thinking, how could have been better? could my life have been better? and by putting things and thinking by putting things in to make other in place to make other potentially lgbtqia+ children have a better life. they've done something good they've created. they've left a better legacy. that's a righteous thing. but the execution is poor because, like you've said, and i agree, children shouldn't be politicised and shouldn't be sexualised. a four year old should not be thinking about who they paint with they fancy, just paint with potatoes leave it at that. potatoes and leave it at that. but you have to think that but then you have to think that there are ways to institute an educational environment where a child going to school knows that sometimes lucy might have a dad and a dad, or a mum and a mum, or if one day i look at a boy and i'm a boy and i really want to ask them to the school dance, that's okay. i shouldn't feel weird. so that's why i say i understand the motivation. >> talk about two >> well, let's talk about two seconds explain that families seconds to explain that families are different. some people have two two dads, people two mums, two dads, some people don't a mum, some people

don't have a mum, some people don't have a mum, some people don't have a dad. i don't know some by some people have brought up by their grandparents because their parents away. parents have passed away. whatever. in whatever. families come in different and sizes that different shapes and sizes that took you two took me and you about two minutes to explain. we don't need be spending thousands of need to be spending thousands of pounds these very pounds to sign up to these very odd. me personally, think odd. to me personally, i think there's something sinister in this organisation or this that this organisation or organisations plural, because there's doing there's loads of people doing this. organisations are this. the organisations are charging to be part of charging schools to be part of this odd league table about who's trying to outdo who when it comes to who is more trans inclusive with the kids than the next person, there's something makes me uneasy about this. >> supposing a child, supposing a child comes home and says, you know, you know, you think, oh, i've, i've done well today . and i've, i've done well today. and he said, well, have you done this? well were you i was number one painter or i was number one reader. no, i wasn't, i was made lgbt champion. you know, this is a four and five year old look, i can understand this actually, as we develop into into the secondary school , we develop into into the secondary school, i can understand more debates taking place. i cannot understand why

we have to thrust it at young children . and i think if you ask children. and i think if you ask the parents, they'd be hostile to it. and what about the role the teacher has to play in all this? and then at the same time, they're supposed to spend money changing all the lavatories? yes. and all this why you have . yes. and all this why you have. isn't bizarre? isn't it bizarre? >> what now is that in >> what you have now is that in society has been one way. the pendulum is swinging the other way, they're pushing it very pendulum is swinging the other wajin they're pushing it very pendulum is swinging the other wajin order re pushing it very pendulum is swinging the other wajin order to pushing it very pendulum is swinging the other wajin order to kinding it very pendulum is swinging the other wajin order to kind of it very far in in order to kind of proliferate, change. and, and this is probably the toughest penod this is probably the toughest period in that evolutionary process, because the lgbtq+ community is seeing that you've got rage against the got to really rage against the machine people to listen, machine to get people to listen, because it like this now, because put it like this now, even conversation, even this conversation, the whole the whole country is listening, the whole country is listening, the whole listening. these whole world is listening. these are kinds of eyeballs and are the kinds of eyeballs and ears they haven't had before. and to be and there's going to be friction. a friction. there's going to be a locking heads the process locking of heads in the process to getting to a point where you establish equilibrium, establish a new equilibrium, where they feel more incorporated. >> can i just ask question? >> can i just ask a question? perhaps the answer to perhaps you know the answer to this. there the

this. are there members of the gay community? all the gay community? are all the members of the gay community? are in favour this, or are they in favour of this, or is something that's is this something that's a crackpot charity that can do well in scotland? but can't do anywhere? suspect anywhere anywhere? i suspect anywhere else demand from else where is the demand from the the gay community for the from the gay community for this of indoctrination or this kind of indoctrination or the discussion to take the or this discussion to take place? is where i like it. place? this is where i like it. >> good. that's why that's a very point. because one one very good point. because one one thing going to say is that thing i was going to say is that what people always have to bear in is in lot of minority in mind is in a lot of minority groups, the people who shout loudest most extreme. loudest are the most extreme. the people tend to agree the people who tend to agree with thinking and with pragmatic thinking and gently want to get gently does it just want to get on with their lives. know on with their lives. i know a lot of in my day to day life and the work i've done over the years, trans people, gay people, lesbians who've said that i'm not to get on social media not going to get on social media and at the moon. i don't and howl at the moon. i don't agree i've been agree with this, but i've been through trying get to through so much trying to get to a where i'm happy in my a point where i'm happy in my life. i'm going to invite life. i'm not going to invite more stress into it. i just want to get on with it. so that's why i said that it's going to take time where the militant voices

will eventually be harsh because with, said, big with, like i've said, the big the greatest of allies the greatest force of allies that the lgbtq+ community has always had is heterosexual women. moving women. what you're moving towards doing things that towards now is doing things that is beginning to turn them from allies into people who feel that, oh, for you to thrive , i'm that, oh, for you to thrive, i'm being deprived. and that's a problem. when they realise you're alienating allies, they will understand. you've got to recalibrate to have that kind of understanding between both parties. >> you say that everybody is listening. >> my child won't be listening because if my child was in a school and then there was deciding aged five, we're deciding aged four, five, we're going this , trans, you going to have this, trans, you know, identification day or whatever they call it. i wouldn't want my child in that lesson. because for me, i think that you're trying to deliberately plant seeds of confusion into the minds of very young , confusion into the minds of very young, already confusion into the minds of very young , already confused young, already confused children. my kid half the time thinks is a t—rex. i mean, this is a level of age groups that we're talking about. and i think that when you start trying to deliberately confuse these

children, there's something not quite right about that. >> i mean, they're deliberately trying to confuse them. again, i think it's what's happening is their own trauma is fuelling the motivation for them to try to help, or they're helping in the wrong way because you're bringing, like they said, the politics exists within adults and you're trying to resolve it through what about the public money involved? >> so the nhs, i'm told, are skint, they're jumping in, i'm told councils are told the local councils are skint, they're contributing, you know, government which by know, the government which by the we know yousef the way we know the yousef government because government scheme because basically fund it or government scheme because bas british fund it or government scheme because bas british taxpayer fund it or government scheme because bas british taxpayer ,fund it or government scheme because bas british taxpayer , mainly )r government scheme because bas british taxpayer , mainly the the british taxpayer, mainly the engush the british taxpayer, mainly the english have to fund it. so this costs genuine amounts of money. who decided? yeah, i tell you what, this is what we're going to do. we're going to we're going to talk about these sensitive issues to four year olds, and we're going to make them of the gay them champions of the gay community something. community or something. it is honestly it quite wrong. honestly, it is quite wrong. there's lot that you can do there's a lot that you can do with money that to educate with money like that to educate your children better. i don't think is good idea, but

think this is a good idea, but that's why i think what's what's going particularly, going to happen is particularly, like like yourself. >> will happen i don't >> what will happen is i don't want child in that lesson, want my child in that lesson, you'll parents pulling you'll find parents pulling their schools. then their kids out of schools. then those institutions will have their to really their hand forced to really think how well you do. think about how well you do. >> what the muslim >> what about the muslim community? i presume >> what about the muslim comitheyty? i presume >> what about the muslim comithey would i presume >> what about the muslim comithey would simply me >> what about the muslim comithey would simply say, that they would just simply say, thanks get up and thanks very much, get up and take out and i tell you take them out and i tell you what, all communities will feel like why is it the scots like this. why is it the scots don't rise up against this? why don't rise up against this? why do it's a good do they say, oh, it's a good idea, local councillor idea, my local councillor contributing my contributing this good idea. my government good government are contributing good idea. they idea. the nhs contributory. they don't anything. these things don't say anything. these things just happen. it's a just seem to happen. it's a scotland is becoming very, scotland is becoming a very, very old place. >> there be a shake up to >> there has to be a shake up to force that change. that's what i'm saying. like look throughout history about every change in evolution in society that has come. been the come. there has been the flashpoint. we're living flashpoint. what we're living through real time is the through in real time is the flashpoints this issue. and flashpoints on this issue. and over will evolve over time, it will evolve to find settling ground . but find a settling ground. but things like this have to happen to up system, to have to shake up the system, to have this conversation. because otherwise, they weren't otherwise, if they weren't yelling in a way yelling and yelling in a way that forced us talk about it,

that forced us to talk about it, we would not about it. we would not talk about it. >> well, i've got to say, credit where is due, because there where it is due, because there does to be a very tiny does seem to be a very tiny glimmer of common sense prevailing. and perhaps it comes off back of this cas report off the back of this cas report because over in they because over in scotland they have announced, actually they're going the, what going to be pausing, the, what do you call it, the dougie beattie block. yeah. but what do you call it? what are the, prescribing? that's the word, when to prescribe when they're trying to prescribe these with puberty these children with puberty blockers they're blockers now. so they're going to pausing in scotland. to be pausing that in scotland. you've seen that. you've already seen that. they're pausing it in england. i celebrate this enormously because pumping because i think pumping a child's mind full of this notion that if you're unhappy , the kind that if you're unhappy, the kind of elixir to fixing all of your problems is to try and externally modify you to look like a boy or vice versa. i think it's such a delusion. i think it's such a delusion. i think it's such a delusion. i think it's dangerous, i think it's untrue, and i think it has lasting medical impacts on those children. i don't think it should ever have been a thing in the first place. so i celebrate the first place. so i celebrate the fact it's been paused to, you know, look, i, i do, of

course , the puberty blockers course, the puberty blockers actually do start at 18 now. >> so actually they stopped they i think i'm not sure. i think it was the 15 or 16 year olds they stopped today. the clinic in scotland refused, as did other clinics to hand over the data which showed what was the effect and what those children were like before they went in, and whether they should have ever have been granted any drunk. so any time we've got this stop and that lady should who, who came up with the report? >> hilary cass, doctor hilary said basically said that actually that there weren't enough there wasn't enough data to hand out any kind of drugs and make any of assessment and make any kind of assessment of these children. >> and so fantastic for her. and ihope >> and so fantastic for her. and i hope one day she gets some fantastic award for doing all this, i think. but on the, on the, on the, on the puberty blocker, this was, this was quite wrong. but you know, there will be opportunities for people to contest this . but this was to contest this. but this was probably one of the best

reports, medical reports that there has been. >> well, what i would say is that before everyone becomes very the shock very reactionary, to the shock of this actually being done and whether whether why it was done in the first place and now being halted is always ask what led to it. >> because when you speak to trans people, what they'll say is that what you're dealing with, particularly in one a particular demographic the particular demographic of the trans community, who have trans community, is men who have transitioned become women transitioned to become women part of the thing they have to deal with a lot of apprehension , deal with a lot of apprehension, a lot of fear. so when you go out being identified to have been a man because you don't have the look, you're not passable as a woman and what they'll say is that if only i transitioned sooner, all of those masculine attributes wouldn't to wouldn't have changed me to a point where i can't reverse it, no matter how much surgery, no matter how transitioning. matter how much transitioning. so they're thinking, if i'd started that's started sooner. so again, that's where problem you're where the problem lies. you're resolving adult problem resolving an adult problem through children, and you shouldn't be. but understand the motivation and those are the people you should be talking to. that the end the day, it's

that at the end of the day, it's medically proven. the prefrontal cortex doesn't develop completely you're 25. they completely until you're 25. they cannot understand the gravity of a decision like when you a decision like this when you are child. so unfortunately, are a child. so unfortunately, there some things there are some things that although want cannot although you want it, you cannot have because decision to have because the decision to that decision to be made should only made adult. but only be made by an adult. but you appreciate that what you do appreciate that what they're trying to do prevent they're trying to do is prevent a later trauma in life by giving those children the those trans children the opportunity to not have to go through them. >> don't want anyone to >> i don't want anyone to experience trauma, and don't experience trauma, and i don't doubt there's a lot of doubt that there's a lot of children genuinely think children that genuinely think that they're the opposite sex. so i'm not doubting that trauma, but i don't think that the way that you avoid trauma is by that you avoid that trauma is by indulging delusion. i think indulging the delusion. i think the do is work the kind thing to do is to work with child, tell them with that child, to tell them the that if you're the truth, that if you're a biological male, you can't become a biological female. you just fact of life. you just it's a fact of life. you might not like it. you might cause you heartache , but it's cause you heartache, but it's true. then you with that true. so then you work with that child, diminish their child, not to diminish their feelings, believe that feelings, because i believe that those sure that those feelings, i'm sure that they have them. i'm sure that they're real, i'm sure that

they're real, and i'm sure that they're real, and i'm sure that they're them and really they're hurting them and really upsetting family all the upsetting the family and all the rest because be rest of it, because it will be very your child to very traumatic for your child to be sad, but kind answer be that sad, but the kind answer to this surely, is to work with that child to help them become happy and actually who they are, rather selling them rather than selling them a delusion helping them to delusion and helping them to live you line, live well. you see the line, what other trauma? what about the other trauma? >> the trauma >> what about the trauma of those who going through those who are going through complicated change complicated worlds? they change and want to change and then they want to change back? that trauma? back? what about that trauma? >> say this is >> that's why i say this is good. it will help that. but again, language. but again, it's the language. but saying even word saying something, even a word like it's delusion, you like saying it's a delusion, you just have recognise that just have to recognise that there's sensitivity that there's a sensitivity that must be in the approach to all be used in the approach to all discourse the topic register that. >> there you what do you >> there you go. what do you think it all? in touch. think to it all? get in touch. all the usual ways after the break. do you trust the

hello there. i'm michelle dewberry varne. the former editor of the sun. kelvin

mackenzie and the broadcast journalist juditha da silva alongside me. i asked you a very simple question before the break. do you trust the police? i'm asking because apparently only in england only 40% of people in england say that they do trust the police . let me start with you. police. let me start with you. do you trust the police? yeah i do, yeah, i do all of them implicitly . implicitly. >> no, look, they are people, right ? and in >> no, look, they are people, right? and in many areas of life, even our leadership in parliament, right. there are some hopeless people . and when some hopeless people. and when you employ as many people as the met does, for instance, you're going to have more bad eggs than than normal. however, at the end of it all, and i have some knowledge just recently in my wider family of being involved in the police, in quite, quite a sensitive area. they were fantastic, unbuilt , lovably fantastic, unbuilt, lovably fantastic, unbuilt, lovably fantastic, intelligent, caring , fantastic, intelligent, caring, ing detailed. i couldn't, i wouldn't do it. so the problem

is that every so often something happens. is that every so often something happens . and when something happens. and when something happens. and when something happens because people are involved , tens of thousands of involved, tens of thousands of people actually are hired in the police force, hundreds of thousands. and so when that happens , then everybody gets the happens, then everybody gets the blame for it. and i find that i if i were a police officer, i don't know why i would continue to do it. and the one aspect is that that when something goes seriously wrong, it damages the authority of the ordinary police officer who says to a bunch of louts, oh, you lot clear off or, or i'm going to arrest you. and then they start giving him the most terrible gob load. and the police officer can do nothing about it. he or she just has to sit there and listen to this vile stuff. being being look at this clip that i'll play you. >> now, some of you might have already seen this clip because it went absolutely viral on social media, but look at what this group of kids did, with his police so long story short,

police car. so long story short, i'll so some copper i'll describe it, so some copper was chasing somebody and he jumps his car . was chasing somebody and he jumps his car. he left jumps out of his car. he left the keys in the car, went on pursuit of whoever it was he was chasing. so the kids then jump in the car, start reversing, kind of doing not wheelies, but whatever doughnuts or whatever you want to call it in this police car. this was all filmed. people were absolutely hysterical. it was absolutely viral over twitter . and you viral all over twitter. and you see, for me, this is one of the problems to deter the lack of respect towards the police. >> you see, they've they've played a hand in that as well. because when you think of something like, baroness louise casey's report that found the police to be institutionally racist, sexist and homophobic, it's not just isolated incidents from that report. she even said the entire thing needs to be broken down and rebuilt. >> was that the met police? >> was that the met police? >> yes. yeah. and so when you're deaung >> yes. yeah. and so when you're dealing with such high profile transgressions of such a deplorable degree, that breaks apart belief in the structure

apart a belief in the structure actually functioning, to do the job that you've put them, your taxes pay for them to do. and so when you have that, you've lost, you've fundamentally lost the respect. so and also when you're thinking about it, when i said with the police, there's always been that perception that people talk wall of talk about of the blue wall of silence, if you there's silence, that if you there's a police officer doing stuff that that's bad, you cannot say absolutely nobody knew. and there a reporting there has to be a reporting structure where you police yourselves the and yourselves within the system and not seen as a traitor, not being seen as a traitor, because reason police because the reason police officers talk it is officers don't talk about it is they don't want to be shut out by being as a traitor or by being seen as a traitor or going against the brotherhood or the sisterhood whatever. going against the brotherhood or the stozrhood whatever. going against the brotherhood or the sto change whatever. going against the brotherhood or the sto change whaand r. going against the brotherhood or the sto change whaand that's going against the brotherhood or the s theyange whaand that's going against the brotherhood or the s they talk whaand that's going against the brotherhood or the s they talk about and that's going against the brotherhood or the s they talk about changing; when they talk about changing the institution itself, because if you don't change the way it functions, keep on functions, problems will keep on being those being spat out. and those problems can heinous at times. >> i want to bring i'm going to carry this conversation, carry on this conversation, actually, lots carry on this conversation, awant.y, lots carry on this conversation, awant to lots carry on this conversation, awant to get lots carry on this conversation, awant to get into. lots carry on this conversation, awant to get into. but, lots carry on this conversation, awant to get into. but, stewart i want to get into. but, stewart says i wouldn't trust a police officer, a police officer, to walk dog. now, i read that walk my dog. now, i read that and i actually feel, i wonder, are you a serving police

officer? and what do comments like make you feel, someone like that make you feel, someone says, says the police says, brian says the police persecute the easy target , the persecute the easy target, the ordinary decent people instead of the criminals that they are actually scared of. gemma says i do trust the police. however not all of them are certainly not implicitly. often she says, they found themselves compromised. john says trust in the police is absolutely gone. david says the police have been captured by the work establishment and they enforce the law in a political fashion . so let me ask you this fashion. so let me ask you this question then. do you think that we should have a police force or a police service ? do you think a police service? do you think there's a difference between two there's a difference between two the and which one? if a police officer is acting in a forceful manner as opposed to more, perhaps in an engaging manner? what do you think is the most effective style when it comes to policing in society? do we need more of a service and less of a force or vice versa? tell me your thoughts. we'll carry on

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hi there. michelle dewberry with you till seven dreta da silva. kelvin mackenzie. remain alongside me. we're talking about the police and the fact that only 40% of people in england apparently trust the police. i was asking you, do you think that we need to have a police force? because i do wonder whether or not we've just become little bit too much of become a little bit too much of a, you know, we're your friends. we're going to get among you. we're going to get among you. we're going to get among you. we're going to, you know, take the knee with you. we're going to paint cars to show to paint our cars to show solidarity with your sexualities. i just think sexualities. and i just think that they probably sexualities. and i just think that be they probably sexualities. and i just think that be a they probably sexualities. and i just think that be a little probably sexualities. and i just think that be a little bit)bably sexualities. and i just think that be a little bit of|bly should be a little bit of distance, perhaps between the police community. vie. >> no, because i think that >> no, no, because i think that what needs to actually happen is that has to that there has to be a delineation between categories of officers. think of police officers. i think there virtue in the idea of there is a virtue in the idea of there is a virtue in the idea of the community officer, someone who know people who actually gets to know people

in locale. so, you know, in the locale. so, you know, he's becomes figure he's he becomes a figure of trust go to when trust someone you can go to when you that relationship. you cultivate that relationship. people feel like they feel more protected and they feel that you're of you're more representative of their concerns. their day to day concerns. >> you think police >> so do you think police officers should have been doing stuff like taking knee with stuff like taking the knee with the protesters? the blm protesters? >> just felt that >> that one, i just felt that was a bit performative because part that blm part of the problem that blm spoke was caused by the spoke to was caused by the institution is the police institution that is the police and the things they've done. i mean, it was the flashpoint was george that was an issue george floyd. that was an issue with police. now taking with the police. so now taking that was america. no, but that was in america. no, but that's what the uk that's how what spawned the uk one, it's bled worldwide to africa, middle it's africa, to the middle east. it's spread europe. so spread worldwide to europe. so it's indicative of a problem that people identified that all black people identified with. then when you think with. and then when you think about it, it's i've always said that for people in the army, whether you're in the army and the police force, there is a certain of psychological certain amount of psychological testing should have to testing that you should have to go through, which goes back to the point you made about politics. give a person politics. to give a person power, have to that power, you have to know that they are capable of holding it

responsibly. and that's why i feel there should be psychological testing and profiling you're given a profiling before you're given a gun or given that kind of power. >> what do you think to that, kelvin? >> well, i think one of the issues that we face is that many of us, and i'm just as guilty, do not know enough officers . do not know enough officers. they aren't in my social group that obviously, you know, because of my work, they're not i don't see them at work and therefore do i really understand therefore do i really understand the problems that they have and would they share them with me anyway? so you end up with a situation where i suspect that mainly officers, no other officers socialise with them at and enjoy their lives in in that rather narrow way. and i don't think that's a good thing. i'm not saying it can be easily resolved, i'm just saying i think that's a problem. then you come to the issue in relation to minorities . so, when you see minorities. so, when you see that polling the average is 45,

but for minorities , it's 31. but for minorities, it's 31. they really feel that the police have a down on them. now, the stats show actually they don't have a down on them, but there are more of them arrested, presumably because they've carried out more crimes. i can't believe the police force in our country is saying, oh, i tell you what, we must arrest a whole load of minorities today. but then you're validating that causes the problem. that causes the problem. >> you're invalidating the findings of the kc report. that was a well researched report that proved that no , what they that proved that no, what they said was no. >> no. and that the >> no. and what that report, the point it was making was that these an acceptable these people have an acceptable approaches to life, it approaches to life, but it doesn't say it stops . it makes doesn't say it stops. it makes them it makes them arrest more people of colour. no, it didn't say that. no, no. what it specifically said this is how they are. >> the numbers and the approaches and the execution of dufies approaches and the execution of duties were all taken into

account when putting together the report. and also the fact is, if when you think of stop and search and racial profiling, that what would drive that 3031, 30 are you in favour of stop and search? i'm not in favour of stop and search. why because i think that the way it's been executed again, the theory of it i completely agree with. but the execution. no. and that's why i say it goes back to my point. how do you fix it is you have to understand. you have to do psychological profiling of who becomes officers. i do buy that the minute you ask the question, why want to become a why do you want to become a police officer? you begin to identify lines in identify the fracture lines in the psychosis, drives them the psychosis, which drives them to power. but theory to abuse power. but the theory of search i completely of stop and search i completely agree with it just is executed poorly. >> tell me quickly, because i'm almost out of time so quickly. >> i mean, i've literally got 30s. tell me why you think it's executed wrongly. >> because the people who suffer from it most, it's from it the most, it's a disproportionate about, but who are that are carrying are the people that are carrying the knives? >> are are they, i mean, am i if i'm stopped under stop and

search, would ludicrous, search, that would be ludicrous, wouldn't if a young minority wouldn't it? if a young minority member stopped? then . member is stopped? but then. >> there anything wrong >> but is there anything wrong with perception if with that to the perception if you're the minority, mothers are are that are weeping so are the ones that are weeping so much somebody colour is much when somebody of colour is aned much when somebody of colour is knifed , they're the people. knifed, they're the people. >> they're the people that presumably want to have stop and serve according to the perception field, if you're young an ethnic or young or an ethnic minority or working class, a danger working class, you're a danger to . no, that is not to society. no, that is not true. but somebody is knifing somebody of colour to death, and they appear to be of colour. so you should stop and search them. >> time for what do you make? stop and search. have a good night. no night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news tomorrow we'll see again plenty of april showers, some sunny

spells and a chilly wind in the east. high pressure is slowly edging towards us and it will bnng edging towards us and it will bring many of us a fine day on saturday. but for the time being, still got low being, we've still got low pressure weather fronts in pressure and weather fronts in control. they've been bringing rain north through rain across the north through the that rain is now the day and that rain is now trickling southwards, damp trickling southwards, so damp and midlands, and drizzly for the midlands, east the southeast. east anglia and the southeast. overnight, south—west overnight, the south—west generally with more generally staying dry with more cloud breeze . it is cloud and more breeze. it is going to be a much, much milder night than last night. we started today with a frost in many areas. we'll start tomorrow at 7 or 8 degrees, a little colder in northern scotland, where be a really where there will be a really chilly blowing. that will chilly wind blowing. that will be a feature the weather be a feature of the weather right across these eastern areas tomorrow. cold wind elsewhere. we'll start with a lot of clouds, a little bit of rain, but should brighten up but it should brighten up through day. certainly a through the day. certainly a much for northern much brighter day for northern ireland especially western ireland and especially western scotland today. ireland and especially western scotl a 1d today. ireland and especially western scotla few today. ireland and especially western scotla few showers today. ireland and especially western scotla few showers dottediy. still a few showers dotted around through the afternoon and again feel again it is going to feel chilly, in east chilly, particularly in the east with wind. 9 or 10 celsius with that wind. 9 or 10 celsius 14 or 15. further south, temperatures will drop sharply on evening, some pockets on friday evening, some pockets of the weekend ,

of frost to start the weekend, but for many it is going to be a fine day on saturday. decent amount of sunshine around, a bit more cloud and some patchy rain across still more cloud and some patchy rain a

gb news. >> good evening. some overnight polling suggesting that rishi sunak's personal ratings are plummeting . he's actually now on plummeting. he's actually now on a par with where jeremy corbyn was ahead of the 2019 general election. but can varne rishi recover? that's what we'll debate this evening on the

programme. we have an eyewitness account of how britain's asylum courts worked. i thought i'd covered every aspect of this story, but this one makes me just look on in total an utter disbelief. and joining me on talking pints tonight, jamie hull, he's a former sas reservist , but a man who went reservist, but a man who went through a plane crash. i know all about that but suffered horrific burns, went through a terrible time, but has turned his life around in the most astonishing way. it's an inspirational tale. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . with polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that nicola sturgeon's husband, murrell , has husband, peter murrell, has again arrested over the again been arrested over the scottish national party's finances. the former snp chief executive was taken into custody this morning by police scotland and is being questioned by detectives. he'd previously been arrested and released without