being good his escape and avoid being held responsible and accountable for his part in what had taken place. and let's be absolutely clear, he is clearly the one person that was responsible for organising and planning this and making sure that those that went in there had firearms and loaded firearms. in that case, a former prisoner has also been detained in hospital indefinitely. >> for what a judge at the old bailey described as the senseless killing of an elderly mobility scooter rider . the mobility scooter rider. the court heard that lee baker was psychotic when he stabbed thomas o'halloran in august 2022. the 87 year old grandfather suffered multiple wounds to his neck, his chest and his abdomen. just five days before that attack in west london, baker had been released from jail on bail after serving 12 years for robbery . sir keir 12 years for robbery. sir keir starmer has vowed to make british shores hostile territory for people smuggling gangs. if he becomes prime minister. the labour leader is pledging to use mi5 agents against traffickers

bringing migrants across the engush bringing migrants across the english channel. dover mp natalie elphicke, who has just switched from the conservatives to the labour party, has welcomed sir keir's approach, claiming rishi sunaks failed to keep the borders safe. however, the prime minister insists his rwanda plan is still the deterrent the uk needs. >> the question for keir starmer, then, is if he cares so much about that, why did he vote against the new laws that we passed to give our law enforcement officers new powers .7 enforcement officers new powers? they've now used those to arrest almost a thousand people connected with illegal migration, sentenced them to hundreds of years in prison. and if it was up to him, all those people will be out on our streets. so i just think it's a rank hypocrisy of this position. >> scotland's new first minister, john swinney, has admitted today that it's legally impossible to implement controversial gender recognition reforms. in 2020, two msps voted to pass a bill that would make it simpler for people to change their gender without having to obtain a medical diagnosis. the legislation would have also reduced the minimum age and the

time required for someone to live in their chosen gender, but campaigners argue the move is the wrong one and said it could affect protections for women and girls . two elderly climate girls. two elderly climate change protesters have taken a hammer and a chisel to a glass case protecting the magna carta at the british library this afternoon, 82 year old sue parfitt and 85 year old judy bruce also held up a banner which read the government is breaking the law before gluing themselves to the display. scotland yard says that two people have been arrested on suspicion of criminal damage . suspicion of criminal damage. the uk is officially out of recession, with the latest figures showing the economy has grown by more than expected. the office for national statistics estimates gdp rose by 0.6% in the first three months of this yeah the first three months of this year. predictions were suggesting 0.4. rishi sunak says people will now start to feel better off. but the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves , says chancellor, rachel reeves, says the conservatives are out of touch. >> if you look at this prime

minister's record since rishi sunak became prime minister, the economy is still £300 worse off per person in the country . so per person in the country. so this these numbers today are not deserving of the victory lap that rishi sunak and jeremy hunt seem to want to go on. >> and finally, some good news for stargazers. there's a chance you may see the northern lights across the uk tonight , thanks to across the uk tonight, thanks to clear skies and a huge and rare solar storm. forecasters suggest they're likely to be seen across parts of northern ireland, scotland, northern england and wales. experts say it could be the most powerful geomagnetic storm in almost two decades. that's the latest from the newsroom for now. another update at 8:00. until then, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> welcome to the andersons real

world and tonight on the show, we're going to discuss what impact donald trump will have on uk politics and on the world stage. if he is elected this yeah stage. if he is elected this year. i'm delighted to be joined by alex armstrong , a political by alex armstrong, a political commentator, and back on the show, denis macshane , former show, denis macshane, former labour mp and minister of state for europe, i believe. welcome dennis. welcome back. look, he's, he's got his haters as donald trump and he's got his lovers as well. he's never out the news. he always seems to be. he's in more court. that is in court more times than some mps over there, at the moment. so, dennis, is he going to get elected and is he going to be good for the world? >> i personally think not. i'm afraid of joe biden . long talks afraid of joe biden. long talks to him about politics, trump, donald trump has had his moment in the sun. he's a bit like our own beloved nigel farage, who won tons of votes in european parliament elections. but when he went to the british people to go into the house of commons, they said, no thanks, nigel. i think everything trump's doing, particularly now, this court

case problem for him, you know, as a common criminal, i think the american people will just say, nah, nah, i mean, we've got problems. he told us he'd build a wall between mexico and america. not six inches of it was built . i mean, america. not six inches of it was built. i mean, he's he's he's a mouth musician, isn't he ? he's a mouth musician, isn't he? he's very impressive. he's very fluid. but he's also a bit doddery. now, i know joe isn't exactly a sprightliest man on the world, but, i mean, donald makes incredible mistakes, alex. >> i mean, not very flattering there from dennis is doddery. he's a is a mouth. what was it, a mouth? what? >> well, he was in politics. we call them mouth musicians. covertly, you must know. >> and a convict . yeah. i mean, >> and a convict. yeah. i mean, what what do you say to that? >> well, look, every time there's a new court case brought against trump, he goes up in the polls. i mean, this he is really a man of the people. and just look at what he did while he was in office. he's the first president in god knows. i can't remember who didn't start a new war. and now he's got all these

criminal convictions on him. and people see this as injustice. they see these small, petty crimes put against trump that seem to a lot of people manufactured to bring him down. weaponizing the justice department. and every time they do it, like the famous mug shot, trump just just rallies his troops and he goes up and up and up in the polls. i mean, you've only got to see the way that the two of them speak in rallies and the amount of people that show up to see trump to show how popular he is with ordinary people. and that's the difference between biden and trump. ordinary people love trump. ordinary people love trump. people who love the status quo like sleepy joe. >> but then you can't really argue with that because we see the polls in the us and trump is up there. so it's sort of goes against what you said previously. >> lee, i look at a lot of polls in america, not just the bits and pieces that appear in the daily mail, the daily telegraph. the polls are the key swing states. if you remember, in america, you've got to get the electoral college. you know that. our viewers know that in the key swing states, the democrats have won nearly every single local election, the ones that are far too unimportant to be reported in britain. and

that's one of the biggest reason, is because he stuffed the supreme court with very right wing judges who hate women and have removed the right of women to control their own bodies. and this is producing a backlash amongst women voters that has already cost the republicans control of the senate. and so my american friends tell me, i'm not an expert any more than you are, but the polls are all saying, but the polls are all saying, but when you're voting, not opinion polls, do you like trump? yeah. okay he's exciting quy- trump? yeah. okay he's exciting guy. it's. but are you going to actually go out tomorrow to vote republican? then the answer is well, no . because what they're well, no. because what they're doing to us women in particular is just unacceptable . is just unacceptable. >> so what is he doing to women, alex? donald trump? well, you know, he literally came out last week i think it was and had a very strong statement that when he if he becomes president that he if he becomes president that he will support women's reproductive rights. >> and that includes, you know, abortion . and he said that he abortion. and he said that he would like to see that

challenged in those states, which he thinks have gone too far. so i think he's actually had quite a robust response to it. and he's not in charge of the supreme court. he can put people in there that you know, back his values, but he's not in charge of the supreme court. that's the way it works in america. >> but then he's sort of suggested that the courts are full of women haters. >> oh, i, i look there are women on the supreme court and, you know, whether or not i don't know, whether or not i don't know what the vote was or don't know what the vote was or don't know how many women voted for and against the abortion, the abortion acts in the supreme courts, locally, in those states. >> but those those states have a right to choose how they govern their people. and if they want to, people want that overturned, then surely it will be overturned by policy at some point. but they keep voting for people that don't want to change that policy. and that's down to the american states. >> genesis is just sour grapes from people on the left like you. >> i stop, particularly people on the left. it's women. and women have got the right to too, vote you know. and it's not just accident. trump knew perfectly well when he was putting on to the supreme court, not respected middle of the road judges, but men, particularly men who taken

a line on denying women the right to control their own bodies. and i, i'm not a woman. you're not a woman. alex isn't a woman. but this is how it's been read in america. but going to other issues, too . he makes other issues, too. he makes flamboyant, absurd statements . flamboyant, absurd statements. we don't know where he's standing on, on on putin. there are plenty of other presidents since 1945 who haven't started wars. and we probably american, has been drawn into wars, rightly or wrongly, iraq or vietnam or other places intervening in west balkans to stop up the mess up of europe . stop up the mess up of europe. >> but the putin question, i mean, the putin thing that you raised there, then is i mean, i'm i'm convinced that had trump been the president of the us, that this wouldn't have happened. you know, there's no way putin would have invaded ukraine. what do you think, alex? it never would have happened. >> it never would have happened while i was president. i mean, it's, you know, he's a tough man. >> and you know what? what really frustrates foreign leaders is not knowing how to predict somebody. and he's unpredictable. i mean, look, he

was the first president, i think, for ever that stepped, stepped foot in north korea. he made massive swathes to actually bnng made massive swathes to actually bring peace around the world. i think he was fostering deals between israel and saudi arabia . between israel and saudi arabia. he was actually the most peaceful president we've had in decades. peaceful president we've had in decades . and you can't take that decades. and you can't take that away from him. >> look at dennis. >> look at dennis. >> take that away from dennis. dennis, it's a fact. >> you can't take that away. >> you can't take that away. >> i love the most peaceful president in decades. i love i love the idea that under trump he was i can't do the accent. i'll leave it to you as four years of peace. you know, nobody everinvaded years of peace. you know, nobody ever invaded or attacked anybody. give us all a break. i mean, i was in georgia in 2008 when putin invaded. trump wasn't he wasn't even doing, you know, the apprentice in those days. >> and you can't blame that on trump, can you? putin >> putin doesn't give a damn about who he's us president. he is obsessed with restoring russian grandeur and regaining what he considers the territories that have voted to

become independent states. and i think the whole world will be very disappointed if a president trump enters into office and starts working for putin. i don't think he will. >> that's a bit unfair, saying the whole world will be, you know, upset if donald trump, sorry, the whole democratic world. all right. so everybody in the uk will be a little bit fed up. oh, i think it'll be i think a nightmare whether it's a tory government or a labour government, i think it will be difficult to handle and we will just enter unchartered territory. donald trump's not here to defend himself. or is he? >> no, i'm here to defend donald trump. right. and i'd say this, i'd say, look, donald trump made some really important points when he was president, particularly around nato, which there were plenty of countries not contributing. and why should we constantly ask america to keep funding nato? if we really believe in it, we should pay for it. and frankly, the globalist sort of cabal of people who've got a very similar set of agenda, you see that in policy all across the west. don't like it because he came in upset, upset the status quo. you saw that from his actions in policy

in america, when he ordered thousands of independent experts to go into the pentagon and say, we want transparency in what you're spending your money on. and they didn't like it and they failed. >> i think what some of the so—called democrats didn't like at the time, because when he was signing off these executive orders. >> that's right. yeah. yeah. like that. >> why not? why not dennis b because very simply, america was founded on the idea of rule of law. >> and it's never accepted the idea that a strong president has some very strong presidents over their 200 plus years of history could override that. now, if you want to give up on that . and a want to give up on that. and a lot of people in this country are very keen to ignore rule of law, then we're entering a new world. better world. i'm not sure, he claimed in before he was elected, he would build a wall and stop immigration. that's far more important to every american than i'll tell you what's far more important, dennis. >> it's the yes no quiz. okay, guys, yes or no quiz? dennis you know the rules. you've done this

before, i think. alex, it's a yes or a no. you can't say anything else. and it proves rather difficult for certain mps or ex—mps like stephen pound is not on the show this week, so , not on the show this week, so, dennis, will donald trump win the us election ? the us election? >> no. >> no. >> alex. yes, alex. will biden be the democratic candidate? no >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> dennis wolf—ferrari's returned to frontline politics. no alex. >> no. >> no. >> there was, there. yeah >> there was, there. yeah >> no, sorry. >> no, sorry. >> i can't give you that. you know , the rules are quite know, the rules are quite simple. alex, is there a under plan working? yes. >> dennis. no >> dennis. no >> finally. number five. alex should the uk accept illegal migrants back from ireland? no >> oh. >> oh. >> oh, sorry. sorry. sorry, dennis. there was a grunt. there was a groan and a giggle. >> so he's trying to think through the law of it all.

>> well, look, there's no thinking required in this game . thinking required in this game. yes. it'sjust thinking required in this game. yes. it's just it's politics. >> that's certainly true in the cabinet at the moment. >> so i want to come back to you first, alex, for your pathetic score, by the way. >> okay. right. >> okay. right. >> i mean, it's just yes or no. what is difficult about that? but number two, will biden be the democratic candidate in the us elections? donald, over to you. >> yeah. i mean, he's it's donald, you know, he's sleepy. >> joe, you know, like at the end of the day, he can't even get a speech out. >> i mean, the other day he was speaking to people in his rallies and he went four more years. pause. yep, yep. and it's like this sort of stuff. people must look at it and go, he's not running the show here. clearly it's a group of people looking after the presidency. so i think people will the democrats will get to a point where they'll say, no, we've got to replace him. yep, yep. >> disagree. he's just won a huge victory in in the senate, on the house, on a huge package to, ukraine, which trump opposed. and all the right wing nasty republicans opposed. and everybody in the democratic world is breathing more easily.

he's making powerful statements and speeches on the campaign trail. speeches? yeah, on the campaign trail. listen to him. come on, dennis. >> well, i tried dennis. you know, i mean, look, look, gladstone was doing it at 84. >> churchill was doing it well into his 80s. you can't compare biden to winston churchill. i'm surely saying that the idea and trump stumbles far more . but trump stumbles far more. but look, biden's as i say, i've known him. i talked to him. he's older than me, but it was slightly the same background. he believes in three things do right by american middle classes. we would call it maybe more. the working class here, which actually both labour and the tories have ignored. as you know, lee. secondly, his economic guidance is not right wing austerity make the poor poorer but middle class keynesian, sensible politics of the state has to do something. don't deny i don't have to give the final word to donald trump because he's got an opinion on this. thirdly joe is opposed

every one of america's enemies . every one of america's enemies. trump hasn't seen one of america's enemies. he hasn't wanted to get closer to donald. >> final word. i mean, come on, let's let's just let's just get real here. >> he biden can't even get a speech out. he's he's weak on foreign policy . speech out. he's he's weak on foreign policy. he's allowed russia to take advantage. china to take advantage of weak american foreign policy. and the economy is dwindling in america. unemployment's rising at a rapid rate. so i mean, by all intents and purposes, donald trump's presidency was far more prosperous , safer and a better world. >> well thanks, guys. great. just one quiz. i think you're the first pair we've had on. i'll have to check back on previous episodes to not get at least one of you. not to get a five so you can go away knowing that it was pretty pathetic. coming up next is back in the day with vanessa frake . day with vanessa frake. >> 2024 a battleground year, the year the nation decides as the parties gear up their campaigns for the next general election,

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>> britain's news channel >> so i'm joined now by vanessa frake, who was the governor of security at wormwood scrubs. that's correct. and also so a top selling author selling thousands of books. look, vanessa, as a young lady, what sort of drives you to be to be interested in a career in the prison service? >> well, i kind of sort of fell into it really, by accident. i happened to see a poster on the tube when i was in london, when i was, what, 21? and, it said something like your prison service needs you and you too can make a difference. and i, you know , i was a bit of a cocky you know, i was a bit of a cocky so—and—so at that age. and i thought, well, i can do that job. okay. i applied and at the same time i applied to join the met police, and while i was halfway through my training for the prison service, i got a letter through from the met saying i could start at hendon college. but by that time, like i said, i was halfway through my training and i thought, well, let's see where this goes. and as they say, the rest was a little bit scary going into a prison for the first time. no, i

don't apprehend i've. yeah, i've never been scared people, quite a few people asked me that, you know. were you ever scared? but no, i think if you're ever scared, you can't do the job. >> okay, so you've come across a i'm looking at the list here, vanessa. a few unsavoury characters, to say the least. i mean, i know the prisons are full of prisoners and people that's done horrible things, but you've had a, a coming together with rose west , i believe. with rose west, i believe. >> yeah. i mean, i was in charge of the segregation unit when rose west came to us before her trial in, in winchester crown court. and because winchester is a winchester jail is court. and because winchester is a winchesterjail is a male jail. we had to hold her at holloway and, so i looked after rose for about eight, eight, nine weeks before she went to winchester on trial , you know, winchester on trial, you know, people say, well, what was she like ? well, she was your typical like? well, she was your typical psychopath. no emotion, very narcissist , very manipulative. narcissist, very manipulative. but, you know, she caused no bother. obviously, she couldn't be in the general population . so be in the general population. so we kept her down in the segregation unit for not only

her protection, but the protection of others. >> and how do the other prisoners react when somebody like rose west is in the jail, well, i mean, you know, they only had to look at the news, read the newspapers and know that we'd had somebody you know, notorious into the jail. and so, you know, there'd be a lot of catcalling out of windows, etc, etc, and rose west, you know, she was convicted eventually of murdering ten women and the torture of and but she wasn't a baby killer, not like the likes of beverley allitt, who was convicted of murdering four babies and trying to murder nine others. the place was, you know, up in arms. we certainly had to keep her separated. >> so we do hear stories and i don't know how true they are, to be honest with you, vanessa, that sometimes when you get these evil people in your in your prisons, that the prison guards turn a blind eye sometimes and let the inmates get on with it. is that true or is that just something we read in the papers? >> no, i think that's i think that's you know, i think that's

pretty much, something that the media comes up with certainly, you know, in just shy of 30 years, i've never seen anything like that. if anything, you want to protect that person because you certainly don't want anything to happen to them on your watch. you know, the likes of fred west topping himself. shipman doing the same. you know, if that was on your watch, you know, there's an awful lot of paperwork to fill out and lots and lots of questions and investigations go on. so, no, i don't believe that that sort of professional pride gets gets rid of that. absolutely. yeah. and, you know, i've had the pleasure to work with a great number of very professional prison officers. >> okay. another one i've got on my list. i mean, you mentioned, rose west, pete doherty , singer. rose west, pete doherty, singer. yeah, a strange character. >> yeah . well, pete came into >> yeah. well, pete came into wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs when i was at wormwood scrubs , and, he was wormwood scrubs, and, he was sentenced some ridiculous amount, something like three months by the by the judge, for breach of his previous conditions. and, you know , he

conditions. and, you know, he was a prolific drug taker. we thought we'd give him a chance, put him on the detox unit, try and help him. but it turned out to be an absolute nightmare. you know, outside every cell , know, outside every cell, there's a what's called a cell card. it has the prisoner's name and number, and all these cell cards kept disappearing because they prisoners would take it off their doors. go a piece. oh, sign this for us, pete. and then and then pocket it. so, then i came in one sunday morning, and i think it was the news of the world had a front page picture of pete doherty taking crack or smoking a joint or something with his fellow prisoners on the detox wing. we then had no choice. so i went with another officer and took him down to the seg, and that's where he stayed for his entire time. >> so outside of prison life, you've got a passion for baking. what's all that about? did that start in prison, no, not really. no, up until i retired, i didn't really bake at all. but, you know, i think when, when people retire from a service like, you know , prison service, whatever,

know, prison service, whatever, you kind of lose your way in society and you kind of think, well, where do i fit in society now? what do i do? you know, it's all right for the first couple of weeks. it's like you're you're institutionalised. >> you think, oh, completely, i still am. >> you know, i count people on the tops of buses. i have my lunch at 12:00, you know. absolutely institutionalised to within an inch of my life. and i think you know, i had to find something that, that i could put my passion into. >> so you've got another passion as well. you told me earlier about the, the hospice in evesham. >> yeah. yeah i've done a bit of work with, the people who run saint richard's hospice up in worcestershire, fantastic people. fantastic cause. and i'm really pleased that you mentioned it. thanks. so if anybody wants to put a donation on their way, i'm sure they'd be delighted. >> and how did they put that donation in? is there a link or is there a, no. >> i think if you go on to their website, you can it has a button says donate . says donate. >> okay. so you've got a, you

know, a good career in the pfison know, a good career in the prison service. you served your country, you've done your bit for king and country and queen and country young people today looking for a career. would you advise them to go into the into the prison service and what's the prison service and what's the do's or don'ts, i think you've got to understand that the prison service over the last sort of i'd say probably ten, 15 years has changed dramatically. you know, ever since 2010, it's been bled dry of funding . we've been bled dry of funding. we've got crumbling buildings, we've got crumbling buildings, we've got overcrowding, we've got staff shortages, we've got rid of a lot of experienced staff. and now we're sort of recruiting very young . when i joined the very young. when i joined the job, you had to be 21. now you can apply at 71 and start training at 18. well, to me that's very young. you know, that's very young. you know, that's no life experience, but you know, for me it was a fantastic career. i got got the opportunity to meet some amazing people. you know, i had a, i met the queen, i had a i was awarded an m.b.e. and, you know, i put my all into it. and if you want

a long term career and you think you can make a difference, then yeah, absolutely. but you've got to have resilience . you've got to have resilience. you've got to have resilience. you've got to have resilience. you've got to have humour, albeit probably gallows humour. but you know, you've got to be able to, to be firm but fair. >> can i just ask you one question? because there's one thing that really , i don't know, thing that really, i don't know, it bewilders me how did the drugs get into prison? >> oh, lee, if you know, i spent probably 20 years trying to fight drugs , coming into jail as fight drugs, coming into jail as soon as you shut one door, you know, another one opens. as soon as you catch like one dealer, another one slides into his shoes. you know, there are so many ways we've had bogus solicitors , we've had, solicitors, we've had, solicitors, we've had, solicitors, we've had police officers, we've had staff . we've officers, we've had staff. we've had coming over in dead pigeons sewn up. we've had them over in tennis balls, we, you know, we threw receptions from the courts

. you know, the list is absolutely endless. and to fight it, you know, the prison service never really kept up with technology. you know, mobile phones are so easy to get into prison these days. and, the prison these days. and, the prison service, you know, it says it's helping with technology, but it can do so much more. and as soon as i say, as soon as you shut one door, another one flings open. >> vanessa. that was brilliant conversation. thanks for doing that. look, coming up next, we've got right versus left with emma woolf and denis macshane

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love? your weekend starts here. friday night live with me . mark friday night live with me. mark dolan from 8 pm. on gb news. bnng dolan from 8 pm. on gb news. bring a bottle . bring a bottle. >> okay, it's time for right versus left. and i have author and political commentator emma woolf back on the show for about the third or fourth time, and likewise, dennis denis macshane . likewise, dennis denis macshane. he's a former labour mp, minister of state for europe. look we're going to get straight to it. politics. we've seen what's happened over the past week or so, people are a little bit i think, in this country, a bit i think, in this country, a bit fed up with politicians of all colours, really, but i don't think they're switching off from politics. i think it's almost become a form of entertainment. if i could say that in this country where people are looking on their phones, looking on the tv, looking at this great tv channel, so they're actually engaging with politics, in my opinion, but they're just fed up with, with politicians and, and the direction of travel in this country. what do you think? what do you think, dennis? >> i think it's perfectly,

perfectly fair. the trouble is, when you ignore politics, never forget politics doesn't ignore you . and the difficulty is that you. and the difficulty is that i follow social media. i follow lots of different stations and different magazines , news different magazines, news papers, but they're all one tonal. we've just lost the art. we used to have it at the daily telegraph and the news pages. we used to have it in the guardian of some balance, of some give and take. now it's all you know. hello, here's my megaphone. and this is, are the good people. and those are the bad people . and those are the bad people. and those are the bad people. and we also don't have any really good strong personalities anymore. >> well, thanks for that, dennis. what do you reckon? i'm a no. a 110. >> a no. >> strong leadership in leadership positions. no. strong your day will come. >> look, i don't think people are switching off from politics. i think there's a sense of exhaustion. i think there's a sense of disillusionment. i think outside the westminster bubble, there's a real sense that politics is not delivering real people for what they need in their real lives , the things in their real lives, the things they care about, the things that people we have all said that we

are concerned about knife crime, immigration, things like that, poverty, you know, cost of living, all those things. i think there is a sense in the country of exhaustion and despair that that is not being delivered. i think people don't feel connected. i think it's kind of micro level, feel connected. i think it's kind of micro level , their local kind of micro level, their local lives and the macro. so the macro you've got, you've got taxes soaring, you've got the nhs literally on the verge of breakdown. then at the local level you've got people's lives, their real lives, you've got unemployment in their local areas, you've got the high streets that are closing down, you've got potholes on the streets, you've got a sense that you can't get an appointment at your local gp, that you can't get your kids into, into decent schools. so it's kind of local and also on a larger scale . and also on a larger scale. >> so i was one of those people. dennis, emma, back in 2015, 16, i was just a normal bloke watching the tv, looking at parliament, looking at the green benches and screaming at the screen. and then when we had the brexit vote and still they couldn't deliver on brexit. and i'm thinking there's a normal bloke, you know, just an

everyday bloke looking, why can't you do the job that we implore you to do? and i know a lot of people and i'm gonna flip this back on the public as well a little bit, because a lot of the people saying i could do a better job than that. and then when you say, well, come and help, come and help deliver leaflets, get involved, join a political party, come and campaign, to stand be a councillor, whatever, or maybe an mp. they don't want to know because it's a tough gig. it is a tough gig. >> that's the thing. lots of us want to be involved at that level, but it's time consuming. people are actually struggling to work to look after their kids, to put food on the table, you know, to pay the bills. and i you know, it's kind of is it apathy that they don't get involved? >> well, dennis is shaking his headis >> well, dennis is shaking his head is looking a little bit confused. >> only only in the sense that, well, before we were born, people were working 50 hour weeks. there are no weekends. they're working saturdays, but they still found time on all parties to go out because it was important for the country. and i think the constant sneering at politicians , you cite, for politicians, you cite, for example, brexit not being delivered well, prohibition was

delivered well, prohibition was delivered in america. it was voted in 1917. they tried to deliver it. they couldn't. it turned into a disaster. and then america grew up. at some stage, we'll have to grow up and admit that cutting all trade links and banning everybody coming into britain from europe is not good for the politics. >> dennis is about people . it's >> dennis is about people. it's about people getting involved. it's about people airing their opinions and maybe campaigning for political parties or even, you know, people . sometimes you know, people. sometimes people get on social media and get on twitter and instagram and they, you know, they fire all these opinions off. and then we say, well, you know, come and meet me, come and get involved. they don't want to know a lot of the time, but it is about people. >> and i think when you lose that trust in politicians, i mean, look, look at the last say four, three, four years. people feel that since the pandemic, we were lied to, we were controlled, we were restricted . controlled, we were restricted. they've lost a lot of trust in our leaders. and that's really fundamental. you know, there isn't respect for leaders in the same way that there used to be. so harold wilson, winston churchill, i know they were difficult times. of course they

were. and i agree with you 100. it was much tougher back in the 50s. it was much tougher back in the 505. i it was much tougher back in the 50s. i don't buy this stuff about, oh, it's harder for young people these days. genuinely. i don't. but look at young people. let's go to that. we have a generation of people who are unemployed, who are anxious, who are signed off work, who are depressed, who are becoming obese. all of that. and i think thatis obese. all of that. and i think that is also linked to this addiction to screens and smartphones and people just being inside signed off with anxiety disorders . i think anxiety disorders. i think they're a really, really difficult problems in this country . there's a problem, country. there's a problem, young people, it's really sad, but well, it isn't. >> it isn't, it isn't. i mean, if i'm say if they actually they put on the radio in the morning or in tv and they hear the guys in power in the cabinet saying, this is a world beating economy. our education policy is the best in the world. our health care policies. but we spend more on health care than anybody else in human history. and they say, why is this guy, this woman talking absolute bs? yeah. and it'll be labour's fault too, before long. don't get me wrong. what i would say though, is we've seen the biggest participation by people

of all ages, especially young people in my lifetime in the last few months. on the question of gaza . but they say that if of gaza. but they say that if you're pro—palestinian , there you're pro—palestinian, there isn't a single person over there, as you put it. whitehall or westminster. speaking for me and my jewish friends will say there's not a single person pointing out hamas was a bunch of jew killers and an evil organisation , and so they come organisation, and so they come out. i was there last weekend, they come out weekend after weekend filling the streets, and nobody is responding to them. >> but let's go back to young people . emma, you make >> but let's go back to young people. emma, you make a >> but let's go back to young people . emma, you make a good people. emma, you make a good point, dennis. by the way, back in the day, the 50s or 60s, whenever more i think more young people were more interested in politics, especially in my neck of the woods, because of industry. the industry was a coal mine, was a steelworks, was textiles, whatever. these were large nationalised industries . large nationalised industries. they had a large workforce and there was closed shop unions . so there was closed shop unions. so everybody who worked in in the

pits where i worked had a stake in the labour party somewhere along the line, because they paid their union subs a bit, you know, a few pence of that subs went to the labour party to, you know, to, to train candidates to produce election materials, etc. so when it comes to election time , in my day, it was pretty, time, in my day, it was pretty, you know, nailed on which way you know, nailed on which way you was going to vote. but at least you was going to vote, because each week you paid your union subs that went to the labour party and hey presto, a bloke used to work down the pit was your local mp. >> yeah, fine. but you had a sense of local community. you had a sense of community cohesion. you were part of something. you were talking to people. you were out in the streets. you were working with other people. we don't have that anymore. we live in completely isolated societies. i mean, i live in central london. i don't even know my neighbours. and i've, you know, lived where i live for 15 or so years. many, many people are in that time to every woman was staying at home, waiting to sort of scrub her husband, mind her husband's back and preparing food. >> there's been a revolution of putting, allowing women now to speak and be part of society,

which wasn't the case then . but which wasn't the case then. but i'll tell you one thing the tories had going for them in 19505. tories had going for them in 1950s. lee i think you're probably too young to appreciate it. thanks for that. that was simply that the young conservatives were the biggest social group in britain without a million people. and you went there to meet people of the other sex there. maybe politics has to get just a bit more down to earth, but i can't no, i come back to the well, i could i come back to the well, i could i come back to the internet. >> nowadays, if you want to meet friends, if you want to meet your potential partner, all of that, it's all online. and it's not about male versus female. it's really, really not. it's about a general decline in standards. it's about general decline in behaviour, general decline in behaviour, general decline in behaviour, general decline in discipline. bring back, you know, what's it called? >> the rope. >> the rope. >> no. >> no. >> oh my god . we're talking >> oh my god. we're talking about public hanging now. >> conscription. >> conscription. bring >> conscription. bring back conscription. >> give young people something to do for a couple of years. get them trained and get them disciplined. give young men and young women, but young men especially get get the you know, the conscription sergeants out

on the high streets. give them a sense of something to do. >> the old drill sergeants. >> the old drill sergeants. >> why not? why not young men at a salary give them a career? >> no, but i did do the school cadet force. it was a company sergeant major. i was a natural giver of orders even then, barking at other school children. and i made that point once in the house of commons, saying the house of commons should have a combined cadet force for all mps to get some discipline back into . discipline back into. >> absolutely, absolutely discipline, back in parliament, discipline, back in parliament, discipline back into parliament, discipline back into parliament, discipline back into our nurseries, in our schools and all of it. >> but i have a three year old and most days i say to him, pull your socks up, stop whining, you know. and does it get your socks up, it's not working, is it? it's not working. dennis. emma. thanks. that was brilliant. i will come back on the rope comment. we're not having a debate on, flogging and hanging. flogging and hanging on this show. well, not this week, anyway . anyway, coming up after anyway. anyway, coming up after the break, we have al—nas

gourami.

it's last orders. and i'm on the paw with el—nas gourami. el—nas. you are a adult. paw with el—nas gourami. el—nas. you are a adult . what's it called? >> i'm an adult. platform expert. >> that's what i would say in plain english. so i'm a bit thick. what does that mean? >> that means that i support aduu >> that means that i support adult platforms with all of their marketing requirements . so their marketing requirements. so generally speaking, a lot of these platforms can't take to mainstream forms of marketing. we've learned how to do that so that they are a part of mainstream publications, and that they get the same kind of viewership that any mainstream platform would get. >> so this is sex we're talking about. >> is it talking about porn? >> is it talking about porn? >> you're talking about porn. so how do you get into that sort of industry by accident?

>> okay. it was a complete accidental thing, i had applied for a position and they were really good at hiding what it was without hiding what it was. so i got very curious. >> and what was the position? >> and what was the position? >> the position was head of marketing for a media company, and i was like, okay, let's read more. >> so i guess this, this sort of conversation is probably something that people will turn their noses up at a little bit. but, you know, in the real world this actually happens, don't it? and there's a big market for it. >> it's a huge market. we're talking billions and trillions. and outside of that, i think, you know, if you turn your nose to porn, you don't know enough of what's going on in the world to have enough opinions about things. so, yeah , well, we've things. so, yeah, well, we've seen in where i work across the road in parliament, has been people, actually caught watching porn on their, on their laptops in the house of commons. i would choose quite boring in there. >> oh, speak for yourself. i quite enjoy it, to be honest with you. but yeah, i mean, but there's a time and a place i agree, i agree there is a time

and place and i mean, it's a little uncouth to do it whilst you're working, but it is what it is. okay. so you, you came to this country from canada? i did, yeah. three years ago. yeah. but you didn't always live in canada? no i didn't, you lived in germany before then. correct. and then you came from where did you come from? >> iran. iran? yeah. so iranian born canadian. we lived in germany for five years as refugees and then found our way to settle to canada. always wanted to be in the uk, london specifically. so for me it was really a life changing moment when i was able to do that. >> so tell me about why your parents decided to leave iran as refugees. what led to that? the 1979 revolution. >> so, at the time, my parents really were trying to figure out how to get out for both my sister and i. we were the only two then, and at the time that i was born, an opportunity came for my dad for us to flee. and they did. they took it at the first chance they could. >> wow. yeah. and so do you speak german? >> i don't, i speak fluent farsi and english. a little bit of french here and there, but german. i hated my time there.

>> see, this is a thing, you know, at the moment, we're having this debate in this country about the illegals crossing the, the english channel every single day, which are which really riles me because we do have genuine people around the world that need our help, that we need help, you know, to look after genuine refugees, genuine asylum seekers. how do you feel about the people coming over the channel? you must see it on the tv. >> i do see it w.— >> i do see it on tv. >> i do see it on the w.— >> i do see it on the tv. i tv. >> i do see it on the tv. i know people who've helped them. i go on my genuine feeling is this imagine the desperation you must feel to put yourself through that kind of experience to get out of where you are. yeah, i think france is safe . yes. so i think france is safe. yes. so i think france is safe. yes. so i think there are instances where if you are in a position where you're coming across and it's not dire, you should try the legal route . yeah. it's fair to legal route. yeah. it's fair to everybody involved. >> so did your family go through the legal 100? 100? okay. you

see, i'm all for that. i'm all for going through the legal route. >> it took us a while, but, i mean, to get into. i'll be honest, i'm not sure how they did the germany iran thing. i was so young, but iran, germany to canada was legal. okay, okay. >> so i guess, you know, growing up in iran under a different regime , going to germany, a regime, going to germany, a different culture, and then canada, a different culture again, and then coming to the best city in the world. agreed? agreed, agreed. why london? why not nottingham just said, you said it's the best city in the world. >> you said it. >> you said it. >> there. it's just the best city. >> it is the best city in the world. there is nothing you can't have in london, nothing you can't do in london. i think everyone here represents something so different. it's the most unique place. >> and have you ever poured a pint before? >> i have. >> i have. >> have you worked in a pub ? >> have you worked in a pub? >> have you worked in a pub? >> not in a pub. >> not in a pub. >> okay, so are we going to, we're going to get vanessa back behind the bar because we're going to go on the pool now. it's quite simple, i'll give you a pint , pop. it's quite simple, i'll give you a pint, pop. elena's. let's do it. and you've got to do that.

okay in 30s. you want to come around here? vanessa this? oh, it's looking a bit frothy on us. >> is it me or is it the froth? >> is it me or is it the froth? >> listen, a bad workman blames the tools. that's always a case of that. yeah. i mean, i think you need to tilt the glass a little bit more towards a little bit more. >> okay. towards me? yeah. trying but it's all froth. no. what? >> we need it. we need to fill the glass. please yeah, we're gonna have to give it a second, so. no, no, there's no second chance. >> that's it. and you can just plonk it on the bar. utlu. >> it's all. it's all froth on the bar. >> and now you're gonna have to reveal something. now elnaz. okay? you're gonna have to reveal your true height if you just step down. one minute down. all right? >> okay. i mean, this isn't my true height. >> and here, vanessa, another pint pot. and bear in mind that elena's has got it. how high are your eels? >> they are seven inches tall, vanessa. looks like yours is all froth too. it's the machine, isn't it? >> it's the. it's the end of the

barrel, i think. it's not. >> it's not. i think you're scraping the barrel without comment, so come on. more froth. that's it , that's it. and i'll that's it, that's it. and i'll have a go as well. i'll have a go. okay. >> and if. all right, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. so i mean it's come on and it's on the bar just to prove pathetic. >> that one is. let's have a look. let's have a go. oops. is this barrel i told you? >> yeah. see >> yeah. see >> well, let's have a look that's quite drinkable. >> that is. i feel like mine. that's the drinkable. yeah. >> that's yours. yep >> that's yours. yep >> when you want to mark that out of ten, well, it's half full, so five, five. >> thanks . >> thanks. >> thanks. >> elena's. that's. that's mine. do you want to mark mine one? >> really? yeah. and that's vanessa. >> joanna. mark. >> joanna. mark. >> vanessa. >> vanessa. >> vanessa, i'm going to give you a solid three, so that'll do you. absolutely look at that.

>> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> we spoke earlier about your career in the prison service vanessa i suppose at one time there were some of these scoundrels that you were looking after that were brewing. this sort of stuff, weren't they? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and popularly known as hooch. hooch? yeah. it's, it's like a home brew that they, they get bred, which they're given at tea time, you mix it with sugar water, an orange or a anything sort of citrusy . sort of citrusy. >> and, where did they put this stuff? >> well, usually they get, like, squashed bottles, that sort of thing , fill it up with the thing, fill it up with the stuff, top it up with water, shakeit stuff, top it up with water, shake it up, leave it behind a radiator, to mature, it's dreadful stuff, you know, it can make you go blind, can kill you, gives you the strength of ten men or ten women. does it? yeah, absolutely. yeah. it's makes jul in shops. >> no, for that very reason, you know, it's really nasty stuff. and i was happy when , scrubs had and i was happy when, scrubs had the first ever hooch dog,

trained at, called archie a to spaniel sniff out and search. search for specifically for hooch. >> like the signs of that. are you a drinker? >> i am a drinker. >> i am a drinker. >> yeah, yeah. you like the signs of a bit of hooch? >> absolutely not. okay so it's been great, guys. >> what a fantastic show. again fantastic story about where you've come from and where you've come from and where you've ended up. are you going to stay in london? >> i am staying in london. this is home. >> i'm vanessa. any more books, never say never. >> lee, what was your last one called? >> the guv'nor, guv'nor. >> the guv'nor, guv'nor. >> and army sales. has that made around? >> well, i don't know specifics. >> well, i don't know specifics. >> i don't deal with that sort of side of it. >> or a top selling author. >> or a top selling author. >> sunday times top five. >> sunday times top five. >> i love to look at that. >> i love to look at that. >> sunday times top five. that's on the pool. that's last orders with elena's and vanessa. thanks, guys. >> thank you. thank you, thank you for watching lee anderson's real world. >> it's been another cracking show. and look, we've got a high alert with elena's true idea. the heels she was wearing earlier, a good seven inches. they are. but coming up next,

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you'll never stop. >> mark, thank you very much. and good evening from the newsroom just after 8:00. the top story tonight, a man who led an armed robbery during which a police officer was shot dead, has been sentenced today to a minimum of 40 years behind bars. 38 year old pc sharon beshenivsky was fatally shot when she interrupted the raid in bradford, nearly 20 years ago. 75 year old piran ditta khan fled to pakistan three months after her death and spent 15 years on the run. three other men are already in prison for beshenivsky murder . murder beshenivsky murder. murder retired detective chief superintendent andy brennan described ditta khan as a violent man. >> the reason why he's here at 75 years of age is on the basis that he decided to flee the country in order to try and make good his escape and avoid being held responsible and accountable for his part in what had taken place . and let's be absolutely place. and let's be absolutely clear, he is clearly