far right.7 >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. yes, it's that saturday night of the year which is always given over to ridiculous outfits, dodgy dancing and high levels of camp than you get on rupaul's drag race. but if you're not a saturday vie fan, some event called the eurovision song contest is on one of the other channels. neil bucha, as always for benjamin butterworth, he's in yemen on yet another of his climate neutral holidays . but climate neutral holidays. but i'll be in, ben, i hear, as always, and we're joined by the brilliant broadcaster and journalist nichi hodgson and the fantastic political commentator alex armstrong . now you know the alex armstrong. now you know the drill. we each take it in turn to introduce a topic, and then the rest of us weigh in to tell them why they're completely

wrong about everything. your wonderful viewers never hesitate to jump in as well. send your views and post your comments on gbnews.com forward slash kwasi. and don't forget, ask your questions and get them in for ask the five. that segment's coming in hour two. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with . aaron. news with. aaron. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom in the netherlands. entry has been disqualified from the grand final of the eurovision song contest. singer and rapper used to. klein won't compete while swedish police investigate a complaint of inappropriate behaviour made by a member of the production crew . a member of the production crew. separately, ireland's entrant bambie thug miss dress rehearsals over what they've described as an incident which needed urgent attention from the european broadcast union. now, tonight's final takes place against the backdrop of huge

pro—palestinian demonstrators in the city of malmo. they're protesting against israel's participation in the contest. they're marching from the city centre and now gathering, as you can see outside the venue . fans can see outside the venue. fans are also arriving at the malmo arena. and here's what some of them have been saying. i think it's great that they have that the ebu didn't they didn't back down cowardly from the protesters, and they included israel and let and didn't like tamper with votes or anything. >> they let them through the final i understand it. >> i personally disagree with their involvement and a lot of their involvement and a lot of the stuff that's happened in the past 24 hours, generally in eurovision , like with the eurovision, like with the possible disqualification of the dutch representative or the videos coming out from inside the arena in general, it's become a bit too much. >> we're here to enjoy the stuff, bambi is here to enjoy it, and we're not bringing politics into it. >> i'm not particularly political, so i tend to stay out of it, and i think a competition like this, it's about bringing people together, not, you know, trying to cause a lot of

diversity. so, you know, i'm sorry, division. you know, i just don't think that's the right kind of attitude to have about eurovision. we have managed to avoid most of anything that's going on. >> and i think, to be fair, it's been a little bit exaggerated. and by broadcasting nothing against you guys . against you guys. >> now the israeli army has ordered new evacuations for various parts of the gaza strip as it expands its military operation. and more neighbourhoods in rafah have been told to evacuate to so—called humanitarian areas in the west, as some 300,000 palestinians have already left southern gaza. but israeli forces have also told residents in northern gaza to evacuate , in northern gaza to evacuate, prompting fears of an assault on two fronts. the uk and its allies have warned israel against carrying out a military offensive in rafah. a 17 year offensive in rafah. a17 year old boy has died after getting into trouble while swimming in the town of wellingborough. ronalds abeli was found in the water by rescue crews yesterday after reports he got into difficulty in open water at the embankment in northamptonshire.

police say it was a tragic incident and ronalds family have requested privacy at this very distressing time . a police distressing time. a police officer has been shot in the leg with a crossbow in buckinghamshire. the officer was responding to reports of a stabbing in high wycombe last night. he was hospitalised but has since been released. a 54 year old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder . he was shot by an armed officer. he's now in hospital under police supervision with potentially life changing injuries . a two men have been injuries. a two men have been arrested on suspicion of murder after two women died in a house fire in wolverhampton . emergency fire in wolverhampton. emergency services were called to a property in the dunstall hill area at 2 am. west midlands fire service says three other people were injured and taken to hospital. a sixth person was discharged at the scene. meanwhile drivers in surrey have been struggling with disruption because of a huge closure on the m25. it's an unprecedented closure, in fact, of the motorway , five miles between motorway, five miles between junctions nine and ten are

closed until 6 am. on monday. it's created a 19 mile diversion which is causing delays. as you can imagine, it's the first scheduled daytime shutdown of all the lanes on the m25 since it opened in 1986, and authorities in ibiza and mallorca have issued a new booze ban in an effort to crack down on what they call excessive tourism. the sale of alcohol in shops and off licences will be banned from 930 in the evening until 8 am. in some popular hotspots like magaluf, playa de palma and sant antoni. there will also be further restrictions on party boats in an effort to combat anti—social behaviour and booze fuelled holidays . it follows complaints holidays. it follows complaints from local people, those who break the law could be fined up to £1,300. and finally, if you missed the northern lights last night, which lit up the skies across britain, well, don't worry because they may return in your part of the country later. it is caused by charged particles hitting the different

gases in the earth's atmosphere, now normally only visible in the far north of the country. but tonight , hopefully it will be tonight, hopefully it will be clear where you live because they should be visible again tonight. sometime after half ten, we'll be best. and you can get more on all of our stories by signing up to our alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news corach rambler. now it's back to the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and you're very welcome to settle down and enjoy the liveliest debate show on telly. and actually, i'm the only northern light that you need, folks. so sit down and crack on. we'll crack on with tonight's first discussion. which reprobate is going to lead us off first? >> it'll be me, of course it's me, alby. a for alby is first, so later on tonight, it is the

eurovision song contest. over in malmo. and typically our uk eurovision entrant. olly alexander is so disgraced by our great union flag that he thinks it's nationalistic and divisive . it's nationalistic and divisive. i say make pop stars patriotic again . who can remember that again. who can remember that amazing performance that the spice girls did back in 1997, where geri halliwell wore that fantastic union flag dress ? how fantastic union flag dress? how times have changed, and i wish we could go back to a time where our great flag wasn't seen as something which was divisive. it was seen as something which was unifying, and someone who's representing britain on the international stage at the eurovision song contest . liv eurovision song contest. liv golf olly alexander should be proud to bear the union flag here. >> yeah yeah yeah yeah . >> yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> yeah yeah yeah yeah. >> nichi hodgson you are replacing benjamin butterworth this evening, as you well know it is your ilk. lefties that have a problem with this amazing

flag. why? >> well, i just want to correct your pop history for a while though, because actually i think about the sex pistols. they distorted the union jack. and then further back in the 60s, some of the 60s pop bands like the kinks, etc. there's actually been a long history of our popstars in the 90s, so i realise, yeah, i'm much older than you guys, but i mean, actually, if are you not a proper pop star? if you don't challenge the status quo, isn't it? that's what that's what it's actually about. it's not because they don't love their country or care about their country, it's just because they're trying to keep a kick up a fuss to look cool and different. and they have to kind of separate themselves from. >> last year, the eurovision entrant for britain, mae muller, said she hated britain. that's not that's not, that's not being anti—establishment. that's just being rude. well it's been silly when you're supposed to be representing the country. >> why do it otherwise? i kind of do take point on that. but i do think that, you know, just expecting too much of them, like they don't have to think for us. they just have to sing and dance for us. >> yeah, they're just kids.

out.by olly alexander is the same age as you. how old is he? >> about 30. >> about 30. >> mid 30. i'm 18. >> about 30. >> mid 30. i'm18. next >> about 30. >> mid 30. i'm 18. next week. >> mid 30. i'm 18. next week. >> 30s. >> 30s. >> i'm joking. no, they're just as, nicki alluded to. they're just young. i mean, there might be. olly might be 34, but he's clearly a very immature guy, which is a shame because i love years and years. i've seen them live at festivals. i thought he was great. i thought the band was great. i thought the band was great. i thought the band was great top tunes, but there just seems to be this trendy thing where if you self loathe the country you're from, then you seem to be in with the kids. i think actually these guys, people like olly and mae muller, they've got it too easy. life is too easy, so they just look for something to kind of rail against because they've got nothing else important going. this is a brit award nominated p0p this is a brit award nominated pop star, alex armstrong. >> do you think that when he next gets nominated for a brit award, you'll have to reject it because of the nationalistic and divisive word? brit >> no, because do you know what i think it is? look, he's part of the lgbtqia plus something community, right? >> the alphabet. alphabet? >> the alphabet. alphabet? >> the alphabet spaghetti mafia, right. so i think he's been properly indoctrinated by them, a bit like sam smith. right? you

know, he just comes out with nonsense. but i think it's part of his gig now to be anti—british, anti—british flag , anti—british, anti—british flag, because i don't even think he understands what he's saying, because i don't think half of these pop stars are political. they've got too much money and way too much spare time on their hands to be political. >> why is it cool? >> why is it cool? >> just because i think it's part of that political agenda. >> and what political agenda? >> and what political agenda? >> if he says, no, i'm very proud to be british. you'll have his alphabet spaghetti people come after him and he'll lose some of the people that are streaming his music. >> but geri halliwell did it very effectively. >> darren, this is a sickness that over the last decade or so, infected the west, that it's not just isolated to britain. there is a narrative that says that hate in your country is the progressive thing to do. and i think the left have got a real to case answer there for being utterly negligent and actually pretty harmful when it comes to actually speaking up for the values that this country represents. you know, it wasn't too long ago we saw in hong kong people flying the union jack, british nationals overseas saying, actually , when we have

saying, actually, when we have the jackboot of president xi at our throat, we want to be flying this flag and remember the values that were here when the british were actually are. well, i guess you would call it the modern language oppressor us. and actually we were their liberators. so all of these things, i think it just comes down to the fact that the bbc are part of this agenda. they hate this country and they keep selecting candidates that also hate this. >> i mean, the bbc would really refute saying they hate that. you would say that the bbc hates this country. what what evidence do you have to say that the bbc hates this tweeted, she's saying, i hate this country. >> that's pretty clear. stay. and this candidate today, this time around this year says that he, isn't proud to fly the union jack because it's nationalistic. >> nikki, what do you think? >> nikki, what do you think? >> no, no, no, i just think it's about children in pop wanting to rail against. >> these aren't children. >> these aren't children. >> they are, because they're so mature. you know, they haven't got life experience. they're just happy to be kind of singing and dancing on tv and for people

to look at them. and that's all it's about. and they just they just think, oh, i have to be a bit different. i have to be a little bit cool. and the only way i can do that is just to, you know, pretend that i don't believe this. can i just say i'm happy? >> i'm happy for olly alexander to do his thing. if it means we haven't got something akin to the irish entry, which is like very demonic and satanic, i think it's demonic. >> and so have you seen what he's doing for his act? he's dancing in a in a bathroom. is it a bathroom? or to be like some sort of sauna with a bunch of blokes touching him and rubbing him? riley british are you talking about? what is it that's not my concern. they don't look like that. i don't know what benjamin would do with sauna's. >> nichi hodgson. >> nichi hodgson. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> i think from the point of a date being a dating historian and knowing all about that stuff, it's been around forever. >> in that background, right? i'm gonna have my say next. and, folks, i'll tell you, you just got to laugh . meghan markle has got to laugh. meghan markle has found some ancient ancestry to nigeria through some 30 odd percent or something. apparently nigerian. you know, i went through my ancestry during lockdown when we all had, well,

self—isolation in enforced isolation in our homes and i found out that i have irish ancestry. so i say to the irish, i'm going to turn up tomorrow in ireland and declare that i'm home. welcome back. because that's exactly what meghan markle has done. she's made her entire identity to score some points on the old diversity checklist. now about nigeria. she thanked them for welcoming her home. now, some genealogists actually suggest that she might be ghanian and the sussex loving press are absolutely lapping it up . i think it's extraordinary. up. i think it's extraordinary. >> i don't think it's extraordinary at all. >> gain. >> gain. >> no, you don't understand african american culture in that sense because it's a really big thing for black people in the new world. so people who would have gone to america in the canbbean have gone to america in the caribbean as slaves initially and who are now, you know, descended from slaves to find out what their ancestry is. and then go back to that place and

feel like they are from somewhere, because these people, they can't even they can't track their ancestry back more than 100 years. they don't even have their own family name. now, i am of african descent that is not my experience. it's completely different. but i think for you to say it's outrageous that meghan's gone to nigeria and she says she's gone home. that is something that a lot of african americans do and a lot of black canbbeans americans do and a lot of black caribbeans do. and would you seriously say to them, it's stupid for them to go to africa and feel like they're at home? >> but meghan markle, i would say that why you just told us every week on week that multiculturalism has been this, this is nothing to do with multiculturalism. how is it? >> what's it got to do with multiculturalism? >> turn up somewhere and say, i'm home? >> no. what are you talking about, darren? >> it's the same as when americans , europeans come back americans, europeans come back to europe, britain, scotland , to europe, britain, scotland, like donald trump goes to scotland and says, i'm scottish, i'm home. it's exactly the same. and yet and yet and yet and yet when donald trump does that and talks about his links to this

country, you say , oh, it's country, you say, oh, it's a great thing i criticise. but when it's but when it's but when it's when it's meghan markle, will you let me actually you say no. oh she's being woke joe biden diversity. >> oh my god will you let me speak? joe biden turned up in ireland and declared he was home. and guess what? i criticised him then. he's an elderly white man, so how dare you try and make out that i'm somehow being some kind of bigot as you just i denied you, i didn't, trying to imply i didn't as you said, you're being silly, as you said, you're being silly, a race baiter. you're being silly . silly. >> you're being silly, i do you think actually , meghan markle is think actually, meghan markle is once again trying to make something all about her? yeah >> i mean, she's an attention seeker. i mean, everybody knows princess. yeah well, for goodness sake, i marry a warrior princess. but, you know, look, there is a point of americans not wanting to appear to be from the country that they're actually from. they go, oh, i'm irish, i'm scottish, i'm, i'm this and they're never english, which, despite the fact that a vast majority of the immigrants who went to america were actually english, funnily enough. but you know it. there's

two things that are striking to me. first of all, she's all of a sudden discovered this. i mean, she could have spoken to her mother and maybe her grandmother. >> that's how she found out. >> that's how she found out. >> but but she's just found out today. she just found out today. i'll be. come on. so she's making this statement today. by the way, it's disputed that the nigerian links are there. >> well, yeah. ghana there's a whole. so it could be the countries are very close to each release. >> the records like we need to we need to see some evidence. but you know she this is typical megan . it's not about harry ever megan. it's not about harry ever is it. megan. it's not about harry ever isit.even megan. it's not about harry ever is it. even though, you know he's the actual, you know, person doing this royal tour for his commonwealth games at the invictus games, which, you know, he's been a big supporter of and started it in the first place. so this should be about harry going there and building those relationships. and meghan's taking the story made it all by herself. >> aren't they opening a archewell, building or branch in nigeria? >> and they're doing well, the focusing massively at the minute on the invictus games, which i think is a really worthwhile cause. >> are they doing that? archewell branch in nigeria? i've heard they are, which sounds very reminiscent of the clintons going into haiti. and if you i'm not going to get involved now, but royal's

opening a charity in nigeria. >> how terrible do you associate it with? it strikes me that this is it has all of the prerequisites of being a royal toun prerequisites of being a royal tour. right. they're turning up, they're opening these ventures, they're opening these ventures, they were greeted by officials at the airport. it strikes me that they want to be royals without actually being royals in the working sense. >> well, she's just using a media pulling power, isn't she, to get to get a focus on it? i mean, this actually reminds me very much of that conversation about, birth certificates proving whether you actually were the president of the us. do you remember that with obama, it's like, how can you possibly know anything about meghan's genealogy apart from the only person that knows that is her and the people she's consulted? >> evidently not, given that it was only the other day that she found this out. >> it wasn't. it wasn't the only the other day she obviously has known elements of where she's from for years. >> she would have made absolutely everything. >> i remember reading about it at the time. >> it was on the other day. >> it was on the other day. >> it was on the other day. >> i don't agree with you, but do you understand what it means for the descendants of slaves to

realise where they come from and then go to that place where they came from? >> you can say that about absolutely everything. >> no, no, no, i'm not. i'm not speaking about i'm asking about. >> no, no, no, that's not that's not the point. irish ancestry, darren. that's not the point. darren. that's not the point. darren darren. >> that's not the. >> that's not the. >> are you just are you being deliberately obtuse 300 years ago. do you know how it feels to have been? >> are you being deliberately obtuse? >> i don't i think you are argument. it's not a silly argument. >> i'm asking if you understand or not and you don't, do you? >> just say no. what it's like to be a slave? no, i said, that's not what i said. >> that isn't what i said. that isn't what i said. >> but, darren, can you trace your surname back? 500 years? >> i can trace it back pretty about right? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so if you're descended from, if you were a slave and you were, you know, kept by a slave owner, then your surname isn't your name, and you can never find out. some people never find out. i have some good friends who are nigerian. and that's the thing they talk to me about all the time, but they just don't know what their actual name is, can i ask? >> i don't know why. why would you care anyway? >> because it gives you a sense of place, purpose, knowing where

you're coming from, identity vie. it's important. >> all right, still to come tonight is bank of england economist hugh peel. right? that immigration is causing the housing crisis . and should the housing crisis. and should the garrick club have voted to allow female members. but next, as natalie elphicke defects to laboun natalie elphicke defects to labour, are sir keir starmer's party becoming more and more like the conservatives you're with the saturday five live on

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we're live at nine. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, thank you very much for all of your emails and comments about tonight's topics. d has written in. good evening d . hello wonderful folks. it's only a union jack if it's on a ship. otherwise it's union flag . ship. otherwise it's union flag. thank you. >> my scout leader would be very angry. yeah. did i say union jack instead of union flag? i'm so sorry . so sorry. >> christine said. i cannot understand why persons who are not patriots of this country are allowed to use our platform to be entered into eurovision. i quite agree, it's all politics anyway and a load of tosh, but i get really angry to hear that our entry belittles our flag. yes absolutely right. and it's the bbc all overjack yes absolutely right. and it's the bbc all over jack says. yes absolutely right. and it's the bbc all overjack says. oh, the bbc all over jack says. oh, darren, next time . next time

darren, next time. next time you're getting dressed, please keep your eyes open and the lights on. >> ha ha ha ha ha. lights on. >>hahahahaha.| lights on. >> ha ha ha ha ha . i thought it >> ha ha ha ha ha. i thought it was eurovision. eurovision >> i didn't realise it was pride. yeah. >> can you believe darren mocks me for my fashion sense last week? >> his pants don't fit him. look at this. if we can zoom in on his, you can see his their crops cropped. his budgies died . cropped. his budgies died. >> hey. anyway, it's time now for our next debate. >> who's going next? >> who's going next? >> yep. i believe it's me. and are you a little bit confused because i definitely am. because it seems to me like the labor party have gone a little bit far. right? you know that word that's flung around for anyone who has common sense policies? well recently we saw natalie elphicke, the conservative previously mp for dover, crossed the benches to join the labour party. now it's a little bit rich because a lot of the labour

activists, particularly in doven activists, particularly in dover, called natalie a far right mp, for her views on immigration and everything else but has the penny finally dropped for the labour party? do they need to start winning those small c conservatives who make up the vast majority of our great country? well, i'll put it to the rest of the panel here. do you think that the labour party is going far? right. we've got obviously the big m15, you know, immigration is going to be stopped by james bond. keir starmer out in m16 , mi6, starmer out in m16, m16, whatever. one of them i see details . details. >> one of the you tried one of the he tried tried all that before. >> by the way they have it's currently a policy, right. the small boats command is currently a policy. >> so they're just repeating policies. >> darren, i want to know if you're going to join the labour party. >> well, do you know, let's not forget that at one point the labour party had one of the most leads in it. i'm not comparing myself to them, by the way, just to be clear. but you know, they

have had links to far right members of public life and all the rest of it. but no, i'm not going to join the labour party. they stand for net zero. they stand for open borders, mass migration. >> those are the tories. so there's no there's no difference. you're right. you're asking about the difference between labour and the tories. they are called the uni party for a reason and pretty much there's a cigarette paper between them. and actually, on a very serious note, the defection of natalie elphicke for me is a really damning indictment of politicians these days. i've said for many weeks on this channel and months that i believe lots of our mps are so low grade they wouldn't get jobs in any half decent corporate company in the real world. and i just don't understand how people like natalie elphicke can one minute claim to be a conservative, and then turn to be a socialist. i don't think you can change that . you can change that. >> a right wing tory. >> a right wing tory. >> why do you think the conservative party is full of valueless people now that just seem to decide whichever, whichever bench is going to be the next one in power and get a peerage every time they walk across the green. the green. those are the different green

benches. >> no, i don't think that at all. well then, do you agree with, with penny mordaunt that keir starmers are going to start endorsing people like enoch powell soon? i don't understand that question. what do you mean? >> well, what do you think? >> well, what do you think? >> do i think what do i think? >> do i think what do i think? >> starmers labour endorsing into the enoch powell territory? i mean, they're moving into traditional conservative party territory. territory. >> the tories, they just they just they just announced they just they just announced they just announced , they just just announced, they just announced a stop the boats policy, which is basically an amnesty for the 90,000 migrants that crossed the boat. >> since that crossed the channel since the small boat, the nationality and borders. >> what alex is talking about is multiple examples. for example, the use of the union jack again on all their election propaganda flag, union flag, union flag, apologies . flag, union flag, union flag, apologies. the use of flag, union flag, union flag, apologies . the use of the flag, union flag, union flag, apologies. the use of the union flag again to appear patriotic after years of people like emily thornberry, you know, pretty much calling anyone who flew the saint george's flag a racist . saint george's flag a racist. you had wes streeting today doing an interview with the sun, saying unbelievably , that he was

saying unbelievably, that he was somehow anti—woke. by the way, wes streeting , the guy who works wes streeting, the guy who works at stonewall, supports a black lives matter, said trans women are women. >> nelson hull was voted for by racists and fascists and islamophobes. >> let's not forget, nicky, this is all temporary . is all temporary. >> this is all tactics. it's literally just to get them through the door so that they're the leading party, and then everything will start to migrate. just all that's going to happen. the other thing about natalie elphicke is she's a career politician. if you actually even if you're a very honourable politician, what you like doing is working on, you know, cross parliamentary groups and, and thinking about what laws you can push through for your constituents . that doesn't your constituents. that doesn't actually change that much if you're on the other side. yeah. nicky, do you feel, nicky, that you should put i mean, if i was in power, if i was in politics, i would say to anyone who crosses the benches, you can't you won't be allowed to stand again and you won't be allowed to get a peerage or any, any cash or anything completely ridiculous. because if they're a good mp, it doesn't really matter which party they're sitting. we need them for democracy. >> do you not think that party should have people of values? because i think that we've got we've got countries that are being we're being run now by a bunch of corporatists who just

change their mind in this life. >> actually, it's the sign of being smart, is thinking actually, maybe i don't want to do this this way. i'm going to do this this way. i'm going to do this this way. i'm going to do this instead. >> do you think i just can't see how she's woken up one day and all of a sudden had said all these things about the labour party. it's called keir starmer. was it a soft, lovey, it's snoring starmer. and now she's all of a sudden endorsing him as the next prime minister. >> i just can't get my head around like, look, you've always got backbenchers in any party. they absolutely despise the current leader and don't agree with the policies and things that are being put forward. but they are whipped into their position. you know, they they're to told vote in certain ways. thatis to told vote in certain ways. that is just part of being an mp. >> you don't turn from being a conservative into a socialist, being a conservative for me. >> but keir starmer is not a socialist. he's not he's not a socialist, is he? >> he's being a conservative for me, isn't just some like on the surface, political thing. it's a deep value which is inherited in your very being. it's affected by your childhood, your upbringing, your surroundings and your present day circumstance. you can't just turn from a conservative to a socialist. she's for me. she's an absolute mercenary. and she's the she's the worst example of i'll tell you what it does call into question the whole premise

of the house of lords. >> i think it's a cronyist horrible second chamber that is corrupt. he really is being used in order to advance political. >> well, it's clear we're heanng >> well, it's clear we're hearing a lot of rumours about these mps who are leaving the conservative party going to laboun conservative party going to labour, all of a sudden waking up with a conscience to say, you know, the tory mp recently who was a doctor, right. he said, oh, now, now, now, now the tories are doing terribly on the nhs. despite being a tory mp for the last decade. >> just to ask nicky something very quickly, do you feel comfortable with the direction labour's going in because you had david lammy a few days ago in the in the united states of america, talking at a conference about how he was a good christian boy, a small c conservative, and shared some views with donald trump. you have natalie elphicke moving over from the conservative party to the labour party. you have the labour party going back on all of their policy ideas of nationalising things and eu free movement of people. are you worried about the direction of the labour party? >> no, because i still think it's only temporary until they hopefully win the election. >> so basically you admit nicky, they're they're a bunch of frauds.

>> no, i think it's what all politicians do always they're tactical about how they get the pubuc tactical about how they get the public to vote for the party. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> but labour is the problem here. the problem is with people like natalie elphicke. that's the point. these so—called defectors, keir starmer accepted her. >> is that not a problem? >> is that not a problem? >> no, because she's probably got loads of experience and he thinks tactical. no, no, just listen to me. she she thinks he thinks tactically that she will be able to give him, you know, get him into the mindset of the right. and if you were for a liberal organisation, you always want right wing people in it. you know what? >> i don't think you're wrong at all, nicky, but i see it's more damning on the conservative party that their own mps. this is meant to be the party of strong law and order on immigration, on the economy, and there's clearly no one voting for them. so, so where is the strong leadership from rishi sunak on these issues? because it seems to me that the, the electorate who would be voting for him aren't showing up to vote for rishi sunak and then they're obviously not inspired by his leadership. what would you say about that? oh very. >> i don't know if we have time to come back on a bit, but rishi sunak's plan is working. the economy is back growing, taxes have been cut and immigration will come down. we'll see what

happens at the election. >> okey doke. still ahead folks, is it all over for the days of men only spaces? as the garrick club voted to allow female members. next of all, though, our high levels of immigration fuelling britain's housing crisis because that was the view of the bank of england's chief economist , of the bank of england's chief economist, ben lear has some thoughts. you're with us after day five. live on

gb news. welcome back to the start of day five. as always, thank you very much for all of your interactions on your say on the meghan markle ancestry discussion , karen says at some discussion, karen says at some point, we have all been slaves. it did not start with the black slave trade, nor has it ended with the black slave trade. it still exists now. now, celia is not optimistic about a possible

sir keir starmer government. she says once he is in, he will give an amnesty and take eu quotas. yet that's what they're saying. he is part of the liberal elite and a globalist. wait and see. yeah cheery stuff, now the like my shirt . now yeah cheery stuff, now the like my shirt. now it's time for our next debate . who's going next, i next debate. who's going next, i think it's me, joseph. and the technicolour dream kick . technicolour dream kick. >> that's good. i'll get that one. oh, that's very good. >> okay. you could imagine. you could imagine my joy this week when, finally, the guys at the bank of england finally admitted what we've all known for many, many years, which was that mass migration, uncontrolled mass migration, uncontrolled mass migration, the figures in the uk in 2022, for example , 730 odd in 2022, for example, 730 odd thousand, is fuelling our housing crisis. who'd have thought? it doesn't take a genius to work it out. a report also showed that 89% of our

recent increase in the housing waiting list. i think it's like 1.5 million comes from new migrants who have just entered the country in recent years. so alby, why is it a surprise to people at the bank of england who are meant to be, you know, clued up and experts and all this kind of thing? why have they only just realised now and admitted that it's a mass, uncontrolled migration that's causing our housing crisis ? causing our housing crisis? >> i think it's probably something people have been saying for a long time. maybe within different institutions, but they've not actually publicly wanted to go out and say it because it's felt it almost feels like a taboo subject, or it has felt like a taboo subject to talk about immigration. quite often you get people saying that it was a racist topic to talk about wanting less migration. now you would get other people, for example , there's a chap called example, there's a chap called harrison from the iea who is very pro—immigration and pro house building institute and the institute for economic affairs. for those of you that don't know, wonderful institution , and know, wonderful institution, and he would argue that actually the

reason why we haven't been able to build enough houses to keep up with the demand of new migrants coming to the country is because of our very burdensome planning regulations. so i think there's two parts of this. immigration is too high and our planning regulations are too restrictive, which means we can never build houses in line with demand. >> i get that, and i agree, we're not doing enough to build houses. so knowing that fact, knowing we're not building enough schools, houses, there isn't enough doctors and hospitals, hospital spaces, prison places. why prison places? why are we then allowing so many people to come in? >> it was very it was a very bad idea. >> and also, by the way, nikki, you're you're ilk, the left gen z—ers particularly they make me laugh. they make me howl because one day they're sitting there saying, i can't get a flat. the rents are out of control. i can't buy a house. i can't start a family because i haven't got a house. and the next day they're all campaigning for open borders and they just don't seem to get it in their heads. that one equals the other. well, no, because the majority of migrants

end up in rented accommodation are very poor quality accommodation. >> they're not taking the nice houses that people buy to get on the housing ladder. they are not the housing ladder. they are not the majority of them, not the majority. >> some of the accommodation they're given, they're given new build, new build developments. but that's different. >> that's different. i'm not talking about social housing. i'm talking about the houses that people want to buy. right? the desirable houses, you know, a price point that people can afford to, to actually purchase. i mean, i think what's important to, to consider is that you said cause i think but actually they said fuel. so there's a bit of a difference between migrants adding to the problem. and migrants starting the problem. my migrants starting the problem. my point. >> so, albie, we know there's a problem because we're not building enough houses. fine. that's one issue. so then why would you keep allowing people to come in a city the size of birmingham every two years? where's the sense? well because the issue is, what we should be allowing people to do is to work and to pay taxes and to feed into the economy. >> and then we will be able to afford to build more social housing. but the problem is and help people get on the housing ladden help people get on the housing ladder, not asking, but but that's how a system that's broken. that's how a system that's broken. we should let migrants work. i believe that we

should let migrants in this country want to work. >> they want claiming benefits. >> they want claiming benefits. >> what a load of rubbish. i bet you're talking about. >> you're talking about small boat migrants here as an illegal, illegal migrants i'm talking about. but of course, there are the economic migrants that come over on work visas. >> of course they work, darren, we know that the myth, the migrants fuel the economy is exactly that. it's a myth. the latest gdp figures show before the ones that were released this week showed that gdp per capita, which is the truest form of a person's quality of life in the uk, contracted by 0.7. >> yeah. that's right. yeah. and despite immigration figures skyrocketing in the report, you mentioned by robert jenrick, it also points out that the kind of migration that's coming here now is entirely unproductive compared to the population already here. >> so that would suggest that we are there for what's quite interesting about that though, darren, as a brexiteer, i wonder what your view would be on this is that the immigration that we've had since brexit has been mostly from non—european countries, and the migrants on average are less productive. >> but when we were in the european union and people were coming from europe because of

free movement of people, the migrants were very productive. so how do you feel, having supported a movement which has caused the problems with migration that we have today? >> look, i don't think brexit has caused that. i think politicians have allowed that to happen. we need to build new homes every five minutes, night and day , in order to keep up and day, in order to keep up with the demand that's already needed, not never mind bringing more people into the country, because that it's going to be a crisis that we never solve. in this in britain. crisis that we never solve. in this in britain . yeah, but i this in britain. yeah, but i don't think it's brexit's fault. i think it's the politicians who we gave the power and control to who have said , all right, who have said, all right, australian points based system, which apparently means every bugger gets to come. yeah. >> but it's also issue . >> but it's also issue. >> but it's also issue. >> it's also issues like expats buying houses. it's people buying houses. it's people buying houses. it's people buying houses in small communities where locals should be able to have them like cornwall for example, you know, people just being priced out of their homes. and it's things like the greenbelt, you know, there's a lot of very rich people sitting on a lot of land in this country with, you know, they give no access to it to

anyone else. >> i voted greens in the locals because they're what they're pledging to stop a really horrible toytown development for the green party. >> can we just pick up on this brexit is right there for you. he has just voted for a party which would be a nasty party of britain. >> that's what they are. >> that's what they are. >> you know, look on the brexit point by the way. i think, you know, british people are also forward looking. we know there's going to be an amnesty for all these hundreds of thousands of migrants crossing over to, to europe. we know there's going to be an amnesty so those people will get european citizenship and then they will still come to britain anyway. it's still more difficult for them to do that today. on the second point, on house builders, a lot of these big house building corporations actually have plots and plots of land across this country which they are refusing to build on. and why are they doing it? because they're pushing up the values of the properties and these big buildings that they're creating. so there needs to be massive planning reform from the government. the tories really should be getting on top of this. >> and to answer your question or point, nikki briefly, do you know why, people reject nimbys that exist? yeah, because the toytown estates that they build,

these horrible new build estates, every house looks the same . it's vile. same. it's vile. >> people have got to live somewhere. we've got a crisis in our house. you can't make a decision about what brickwork you want to look at in the morning over the road. >> characterful homes. >> characterful homes. >> all right. okeydoke still ahead though. later tonight, nichi hodgson goes head to head with ben leo in the saturday scrap. there's a little preview for you should cry and babies be booted out of restaurant . let me booted out of restaurant. let me know what you think. gbnews.com/yoursay and the garrick club has voted to admit female members . has the idea of female members. has the idea of men only spaces had its day? you're with the saturday five live on gb news is

welcome back to the saturday five. your comments are flying in as ever, chris says so. we need an expert to tell us immigration affects the housing market. maybe we should also get the expert to explain that two

plus two equals four. germaine says. plus two equals four. germaine says . says did the sussexes take says. says did the sussexes take their children with them on holiday? sorry. humanitarian jolly saying how often they leave them. the children will have to look up their own dna . have to look up their own dna. >> that's brilliant. that's very , very good i appreciate that. well done. >> now it's time for our next debate. who's going to wrap us up ? up? >> it's me who ? no pressure. >> it's me who? no pressure. well, very excitingly , the well, very excitingly, the garrick club in london has finally voted to allow women to become members. it's 200 years old and it's taken them a while to catch up, but only 60% of them voted to allow women in. so that's 40% of the men that still don't get it . equality. i know don't get it. equality. i know it's really terrifying, isn't it? women are allowed to do everything now in, including have a drink next to you in the bar that you sometimes go to with your male mates. why do they care so much? it's very odd to me that they want to hold on

to me that they want to hold on to this bastion of male dominance and power, because what are they actually hiding in there? that's what i want to know anyway. so yeah, i mean, is it too little too late though? because actually there still are lots of bastions of power which are all male at the minute and maybe it's just not going to work. >> i think if i was a garrick member , i might have voted member, i might have voted against the change. >> why? i would have, because why? >> why can't men have men only spaces in the same way that women have women only safe space, and we need a safe space. there is there is a there is a woman's old club, an old ladies club, if you will. that wasn't quite. what's it called? the university woman's club. bingo. it was founded . it was founded it was founded. it was founded in, i believe , 18, it was founded. it was founded in, i believe ,18, in it was founded. it was founded in, i believe , 18, in the 1800s, in, i believe, 18, in the 1800s, around the same time the garrick was found, a lot of these gentlemen's clubs was founded. ladies clubs were also founded. do you think that the university women's club should have a vote to admit men? >> probably. and actually, really ? do you really think that really? do you really think that while we're on that point, the whole reason of women's clubs had to evolve or, you know, come into being was because they were not allowed to go to those

places. remember, women weren't allowed to have degrees at that point. they weren't allowed to get, you know, honours degrees at that point. >> but women can go in. there just can't be members, couldn't be members. >> i've got a very important question. so in some mosques women aren't allowed. are you going to petition, mosque. that's different . that's different. >> we're talking about spaces where business and networking is done. we're not talking about places of religious religious practice. >> why is a mosque exempt ? >> why is a mosque exempt? >> why is a mosque exempt? >> because actually, synagogues are exempt in some areas. why? >> because you can't have it both ways. you can't demand both ways. can't demand to infiltrate private mental private spaces and no, no, no, leave islam alone and say that you're not that they you're confused. >> you're confusing two issues. we're talking about business spaces where people get to network. hold on. barney, no, no no , but they get to hold onto no, but they get to hold onto their money. they get to do private deals that never see the light of day that women are never privy to. it's a bar. >> do you know what, though, bar? >> there is so many exceptional women in this country and they. judi dench is the one who's going to be joining first, i believe. right. why can't women get together and create an exceptional club? >> well, they do, they are

women's club. >> yeah, but it's not about that. you've got to remember that. you've got to remember that men still hold the majority of the wealth in the world. you know, we've got 21, companies where women are the ceos of and that's it in this country, you know, ftse 100 ceos. you still have to understand that. so much power, wealth, privilege. >> and even though men and we need to do everything we can to break that down, even the garrick club itself is really hard for men to get into. >> so now what we're doing is dividing the amount of members that can join. so you're actually what you're doing is suppressing the amount of women. >> alex. >> alex. >> ridiculous. because there might be some good women in the world. we've got to kind of keep this away . good enough. this away. good enough. >> it's absolutely fine for them to just very quickly men , men. to just very quickly men, men. hang on. let's just get this point across. white british boys, young men are the most oppressed in our country. they absolutely are. >> absolutely are. explain to me why the women get the hardest trouble getting jobs. there's no positive discrimination for them. and now we're saying, let's take another thing away from why do women get the best degrees? >> but do not earn the most in

business and are not hired to the best role? why? it's prejudice, but simply, nikki, i'm not taking perpetuate it. >> is that is this this called the garrick club really the cornerstone issue in feminism in 2024? >> it's not the cornerstone issue. no. nobody's saying that. >> you kind of said that. >> you kind of said that. >> i'm just saying it's very important to fight for, because all the problems we have as women can be because of the garrick club. they can be seen through the prism of what's happened. >> why don't very different. why don't you politely why don't you stop blaming other people for your problems? >> oh my goodness, why don't you stop blaming men for the oppression of women i don't know all the statistics about like rape and sexual violence and, you know, like how women don't own their own bank accounts. this is really serious childcare. >> but that's not women of the garrick themselves. >> that's men not being fair. let's let's just take a step back. >> how are we getting to rape and oppression from saying, i would just quite like to go to the garrick club and have a drink, because it's about power and rape and oppression , and and rape and oppression, and getting a good business deal are all about power. >> it's all about the same thing

underneath. women don't have the power that men do. >> i just think there was nothing wrong with it. >> women could go in and not do business deals and get privy to the best conversations and all the best conversations and all the rest of it. >> business deals were business deals because, well, for a start, they're told they can only go in certain areas within the garrick. >> that's the other thing. so you can't go everywhere. obviously not the loos. why can't you go and do your own business deals with your own? because we want to do with most powerful people, and they are men at the minute in this country because of how it's stacked against get to the point of sharing equality. >> when you actually start putting in positive discrimination, you actually get inequality. >> that's my problem with that. >> that's my problem with that. >> that's my problem with that. >> that's not what it is. >> that's not what it is. >> this is just basic fairness because you're well, you can say that. >> but if an institution is set up directly to support men, would you say the same thing about women's institutions and that they should also support key difference? >> we get a difference. and the difference is that women have been so oppressed and unable to access power and wealth and business deals for so long, they need to be able to catch up. >> don't you think that that's a that's a natural thing. but it has been inequality does not naturally for the last 50 years when you fight for it. >> so the key difference between

the arguments here is, nikki, you believe you're a victim and i don't believe i'm a victim at all. >> you've you've displayed that i didn't use that word and i didn't say that of myself. >> i didn't even bring myself into it. ben. you just. you said you were oppressed. that out of me? >> you said women are oppressed. >> you said women are oppressed. >> i didn't say that either. >> i didn't say that either. >> you did, i did. i was oppressed women. >> yeah, women as a sex or oppressed. >> so the difference is you consider women oppressed and victims of men and society. no. >> and that's a different. no, no, no, no, i don't say we. >> no, no you don't i look, i am we know how to disagree, i am i accept that i'm a feminist in this country. >> right. >> right. >> of course there's sexism in this country. racism. there is. yeah there is. >> victimhood has got nothing to do with it. that's what women, when they fight for right? >> to rule equality. when you put in policies that actually do discriminate against men, it's not discriminating against it is enjoying. well, no, of course that's true. but you're actually going to limit the amount of men that have to be good enough. >> you have to be good enough. and your gender doesn't matter if you now allow women in my main point was women. >> women are more than capable of setting up great clubs, and i think men should also be entitled to have their own spaces. >> i'm off to join the women's institute blouse you're wearing.

>> darren. >> darren. >> still to come on the show tonight? miriam cates mp will join us to discuss her upcoming debate this week on the impact of smartphones and social media. when it comes to children, what's your view? and we'll be going live to malmo in sweden for all the latest. as the countdown to eurovision starts . countdown to eurovision starts. don't go anywhere . don't go anywhere. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. >> hello there. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. looking ahead to tonight, most of us it should be dry and that gives us another opportunity to see the northern lights. so at the moment we have got high pressure clinging on. but that will move towards the continent as we go through the next few days, heralding a change to the weather. but before we get there, plenty of clear skies tonight away from the eastern seaboard. so yeah, an excellent opportunity to see the northern lights, especially

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the saturday five. >> it's saturday night and you're with the saturday fiver. thank you very much for doing so. i'm darren grimes and i can promise that you're in for yet another very lively hour . we're another very lively hour. we're going to crack on with tonight's big interview. now, this tuesday in parliament, there'll be a very important debate which will consider the impact of smartphones and social media on children and most secondary school children now own smartphones. but there's growing concern that this can have a negative impact with anxiety, bullying, self—harm and suicide all on the rise among young people. so what can be done about it? well, someone that's leading the debate will be the conservative mp for penistone and stocksbridge, miriam cates, and stocksbridge, miriam cates, and she joins us now to tell us more. good evening miriam. thank you very much for your company. now, miriam, why are you so

passionate about this in particular? and the issue of smartphones with young people? just how pivotal is this on on the really detrimental things that are happening to this generation? >> well, good evening, all of you , and thanks for having me you, and thanks for having me on. i'm passionate about it because i'm passionate about children. and i think partly that's because i'm a mum and i'm a former teacher , but also a former teacher, but also i think as a politician we have to realise that children are our future and if we're not bringing up our children, well, if our children aren't happy, if our children aren't happy, if our children aren't happy, if our children aren't learning, then really we don't have a future at all. and i think if we look at our children today and our teenagers, we can see that childhood has changed enormously just from when we were young . just from when we were young. and i think i'm older than all of you, but from when i was young and certainly from when our parents and grandparents were young, and i don't think it's necessarily changed for the better. i think in many ways it's changed for the worse, and one of the reasons that it's changed for the worse in recent times, in the last 15 years, has been the kind of ubiquitous nature of smartphones now for

children, and you mentioned that the vast majority of teens, i think 97% of 12 year olds have their own phones, even a fifth of three and four year olds in this country have their own phones. and of course, there are great things about the internet . great things about the internet. i wouldn't be speaking to you now if it wasn't for the internet. all sorts of things have changed for the better because of the internet. but the internet is not the same as a child having constant access to social media in their pocket and of course, we're not just talking about the kind of funny side of social media the cat pictures, the funny memes we're talking about, pictures, the funny memes we're talking about , the kind of talking about, the kind of serious harms that we would neven serious harms that we would never, ever allow our children to encounter in real life. would you let your child walk down a street? if they could see a beheading? if they could see a violent rape, would you let them walk down the street? if thousands of people were going to jump out of a shop and tell them to kill themselves ? we just them to kill themselves? we just would never, ever tolerate tolerate these kind of harms in real life. and yet our children have free access to them online. and if you look at the stats, whether you look at suicide

amongst young people, self—harm, depression , anxiety, porn depression, anxiety, porn addiction, being sexually abused online, all of these things have gone up quite significant since the start of children having smartphones. so i think enough is enough. we've got to rescue childhood and i hope that the debate on tuesday starts to get politicians thinking about that . politicians thinking about that. >> just one more from me, but i wonder miriam howe , what do you wonder miriam howe, what do you say to those who would say, well, hang on a minute, it's all well, hang on a minute, it's all well and good saying this. it sounds laudable stuff, but we also ban children from using vapes. they still use them. we also ban children from drinking alcohol . some of them still alcohol. some of them still dnnk alcohol. some of them still drink alcohol. we ban children from doing so many things that are bad for them. that still managed to actually access these things that are banned in law. how can you actually go about with a wholesale ban on smartphone use by by people who may well be able to access them elsewhere? >> no ban is ever 100% effective. that's absolutely true. you have to be 18 to buy alcohol in this country. but of

course, we know that some teens do get hold of it earlier. and i think we've got to be realistic. no ban will ever be 100% effective. but imagine if we didn't have a ban on the sale of alcohol and teenagers and children as they used to be able to do actually in the 19th century could get hold of alcohol and get drunk and become alcoholics. imagine the impact that that would have on childhood. now, of course , not childhood. now, of course, not every child is prevented from buying alcohol, but i don't think there's many people in the country that would want to go back to a time where we didn't have that ban on sale and alcohol, and i think it's exactly the same with raising raising the age for social media or raising the age to have a smartphone. of course, there will be some children who still get hold of them, who still manage to get on these sites. but firstly, i think we should be prosecuting the tech companies for allowing that. they are some of the biggest, most rich vested interests the world has ever seen. we'd clamp down hard on any off licence that was selling alcohol to 12 year olds. we should be doing the same with tech companies . the same with tech companies. but also we have this collective

action problem now because nearly all of our teens are on phones. many of them are addicted to social media, to gaming, to porn. it's actually affecting the whole cohort of children. so if we can get most of them away from this material, most of them back to kind of real world playing relationships, then that should have a positive effect on all of childhood, even if there are some children who slip through the net. >> okey doke. >> okey doke. >> hi miriam, great to have you on the show. >> i just wanted to get your thoughts on this because you've been quite critical of the government on their immigration policy, on their policies towards children and child care, on their policies towards stop the boats . so is natalie the boats. so is natalie elphicke. if you were going to defect, would you defect to reform or to labour? >> i would never defect to either of them. and you know, i am a conservative to my core. and yes, of course i have disagreements with my own party and i've spoken out on some of these issues . but, you know, these issues. but, you know, perhaps it's just my own perception. but personally, i think i have the conservative point of view on these on these

positions, on family , on on positions, on family, on on culture and those kind of things. and, you know, the conservative party is a very broad church. and personally, i think it's too broad a church . think it's too broad a church. and that has actually stopped us from implementing some of the legislation and some of the changes that we should have been able to do . but i am absolutely able to do. but i am absolutely able to do. but i am absolutely a conservative to my core, but you were, natalie, i would have thought, are similar kinds of conservative. >> you know, you're not on the opposite side of the conservative party to natalie elphicke. actually, many people probably think you and natalie elphicke have quite similar opinions. how can someone like that join the labour party is a very good question, and i honestly don't know the answer to it. >> and when i did see that she had defected, my first thought was is it to reform? so i was as surprised as anybody. and you know, who knows what's gone on and why. but i think what is very interesting is that the labour party have accepted her and of course, we know that the parties, as i've said, are a broad church , but there has to

broad church, but there has to be a limit to that. what is the point of the labour party if they have someone with deeply held conservative views like natalie elphicke, who, as you said, i agree with on a lot of things, and somebody like richard burgon, what is the point of a party that encompasses such a broad range of political views? what is their guiding principle? do they have a coherent philosophy? that's what i would be asking right now if i was a labour member. so yes, i don't know why natalie did it, but i think there are bigger questions for there are bigger questions for the labour party. >> all right. okay, i want to there are two parents on the panel. there are two parents on the panel . have either of you got panel. have either of you got a point on the use of do you think it's viable and a worthy to ban smartphones? >> i don't think it is necessarily. but what i'm interested in is how we're going to keep our children on top of technology if we take it away from them, how are they going to be competitive with other people in the in the global market if they haven't had the same access? okay. >> yes. miriam, how do you think we'll get around that one? >> i don't think we should be stopping using children using the internet. and i completely agree. in order to be skilled up, ready for work, of course they need to be able to use

computers. they need to be able to find their way around the internet. many of them will need to be able to program and use all sorts of digital technology. but the difference between using a laptop? let's say, or a pc and a laptop? let's say, or a pc and a family room or a computer at school , and having the internet school, and having the internet in your pocket is absolutely enormous . and i think one of it, enormous. and i think one of it, one of the reasons is that social media itself doesn't have any benefits for children. i mean, there's just no evidence that it benefits children and many, many pieces of evidence that it harms them. and one of the reasons for that is it's designed for addiction. so we all know what it's like. we're thinking about something we're trying to write a piece, you know, trying to write an article, trying to concentrate on work. and all the time in our mind we're thinking, oh, have i got a whatsapp notification? and even if you're not giving in to the temptation to look at it, your brain is consumed with thinking about it. and that is happening to our children. but a thousand times worse because their brains are not mature. and i think the average child gets 237 notifications a day. that's a dopamine hit every four minutes. that's distracting them from schoolwork . if you look at

from schoolwork. if you look at the international education scores, the people , the scores scores, the people, the scores that are used to compare, kind of attainment across the countries, they have all gone down since 2014, whether it's reading maths and science, it's not covid covid was a blip, but it started to go down when children started to get smartphones. it's not the internet, it's the fact that they've got it in their pocket. it's a it's an addiction factor. and i think policy exchange brought out a report just last week. the schools that have effective mobile phone bans have gcse grades 1 to 2 higher, 1 to 2 grades higher than the schools that don't. that's the impact of the smartphone phone, which i think is the problem. using the internet and getting digital skills is not the problem. it's the smartphone that poses the difficulty. >> all right. miriam cates rempe. thank you very much for your time as ever. have a good evening . now, nikki, i want to evening. now, nikki, i want to come to you because on that point of that, miriam was arguing there about, natalie elphicke and bringing her into the party and it being too broad

a church. do you think there's merit actually , to having some. merit actually, to having some. you said earlier. right. just explain that point. expand on that point. well, yeah. >> i mean, there is merit to having somebody who doesn't traditionally believe what your everybody else you work with believes because they can think about things that you've never anticipated. and, you know, i think about this in terms of, you know, war mongering where people want to fight another country. they often take hostage someone from that country, right, to give them intel and information . and i don't think information. and i don't think politics is any different, it's a really just just the whole thing is quite interesting. i do think it's a bit of a false pursuit, if i'm being honest. one parents shove ipads in front of kids at three years old or see it at dinner tables and restaurants all the time now. so do you think parents will be too happy about it? and frankly, this is more big state nonsense from the tories. i really applaud her efforts. i really applaud her efforts. i really applaud that she's trying to do something to help children, but it does go down. no, it's the parents responsibility to stop their kids from from from having mobile phones. they kids can't afford to pay £500 for an iphone. and that's what they've all got. they've all got iphone, but who's paying for it?

>> but doesn't the state need to protect children against bad parents? like there are many regulations and laws that are in place, but if we're talking about banning it for everybody, alba, you're going to punish the kids that do that do have good parents smoking is banned for all children. >> algorithms banned for all children, bad parents. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> i want to hear what a parent ben leo has to say on this. >> yeah, i think as a parent and i think nikki would agree with me on this, you have a unique perspective and i really think kids having access to smartphones at such a young and vulnerable age is one of the biggest threats to this country and actually the west and the entire world, because they affects so many things we've heard from miriam cates. they're talking about education, concentration on it's going to affect the schoolwork that for me, that's just one sliver of a very vast branch of negative things i've got. i'm a father of two young boys. i'm terrified of them growing up very, very quickly, very soon in the coming years. and having access to all sorts of horrible, vile hardcore porn you've got young girls whose first experience of sex is graphic hardcore. you know, i don't want to include parents

like, you can stop that. >> bad parents will buy them anyway, right? >> we're going to have to leave that there. but i tell you what. if, miriam cates had said she's defecting to the labour party, it wouldn't . it wouldn't have it wouldn't. it wouldn't have been quite as shocking as him to defect into the green party . defect into the green party. >> right. >> right. >> still to come tonight, we're going to be asking if i'd eaten is the way forward in the bunch of five. and nikki and ben will go head to head in the saturday scrap. but next, the eurovision song contest has very much been in the news this week. we're going live to malmo to get all the latest you with the saturday five

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five, as always. thank you very much for all of your comments about tonight's topics. regarding our discussion on the housing market earlier, karl says , i'm not sure where ben says, i'm not sure where ben gets his facts and figures. i'm assuming a happy feet ice cream stick. >> what's the harm? >> what's the harm? >> but at this point he seems

the answer to the to the right. what biden is to the left. >> well, i was i was talking about gdp , gdp per capita. about gdp, gdp per capita. >> all right. >> all right. >> and diana says, yes , i agree >> and diana says, yes, i agree that smartphone should be banned for children. it's far too much for children. it's far too much for the young, also detrimental to their mental health and also the cost involved. right. thank you for those. now it's time for us to head live to malmo for all the latest ahead of the eurovision song contest tonight, gb news reporter charlie peters is over. there are any protests at the venue tonight ? charlie at the venue tonight? charlie >> yes, darren. in the last moments, just in the last minute or so, there have been some scuffles between pro palestinian protesters who've suddenly emerged outside the venue and the police here who have formed a perimeterjust the police here who have formed a perimeter just outside the venue, just towards the edge of this square. here there is a gathering of people with palestinian flags and also some of the keffiyeh. >> the arab solidarity scarves that are often worn by

protesters . we did see some protesters. we did see some clashes here. a man is receiving treatment just a few metres away from me. it seems he has an eye injury or a facial injury after a scuffle with the police. no arrests as far as i can tell, but the police arrived very suddenly to deal with this swarm. now, earlier today there were thousands of protesters in the south of malmo. in a thousand strong protests that marched from the centre of the town towards a park in the west side. now, while the protests outside the arena have been, quite limited, the thousands that we saw in the south included some more extreme chants. we saw flags for the pflp, the popular front for the liberation of palestine, which is designated a terrorist organisation by the united states, canada , japan and indeed states, canada, japan and indeed the european union. so quite brazen to see the pflp flags on display in europe . and we're display in europe. and we're just seeing charlie seen people chanting for the end of israel.

>> we're just seeing charlie some live footage, live feed of the police really scrambling, actually, as the sort of lie—in, as it were, is being pushed at by, protesters trying to get through. i mean, it doesn't look like it's all a nest of singing birds, put it that way . birds, put it that way. >> yeah. there was a very significant scuffle here, and it comes on the backdrop of a chaotic day at eurovision. i mean, in the last 20 minutes, the finish vote announcer said that they would be withdrawing from tonight's performance. that comes just a couple of hours after norway's jury vote. announcer also said they couldn't get involved. the finnish representatives saying that it just felt wrong. we've also seen statements coming from the irish camp. they've said that there was some inappropriate comments being made by the israeli broadcaster a couple of nights ago. they've lodged a complaint and then eurovision meant to be a non—political event. we did see the french contestant deliver a

speech halfway through his final rehearsal earlier today, which referred to the motto of eurovision united by music and made references to a need for peace and other claims. this all going on at the same time. of course, as much of the world's focus in malmo is on the situation with the israeli contestant eddie golan as this is serious security presence are seeing here. gathers outside the venue to try and secure that perimeter. there has also been a tremendous effort to protect the israeli contests , and at her israeli contests, and at her hotel, we do know that the head of shin bet, israel's m15, flew out earlier in the week to provide a direct oversight of the security plans, quite a significant step amid the country's existential war in gaza and other zones in the near east as it tackles iran backed proxies. so it has been a day of total chaos here, 160 million expected to tune in. but while all of this madness is going on, everyone's talking about the

croatian performer lasagne baby, who is the bookies favourite to win lasagne, serving up a hot favourite song, lasagne baby. it's quite remarkable, i know, but here we are . and the second, but here we are. and the second, the second odds on favourite is an israeli contestant. by contrast , olly alexander coming contrast, olly alexander coming in for the united kingdom 175 to 1 with the bookies. keep the faith. >> yeah, so? well, there's no surprises there. and i mean, i don't know about israel, but if i were thinking that the finish had dropped out and they're saying they're not going to support us anymore and that the irish aren't either, i don't think israel are going to be crying themselves to sleep, put it that way. but look, i think israel stand a good chance, though, do you not, charlie ? though, do you not, charlie? >> well, they're certainly doing a significant pr campaign on their social media feeds , their social media feeds, israeli representatives and of course, aiden gillen. they're pretty confident. they think they're in for the shot. the bookies seem to think so as well. and if all this, all this chaos that we're seeing today

moves voters in one direction based on what we've seen, demands for israel to be shut down, the country to no longer exist, support for an extremist organisation such as the pflp . organisation such as the pflp. it might not necessarily swing european viewers in favour of the competing countries . the competing countries. >> well, we live in hope, but thank you very much, charlie peters, for that update there. stay safe as ever. now folks. any what a mess. >> any thoughts on that? you know what? >> where do you start? >> where do you start? >> where do you start? >> where do you begin on who we think might win eurovision? >> oh, no, not well yeah. i mean, you can answer that. i mean, you can answer that. i mean, but i just mean the sort of broader. what everything. >> i just think quite often when music and politics and everyone gets upset, i just think shut up and enjoy the music. >> that's all that comes to mind , because it's meant to be an event where people come together , they have fun, they listen to awful , you know, europop , they have fun, they listen to awful, you know, europop music and tacky outfits. a bit like darren's and i can't see. and then that's. and then that's what eurovision is about. it is

not about israel and gaza, you know, they're becoming the modern snowflakes , the palace, modern snowflakes, the palace, the pro—palestine protesters, aren't they? >> i mean, any mention of the word israel, and they're there with their flags and their protesters . it's just getting protesters. it's just getting ridiculous. this poor girl, she's 21 years old, 20 years, 20 years old. she's just trying to sing on stage. she's not conducting the war. >> do you do you think actually . >> do you do you think actually. eat, eat. is it eden? eden? golan becoming a proxy for the israeli government? 20 year old having to have the highest possible israeli protection and threats to her life. yeah. she was told to stay in a hotel. i mean, that must be like , mean, that must be like, psychologically for a 20 year old kid. you are a kid at 20. i'm sorry. i don't mean to sound patrick. >> no, no, definitely. >> no, no, definitely. >> but, yeah, i must. i mean, that must feel awful, right? >> well, i was writing about this yesterday, and the thing that i wanted to get across is you've got no idea what she actually believes, right? you've got no idea. you don't know what her connection is to the government. netanyahu. you know, the idf, how she votes. you don't know any of it. and also,

if she's in a very particular position on the world stage at this moment representing israel, that's a huge amount of pressure on her. and she probably just wants the politics to go away and to be allowed to do her job. and to be allowed to do herjob. >> she's very talented. >> she's very talented. >> yeah. and she's just a singer and a dancer and a performer. sheisnt and a dancer and a performer. she isn't a politician. she doesn't need to make a political statement about her country. just let her perform. >> the demographic of malmo where the event is taking place tonight is about 40, 50% migrant. so >> right. okey doke folks. still ahead. we discuss the big issues in bunch of five. has the support of rishi sunak sunk in the sales of his adidas samba trainers, and jk rowling weighs in on transgender referees. you won't want to miss that one. next of all, parents nichi hodgson and ben lee all go head to head on whether crying babies should be allowed in restaurants. you're with the saturday five live on gb

>> welcome back to the saturday five. thank you for your company . your emails have been coming in. and your messages. and a very nice one from james. james says hello . i've just tuned in says hello. i've just tuned in to tonight's the saturday five. first time i've seen it. i love the format, the panel, the presenters and the variety topic discussion. well, your £5 is in the polls. >> you forgot to read the bit where he said but not your top. darren >> very good. very much . now >> very good. very much. now though, it's time for this . though, it's time for this. >> yes indeedy. it's time for tonight's main event. we're used tonight's main event. we're used to cry and babies around here with benjamin butterworth on most weeks, but it seems they are not always so welcome. one woman has complained that her romantic night out was ruined by the constant din of crying babies , and called on the babies, and called on the parents to use deliveroo instead. well, who better to

debate this than the two parents on the panel? nichi hodgson and ben leo seconds out ding ding, it's round one. >> all right, nikki, i'll start. i just want you to tell me why you think it's acceptable to ruin people's dinners by having your crying sprog there. why can't you just leave them at home with a babysitter or a nanny or best if you have to bnng nanny or best if you have to bring them? i my policy personally is if my kid's crying, i take them out. if i can't sort it out, i just won't return and ruin the whole evening for the entire restaurant . why would you restaurant. why would you contest that? >> well, let's take babies rather than toddlers to start off with and say that actually, if they're little, it's very hard to find somebody else to look after them either. you can't find paid babysitters very easily. maybe you don't have family around. maybe as a mum you just don't want to leave your child with someone else because when they're really tiny, you have a lot of hormones circling around telling you to just cling on to that child at all costs. so if we ban babies from restaurants, we effectively ban mothers from restaurants . ban mothers from restaurants. >> no, no, i don't want to ban babies from restaurants. i'm saying that if you cannot control the baby, or you can't soothe it enough that it's not going to disrupt everyone else

who's paying very good money, probably in most cases, to be in that restaurant , probably in most cases, to be in that restaurant, you should leave and go home. >> most parents do not want to be in a restaurant with their own screaming child, right? >> so why would you do it? >> so why would you do it? >> well, past a point i, i, you know, look, we don't know how much the baby was actually screaming. >> is it just because this person has not got children that they have a particular, you know, vendetta against them , you know, vendetta against them, you know, vendetta against them, you know, if a child's really in distress and of course, the parent, you're going to walk out because you don't want other people to look at you like you're doing a terrible job anyway. but if you are a new mum, one of the only places you can go actually is a restaurant with your partner for a meal and actually , let's be honest, most actually, let's be honest, most babies are either feeding or sleeping. they're not crying . sleeping. they're not crying. >> okay, so would you if your own baby. i'm not sure how old your kids are, but if you had a baby or even a toddler, i've got two toddlers. well, one and a half's not a toddler, but if you had a baby crying in a restaurant and you couldn't soothe them, you took them out. you tried to sort it out, you came back in. there was still crying. what would you do? three, three attempts and then i'd leave. >> yeah, but you've got to give people a chance to settle them. >> yeah. okay. well, we're back guys.

>> fantastic. well, that was firing you . let's talk about my firing you. let's talk about my show. someone who doesn't have children . children. >> i actually really don't mind. >> i actually really don't mind. >> i actually really don't mind. >> i really i do. >> i really i do. >> no , come on, don't be. so >> no, come on, don't be. so don't be such a i do. >> i've got it. no, no no no on a second because it's. >> look everyone most people will be a parent at some point. a lot of people will be parent at some point in their life. and it's difficult. it's difficult to have children. i've got i've got a variety of brothers and i've seen them all at different stages in their life. some of them have been toddlers while i've been an adult, and it's hard work for a parent and they just want a bit of relief. and sometimes that means they've got to go to russia. >> i want a relief. >> i want a relief. >> i want relief from the stresses of day to day life. when i go out to a nice restaurant, when you go back to your house, yeah, but there's kids. there's even kids there in the morning. this is what i'm talking about. you you go there in the morning, there's children everywhere. and you just think, i don't want to be around all of these families, children screaming in the pool. i don't want it. i want to go somewhere to relax, to enjoy my food and dnnk to relax, to enjoy my food and drink and spend my hard earned

money doing something i want to do without some, without some baby, you know, screaming in my ear. but the thing about raising these children is that they are going to be paying for your pensioners, sorting you out in your old age. >> you know, that's how it works. no one, whether the children wants mass immigration. >> i don't know if you realise we do offer support though. >> well, nikki, do you think actually this is becoming a deterrent for people having kids, like the pressures of all these kinds of things where people are saying, well, actually, i don't know if i can ever go to a well, especially dunng ever go to a well, especially during the early stages of infancy, of actually being able to go to a restaurant and things like that because you're so worried. >> are you joking? >> are you joking? >> this is really interested to know this is interesting because actually i took my daughter when she was six months old to valencia in spain. she came out every night with us and ate tapos, you know, at 9:00 with all the other spanish babies, got on with it and was great. and the reason she was good is because she was actually in that environment and she got used to it. whereas actually here, because we are afraid of taking children out to restaurants, they never get good table manners at a young age. and they

never get used to being told to be quiet and all the rest of it. so actually, we're afraid of having families around us and as a result, they behave worse. >> so do you think actually discipline's the problem as well? in part , yeah, partly. well? in part, yeah, partly. >> and just exposure, you know, just not making a restaurant a weird environment. yes. >> okay. i mean, do you agree with that as well? >> yeah, generally look, i say this as a parent, but i would go for dinner. of course, i'd go out for lunch with my kids and maybe, you know, a cheap dinner with my kids, but particularly at an expensive restaurant. or if i'm on a date night with my wife or something like that. i don't want kids around. leave your kids at home. and also, there's nothing worse than having feral kids running around restaurants. some parents let them just run around in between chairs. getting under your feet like i do think that they're like, they're like dogs. you're just like under your feet. toys everywhere, demanding ipads. you know, if i if it's a particularly special night. and again, i say this as a parent, leave your kids at home, pay for a babysitter or a nanny, or if you can't do that, don't come out. but i also i also hate it

when i see parents out for dinner with their children, and the two parents are on their phones and the children are on ipads. >> i just think, well, what's the point? >> what's the point? >> what's the point? >> especially when miriam cates is sat in the car. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> still ahead, we answer all of your searching questions and ask the five. i can't wait, but next in bunch of five, should you use an ai concierge to go on loads of dates so you don't have to. and sales of adidas samba are dropping that on rishi sunaks feet. for those watching on tv , feet. for those watching on tv, is prime minister rishi sunak to blame? you're with the saturday five live

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. your comments are flying in as ever. thank you very much. on our your say page , sheila on our your say page, sheila says if meghan is 43% nigerian, then she is 57% something else.

to which paul replied the 57% is grifter . grifter. >> haha, that was funny. >> haha, that was funny. >> now francisco says on the subject of babies not being allowed in restaurants, they also shouldn't be allowed in first class lounges. i agree or first class lounges. i agree or first class lounges. i agree or first class flights are well , no first class flights are well, no no no, that's classism. >> that's all to do with babies . >> that's all to do with babies. >> that's all to do with babies. >> that's all to do with babies. >> that's the whole point of the class system is classism anyway, isn't it ? isn't it? >> they just learn it young. >> they just learn it young. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> francisco is living quite the life as well. thank you very much for watching from the first class lounge of wherever you are. and wally says , hi, nikki, are. and wally says, hi, nikki, if you are a young mother with a baby going to a restaurant, then you do not have a coffee. >> well, i'm not young for start, so you know, i can't say the rest of it. >> no. >> no. >> right now it's time for this. didi, it's the bunch of five who's going to start us off? >> i am, i saw this absolutely hilarious video on twitter. that turning point uk reposted. just

have a watch and then we'll chat about it . about it. >> it's currently 3 am. this is a rear square . it's actually a rear square. it's actually abercromby square, but for some reason that's part of palestine now. and we're we're going to give them a nice little wake up call. let's go laser laser tag. >> this during rule britannia . >> this during rule britannia. britannia rows away . britain britannia rows away. britain neven britannia rows away. britain never, never, never will be safe i >> -- >> so this 5mm >> so this was a student at a british university who went to one of where the pro—palestine protests voters were sleeping on his university campus. he blew a foghorn and then started playing rule britannia, as you heard just then, to wake them all up . just then, to wake them all up. after all the disruption that they've been causing in that

university town. and to all of the students, especially the jewish students at that university . so quite funny. i university. so quite funny. i thought that's why i brought it up. what do you make of it? >> the guy, the student who was doing it says to this guy, this guy accosts him and says, what are you doing this for? why are you doing this at 3 am? and he says , are you a student at this says, are you a student at this university? and the man said, no, no . and i thought, well, you no, no. and i thought, well, you can't tell him to not play music when you don't even have a right to be camping out on the lawn. the university lawn. >> yeah, it's all a bit odd. i mean, i love a good protest, a protest at many, many a time in my youth, you know, was there a fight against chirac and all the rest of it? and obviously i'm a left wing , but i don't know. left wing, but i don't know. would i care if somebody do that? i just be thinking of the next thing that i could do to get back on him. i mean, it's a bit of a game, isn't it? >> it's counter—protests. right? yeah. it's great, i love it. i love the patriotism in it. as well. >> i think that really wind them up, really wind them up. >> he's done well. good kid. right, nicky. >> oh, excellent. right. so so, would you like a computer to pick your potential mates for you? well, this is what whitney wolfe of dating app bumble is

suggesting. she wants i to troll through hundreds of profiles and find the right person for you are. >> the share price of bumble is in the gutter , by the way, under in the gutter, by the way, under her watch, so sounds like an awful idea as , reflected in the awful idea as, reflected in the share price. >> i think dating apps have ruined dating, and i've actually now i talk to people in the gym rather than use apps because i just, i just, i just don't i've been on apps for such a long time and it's not been successful. and i don't actually think we need ai successful. and i don't actually think we need al to help us date. i just think we need to talk to each other more. >> we need more humanity. >> we need more humanity. >> you know, i've seen some really interesting innovations with al and dating, and actually it might actually improve the current swipe system and make it find people who are more like you as a person, which. so i'm not saying i'm not listening. i'm not i'm not agreeing that it's ideal to use technology to for dating, but it actually might help you get a more compatible person. >> the algorithm is terrible. >> the algorithm is terrible. >> yeah, but yeah, but the problem is historically right. we've tried to do this algorithmic thing like pick up, you know, get what qualities make the perfect partner for each individual. and it doesn't work. we've been doing it since the 1960s. that's not what works. what works is actually

talking to someone, giving them a chance, getting to know them. and i met my husband on a dating app' and i met my husband on a dating app, it was a it was a, you know, a terrible geolocation one. so it's basically like a stalker app. and i asked him how he picked me, and he was like, wasn't grindr, was it? no, it wasn't grindr. he, he said he just kept he was a matter of numbers. and i just happened to reply, it is not really anything flattering, but it's about meeting. >> there's so much you can't tell about a person until you meet them, what they smell like, their body language. there's so much just that you just pick up on by being in the same space as someone. >> i think people need to put down their phones and technology when it comes to romance and get out and just meet people. >> well, i don't know about that. >> your your wife just found out that you vote for the green party, right? >> i don't even know what the green party is. trust me. >> yeah , but i think i think >> yeah, but i think i think there's a you know, it's sad the way that people just can't approach someone in a bar anymore or on the street or go up anymore or on the street or go up to a woman and say, oh, hi, how are you doing? >> do you fancy a drink? like, it's just everyone's so pathetic and mute. it's okay. >> right. lucy clark is the world's first openly transgender referee , and now lucy clark has referee, and now lucy clark has made history by becoming this

first trans manager in the top five divisions of english women's football. now jk rowling got involved. he's on screen now for those watching, jk rowling said when i was young, all the football managers were straight, white, middle aged blokes, so it's fantastic to see how things have changed. hahahahaha. judging by that picture, well you can't changed but you can't see from that picture how broad her shoulders are. >> yes, yes , it's quite >> yes, yes, it's quite something, really. >> i mean, i don't always agree. >> i mean, i don't always agree. >> i mean, i don't always agree. >> i don't agree with j.k. rowling and everything, but she she is funny. she highlights it. she highlights it. >> she pretty well in that picture. she is funny. >> well, yeah, i don't know. >> well, yeah, i don't know. >> it is quite funny. but at the same time it is just bashing trans people, isn't it. it's just a bit cheap and easy. >> oh i don't know. can we get that picture up again for, for just for just for a second. but don't we like cheap and easy jokes. well i you if you look at that. this that's a wig. that's what's happened to you. yeah.

>> we've just been really is a lot of people wear bad wigs? >> i mean, think about all the politicians with terrible wigs, but they get called out for it, don't they, though? >> that's the thing. >> that's the thing. >> to be classed as a woman, right? are we not saying that some something really derogatory about. >> well, there's a lot of, there's a lot of cis women with terrible hair. >> well so cis probably one of me, you know, it's just like, i don't know, it's like amusing. >> i don't know, i'm gonna be the benjamin butterworth for the evening, obviously. just be like, i think it's disgusting that we're all mocking trans people. >> well, that's why we pay you the big bucks. then it's your turn. get your wig on. so apparently i really famous insults and phrases from a great british favourite. only fools and horses is, are going extinct. phrases like pillock , extinct. phrases like pillock, plonker, and, you can see the word on the screen there. i'm not sure i'm allowed to say it under ofcom rules, but it rhymes with dos and ends with pot, so they're among the british insults. >> just in case you can't read or listening on the radio at risk of dying out, top of the

list of words that people, young people especially hadn't heard of was lummox , which flummoxed of was lummox, which flummoxed 62% of people under 28. and it means a clumsy or stupid person, and just over half had never heard of that term. and blighter was third on the list, and it stumped 54% of young people. wow, wow. who, of course, is a lot . i've never heard of that. lot. i've never heard of that. >> really? >> really? >> have you not? never. blighter. >> yeah. have you not heard that before? i've never heard it. >> and i've light on wartime euphemism. >> no, i know blight, but not a blighter. >> yeah, i've heard all of this before. but lummox, i certainly haven't heard that for a while. actually have to say no. no you say it. >> yeah, i quite like prat. yeah. >> people use prat. darren is such a prat. >> are you. >> are you. >> do you know we could, we could, we could use these words to insult each other because they're all ofcom compliant. >> aren't they. >> aren't they. >> yeah, but not the one rhyming with dos. >> no. you can't say that. >> no. you can't say that. >> that was already on the screen anyway. >> yes. i wonder how they come up with those horrendous silly rules, aren't they? >> as some of the younger people on the panel, do you, albie and alex, do you, do you watch only fools and horses? >> do you? alex? what is it? >> do you? alex? what is it? >> i'm 33, so i'm actually older. darren. >> how dare you? i'm you know

what? >> i'll take it. >> i'll take it. >> i'm gonna take that. >> i'm gonna take that. >> i'm gonna take that. >> i look younger than half the half. >> the fantastic woman who loves only fools and horses. >> do you ever watch it? have you watched it? >> i've watched it. yeah, yeah, yeah. brilliant. i've never seen it. i grew up who was in? who was in it, david, he was david. jason. is it? yeah yeah. >> david. jason. >> david. jason. >> and, who was rodney? >> and, who was rodney? >> nicholas. >> nicholas. >> long. lintas. >> long. lintas. >> lintas. they go . >> lintas. they go. >> lintas. they go. >> they're all just words. >> they're all just words. >> yeah. so relax. yes. do you wear a pair of adidas sambas? >> if so, have you thrown them in the bin in the last week? because since rishi sunak was pictured wearing them, adidas share prices crashed 11% quicker than darren crashed ralph lauren. this evening after wearing that shirt. so i think if there's any soundbar available , i promise any available, i promise any soundbar wearers here on the panel tonight. >> no, no no. >> would you buy a pair now, nikki, now you've seen rishi sunakin nikki, now you've seen rishi sunak in the first place, why would you be more latino darling? >> so just like, would you be more deterred now if i said, right, it's a pair of sambas versus another brand. >> i said, you get them for

free. >> yeah, but i do my research. i don't look to people for inspiration. i just go with what i want. but if he's wearing it, then i don't want to wear it. that's true. yeah. >> what was your ben you've been. >> this is as a consequence of the prime minister wearing. >> well. why not? why wouldn't it be? i mean, i'm not saying who's taking style tips from this guy, but as one hoodie, i actually like, you know, i can't dress stylish. >> i bet you he wishes he was influencing his polling numbers rather than his influence in the sale of trainers . sale of trainers. >> well, maybe he needs to think about a connection there. there's probably a deal he could do with adidas. i'm sure. >> ben, what were you going to see, i can't remember. i was going to say. i think rishi sunak dresses quite well . snazzily. >> yeah, i think he's quietly for a prime minister >> i mean, look, don't you remember boris johnson? i mean , remember boris johnson? i mean, he looked terrible. theresa may was a smart dresser, but i think rishi sunak is probably our smartest dress. >> watching boris male prime minister going for his morning runs. >> i thought it was absolutely hilarious when theresa looked great under theresa may being photographed in number 10, wearing a full leather outfit. >> yes, 10,000 in vogue. >> yes, 10,000 in vogue. >> i thought it was. i thought it was brilliant. i thought she looked hilarious. i thought it

was great. she sat there, she had her, the wind blowing her hair and the bit of the hair that was there. >> and he said, what's really quickly interesting about this story is keir starmer. some of his outfits as well have since he's worn them though have gone up. they've pushed some of the share price up for those brands. so interesting. interesting. >> we just why can't we have hot politicians ? wouldn't that be great? >> i'm not elected yet, abby, and he will be standing for the green party. >> so long, long way off. yeah. no >> right. okay. it's almost time. we're headed off. but first of all, it's time for this. let's have a gander at what you've got for us. this week. the first question is from sally. sally says hi , u5, great sally. sally says hi, u5, great to see nikki on the show. this hot weather got us arguing about a very important topic earlier. which is better , a lolly or an which is better, a lolly or an ice cream? >> oh well, i'll answer this because i treated the whole office to ice creams and lollies earlier. i was feeling kind and i bought some twisters . it was i bought some twisters. it was a choice of ice twisters or

clippers and i was thinking is a twister an ice cream or a lolly? a lolly lolly? but there is some ice cream in there. yeah. interesting. >> no wonder you're on ice. almost >> i've got to afford all this ice cream. do i prefer ice cream or lollies? do you know, i think i prefer ice cream . i think i i prefer ice cream. i think i prefer ice cream, nikki. >> yeah, definitely ice cream every time. alex. >> lollies. yeah, i know, i think i'd say ice cream as well. >> ice cream. >> yeah, yeah. why do you like lolly so much? >> because it's just like once you've eaten a meal, it's an ice cream on top. that's quite a lot. so a lot of it's just like water and sugar and do you bite lollies or do you suck? yes, yes. bite >> because we're having this conversation in the studio. >> all right. tommy has written in and tommy says, hi everyone. i'm planning an avengers marathon with my housemates tomorrow. if you could pick, i hope that's not an avengers question. if you could pick a superpower to have yourself, which would it be? >> oh, i have this one in the bag. reading minds. i mean, how how useful would that be for this show? i can know exactly what you're thinking before you're going to see. you want to know my readings? no, i think

that'll be so fascinating. yeah, absolutely. but you probably hear a lot of things about you that people think you wouldn't like to hear. >> i think i'd like to be invisible and just mooch around and pervert. >> i knew that was coming . >> i knew that was coming. >> i knew that was coming. >> i knew that was coming. >> i think i you can listen. i think i'd like to be the i'd like to know everything. i'm very curious person , i don't very curious person, i don't mean by snooping around, like being leo in people's homes. >> mine would be to be able to clean while asleep so i don't have to think about doing it. >> it would be sorry . >> it would be sorry. >> it would be sorry. >> be able to clean up while asleep, nicky, that's the worst superpower ever. not the most female oppressed i've ever heard. >> if you are a feminist and a time pressed mum, that is superb. >> that's just so she can go to the garrick. >> you know, it's all hiring, hiring cleaner. >> it's the same power. it's. it's the same thing with what would my superpower be. i'd quite like to be able to fly, think. >> i thought you were gonna say i'd quite like a conservative party seat. i quite like i quite like to meet david cameron for ten minutes. >> i've met david cameron for

ten minutes. >> okay. all right. sorry. it was only a joke. alvin, thank you very much. >> to our guests tonight, nichi hodgson and alex armstrong. and, of course, to all our brilliant viewers. mark has written in and mark says those insults are not dying out. i often shout them at woke idiots on gb news ps not you darren. >> what about me? >> what about me? >> we'll do it on your behalf. it's brilliant. >> leo kearse thank you very much for watching. we'll see you again next week . again next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. looking ahead to tonight, most of us it should be dry and that gives us another opportunity to see the northern lights. so at the moment we have got high pressure clinging on. but that will move towards the continent as we go through the next few days. heralding a change to the weather. but before we get there, plenty of clear skies

tonight away from the eastern seaboard. so yeah , an excellent seaboard. so yeah, an excellent opportunity to see the northern lights, especially across more northern parts of the country. and despite the clear skies , and despite the clear skies, it's going to be a mild night for most of us. temperatures in towns and cities firmly in double figures. so for most of us, a bright start on sunday morning, quite murky across some northern and eastern areas. but the low cloud will gradually burn its way back towards the nonh burn its way back towards the north sea. showers breaking out fairly early on across parts of northern ireland and then as the day goes on, parts of scotland, wales, england, down towards the very far south—west, seeing a few thunderstorms developing . few thunderstorms developing. some of these will be torrential. warnings are in force as we go through the course of sunday. in the sunshine, though, temperatures reaching 27 degrees. but then on to monday. another band of rain moves in from the southwest that takes a fair time to get anywhere further north then wales in the southwest. so for the rest of us, it's a day of sunny spells and scattered showers. that sets us up for a

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hello there. coming up in the saturday night showdown. it's all kicking off at the eurovision song context contest. there are satanic witches on stage. and greta protesting outside. i might actually watch it this year just for the fighting. and piers morgan is under fire for an interview with the real life martha from baby reindeer, an overweight, deluded narcissist desperate for anyone to pay attention. but enough about piers. we'll have the reaction to the interview with nearly all half of all cancer cases linked to obesity is it time to bring back fat shaming?

this is your saturday night showdown and discussing all tonight's topics with me are my brilliant panel topics with me are my brilliant panel. ryan mcdonnell, chloe dobson, andrew eborn. but first, let's get your latest news headunes let's get your latest news headlines from aaron armstrong . headlines from aaron armstrong. >> thanks, leo. good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom, united by music . gb newsroom, united by music. that's eurovision's motto. but the build up to tonight's final has been anything but united amid incidents inside the arena and protests outside the netherlands. entry us klein's been disqualified. the dutch broadcaster says it was over a threatening movement he made towards someone who was filming

him , reportedly against his him, reportedly against his wishes. ireland's