it's 9 pm. this is patrick christys . tonight with me. christys. tonight with me. >> ben leo to pay tribute to jeremy corbyn, who's a friend, as well as a colleague . as well as a colleague. >> will the real keir starmer please stand up.7 rishi sunak.7 today, sound of the alarm on the labour leader. i believe that we will keep this country safe. >> and keir starmer's actions demonstrate that he won't be able to do that. >> so is britain safer with the tories.7 >> and october 7th happened and, you know, the hamas thing. but the zero, dear gobby gary lineker strikes again. >> i have a major gb news exclusive on the bbc licence fee. next plus . should just stop fee. next plus. should just stop oil and troublemakers like them be banned alongside terror groups. also tonight . should uk

groups. also tonight. should uk universities call in the police to break up gaza protest camps.7 meanwhile . he's invisible. so meanwhile. he's invisible. so i've got the latest from harry and meghan's cosplay royal tour on my panel tonight, it's daily express columnist carole malone, former labour mp bill rammell and political commentator suzanne evans. oh, and eurovision really was the stuff of nightmares. >> the world has spoken. the queers are coming . queers are coming. >> strap yourselves in. let's do this. your millions wasted on bbc bailiffs . next.

bailiffs. next. >> ben. thank you. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom. here are the top stories. rishi sunak has warned that giving sir keir starmer the keys to number 10 would leave the country less safe. the labour leader rejected the prime minister's claim, saying that as a former director of public prosecutions, he knows the importance of security first hand. but rishi sunak says only the conservatives have bold ideas for the future. >> despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future , labour have almost the future, labour have almost nothing to say about it . no nothing to say about it. no plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either. and no principles either. keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all in the cynical elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they've u—turned on. >> the health secretary has

defended the government's record on maternity care after a major new report revealed endemic failures at hospitals. it found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience , with some an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and even denied pain relief. the birth trauma inquiry is calling for a national plan to improve services, led by a new maternity commissioner, who would report directly to the prime minister to the us. now and donald trump's former lawyer has taken to the witness stand at his criminal trial, michael cohen told jurors today he and a tabloid publisher blocked any negative stories that could damage trump's 2016 campaign. mr cohen used to be one of the former president's most trusted colleagues , but he's now the colleagues, but he's now the prosecution's star witness at the so—called hush money trial as it enters its fifth week, a man is facing life in prison for murdering a woman during a series of violent attacks in

south london. 34 year old mohamed noor was armed with a makeshift blade when he attacked johannetta cote d'ivoire dogbe in broad daylight last may. he admitted her murder and having a blade made from scissors, but denied carrying out similar attacks in the days before her death , the king has officially death, the king has officially handed over the role of colonel in chief of the army air corps to the prince of wales , in to the prince of wales, in a rare engagement involving both the current monarch and his heir, his majesty formally handed over the title he's held for the past 32 years. the king said it was a great joy to meet servicemen during today's visit to middle wallop in hampshire. prince william will now represent the army's air wing, which includes the unit once served in by his brother. those are the top stories, and for all the latest, do sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to ben .

back to ben. >> the bbc is spending an astonishing, astonishing £42 million of public money chasing licence fee payments from the poor and vulnerable . in a gb poor and vulnerable. in a gb news exclusive, i can reveal the massive spend is going on the beeb's quote simple payment plan service to collect the newly increased licence fee, which is now £169.50, having jumped, of course , from £159 last month. course, from £159 last month. details of the contract have been published in a tender, which makes clear how the bbc will target skint households who aren't paying up . it says the aren't paying up. it says the simple payment plan provides a payment scheme for a selected group of customers that is simple, affordable and flexible to deliver against these key features. the plan has been designed to, quote target low income households to help increase revenue income and reduce both first time prosecutions and repeat offending, it adds. it will also allow customers to spread their

payments over the 12 month term of their licence, which ever ferm wins. the contract will have responsibility to collect the fee and make sure it's paid by threatening fines and bailiffs . one gb news viewer. an bailiffs. one gb news viewer. an 84 year old woman got in touch with us after receiving what she described as frightening letters from the bbc, pressuring her to sign up for the new payment plan. the letter, which i've seen it, reads your tv licence has been cancelled because you've not paid for it. now time is running out. you can make a fresh start by joining the simple payment plan, but if we don't hear from you as soon as possible, we'll pass your details to one of our enforcement teams. if they find evidence you're breaking the law, you risk prosecution and a fine of up to £1,000. collectors chasing licence fee payments have also repeatedly been accused of bullying the vulnerable, including war veterans and a young mum in a women's refuge. so as a reminder, that's £42 million of licence fee money. your money

being spent to demand society's poorest and vulnerable people pay poorest and vulnerable people pay nearly £170 a year to bolster bbc coffers . and what bolster bbc coffers. and what are we getting for our buck.7 not are we getting for our buck.7 not a lot. by the looks of it. over the weekend, the writes on metro newspaper bizarrely claims that doctor who, whose new star is black and gay, by the way, was never made for straight for straight white men. i guess the bbc's hyper woke agenda is now an open secret, of course, and then there's gary lineker, who is ludicrously paid £1.3 million to talk about football. and when he's not doing that, he plays up to the hard left with deeply offensive comments like this from saturday. >> constant images of children losing their lives day in, day out. now, obviously we all know what you know. october 7th happened and you know the hamas thing, but the hamas thing. >> good grief. and isn't the great selling point for the licence fee the facts that there's no ads.7 well, licence fee the facts that there's no ads? well, apparently listeners of bbc podcasts can kiss that goodbye. the beeb have plans now to include ads on

their programmes when they're streamed via third party platforms such as spotify and apple. 20 media organisations have written to the culture secretary to demand it doesn't go ahead, including the production company owned by guess who. yep, gary lineker. it's not like lineker to make things difficult for his employer, is it? well, if the bbc are so desperate for revenue instead of targeting poor people, how about they start by getting his outrageous wage bill off their books ? let's get the off their books? let's get the thoughts of my panel now. tonight i'm joined by daily express columnist carole malone, former labour minister bill rammell, and political commentator suzanne evans. good evening to the three of you. carole let's start with you. £42 million targeting the most needy and vulnerable in society . have and vulnerable in society. have they lost their morals, the bbc? >> yeah. you know , it's. i find >> yeah. you know, it's. i find it astonishing that, you know, when an elderly person gets that kind of letter, it is terrifying. you know , other terrifying. you know, other people of different ages might not feel quite so scared, but

elderly people get really, really frightened over that stuff. you know, it would worry them 24 over seven. they'd be terrified they're going to be prosecuted. and at that age, you know, these are we're talking a vulnerable, sick people. this is shocking. and, you know, you mentioned how much they're spending on 42 million on hunting them down. you know, the bbc gets 4 billion a year from licence fee money, but it spends nearly 100 million of that, both on its outlandish salaries for its backroom staff and celebrities like gary lineker, who you pointed out there and it's it spent last year nearly £30 million in pay offs for people who are leaving the organisation . outrageous. this organisation. outrageous. this is this is squandering licence payers money. and you said what do we get for it? i think we get a lot of great things from the bbc. i do, but i don't think we get enough things to justify a £4 billion and i certainly can't stomach their news coverage anymore. and if i was jewish in this country currently, i wouldn't be able to watch the bbc. >> well, there we go. of course. i mean, they've got a litany now of errors to do with the israel

gaza war, not least in december when they said israel bombed that hospital in gaza. nick robinson, their radio four star on twitter saying that israel was murdering palestinians. bill rammell your thoughts on the beeb? >> well, and yet and the polling evidence backs this up, the vast majority of people, particularly in a time of crisis, still trust the bbc for its news coverage more than any other broadcast organisation. and let's get the costs into context. you say that what the polling evidence . what the polling evidence. >> what polling evidence, because i haven't heard that because i haven't heard that because every year , 1.5 to 1.7 because every year, 1.5 to 1.7 million people hand in their licences . they don't want them licences. they don't want them any more. so what is this polling. look, look at the detailed polling evidence. >> and it shows that people gravitate towards the bbc because they trust it. put the costs in context as well. the licence fee is about £3 a week. it has to be taken on board because otherwise the bbc can't function compared that to other organisations like sky that i pay organisations like sky that i pay eight times that amount to.

i do that willingly. you can't compare them. >> it's commercial. the bbc is the state broadcaster . it is the state broadcaster. it is funded by the state. the two aren't comparable. the bbc could do and say what it wanted for me if it funded itself, but it does not. >> the difference is you're not going to be threatened with jail if you don't pay your sky. they'll just cut you off. >> suzanne, you have to pay your taxes as well. and we chase people for paying their taxes £3 a month. >> it's great. bill if you actually want it. £3 a week if you want it now. i used to work for the bbc. i used to be very proud to work for the bbc. carol, you mentioned you can't listen to the news now. the one thing i absolutely loved was on the odd occasion when i worked for the today programme on radio four, so proud of that programme. i can't listen to it now. i'm screaming at it within 10s. now. i'm screaming at it within 105. if i now. i'm screaming at it within 10s. if i turn it on, it's not good for my mental health because it's so unbelievable. >> i think, suzanne, you may have shifted rather than the bbc. >> no no no no, your head's down a manhole. i was, you know, committed to objective responses. all equal broadcasting. it's not like that. it's not like that.

>> one side. let me just let me just show you a clip from david cameron. lord cameron speaking to the bbc. we'll get that in just a second. but we're talking about the trust of the bbc brand that they as i said, they have a litany, most recently, infamously, of their absolutely torrid coverage of the israel gaza war. so they can't even call hamas a terrorist organisation. they can't bring it upon themselves despite the atrocities they do now call it a terrorist organisation. >> look , only the bbc make >> look, only the bbc make misjudgements , as do not misjudgements, as do not occasionally, not occasionally. >> let's play this clip . >> let's play this clip. >> let's play this clip. >> you see what hamas are prepared to do . you just realise prepared to do. you just realise the terrible , dreadful, inhuman the terrible, dreadful, inhuman people, frankly, that we are deaung people, frankly, that we are dealing with. and maybe it's a moment, actually for the bbc to ask itself again, shall we describe these people as terrorists? they are terrorists. if you kidnap grandmothers, you kidnap babies, you rape people, you shoot children in front of their parents. what more do they need to do for the bbc to say, look, these are terrorists. they really are. bill rammell you're saying that they've changed that now? >> that's not true because i was

listening to a news bulletin this morning and they still said, to according government, according to the uk government, hamas is a terrorist organisation . why can they not organisation. why can they not bnng organisation. why can they not bring it upon themselves to call that death cult? >> i have seen bbc journalists referring to hamas as terrorists and of course they should be referred to as terrorists. but compare and contrast the bbc with its news, editorial standards, its reliance on independence compared to other news broadcasters and the streets ahead. >> you have to be joking. you've got a very short memory brexit. i mean, for what? no, let me say, because you're saying that the brexit, for one, the coverage of boris and partygate for another totally ignored what keir starmer not justified at all, and the coverage of israel. >> where's the wall to wall coverage of angela rayner ? coverage of angela rayner? that's not happening on the bbc. exactly. >> nick robinson with angela raynen >> nick robinson with angela rayner, who was supposed to be drilling her down on on the two houses business, wished a happy birthday that day instead, he had no intention of giving her a hard time. they do not give labour politicians a hard time. >> it's clear every day of the

week they are challenging and scrutinising labour politicians, tories and look , i'm a lover of tories and look, i'm a lover of gb news, right? i appear here quite often, but i think most objective people, when they're contrasted with the bbc's news coverage and gb news and asked which is the most reliable and independent you choose the bbc. >> i've just given you tons of examples about how they are. they don't even do what they are professing to be good at, which is accuracy when it comes to bias. they had three people on a newsnight panel last year discussing whether this tv station should be shut down. all of them sat there saying yes, they had to apologise for that. that's one small example. how they're not doing their job properly is if you want to watch the bbc, that's fine, pay for it. >> what i object to is having to pay >> what i object to is having to pay not to watch the bbc, but to pay pay not to watch the bbc, but to pay the bbc. so you can watch everything else. and that's the problem. and that's why i, having previously been a passionate defender of the licence fee, because i think the bbc did, you know, and we just had four tv channels, gave a great output. but now we've got so much other choice. if the bbc is that good, it should be able

to stand on its own two feet in the commercial. >> and just finally, bill, hold on in around the world, the bbc is respected and the reason we fund it via a licence fee rather than taxation, is that it has independence from government and civil servants and i think that's the way it should be. >> it's not independent to support one political party, it doesn't support one political party. >> it bashes all the parties. >> it bashes all the parties. >> you would say that because because your left wing and you probably like the coverage again. but a lot of people rail against some of the coverage on the bbc. i listened to it. now it's obvious is obvious. it's clear. it is the last word. >> last word. >> last word. >> yeah, it's independent. it's independent from government. and that's the way it should be. >> yeah okay. all right. feisty start now look, a tv licensing spokesman said our simple payment plan is designed for people in financial difficulty. it is the most affordable way to pay it is the most affordable way to pay for a tv licence, as it allows eligible customers to spread the cost of a licence fee evenly. this six year contract ensures we are able to continue offering the simple payment plan when the current contract ends. for £32 million of your money,

by the way. anyway, coming up, the greens had their allahuakbar moment, but now the lib dems , moment, but now the lib dems, they've been accused of breaking equality laws after a christian candidate was deselected. so is there a double standard when it comes to faith in british politics? ex lib dem mp and party chair mark oaten is live on that very, very shortly. but up next, should protesters like just stop oils eco mob be banned like terror groups? that's what a new government report is recommending. and just stop oil spokesperson jill tavner does battle right here, right now with local government editor of conservative home harry phibbs in our head to head. that's next. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on

patrick christys. tonight with me. ben leo. only on gb news coming up. are christians being pushed out of politics because of their beliefs. but first, should groups like just stop oil and palestine action be banned? akin to terror groups? it's time now for the head to head. and they've wreaked havoc across the country for years. but a government commissioned report has now concluded that groups like just stop oil and palestine action should be banned. the government's advisor on political violence and disruption, lord walney, wants to make it an offence to belong , to make it an offence to belong, to, quote extreme protest groups that regularly employ criminal methods to campaign. in a draft copy of his report , walney says

copy of his report, walney says militant groups like palestine action and just stop oil are using criminal tactics to create mayhem and hold the public and workers to ransom without fear of consequence . banning terror of consequence. banning terror groups has made it harder for their activists to plan crimes. that approach should be extended to extreme protest groups, too. the report's also expected to recommend that protests near defence, manufacturing and energy sites should also be banned. and that comes, of course, just weeks after the palestine action targeted drone manufacturers in leicestershire, scaling the roof of the factory in protest of the sale of british made weapons to israel. so tonight i'm asking should groups like just stop oil and palestine action be banned like terror groups? let me know your thoughts by heading to gbnews.com/yoursay or tweet me @gbnews. and whilst you're there, vote in our poll. the results will come shortly, but going head to head on this now are just stop oil spokesperson jill tavner and local government editor of conservative home. harry phibbs very good evening to you both, jill. i'll just start with you. please, by definition, just stop oil is an

organised crime gang, isn't it? >> by definition, no. and that's we're not being stopped because of our tactics. because our tactics are peaceful and until a year ago, when these new laws came in, they would have been lawful . we're being stopped and lawful. we're being stopped and squashed and criminalised. really because we told the truth about the fossil fuel industries control of our politics. it's not because of what we do, what smashing a bit of, well, not even managing to break a bit of glass in the british library. i mean, it's laughable. it is laughable, really, isn't it? i mean, it should be funny, but you're telling your audience, and i'm sure this person who i'm now head to head with, you're telling your audience that that people like me, a teacher and sue and judy, who you know, don't fail really to cause any decent damage to a piece of glass in the british library, or a greater threat to your audience's future and livelihood, then fossil fuel giants continuing to release carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, causing climate collapse, causing collapse of

our agricultural systems and collapse of our society. but you're the government and these sort of things are trying to frame jul people like me and protesters using a legal right, which was a legal right until very recently, until the oil company decided to squash us to say, excuse me, but we don't think this is right. >> jul do you not think blocking ambulances is a bit extreme ? ambulances is a bit extreme? >> oh, that. oh, that old chestnut. oh, do you want, do you or not act? of course, of course. first of all, that's always brought up. it's an untruth . we've all. i've been on untruth. we've all. i've been on these protests. we do not deliberately block ambulances. we move aside. we have a blue light policy, even when we used to glue onto the road, we would not glue the lane. the ambulances would go through. but you. >> but but the group i challenge you to do. >> you group. >> you group. >> i'm sorry to interject your group. >> the ambulances have been held up >> the ambulances have been held ”p by >> the ambulances have been held up by us. >> well, there's. there's two that i found earlier. i mean, one was on the 8th of november last year. the london ambulance service said an ambulance with a patient on board was delayed on waterloo bridge at 1022. delays

from protests costs lives. we ask any protesters to allow our crews to pass and i said, i said to the police liaison officer, if we're causing a blockage for an ambulance, we will leave the road. >> and he said, don't worry, it's where the police have parked that's causing the problem. >> is the ambulance service lying? then >> no, they're not lying. i don't know where the truth is in the way you scramble these things, but, you don't know where the truth is, okay? do your very best not to. our aim is not to cause any problems for people, not to cause any damage. we're there to try to reduce the damage that is ahead of us. and actually, that's even happening right now around the world. >> i'll just. i'll just bring i'll just bring i'll just bring harry in. sorry to interrupt. let's bring harry in. harry, should they be, considered terrorist groups? >> well, it's a difference in degree, isn't it? what we shouldn't have is, organisations promoting criminal activity . vie promoting criminal activity. vie having, having complete, immunity. if you . i don't think immunity. if you. i don't think that there's a serious people trying to , incite, murder or

trying to, incite, murder or injury to people, but of course, if they're if they're trying to incite to organise criminal damage and, and to promote that, then then it's completely logical that all criminal organisations, should, should be, should be prohibited, in a way, it's worse if you get these, naive, gullible , these, naive, gullible, teenagers, being groomed by these , by these cynical people, these, by these cynical people, these, by these cynical people, the organisers , i know many the organisers, i know many viewers will will look, look at all these teenagers getting involved in these, in this vandalism and disrupting the traffic and how, hypocritical and spoilt , they are and that and spoilt, they are and that and spoilt, they are and that and that the police should take and that the police should take a tougher line and i agree with that. but even worse are the cynical people, safely manipulating them while while they let the. well they let

their naive teenagers take the rap and get arrested . rap and get arrested. >> what do you say to that, jill? >> it's absolute nonsense . >> it's absolute nonsense. absolute nonsense. you're talking about something we don't know about. nobody is groomed. everyone who comes along chooses to use just a wheel as a vehicle through which to be heard, to make what we, the majority is saying. teenagers are groomed. i'm here. i'm a teacher. i'm an intelligent person. the people i've been on the road with are teachers, gardeners, doctors, lawyers, some young, some old. you've got reverends doing it, you know, they weren't groomed . you know, they weren't groomed. they're people who it's their christian duty to stand up for what's right and something else would like to pick on. and you say you think we've got immunity against, criminal actions. we're filling the courts at the moment. you know, we've got cases against us. we stand up when we do something wrong. we say, yeah, we broke a law. even if it's a law that's being challenged by liberty at the moment, because it was brought in by the fossil fuel industry to stop us, we still take the consequences. >> that's why, by definition, you're a criminal organisation. >> we don't seek immunity. we say we stand up for what we're

doing because you know what? sometimes you've just got to do it right. >> got it. but so i am correct then by saying, by definition, you are a criminal organisation. you've just said that you're going to court criminal organisations. >> look at let's look at who's really breaking laws. our government has twice in the last few weeks found it's been found that their climate policy is unlawful. the high court has found that now i think a decent government would go, crikey, that's you know, if we if we stand for the rule of law, we really need to look at this. >> so it's a different it's a different subject. >> you know, it's not 31 new fossil. you're talking about migration a good point 31 new licenses issued since the high court said that their policies are unlawful . and the doubling are unlawful. and the doubling down on us saying that we're the criminals, the real criminals are those who are in downing street. the fossil fuel industry, through policy exchange with rishi sunak standing there with all their names behind him. the other day. >> jill, jill, you wouldn't you wouldn't be sat here now telling the truth. okay. jill. trying to stop me. okay, jill, let me

talk. you wouldn't be sat here now on this conversation with us without the internet, without fossil fuels. and when china's building two coal power stations, you know, a week and our global emissions in the uk are less than 1, and you know that what difference does it make to, you know, to our contribution to the world when the likes of china and india are surging ahead ? surging ahead? >> it's frustrating to hear those arguments against it. i can come up with a really simple truth. one is that the emissions per person are pretty similar. you know , china and india have you know, china and india have lower emissions per person than we do. it's just they have more people. okay. so yeah, they are building some stuff, but they're also ahead of us on a lot of their green investment. but also i can't go to china and protest there. i've got to i'm trying to sort out my own backyard. if you think it will work to go to china, then i'm not going to stand in your way. go and protest for the world there if you want. just by trying to shut. i don't want to protest there because i crisis go away. it's nonsense. >> jill. i'm not i'm not going to go there because i think the

march to net zero is completely deranged, harry, last word to you, look, i think they i think the propaganda that's been put the propaganda that's been put the alarmism, particularly for teenagers , has been appalling. teenagers, has been appalling. there was a brilliant, youtube documentary by, a documentary maker called martin durkin called climate change the cold truth, which debunks, you know, some of the some of the alarmism. of course, if, if, if children are brought up to say, the world's the world's coming to an end, there's no point getting married and having children because the world's coming to an end. of course, they will be incited towards desperate actions, but it's necessary to rebut that alarmism. and it's also necessary . necessary. >> i've got two daughters, 19 and 21, and i do not change with them because i don't want it on their shoulders. it's absolute one at a time. >> please, we can't hear you if there's two people talking. one at a time. >> why should we have people with why should we have people like nigel farage being cancelled with their bank accounts, where we have criminal conspiracies being allowed to

organise, being allowed to operate bank accounts, being allowed to campaign , openly inciting. >> harry. >> harry. >> thank you people to bazball jul very last word to you. >> harry's got a good point there. we've had we've had predictions of yesteryear and i say it's all climate alarmists who come on this channel. we had scientists in the year 1991 92 saying that by the year 2000, kids in this country wouldn't know what snow is. the un chief climate scientist predicted an ice age. no, no, let me finish , ice age. no, no, let me finish, joe. let me finish. let me finish. please no, let me finish. please no, let me finish. i've allowed you to talk. have the courtesy to let me ask my question. >> you're not telling the truth. >> you're not telling the truth. >> i'm asking you a question, jill. >> go on, ask me a question. >> i'm asking you a question. when we've had so many, very severe doomsday predictions of recent years, going back decades, how can we expect the pubuc decades, how can we expect the public to get on board with your argument ? argument? >> it's not an argument. it's because scientists are now saying, just like i am in despair at this nonsense . it's despair at this nonsense. it's just like we are headed in a to a terrible future , and we all a terrible future, and we all

know it. and you know what? you're selling? you're selling your soul to spout this rubbish. and the reason you're relying now on on saying that climate change isn't real, just look out your window. >> who said climate change isn't real? >> jill? they're lying on third of their land. >> who said climate change isn't real? >> well, i don't know. you're saying it's all the wrong predictions. >> you don't even know what i've said. >> yes, i do, you were also. you both saying this is nonsense. the fact is, we need to stop putting co2 into the atmosphere. you're paid to try and scramble my brain. the basic facts are the facts of the science and all climate scientists agree any decent unmercenary ones agree that we need to stop putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere because it is causing climate catastrophe, climate collapse which damages our food systems, which have evolved on a stable planet, which has allowed our society to evolve, break that stability. and it has done. it's done. we need to just make it as less bad possible. >> got it. thank you, thank you. cheers. thanks for coming. thank you harry. appreciate it. so who do you agree with at home? as a

government commissioned report recommends a crackdown, should groups like just stop oil and palestine action be banned? akin to terror group sean and x says groups like jso, extinction rebellion and insulate britain threaten innocent people enjoying their lives. they are extremists, peter says . should extremists, peter says. should they be banned? no. should they be dealt with? if they vandalise block roads and push hate speech? yes. but we already have laws against those things. the police need to use them and baryonyx says banning groups like just stop oil would be an attack on free speech. i'm not so sure on that, barry, when they're committing criminal acts. but anyway, your verdict is now in 89% of you agree groups like just stop oil and palestine action should be banned. 11% of you say they should not. great stuff, right? coming up, former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. he weighs in on a belfast court's decision to throw out the rwanda ruling in northern ireland because it's incompatible with the echr. and as the lib dems are accused of breaking equality laws over deselection of a christian candidate, while muslim green councillors celebrate their

election wins like this . election wins like this. >> raise the voice of palestine. hello, hello allahuakbar indeed. >> is there a worrying double standard when it comes to faith in politics? former lib dem mp and party chair mark olsen is live on that. next. this is patrick

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coming up. is northern ireland about to experience a massive influx of illegal migrants. but first, the lib dems have been plunged into crisis over claims they deselected a candidate because of his christian faith . because of his christian faith. david campanale was the party's prospective candidate for south london in sutton and cheam. but after a two year campaign by local lib dem members and lgbt activists, surprise who allegedly took issue with his christian views , he was dumped christian views, he was dumped by the party and his replacement will be voted in next tuesday. so members have now taken the extraordinary step of reporting sir ed davey's party to the equalities watchdog, alleging that the party has tolerated a, quote, hostile environments for people of faith and emboldened those who believe christians should be driven out of public life. and it comes, of course, after the mp lisa cameron was forced to defect from the snp to the tories last year, claiming that her christian beliefs were, quote, barely tolerated in the snp. and let's not forget scotland's deputy first minister and devout evangelical christian kate forbes , has been routinely

kate forbes, has been routinely hounded for her faith by the media and snp party members. but green party councillor moeen ali toasted his election victory last week by openly celebrating his muslim faith . his muslim faith. >> raise the voice of palestine. hello hello . hello hello. >> well, he certainly wasn't bullied out of his party, which raises questions as to why it always seems to be christians who are subject to hostility. i'm joined now by former mp and chair of the liberal democrats, mark austin. good evening mark. thank you for joining mark austin. good evening mark. thank you forjoining me. now thank you for joining me. now look, have the lib dems created a hostile environment for christians here, as has been alleged? >> i think, ben, you might be right. and i think what's most disturbing of all about this is the word liberal, you know, a liberal party, but it would appear that there's been a huge overreaction here. and not a very tolerant reaction at that. if they're going to be any party out of all of them, that should be able to be a broad church, be

able to allow freedom of expression about religion and views, then it should be the liberal party. and so i'm slightly surprised at what's happening in sutton and cheam, although i suspect there might be other factors beyond the religious element here. there seems to be a toxic culture in that local party at the moment. >> well, tell us about that seat, because isn't it in the so—called blue wall? i mean, how is this row going to overshadow how the lib dems attempt to win that seat at the general election? it was paul scully's. he's the incumbent mp there. the tory mp. tell us a bit about the seat. why is it so important? well i mean, this is a huge own goal for the party because this should be one of the seats that they would be banking on winning at the next election. >> it's been held by the lib dems in the past, and they would absolutely be putting all of their resources into this seat, targeting it, promoting the candidate. and so to have this mess up locally, it's not only about the fact that there's clearly a lack of candidate profile, but it will also be

presumably lots of infighting within the local party. so it's just not helpful. and i think it is very, very strange indeed that the party has allowed things to get this far, and clearly, as a liberal, i find it very, very peculiar . look, i'm clearly, as a liberal, i find it very, very peculiar. look, i'm a gay guy, and so i wouldn't necessarily agree with the views of some of the christian candidates about lgbt issues, but i would defend absolutely, ben, forever that they're allowed to have those opinions . allowed to have those opinions. and i certainly wouldn't go out trying to deselect them. >> well, that always seems to be the contrast between the so—called left and the right. the left and wes streeting actually from labour. he did it the other week when he giggled in the houses of commons about the nachshon events in brussels being shut down. he's laughing like a juvenile schoolboy . the like a juvenile schoolboy. the right. meanwhile, and you know, some people like yourself , they some people like yourself, they understand that free speech is absolute and we will do anything. we will die for your right to free speech, even if we don't agree with it. now, can i ask you why is it okay for a green party councillor to scream

allahu akbar at an election count? but christians can't practice their faith, seemingly in britain without repercussions. what do you think of that incident ? of that incident? >> yeah, ben, i think there seems to be some double standards here. and it does look to me as if when christian politicians speak out, they're an easy target. people feel able to criticise them very, very quickly when other politicians of different faiths speak out , of different faiths speak out, people a little bit more cautious, a little bit more nervous about attacking them for it. i don't know what's behind that. whether there is a confusion between being seen to be racist as opposed to arguing against somebody's faith, maybe thatis against somebody's faith, maybe that is one of the reasons why people find it a lot easier to attack christians. but there's also been in the past a slightly toxic culture around christian politicians bringing their religious views into politics. do you remember that famous phrase , from the tony blair team phrase, from the tony blair team where they said, look, we just don't do god. they recognise that it will be difficult bringing in their leaders religious beliefs into politics. so it's always been something which has been controversial.

but actually these days, frankly , people should be allowed to hold those beliefs. and in a liberal society. and i say this as a liberal, but i also recognise that there are liberal conservatives as well. it's a liberal view that you have to have and you have to have a tolerant view. and that's what's disappointing about what's happening at the moment. >> do you feel like religion is seeping its way into our politics here? we had, of course, the muslim vote last week, making 18 demands of sir keir starmer and labour, including cutting ties with israel, boycotting their goods, even changing the definition of extremism. i mean , do you fear extremism. i mean, do you fear religion is slowly worming its way into our politics and institutions in a bad way? >> i think ben , it's always been >> i think ben, it's always been there. certainly when i was a member of parliament, you had different religious groups that would come and meet you at your surgery. they would put real pressure on you on various issues, whether it was to do with gay marriage, whether it was to do with abortion , whether was to do with abortion, whether it was to do with assisted dying. there's always been that

pressure from religious groups onto politicians . a lot of the onto politicians. a lot of the debates that you have in constituencies during a general election period are actually run and organised by the churches, so that fact has always been there in the past. >> okay. mark thanks very much. mark, host and former lib dem mp and chairman of the party. thanks very much, a lib dem spokesman told us tonight, the liberal democrats are home to people of all faiths and none, including many christians. three liberal democrat mps in neighbouring seats to sutton and cheam are practising christians, including party leader ed davey and the party's candidate selection process is overseen by the reverend margaret joachim. well, it's interesting, isn't it, because it was sir ed davey, of course, who last year said women can quite clearly have a penis, so make of that of what you will anyway, coming up, as rishi sunak launches this attack on sir keir starmer and labour, i believe that we will keep this country safe. >> and keir starmer's actions demonstrate that he won't be able to do that. >> will britain be less safe under a labour government? we debate that at 10:00. but next

the civil service are opposing migrant crime league tables and a belfast court has ruled the rwanda bill, incompatible with its echr obligations. so are we doomed to be a migration nation forever? fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie gives his unfiltered take next. this is patrick christys tonight with me.

patrick christys. tonight with me. ben leo. only on gb news still to come. i bring you a gb news exclusive that blows the lid off the bbc's campaign against poor and vulnerable brits. but first, we welcome fleet street kingpin kelvin mackenzie and the landmark illegal migration act, which gives the government the power to remove illegal migrants to rwanda, has been sensationally disapplied in northern ireland. the ruling from the belfast high court declares that aspects of the acts are incompatible with the acts are incompatible with the european convention on human rights and it's expected to trigger a fresh influx of migrants from mainland britain to northern ireland and back in

westminster are unruly. civil servants are now attempting to block plans put forward by robert jenrick, the former immigration to minister, publish league tables showing migrant nationalities with the highest rates of crime. similar stats caused outrage in denmark recently, with kuwaitis, tunisians and somalians topping their league table suggesting a link between foreign migration and increasing rates of crime. kelvin mackenzie , welcome to the kelvin mackenzie, welcome to the show. we couldn't have that, could we? any suggestion that migrants are some sort of an issue in great britain? >> no, we certainly should know what it looks like. and how it compares to our local indigenous crime, period. because if you have a load of people from one particular part of the world, we should then say when they try and apply for asylum, we have to say to them, actually, are you a criminal in disguise? and we should research their background. and in doing so, we'll probably keep some people out of our country who do very nasty things. there has been a

not not wishing to drift into, into subjudice. there has been a shocking, shocking, murder in, in london. and i'd be very, very and the authorities have gone bizarrely quiet about this murder and i absolutely know theyi murder and i absolutely know they i think it was a somalian, perhaps, who was arrested for that. >> you're talking about the lady in, is it broadway? yeah. i think a somalian person has been arrested for that. i've not heard an update just yet, but. well, we don't. >> the point? yes. i mean, that's my point. i didn't want to drift into into it. what? but what is clear to people when the authorities don't tell you what is going on, when there is a disgust thing? disgusting criminal act in a high street, or an old dear who was simply hanging on to her handbag, you have to say to yourself, is this right? >> my question is why can other countries behave like normal common sense nations? denmark do

it, other nations do it. why? what's the civil service afraid of when it comes to doing it? here >> well, actually there were. >> well, actually there were. >> what are they scared of? >> what are they scared of? >> two points about this. they claim that if we add this into the criminal justice, the new criminal justice bill, then actually it opens up the idea that whole loads of other things could get thrown in. first of all, i don't think that's true, but that's by the by. and the second point is you don't need any parliamentary legislation . any parliamentary legislation. we could just we have a home office. we know we know the visas, we know the asylum. why don't we just publish it? and the reason and one of the reasons they don't do it like thatis reasons they don't do it like that is because when labour get in, you can be absolutely sure that they will say, this is an invasion of the migrants privacy and that we should not be disclosed what their what their what their criminal backgrounds are . you know, we are living in are. you know, we are living in are. you know, we are living in a mad, mad world. but coming back to that burnt oak one, honestly, everybody knew. yeah. >> okay. well, look, what about the northern ireland situation? of course. are we going to see a

flood of migrants now flooding to belfast? right >> so there are honestly, i feel sorry for the people in northern ireland. right. because now now anybody who's on that list. right. do you know what they send out letters. so are you, are you were you were you amazed that when the when the migrants that when the when the migrants that arrive by boat and having travelled across loads of countries, when they got a letter saying, dear sir, i just want you to know that you're on the list to go to rwanda. what happened? oh, really? oh, we. anybody there? oh, what do you mean you haven't seen him for days right now. all that lot will all be in northern ireland now. now northern ireland will then say, you know , we don't then say, you know, we don't want them, but i'll tell you who might like them off to dublin. right. dublin. then say this is war, you know so well, then they'll come to us, the uk, and say, please take them back, please. they will take them back. and we say we can't take them back in the same way as you're in the eu. you in the

same way the french won't take them back from us. i'm afraid you're done for. so we are going to see this get worse and worse, just like a merry go round of migrants. >> let me let me get your thoughts on another story now. so after months of disruptive protests on campuses up and down the country, the university of birmingham is now threatening pro—palestine protesters with police action. 24 hours after students set up an encampment on their main campus at edgbaston, tory mp robert halfon has since tweeted glad to see university of birmingham taking strong, swift and decisive, decisive action on encampments . freedom action on encampments. freedom of speech is of paramount importance, but this does not extend to harassment, intimidation or trespassing. i urge other universities to follow suit. i'm not sure if you've seen what they've been doing in the us. kelvin, particularly the university of texas coppers . we're going to texas coppers. we're going to get some pictures now. if anyone watching coppers storming the campus, dragging them out of there, clearing out the tents, we need to do that here, don't we? >> well, we need to do that. we need to obviously, in new york last week. we need to do what they do at columbia university. but simply shut the joint down.

i salute the university authorities at birmingham. what i can't understand is why haven't the other authorities haven't the other authorities have said it? i mean, just whose idea is it that it's okay? i tell you what, i've got a protest. i'm going to put up a tent, in in the place i'm supposed to be. supposed to be a learning establishment. we should just clear the lot out. and what is that? why is that a problem for our country? why can't the police do what they're asked to do? which is basically saying we didn't ask for those tents there. you're going to go. and so some people get in the way of all this because people like publicity don't they, when they're arrested. right. we'll sling them , sling them, not only sling them, sling them, not only sling them, sling them, not only sling them, sling them, not only sling them in the jail. say, i tell you what, you've crossed the line. you're no longer going to be educated at our university i >> -- >> do you make of the topic we were just talking about in the head to head, where groups for example, just stop oil and pro—palestine action? these guys, these students may fall under any new legislation. would you describe them as terrorist groups, well, the point about it is, i mean, it's criminal. they are, they are. that is the

point. the point is that they are going to carry out and they do it deliberately, and it's part of their organisation. they're going to carry out criminal acts. if you are going to carry out something you know is criminal, like trying to destroy some fantastic historical document that's been around for a thousand years. right? and because you're 80 years old. oh, i feel so sorry for you. right. if you're going to do all that kind of stuff, then you should not be allowed to set out and organise in that manner. right. and all right. so this is a problem. you get the collision between the police and you and protesters. so what what is the problem about that. well they are they are, they are first of all going to be criminals . and if they're going criminals. and if they're going to be criminals, they've got to be treated like you can bet your bottom dollar what the reaction of the police would be if we had loads of england fans turning up, setting up camp tents, saint george's flags everywhere, they'd be out in a shot . well, i they'd be out in a shot. well, i tell you what would be fantastic if they went and did it at charlton , because not only would charlton, because not only would they be out in the shot, they'd be bloodied and bowed and out in

a shot. >> or millwall, get yourself down to bermondsey, palestine mob. it was quite funny actually. during a campaign in wisconsin in america, former president donald trump described the police raid at columbia as, quote, a beautiful thing to watch . beautiful. watch. beautiful. >> nicely done. >> nicely done. >> there we go. hey, alex armstrong , >> there we go. hey, alex armstrong, i'm >> there we go. hey, alex armstrong , i'm not sure if you armstrong, i'm not sure if you know him. he's a commentator on this channel. he's got the best trump, the trump impression going, okay, mine's probably about three out of ten. but anyway, kelvin mackenzie, thanks very much. all right. cheers for your company. coming up as meghan markle calls nigeria the motherland and the sussexes awkwardly suffer through a rendition of god save the . king. rendition of god save the. king. what a little toerag. by the way , that's your father you're singing about and paying respect to . but anyway, has their tour to. but anyway, has their tour of nigeria been a pr success or disaster? i think meghan markle , disaster? i think meghan markle, she had some very strange, bizarre quotes calling as we just said, the motherland said that she was proud to be home some people speculating that it might be a dig, maybe to become

a politician or even royalty in nigeria. who knows? well, look, editor at large or the man on sunday, charlotte griffiths, gives her expert insight very shortly. but next, we're going to be getting stuck into whether labour will be trusted to keep britain safe. stick with us, ben lio on patrick christys tonight. back in essex. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there, time for a look at the weather with the met office for gb news cloud and rain moves east very slowly over the next 24 hours. showers follow the main band of rain that we've seen across western parts during the day, and it's going to turn cooler across the country as we lose the warm sunshine that we've seen. so much of during the last few days. we do keep some clear spells in the east on monday night, but otherwise there is this cloud and rain progressing its way very slowly eastwards, followed by showers

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gb news. >> it's 10 pm. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. >> i believe that we will keep this country safe. and keir starmers actions demonstrate that he won't be able to do that i >> -- >> rishi sunak launches his general election campaign with a blistering attack on sir keir starmer. plus . ou farce. starmer. plus. ou farce. awkward. and why is meghan markle calling nigeria the motherland? my royal dispatch with you shortly. also tonight, not lung cancer but skin cancer in my lung labour mp chris bryant has an important message for you on how to avoid skin cancer and the world has spoken . cancer and the world has spoken. >> the queers are coming .

weirdo. >> thank god eurovision is over for another year. i've got all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages to bring you very shortly. alongside my top panel, daily express columnist carole malone , express columnist carole malone, former labour mp bill rammell and political commentator suzanne evans. oh, and what do you think's going on here? rule, britannia? britain lose away, britain ever, never, ever will be safe . good lad. all will be be safe. good lad. all will be revealed. but for now, strap yourselves in. let's do this. is britain safe under labour. next. >> hello. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom. here are the top stories. rishi sunak has

warned that giving sir keir starmer the keys to number 10 would leave the country less safe. the labour leader rejected the prime minister's claim, saying that as a former director of public prosecutions, he knows the importance of security first hand. but rishi sunak says only the conservatives have bold ideas for the future, despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future. >> labour have almost nothing to say about it. no plans for our border, no plans for our energy security, no plans for our economy either . and no economy either. and no principles either. keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all corbyn to natalie elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they've u—turned on to the us now and donald trump's former lawyer, michael cohen, has taken to the witness stand at his criminal trial. >> he told jurors donald trump

personally signed off on a hush money payment to an adult film star to bury her story about an alleged sexual encounter before it could derail his 2016 campaign. mr cohen used to be one of the former president's most trusted colleagues, but he's now the prosecution's star witness as a so—called hush money trial enters its fifth week, the former president is accused of falsifying business records over payments made to the adult film actress stormy daniels to cover up their alleged affair. donald trump has pleaded not guilty to the charges and denied an affair with stormy daniels . the health with stormy daniels. the health secretary has defended the government's record on maternity care after a major new report revealed endemic failures at hospitals. it found mums to be are often treated as an inconvenience, with some women mocked or shouted at and denied pain relief. the birth trauma inquiry is calling for a national plan to improve services, led by a new maternity commissioner , who would report commissioner, who would report directly to the prime minister a

judge has ruled that parts of the government's rwanda plan should not be applied in northern ireland. the high court in belfast determined that aspects of the illegal migration act are incompatible with human rights laws , and would breach rights laws, and would breach the good friday agreement. the uk government will have the chance to appeal before another heanng chance to appeal before another hearing later this month. the king has officially handed over the role of colonel in chief of the role of colonel in chief of the army air corps to the prince of wales in a rare engagement involving both the current monarch and his heir, his majesty formally handed over the title he's held for the past 32 years. the king said it was a great joy to meet servicemen dunng great joy to meet servicemen during today's visit to the middle wollop in hampshire. prince william will now represent the army's air wing, which includes the unit once served by his brother. for the latest stories , sign up to gb latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb

news. common alerts now, though, it's back to ben . it's back to ben. >> this country is just months away from choosing its next government. believe the polls and they'll tell you labour is going to storm to power with a thumping majority at the expense of the conservative party. and some would argue that having overseen 14 years of decline, the tories deserve more than a kicking. but this morning the prime minister gave a stark warning as he launched his general election campaign . general election campaign. >> despite having 14 years with nothing to do but think about the future. labour have almost nothing to say about it. no plans for our border , no plans for our border, no security, no plans for our economy either . and no economy either. and no principles either. keir starmer has gone from embracing jeremy corbyn to natalie elphicke , all corbyn to natalie elphicke, all in the cynical pursuit of power at any price. so labour have no ideas what they did have. they

view turned on. >> rishi sunak also personally took aim at sir keir starmer , took aim at sir keir starmer, citing his support forjeremy citing his support for jeremy corbyn as one of the biggest reasons not to vote labour this yeah >> he's someone who believed jeremy corbyn would make a good prime minister of our country, not once but twice, right? jeremy corbyn wanted to pull us out of nato, wanted to scrap the army, multiple members of the government that labour would provide don't believe in a nuclear deterrent. so i don't see how you can with a straight face say to the country, yes, i'm prepared to do what it takes to keep you safe. the evidence just doesn't suggest that at all. >> so what to make of the man bidding to oust rishi sunak? sir keir says he and the labour party have changed. but will it bother the electorate that he , bother the electorate that he, for example, took the knee for black lives matter or that he wanted a second referendum because he didn't trust the nations? vote for brexit? or that he claimed women can have penises ? the labour leader hits penises? the labour leader hits back at the pm this afternoon and denied britain would be less safe under his watch.

>> the first duty of any government, particularly an incoming labour government, is national security. the security of the country and that would be my first priority. now the prime minister today has made a speech.i minister today has made a speech. i think it's his seventh reset in 18 months. and i think that really shows you that the choice as we go into this election is now pretty clear . election is now pretty clear. >> well, there you go. so with a general election now likely to happenin general election now likely to happen in october or november, britain has a choice on its hands. pinch its nose and vote conservative, or believe sir keir starmer and the labour party when they promise this time will be different. but let's get the thoughts of my panel let's get the thoughts of my panel. daily express columnist carole malone, former labour mp bill rammell and political commentator suzanne evans. carole malone you just about made your riled. i know it's good. it's a nice bit of exercise that every night i can

imagine patrick racks up the calories. not bad . can can calories. not bad. can can starmer be trusted to keep britain safe? bearing in mind, of course, the key thing here is his previous support for jeremy corbyn. >> yeah i mean absolutely not. but i mean you talked about people holding their nose. i'm going to be one of those people holding my nose to vote tory this time because i think, you know, i think the stuff that the tories have done over the past couple of years have been shocking. you know, the divisions in the party there, scrapping the infighting, it's just been silly and stupid. you know, every ten minutes. the talk about changing leader people are sick of that. they're really sick of it. but i think the alternative is going to be much worse. i don't trust starmer at all. in fact, neither do some of the big beasts in his own party. you know, you had neil kinnock at the weekend, saying that, you know, brits are sick of the tories, but they're not fully convinced by labour yet. he said quite clearly people do not love keir starmer. yeah, i saw that. the fact of the matter is if and actually peter mandelson warned of the same thing about five, five months ago to saying don't imagine you're going to get a landslide because that's not what's going to happen. if

labour win. i think it'll be with a small majority, and i think they're going to have to go into coalition with really unsavoury people like the greens and like possibly the lib dems, and like possibly the lib dems, and that would be catastrophe. >> bill rammell you're shaking your head , carol rhiannon. your head, carol rhiannon. >> you know, the message. >> you know, the message. >> you know, the message. >> you really think there's going to be a majority? >> i think there's going to be a labour majority of at least 100, you look at the local elections, you look at the local elections, you look at the local elections, you look at the by elections where we've been achieving post—war record swings by elections don't count come the real election. >> they don't. they're a small indicator . >> they don't. they're a small indicator. but come the re—election that's out, the winner. >> that that's not true. rafe. you're getting minimal swings. yes, but these are the kind of swings we saw in the run up to 1997. and, you know, sunak is all over the place. you know, he was the change candidate . he was was the change candidate. he was going to repudiate the status quo. he's now doubling down on 14 years. hold on, carol, he's now doubling down. finished. carol. he's now doubling down on 14 years of awful tory government. and this is the old tory playbook saying we'll we'll be strong on security. you know,

this is the government that's cut 40,000 soldiers from the army that has reduced defence spending from the 2.5% of gdp that it was under the last labour government, and they've not got the first clue of how they. >> you're right. but why won't keir starmer commit to 2.5 to spend 2.5% on zanon? >> because we're not going to commit to what we're not guaranteeing to do it already. >> okay, carol. >> okay, carol. >> suzanne, you know, keir starmer has said he aspires to the 2.5, which is something that last week we had rachel reeves complaining, the shadow chancellor complaining that the tories were gaslighting the population on the economy. >> i'm stuck between a rock and a hard place here. i think the tories are now gaslighting us on security . we, as bill rightly security. we, as bill rightly said, they've cut the armed forces by 32% since 2000. >> he's just increased defence spending . spending. >> he's no, no he hasn't. he's made a commitment with nothing in the spending increase. it's 2.5% of gdp and there's nothing in the three year spending review. >> what's labour done. >> what's labour done. >> sorry. all he's done is put out a press release. >> labour done bill. >> labour done bill. >> we've said we'll fund it when

we can and that's the responsible thing to do. >> that's woolly as well. >> that's woolly as well. >> no, that's the responsible thing to do. and look you know, judge politicians on what they do, not what they say. so bill, defence spending was 2.5% of gdp under the labour government as far as defence is concerned. >> you say that's the responsible thing to do. we'll see what happens when we come to it. so why did labour commit to £28 billion green pledge with all singing and dancing virtue signalling about the net zero agenda? >> because it's about transforming the economy, it's about seizing the green agenda. we've cut it from 28 billion because the tories wrecked the economy. >> can you justify that? that was good. that was their big flagship plan and they've now dumped it. so you say that they do everything they say they're going to do. the reason keir starmer is called flip flop. starmer is called flip flop. starmer is called flip flop. starmer is because he changes his mind. he rows back on every policy ever comes out with because you cost it and it doesn't work. >> carol, if the tories crash the economy as they did with liz truss and the economic circumstances change, you can't continue as before. >> i'm sorry, you can't keep peddung >> i'm sorry, you can't keep peddling that rubbish about liz truss. she did not crash the economy, her budget. she did not do it. it would have been fine.

but back to security. the tories have got a terrible record on security. it's not just cutting the budget. it's their whole attitude that uncurled controlled immigration. the failure to stop the boats, bringing in people with god knows what criminal backgrounds or records that we don't know. this country has become a place that's unsafe for the jewish community because they've done nothing about those weeks. >> suzanne, i will be. if you'd watched me in recent months, i have been the tories biggest critic. i think they've been absolutely torrid. but my only concern is for labour anyway, when it comes to election day and you have the prospects of a labour socialist government, everyone , and that's people like everyone, and that's people like me who are going to the ballot box and saying, i said i wouldn't vote tory. but the prospect of labour terrifies, i think, in a hard place. >> nobody knows. i don't think labour will do any better. >> i'll tell you what, this is not 1990. that's what's going to happen, i think. >> i think bill is the one who's dreaming. if he thinks they're going to, they're going to get him with a big majority. they are not. yet the people in your own party don't think that neil kinnock, neil kinnock would not be drawn over the weekend to

say, did you have a big majority, said i'm not going to get into that. and that's because he doesn't believe it's going to be bill. >> it's about not overegging it and not over projecting. but it's i tell you, it's because he i tell you what he's going to have. sunak says he wants this election to be about leadership. i say bring it on. i'm not claiming keir is the best leader that there's ever been, but he's a damn sight better than sunak. and that's what the public are saying as well. >> a man who can't say what, a man who can't say what a woman is. he's going to be the bloke with his finger on the button to protect us against china and russia. >> i made clear that women's rights are sacrosanct. >> he did not make it clear for a very long time. >> bill rammell suzanne evans, thanks very much. coming up, i will bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages hot off the press. plus, patriotism finally hits a uk university campus. rubrics earlier, britain used the word britain never, never, never. >> well , this may i'll show you >> well, this may i'll show you how that full hilarious stunt

was received by the pro—palestine mob very shortly. >> but next from meghan markle branded nigeria her motherland to claims harry didn't invite his dad, the king to the invictus games event this week. the sussexes latest relaunch is seemingly faltering once again. editor at large of the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths, gives her unrivalled insights on the couple's unofficial royal touh the couple's unofficial royal tour. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo only on

gb news. this is patrick christys. tonight with me. ben leo. only on gb news. still to come. tonight's panel return to run through the very first of tomorrow's front pages. but first, it's time for the royal dispatch with editor at large of the mail on sunday, charlotte griffiths . and the sussexes have griffiths. and the sussexes have been touring nigeria in recent days, with meghan markle keen to hammer home her claims that a dna test showed she was 43% nigeria. so during a speech at lagos state government house yesterday, the duchess said it feels very appropriate to be in the motherland and amongst family . family. >> i just i'm very overwhelmed. i want to start by saying thank you very much for just how gracious you've all been, and welcoming my husband and i to this country, my country , and this country, my country, and every single moment that i hear anyone so far talk about what it means to be a nigerian woman, it

is the most flattering thing to be in that company, to be in your company. >> okay. all right. we're interesting. the runaway royals didn't seem keen to join in with a rendition of god save the . king. lviv . lviv. so, charlotte griffiths, prince harry, there , the duke of harry, there, the duke of sussex, happy beyond belief , sussex, happy beyond belief, you'd think, with his decision to leave the royal family. what how's the tour of nigeria going down? some people are saying it's like a fake royal tour or a faux royal tour . faux royal tour. >> yeah, of course it's a fake royal tour. it's, you know, they're cosplaying how to be royal and it's also a fashion show, as far as i can tell.

there's there was one event where meghan changed halfway through the event. she just rushed off to a side door to change. and she's wearing outfits that cost, you know, 2 or £3000 in nigeria where, you know, there's a lot of poverty. the whole thing is , i mean, just the whole thing is, i mean, just a farce, but at least it's given us some laughs because that clip of them staring straight ahead dunng of them staring straight ahead during the national anthem is just hilarious. and the other bit that you slightly cut the clip off before meghan went on when she was wearing the red dress. she goes on to, in a roundabout way, describe how she knows she's nigerian nigerian because she's beautiful and powerful. and so it goes on to compliment herself. it's such a good clip. you have to play it later in the show. >> yeah, we'll try and find that. it was it was absurd and laughable. it was, you know, proof if you need it, that meghan is a massive narcissist and actually meghan called nigeria, quote, her country said it was great to be home. and harry, meanwhile, said that their nigerian hosts were his in—laws. what's going on there, charlotte? >> yeah, well at least. okay, so

when harry said the in—laws thing, he was cracking a harriet joke, so i'm going to let him off that. okay, but everything meghan said, she said with a straight face with no self—awareness. it was. she wasn't cracking a joke at herself. she was literally calling it the motherland. and i was expected her to hammer home this message that she's 43% nigerian. we knew that was going to happen, but i, i honestly eveni to happen, but i, i honestly even i didn't predict she'd hammer it home this much and calling it the motherland, saying over and over again, she's home and she's amongst her family. i mean, maybe the americans will enjoy it. i just think i just take these things with too much of a pinch of salt. i must be an old cynic in my old age. >> well, look, i guess harry and meghan are both. they are both estranged from their families, so they could be on the hunt looking for, you know, replacements. but it's mother's day in america. charlotte and harry and meghan left their two children, lilibet and archie, to come on this tour. now, look, i'm just going to put it out there. as a dad of two kids, i would never leave my kids alone

without either me or their mum there. i mean , she's been there. i mean, she's been getting some slack, meghan, particularly for doing this . is particularly for doing this. is it deserved? is this kind of normal for royals to leave kids with the nannies? because, as we just said, there's no family there? >> yeah, well, no, it's actually highly unusual for meghan and harry. i mean, historically, royals did this all the time. the queen went away for nine months when charles was a little boy. but meghan has always been very keen to always be there for any special occasion. and she did, of course, mention archie and lilibet and said she missed her babies was what she said. but it is actually very unusual and there have been events in the uk that basically meghan didn't really want to go to and she not go because it'd be archie's birthday or one of the kids birthdays. so it's interesting that for this occasion she was able to, get around her usual rulebook, let's say. okay, well, look, let's move on slightly. a war of words is once again brewing between prince harry and his father, the king. so initially, harry cited the king's busy schedule as the reason he wouldn't be seeing his father during his recent trip to

the uk and london. of course, there were just a few miles apart from each other last week, but friends of the king told the sunday times yesterday that to the best of their understanding, harry neither requested to see his father or invited him to attend the service at saint paups attend the service at saint paul's last tuesday to celebrate the invictus anniversary. one added the idea that he refused to find space in his diary well, let's say recollection's may vary once again. charlotte, who do you believe? >> it's so complicated, isn't it? there's a lot of he said. he said going on. i think i believe charles, because i just think, you know, there is a protocol for these things. and it does seem, harry made things incredibly complicated anyway by saying he wanted to stay with his dad, and his dad said yes. so he was allowed to stay in a royal residence, so that makes me think. of course, charles was planning to free up space in his diary, but then harry said, no, actually, i don't want to stay with you, dad. i'm going to stay. stay in a hotel and then, you know, the back and forth went on, and now we learn that

then it was actually quite difficult for charles to see harry because harry wasn't easily, readily available in a royal residence. we don't actually know where the hotel was, but presumably it wasn't close to where charles had new amorous engagements, including seeing the prime minister hosting this buckingham palace garden party. and then it must be that in this spat, this war of words, harry then neglected to invite his father to saint paul's, which i do believe and thatis paul's, which i do believe and that is now being billed as the reason why there are no royals. there but it's very unedifying, actually. it's first of all, deeply confused because we're getting briefings and counter briefings left, right and centre . and second of all, you know, this this never complain, never explain moniker. you know, it's important, i think, and although charles has never said anything officially about this, this whole debacle, you know, friends were briefing out over the weekend and then harry was briefing out again via friends and, well, seemingly via friends and, well, seemingly via friends and i just think, i just think we just need to rise above this.

it's not actually a soap opera. >> the royal family, it's just so sad that, you know, whether they're royals or not, that a son and father can't, you know, link up and have a chat. despite being in the same city a few miles away. but look, thankfully, king charles relationship with, prince william, harry's brother, seems to be as strong as ever. the monarch officially handed over the role of colonel in chief of the role of colonel in chief of the army air corps to the prince of wales earlier today. take a look at this. >> i do have to go from strength to strength in the future, with the prince of wales as your new colonel in chief. the great thing is, he's a very good pilot indeed. so that's encouraging . indeed. so that's encouraging. so there's a look out yourselves, and i can't tell you how proud it has made me to have been involved with you all this time. thank you. thank >> so, charlotte, while harry's not singing the national anthem in honour of his dad , his father in honour of his dad, his father and william are out and about. you know , as close as ever.

you know, as close as ever. >> yes. and neither of them mentioned harry. and there is another world in which they hadnt another world in which they hadn't all fallen out. and the first thing you'd mention was, i'm standing in front of an apache helicopter. and by the way, harry flew them, flew this exact helicopter in afghanistan , exact helicopter in afghanistan, you know, and it's something that actually, at the time, the royals were very proud of that, that harry was a helicopter pilot and really, everyone thought this honour would actually, this colonel in chief position would actually go to harry in the end. but of course, you know, that's not possible now, but it's nice to see, charles and william. there they are. you know, they are close, and they weren't always this close. actually, there was a time when, you know, there was a lot of friction and actually that united, harry and william because they both found the royal system very frustrating , royal system very frustrating, frustrating together, but as things broke away , you know, things broke away, you know, william's become more and more in tune with the royal family and how it operates and more accepting of that's how it is. and and it's nice to see them together. and i think, i think it'll be a great handover one

day. you know, i think the prince of wales is going to be a very good prince of wales for a long time and eventually a good king. >> well, look, let's hope the. yeah, i completely agree with you. it looks like the future of the monarchy is in in safe hands. you know, harry can gallivant across nigeria and africa if he wishes, but at least we've got the prince and princess of wales there to take over the mantle. one day. charlotte griffiths, editor at large of the mail on sunday. thank you very much appreciated. coming up, british patriotism is finally being restored on our woke university campuses. rule, britannia i britannia all the way i >> britain's never, never, never will be saved for next, we'll bnng will be saved for next, we'll bring you the very first of tomorrow's newspaper front pages, which are landing thick and fast as we speak. >> this

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the first newspaper front pages are in. let's kick off with the metro. king charles i lost my sense of taste, this is, charles admitting that he can't taste anything amid his cancer treatment. maybe it was after the fact he saw harry refusing to sing the national anthem. the i says british nature in crisis. and every political party failing to save wildlife, the daily mail says ozempic slashes heart attack and stroke risk. so this is the, weight loss jab, which we will get on to in just a second, some people losing up to four stone by taking the jab. the guardian says labour report calls for rent caps to tackle growing housing crisis, i guess some would argue uncontrolled mass migration contributes towards that, but who knows? the daily telegraph says china fury at arrest of uk spies and also a short bit on the weight loss jab. the ozempic, as well . okay, jab. the ozempic, as well. okay, now big revelations from a study which has found that the larger you are, the more you rack up

the sick days. i mean, for me, no surprise, but obese people apparently are twice as likely to be off work than those who manage their weight costing the uk economy a whopping £98 billion a year. that's an absurd figure . the sick days come as a figure. the sick days come as a result of complications from being overweight, such as heart disease, diabetes, joint pain and depression . carol maloney and depression. carol maloney talking of ozempic , you, have talking of ozempic, you, have been taking the jab, the miracle jab, and you've lost four stone. >> you just told me i've lost four stones on it. now susanna and i are just scrapping in the back there because she's saying she wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. i'm saying that unless you have suffered with obesity, as i have and suffered all the things that, you know, mobility problems, knee problems, back problems , all the problems, back problems, all the rest of it, you know, i wanted to try this and yes, there are some side effects, but then they're no worse than anything else i've ever seen. >> so bearing in mind, fat people cost the economy. apparently, according to this report, £98 billion a year, which is an astonishing figure, should ozempic be dished out on the nhs?

>> well, it is being dished out on this dished out is the wrong word, but it is the nhs of taking it up and they are giving it to people who are overweight. there are there are two types of drug. one is for the diabetics, one is for people who want to lose weight, and wegovy is for the one for people who want to lose weight. now i, i completely get why people who are heavily overweight don't want to go to work. it's hard walking around is hard. walking across the room is hard. walking across the room is hard, you know, and it is a strain on your heart and your lungs and all the rest of it. and i think anything that can help people get off that, yeah, if they are giving it to people, the supplies were limited until this year. i think they're getting more plentiful now. but yes, the nhs have said it's okay to use. i thought my gp would be really disapproving and he wasn't. he just said you know, you're saving yourself a whole load of problems, hard problems down the road, isn't it? >> the easy way out. >> the easy way out. >> but we just. sorry. i'm going to interrupt here, but we just don't know what the long term effect of this drug is not. you don't know what amol is either. the long term thinks. well we've

had it for many decades paracetamol. and it does have side effects and we all know about that and i don't take it actually. >> but we know about the serious reasons. >> but the fact is this sounds too good to be true. almost. this drug. and i think if something sounds too good to be true, then what do you think it does? what happens when you come off it? and carol, i hope well, i'll tell you what happens. i know mish well, just ask me a question. like anything else, people who have a gastric bypass, i've known people who've had gastric bypasses. they put all the weight back on. they've had stomach stapling. they put the weight back on olympic. they put the weight back on. the only way to get to get slim and to keep slim is to change the eating habits. the whole idea about. and i know that's you get the you get the weight off and then and you're changing your eating habits. >> the whole point about the drug is it makes you disinterested in food. so the hopeis disinterested in food. so the hope is that when you of course, when you come off it, you're going to get hope. but suzanne, it's the same with any diet you go on. >> it is because diets don't work either. i don't think diets work either. i don't think diets work either. i think diets are terrible for you. >> i'll declare an interest. i'm

overweight. i've lost two and a half stone through cutting out carbohydrate. good for you. carbohydrates and it's bloody murder. >> it is murder. >> it is murder. >> and how you make it sustainable is the key challenge. and i've been talking to carol, you know, and you look at the research and it is reputable. it appears that these drugs can really help and make an impact. so it's about your genes. it's about lifestyle. but if drugs can help, we should be you see what gets me is we've got these drugs and we're rolling them out the way in which fat people are treated with such disdain and such horror. >> that's what gets me. and talking about this work i've got to do with the drug, suzanne got a lot to do with it, got to do with it, because people who are overweight, who might otherwise be happy if they didn't constantly have the social stigma. >> and so i think there needs to be a social stigma towards fat people because they are wrong. >> they are. and how can you say that the nhs spends £5 billion a year on obesity related diseases? does it really? >> yes, it really does come. do you know what diseases it causes? heart attacks, lung disease, diseases, diabetes. >> in some people it's killing people , carol, not some people. people, carol, not some people. i founded a charity that works

with people who have fat disorders. there are less . they disorders. there are less. they are. those people, the studies show, are less likely to suffer from diabetes or heart troubles. it's because the way in which fat is treated, everyone thinks, oh, it's all about food and it isn't. bill, you said it's about genetics. yes, the research now is very there's so much research now that shows it is not all about genetics. yeah. >> you have done your research. it is not genetic play a very small know. >> they play a massive part but a massive suzanne. >> it's a huge challenge. anyone with a weight problem knows that to keep the weight off is really, really difficult. this research these experts in cardiology say it not only can help you to lose weight and do it sustainably, but it can actually improve your heart condition. >> but they haven't had the long term. >> are you going to experts, suzanne, the argument is that saying it's what they see now, but they haven't had the long term results. >> but what happens? >> but what happens? >> it's down to whoever's choosing to take the drug to take that risk upon their

shoulders. bill, are you going to take the drug? ozempic. >> yeah, i'm going to look at it. carol's given me a number. >> i'm gonna get it because i just think, you know, you're in more immediate danger. i think of a heart attack than you are from the drug as mpeg, and it's not a long term thing. you're supposed to be on it for a short penod supposed to be on it for a short period of time, and then you come off it and you and i promise you, if you get thin, you will want to change your eating habits. absolutely you will. there's no guarantee you won't stop any new drug doesn't have the long track history to provide security, but you'd never make progress without. >> i think here we're treating fat people like guinea pigs because we don't like treating them like guinea pigs. >> they're going to die if they stay the same consideration as we give other people. >> i'm sorry, karen, you've just made a massive. we all know fat people who live a very, very long life. you know, thin people, yes i do. we know fat people, yes i do. we know fat people should think of people who don't. >> what happens to people? and you're saying very fat people who are three, 4 or 5 stones overweight their life. their life is. i think there was a report the other day, something like 8 or 9 years off your life.

you're overweight, cancer? >> yes. and so they need our sympathy and our support and their help. you know, they actually need encouragement to lose weight. >> no they don't. they don't need it. >> i need to lose weight. they already know they're fat. they're already struggling, suzanne. they don't need encouragement. they need our support because they've got an addiction, actually. and that's it's not an addiction. >> stop this. obesity is not an illness. it's not like alcoholism. >> and, suzanne, you agreed with me that your genetic makeup is a hugely important part of this. it is. that's not addiction, ann. that's that's okay. your genetics. >> we're going to move on. thank you. great discussion. and bill good luck with it. how much have you lost so far? two stone. stone okay. you're you're near me up carol. four stone. excellent. right now, i don't know if you saw ireland's non—binary eurovision contestant bambie thug over the weekend who identifies as, quote, a queer, which wasn't happy with an israeli broadcaster after he described her as, quote, scary and satanic. but he's not wrong. but bambi also had this to say regarding the representation of, quote, queer identity at eurovision. >> watch this we are what the eurovision is. the ebu is not what the eurovision is. the ebu .

what the eurovision is. the ebu. i don't even care anymore. them the thing that makes this is the contestants, the community behind it, the love and the power and the support of all of us is what is making change. and the world has spoken . the queers the world has spoken. the queers are coming. non—binary for the win, i like it, i'm so proud. >> i'm so proud of. >> i'm so proud of. >> yeah. okay. all right, well, look, she's she's heterosexual. that person. she's got a boyfriend who was parading around eurovision. so where does the term does this woman queer come into it? >> does this woman understand when she's talking about palestine in the middle east? does she understand what they do to gay people? >> yeah. we know. does she have any idea? >> okay, well, look, something stupid, something a little bit more, wholesome, i guess, in educational. labour mp chris bryant. i've had my own run ins with him before. nigel farage has as well on twitter and in real life. but he did something very important today. he took to social media to make an announcement about his own

health issues and dished out some important advice. take a look at this. >> doctor rang me on my birthday actually to tell me. i'm really sorry to say that the latest scan has shown up something in your right lung. not not lung canceh your right lung. not not lung cancer, but skin cancer in my lung. please, please, please take skin cancer seriously . if take skin cancer seriously. if you're in doubt about a mole, get it checked out. secondly, please protect yourself from the sun. all of this is it's skin damage. it's sun damage in the end, and it can be avoided. so cover up, use high factor, sun factor cream and make sure in particular, kids are protected from the sun. we can save ourselves from skin cancer. let's do it. >> okay, well look good on chris bryant for doing that. i mean, politics shouldn't come into it at all, but it goes without saying that regardless of your political persuasion, doing that and raising awareness of something so important and sharing such personal information and his battle with cancer is noble to say the least. all right. well, coming up, which labour run council is planning to allow its staff to simply ignore residents, they happen to find irritating what happened to the customer's

always right a find out as i crown tonight's greatest britain and union jackass very shortly. but first, tonight's panel debate esther mcvey's war on woke with rainbow lanyards and diversity hiring due to be banned by the government's minister for common sense. this is patrick christys tonight with me, ben leo. only on

gb news. patrick christys. tonight with me. ben. leo. only on gb news. time now to return to the liveliest paper. review on telly . more of the front pages have just been delivered. let's kick off with the times. weight loss jab reduces heart deaths by a fifth. we were just talking about that, millions of middle aged, middle aged, rather brits will be prescribed , ozempic, will be prescribed, ozempic, which has helped carol maloney shed four stone bill. yeah and moving on to the daily express game changing news. this is an express story, of course, a game changing new stat in cuts weight and saves lives, yeah. and the

king reveals he's lost the sense of taste during his cancer treatment . okay, well, there we treatment. okay, well, there we go. i feel like i've lost four stone in this studio tonight. the air con is broken, and this suit is pretty hefty, so i've been sweating for nearly two hours now, so there we go. >> that's a bit too much information. my love. >> but anyway, there we go. it's past the watershed. >> it's 20 to 11, right? we're joined now by daily express columnist carole malone. you just heard her there. former labour minister bill rammell and political commentator suzanne evans. now when top tory mp esther mcvey was appointed to the new role of minister for common sense, many wondered what exactly her brief would include. well, today mcvey announced a crackdown on the civil service diversity initiatives, starting with an outright ban on rainbow lanyards. >> it is making a statement, you're putting it on to make a statement. and what we're saying is actually your political beliefs remain at the front d00h beliefs remain at the front door. and when you come in, you're part of a happy team, and it's not to impose your views on anybody else. it's not to be a distraction. it's not to be about political activism and that's why i said a very simple

way to show there is harmony, unity and inclusivity within an organisation. so it's just a simple, visible difference . simple, visible difference. >> carol maloney i'm not sure whether governments should be focusing on rainbow lanyards, but then the other side of me thinks, yes, about time. >> she's not really focusing on the lanyards. what she's doing is making a point. she's actually saying she's saying to the people in the civil service that, this she's talking about woke diversity and she's saying, no more of these schemes . you no more of these schemes. you know, it's been happening in the civil service. it's been happening in lots of public organisations, the nhs, for a start, and a lot of these companies and these organisations, they tick a box by by indulging in these adi schemes, but they form the schemes, but they form the schemes out, they outsource them and to activist groups basically. and they don't work there was a government report last month that said clearly kemi badenoch , commissioned it kemi badenoch, commissioned it for the government and it says these schemes cause more harm than good, that it's increasing, it's increasing exclusion in not creating inclusion. they don't work .

work. >> bill rammell, why do we need to know whether you're gay, straight, you know, you're called arthur. but weekends like to be called martha. who cares? why do we have to parade our sexuality around the workplace? >> esther mcvey , minister for >> esther mcvey, minister for common sense. my backside. this is a desperate government desperately trying to fight culture wars to hide their awful record over the last 14 years. and i cannot believe that a government minister is going to try to legislate the colour of the lanyards you wear around your neck. where have we gotten to with this? >> well, look, i admit, suzanne, it's not a massive issue. but again, i say, why do we need people to parade their sexuality around the workplace? >> i kind of agree. you know, you think if the government is focusing on this and what the heck, when all the rest of the stuff that's going on that they could be focusing on? i do agree, but yeah, if i see someone wearing a rainbow lanyard in the public sphere. so presumably there are public service public servant who is doing a public service, why do they need to throw their politics in my face? i don't want to know, frankly. and basically, if you wear a rainbow lanyard, you are expressing a

particular set of political beliefs and there is no place for that in the civil service particularly, that should be objective and free from political bias, although we all know it isn't. and i don't think i mean, this, this this is this is this is not a this story is not about, you know, you've chosen to talk about the lanyards. >> the guts of this story is that she's banning, diversity, diversity, jobs . diversity, jobs. >> she is saying it's a war on dei. >> yeah. yes. >> yeah. yes. >> she's great because that will save millions. >> well, that's what she's doing. >> diversity and inclusivity in proportion is a good thing, but it's not. you know, there was recent polling by, maureen common that 7 in 10 people believe that done in the right way and not over the top. >> that's a good there was a massive report recently saying that dei is overwhelmingly discriminatory. the raf , the raf discriminatory. the raf, the raf last year hiring non—white pilots that to apologise guys for positive discrimination. >> i've got it wrong. they got it wrong. we do know that that white men are discriminated against in the workplace now because of these adi schemes.

>> people companies are actually breaking the law because they're sacking people because of the colour of their skin. >> look at the metropolitan, look at the metropolitan police . look at the metropolitan police. i think that's an organisation where you could do with a lot of diversity and inclusion training. >> we're wasting our money doing p&o cars and trucks at the level of misogyny and racism that's been documented by too many police officers in the metropolitan police. >> well, why would having more black or gay officers help that? >> yeah, because any organisation which has a greater balance of people from different backgrounds, different ethnicities, i don't want to make progress totally and utterly patronising to give someone a job on the colour of their skin. >> no, i'm not. >> i'm not in favour of that. >> i'm not in favour of that. >> well, that's what these edi schemes do. that's exactly what they do. >> they say it's unlawful to do have to have a quota of this many. >> it's not unlawful bill, if you if you actually target a minority, it is unlawful to discriminate at the point of offering a job based on your race, your sex.

>> they do it all the time, all the time? >> what do you mean? >> what do you mean? >> living in cuckoo land, costing a fortune. too many organisations, public organisations, public organisations and some private ones are in the grip of organisations like stonewall, which frankly, are extremists. exactly. >> well, i would agree with that. but i'll tell you what. where's the evidence base? how many people where lgbt lanyards around their neck within the civil service lanyards. >> this is. no, no. >> well, that's what the minister so—called minister for common sense, has said. >> civil service jobs that are solely about equality and diversity, because most major organisations have, you know, the nhs has got something like 50 diversity officers. why do you need. >> carol, i just heard her interview where she talked about lanyards around your neck, lanyards around your neck, lanyard . yes. other things. lanyard. yes. other things. >> suzanne, i'm going to give you a last word in a second, but i guess the lanyard is the is the symbol of the complete wokeness and the die insanity that wears the evidence base. >> how many people are wearing lgbt lanyards ? lgbt lanyards? >> well, i see them all the time. and also, by the way, within the civil service, this needs this needs to extend to

the police as well. i don't want to know what whether my local copperis to know what whether my local copper is gay, straight, trans. i don't want to see them taking the knee to black lives matter or them to solve crimes. we shouldn't know any of that stuff. >> suzanne evans the problem is, i think i think the people who you know, this kind of wokery has so permeated the public sphere now that they're not going to stand for it. i think esther mcvey has got a real struggle on her hand to actually get this through. >> okay. right now, jobless students up and down the country have been setting up gaza protest camps at universities. but over in liverpool, they really weren't set of happy campers on saturday night, thanks to one of their patriotic peers. take a look. >> it's currently 3 am. and we're we're going to give them a nice little wake up call, robert hur are you greater news away ? hur are you greater news away? >> preterm. never never never. well we say oh, britannia , good lad. >> just what they deserve. the longer clip, which you can see online, one of the protesters comes out and asks, you know,

what the hell are you doing? and it's very, very funny. so good on that, lad. about time they got a taste of their own medicine. now time to reveal today's greatest britain and union jackass. carole malone, your greatest britain. >> not surprisingly , mine is >> not surprisingly, mine is esther mcvey, our common sense minister, who doled out a big dollop of common sense by decreeing that diversity jobs in the civil service will be scrapped. >> mandarins have been told not to hire any more diversity staff. good on her. too many pubuc staff. good on her. too many public organisations are now spending multi—millions on these ludicrous schemes, which have been proved not to work. >> bill who's your greatest britain? >> the actress prunella scales, sybil fawlty in the great fawlty towers. diagnosed with vascular dementia ten years ago. and she's making she's recorded a piece , playing queen victoria piece, playing queen victoria for the edinburgh festival this summer . and faced with an summer. and faced with an enormously debilitating disease, a disease . i think she's an a disease. i think she's an inspiration to us all and still a great actor. >> great nomination. >> great nomination. >> suzanne, it's sirjim >> suzanne, it's sir jim ratcliffe, not just because he's

a successful entrepreneur and a great advocate for british industry, but because he's an a written an article in the telegraph today calling the government's ban on petrol car sales by 2035 barmy, which is exactly what it is. i think they're fine for short trips, but there's no infrastructure, no guarantee you'll be able to charge your car. they're too expensive to buy and you can't give them away second hand. >> okay, i think what prunella is doing is admirable. she's. she's an inspiration and a great star. but i'm going to go with sir jim ratcliffe because sirjim ratcliffe because i really strongly believe the deranged march to net zero is going to leave this country and the world in ruins. so well done, sirjim. the world in ruins. so well done, sir jim. also, the world in ruins. so well done, sirjim. also, he's just taken over man united and he absolutely rinsed the way the club was run. and as an arsenal fan, i'll back that all day, carol maloney, your , union carol maloney, your, union jackass. please. >> mine is the idiot. as oxford city council, who have introduced a policy that allows staff to refuse to have contact with people who irritate them. so legitimate taxpayers who have concerns, council tax, who come into the council offices if a member of staff takes against them, if they have a legitimate concern, they can be told to

just go away. this council is ridiculous . just go away. this council is ridiculous. if i was living in oxford, i'd stop paying my council tax, but this is just to let you how ridiculous this council is. labour majority by the way, this is a council that banned all meat and dairy products at council meetings. they everyone had to go vegan. >> sounds like they're run by a bunch of student politicians, but there's a lot of lib dems and greens in there as well. >> i'm going for home secretary james cleverly, who tomorrow is going to start the process of abolishing the post—study work visa regime for international students. international students are one of our biggest global uk export success stories, worth 14 billion to the uk economy . he billion to the uk economy. he wants to smash it up. he's been condemned by previous tory education ministers. >> someone should have nominated him for greatest britain. he probably would have won. >> suzanne evans i don't think the public agree with you. >> it's the department for energy security and net zero, a contradiction in terms. if ever i heard one, because they suck the life out of everything, they destroy anything enjoyable. and the latest target of their puritanical zeal is the

motorbike. wow. i'm not a biker. despite the leather jacket, but, despite the leatherjacket, but, you know, a great motorbike. great thing you cannot have the same sort of motorbike you'd make. >> you'd make a great biker, suzanne. you would fit one ducati perfectly . carole malone, ducati perfectly. carole malone, you are going to be my winner today. you are going to be my winner today . oh, no, it's not, it's today. oh, no, it's not, it's not. apparently i did this morning. choose oxford city council, but we've got a double. >> you can't take it away from me now. >> we've got a double net zero, carol i did. it's a graphic error. i did, i'm sorry. >> choose you to win oxford city council not having it. >> if you choose me, that's it, i would. >> the computer says no, no, no, the customer is always right. suzanne evans. yes. >> bill rammell. suzanne evans, thanks very much, headliners is next. patrick is hopefully back tomorrow from his man flu. thanks for joining tomorrow from his man flu. thanks forjoining us. thanks for joining us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. time for a look at the weather with the met office for gb news cloud and rain moves east very slowly over the next

24 hours. showers follow the main band of rain that we've seen across western parts during the day, and it's going to turn cooler across the country as we lose the warm sunshine that we've seen so much of during the last few days. we do keep some clear spells in the east on monday night, but otherwise there is this cloud and rain progressing its way very slowly eastwards, followed by showers into the southwest. intersperced by clear spells where we do get some clear spells in the west. temperatures will dip into the single figures, but otherwise it's 12 to 15 celsius first thing tuesday and a damp, dreary start for central and southern scotland. northern and eastern england. that rain really persists throughout much of the day. it does become more fragmented into the afternoon, so on and off rain and nothing particularly heavy but a marked contrast compared with recent days, with temperatures back to 16 to 18 celsius. a little bit cooler than that, where we've got the persistent rain and where we've got the low cloud hugging the coast further west,

we keep some clear spells on tuesday and into wednesday clear spells, some sunshine in between, any showers but those showers will be quite lively across southwest england in particular, a few rumbles of thunder around driest and brightest for northeast scotland . but otherwise we've got the cloud and some damp weather to contend with in the east. thursday and friday. further sunny spells and showers , sunny spells and showers, temperatures not far from average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. i'm tamsin roberts in the gb newsroom here at the top stories. rishi sunak has warned that giving sir keir starmer the keys to number 10 would leave the country less safe. the labour leader rejected the prime minister's claim, saying that as a former director of public prosecutions , he knows the prosecutions, he knows the importance of security first hand. but rishi sunak says only the conservative have bold ideas for the future . mps who've been for the future. mps who've been arrested for a serious offence, faced being barred from parliament under new plans. it's after a vote in the commons which comes despite the government putting forward a motion that recommended mps only face a ban if they're charged with a violent or sexual offence. concerns have been raised over the watered down proposals to decide at what

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