gb news. >> good evening. a big launch today from keir starmer. a six point plan. is he just aping tony blair? but then again, is he blair without the flair? we're joined by world war ii veteran tonight. live in the studio, dorothea baron, as we help a fundraising campaign to get people over to normandy on the 6th of june for the 80th anniversary of the landings. and joining me on talking pints tonight. well, he's a face that you've seen on television for decades. he's you've seen on television for decades . he's always got a decades. he's always got a crack. he's always smiling. i'm looking forward to talking pints with roy walker. but before all of that, let's get the news with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> nigel. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. sir keir starmer has told gb news there'll be no tax cuts under a labour government until the economy is back on the path to growth. the labour leader says that while he wants to keep

the tax burden as low as possible, he also wants to ensure that living standards improve. he said british people deserve to know that future generations will enjoy better opportunities , but that can only opportunities, but that can only be achieved with tangible steps . be achieved with tangible steps. >> rfa we, have said we will raise taxes, we've set out what we will raise and what we'll spend the money on. so what you did hear this morning is that we're going to get rid of the tax break for private schools and use that for money the teachers we need in our state secondary schools. well, you did hearis secondary schools. well, you did hear is we're going to get rid of the non—dom status properly and use that money towards reducing, reducing waiting lists. the tax burden on people is as high as it's ever been under this government, you know, this has been the tax rising government of all time , in other government of all time, in other news, around 16,000 households in devon have been told to boil their water before drinking for another week after a parasite

was found in a key reservoir. the uk health security agency says 22 people are confirmed to have become sick and as many as 70 other cases of diarrhoea and vomiting are under investigation. the tory mp for south totnes and south devon criticised south west water for what he said was slow and poor communication. the company has apologised for the outbreak and has offered £100 off compensation to those affected . compensation to those affected. lawyers for donald trump painted his former fixer as someone who celebrated the former president's legal troubles. as the hush money trial continues today. the hush money trial continues today . the court was played today. the court was played audio clips of michael cohen saying the case fills him with delight and that he felt giddy with hope and laughter, imagining mr trump in prison. the former president faces 34 counts of falsifying business records in relation to a payment to a former adult film star. he denies any wrongdoing . and denies any wrongdoing. and hospital mortuaries in england

allowed bodies of deceased patients to decompose because of a shortage of freezers, inspectors have found. the human tissue authority told how an inadequate storage facilities at some nhs trusts and lack of freezer space means some bodies have been left for too long at unsuitable temperatures. official. official to guidance says bodies should be moved into frozen storage after 30 days in fridges or before, depending on the condition of the body. however, a series of reports show nhs trusts are not always adhenng show nhs trusts are not always adhering to those rules. the hospitals criticised in the reports following the inspections in 2022 and last yean inspections in 2022 and last year, said systems have since been improved. for the latest stories , sign up to gb news stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . nigel. to. nigel. >> good evening . well, today a

>> good evening. well, today a big speech from sir keir starmer, leader of the opposition labour party. and what did he tell us today? well, he told us that he would stick to tough spending rules in order to tough spending rules in order to give us economic stability. he'd set up great british energy, a publicly owned clean power energy company . energy, a publicly owned clean power energy company. he'd energy, a publicly owned clean power energy company . he'd cut power energy company. he'd cut nhs waiting lists by providing 40,000 more appointments each week, funded apparently by tackling tax avoidance and non—dom loopholes , he'd launch a non—dom loopholes, he'd launch a border security command to stop the gangs arranging small boat crossings, and he'd provide another 6500 neighbourhood police officers to reduce anti—social social behaviour. and there'd be new penalties for offenders. and i think what's interesting about those six pledges, there is absolutely nothing new there at all. and this idea that somehow you remove tax breaks as they're seen for private schools and that gives you the to money recruit an extra 6500 teachers. it's all nonsense. it's all

nonsense. yet everybody in politics and the media keeps asking the question , how will asking the question, how will you asking the question, how will you pay asking the question, how will you pay for it? and you would think literally that we take tax off one thing and give it directly to another. we don't. it's all baloney. actually. all the money, whether it's tax, whatever form of tax it is, national insurance all goes into a central pot. we don't have what is known as hypothecation of taxes in any way . you know, of taxes in any way. you know, we don't run balanced budgets ehhen we don't run balanced budgets either. so that bit of it i find insufferable. but don't worry, rishi sunak does exactly the same thing, he sat down after the speech with gb news political editor christopher hope, and the first question that chris asked was about tax reform. >> we, have said we will raise taxes. we've set out what we will raise and what we'll spend the money on. so what you did hear this morning is that we're going to get rid of the tax break for private schools and use that money for the teachers we need in our state secondary

schools. we did here is we're going to get rid of the non—dom status properly and use that money towards reducing reducing waiting lists. the tax burden on people is as high as it's ever been under this government, you know, this has been the tax rising government of all time. i think, chris hope asked him, well, you know, who do you support? >> where's your consistency? what do you really stand for? >> your opponent ? the prime >> your opponent? the prime minister said on monday that you're someone who backed jeremy corbyn in 2019, a left wing politician. now you're backing natalie elphicke, a right wing politician. what do you stand for? do you stand for anything? are you that desperate to get into power? you'll back all these different people from different parts of the political, view? well i would gently remind the prime minister that jeremy corbyn will not stand as a labour candidate at the next election. >> this is a changed labour. he backed him in 19. he he is not able to say the same about his predecessor who smashed the economy. and working people are paying economy. and working people are paying the price. if he was serious about the future, he would ensure that liz truss

wasn't a candidate for the next election. but he's too weak to do that. so i've led from the front. i've changed my party. this is a party back in the service of working people. what we are now si king humbly seeking is the opportunity to change the country and put the country back in the service of working people. >> and are you the heir to tony blair? >> well, look, it's ever since i've been rhymes. ever since i've been rhymes. ever since i've been rhymes. ever since i've been labour leader, people have tried to sort of, box me to in being a previous labour leader. tony blair was a fantastic leader. he won three elections, well, of course he's like tony blair. he's aping tony blair in absolutely every way. it was blair back in 97 that came up with the five point pledge card. compare and contrast the pictures of blair with starmer. they're starmer today walking around the stage very much as blair would have done. very much as blair would have done . do you notice the shirt, done. do you notice the shirt, the rolled up shirt. and there's tony blair with his pledge card. so that's very, very similar and have a look at the sleeves rolled up image . that's keir rolled up image. that's keir

starmer today. let's go back to 1997. oh there's tony blair. and it's absolutely identical. now look there is an argument that if you find a winning formula you keep using it. but i just put this to you folks. this is blair without the flair. this is blair. this is this is almost a charisma free zone. but crucially, does this win your vote? farage @gbnews .com i'm joined by paul richards, former labour special adviser under blair and gordon brown. i'll tell you the big difference, paul tell you the big difference, paul, between tony blair and sir keir starmer. i didn't see any optimism there today. i mean, literally no optimism. i didn't see any vision . ian blair was see any vision. ian blair was terribly good, wasn't he, at selling a vision of where we were going to go and why the journey was worth it. none of that. >> well, here's the original pledge. god! hold it up for the camera. >> there it is. there it is. i carry it in my wallet, close to my heart. you've kept it every day for 30 years. and if you

look at the pledges, they're very mild, you know, they're very mild, you know, they're very modest. and there wasn't a great vision in here. it was quite mechanistic, quite low level achievable, which is what starmer has learned. and the retail offer is there as a demonstration for a bigger purpose. but it isn't big, bold stuff. the national minimum wage isn't even on this card. >> i understand your point that what blair i mean, what blair was doing there was saying vote laboun was doing there was saying vote labour. we won't put your taxes up.and labour. we won't put your taxes up. and that was that was a very important message to middle class indeed. but but here's the difference. neither are starmer's six pledges particularly inspiring. and he's also playing very safe. the difference is in delivery. the difference is in delivery. the difference is in energy. and blair had bags of energy. >> well again you're retrofitting this a little bit . retrofitting this a little bit. don't you remember they called him bambi. at the time he was untested . he was supposed to be untested. he was supposed to be this weak, faun like character. you know, he was a called all kinds of rude names. and the danger line, the new labour, new dangenl danger line, the new labour, new danger. i remember it vividly. well, that was the tory attempt.

there wasn't a halo around his head, you know, back in the mid—nineties, only get better people dancing. >> and this was all they did. >> and this was all they did. >> but, you know, it was only afterwards, afterwards, more people said they voted labour. they could possibly have actually voted labour. there was actually voted labour. there was a whole sort of post—event ization. >> i heard him speak. i watched him turn up in the europol. >> so did i in the european parliament. >> he turned up. there was a hostile crowd and he wowed them. it was extraordinary. >> yes. and he was good at that. >> yes. and he was good at that. >> really good at that. >> really good at that. >> these are change times. i mean, to your point, you know, we have a terribly difficult economic situation. there's wars raging across the globe, the climate is in a different situation than it would have been for tony. i mean, tony, it was a sort of pre—digital age. it was, you know, one of his big pledges was connecting schools to the information superhighway, and that was an applause line. we all had to applaud, and we didn't know what it meant. >> we all had to applaud without trying to reduce their access to it in many sps. >> so very changed. >> so very changed. >> okay, i completely accept that we're, you know, decades on, things are different. blair inherited a very good economy in many ways, and that's not the

case. it's slightly better than it was a few weeks ago. but the looks of it. but it's not great. and i understand all of that. what i'm talking about is, is leadership quality and to inspire people and to bring them on the journey with you. and my impression, paul richards, and maybe you're going to tell me i'm wrong. my impression is when the pollsters say they're going to vote for starmers labour, they're almost doing it because they're almost doing it because they don't want to vote conservative as opposed to really want to vote labour. >> well, even blair only got about a fifth of conservative switchers from 92 to 97 to actually vote labour. a lot of them sat on their hands. some of them sat on their hands. some of them voted for your predecessor parties, and so on. so it wasn't a massive the whole country suddenly became labour even in 97. starmer is a tough leader. you you made the point there about him kicking out corbyn quite right too. he reshaped the labour well with that i agree with you. now i think the argument then is if you can reshape the labour party and reform and modernise that, that then you have permission to be heard on whether you can do it to the country. and that's what these pledges today are all about. and some of them are

quite big. i mean, a british energy company, to bring our bills down, that's quite a big deal bills down, that's quite a big deal. a big bit of state intervention in a way. i don't think tony would have done that, by the way. that wouldn't have appeared on the cards. >> there's no way that blair would have done that. but on the economy, you know, it's the economy, you know, it's the economy, stupid. the economy, how people feel really matters at every general election. indeed. it's very interesting when i saw the, you know, the budget from jeremy hunt and i watched rachel reeves response and basically she agreed with 100% of it. there are almost no economic differences now. >> well, again, none. gordon came in in 97 pledging the same spending as the tories for three whole years. the first three years of the labour, the revolution, the new labour revolution, the new labour revolution was funded by the same funding as the tories would have had. and then, once you've earned the right to be heard, you can establish yourself, gordon said. i'm a prudent chancellor then you can start spending on the national health service and you can win another election. but labour's horror is to be come into an election. everyone says you're going to put our taxes up and to lose the election or to mismanage the economy like callaghan did , for economy like callaghan did, for example, and be booted out for incompetence. so it's got to be

steady as she goes. it's got to be prudent and it's got to be. maybe not exciting. no, it's not a long we've got a long journey and i mean, you know, i'm a pessimist. i mean, labour is still an awfully long way behind anywhere near government. the majority, the tories have is still huge. >> they've got to win lots of seats. that's true. but we didn't like basingstoke. >> places like this that have never been, never been labour. >> but when john come on john curtis who comes on this programme and this channel sir john and he's the sort of the doyen. >> yes, but he's not a soothsayer, is he. he's. >> no. but when analysing data now, when somebody's seeing into the future, that is true. but with this difference, the one thing neither you or i or anybody would ever call john curtis is rash. he's not. he's very measured, very sensible and yes, he and he always explains that a poll is a snapshot of today. yes, yes. he's put his neck on the line and said it's 99% certain that starmer finishes up in downing street. >> he's anything 99% certain in politics. well he was john curtis as it is. look at all the polls that have predicted things

wrongly over the last 20 years. you know, i'm just all i'm saying is that labour has a huge mountain to go, which is why the pledge card that the real one done today, you know, is just another step in that journey. and why, you may say it's modest, but actually it's starting to address some of those issues that people care about, like crime, anti—social behaviour, like their bills. you know, this is this is the stuff, as you say, of the meat and dnnk as you say, of the meat and drink of politics. and as a campaigner, you also know you need retail offer on the doorstep, something you can say in 20s you're not going to get a philosophical debate, but you might get across a policy that lodges that may turn a vote. so that's what that's about. >> do you feel, paul, that what starmer has done today is to set the parameters for the next six months, or are we going to see big to change those six big new ideas coming in? >> no, i mean, this is now locked down. this is it. this is the mantra. every campaigner is now going to have to memorise and repeat for the next few months. now in government it may be different because again, the point they've made today is that the national minimum wage is not on this pledge card. a big change that made a big

difference to a lot of people wasn't even on the card. and yet they did it in government. so you will see in government, i think big reforms. but for now, i'm afraid it's those six things again and again and again. >> i suspect, paul richards, that you're right. that's it. for the next six months, folks, you can go to sleep and wake up for election day. >> november. right, nigel, do you think in november i think october probably i, i don't i don't think they'll want the american elections are such a huge global event. >> we can't pretend that our elections or anything like a par with that. no, no, i think they want to get out of the way before, but i might have a bet on that. you never know, paul. thank you very much indeed. now, patrick christys has been with suella braverman up in cambridge, going to look at protesters. patrick, what happened? >> yes. well, it's some quite astonishing footage, actually , astonishing footage, actually, nigel, that i will be bringing to our viewers between 9 and 11 pm. this evening. suella braverman is a former cambridge graduate herself. there's one of the many protests that are taking place student protests, taking place student protests, taking place student protests, taking place at cambridge. we decided to present them with a woman that they hate. really, a

woman that they hate. really, a woman that they make tiktok videos about a woman that they can't stop slugging off to each other. and publicly we decided, okay, well, here we go . here is okay, well, here we go. here is suella braverman, the former home secretary. there is a short clip, a little teaser clip for you. >> i'm not to here get into a fight. i'm not here to debate necessarily. i'm coming with a sincere intention to engage. but it is quite surprising that the college authorities have allowed this kind of , college authorities have allowed this kind of, occupation to college authorities have allowed this kind of , occupation to take this kind of, occupation to take place. >> what was what would be your your your main question to some of these individuals? >> i'm really keen to hear what your message is to israel. >> you're going to have to tune in to find out how these young radicals respond. nigel these people at the beating heart of the student revolution and student politics at the moment. suella braverman also joins us live in the studio from 10 pm. for even more reaction. it's a massive show tonight, nine till 11. >> well , patrick, i'll be home >> well, patrick, i'll be home by then with a glass of

something. i will watch it. thank you very much indeed. in a moment we're going to talk. i said to you we were going to be pushing very, very hard up to the 80th anniversary of the d—day landings and today we're going to be supporting a charity thatis going to be supporting a charity that is raising money to send people to that extraordinary , people to that extraordinary, very probably last big get together ever of veterans for the 80th anniversary. and i'll be joined by dorothea barren, world war ii veteran herself

well, i've been telling you all week that we would, as a channel and this show, be pushing very, very hard up to the 6th of june commemorations. the 80th anniversary of d—day. commemorations. the 80th anniversary of d—day . and it's anniversary of d—day. and it's come to my attention that there are world war ii veterans who would very much like to go to normandy to take part in that

commemoration , who simply commemoration, who simply haven't got the money to do it. and sadly , the british and sadly, the british government doesn't help with things like this. well, one man is on an awful lot for world war ii veterans is entrepreneur johnny gallagher. johnny you've raised money. you've given money yourself over the past to help world war ii veteran charities. now this time, this is the taxi charity for military veterans . charity for military veterans. and those cab drivers will give of their time freely . but of their time freely. but actually to get people over there with carers . it's there with carers. it's expensive, isn't it? >> well, i found out today one of the people, don, he's in a bad way at the minute and he might even have to get an ambulance over there. so it's very expensive. yeah, and obviously we don't know how many are going to make it. and there's people now that have seen the cause and more people want to join. so my goal is to raise £100,000. and like you said, i've always put my hand in my pocket. yes. and because of some circumstances and things which i've mentioned in, in raising funds about how the veterans feel, people have

forgotten about them. for me, it's important for everybody, even if it's a pound, £5, to donate and get these people back. >> well, absolutely. and if you look at your screens now, folks, you will see the qr code and you'll also see the taxi charity for military veterans. you can go online, you can donate directly to their website. you can actually download the qr code on your phone and actually , code on your phone and actually, we want to help as many people as possible who want to go back for that big anniversary. well, i'm very pleased to be joined by dorothea barron . dorothea, dorothea barron. dorothea, welcome. hello to the program. you're still a youngster. you haven't quite yet made your 100th birthday. >> have no, it'll be in october. right. >> well, i hope it'll be a very good party. now you will. you were a wren ? were a wren? >> yes. >> yes. >> during the war. serving on hms venetia. >> and. no, not serving on on. no but it was just a code name for anybody in the wrens. >> what was interesting about

d—day was i learnt that you were teaching people how to use semaphore because they were going into a battle situation , going into a battle situation, radio, communications, telephone lines get cut and i bet a lot of our viewers don't know what semaphore actually is. so explain. >> do i look at you or do ijust >> do i look at you or do i just look at me, please? >> yes, you. »- >> yes, you. >> yes. yes yes, it's a means of communicate motion using two. scott . oh good heavens. flags. scott. oh good heavens. flags. flags. yes. yeah in your hands. yeah.i flags. yes. yeah in your hands. yeah. i think this was a i think i can't remember now . and you'd i can't remember now. and you'd be doing things like this and you'd always have another wren beside you. right writing down the letters. yeah. you were reading . you weren't actually reading. you weren't actually putting them together in your

head. you were just reading them and we did semaphore in daylight and we did semaphore in daylight and sometimes on a sunny day, we'd be in, in the bright sunlight, trying to read. and also we were doing more to , we also we were doing more to, we were doing morse code and trying to read a little flashing light in bright sunlight was a very bad for the eyes, which is why my why my eyes aren't very good at the moment. no. >> well , i at the moment. no. >> well, i mean, i'm afraid that was a price that you paid for what you did willingly . what you did willingly. willingly? yes and no. i mean, clearly we were sending people into a very dangerous battle situation on the ground. and the more training they had, the more skills they had . skills they had. >> and of course, any other method of communication nation could be intercepted. yes. >> and i've, i've got here the 1937 signal card, which i'm sure

you memorised cover to cover, i didn't this time. there are all the flags there for those that are watching . when, when d—day are watching. when, when d—day happened, you know, and you learned the first news within 24, 48 hours, what was what was the feeling in the country? was it was was it a feeling that this really was going to be? >> well, i was travelling down from scotland because that's where we had been. signalling and working with the d—day people, people who were also going to take, soldiers off the boats, the big liners and convey them to the smaller craft, which then took them to the beach. yeah, yeah , yeah. yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and did you feel optimistic at that point of the war? >> i don't think we there'd been a turning point. the turning point, of course, was going in. yeah, yeah. no remarking going into france then we felt it. >> we're on our way.

>> we're on our way. >> yes, we're coming in. we're getting back and we've driven you out of what? we haven't let you out of what? we haven't let you come into england. >> you've still got the fighting spirit, haven't you? >> oh, i sure 99, i love it. » i— >> oh, i sure 99, i love it. >> i storm babet i know i can tell, i wouldn't argue with you. i promise. and your husband had a long. >> well, andrew was in the raf. yes. and he actually wasn't there at d—day. no, but but he was, first of all in coastal command , which became command, which became amalgamated with bomber command . amalgamated with bomber command. yes. and he was very much into bombing railway lines in germany and factories so that they couldn't send more supplies to fight us and to fight. yeah. >> and you're wearing his you're wearing his, his miniatures. >> oh, i've got his miniatures proudly displayed along with

your own. >> well, dorothea, i have to say, johnny , i mean, wow, you say, johnny, i mean, wow, you know, i know the numbers of dorothea's are thinning out a little bit. what got you as a guy in his 20s? so, so keen to help these people ? help these people? >> yeah. i mean, so my granddad was very close to me . my parents was very close to me. my parents got divorced when i was young, so my granddad was a real role model in my life. and then my great granddad was in the battle of somme. yeah, he, he survived, but his brother didn't. i still actually have the original letter that my great great grandma got to say passed away. he was only 21. and, you know, it really inspired me to do well in business. i've been very lucky to do well in business at a young age. and that fighting spirit of not giving up, you know, i got so much inspiration from that generation and then, you know, fortunately, i'm still growing my business. i'm still not where i want to be. but i got a phone call. near christmas two years ago, and they told me that these veterans, i'd never helped veterans before at this stage. yeah, they said, oh, you

know, johnny, his veterans christmas lunch is going to be cancelled. and i was like , cancelled. and i was like, there's no words. you know ? and there's no words. you know? and look, i'm not i'm not super wealthy. and it was a lot of money. >> but it's time we helped johnny. you've done johnny's done his bit. it's the time he has. it's time the rest of us helped. i can tell you, dorothea, that in just in the few minutes that we've been chatting and i put the website up on the screen and showed people where to donate, just in the last few minutes, £8,000 has already come in just in the space of a few minutes. and that's because we are honouring your generation , dorothea, and your generation, dorothea, and we realise that if we get in trouble again, you're fit and ready to serve. once more of that, i've got absolutely no doubt. what? thank you for coming on the program. >> thank you very much for giving us the opportunity. and may i say that the taxi drivers, the london taxi drivers are very

good to the cause, aren't they, johnny? >> they got you here today safe and sound. >> good for them. wonderful thank you so much. great. we're doing our bit £8,000 in the first few minutes. can't be bad now. 10,000. there we are. wow. it's moving. incredible dorothea, we're going to have to have you back. there's no question about it. in a moment, we're going to be talking. de—banking. once again, the issue that i raised, of course, last year, it's still happening in many ways getting worse. lots of people are losing their bank accounts, and without that, it's tough to survive in the modern

break. it'll never go away. de—banking will never go away. i'm convinced till the day i die. there will be de—banking stories i wish that wasn't the case. it just seems that things just aren't getting any better. well, the institute of economic affairs have produced a report.

today. i'm joined by jamie white, senior research fellow, and you've been looking. jamie in particular at money laundering, the money laundering regulations , now, all this stuff regulations, now, all this stuff we've i think we've had four major waves of legislation on money laundering the last lot, and this is important came in in 2017. it was agreed as members of the european union . it was of the european union. it was brought in after the brexit vote. from what i can understand, nothing has been done to change it. >> no, nothing has been done and i think you're right. nothing probably will be done. i mean, one of the well, let's keep things, let's keep my job as you often you write these things and you think, well, i'm pretty sure i'm right here, but also pretty sure nothing will happen, i mean, the origins of all this are not the european union, though it has all been done through it. in the end, it's actually a g7 was set up by the g7 in 1989. it's called fatf,

the financial action task force. and they issue all these recommendations about how to fight financial crime. and basically the european union and the britain are following its recommendations, and its recommendations, and its recommendations are basically that a legal obligation be placed on banks, that they must act effectively as a police force to detect and identify financial crime and in particular, money laundering . particular, money laundering. now, if they don't, if they fail to live up to the expectations of the financial conduct authority in britain , they face authority in britain, they face fines in the billions. now this means that a customer who's on the face of it may be a little dodgy, which requires nothing more than the fact that you deposit cash or one odd payment or whatever. yeah, or have deaungs or whatever. yeah, or have dealings with certain foreign countries. they might be completely legitimate dealings, but that gives a kind of red flag. and then the bank, well , flag. and then the bank, well, it could investigate it to find out if you really are a financial criminal or not, but that costs a fortune. it costs a lot of money, and your account

might not be worth very much. so the economic logic from the bank's point of view is shut the account down, because if they do that, they're in the clear. if they don't do that, they're running a huge risk. so the i mean, i put it in an article i've written on this, imagine that the government placed on everybody an obligation on to detect if their friends were criminals. because you know your friends quite well. you're in a good position to do it, aren't you? and if you don't do it up to scratch, we'll find you £100,000. what would happen? well, i'd get rid of all my friends who i wasn't absolutely sure were legit. right? and that's exactly the logic of this situation. >> it is crazy. and i one of the stats that i've given the viewers here @gbnews is that for every £1 that is recovered , every £1 that is recovered, money laundering that is recovered in the uk system, the compliance cost is £100. and you've produced the stats today that i hadn't seen that for every one conviction for money laundering, 169 accounts. right so how many just bring us up to

speed on numbers ? speed on numbers? >> okay. so the number a study was done , following following was done, following following your scandal, looking into the account closures, what causes them? how many are there? and so on. well, the number of closures in the last year for which data is available, 20, 2022 was 343,000. accounts were closed . 343,000. accounts were closed. now, sometimes there's nothing in it. they're just dormant accounts. nobody's using them. but in half of the cases, roughly , it's because the bank roughly, it's because the bank couldn't satisfy itself that you weren't involved in financial crime. so it's 170,000 accounts. there are about a thousand convictions for money laundering. so you've got 170,000 people being punished. yeah, effectively , they're being yeah, effectively, they're being punished. yeah, only 1000 were actually found guilty . actually found guilty. >> and it's so bad for small business particularly, isn't it? >> well , it business particularly, isn't it? >> well, it hit small business because of the economic logic. i pointed out. if you're a big business, it's worth it sort it out account is worth a lot to them. if you're a small business, your

account is not worth their while to sort it out. >> it is. we've had promises, jamie. i've had personal promises from the government, even the fca. not that i think much of them have made promises. are we any nearer change? >> not that i can see. and the reason i'm doubtful is because the change that's required is to lighten the regulatory burden on the banks. can you imagine a politician today going and saying, i'm about to lighten the regulatory burden on banks because they want to bash banks? >> they'll say that's what caused the crash in 2008. and even though it's not actually technically quite true. well, but there's a new labour government coming in. possibly, perhaps they'll sort it all out for us. yes i would, i would love to think that that's true. >> i mean, there is there's a tiny chance, for example, this does hit the little guy much harder than the big guy. and the labour party is supposed to care about the little guy. >> well, i tell you what. let's jamie, let's keep hold. hold on that point, but not hold our breath . thank you very much breath. thank you very much indeed. what? the farage moment. well, how many times have i criticised the covid inquiry? it doesn't end until the end of

2026. as i've said many times before, i reckon absolutely nobody, nobody will be held to account at all. but some new figures out today telling us that the inquiry is costing the taxpayer. it's a revised figure. this £300,000 a day, £300,000 a day for a talking shop that hasn't as yet addressed any of the serious, tough issues that is going on for years. folks, it's what's called a whitewash . it's what's called a whitewash. quick bit of political news. six months after the election in the netherlands, they finally formed a government. geert wilders, who topped the poll, will not be the prime minister. it will be a coalition of three, maybe even four parties. but it's taken them six months to get to this position . and i remember in 2010 position. and i remember in 2010 when it took about 5 or 6 days to form the coalition, most british press thought it was the

end of the world. sometimes life operates quite well without any government at all. in a moment, talking pints and my guest. well, he's a face you'll recognise . a voice you've heard. recognise. a voice you've heard. he's been around british television for absolutely decades, always with a joke , decades, always with a joke, always with a smile. in a moment, roy walker joins me on talking pints

catchphrase was an enormous television show. and, of course, its host. the man that dominated the whole thing. before i introduce him on talking pints let's have a look at a clip of him in. talking pints let's have a look at a clip of him in . action. at a clip of him in. action. >> let's see what you see. and you're about to see mr catchphrase himself. >> roy walker . very much .

>> roy walker. very much. >> roy walker. very much. >> thank you. thank you very much indeed . much indeed. >> good evening, and welcome to catchphrase. catch the money! catch the prizes. catch the holidays. i'll never forget the houdayi holidays. i'll never forget the holiday i was on last year. the sun, the sand, the dancing . i sun, the sand, the dancing. i was dancing with this very, very young lady. and all her friends were all round. they were all clapping and i was kicking it all this year, you know, i said, do your friends think i'm in the groove? and she said, yes. they all think you've got one foot in it. >> roy, welcome to the talking pint. cheers thank you for having me on. now, i'm not sure what to call you, by the way. not rude names, obviously, but do i call you tv presenter? do i call you singer? do i call you comedian? >> a lot of us started off as dance band singers. manning was mike reid was job, tom o'connor was. and then jokes became very, very popular. so we met this

fella called johnny hamp. and you couldn't get on the programme in the 70s unless she told jokes. >> yeah. and you've been telling jokes ever since. ever since. and do you have five years? yeah, but the trouble is, i've got friends who ? friends are got friends who? friends are comedians, and they all say comedy is getting harder and harder and harder. there are so many areas that you just can't tell jokes about anymore. >> well, of course there's all that follows on as everything changes. that follows on as everything changes . like music, you know? changes. like music, you know? swiftae. i mean, she'll earn more money in this week than what frank sinatra earned in a lifetime . yeah, and we don't lifetime. yeah, and we don't know one song she sings, you know, but her fans do comedy moves on. and i always think that the comedians today would have been us if it hadn't been born when we were born, and we would be them if we were born when they were born. >> okay, so we adapt to the times and our humour adapts with it. basically. >> yeah. you want to be a comedian? yeah. you know, you have to move with the times now. >> you know roy growing up in

belfast, post—war belfast, not a lot of money around. no. >> no one had any money. you know. it was we were known i was a war baby. my mother surrendered and you know, everybody was in the same boat. you didn't know had anything to measure it with. he was doing well. he wasn't , you know, but well. he wasn't, you know, but you were out there eight, 11 trying to earn money, trying to do things. >> and i read that there was an inspirational figure in your life. and mr corbett at school who introduced you to. >> yeah, the science teacher. yeah, yeah. >> and so suddenly you were introduced to acting. you were introduced to acting. you were introduced to acting. you were introduced to comedy? >> yeah . and a little bit of >> yeah. and a little bit of magic and, singing . and i got a, magic and, singing. and i got a, you know, a real buzz from doing it. and i thought, you never know . so one of us, 14, i was know. so one of us, 14, i was like, a chorister and the cathedral. and then i was sort of way discovered by a british choir that was passing through and went off with them . and i and went off with them. and i was on the palladium when i was 14. wow. you know, i was out of work when i was 15, waiting for

an apprenticeship in the shipyard. well, your voice changes, you know. yes, of coui'se. >> course. >> and i guess the shipyards was the traditional route for people in, in belfast. >> they say 30,000 people there. although if you ask some of the people that owned it, they'd say only half of them worked well these days. >> they wouldn't turn up at all. they'd work from home probably. yeah, probably. and then seven years in the army, right? >> yes. well, i was national service and then i discovered athletics , and i never did any athletics, and i never did any sport at school. and i discovered athletics , and i discovered athletics, and i became the northern ireland hammer throwing champion. and what have you, the northern ireland hammer throwing champion. >> yes. >> yes. >> we didn't have guns in them days. >> so you were obviously a very fit young man. >> i was i was a pt! and what have you. and then , i enjoyed it have you. and then, i enjoyed it and i got married and had children and what have you and decided i didn't want to be abroad. i'd been in the jungle for a year in borneo and i decided that i'd come out of the army and maybe go back into show

business. >> but i just spent three weeks in the jungle last time around, and that was. and that was long enough. >> yeah, that was long enough. >> yeah, that was long enough. >> was long enough for me. and kind of, you know, you marry jean and you come from different, different religious communities . yes. and that was communities. yes. and that was called a mixed marriage in those days. yes, yes. >> she was a woman. and, but we, we got along fine and what have you. and then, of course word got out that that was the way we were. and then, the, the guys, the guys come around and what have you. well i never really talked too much about that there because it was so many people had far worse done to them than what i had. i lost my shop, i lost my house, i lost my car. but i didn't lose my wife and kids. so we headed to england. >> you were driven out? yeah. >> you were driven out? yeah. >> they call it ethnic cleansing . i think it's a very posh word for it, but i didn't mind. i was young, i was in my 20s and what have you? i was i'd just come out of borneo. you've been three

weeks in the jungle, you know, it didn't seem like it was such a terrible thing. >> well, but the troubles were pretty awful. weren't they? >> for most people, they were horrible. horrible. you couldn't believe it. things like that would happen. but anyway , i got would happen. but anyway, i got away and i had a tiny little bit of talent and was welcomed into the north—east of england, which was clubland and the friendliest part of england. it's wonderful. it was . they were so kind to me it was. they were so kind to me and tolerant . some of the clubs and tolerant. some of the clubs were really, really difficult, but the worst thing about comedy is, is you can't learn unless you're doing badly. is, is you can't learn unless you're doing badly . yeah, you you're doing badly. yeah, you have to be dying. >> i think actually that applies to most of life, doesn't it? we learn through our mistakes and if we don't learn through our mistakes, we don't get anywhere. you fall back and then, you know, stunning success on new faces. i was very lucky in getting into new. >> i met someone, pat mooney. you call him? he had been on he was on the comedians and what have you. and he told me to write to. and i find a great

manager like the brian epstein of comedy. his name is mike hughes. and he had freddie starr and russ abbot and people like that. and ken goodwin, do you remember him? yeah. and they all became big names. you know, i was very old. i was like 45 and he still took me on and, lucky got a break. >> wow. it works. and you go on to catch phrase vast audiences . to catch phrase vast audiences. >> lots amazing, amazing. >> lots amazing, amazing. >> lots amazing, amazing. >> lots of money. >> lots of money. >> do you know he said something which, john kaye cooper came to see russ abbot. and i had a great night in the show at the bic in bournemouth. and, he said , roy, roy is very good. he said, we haven't seen him on television for a long time. and mike said, why don't you give him a go at that game show that you got? and he said, oh, he's too slow and too quiet, you know. and mike said the magic words , yeah, think of the money. words, yeah, think of the money. he'll save you . he'll save you. >> well, that may have been the case to start with, but you did very, very well. >> it was the easiest thing i ever did . was it, you know,

ever did. was it, you know, a game show host. some people can do the presenting and some people can't. yeah. you know. >> yeah, we're still trying here. jacob aren't we? but we're doing our best. >> the only thing is you leave your comedy behind and they don't want you to be the comedian. you know, like bob monkhouse and tarboe and all them, so it was becoming old fashioned to tell jokes on game shows. they wanted to get into the money and the visitors and the money and the visitors and the and the prizes. >> yeah. i want jokes personally. well, look , you personally. well, look, you know, most of our viewers will know, most of our viewers will know catchphrase, but some won't. so what we're going to do is we're going to do a little a little re—enactment is what we're going to do, and we're not stitching you up. roy, i absolutely. >> which one of you two is going to be mr chips? that's the thing. so he. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so i am going to put up three pictures here. now this is this is catchphrase. we're looking for political catchphrases and we're not being unfair on roy. jacob is here as the backstop . jacob is here as the backstop. and you're not in competition with each other. you're a team . with each other. you're a team. and i will give some clues. so can we please have our first

image? right now, roy, what we're seeing here, what we're seeing here is a tv, a tv , seeing here is a tv, a tv, handset remote being handed from one person to somebody else who is grabbing it. any remote control. control is part of the political slogan. >> okay, for control is part. >> okay, for control is part. >> if you think back to the referendum , what was one of the referendum, what was one of the big phrases in the referendum about control ? about control? >> jacob, >> jacob, let's >> jacob, let's take >> jacob, let's take back control. take back control . control. take back control. there we are. teamwork, teamwork, teamwork. very, very good. remember, remember. say what you see. say what you see. very, very important . say very, very important. say notpla. all right, let's have our second image, please . okay. our second image, please. okay. now this refers to a phrase from a prime minister. not that long ago, and you can see strength

here. >> strength? yeah. he's a arnold schwarzenegger sort of poser . schwarzenegger sort of poser. >> strength and strength and it was. well, i'll give you a clue. it was theresa may talked about being strong. and can you remember. no, she's not very memorable, really, is she ? memorable, really, is she? >> but i didn't say no, no, no, jacob, of course, was a huge supporter of theresa may. >> what is this image telling us? >> this is strong and stable. >> this is strong and stable. >> strong and stable. number two. very good indeed. right now we now have the last image. now this goes back this image. let's have a look please. this image goes back to youturn. yes. you're you're very very yes. it's about, tony. >> no. >> no. >> you turn the lady's not for turning. well done for tony. good, indeed. >> excellent. mrs. thatcher, that was exactly , exactly what that was exactly, exactly what i think you did. >> remarkably well there. i have to say, mary and jacob. jolly helpful as well . roy, what an

helpful as well. roy, what an absolute pleasure to have you on the program. >> it's great. great to meet you, what have you. >> and you must just love doing television. >> i i've been lucky enough to get into television and what have you i'd love to do the comedians and love comedy. you're lucky to find a profession that you love. if you can do that, you know life is so much easier . much easier. >> as someone once said to me that if you find a job that you love, it's not work. >> absolutely , absolutely. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> well, you're always smiling. you're. i can't think of an image of you when you've not been smiling. and it's an absolute pleasure to have you on the. >> oh, thank you so much. thank you. >> thank you jacob. >> thank you jacob. >> well that was fascinating. and what an insight into northern ireland just a few decades ago that you couldn't have a marriage between a catholic and an anglican and, and protestants. >> and you know, roy talks about that, but it's so recent really, isn't it. and you think how awful it was for so, so many people, jacob, what have you got coming up this evening? >> have i got coming up? we're going to be talking about sir keir starmers speech and his six

points and the enormous excitement. >> don't send them to sleep, for goodness sake. >> no keir starmer stirring up apathy across the country. i mean it really well. >> we had a former tony blair advisor on earlier and he said, that's it. those six points. that's what you'll hear between now and october or november. >> well, we did something recently on repetition because it turns out nobody knows anything about our current politicians. so they have to keep on saying it again and again in the hope of getting anything through. >> yeah, well, they're not like those tv stars of yesteryear, are they? with all that personality. no, they like it. i'm off. let's have a look at the weather with alex deakin. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. it's time for your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. there will be a few showers around tomorrow, but also some decent warm sunshine before that. a largely dry night ahead once the heavy rain that is affecting central parts at the moment clears away towards the moment clears away towards the west. the low pressure

driving the rain is making its way westwards across the uk and as it clears away it will take the worst of the heavy rain with it. so for many it is going to turn largely dry overnight, although across some parts of nonh although across some parts of north wales , northern england, north wales, northern england, perhaps into southern scotland, there'll be some thicker cloud here. and that cloud could bring some outbreaks of rain elsewhere . there will be some clear skies but temperatures not dropping a huge amount. most places holding up in double digits. we do need to watch out for some mist and fog first thing, particularly in the south—east i am expecting a few patches to develop overnight, but they should largely clear quite quickly as we go through the morning tomorrow . some brighter skies tomorrow. some brighter skies across other parts of southern england and wales. thicker cloud, though for northern england and wales, and this bringing some outbreaks of rain even into parts of southern scotland. sunniest guys, though, for northern ireland and the rest of scotland, albeit towards the far north—west towards the outer hebrides. here some thicker cloud could also be bringing some outbreaks of rain first thing tomorrow morning . first thing tomorrow morning. otherwise, as we go through the day, the thicker cloud across some northern areas should break

up a little bit. so some brightness breaking through here and elsewhere. there will be some decent sunny spells , but some decent sunny spells, but also a few showers to watch out for. they should be generally fairly hit and miss in nature, so many of us will avoid them. do watch out for some heavier ones. across parts of scotland, temperatures likely to be a little bit higher than today. for many of us, a low 20s quite widely so feeling pretty warm in any sunshine into the weekend and on saturday. watch out for some hefty, showery rain spreading its way across southern parts. elsewhere, there could be a few showers to watch out for, but they don't look like they'll be as frequent or as intense. perhaps fewer showers on sunday, but still the chance of some, especially towards the south. then monday is looking mostly fine. see you later . later. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight it's coats and ties off and sleeves rolled up for sir keir starmer as he sets out labour's six pledges to the nation. but once again, this is another chapter in labour's book of non plans. everything from migration to taxes and education to the nhs. this is a classic case of style over substance. the covid inquiry is costing you, the taxpayer, £300,000 a day, and it's now projected to reach a total bill of £200 million. it is the inquiry serving any useful purpose . is serving any useful purpose. is it too expensive and looking at the wrong problems while the government delayed the ban on new petrol and diesel cars to 2035, there remains in place a surreptitious net zero tax that could pass on £15,000 per car onto you. the consumer. it must be scrapped. plus, as one of thames water's directors resigns, i'll be calling for the utility ferm to be allowed to fail. so it's responsible.

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