say the people's forum we they say the people's forum we organise with rishi sunak did not display due impartiality. we are not going to take this lying down. ofcom have simply got this wrong and last thursday i had a 99 year old world war two veteran in the studio. we said we'd try and raise money to send veterans to normandy on june the 6th. it's been a great success. i'll update you on that during the course of the show. but first, let's get the news with aaron armstrong. >> a very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong. the prime minister has offered an unequivocal apology to victims of the infected blood scandal, describing it as a day of shame for the british state. the inquiry found a subtle, pervasive and chilling cover up from those in positions of trust and power, including the deliberate destruction of documents by government officials. the final report concluded patients were knowingly exposed to

unacceptable risks, and the scandal could have been largely avoided. more than 30,000 people were infected with hiv and hepatitis c over the period of 20 years. because of contaminated blood products and transfusions . transfusions. >> this is a day of shame for the british state. today's report shows a decades long moral failure at the heart of our national life, from the national health service to the civil service, to ministers in successive governments at every level , the people and level, the people and institutions in which we place our trust failed in the most harrowing and devastating way. they failed the victims and their families, and they failed this country . this country. >> well, the chair of the inquiry, sir brian langstaff, found victims suffering had been compounded by the slow pace of government compensation . and in government compensation. and in waiting for the conclusion of the report, rishi sunak had perpetuated the injustice. the labour leader, sir keir starmer , labour leader, sir keir starmer, also apologised, saying victims

had been failed by all parties, including his. >> i acknowledge that this suffering was caused by wrongdoing, delay and systemic failure across the board compared bounded by institutional defensiveness and, as sir brian langstaff makes clear in his report, any apology today must be accompanied by action. >> and victims say they've been waiting decades to be heard . waiting decades to be heard. >> sometimes we felt like we were shouting into the wind dunng were shouting into the wind during these 40 years when we told people they didn't believe us, they said this wouldn't happenin us, they said this wouldn't happen in the uk , but today happen in the uk, but today proves that it can happen in the uk. and it did happen in the uk and i just feel validated and vindicated . vindicated. >> and i think everybody today has read of the disasters that unfolded and, and sir brian has been very thorough and has not minced his words.

>> this was a systemic this was by government, by civil servants and by health care professionals. i think that really rocks what we think of as society and really challenges the fact that the trust that we put in people to look after us, to do their best and protect us, none of that can we take for granted anymore. >> finally, julian assange can mount a fresh appeal against his extradition to the united states on charges of leaking military secrets. the wikileaks founder will now be able to challenge us assurances on how a trial there would be conducted and over the protection of his right to free speech. mr assange faces prosecution on espionage charges relating to the disclosure of information about the wars in iraq and afghanistan , which the iraq and afghanistan, which the us argues endangered lives. well, that's it for the moment. for the latest on all our stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts using the qr code on your screen or our website has more details. now it's over to .

nigel. >> the infected blood inquiry reported today finally. and it really is finally subtle. pervasive and chilling was the cover up. that's how it's been described . and i have to say, described. and i have to say, you know, none of this is any dispute. we know that 30,000 people were infected with bad blood. we know that 3000 people so far have died prematurely, directly as a result. i've been scratching my head over it because in 1987, after i'd been seriously ill with a blood borne cancen seriously ill with a blood borne cancer, i was told that i should neven cancer, i was told that i should never, ever give blood. so i never, ever give blood. so i never did. and yet, whilst i was being given that piece of advice, it seems the nhs and others were buying in blood from america and other places from high risk groups like male prisoners. the whole thing beggars belief. but we knew . we beggars belief. but we knew. we knew 30 years ago that there was a problem and we did nothing. you see, in japan , everything

you see, in japan, everything concluded in 1996 with a financial settlement , with legal financial settlement, with legal challenges and with the full apology coming from the japanese government in france . it took a government in france. it took a little bit longer. it was 1999, but there in france, not only not only was compensation given to victims, but actual prosecutions happened . and yet prosecutions happened. and yet here in this country, nothing happens. nothing happens within the nhs, nothing happens within the nhs, nothing happens within the civil service. nothing happens within government . the happens within government. the odd backbencher asked a question here or there , and it seems to here or there, and it seems to me whether it's the postmasters or frankly, whether it's the covid inquiry, the one common denominator is that nobody is ever held to account as a result of what we saw today. i've no doubt the government will, within the next 48 hours, offer some level of compensation . but

some level of compensation. but will anybody actually face serious criminal charges , i serious criminal charges, i wonder.7 we heard from some of the victims and their campaigners today in the inquiry, firstly from clive smith , from the haemophilia smith, from the haemophilia society and then from jason evans , who is the leader in a evans, who is the leader in a high court claim that is going on at the moment. have a listen to what they had to say . to what they had to say. >> i think many of the politicians should hang their headsin politicians should hang their heads in shame . politicians should hang their heads in shame. i think for politicians should hang their heads in shame . i think for the heads in shame. i think for the first time we've seen people like jeremy hunt and other health secretaries speak up recently and actually start to acknowledge their part in this scandal because no single person is responsible for this scandal. it's been the result of generations of denial, delay and cover up. and there are . whilst cover up. and there are. whilst there might be an apology later today from the prime minister it's not just the prime minister who holds responsibility and accountability for this. there are many others out there and i would expect over the coming days and weeks for many more people to come forward and say sorry. >> i think the apology on behalf of the state will be welcome.

and i think something else the community would like to see is a proper apology from all of the pharmaceutical companies that manufactured factor eight and nine products, as well . nine products, as well. >> and one of the aspects that sadly the delay has caused is the fact that there are doctors out there who should have been prosecuted for manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter, doctors who were testing their patients for hiv without consent, not telling them about their infections, who then went on to sadly infect their partners. and he then went on to die. those people should have beenin die. those people should have been in the dock for gross negligence manslaughter for what.7 >> it is nothing less than a total and utter disgrace. and rishi sunak did today give an apology in the house of commons. but you know what.7 he wasn't even born when most of this happened. >> today i want to speak directly to the victims and their families, some of whom are with us in the gallery. i want to make a wholehearted and unequivocal apology for this

terrible injustice . terrible injustice. >> as i say, there isn't really much point in the prime minister apologising for what happened before the question is whether it's within the medical profession, whether it's within government , but who will be held government, but who will be held accountable. that is my question . i want you to give me some answers, please. farage @gbnews .com i think i know the answer. no one because they never are in this country. sunak later on in his speech talked about moral failure. well, that moral failure. well, that moral failure. i'm afraid, is all pervasive in british institutions . as jason evans, institutions. as jason evans, who you saw a moment ago, is director and founder of factor eight. jason, we just saw you in that clip a moment ago. for those that don't recall , just those that don't recall, just tell us quickly about a factor eight. >> so this was a new pharmaceutical product that came out in the 70s and it was made unlike a regular blood transfusion, you receive one unit of blood from one volunteer donor on the nhs. this was made by mixing together tens of thousands of plasma donations.

as from, as you say, the prison inmates or the high risk sources inmates or the high risk sources in the us or other countries as well, condensed down into a white powder, freeze dried white powder. that's the factor eight. and every single bottle of it was infected with hepatitis c throughout the 70s and 80s. and about a third with hiv. >> and has anybody in the pharmaceutical industry been held to account? >> nobody. nobody with the exception of japan, where we saw that the green cross was one of the companies in japan where you did see accountability there. but in the west, in the us here, no one. and we're talking about huge companies. the inquiry has named those companies bayer, baxter , revlon healthcare, huge baxter, revlon healthcare, huge companies, and there has been no one held. and we were warned by us lawyers coming into this inquiry. they said, you watch , inquiry. they said, you watch, you'll get a little bit of justice, but the people that made money off killing people, they won't be held to account.

>> jason, i guess for you it's a fairly bittersweet day in a way. i mean, your father died when you were very young, directly as a result of this, he lost an uncle as well. so i mean, your whole life has been, you know, radically upset and hurt by this. and yet, after all these years that you've been there, battling away at least today you've had your day, you've dominated the news agenda completely all day. you've managed to put your case out, probably to many, many millions of people who were only vaguely aware that there was a problem . aware that there was a problem. how do you feel at the end of a long day like this? >> well, i was four years old when my dad died of aids in 93, and so i was born into the fallout of this scandal. and for me personally , i've worked on me personally, i've worked on this day and night for about ten years now. and so to get to this point where finally we've got the truth and we've got some answers, it's extremely important beyond words. and we had specifically asked the government, i met with the

paymaster general, john glenn, on the 2nd of may, and we specifically asked, please , specifically asked, please, please don't announce compensation today because we want today to be about the truth and the facts. >> yeah, yeah. well, you've done that. you've done that very successfully . a lot of very successfully. a lot of very emotional testimony. and i suspect tomorrow's , by the way, suspect tomorrow's, by the way, very big public crowd outside all day. you know, people who weren't directly affected just felt they wanted to be there. i watched it at lunchtime. i couldn't quite believe , you couldn't quite believe, you know, what was going on. so you've done that. you've woken lots of people up. as i say, the press tomorrow will be full of many of the awful stories and the stories that are still happening. you know, today. compensation of some kind is coming . you are, at the moment, coming. you are, at the moment, the lead claimant in a high court case. where does this all go next? i mean, what is justice for you? >> it's very difficult, isn't it 7 >> it's very difficult, isn't it ? i mean, we had the apology from rishi sunak, detailed , from rishi sunak, detailed, though it was. it's not from the

person, the people responsible. >> it's the point i made and so i think ultimately at this removal of time from what happened , an apology from the happened, an apology from the state, compensation , it's state, compensation, it's probably the closest we're ever going to get personally , i'm not going to get personally, i'm not seeing the criminal prosecutions. >> i hope i'm wrong. i'm just not seeing it. but the main form of closure , i think that i and of closure, i think that i and the other families will get is that tomorrow morning, for the first morning in decades, we get to wake up and know we no longer have to fight for the truth. at least. >> well, look, i wish you luck with it, some of up to £10 billion is being touted. do you have any idea what they're going to offer ? to offer? >> i've heard that figure, too. i've heard it's going to be funded through government borrowing, so it doesn't have to be scored in the budget. that was reported by by the times over the weekend . we're over the weekend. we're expecting tomorrow when the paymaster general comes with his compensation announcement to hear the tariffs of

compensation. so if you were infected with hepatitis c, x amount, hiv x amount. so tomorrow we should get those numbers . numbers. >> and yet money is one thing. it's not really enough is it? >> it certainly doesn't bring people back. it doesn't give people back. it doesn't give people a new liver or anything like that. so, you know, it's difficult . but at the end of the difficult. but at the end of the day, people have financially lost an incredible amount. yeah. and that it's right that that is restored. >> well jason well done. you thank you. you've stood up. you've fought, you've campaigned, taking on the british state and all the different sectors of the british state, the giant big pharma industry. it's a heck of a difficult thing to do. and you've done it very, very successfully. i congratulate you, and i'll bet you every single person watching this now does as well. thank you. good luck and i hope it brings you some sort of closure. thank you. thank you very much indeed . thank you very much indeed. there you go. thanks. you see, it's not easy in the end. in the

end, some sort of justice does get done, but it's nowhere near enough. get done, but it's nowhere near enough . and why are we over a enough. and why are we over a quarter of a century behind germany, france and japan ? germany, france and japan? something is very rotten at the heart of the british state, and i really do seriously mean that. now the home secretary says that protest groups, be it just stop oil or someone like that, if they are putting, you know, out of business, self—employed traders, delaying people, getting to funem or flights or whatever it may be, that compensation will come from those protest groups to the people who are victims of their actions . i wonder whether it's actions. i wonder whether it's not a bit too late for all of this, whether now sort of protest of all kinds and even marching through the streets of london shouting terrorist slogans. i wonder whether perhaps we should have dealt with this some time ago. will this latest pronouncement actually make any difference, or

is it just being said, because we've got a general election coming up this year

? i asked you who will be held accountable. well, john says absolutely correct, nigel. nothing. nothing will be done about it . it's the way we do about it. it's the way we do things in this country. we're very sadly. john, i'm afraid i think you're right, mel says, and she's not wrong. this is why we need a change of government. someone new who's going to clean the swamp. well, he's his keir starmer going to clean the swamp. i'm not sure either of them actually are, alan says, as per usual, nobody will be held accountable. big money, big lawyers versus the little people. always the same outcome , people. always the same outcome, yeah, i'm afraid folks, that is right. and it was interesting,

wasn't it? you know, listening to jason about, you know, big pharma, you know, the mixing up of thousands of different people's blood to make this powder. i mean, the whole thing is unbelievable, but nobody gets held to account. well one group of people who might now be held to account. yes yes, yes, yes, we're going to get tough. the government, the home secretary , government, the home secretary, tells us we're going to get tough on just stop oil . we're tough on just stop oil. we're going to get tough on extinction rebellion. we're going to get tough on those groups who go out, close off roads , for out, close off roads, for example, don't just cause inconvenience science, but actually, you know , think of actually, you know, think of groups of people out there like the self—employed. i know that no one cares anymore about the 5.5 million self—employed and small traders, but i do . and if small traders, but i do. and if they're going about their day's work and they're disrupted for hours by people who are deeply concerned about carbon dioxide emissions, maybe they deserve some compensation from groups who seem to be extremely well funded. paul powlesland,

barrister from garden court chambers, joins me again. good evening. on the programme , paul. evening. on the programme, paul. i understand that people in extinction rebellion and just stop oil believe in their cause, i would love them to go and protest in indonesia or india or the streets of beijing, they wouldn't last very long if they did, because that's the cause. you know, if you're worried about co2, that's where most of it's coming from. and we do allow protest in this country. peaceful protest. some would argue, in terms of the palestinian marches every saturday, perhaps sometimes too much. but some of these tactics are genuinely affecting the lives of innocent people, whether it's small traders , whether it's small traders, whether it's small traders, whether it's small traders, whether it's people on the m25 getting to a parents funeral or whatever it may be, there does come a point, doesn't there, where protest is unaccept able, yes. and that would be violence .

yes. and that would be violence. >> but the disruption that just stop oil and other groups have caused pales into insignificance when seen against the disruption that climate change is already causing to this country and will cause in the decades to come. >> well, that's a that is a contested belief. >> that's a scientifically true . >> that's a scientifically true. >> that's a scientifically true. >> it's a contested belief. you know, we've always had climate change. we know that, but even if we believe that co2 is co2 without which we can't live, although some seem to think it's although some seem to think it's a pollutant. you know, the point is we are we are less than 1% of the world's co2, and that number's going down. >> so we have some of the highest historical per capita emissions. and the point is we don't. >> oh come on. >> yes, yes we do, we do. paul china has a hang on, hang on. >> china has produced more co2 in the last ten years than we've produced since we started off as a country. >> and the point is, is that when i'm protesting, i can't go to the chinese government because i'm not a citizen of china. i'm a citizen of britain. this is my country. i'm proud to

be british and i think my government should stand up and do the right thing and protect our citizens from the clear danger that climate change, the climate change cause we all live in caves tomorrow . in caves tomorrow. >> if we all live in caves tomorrow, don't eat meat, don't travel to work. it'll make no difference . what zero difference difference. what zero difference if no. >> if all people around the world do that, it will make a difference and they won't. >> you know why? every because. because the vast majority of the world's population and less than $3 a day, they want the things that we've got. they want cars, they want fridges. they want deep freezers. they want all these things. they want to become richer and we're not going to stop it. >> i think rather than a generalised debate about climate change, let's actually look at these proposals. >> and i'm looking at motivations. you know, this is what motivates you people. and i disagree with you, but your actions are unacceptable in a free society. i mean, people going in damaging artworks, i mean, this is not acceptable behaviour. >> i think when compared to the clear harm that climate change poses, it is because what is

going to damage more art over the coming century? it's going to be climate change, floods. why? because of floods. >> oh god. lord, listen, you can believe in your apocalyptic vision if you want. >> it's already happening. nigel. have you heard about that? have you spoken to farmers in this country about. no, no. no farmers, no food? >> what happened in the winter of 1836? it was a lot wetter than this year. you know, and it truly was. but your behaviour, your the is unacceptable. and the home secretary finally says he's going to get tough. and to begin with, it's going to be compensation. your groups are heavily funded by some very well known people. are you worried that all your money will be taken to pay compensation to those whose lives you damage ? those whose lives you damage? >> well, it's interesting, i mean, lord warner, who produces report, he's a paid lobbyist for fossil fuel firms and arms companies. and that's why that's why he's come up with these proposals. >> however. what you mean. >> however. what you mean. >> you mean. you mean you mean he works for companies that provide jobs and make wealth? >> you. however, you might you might be surprised to hear, i actually think this proposal might actually be good for just stop oil and other groups because it will at the moment,

we've got this thing where it turns into a big news brouhaha around isn't this awful? but actually, if people are forced to go through a legal process to get compensation from just stop oil, they might actually sit and consider who is causing the disruption here. is it these people standing up for their children and their grandchildren's future, or is it their government that is betraying them by not taking proper climate? >> do you think any of this helps your cause? i mean, you know, all you do is alienate , know, all you do is alienate, get a huge number of people. none of it is helping your cause. and generally we can see the protesters are middle class, privately educated, with names like jocasta and benjamin. oh, it certainly is working class background. yeah. no, no, they tied themselves to gantries on the m25 in their gap year or whatever it may be. how are you helping your cause ? helping your cause? >> it can be seen that every single time. climate protesters actually have a chance to be heard through our judicial system and have a chance for the evidence to actually be considered by ordinary people, rather than it being put through a media lens. ordinary people are actually sitting up and

noticing, maybe these people have a point. and that's why repeatedly, climate activists are getting they are getting acquitted by juries, and juries are hearing they have a right to acquit defendants on their conscience. i think they do. >> i think juries are scared, perhaps of the mob. maybe that's what. no, not at all. >> they juries have no, they they have no risk of being attacked by a mob. that's what they they are acquitting people because they actually hear the evidence in court about climate change and realise that actually, the far greater danger is not people bravely standing up to take action. the far greater danger is the inaction of our government . of our government. >> this is just nonsense. we have reduced carbon dioxide emissions by more than any other western government. we've done it by deindustrialising . we've it by deindustrialising. we've doneit it by deindustrialising. we've done it by putting people out of work. we've done it by making the country poorer. we're nuts to have done what we've done. and you still complain. >> we're not nuts. we should be. >> we're not nuts. we should be. >> you still complain. these acts of vandalism , you know, acts of vandalism, you know, people going into there was an attack, a couple of old deers attacking a cop, one of the four remaining copies of the magna carta the other day . and they

carta the other day. and they should be in prison for the rest of their lives, shouldn't they? >> it's interesting you talked earlier on about, you know, private school, jocasta. why? let's talk about instead about a female vicar in her church of england, vicar in her 80s. why is it clearly round the twist? no she's not, she's been, she's been. she should go to prison for the rest. i've read her books. she's a deeply heartfelt activist who understands that her moral duty in this time. so where does this stop? >> do you burn down public buildings? do you? i mean, where does this stop the logic of your argument? if you think it's acceptable for two old women to attack a copy of the magna carta, where does it start? >> they attack the case. the magna carta was. >> well, they were hitting it with a hammer. had the glass broken, it may well have damaged the document. i'm here they are. look. look at that. absolutely bonkers. i mean, they should be locked up for their own safety. frankly, they clearly, clearly can't look after i think. >> i think the question your viewers want to know is, why does where do you where does this why does a church of england vicar in her 80s feel the need to stand up and do these actions? >> and that's because probably

because she's lost her marbles. it's not. i'm asking you if you find this acceptable, where is your limit? sorry? where is your limit on what? >> i mean? i personally don't do actions that are what do you find that acceptable? i think the far greater harm caused to our country is not not from not from shattering a display case, but not from taking not taking the actions that we need to take over climate change with that last sentence, i rest my case. >> i think you've made the case for me. but you see, that's the point, folks. we at paul or i can come in, we can disagree. and we do disagree genuinely. we can do it in a pretty civilised manner. and we can say to you at home, we think you're big enough and ugly enough to make your own minds up. maybe you think paul's right. maybe you think i'm right. maybe you think i'm right. that's what we do. and yet, despite all of that, we're under attack again today from ofcom. i'll tell you all about it in just a moment. apparently, we don't show enough due

would you adam and eve ofcom are

after gb news us yet again. adam cherry, gb news reporter , tells cherry, gb news reporter, tells us more so. us more 50. >> us more so. >> right, let's let's do the let's do the big picture stuff first. nigel. so people's forum, the prime minister, this was a an hour long q&a with the prime minister in february , 15 minister in february, 15 questions posed by members of the audience . that audience was the audience. that audience was not selected by gb news, nor were the obviously downing street had no prior foresight of that either. it was selected by, survation, which is an independent polling company, so the questions and the audience were were we were going in blind here, we've been the ofcom said that we have not demonstrated an appropriately wide range of significant viewpoints , and significant viewpoints, and we're not given due weight in the people's forum. the prime minister, nor was due impartiality preserved through clearly linked and timely programmes . as a result, we

programmes. as a result, we consider that the prime minister had a mostly uncontested platform to promote the policies and performance of his government in a period preceding a uk general election. now let's take a look at some of these questions. in the supposedly uncontested platform. i think it'll be relevant. take a look at this. >> are you so adamant about rwanda? when public documentation shows it isn't working and that it's not going to work? so can you be open and honest with everybody today and tell us what the next steps are? >> social care is chronically underfunded and government has abdicated responsibility to local government, effectively making it a postcode lottery for many . many. >> do you agree that it needs radical reform , and if so, what? radical reform, and if so, what? >> why should lgbt people vote conservative, the uk is estimated to be short of over a million homes, but despite this, your party have scrapped the housebuilding target and you've scrapped michael gove's proposed planning reforms that would have liberalised the building of

houses. >> given the number of conservative mps not standing at the next general election and the next general election and the number of factions within the number of factions within the party, there appears to be a lack of leadership at the head of the party. what are your plans to bring the factions together? to build a team and to stop voter defections? to reform and other parties? yeah. >> why are the people who are in charge who told us all to do the right thing , have left us all right thing, have left us all tied up and left me and the thousands and the tens of thousands and the tens of thousands in this country to rot. rishi sunak look me in the eye. when are you going to start to do the right thing ? to do the right thing? >> so a 40 page dossier released today by ofcom explaining why they've ruled against gb news. i've flicked through it so that, you don't have to, nigel. right. ofcom acknowledges that the licensees representations acknowledge the licensees representations that the prime minister was not given an easy ride and that he was asked difficult and detailed questions about his party's record and policies. as we saw there. however, in ofcom's view, the

other and i'm now quoting directly from that report , the directly from that report, the other major political parties, and in particular the labour party , were likely to have had party, were likely to have had significant views and or positions on the approach to the policy priorities set out by rishi sunak. in other words, they're likely to disagree with they're likely to disagree with the government because they're the government because they're the opposite. really good lord, we did not consider the overall. the questions asked by the audience represented such significant views, and gb news had not demonstrated that those were included in the programme. so that's that's where we are at the moment , so that's that's where we are at the moment, it'll now go forward towards a sanction. progue process, saying 60 days, they're going to report and, considerable sanctions will be thought about. >> thank you very much indeed , >> thank you very much indeed, adam. and worth noting that in 2005, tony blair did the self—same thing on the bbc. no problem at all. when it's tony blair doing it. no problem. there he is. you can see him on your screens and that was absolutely fine and dandy. but is it because there is a lot of pressure being put on gb news

broadcaster and former bbc current affairs producer john mayer joins me live from oxford. mayerjoins me live from oxford. john, you know, as a channel that's relatively new, we have made some mistakes along the way. hands up. and we admit that icannot way. hands up. and we admit that i cannot for the life of me see what was wrong with that event with rishi sunak, given that we're inviting all the other party leaders to do the same thing . thing. >> nigel, it's good to be back on the tory party. there again. nice to see. nice to see you again. look, come on guys. you've been on ofcom's naughty step for a couple of years now. you've fallen off the naughty step. and so you say. oh and you start yelling look you've been ianed start yelling look you've been invited to play a football game and you come in, you played rugby and you and you start to tackle people and then you say, oh no, it's the referee's fault, let's have some var. he i'm asking you a question. >> i'm asking you a question . >> i'm asking you a question. what was wrong with that people's forum. he was asked extremely tough questions. some very personal questions too .

very personal questions too. what did we do wrong? >> i the problem you've just shown us. i mean nothing, but i mean there was a rather boring it's a rather irate people and poor rishi probably didn't handle it very well . have you handle it very well. have you had a people's forum for keir starmer? have you had one for the lib dems. have you had. yes for reform. yes >> they invited. they're all invited. >> had them yet though. have you had them. >> but no, the prime minister was the first. they are all ianed was the first. they are all invited to come and do exactly the same format , and i would the same format, and i would have thought it was a very good, fair, open format with a genuinely neutral audience where was the impartiality, much less due impartiality? >> look, i helped to invent. i think we're going to have to kill that guy. i'd be fired, i would be. would you produce of that program should be fired, right. >> we're very good, john. thank you. enjoy your bbc pension. i'm sure you are, well, there you are. right. moving on quickly, we're now told that newly trained dentists might be forced to work for the nhs to try and

tackle the dental deserts, rather than going abroad. good lord, i've been talking about that now for over ten years now. on thursday evening, we had 99 year old dorothea baron in the studio. let's remind ourselves of the fire that she's still got i >>i -- >> i don't emma >> i don't think we there'd been a turning point . the turning a turning point. the turning point, of course, was going in. yeah yeah. no going into france then we felt it. >> we're on our way. >> we're on our way. >> yes, we're coming in, we're getting back and we've driven you out. what? we haven't let you out. what? we haven't let you come into england. >> you've still got the fighting spirit, haven't you? >> oh, i sure 99. >>— >> oh, i sure 99. >> nice , i love it i, i storm >> nice, i love it i, i storm babeti >> nice, i love it i, i storm babet i know i can tell i wouldn't argue with you. >> i promise . well that was >> i promise. well that was delightful. and we did it because johnny gallagher, entrepreneur and big supporter

of veterans in this country, wanted to raise some money. he put his hand in his pocket many, many times before, but he wanted to raise some money, get public involvement, to raise some money, get public involvement , to try to big up involvement, to try to big up the significance of the 6th of june this year, the 80th anniversary of the normandy landings, and indeed the last event at which significant numbers of people who took part in that contest or supported it in that contest or supported it in some way will be on this planet and able to get together. and we were trying to raise some money. johnny joins me. johnny, i've been i put out a big charlie charlie appeal and i understand that gb news viewers and listeners have responded. yeah. >> so we've raised we've hit our target £100,000. >> so we've got ten of the veterans back who, by the way, were going to be sitting on their sofa watching. >> that's fantastic. >> that's fantastic. >> yeah. and the good news, we've had a few good things that come from it, two major things is one, we've actually had more veterans that have come and said, you know, can we join? we didn't know this was a thing. so

we've had over three, nearly four veterans now come and tell us that they want to take part. and if there's any more money, so the cause is still there, but most importantly, these people feel that this country is not what they fought for, and they feel people are forgotten about them. and when you hear their stories and they sit down with me and they tell me what they fought for, some of them are scared to leave their house, okay, in case they're getting stabbed or shot. i asked one of them to be on tv the other day, said, i don't leave my house at night time. this is not what they fought for. and by us coming together. and thousands of people supported this, i sat down with them. i said, look how many people still care about you. and i mean, so that's that for me meant a lot. that meant a lot to me. and it meant a lot to them, but it is really sad that that's how they feel. >> no, it is very, very sad. but you know, we will those of us that still care and i still think a majority of people do care, actually. i mean, i genuinely do. the fact we've helped you with your efforts to

get ten veterans that can go back and it's not a it's not an easy thing with 100 year old person, is it? you've got to have carers and yeah , there's have carers and yeah, there's a bit to organise. >> yeah i mean well the london cab trades are amazing and they are the ones. well that's the only way they can really get back because they've got the ramps. they can take them to places they do. you know, they help in their numbers. they come out of the black cabs to help them, but yes, it's not easy. and we actually lost one of the veterans very recently who was meant to go on the trip, which i'm afraid is going to happen. >> yeah. so we've got ten that you funded to go back so far. you know what? i raise a bit more money. >> yeah, i want to raise another 50,000. right so it's still there. the link, the donations, and i want to get more back. >> okay, johnny. well done mate, and i'm pleased that we can help you. i really, really am. so, folks, you know, you've given very generously already, but there's a qr code you can find on your screen. i'll make sure that it's there for much of the rest of the program. you can also google the taxi charity.org, and they're taking donations and you've done so

much for us. thank you enormously to our viewers and listeners for helping . if you listeners for helping. if you want to do more, we can send more world war ii veterans to normandy, which strikes me as being a very just cause . now, being a very just cause. now, i did say to you a couple of weeks ago that we would do a lot on this show in the run up to june the 6th, and if you believe the mail on sunday, we only have one aeroplane capable of dropping parachutists in a re—enactment of many of the parachute drops that took place the night leading into the dawn of june . leading into the dawn of june. music. in a minute. we'll debate. was it right? wasn't it? and is it because we've just slashed the armed forces so much in the last 14 years? we're not even capable of doing these

there were over 5000 types of vessels involved in the d—day operation. it seems almost

impossible to believe 150,000 men were landed on the beaches. but don't forget, a lot was happening up in the air. and we talked last week about the role that coastal command played, making sure u—boats couldn't get near the area. but just after midnight through to about 3:00 in the morning, there were a whole series of parachute jumps that took place into normandy and of course, gliders that went into gliders with men, gliders with equipment, gliders with ammunition , gliders with ammunition, gliders with vehicles. and it really was the most just totally extraordinary operation . now, the mail on operation. now, the mail on sunday, the mail on sunday ran a story that said it would not be possible for everybody that wanted to take place in a parachute jump to do so, because we didn't have enough raf vessels of ships , planes because vessels of ships, planes because of the cuts that had happened and the fact that hercules was no longer being used, it had

been taken out of circulation. that's what the mail on sunday ran. and today we've had the minister grant shapps saying this in the house of commons. >> mr speaker, we can newspapers report d—day celebrations are at risk from raf cuts. and the latest mod figures confirm nearly 50,000 full time forces personnel have now been cut since 2010. the defence secretary's predecessor admitted this government has hollowed out and underfunded the forces. he is right, isn't he ? is right, isn't he? >> well, mr speaker, first of all, i very much appreciate his support for ongoing support for ukraine. £3 billion a year. i do have to just gently say to him, it is not possible to provide that support unless you provide a route to get him there with the 2.5, otherwise it will come out of the rest of the budget. and when it comes to that story that i to read over the weekend, it is simply not the case. we

will have. in fact, i think it's 181 parachutists, exactly the same number as actually jumped in that location on d—day. >> well, extraordinary stuff. and john healey clearly putting him under enormous pressure there in the house of commons. labour getting the upper hand with the defence debate, whoever would have believed it. but that was better than defence minister james cartlidge, who extraordinarily said in the commons earlier the truth about the position in relation to d—day is we will have two a400ms. that's the aeroplanes available for june the fifth and 181 parachuters will be dropped . 181 parachuters will be dropped. the number is there because that was the number of paratroopers who landed on d—day and took the pegasus bridge . mercifully mark pegasus bridge. mercifully mark francois got up to explain that in fact, the pegasus bridge was taken by the ox and bucks light infantry, who'd gone in by guden infantry, who'd gone in by glider. this, folks, is the calibre of ministers we have today in the house of commons. well, let's try and find out

what the truth of all this is, what the truth of all this is, what the truth of all this is, what the plans really were and how what the situation is. i'm joined by paul biddiss, retired para and military adviser for film and tv. and paul, i understand that you've taken part yourself in previous parachute drops to commemorate normandy. >> yeah. that's correct. i was in the 50th anniversary of, the d—day landings , and, we had a d—day landings, and, we had a lot more than just, the numbers explained by actually what dropped into by glider , so there dropped into by glider, so there was a lot more going to say. >> how many, how many people jumped, do you reckon on the 50th, on the 50th, i would say, well , there was representatives well, there was representatives from all three battalions one, two and three para. there was four c—130s, which has 90 men jumping from each c—130. we also had the americans, we had the germans. we had every country going that jumping into that,

but there was lots of other airborne operations that were operating on d—day itself, and there was a lot more than what was described by the minister. i did chuckle when i heard that. >> well, yeah, whether one should laugh or cry, paul, it's quite difficult to know these days. so is your sense of it. is your sense of it that perhaps the newspaper story was right and that we just don't have the aeroplanes available? >> yeah, we i mean, there's always been a problem with airframe availability because of operations, so when we had the jays, we were fighting to , to jays, we were fighting to, to wars, iraq and afghanistan, we lost two, c—130s then that had an impact on the capability, exercises , training and, exercises, training and, anniversaries always as a low priority. however, if we saw if we, we call what we saw in russia only a few weeks ago their armed forces day, they had

one tank from world war ii on display , which shows the problem display, which shows the problem with their capability. now, if we cannot just, show our capability on a simple anniversary, which is an hour's flight away from raf brize norton, and we can only use one airframe, that's not a good demonstration of the uk's capability. >> no, it absolutely isn't. pauli >> no, it absolutely isn't. paul, i can tell you that on the 73rd anniversary of d—day, i was with the airborne division at ronville. which of course was the first village or town village to be liberated by british forces. and i kind of got the sense and of course, there were a lot more veterans around on that day than there will be this year, but i kind of got the sense talking to people who had served and were still serving in the parachute regiment, that this place is very , very special to you guys, very, very special to you guys, isn't it? >> exactly , you know, it's not >> exactly, you know, it's not only is it a part of our

history, you know, this is what we are. this is this is how the airborne forces were born. and this is what we were bred into. but this, the ethos of the airborne forces, which also helps on to, supplement special forces, which are also diminishing, forces, which are also diminishing , is being diminished diminishing, is being diminished as we speak now. and so and this is just another example of diminishing our defence, paul, i'm afraid, sadly, i'd love to challenge you , but i'm afraid challenge you, but i'm afraid that you are right. >> thank you forjoining me on >> thank you for joining me on the program. it's all a bit depressing . jacob rees—mogg depressing. jacob rees—mogg joins me in the studio. obviously today has been absolutely dominated in every way by the inquiry into contaminated blood. i was just musing earlier, you know, japan deau musing earlier, you know, japan dealt with this in 1996. france and germany dealt with it well, france back in 1999, germany attached later done over prosecutions upheld in some places , not in others, you know, places, not in others, you know, reasonably sensible compensation given to those who'd lost income or lost loved ones . we're a

or lost loved ones. we're a quarter of a century after them . quarter of a century after them. what is wrong with us? >> i don't know, and it's a deeper question than infected blood, because it's the same on all of these things. postmasters. absolutely. hillsborough. everything takes such a long time. and i'm concerned, as it happens, about a drug called primodos, which had an effect in the 1960s and 70s on babies, and still the government hasn't done anything about it. and so there are other ones there as well . and what ones there as well. and what really puzzles me is why ministers and civil servants want to cover up for people who have retired, have died, you know , no one's blaming this know, no one's blaming this government for mistakes that were made in the 1970s and 19805. were made in the 1970s and 1980s. and yet it still seven years since theresa may set up this inquiry. and we just need to get better at being honest with our voters about what is going on. >> rishi sunak did talk about moral failure, and i think this

moral failure, and i think this moral failure, and i think this moral failure runs deep through all of our institutions, and arrogance . arrogance. >> yes. i mean, look, everyone likes ken clarke . he as much as likes ken clarke. he as much as you enjoy his a pint. yeah, but his response to this when he was a minister was just arrogant. it was we can't be sure. and the judge in the report has had a go at him for this. the way he behaved then at the inquiry, he just didn't want to believe the state could possibly have got it wrong. and those of us who are in parliament in office should always be thinking , is my always be thinking, is my constituent right? have we got it wrong and not the other way ? it wrong and not the other way? the other way around? >> i expect no better from covid, i guess you're discussing this tonight, jacob. >> actually, we're going to be talking about ofcom. and its most extraordinary decision to say that being quizzed by the british people isn't good enough. no. any good enough if you're interviewed by a panjandrum. >> yeah. quite extraordinary. >> yeah. quite extraordinary. >> it was most bizarre decision. yeah. >> it really is, i feel it. i think it's pressure on them from the rest. >> i think that's right. i think

they've caved in to left wing pressure. pressure. >> yeah. no, so do i. absolutely. thank you very much indeed. that's absolutely. thank you very much indeed.thafsit absolutely. thank you very much indeed. that's it from me jacob, indeed. that's it from me jacob, in a moment. first, let's have a look at the all important weather. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office here on gb news. a messy picture with the weather tomorrow. most of us cloudier and cooler than today, but again, like today there will be again, like today there will be a few thunderstorms in place where between weather systems, but this area of low pressure is pushing up from the south and will generate a few more showers. we'll see the cloud thickening across east anglia and the east midlands with some showers here. the downpours we've seen across northern ireland, they will continue to fade through this evening and many places will have a dry night, a bit misty and murky once more on these eastern coast. quite chilly across scotland again. temperatures down to about 3 to 5 degrees in rural spots, whereas in the

south many towns and cities staying in double figures . a staying in double figures. a cloudier day. then on tuesday, particularly over the midlands, parts of northeast england and along the east coast of scotland, especially aberdeenshire , up towards aberdeenshire, up towards orkney. grey, misty and murky. with that ha sticking around but a good part of scotland actually starting sunny. generally a dry starting sunny. generally a dry start in northern ireland, but we are looking at some thunderstorms breaking out here later on and we'll start with a lot of cloud over the midlands, northern england and generally quite a drab day over central and eastern england . but some and eastern england. but some sunshine for wales and southwest england as the day goes on, increasing chance of again seeing some thunderstorms breaking out across northern ireland but also southwestern parts of england. and the met office warning in place . wet office warning in place. wet weather will continue to affect parts of central and eastern england . a few scattered showers england. a few scattered showers over the highlands, some brightness in western scotland, but as i said, most places cloudier than today and as a result cooler. more cloud and rain then spill in from the east as we head into wednesday. could be a very soggy day over parts

of eastern england and parts of scotland. some heavy downpours possible and in the south some brighter spells may well trigger some heavy showers as we go through the day , there will be a through the day, there will be a bit more of a breeze coming in from the east, so a cool day here with some brightness further south we could again get up to 20 celsius. bye for now. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

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set to double down on wokery, as new reported plans suggest it will abolish the requirement for a panel of doctors to issue gender recognition certificates . gender recognition certificates. doesit gender recognition certificates. does it learn nothing from the scottish nationalists ? does the scottish nationalists? does the united kingdom do you 0 canbbean united kingdom do you 0 caribbean countries £205 billion in reparations for slavery? my view, the answer is emphatically no. but this is what has been suggested by a senior cambridge academic. plus, northamptonshire police been accused of trampling over democracy amid allegations that a detective constable put pressure on a former local mayor to remove a democratically elected councillor for the crime of making posts to his amazingly large number of 76 twitter followers. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most mojolicious panel this evening, the former brexit party mep and

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