i'm jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ i'm margaret brennan in washington. and this week on "face the nation," iran launches a massive retaliatory attack on israel. will it lead to a major escalation of conflict in the

region? overnight, iran launched its first ever direct attack on israel. most of the hundreds of drones and missiles were shot down by israeli defense systems. and its allies, including the u.s. in a powerful show of international support. but how and will israel respond? and will those allies be able to keep the response in check? declaring before the attack that whoever hurts us, we hurt him, the pressure on prime minister netanyahu to not engage further and put an end to the war with hamas grows. president biden is also under pressure to rein in the israeli prime minister, and back at home, politically, america's support for the israeli side of the war with hamas in gaza is dropping, especially among democrats. we'll have the latest news and tell you why what happens next is crucial to the security of the middle east and the

perception of the u.s. around the world. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." as we come on the air, we're learning that the damage from those strikes overnight has been extremely limited. and we are now waiting word or actions from the israelis about their response. president biden spoke last night to prime minister netanyahu, and we'll hear more about that in a moment. here in the u.s., there is increasing political pressure on president biden on a number of fronts when it comes to doing something to end israel's six-month long war on hamas in gaza. our new cbs news poll, taken before the iran strikes, show that only a third of americans approve of president biden's handling of the conflict.

that's down five points since february. in fact, within his own party, more democrats now sympathize, quote, a lot, with the palestinian people. that's a larger number than sympathized a lot with the israelis. our debora patta reports from tel aviv on the attack and the aftermath. >> reporter: from the north, to the south, israel's powerful air defense systems intercepted more than 300 iranian drones and missiles with the help of the united states, jordan and the uk. it is the scenario everyone has feared since the october 7 hamas attack, a state to state confrontation that could spiral into a regional war. hard-line iranian supporters celebrated the strikes as the regime boasted that their operation, true promise, had exceeded their expectations. despite israel saying it

intercepted 99% of the incoming projectiles. >> a number of iranian missiles fell inside israeli territory, causing minor damage to a military base with no casualties. >> reporter: israel is still weighing up its response, but a former senior israeli diplomat to the u.s. told us president biden warned prime minister netanyahu last night not to retaliate. >> my understanding was that biden told mr. netanyahu if you act against iran, based on this, we will not stand by you. >> reporter: pinkas said netanyahu benefits from a war with iran, given growing anger here over his government's failure to protect israelis from the october 7 attack. >> mr. netanyahu wanted an escalation with iran as early as november. for him, it was a way to change the narrative to distance himself from october 7th by

wrapping it in a bigger story, in a bigger narrative. >> reporter: just hours before the attack, tens of thousands of israeli demonstrators took to the streets of tel aviv, protesting against netanyahu's mishandling of the war in gaza and rising tensions with iran. pinkas told us iran had deliberately telegraphed details of the strike and knew most of the missiles and drones could be shot down, allowing iran a shock and awe spectacle with minimal damage, that israel can choose to walk away from. >> that's our debora patta in israel. and we turn now to coordinator for strategic communications at the white house, national security council john kirby. good morning and welcome back. >> thank you, margaret. good to be with you. >> do you believe that iran intended these strikes to be successful and lethal or just look like they could be? >> no question. look at the size and the scale,

the scope of what they fired at israel, from iran proper. more than 300 missiles and drones, they wanted to cause damage, no question about that. but they were utterly unsuccessful in doing so. >> well, israel clearly has the military upper hand here. but the israeli foreign minister said days ago that if -- israel will respond if iran attacks from its territories. you just said, they did exactly that. so, has israel committed to the u.s. that they will give a heads up before they take action against iran? >> i don't think i'm going to go into the details of the conversation that we had last night between the president and the prime minister. it was a good conversation, really focused on the incredible success that israel achieved last night, with their partners. i mean, two really things are clear about last night. one, israel doesn't stand alone. and the united states stands with them as well as others. and, two, the israeli military does have superior capability to be able to defend itself.

but as for what the -- what the next steps are, i think i'll leave that to the prime minister and the war cabinet to talk about. >> and that war cabinet meeting is ongoing. but i ask, because as you know, the u.s. has significant presence in the region. troops in iraq, in syria, in jordan. >> we do, indeed. >> there is risk to them. >> absolutely. >> and you said and pentagon spokesperson said that the u.s. was not notified in advance by israel before they carried out the april 1st attack that started this chain of events. should they have forewarned the united states and as a matter of principle, what is the u.s. position on bombing what iran says was a diplomatic facility? >> again, i won't talk about the details of that particular strike. to the larger point, we do have a lot of troops in iraq and syria, going after isis. we have a lot of facilities elsewhere in the region and ships at sea. and so, what happens there certainly has an effect on us. and we do want to make sure that the conversations -- we want to

make sure the conversations we're having with the israelis are as contextual as possible so we can make the necessary preparations for our own troops and facilities. the other message the president sent over the last few days and certainly discussed last night is we're going to take whatever steps we need to take to protect our troops, our ships, our facilities in the region going forward. that was the case last night, before the strikes last night, and it is going to be the case going forward. >> does the u.s. need to be prepared to draw down a presence from any of our diplomatic facilities? are we positioned -- >> that's a conversation that president and secretary blinken are having literally in real time. they talked about that as well yesterday. i won't speak for secretary blinken and the state department. they'll make those kinds of force protection decisions as they see the threat in the region. but the threat changes from time to time, and you always are monitoring that. >> i know you want to go into a phone call between leaders, but the fundamental premise of what we're talking about here is the blowback for the united states. so, do you have reason to believe that prime minister

netanyahu shares the desire, not to escalate this further, which the president has made clear is his intent? >> i would say that the prime minister is well aware that the president is not looking for a conflict with iran, that the president doesn't want tensions to escalate anymore, and that the president is doing everything and has since the 7th of october to try to keep this from becoming a broader regional war. i mean, one of the reasons we were able to help the israelis knock down so many of these missiles and drones is because the president made decisions in recent days to preposition additional ships in the eastern mediterranean, and an extra fighter squadron in the region. that literally had a huge impact on last night. >> to deter what could have been wo worse? >> to prevent a greater sense of destruction inside israel. >> would the u.s. participate in offensive action if there is an israeli reprisal? >> i won't get into hypotheticals, margaret, as i said. the president's made it clear we're not looking for a war with

iran, not looking for a broader regional conflict and everything we have been doing since the 7th has been designed to prevent that outcome. >> the irgc went on tv saying they sent a message if the u.s. participates in a reprisal, u.s. bases and personnel will not be in the security zone. >> mindful of the comment and the statement. i'll go back to what i said before, we're not looking for a war with iran, not looking for a broader regional conflict, but, the other thing the president made clear is we will do what we have to do to help israel defend itself and we did last night. and we will do everything we need to do to make sure our troops, our facilities and ships at sea in the region are also protected. we have interest in the region too. we're all focused on israel and rightly so. but we have broader national security interests in the middle east, we have a force posture that we're constantly monitoring to make sure we can meet those interests. the president takes that seriously. and that has been communicated to iran as well. >> and the iraqi prime minister will be at the white house this week, talking about that troop presence as well. >> tomorrow. tomorrow. yes.

we do anticipate having a good discussion about not just the force posture, but the mission set inside iraq and what that looks like. it is an advise and assist miss. it is to help the defense forces. >> hamas rejected this latest proposal for the release of hostages, saying it proves the hamas leader in gaza does not want a deal. does the u.s. share that assessment? is the diplomacy dead or is this just another bump in the road? >> we're not considering diplomacy dead. there is a new deal on the table that director burns negotiated a week or so ago in cairo. it is a good deal. it would get dozens of the most at risk women, elderly, wounded out, get us a six-week cease-fire, so a little bit more calm, and get us an opportunity to get more humanitarian assistance in. the hamas leaders need to take that deal. we're not considering this dead at this point. >> so the mossad rejection is

not closing the door? >> we're not considering it a dead letter. >> last sunday you told us the u.s. expected to have talks with israel, perhaps as soon as this week, about their plans to go into southern gaza, into rafah. when is that happening? do we have any further details? >> we think that discussion, first of all, there has been some staff technical level talks, even since you and i last spoke. we expect that larger conversation with our israeli counterparts to happen in coming days, hopefully this week. >> hopefully this week. >> hopefully this week. >> john kirby, thank you very much. >> thank you. well, we turn now to the republican chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, texas congressman michael mccaul. welcome back to the program. >> thanks for having me, margaret. >> we just heard from mr. kirby about the conversations in regard to u.s. personnel in the region. in your role, you have oversight of the state department and some of these embassies. how concerned are you about the security threats to americans abroad, and is the u.s. prepared to do an evacuation if needed? >> we're always concerned.

we don't want escalation in the region. that would be a threat to our troops and our embassies. as i understand, talking to the state department, the embassy is in good shape right now. >> in israel? >> yes. i think the fact of the matter is mr. kirby mentioned, 99% of the rockets and drones were shot down. impressive display of force, showing of force, in collaboration with the united states, jordan, and other allies. and it also showed us iran's not ten feet tall. >> not ten feet tall. militarily. fair assessment there? i'm sure then you don't agree with some of your republican colleagues who are saying that this necessitates any kind of military action against iran? >> well, i do think that this is a choice for israel. we cannot have daylight between us. we had some daylight prior to this, joined with them, and i know gantz came out with a statement saying we want to be joined with our regional partners. i think a proportionate response

here, i think one option would be to take out the facilities where these droenznes and rocke came from and destroy the manufacturing facilities that build the drones and rockets, not just for israel's sake, but also for ukraine's sake. these rockets and these drones are being bought by russia and they're killing ukrainians every day. what happened in israel last night happens in ukraine every night. >> and ukraine's ambassador to the united states was tweeting about that point. she called an axis of evil between russia, iran and north korea. but the speaker of the house doesn't seem to share -- we talked about this before, the sense of emergency that you have. why is there still not a date for a vote on ukraine? i did see the statement from steve scalise, the whip saying that there should be a consideration of legislation to support israel. but what does that mean? is that a vote of the national security supplemental? >> that is a speaker determination. i'll be speaking -- talking to

him this evening. with other national security people and chairs. i think it is -- i talked to the ambassador, our ambassador to ukraine as well. she said the situation is dire. you know, kharkiv could implode any day now. that's 2 million people. and the power grid is under threat right now. if the power grid goes out in ukraine altogether, we don't have time on our side here, margaret. we have to get this done. i would implore -- what i need to educate my colleagues, they're all tied together. i mean, iran is selling the stuff to russia, guess who is buying iran's energy? china. and you know why, because we lived it or waved the sanctions that we had, this administration, on the drones, and the missiles, and on the energy. this is giving them $100 billion in cash to fund their terror operations. and that's why we're seeing this. >> okay. but you still don't have a commitment from the republican speaker of the house to vote on what you say is a republican priority.

that has to drive you mad here. do you expect to get an answer when you talk to the speaker tonight? >> i have a commitment that it will come to the floor, my preference is -- >> when? >> -- this week. >> your preference? but still an open question. i mean, the speaker of the house went down to mar-a-lago this week, stood beside donald trump and we have not heard the republican front-runner in any way endorse the package that you are saying there are republican votes to pass. >> he did say he supports this idea of a loan program 80% of the funding goes into -- >> that's not in the national security supplemental. >> well, that would be added in our bill. right? and in addition, repo, my statute to get into the russian sovereign assets to help pay for this, you know, in addition 80 billion -- 80% of the ukraine funding goes into our defense industrial base to replenish and modernize our stockpile in the united states. these are all compelling arguments that the senate bill doesn't have. and so i'm an eternal optimist.

we didn't pick and choose our enemies in world war ii. we went after all of them, japan, italy, and germany. we can't just pick, you know, and say iran's bad, but russia's okay, and china's bad. >> can't do stand alone -- >> they're all in this together and it is very clear to those of us in the intelligence national security community. >> you said something interesting here. you said you have to educate your colleagues. our polling shows that among republicans, the most trusted source of information on ukraine and russia is donald trump, 79%, congressman. 60% trust the pentagon. conservative media is 56%, which is separated from actual journalists in war zones, which is 33%. the state department, 27%. how do you fight that information war when the republican front-runner for the presidential nomination is helping to spread some of that

disinformation? >> i think that's precisely why the speaker went down to mar-a-lago to talk to him about the ukraine package, to get him to agree that, you know, this loan program for direct government assistance like the eu does would be acceptable. remember the first lethal aid package ever went to ukraine that i signed off on, $300 million, came from the trump administration. they don't want to see us lose in ukraine, like we did in afghanistan, the repercussions long term, weaker america, not stronger. i think he wants to help us get to the point where he gets in and he can finish the job. >> but that doesn't graphic tell us that in order for any bill to pass, you need donald trump to endorse and even though he's not in office? >> you know, i'll be honest, he has tremendous influence over my conference. and that's why it is important that we have these discussions with him. we also -- we're all independent thinkers, we represent our own districts. i happen to think that we haven't seen a threat like this

since my dad was in world war ii and if we don't stick together against this unholy alliance, that came after afghanistan, remember afghanistan was the turning point, and that is when the russian federation came into ukraine, taiwan, ayatollah rearing its ugly head. >> first invaded in 2014, but -- >> correct. >> i take your point. congressman, we'll see if that phone call changes minds or if the meeting in mar-a-lago did. we'll follow this. thank you. >> thank you. >> "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight. ozempic® isn't for people with type 1 diabetes.

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♪ >> welcome back to "face the nation." we're continuing our conversation now with senator mark kelly. senator, before we leave national security space, i want

to ask you about some u.s. intelligence information, declassified and shared with reporters this week at the white house, that china's surging equipment to russia for its war with ukraine, helping moscow fill gaps in its production cycle, including helping to produce drones and artillery. why is china using this moment to help russia with its war in ukraine? >> well, i think they realize that russia, the outcome of this war, russia against ukraine, is critical for their own decisions with taiwan in the western pacific. this is all connected. iran, ukraine, china. the stock of ukrainian ammunition is dwindling. they're going to run out of ammunition, russia's capacity, we look at this all the time, is going up, with the help of china. russia can win this. if we support ukraine, ukraine can win. we passed an emergency supplemental two months ago. it is sitting on the speaker's

desk. he should bring that to the floor tomorrow night. get it passed. this is also going to help israel. we can replenish the stocks that they used last night. >> i take your point, senator, on them all being connected. i want to ask you about what is happening in your home state of arizona. as you know, the state court ruled in 1864, civil war era law can take effect that would criminalize abortion. it is on hold at the moment. but this is a live issue. do you have confidence that your state legislators will take action before it goes into effect? >> well, let me start by saying this has been a disaster for women in arizona. they have lost the fundamental right to abortion and it is all because of donald trump. and our legislature, yeah, they tried to fix this a couple of days ago. that did not work. we got to get -- we got a ballot initiative in november to fix

this. donald trump owns this. he said just yesterday that he broke roe v. wade, and because he did that, this enabled our court to bring back this draconian 1864 law to take away this right and send doctors to jail. >> to be fair, your republican state legislators have some agency here too that they could have done something different. but i take your -- >> they could have. they could have and they did not do anything about it. they had the opportunity. >> but there is that initiative you just mentioned to put on the ballot in november a chance for your state to vote on this particular issue. and it would guarantee abortion access up to viability, which is anywhere between 21 and 24 weeks, typically, of pregnancy. from a political position, how much is this going to help offset some of the disappointment and exhaustion

we're seeing in polling from democratic voters? will this issue drive up turnout in a way that benefits the president in your state? >> well, my first concern is women in arizona and their health. and women could die from this 1864 ruling that once again was enabled by the former president. so that's my biggest concern. we're going to have an election in november. i imagine we're going to have large turnout because of this issue. i also want to point out, margaret, i don't think this represents who we are in the state of arizona. this is a moment in time, we're going to get through this, we have an opportunity to fix this in november. >> well, we'll be watching to see what happens, senator. thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. thank you, margaret. we're going to go now to the former commander for u.s. central command, general frank mckenzie who is also the author of a new book "the melting point" available in june.

general, welcome back to "face the nation." given what you just saw play out in the last 24 hours, i wonder if you think that deterrence has been re-established, and on the spectrum of options that iran had before it, how big did it go last night? >> first of all, good to see you, margaret. i think this was a big attack by iran. i think this was as close to a maximum effort they could generate and i'll illustrate it in this way. iran has over 3,000 miss liles various types scattered around the country. they have a hundred, probably more than that, missiles in western iran that can target israel. based on what the israelis are saying, i think they fired most of them at israel. iran could not replicate last night's attack tonight if they had to. they also used cruise missiles

and drones to try to present a multidimensional problem to the israelis. it was a maximum effort. the iranians will back track and talk about moderation, there was nothing moderate about this attack and i think john kirby nailed it precisely when he was talking to you earlier about the nature and scope of the iranian attack. it was indiscriminate and designed to cause casualties. we should consider that as we take a look at it. has the terrorists been reset? i think the israelis performed magnificently with our assistance and other nations in the region including the united kingdom. now the iranians have to sit back and consider what they considered their most important capability, their ballistic missiles, drones, and their cruise missiles have now been employed in a major combat test and frankly that test has failed. so, i think israel, this morning, is now much stronger than they were yesterday, and iran is relatively weaker than it was yesterday. >> but now it comes down to political decisions that

israel's leadership will be making. and as you heard john kirby say, those decisions haven't been meat y made yet on what a reprisal would look like by israel. would you advise for israeli leaders to pull back here? how concern ready ed are you ab regional escalation? >> one opportunities for a victor in a major battle that israel won is the opportunity to use restraint. i would council restraint. there would be voices that will urge israelis to take out the iranian nuclear program, which i think is a false chim ra anyway. if you do something, they may have to do something, i would be precise and short. the fact of the matter is, israel can name the price they want to exact. the wide gap between iranian zealotry and confidence has been laid bare for all to see.

the israelis will be able to do what you want. but sometimes showing restraint is the best option you can take. >> chairman mccaul was here and he said we see iran is now not ten feet tall. it sounds lake like you're sayi israel can shrug this off. >> i don't think israel can shrug it off. they have to be concerned about lebanese hezbollah. they can hurt israel if they come into the fight. last night, there were some tactical back and forth in the northern border but nothing like the volume of fire they could have generated if they wanted to come into the fight. the fact they did not choose to do so is i think very very important. it is a very important thing to note because they know and understand what israel can do to them. i've never viewed the iranians as being ten feet tall. i don't think the israelis have either. i have a healthy respect for their enthusiasm. and their willing not to undertake things that we saw last night. but now the iranians have got to

sit back and -- they'll never say it publicly, they're going to have to examine, re-examine some of the very basic concepts of the way they have constructed their military. >> lebanese hezbollah has been -- has not entered this conflict to date in a substantial way. you've been warning for a while that's the player to watch. you were directly involved in the taking out of irgc commander qassem soleimani during the trump administration and iran's retaliation at that time was viewed as fairly restrained. how concerned should the united states be, though, now in this moment about u.s. personnel and u.s. troop presence in places like riraq and syria. the issue is the iraqi prime minister visits at the white house. >> our forces distributed across iraq and syria supporting the armed forces of iraq and

anti-isis operations and sdf partners, those forces are vulnerable to an iranian or iranian proxy attack. we recognize that. i think that's why the president has been very forceful in warning them. it is very instructive that the iranians did not choose to attack us as they conducted a major strategic attack on israel. so they listened to that. the iranians know that we have the capability if they choose to fight us, to hurt them very badly. i think the iranians will think long and hard before taking attacks against us in the future. >> if israel were to respond, would you have suggested targets? what would you expect? >> well, israelis have a lot to choose from, inside iran and outside iran. my only strategic advice would be you want to be narrow, you want to make sure that it is a -- it has a defineable beginning and end and the iranians know when it is over, but the fact of the matter is israel can name its price right

now. and that's a very heady position to be in. but it is also a position that calls for exercise and strategic restraint and a view to the long-term and israel has an opportunity here, i think, to demonstrate that, and to seize the diplomatic initiative really in an arena where they struggle to do it over the past few months. >> we'll see if they make that political decision. thank you very much for your analysis. we'll be right back. see if thet political decision. thank you very much. we'll be right back. [luke gasping] (marci) no eyebrows? (luke) think of how light it'll feel in the summer. we gotta run. eleven thousand more neighborhoods to go! (vo) ding dong! homes-dot-com. (vo) verizon small business days are coming. april 22nd to the 28th. get a free tech check. and special offers and deals. don't miss out. partner with our experts today.

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choices the prime minister has been making lately. there are sources that i speak to within the biden administration, who are concerned about the decision-making netanyahu is taking on, and sources in the region who say there is a political benefit to more. did iran just throw benjamin netanyahu a lifeline at a time he's politically embattled at home? >> i think that when we take a step back and look at how israel views the threat of iran, this is an existential threat to the state of israel. we cannot forget that. that said, we're working closely with the government of israel while at the white house. it is true benjamin netanyahu has been staking his political dominance on existential tlhreas to israel and remaining in power. it will give netanyahu more to hold on to.

at a time of such uncertainty for israel, the political paralysis which would come up from early elections would create a state of political uncertainty at a time when all resources from benjamin netanyahu on down do need to be focused on countering iran. >> gantz said this would be in september, so early, but not in the middle of the war, essentially. but we'll see what happens. and how many wars exist potentially, right, in the coming months. this is so on edge. i know that in our own polling we see that half of this country believes the threat of terrorism will increase. not just for israel, but also for the u.s. because of this ongoing israeli war with hamas in gaza. the fbi director testified this week saying the number of investigations have escalated since october 7th, these are self-radicalized people. how should americans at home understand this threat

domestically? >> let's keep in mind, what happens overseas often doesn't stay overseas. from a counterterrorism perspective, i was in the room after october 7th. the administration has been deeply focused on really ensuring two things. one, that foreign terrorists don't seek to travel to the homeland to inflect damage here. but more importantly, we know factually speaking that terrorist groups in iran, whose is the largest state sponsor of terror in the world, uses these kind of high profile events like what we saw last night as mass marketing opportunities. iran's attack against israel is a mass marketing opportunity from iran and its proxies to try to radicalize supporters. we know that terrorist organizations have been using the israel hamas conflict to try to inspire supporters and operatives all around the world to act, primarily against places of worship and he's believed to be associated with the state of israel. why i don't believe there is a homeland security nexus to what

unfolded last night in the homeland at this time based on sources i've been speaking with. however, out of an abundance of caution the federal government, state and local partners are taking every step possible to ensure that nothing reverberates here. we saw the homeland security adviser in the meeting with the president, secretary blinken, secretary austin and others last night. we have seen at new york police department, l.a. police department and others indicate they're increasing patrols around places of worship and what we need right now is for law enforcement and intelligence partners to remain vigilant. and for members of the community to speak up if they see anything suspicious. because the biggest international terrorism threat facing the homeland right now is individuals inspired by what they're seeing overseas to action. >> and we know -- the director of national intelligence testified that the israeli war in gaza will have a generational impact potentially on terrorism. and we're seeing in our polling support for israel's war there

dropping. how concern ready your former colleagues that israel is losing strategically the fight and becoming more isolated. >> from a counterterrorism perspective, it is a fact that what is happening in gaza is being used again as a mass marketing opportunity. not only because the suffering is incredibly difficult for anyone to watch, hamas and other iranian proxies are using those images to try to rally support against israel, whether it be here in the homeland or more broadly across the world. i think the biggest concern right now is ensuring that israel has what it needs to deter iran not just today, but going forward. when we think about what israel's next move is going to be, we also have to think about what the international community is going to do to ensure that iran loses the funding, to -- for its ballistic and cruise missile program and tries to take -- takes a step back from funding terrorism around the world. >> we'll see what that international response is at the u.n. and elsewhere. sam, thank you very much for your analysis. we'll be back in a moment. lysis.

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we're back with the managing director of the international monetary fund, kristalina georgieva. i got it right this time.

>> you did indeed. >> okay. oil markets have been swinging because of this instability in the middle east, escalation risks, the threat to global shipping as well. can you gauge at this point what the economic impact will be? >> so far it has been somewhat moderate. we have seen on friday when the news of potential strike from iran into israel came, oil prices jumped by 1%. we have seen so far the impact of this conflict primarily in the epicenter affecting israel and in particular devastating gaza and west bank with spillovers to the neighboring countries. even the shipping distraction in the red sea has not yet led to a major impact, but any impact, as

small as it might be, is not desirable in an economy with high uncertainty. and inflation still not being brought down to target, very simple. oil prices go up. inflation goes up. so, what can be done to bring down uncertainty is, of course, for others, for those in politics, the military, from an economic standpoint, the more we reduce uncertainty, the better. >> we have a lot of uncertainty right now. one of them being the u.s. congress and funding for these conflicts. congress is looking at authorizing the biden administration to seize russian state assets. potentially for use in a negotiation or to rebuild ukraine. what do you think of that idea? >> this is really for the jurisdictions that have

authority to take a decision, to make -- what we do is we look at it and then we assess what the impact might be. >> right. >> and then, of course, it is a matter of how would that be received as news across the world, countries that are holding their reserves and let's remember today, there are $11 trillion in reserves in countries around the world. they would be looking at that with some attention. so, what our position is, when a decision is being taken, whatever the decision is, please think of the consequences and especially the law of unintended consequences and factor it in. >> what you're saying there is this could essentially cause, what, a flight of assets out of the banking systems in europe in particular? >> we have not seen the reaction

to be of that magnitude. our point is very simple. we have an integrated global economy. even with the winds of fragmentation, still countries are connected with each other. so whatever decision is being taken, take it with an eye of the desired impact and also of what might be an unintended consequence. >> we're going to -- we're in an election year, as you know. goldman sachs put out a report outlining potential tariff increases as the most important issue for the economic outlook if president trump were to be re-elected. he continues to float ideas of tariffs from 10% to 60% or upwards. how would you inggauge the impa in the risk of doing that? >> let me reflect why we have seen over the last decade a backlash on globalization. we know a world economy lifts up

growth prospects and leads to improvement in standard of living. but, not for everyone. what we have seen is that communities that have been negatively impacted by globalization and have not been attended, they have not been helped to cope with it, are the backbone of this backlash that we are seeing today. so my most important point is trade is good. but it is not necessarily good for everyone. and policies have to reflect on that. we have to make sure that the benefits are more broadly shared in society. >> tariffs would add to inflation as well. you agree? >> of course. there is -- let me just be very clear, the reason we are proponents of an integrated world economy is because it

brings costs down, and it increases the well-being of people around the world. so, we are on the view that we should be striving to have a more integrated economy. and let me say this, what we're seeing is already trade patterns are shifting. what is the impact? the impact is the so-called connector countries play a bigger role. so you don't see trade from a to b, you see trade going a to b to c to d. so we are lengthening the supply chains and that, of course, leads to high cost on consumers and as you said, not great for inflation. >> well, you have a lot of work ahead of you in this second term. you were just re-elected too, congratulations on that. >> thank you. >> thank you for joining us. we will be right back. us. >> we will be right back.

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