>> rose: welcome to the program. tonight, amy schumer for the hour. >> this is the most personal thing i've ever been a part of. it's just literally what happened and how i felt about it, and there are still jokes in there, because even at the time i found the humor in it, but it's -- yeah, it's just completely raw. there is no facade. you know, it's standup. it's still a little bit of a character, even though i feel like my standup is getting more and more personal, but this book, it's me, and it's all true. i think just being open to evolving and, so, what was funny to me and how i was doing stand-up ten years ago is very different than how it is now. >> rose: how so? well, i was really doing a character when i started, sort

of this -- >> rose: how would you define the character? irreverent? >> irreverent, just, like, white idiot. just, like, a stepford-y sorority girl who didn't know better with a lot of one-liners. you start out and you're just getting stage time however you can, but most shows are open mics, which means you're performing only in front of other comedians waiting to perform who paid to be there. it's productive, but it's a rough thing to do, and there is not great energy in the room. so i would have to surprise people into laughing. if you get a laugh at those, it's not easy. >> rose: and they would be surprised they were laughing? >> yeah, because everybody is looking at their notebook to go up so you would have to say something that caught them offguard to pay attention, so there was more of a shock factor. as time's gone on, i've moved

further away from that. i still love a good one-liner or something with a twist. >> rose: what did you move to? more storytelling and more of who i really am. i think you know,, we have different versions of ourselves. who i would be at a party with my best friends really saying what i think and being kind of on -- >> rose: amy schumer for the hour, next. >> rose: funding for "charlie rose" has been provided by the following: >> and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose.

>> rose: amy schumer is here. she is an actor, writer, producer and now author. as a stand-up comedienne, she plays to sold-out audiences around the world. her 2016 tour was voted pollster's comedy tour of the year. >> so i showed up to film this movie, and i was, like, i think i'm a model now. (laughter) i was seriously -- i think a lot of girls are like this. we have a sneaking suspicion in the back of our heads, like, am i maybe... gorgeous? (laughter) i think i'm gorgeous. (cheers and applause) right? i'm gorgeous but i just haven't stumbled on the right hairdo, you know? (laughter) one day on a whim, i'll just cut banks and everybody will be like, damn!

i'm, like, oh, my god! treat me the same, you guys! i'm the same person under here! and they're like, we can't, we're too hard. and i'm, like, i get it! but then, my stunt double was a guy. (laughter) just in case you've never been to l.a., it is filled with the most beautiful people from all over the world. so picture the most beautiful girl in your high school, like the one you wanted to be -- okay, i'm talking to the guys right now -- (laughter) -- and everybody was, like, you're too pretty for buffalo, brittany! go to l.a.! go! (laughter) everyone is hot there. everybody. okay, i saw a guy, he was cleaning up a pizza hut bathroom, i would have paid this guy to (bleep) me. i would have paid him good money! people don't even see me there.

they're just like, is that a fat tumbleweed, like, what's -- (laughter) my body type there, my arms register as legs there. (laughter) they're, like, is that an octopus? i don't understand. and my legs register as fire wood. they're just like why is the b.f.g. on sunset? (laughter) that's the secret, i found out. that's hollywood's secret, they don't put food in their faces, and that's not an option for me. like, i don't know how it was in your house growing up, but in my house it was you would eat until you were in a lot of pain, then you take a little breather... (laughter) -- and you get yourself back in even more pain, right? like, i was born weighing 150. i just came out swinging, like, gimme lin linguine, ma!

(cheers and applause) that's how it's been. i have never in my life, i've never said this sentence in my life, i've never said, oh, my god! i forgot to have lunch today! like, never in my life. (laughter) if anything, iived, oh -- i have been, oh, (bleep), i had two lunches. >> rose: she has a show slated for fifth season but not in the foreseeable future. in 2015 it received a peabd and yes, ma'am for outstanding sketch series as well as a critics choice award. >> amy, you are not nothing. you are not nothing. you are not overweight. okay. how does a woman who does not know how to sew learn to sew and then go on to sew a flag for her

country? and if so, what could her name be? oh, i know -- fo sho, her name, bbbbb like b-e-t-s-y and she's meant to sew a flag that will wave just like this -- trying to prove that her state exists. her country. and that is act one. >> that's act one? as i just said, that is act one. okay. and then act two is more like, pop culturey, like, i'm so betsy! it's gettin' flag in here, so wave it off, wave it off. i heard you call to her flag sewn -- >> rose: she wrote and starred in her first film last year called "trainwreck," made

$140 million worldwide. >> like this, you're feeling better? this more careful. >> i'll tell you if i can feel it. i'm still getting a little bit of a wind. >> oh, jesus. >> rose: and if that wasn't enough, she has written her first book, called the girl with the lower back tattoo. entertainment weekly says the book is laugh out loud funny when schumer wants it to be but more often is surprisingly honest and raw. it is a series of essays that range in subject matter from being a member of new money to which she wants people to say at her funeral. like her comedy and life, her book received high praise for rawness and insight. all of that makes me very pleased to have amy schumer at this table for the first time. welcome. it's about time for you to be here. >> i know. i really wanted to make you wait. >> rose: did you really? (laughter)

why now to write this book? because it really is revealing. >> yeah. yeah, i think -- well, i have been working on it for, like, four to five years, actually, and kind of since i was 13 because i wrote journals from age 13 to 23, and i kept very detailed log of my life. >> rose: in anticipation of being famous and wanting to write a book? >> no, i think just like every other kid, i read th the diary f anne frank and it seemed appealing and therapeutic to keep a record and kind of express myself, and, i don't know, made life feel more real to me. it made it feel like it actually existed to write down things that happened. and, so, there are excerpts from the journals, actually excerpts of foot notice and annotations and, yeah, but i have been working on this book for years.

this wasn't al, you know, now's the time and i can make money, let me throw it together. >> rose: a note to my readers, hey, it's me, amy. i wrote a book, this is something i want to do for a long time because i love to make people laugh and feeling better. some of the stories you read here will be funny like the time i (bleep) myself in austin and some will make you feel blue like the time my sister and i were almost sold into sex slavery in italy. some stories are not in the book though they happened. everything in this book happened, all truth and nothing but the truth so help me god but it isn't the whole truth. believe it or not, i don't tell you guys everything. you do tell us a lot, though. >> i do tell you a lot. >> rose: and you say you didn't tell stories about anybody you didn't first say to them, i'm going to tell this story? >> right, nobody's actual name is in the book. >> rose: yeah. i checked with everybody and they read what was going to be written about them and they approved of it.

>> rose: you call these essays? >> i guess, yeah. >> rose: how you. about things in a moment. >> yeah, and what happened. the thing that's good about keeping journals is you have the records of what actually happened. >> rose: what's interesting is you say you're not nora ephron, everything is copy, you don't feel that way. >> yes, i don't feel that way. i feel that if i'm going to say something that might hurt someone's feelings or they might be embarrassed by it, i want to make sure -- i've had people say, please don't write about me. or i've written things and they say, i'm not comfortable with that, and i won't put it out. but everything i've said on tv or in interviews, i've spoken to the people in my life first and they said it was okay. when i was first starting out, i would make a joke, and a friend would get upset. this is 13 years ago that i learned that lesson. it's not worth it to hurt anybody that you care about for a joke. sowf thing is not cop -- so

everything is not copy to me. >> rose: for a joke or to sell a book? >> for a joke. definitely not to sell a book. >> rose: what's different between a book and stand-up for you? >> this is the most personal thing i've ever been a part of. it's just literally what happened and how i felt about it and there is still jokes in there because even at the time i found the humor in it. but, yeah, it's completely raw. there's no facade. it's standup. it's a little bit of a character, even though i feel like my stand-up is getting more and more personal. but this book, it's me, and it's all true. >> rose: people like seinfeld and others have come to this table and what they in essence are, they say, are stand-up comedians, that's how they'd define themselves. you? >> a model. >> rose: a model. (laughter) >> no, i, um, i feel very much like a stand-up comic. but i first think of myself as a

woman. >> rose: well, i think they think that, too. >> they think that they're women as well? >> rose: well, no, but in terms of not thinking of themselves as a writer nor thinking of themselves as an actor or as, you know, a sketch comedian. >> i understand what you're saying. i thought of myself as a comic for the last 13-plus years, and now i feel like i'm evolving. so i don't know, i would still say that i'm a comic, but i don't know if maybe in another 13 years i would say, no, i'm really more a writer and that's how i identify. but i identify as a comedian. >> rose: has this turned out like you anticipated? >> writing a book? >> rose: no, the whole life. yeah. >> rose: it was the dream? this has surpassed my dreams. i always knew that i would perform in some capacity, but i wasn't sure how, but i always

believed things were going to work out. >> rose: did you have a comedic voice? >> always, yeah. >> rose: and you knew that early on? >> yeah, even as young as i can remember, i was making people laugh. hearing myself say that, i want to throw up. >> rose: and that kind of defines you? in a sense, you can do that, it separates you. >> yeah, it does. you either have it or you don't, and it's a little bit of a super power as a kid because you can get yourself out of some trouble or into a lot of trouble, but it does separate you, and i always think of this thing that chris rock said in, actually, a pbs documentary, make 'em laugh -- >> rose: right. -- he said, if ignorance is bliss, then what's the opposite of that? so comedians, i feel like we observe so much that it kind of is, like, a living hell. so it feels like this thing that you're kind of blessed with but it's also a curse. >> rose: so that means

comedians see life with maybe a different eye than the rest of us? >> definitely. >> rose: we see the humor in things, the absurdity in things, all of that? >> yeah, i think all of that. >> rose: yeah. and you knew that early? >> yeah. yeah. >> rose: and that's a comedic voice. and how do you -- how did you then go about in a sense honing it and making it what it became? is it just -- >> i think just being open to evolving and, so, what was funny to me and how i was doing stand-up ten years ago is very different than how it is now. >> rose: how so? well, i was really doing a character when i started, sort of this irreverent. >> rose: how would you define the character? irreverent? >> irreverent, just, like, white idiot, a stepford-y sorority

girl who didn't know any better with a lot of one-liners. because you start out and you're just getting stage time however you can, but most shows are open mics, which means you're performing in front of only other comeed waiting to perform who paid to be there. so it's productive but a rough thing to do and there is not a great energy in the room. i would have to surprise people into laughing. if you get a laugh at those, it's not easy. >> rose: and they would be surprised that they were laughing? >> yeah, because everyone is looking at their notebook waiting to go up, so you would have to say something that caught them offguard to pay attention, so there was a little bit more of a shock factor. and then as time's gone on, i've moved further and further away from that. i still love a good one-liner or something that has a twist. >> rose: and what have you moved to? >> more storytelling and more of who i really am. i think -- you know, we have

different versions of ourselves. who i would be at a party with my best friends really saying what i think and being kind of on, you know, when you're in the mood to kind of be social and you're kind of feeling it, that's me on stage. so it's very much me right now with maybe a one-liner or two thrown in, that's just something awful, but mostly it's the closest to myself that i've ever been, on stage. >> in your 20s you're so corrupt with power, especially if you're in love in your 20s. member 20s love? you're just so arrogant. you're just, like, we're so lucky we found each other... what are all these sad songs about? (laughter) i think of 20s love the same as the tsunami because i read that, in the tsunami, the tide was way in, so fish were

flopping around the shore and people were, like, psyched. they were gathering them with baskets saying, i can't believe my luck! look at all these fish! that's, like, 20s love. you're like for me! and me! and then you're like, oh, (bleep)! and it murders you. (laughter) but, yeah... but enjoy it. (laughter) i don't like talking to really hot people. i'm very grossed out being around someone gorgeous. but my friend talked to her, and he was, like, she was actually really funny. and i was, like, (bleep) you. (applause) no way. there's no way! we just have such low

expectations for how people to be anything. i'm, like, you were probably blown away she wasn't just sitting there playing with her (bleep) and drooling, going -- (laughter) i'm, like, what did she say that was so funny? he said, we were talking about playing pool later and she was, like, get ready to lose. i was, like, oh, when's her hour special coming out on hbo? (cheers and applause) >> rose: who helped you shape it? has chris rock helped you in a way? >> chris helped me so much by just agreeing to direct my special. but jerry seinfeld, louie -- >> rose: you're talking about the best. >> the best. i get to be friends with the best and we help each other. you know, i think it's a lonely -- it seems like a lonely club at the top, and they were

kind of excited -- not that i'm in their league -- but they were excited to have someone new who could sort of understand the level that they are operating at just in terms of the size of the venue and exposure and how, if they say something, it becomes national news, and they've really done their best to advise me, even though i don't listen as much as i should. >> rose: what's the best advice they give? >> well, louie and chris, they all tell me to just basically shut up and not respond to anything going on in the media. >> rose: yeah. but it's hard. >> rose: it's hard to do, especially in the world of twitter and -- >> yeah, and i'm a comic, a communicator by nature, so i want people to understand what i'm saying. >> and you want to be a part of the conversation. >> yeah, and it just seems so unfair and unjust when either the celebrity culture that existed for so long where just straight-up lies are printed, i

want to say, hey, that's not true, and that makes it a bigger story, even by responding. but they're very -- they're, like, you know, just stay off that. >> rose: louie, he find it irresistible. he said things about the political race that he knew got him in trouble but he believed it so he repeated it. >> yeah, and there is the moment of, should i, whatever. >> rose: yeah. and i personally felt very grateful he did that. >> rose: because you agreed with him. >> well, i agreed with him, of course. but, yeah, their advice is to just shut my yap. >> rose: and this controversy about metsker, kurt metzger. >> rose: you would have never believed that.

did you feel like you shouldn't have weighed in or did it touch you. >> kurt, one of the reasons he's such a great writer and contributor to our television show is because his views are so different from that of mine and most other writers in the courtroom especially jessie klein who is the head writer of the show. we butt heads and get in fights because he infuriates us. it's an interesting writers room because it's always been very diverse with the views in there. we don't want it to be just one-sided. jesse and i have such similar sensibilities that it's good -- it feels very positive to have someone in there saying, well, this is from the male perspective and not that kurt is -- but he is the most male, you know, like the most out there perspective possible. kurt's my friend. i love him. i'm not on facebook, so i

don't read his crazy rants. he gets something from going after people, making them mad. that is not representative of me at all. you know, i've asked him, can you just stop because it comes back to me. because he writes for the show, it's a bigger story because of our connection, and, so, whatever tangent he's gone off on, i have not agreed with, and it's been really upsetting to me seeing someone i care about hurt themselves like this. so, you know, right now there is no plans for the tv show to come back in anytime in the near future. so nobody's on my staff. there are no writers. i think people want his head. they want to burn him at the stake. >> rose: and you want? i want them to not attach me to what he's writing. i would love to refocus the

energy and the attention on the real problem, which is i feel people understanding -- >> rose: it's about rape. it's about rape and what's consensual and what's not because the way that he's been gone after -- because he baits people. he's the problem, no question. but the focus is on him rather than on the real main problem. >> rose: you mean a smart understanding of what rape has become and what we're now understanding about it. >> yeah. >> rose: you look at what's happening on campuses and a whole range of places where people in 2016 are stepping forward who did not step forward before. >> yeah, i think it's great that people are stepping forward, and if it's not done in a way that kurt feels is right, you know, that's really upsetting to hear.

it's, like, we all need to be empowering each other, but to focus your energy on online trolling, if i did that, i wouldn't get anything done. let's focus on actually getting the problem solved. i was sexual assaulted. i encourage women to come out. i want men to hear what happened so that there is no confusion because there are different -- people have different understandings of what sexual assault is, what rape is. so let's all get on the same page so that it happens less. >> rose: it is extraordinary when you see somebody come out and make an accusation and then all of a sudden, you know, especially if it's with somebody well-known, all of a sudden you see people who have experienced the same thing and stepped forward to say, me, too. >> yeah. >> rose: but i was afraid to speak out. >> yeah. i think it's good. it's helpful and it makes people feel less alone, and it's such an unfortunate, awful thing with

all these gray areas where you don't know because of things like this, where there is so much victim shaming. when a woman says they were assaulted, a lot of people's first reaction is to say, no, you weren't. like, why -- what were you -- what was the situation? >> rose: what were the circumstances. >> yeah. >> rose: how late was it? they treat it like the salem witch trials and it's unfair and makes women not want to come forward. >> rose: was it hard for you the talk about it? >> was it hard for me to write about it? >> rose: yes. yes, i was hard to revisit. it was painful because i feel like when i'm reading my journals, it feels like i'm reading about another girl and i feel bad for her and my heart breaks that happened and my first reaction was -- because the guy felt so bad, my first reaction was to comfort him, and that's really sad to me, and

that's not how it should be. so, yeah, i'm hoping that some people read that and, you know, on one side it makes them think, oh, this is not okay and maybe it will stop them from doing something, and a woman might be more likely to realize that it's unfair and that something's been taken from her and speak out about it. >> rose: do you feel today because of the power that you have from the success you have had and the fact that your success has been defined in part because you're willing to confront what you believe and say has given you more power? in other words, the success has given you a power that's even more than you would had before to be open about what you think and feel and you are less worried about any risk to "career"? >> no. >> rose: you still have that risk -- >> yeah, it doesn't make me change my behavior, but i think

i'm every day more at risk to hurt my career. >> rose: because the bigger you are, the bigger the game, and people want to somehow engage you in some way. >> right, and kind of take me down. there are organized things online of people trying to literally end my career. >> rose: how does that affect you? >> it's upsetting and then it goes very quickly from me being upset to being angry and making me want to work harder. >> rose: yeah. so i don't feel victimized for very long. it just fires me up and i say, well, i'm really not going to back down now. >> rose: you have that sense, i'm not backing down anymore. >> yeah. >> rose: because what you found in yourself is not only success but confidence. >> it's confidence, but also i have an expectation of myself to be honest and proud how have i'm living. do i think it will hurt my ticket sales on the road that i am so vocal about being a

hillary supporter? yes. >> rose: but do you care that much? >> about hillary? >> rose: no, i know how much you care about that. you've made that very very clear. do you care about how it affects ticket sales. >> no, i'm going to say what i mean and think. >> rose: i think people come see you because they find you really entertaining and funny and smart and interesting. >> thank you. >> rose: well, that's true. and your politics are not going to keep them from being entertained by you. >> but it does somewhat, yeah. it's people who, you know, just in the same way, if i found out right now that one of my good friends from high school was planning on voting for trump -- >> rose: you would? -- i would really pull back from the friendship. that's such a huge line -- >> rose: it's a value defining

>> value, yeah, all of it. so i think that people -- i think if i kept my mouth shut about my real feelings about politics or gun violence, i think, financially and career-wise, it would be financially better for me, but i don't care. >> speaking of perfect gifts, this is a no brainer. this is a gun. just your regular, run of the mill meat and potatoes handgun. how cute is that? >> i love that. you can hold it. can i see this? wow! ok at that! pow pow! pow pow! it's like a toy but it's extremely real. >> and now here is what's great about this. now, pretty much anyone can purchase this. >> oh, my god, this is so fun! i love this! hey, lady! give me all your money and your makeup! >> ow! it's so fun and on sale now. call in. >> hi, i wanted to guy buy a lot

of these but i am a suspected terrorist on the "no fly" list. >> oh... you are fine sweet potato fries. "no fly" list. no one can tell you you cannot buy a gun in this country you're trying to destroy. (siren) >> mass shooting! which means the government could be coming from your guns soon, like they never have, but always might! >> scary... >> rose: is your attraction to the candidacy of hillary more about her or more about -- and the values and the position she has more so than the fact that she is an historic candidacy? >> oh, yeah. that's a good way of saying that. i don't care she's ever gotten her period or had a baby. i care what a great candidate she is.

i have been a fan of hers forever, and i think the work that she's done, and she's so crazy overqualified, and it's not because i want a woman in the white house. i really don't care about that. i think that's an exciting thing and that it will be good for little girls and whatever, just in the same way i wasn't interested in the race of obama. it's, like, i wanted him to win. it's her. >> rose: you wanted him to win against her? >> no, no, i was excited about hillary, but once it became him -- >> rose: once it became him, you were very excited about it. >> i was very excited about barack, once he was the candidate. >> rose: once he won the nomination. >> right. >> rose: but before that when he was running against hillary. >> i was hoping hillary would win. >> rose: you were hoping hillary would win. >> mm-hmm. >> rose: how do you think he's been as president? >> i love him. i'm going to miss him so much. i'm so sad. >> rose: what are you going to miss? the style, intelligence?

>> his smile. >> rose: his play list. no, i thought his play list was a little weird. >> rose: did you really? why? >> i don't know. that's not what's important. >> rose: no, it's not important, it's interesting. >> i like you can do no wrong, deangelo was on there. it's so all over the place. >> rose: what surprised you the most on the play list? i have it right here. >> do you have it? cool. let's look at it. do you? >> rose: i do. it will take me time to get this. >> do they edit this? >> rose: no. did they edit that out of cbs the other day? >> rose: our joke? yeah. >> rose: about snoozing? no. >> rose: which joke? when you said how long? >> rose: oh, yes, yes. did they take that out? >> rose: i hope not. let's do it now. i. >> let's talk about it. >> rose: i said, how long do you think this relationship will last. >> we were talking about my

relationship with ben. >> rose: and i said how long. you just said how long. >> rose: i really meant -- you know what you meant. >> rose: but what did you do? you just said, how long. and i said, um -- (laughter) >> rose: we'll certainly not going to edit it out. that's comedic talent. >> thank you. >> rose: it is. you think that way. rose: you play off of rose: words' meaning and you have associations. >> mm-hmm. >> rose: and you know what's funny. >> i think so. >> rose: so you said that. yeah. it made you laugh. caught you offguard. >> rose: everybody at the table laughed, too. none more than me. >> yeah. >> rose: i caught it because i knew what i meant, and to a watch you take it to that place. >> i really took my time with it, too. >> rose: the timing was stunning. it was, like -- >> i really, yeah, i just stretched out that moment. >> rose: but that is what it

is. that's the gene you have. >> yeah. >> rose: the ability to see sort of that funniness in something like that. >> yeah. >> rose: but back to hillary for a second. you were for her against barack and when barack won, you were all in for barack. >> yeah. >> rose: how much do you feel politically is anti-trump? >> who even really knows what he stands for. >> rose: or does he mean what he says. >> right. it's just such a farce. it's awful. i think we all thought it was kind of funny when it started. it was, like, oh, my god, trump, that's hilarious. >> rose: the man from apprentice said i'm going to be president. >> and once it became a reality he was the candidate, it's so disturbing. i don't even talk about trump in my standup. it's like shooting fish in a

barrel. >> rose: really. yeah. >> rose: what's the most contemporary thing you talk about in your stand-up today? >> contemporary, politically? >> rose: yes. i talk about hillary and meeting her, and i talk about gun violence. >> rose: i know you do. yeah. yeah. i think those are the two of the most -- >> rose: people -- i know this from talking to lots of comedians and having them at the table, you know, shaping stand-up is hard work. >> yes, it is. >> rose: it's joke by joke. after a full weekend of a bunch of shows, i might get a new ten seconds out of -- a new ten seconds in what i'm trying to shape for an hour set. it's a lot of work, yeah. >> rose: and -- i mean, i've

talked to them, and they go to clubs and test it. >> yep. >> rose: go up and you will find out what's good about it, how to shorten. rose: but what is the, yeah. essence you have to have, of all the people you know, what does chris have, what do you have, what does jerry have, the range of people? you know more to have the young comedians than i do. >> yeah, i hope so. it would be pretty strange if your opinion at the cutting edge of all the new comics. are you busy? (laughter) >> rose: what do they have? we all have -- first of all, an enormous love and obsession with comedy and with jokes. it's just this love and this -- you know, when chris agreed to -- he just offered to help me with the hours, and then i asked him to direct my hbo special, but it was really just the excitement of -- and it doesn't need to be you delivering the joke. if i could help someone with their jokes, it's so fun.

it's just this drive we have, this love of language, and this, you know, working out of ideas. we think of a premise, and it's just, like, yes, oh, you could go so much further with that. we all just delayed in it the same way. >> rose: did you ever go back to things you used in an earlier stand-up and bring them back and just try them again? >> yeah, well, jerry changed my thinking of using old material, just in terms of he said, you know, my generation of comics is this, once you stay it on tv, it's burned, and you can never say it again. and then he's kind of, like, who do you think you are that everyone's seeing every joke you've ever said? so give the audience the best show possibly. so right now, if i'm doing an hour and change show, i'll do two jokes that might equal up to, like, a minute of some of my older stuff that -- or, you

know, the jokes that i'm most proud of having ever written. and i liked that philosophy. you have to remind yourself, it's not about you. these people have bought tickets. they got dressed up. they parked, and they want you to entertain them. i go up every show promising i'm going to do the best show i've ever done in my life, and i just want them to leave happy. >> rose: and you will do anything. i mean, you will give everything. >> i'll give everything. >> rose: it's like springsteen on stage. >> well, no, because i don't do, like, three hours and i don't get as sweaty. >> rose: is an hour about the right time? >> an hour, hour ant 20 minutes is about what i do. >> rose: did acting come naturally? >> yeah, i have been in plays since i was 5. just performing came naturally. i studied acting. i was trained in college and then i did a two-year program

with william esper. so it was something i wanted to get better at. i've only ever cared about acting comedy and volleyball in my whole life. >> rose: did you watch volleyball at the olympics? >> i watched beach. i played indoor. >> rose: you play indoor? if at all, i play beach. it's easier to get people to play at the beach, just doubles. >> rose: how has the money made a difference in your life? >> money's been so nice. it's changed the way i travel, where i stay, and it's just made the people i'm closest to, it's been such a pleasure to be able to give to them, to my brother and sister and friends and just make life easier, you know, just to be able to spread it out and,

yeah, and that's security. it's really nice, and it's really nice to have not come from money to have it, because i really appreciate it. but, yeah, it's the security because, you know, all i really care about is my friends and family and them being healthy and happy and i can help with that. >> rose: how long does this last? do you have any sense of that? not that you should know how long this would last. do you worry that five years from now, i have to do everything i can. i am so hot, i have to go as fast and as fierce as i can to do as much as i can? >> i felt that way my whole life, and since i've gotten in this business. yeah, that's how i felt. i don't feel like that now. i feel like i've hustled so hard for so long and i need to keep myself sane and healthy, and now i feel like i can slow down a

bit. but i don't expect to be at this level forever or even necessarily much longer, and i don't aspire to it. i want to just -- i want to keep doing stand-up, i want to keep writing and creating stuff, but i don't want to do the work to keep myself at this sort of level of buzz. >> rose: you don't want that? no. >> rose: because it's so intense? >> it's so intense. >> rose: and everybody is hanging on everything everywhere. >> i never wand that and i don't want it now. >> rose: but it goes with the turf that you're a part of now. >> yep. >> rose: has there been a plan, though? i mean, was there some sense i'm going to make it in stand-up and i know how good that will be and i know how to be good because i know i have timing and i know i have comedic instinct, i just have to pay the price, i have to do the 10,000 hours, whatever it is, that kind of thing. >> yeah, malcolm gladwell.

>> rose: malcolm gladwell, right. >> i never thought of making even a dollar from stand-up. i tried it and i liked it and it was a way of performing, and then i didn't know that people had managers or agents. i had no idea about the industry. then a college agent came and saw me at a show and said, you can perform at colleges and you can make, like, $500, $800 an hour. and my head exploded. and then it was, like, i would find out something as an opportunity would present itself, i'm a comedy manager. so it was a never means to any sort of ends to this will help me act. in l.a. i think you see a lot of models or people who are, like, well if i do standup that will be good for me to get hosting work. >> rose: exactly. it was never a plan. i've never had a plan. >> rose: that's part of what's good about it. >> thank you. >> rose: no, it is. oh, okay. >> rose: well, you don't know. it's not like a plan. so it evolved and it finds its

own direction. >> right, follows the river. >> rose: and its own speed, too. >> yeah. >> rose: that's what you said in here. now that all my work, relationships, my tweets, body parts and my sandwiches are publicly analyzed, i'm proud i label myself a flawed normal human before anyone else did. i have been called everything in the book but i've always branded myself a tramp so the haters are going to have the to come up with something fresh. >> yeah. that's about my tattoo. >> rose: was it intent or -- what do you mean? >> rose: well, did branding yourself as a tramp -- >> it's, like, my -- that's the metaphor of the book. it's, like, i have this big stupid lower back tattoo. so as soon as i'm in a bathing suit -- >> rose: but you don't want us to see it. >> well, no, it's on the back. >> rose: oh, yes, it's on the back! i hadn't seen it!

there it is! that's a nice tattoo. >> no, it's not. >> rose: it is! no, it's raised because he went too deep. it's crooked, it doesn't mean anything. >> rose: so you're really defining the calligraphy of the tattoo. >> yeah, it's an awful tattoo. it's stupid. but i think it's funny, and i'm not having it removed. but that's what i'm saying. >> rose: does ben like it? he seems to like everything. (laughter) i haven't heard a complaint yet. >> rose: can we talk about how you and ben got together? it's in the book. >> sure. >> rose: tell me. well, we met on a dating app. >> rose: on a dating app. amy schumer is looking for -- >> you know, it was, like, my friend vanessa beyer and i -- >> rose: yeah. she told me about this app and we were looking through -- we were, like, let's sign up for it and we were ki of giggling and whatever but we're both single and we were both seeing

somebody but nothing we really wanted to nurture and we signed up. and it's fun and you're, like, oh, my god, people! >> rose: and this is not swiping and all that stuff. >> no, it kind of is. >> rose: oh, it is. it's not tinder or bumble or anything like that. it's a site for creative people where it's sort of private and you can't screen shot anything. so we both signed up. the very first match i got the very first day was with ben. this picture was him dancing at a wedding with his grandma. it was funny. it wasn't like other people who tried to play a song that would make you think they were cool. he was the first people that i talked to. i got off the app in under 48 hours, so i was online dating for 48 hours. so we met up. you know, we talked for about a

month. he's from chicago. he was going to be in new york. and we met up. he came to -- i was, like, can you just come over? and my sister was, like, you can't have a stranger from the internet come to your apartment, amy. >> rose: didn't you know that? i'm just laysy. that's how lazy i am. i'm risking murder so i don't have to put a bra on. so, yeah, he was downstairs waiting and it was raining an he was holding a bottle of wine and we just kind of saw each other and it was just, like, i don't know, a peaceful moment. i had never experienced it. we just kind of smiled -- >> rose: you never experienced the peaceful moment? >> that kind of moment of seeing someone. because i never had gone on a date with a stranger anyway. yeah, seeing each other and we just kind of walked to the restaurant. we were going to drink there. i just felt easy and calm and real and nice and, yeah, it was

just sweet. >> rose: what surprises me is you hadn't found that before. was that because you had been all work? >> well, no, i've usually dated people that i've known. >> rose: yeah. so it wasn't that -- >> rose: or somebody set you up with? >> the setups that i'd had were not like that. it was kind of, like, oh, okay. and i'm sure they felt the same way. but, no, i don't know, it felt different. it felt really sweet. >> rose: how much is acting because of the success of the film, how much is that going to be part of your future? acting? >> rose: yeah. i don't know. >> rose: people love the movie. it's evident in the ticket sales, but they loved it. >> yeah, they did. that was really nice. >> rose: they talk about it. it's like my favorite movie of that year. >> yours? (laughter) you know, i want to do projects

that i'm excited about and that i can be proud of. i just filmed this movie thank you for your service, which it's a drama, and it's by -- >> rose: and did you choose it for what reason? >> well, i chose -- i auditioned, so -- and i haven't auditioned for very much this year. you know, thrfnlt been things that i've come across that i really want to be a part of. i thought, oh, i don't have a chance. i auditioned. jason hall who wrote american sniper, he wrote this and directed it and speilberg is producing it so i thought, why am i wasting time? >> rose: so the writer from american sniper, stephen speilberg. who else is in the project? >> miles teller. haley bennett. and, you know,ettes a great move -- it's a great movie. >> rose: that's what it's like to be amy schumer today. >> yeah, that's exactly it. no, it's amazing. >> rose: because you're good

at what you do, a, and because you have box office appeal, people want to work with you. but i think in the end, people like stephen speel brlg, it's quality. >> it's my audition. they said your audition got you the role which meant everything to me. >> rose: how hard did you prepare for that? >> i really prepared. it's an actual story. david finkel wrote the book and, so, i met the woman i'm playing and spent time with her and we became friends. >> rose: amy, this is you! no, it is! you are what you are because you cared more than anybody else to be good. >> that's true. >> rose: it really is. i'm surprised other people don't work harder. >> rose: i know. that's why you are who you are. >> rose: yes. and they don't understand it, and they're sort of -- >> why am i not doing that thing? >> rose: yeah. i had a phone interview the other day and this person said, you're the senator of new york's daughter.

and i said, you know what? goodbye. but then there are people who you meet and you go, yes, you really care and you work your as off, too. like goldie hawn. >> rose: absolutely. i just got to make this movie with her, she hasn't worked in 14 years, but she trusted me and chose to do this project and we had the best time and it's funny and it's an action movie. so -- and i did it because i really care about it. i don't want to go -- i'm not trying to make tons and tons of money acting. i can make money from stand-up, you know, if it's something about finance. so i'm going to do stuff i can be really proud of. >> rose: are you getting that now because people know that and they know what you have done and what you're capable of doing, really an attractive look at interesting scripts? i mean, are you seeing things that you couldn't imagine you would have seen four years ago? >> no, i'm being sent crap. >> rose: are you really?

yeah. >> rose: so you don't see anything really compelling? >> not that reaches me. not that there aren't great scripts out there, but the people i work with -- >> rose: i thought you would have been so -- i'm not flattering you -- >> sure. >> rose: i just think because of what you have, you know, you have a sense that you are so very real and so very into the moment of being as good as you possibly can be. >> yeah. >> rose: and for all of that, that you would be first on the list of people. >> thank you. i think people don't know what i am yet. >> rose: yeah, there's a lag. yeah, and that's fine, but i think -- yeah, because it's, like, people don't know where to place you, so the scripts i'm getting are, you know, it's, like, i'm going to, like, you know, my cousin's wedding and she's, you know, and i'm like the drunk friend -- and it's, like, i don't want to ride a

mopehead through a plate glass window. i mean, that does sound pretty funny. but i want to do what i want to do. it's like the things i'm being sent or that are reaching me because the people i work are now, if they send something, like, do you want me to do this? >> rose: maybe i should reconsider my management. >> and they know i'm so overworked i think they're taking it easy on me. >> rose: how are you taking care of yourself? >> i meditate twice a day. i do t.m. i get acupuncture. i go for long walks. i talk to my friends. i do stand-up. yeah, i'm going to things that make me feel good, and i know i have been hustling too hard for too long, yo you know, and i'm going on tour to do stand-up and i'm going to take it easy a little bit. >> rose: you used the word

"hustle" several times. what does that mean? >> the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep doing everything you can to work hard and be prepared. whatever i'm working on, it's been several things for several years, just everything has an intent and really kind of no time to myself, or very little time for just kind of leisure. so i've really tried to make that time. >> rose: a component of your life. >> yeah. >> rose: thank you for coming here. >> thanks for having me here. >> rose: pleasure to have you. thank you. >> rose: the book is called "the girl with the lower back tattoo," and it looks black there, i don't know what color it is. >> well, you will find out. >> rose: really? much success. >> thank you. than>> rose: thank you for join. see you next time. for more about this program and earlier episodes, visit us online at pbs.org and charlierose.com.

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