care, because that is what doctors need to do. >> coming up in our next hour, we are going to air the second part of my conversation with robbyn vardy. there is nothing she told me that didn't facet a me and didn't cause me to learn something that i didn't know. straight ahead, the latest on the investigation into what trump illicitly took with him to mar-a-lago when he left the white house and how it affects america's national security. another hour of velshi, begins right now. f velshi, begins right now. good morning, saturday august, 13 we begin this morning with donald trump's disregard for democracy in the national security of the united states. the property receipt for the documents and items removed from mar-a-lago on monday reveals the extraordinary scope of items that were in propped and potentially illegally taken from the white house when trump left office. in total, the latest mar-a-lago includes 11 sets of classified documents. including three sets of

documents team secret, four sets top secret and three sets of confidential files. some of them are even marked highly classified as c i. meaning sensitive compartmented information. and for that is not meant to be viewed outside of a secure government facility and mar-a-lago is not a government facility, it's certainly not secure. also included in that cash, the executive brand of clemency documents for roger stone. several binders of photos of differential -- and handwritten, no information on the president of france presumably its current leader emmanuel macron. the former president has denied a report in the washington post which nbc news has not independently verified that says all of the items from agents were searching for were documents relating to nuclear weapons. two sources briefed on the classified documents sought in the initial subpoena tell the new york times, that federal officials were prompted to search mar-a-lago because some of the material that trump to

quote was particularly sensitive national security. the search warrant for blood madrid, so through criminal statutes that serve as the legal basis for the document seizure. including violations of the espionage act. which outlaws the unauthorized and unlawful retention of national security and defense information. that could around the united states and or aid a foreign adversary. we should note that the warrant does not specifically indicate that donald trump himself is in fact being investigated for espionage. somebody is, we don't know where the. although -- federal officials are investigating violations of a federal law -- dealing with the unlawful removal of government records. and one of his many statements on the, matter the former president said that everything that he had in his possession was, quote all declassified.

and, quote however none of those laws depend and then at the laws that we have seen stated in the war dependent on whether the information was classified or not. that is actually a separate matter. despite with the failed former president and the fans want you to believe, monday's raid was not some spontaneous politically-charged effort. let me explain, this in february from the national archives administration collected 15 boxes of documents that trump took with him to his tropical call for, after he left the white house. including some that were classified of top secret level. however, nbc news at the time that somebody familiar with the documents inside of mar-a-lago told the investigators, with the ruby bore classified documents at that resort. and in the spring, after that first bunch of boxes was taken, trump received a federal grand jury subpoenas for documents of the government believing he was still keeping but that were not handed over previously.

join me now is philip, record the deputy national editor of the washington post and msnbc political analyst of coauthor of the, books a very stable genius and i alone can fix it. phil, good to see you again and you and i talked earlier in the week as the story was first developing right after your colleagues at the washington post first broke news about what could be and those documents. since, land much's happen and i want to start with what we now know, the fbi was looking for an possibly retrieved from mar-a-lago. >> i'll, or the fbi was looking for a trove of classified documents that were being housed at mar-a-lago, and appropriately. they included various levels of classification, you take through them at the top of the show. four categories were at the very highest level of classification, and we don't know based on the materials that came out yesterday, specifically what those documents were. we have some bag indications,

one of them pretend the president of france and one of them pertained to the clemency of roger stone. the president's longtime political adviser was not a lot of them are very vague in the description. my colleagues at the washington post you know have reported that some of the documents that the fbi was looking for a bylaw go, -- and were classified, top secret pertaining to nuclear weapons. but that of course does not detailed in this war. it would more be expected to be detailed and he's documents. >> let's be clear about, that there may be people saying wait a second, three others to clear stuff in here i did not see that on the receipt. and these are classified documents pertaining to national defence or security issues, that would not be on the receipt. that would not be stuffed and be available to us to know. >> exactly, these are classified, top secret documents and it will not be

inventory and away with where the public know they are necessarily. and that's why when you look at the primary source document, the inventory that came out last night, it's a lot a very vague descriptions and that is intentional by the government. >> there is information and here according to reporting that has come out since wednesday but some of those documents are not documents that to -- secure facility. the compartmented documents, they're highly controlled and the way people can see it. i had jim himes, last night -- to look at these documents, take sock fit on, even as watchers electronic and it's not a lot of that space. they go through metal detector and a very heavy door. once you are inside, there's no photographing, there is no texting, there is no nothing. these are not documents and be in a, box a basement or in a house somewhere? that is right, let's be clear ali they were not in the basement of a house.

they were in a club, a private club. or donald trump loves at mar-a-lago, this is a very unusual home. it's a private club where members could come and go as a police. or events can be, held weddings, galas, charity dinners, et cetera and hundreds of people come and go from mar-a-lago every day. which is one of the reasons why keeping such secretive government -- at the facility is so dangerous and risky. >> phil, thank you very much for being available to us all week as it is unfolded. it's been quite a, story for rutgers the deputy national editor. at the washington post, an msnbc political analyst. joining now is broadly, moss national security and the partners of the law firm of -- pc. i had the pleasure talking to mark last night, about rally today think you for joining us proudly. let's talk a little about something i just mentioned, that is that these warrants are based on criminal investigations. but they don't, say the information we don't have as to

the subject of the criminal investigation is. but it hints that the possession or control of these documents, certainly the distribution of some of these documents would be patently illegal. >> correct, absolutely sir we don't know for certain that should always be made clear. donald trump is the, target person with the he is and it was his records that were sitting and the white house. it was sent to his private resort, so presumably, he is one of if not the target. there are other individuals we, know the fbi subpoenaed surveillance videos for mar-a-lago, presumably to see who else if anybody else had access to the boxes. they were going in and, now taking in the records out of those boxes. that would also be relevant to the criminal inquiry but as the end of the day. these are the ones only donald trump would've had access to originally, that he is claiming he declassified and no indication of that. and they were put at his private resort, that's him who isn't particularly deep trouble

here. >> what do, mean there's no indication of that? that is what it around, these are all declassified documents and donald trump himself posted it on his own social media. he accused barack obama of having taken lots of documents, the national archives got involved and said that is just not true. the thing that donald trump, said they were all declassified. i would assume that if that were true, somebody will be able to prove that. it will be a document trail to prove that donald trump declassified these documents, while he was president. he has no ability to do so after his president. >> correct, so all we know so far as what we are getting up from the trump team is there was a quote unquote standing order. nobody's ever seen, that we have never heard of this before. four years of the leaky administration, nobody is part of this. a standing order that anything that he took back to the residents within was automatically declassified. simply does not work that, way there would be document, there would be notifications and sending staff to the white

house. that hey -- -- there will be laws indicating would have been declassified and when, so the agencies knew about it and not to, mention there would've been markings addressing all of these records already. there is a process, even if the president declassified something to modify the declassification mark on the document, make sure its stamp declassified. there's no indication any of that was done, here he had to still handle it as if it was classified. >> let me ask, why don't you contribute to any hysteria. you don't need to and the story is so wild and wet does not need to add to it. you will have it on twitter, i enjoyed watching this because you believe this is serious enough without complicating it with other stuff. when we hear the espionage act, we think somebody was spying. and you made clear that the use of the espionage act to secure this warrant, as a legal basis for it actually does not necessarily mean anybody was spying? >> yes, the espionage act is

from world war i. it is over a century old and at this point, it's a horribly red to name for the law because the majority of what comes out of the espionage act in terms of criminal prosecutions has nothing to do a spying. it has to do with leakers, the masters people who remove classified documents and place them in unsecured locations. so, yes it sounds sexy and it's all great and hey espionage, when you tied to donald trump. we have no indication at this time that there is anything about actual spying, anything about espionage or selling our secrets. this appears to be about mishandling. >> we heard from a member of the intel committee, while there are somewhat concerned about the intel aspect of this, the documents that were, there where we are most concerned about is the tactics. that is been the word since monday, this was a raid. given what you have seen in terms of the process and the tactics used, this seems fairly organized. it seems like everybody knew that there were documents there, gave donald trump every chance possible to say, could you give

us the documents? they executed a warrant which was handed over to the secret service and protection detail and they were allowed in. nobody could book into anything. >> yes, for my perspective the government is bent over backwards for donald trump over the last 18 months. bahe was never supposed exact documents in the first, plus there is supposed to be sent to the national archives at the end of his administration for, sorting logging in preparation for potential presidential libraries he was creating. and so we took, them it took a year before he even shifted back 15 boxes to the national archives. we know that is classified documents, and it that started the justice department inquiry. it took several more months before the fbi had to go down there, and inspect for the remaining boxes were a subpoena and we don't know what went down between the justice department and the trump team lawyers over the next two months. but clearly there was information indicating more records, they weren't being cooperative, they were not providing everything. that requires the fbi to do what it had to ultimately do on monday.

which was plain clothes, trying not to make a spectacle to execute this search warrant, authorized by the judge just like it happens every single day in this country when the fbi or local law enforcement execute a search warrant. >> bradley, thanks very much and thanks to mark, because the rest of us don't know how this stuff operates. we have had a new staff this week, it is very useful to the viewers to get your very detailed explanation of. it riley moss, the national security attorney and partner at the law firm. -- still ahead a major legislative victory for democrats. climate change and health care, and tax reform and we will discuss it all with the one and only tammy baldwin, the democratic senator from wisconsin. and safe access to abortion in alabama, maybe rapidly disappearing but the fight to protect reproductive rights is far from over. more from my conversation, my very eye-opening conversation with robbyn marty, the operations director of west alabama woman center. plus another violent attack, fueled by far-right extremism,

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sound like the biggest thing going on as this fbi search warrant of mar-a-lago, which is really really important, there's something bigger going. on the democratic agendas back on track. president biden and democrats scored in other legislative victory yesterday, with the final passage of the inflation reduction act. which is a sweeping bill that tackles climate change, health care, and tax reform. the bill passed in the house by a vote of 2:22 a seven. it passed in both houses. that means zero republicans in the house or the senate voted for the bill. the inflation reduction act will invest more than 370 billion dollars, in curbing harmful emissions, and promoting clean energy. that includes tax credits and

rebates to incentivize americans to switch to energy efficient appliances, and electric vehicles. it's a goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 40% below 2005 levels. and such aside funding for communities disproportionately affected by climate change, as well as to address drought. this is the largest investment in the country has ever made to ward fighting climate change. but there is more. the bill also aims to lower the cost of health care and prescription drugs. for the first time ever, medicare will be able to negotiate prices with drug makers. it is going to cap the out of pocket drug costs at $2,000 per year for medicare recipients. it caps insulin for some recipients, for medicare recipients. it was supposed to get medicare for everyone, that was one of the things that did make it through to the end we can discuss that other times why that is stupid. it also extends affordable care act subsidies that were set to expire this year through the end of 2025.

much of this is going to be paid for by a new 15% corporate minimum tax on that wealthy corporations. plus an excise tax on stock buybacks. it also grants new funding for the irs to support the agency and pursuing wealthy tax evaders. the inflation reduction act's, there is no question, a slimmed down version of the more ambitious build back better bill that stalled in the senate earlier this year. but it is nonetheless, a massive and historic passage that finally achieved some of the democrats long sought ghouls. joining me to talk more about this as a democratic senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin. she's a member of the senate help, education, and labor pensions committee. she helped craft the landmark patent protection and affordable care act. senator, it is good to see you again. it has been a minute. >> yes, great to be with you. >> how are you feeling about the spill? >> i am very excited and can't wait to see it be implemented.

this is, as you indicated, a long time coming. we have been fighting to have medicare the able to negotiate drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies for years and years now. in fact, one of the reasons why we have much higher prices in the united states than any other industrialized country, is because we don't negotiate with the drug companies and they do. and we need to do that and bring these prices into check. i can tell you how many stories i have heard from constituents who are cutting pills and half, not taking as prescribed, because they simply can't afford lifesaving or life is sending medication. and that is not, that is just wrong. in our country. >> this is a massive breakthrough, because most

other industrialized countries to have the ability for whatever system you used to provide health care, to negotiate the price of drugs. just like any company in a free enterprise system has, right? if you buy a lot of something, you get to say to the provided like to negotiate a better price. but for some reason, strangely, that is not been the case in united states. we are not going to hit a lot of drugs, but we are eventually going to have the 20 most popular drugs in the united states. >> that's right. and i do believe that this will have a ripple effect on many others that aren't included in that initial list. and, you said for some reason the united states doesn't do it as most other countries do. i think it has everything to do with the oversize power of our pharmaceutical companies and the influence that they have particularly with the republican party in politics. and we, this is such a

breakthrough for us. and it is going to be to the benefits of tens of millions of americans. >> what happened to the insulin cap? i feel like that was low hanging fruit for everyone. i feel like there is just zero reason why any republican wouldn't say that a drug that has been off patent for a long time that is used by a lot of americans, that could really save a lot of lives and america. because having insulin that is too expensive is actually a death sentence. why did that not survive? >> you know i have to say probably the same reason i just described in terms of republicans prohibiting medicare from negotiating with the big trump companies. it is the outsized power of big pharma. and you know, maybe insulin was the matter that they had the

chance to vote up or down on, but it was indicative of how they feel of the whole issue. but i could not agree more. almost a third of all americans are either diabetic or pre-diabetic. and insulin is live for death for some of those individuals. it has been around for over 100 years. it is, as you said, off patent. there is no formula change, and yet it has doubled in price repeatedly in recent years. there is no reason for that. and we have an opportunity to take action. the republicans failed to do so. >> you are also tasked with whipping up support for something else, the respect for marriage act, which would codify same-sex marriage into federal law. which by the way, for people didn't think we needed to do that, i put you into the dobbs

ruling. maybe we should have codified abortion rights. so far, here's the interesting thing. five gop senators have publicly expressed support. susan collins, ron johnson, lisa murkowski, rob portman, and tom tillis. about a week ago, the new york times wrote, miss baldwin says that privately at least five other republicans have given her assurances that they will also support the bill. assuming all democrats are on board, i don't know the math on. this is not the fact that i just talked to another five? do you have 60 votes for this? >> i believe we do. but i also believe that this is not a showboat or a political vote. we want to get this bill passed. and so i would love to go in there with more than ten as we just talked about with the insulin cap, we had seven republicans but not ten. we need to make sure that this passes.

and i can tell you now that we are on the august break, i have talked with so many folks who are worried about the certainty of their marriage. and that goes not only for same-sex marriages, but interracial marriages. both loving versus virginia, and obergefell, were decided on the same 14th amendment privacy arguments that roe v. wade was decided on. and people are very frightened about the future. and we need to make sure that we pass the respect for marriage act so that nobody has to worry about the certainty of their marriage. >> may i ask you, as a gay senator, do you worry that the right to game urge could go away if you don't do this? >> i do. specifically justice clarence thomas called out several cases

that the supreme court had decided and said, it is based on the same reasoning that we have just thrown out in this case it jobs. and we ought to re-examine those cases. that even if he was the only justice calling those cases out, the underlying principles of the dobbs case, they basically said that the right to privacy no longer exists as a constitutional right because, the word privacy does not appear in the constitution. and that puts in jeopardy contraceptive cases, lawrence case, loving it and volker felt. so certainly same-sex marriage in interracial marriage, people are fearful about what the future holds.

>> senator baldwin, good to see you again. thank you for being with. as democratic senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin. still to come, an update, author salman rushdie is apparently on a ventilator not able to speak after a knife attack. we will have the latest after this. will have the latest afte this

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on -- is not good after he was attacked yesterday during a speaking engagement in upstate, new york. police say a man is reportedly sympathetic to extremism stormed the stage and stab the 75-year-old and several parts of his body. rushdie interviewer was also attacked, -- as outside of the hospital in erie, pennsylvania with the latest. emily? >> hey there, ali salman rushdie wasn't surgery overnight as is now reported on a ventilator and cannot speak. his agent telling the new york times, he will likely lose an eye. when they say that rushdie has made his way to the stage, he was at the speak in a a series in chautauqua, new york when a

man also went on to the stage and repeatedly stabbed him. we spoke with the witness who had filmed that frantic aftermath. take a listen. >> after they made their way to their chairs for the conversation, within, second somebody jumped on to the stage and began to pound mr. rushdie. we were sitting around 75 feet away and we were not able to see exactly what was going on. all i remember seeing at that time was, the assailant arm going up and down, up and down. >> rushdie has faced decades of threat and extremists over his, work in 1989 and then supreme leader of iran had issued an order for his killing over his novel, the satanic versus. which is considered blasphemous and insulting by some muslims. news of the attack praised by some in a ron today, some saying that the fought has

finally worked. and right now police have not confirmed any kind of motive but long forsman source tells nbc news and reviewing the suspect social media accounts, it does appear he had expressed some sympathy east to shia extremism. we are learning the fbi is now investigating the suspect, identified as 24-year-old, body matter. looking into whether he possibly had any type of connection to the iranian government. ali, back to you. >> emily in, erie pennsylvania which is near it's in pennsylvania but near where the event was were rushdie was attacked. beyond his, work rushdie has been an outspoken champion for freedom and expression, highlighting books that are banned and reporting the stories of his removal is gravely important. i reminded that every time, every week when we hold a meeting of the velshi banned book club, especially in moments like this. moments or an author is lying in hospital and speaking for speaking and writing freely. books can save the life of a reader and for an author, possibly and danger there.

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it's good, it's bad but it's not as ugly as it's actually been. we have been getting mixed since coming from wall street this, week the markets rallied after reports that inflation had come down from where it was earlier in the summer. in, july prices were up eight and a half percent compared to nine and a half, 9.1% the month before. these of course compared to the year before. inflation might be slowing but it is still there and still high. gas prices however are down and jobs are up. way up, no matter how you read the data, the average american is still feeling the squeeze in various aspects of their life. that includes our friend of the show, betty. let's pay her a visit and see how inflation is affecting her family. betty it has a very busy day ahead of her. her son bobby's birthday, and he has a lot of opinions on exactly how he wants his party to go. but he has the idea, bobby has the ideas but betty is the one with the budget. it has gotten tighter lately.

betty needs to get bobby a cake. he won't settle for anything less than his favorite. which is homemade, chocolate cake with vanilla icing and tons of sprinkles. last, year this cake was a lot cheaper and now the cost of excess of 38%, flowers up roughly 23%. butter is up 27% and milk is up almost 16%. so she reaches for the cheaper store brand, boxed cake mix instead. and praise a little bobby is not going to know, notice the difference. a lot of reasons by the way for the rise and food prices. a recent bird flu has meant that there are fewer eggs, the war in ukraine is led to a spike in wheat prices causing flower to go up in prices. fuel, labor, packaging all of it is more expensive than usual. the price of goods are falling, finally but i don't take time for consumers to see those prices reflected in stores. betty will have to wait. now before the pandemic, betty and the family would celebrate birthdays and special occasions by going out to dinner. her favorite local italian spot,

vesuvius has raised its prices. food away from home as a congress call it is up 13.1% compared to last year. benny decides to stop for peace on the way home. even though dominoes, betty's favorite raise the price of a plane back from five 99 to 6 99. it is slow for her an affordable option. petit gets back in her car, she sees an orange line on the dashboard. we really want up to the gas, thanks to turn to the nearest gas station. finally some good news. on the, sign gas prices under $4 a gallon. betty remembers when prices were over $5 a gallon in mid june. and ready as ukrainian flag by the, way the blue and yellow hanging by her front door. she knows that the war as what's making basket isis uncertain and still it's nice to look at the sign and see lower prices. she pulls into her, driveway just as an amazon delivery truck is driving away. this must be bob's birthday gift, a brand-new flat screen

television for his bedroom. at first, betty teetered on the idea of getting hearse on his own tv because she thought, it would've shot from his school work and be too expensive. but she saw the tv prices are actually down about 15% compared to last year. she figured, what the heck why not? bobby setting myself here but that is their problem for a future betty. she considers giving bobby a cute outfit to because online retail prices have also dropped 2% in july. but finally, it is party time and now that bobby's friends have left, but he has put the last to covering plate in the dishwasher. she turns on the favorite news network, msnbc and on cox or uncorks a bottle of her favorite french wine. when prices have risen just 1.1% over the past two years. and the euro has dropped to a 20-year low against the u.s. dollar. but his proclivity for bordeaux is still in the budget. in the budget in the budget

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thousands of abortion clinics across the country if either shut down or drastically change the way that they operate. in some, states abortion clinics cannot actually provide abortions anymore. their employees are legally forbidden from giving verbal guidance to pregnant individuals seeking such care or they could face jail time. last, week and i went inside one of those clinics, the west alabama woman center in the city of tuscaloosa. which was forced to stop providing abortions the day that rovers world back. i spoke with the clerks operations director, robbyn marty, she informed me where the abortion fight is headed next. >> if i walk in here and i see you, your honor showed us as medication abortion is extremely safe and effective. and i say can i get some? >> no. i cannot say anything, if i

were a regular person, i would say something like a person can go to aid access dot org and obtain medication abortion without needing a prescription and have that trip to them regardless of whatever it is. illegal state or an illegal state. a person as running a lot of risk of surveillance and should be very careful. that be something i can say if i were a regular person. i am not a regular person so i cannot say that to a patient. i cannot say that to anyone. honestly, wearing the shirt is a risk and i do it on purpose because i know that this is one way to make a conversation happen and make people think about this. i cannot provide that information that i just provided to you. everybody else can, we know that as we move forward people are going to be doing this because this is the easier way to access abortion and a much cheaper way to access abortion. and because people cannot leave their homes to access abortion.

much less leave the region. at this point, there is no legal abortion in the entirety of the southeast except for florida. florida is only allowing abortion for the first trimester. if people are in alabama and they want and in clinic procedure or medication, they have to go the southern illinois. they have to go to north carolina. those are the states that they have to go to because everything else is gone. go to becaus everythipeople might want to sut you financially, but they might say am i supporting a lost cause by sending it to this organization? >> i hate the phrase lost cause, because lost causes how we lose. in 2019 there was a huge outpouring of support and resources when alabama passed the first abortion ban, the first total abortion ban. and that sort of resources that was sent down here galvanized the organizers around the

state. there would not be a clinic if that hadn't happened. this clinic would be gone. because this clinic was spot entirely with the funds that were fundraised during that post span surge of finances. we still need resources. we ended up with $180,000 worth of donations in their first two weeks after abortion became illegal. and we have used a large chunk of that too by broken troll. >> because that is hard to get in the state? >> you can't get it here. it is so difficult. we purchased $6,000 worth of ella. because you can only get that with a prescription from a doctor, and many doctors are gonna do it out here. the pharmacies aren't even stocked with that even if doctors do. >> does that blow your mind? that in 2022, if you arguably don't like abortion, and you would like there to be fewer unwanted pregnancies, shouldn't the corollary be that there is lots of birth control available? >> a large majority of people

who are very actively anti abortion, the people who are writing the laws, the people who are protesting in front of the clinics, the people who are doing the actions to make it disappear, they believe birth control is wrong. they do not believe that a person should be having sex without the possibility of pregnancy coming from it. we need resources to fight in order to change the politics here, we need resources to make sure that all of the people who have been left behind, and will continue to be left behind by these policies, are supported by people who are not trained to use it as religious crew hurricane. we need to be able to have pregnancy centers that provide care for pregnant and people who don't make you go to a bible study glass to get your boss in that. we need people to have the same options as any other state in the nation and not be bored because we're in the deep south, and because let's be honest, because we're poor and black.

let's be honest. when it comes to deciding where it is fund-raise, and we are to research, the reality is that states like a mississippi and alabama should be getting more resources because the resources go so much further down here. but instead, we get less of them because we are giving getting money from essentially blue state gatekeepers who decide that they would rather give it to organizations that they know, and people that they understand. and honestly, i believe that there is a bit of implicit racism in it. in this idea that black led organizations, southern organizations, those people won't spend my money properly so i would rather give it to this organization to disperse it to make sure it is used well. we can be responsible. we bought a clinic. we built power in the state where the birthplace of the civil rights movement. give us help. because we are what the rest of the country will be if nobody steps up. >> we are the what the rest of

the country will be if no one steps up. make sure to join velshi tomorrow morning. i'm going to have even more of that conversation with robbyn marty, because there are so much of it that is so eye-opening. she'd only about the antiabortion forces on the ground that are actively seeking to confuse and mislead pregnant people in her state every day. republicans have been adamant that they are the party of law and order since trump stepped on to the political scene. but trump space now has its eye or trained on the fbi, after its most recent rate of more mar-a-lago. more ahead. mar-a-lago more ahead more ahead y. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ extremist violence once again

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stained our country and once again it can be traced back to donald trump. the most recently was ignited in the president announced that the fbi raided, his words, his private club mar-a-lago on monday as the agency executed a search warrant. that is all it took to make the fbi a nonpartisan rather conservative law enforcement agency the focus of his base's ire. all across the internet, trump incest farms, threads, and chat rooms lit up with hatred and violent plans for payback. just three days later, a man clad in body armor, holding an ar-15 style rifle and a nail gun tried to breach an fbi field office in cincinnati, ohio. the man quickly fled after an immediate response from saint special agents. ultimately police caught up with him, and after engaging in a six hour standoff, the

suspect was shot and killed after exchanging fire with law enforcement officers. now, this wasn't just any bad guy with a gun. this particular person attended the capitol riots on january 6th. and even posted on trump social media platform, called truth social, that he wanted to kill federal agents because of the rage, trump's words, at mar-a-lago. and people might think that people clean carrying out these attacks are on the fringes of society and the deepest balance of the dark internet. but according to nbc's been qualms, who dwells in the sewer of the internet, he is our resident expert on the darkest corners, the most extreme corners of the internet. a lot of this is becoming mainstream and a lot of these extremists have one thing in common. >> my worry is that this is not on the darkest parts of the internet. i know those places, i know where the neo-nazis hang out. another telegrams, i know all that stuff. this is on the parts that are

obsessed with donald trump. these are your neighbors, these are the people down the street you are convinced, by the way, that the irs hiring 87,000 new agents, that is a secret ploy for people to come and take your guns. and they are going to come any day now, so you better get armed. >> joining me now, someone who steered clear of the trump or bust, ride or die wave of the republican party. joe walls of the putnam party he was a candidate who lawson donald trump in the primaries. joe, when ben tillman that, that was alarming. because the idea that people are extremists and violent things in this country's news to absolutely no one. but the idea that this guy wasn't what you would call the most extreme of extremes, but he loves trump, he listens to trump, and he acts on the sentiments that trump expresses. trump didn't tell anybody to shoot fbi agents, but he created this animus towards the fbi and this guy decided he would do something about it. >> yeah, ali,, this is not the

dark fringes as ben collins said. every free day this week i have heard from republican voters who have told me that the fbi planted evidence down at mar-a-lago. every single day, ali, i've heard that from a bunch of republicans. not just hard-core maga supporters from regular republicans. i will hear the same thing today. they are convinced, most republican voters are, that the fbi planted evidence down at mar-a-lago. ali, i will bet you we will see polling within a week or two that will show that 85% or so of republican voters believe that the fbi planted evidence. and here is the danger. just like the stolen election, the 2020 election lie is now gospel truth among most republican voters. this fbi lie, will become gospel truth as well. and just like the 2020 election

lie, led to violence, this fbi lie is going to lead to more violence as well. >> joe, the effort you are involved in in trying to reclaim what was the republican party, or conservative values in this country, the last few weeks of primaries don't indicate that it is going all that well. i want to show you the republicans who voted to impeach donald trump who will not be coming back. there are lots of them. some of them lost their primaries, some of the firms are stepping down, summer retiring. there is one who is not on this page. liz cheney, she is on this. page she's the second. one she, you we may have jumped the gun. here she has her primary coming up. but the numbers do not indicate that she is going to survive a challenge. >> liz cheney, god love her and she is a hero, she is going to lose this week and she will lose soundly. ali, the party can't be saved,

this is trump's party. it is the party of trumpism. even if trump were gone tomorrow, it is still the party of trumpism. i will tell you that this last week has only strengthened trump's grip in the republican party. it has unified republican voters behind him. again, not just hard-core maga voters, it is almost the perfect storm for trump echoes he is the victim and the deep state is coming after him and that is what so many republican voters naturally want to believe. >> let me ask you this, though, is there something that has happened since thursday and friday where when everybody was saying releasing information, the department of justice has to show us the warrant, and then we get to see some of this. and it does seem that there is some stuff in this year. there is stuff that trump shouldn't have had. does that help anybody? does that we can things for trump at all or know in your opinion?

>> no. no, because most republican voters minds were already made up as of monday. look, i love to remind everybody of this. donald trump led a conspiracy to overthrow an american election. and, ali, that didn't move republican voters off of trump. and that didn't make any of my former colleagues publicly stand against trump. so is an insurrection, in attempt to overthrow an american election, will not move republicans away from trump this fbi stuff won't either. i try to reach these folks, ali, and i reach some every week. but the vast majority are unreachable republican voters. our job now is to defeat them. to defeat them. >> joe, i always enjoy the conversations with, you thank you, my friend. former republican congressman joe walsh of illinois.

never been accused of being a liberal, just so you know. this is not some liberal guy had a republican label. joe is a conservative, joe and i have argued about conservative and liberal politics on tv. and we'll get back to that one. day but thank you joe, thank you to all of you. that does it for me. thank you for watching. catch me back here tomorrow at 8 to 10 eastern. but stick around because the cross connection with my friend tiffany cross begins right now. tiffany cross begins right now upholding the rule of law means applying the law evenly, without fear or favor. under my watch, that is precisely what the justice department is doing. i personally approve the decision to seek a search warrant in this matter. >> all, right in morning everyone. welcome to the cross connection, i am tiffany cross. it started with the president who thou