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heartbreaking stories and the efforts to fight back. from the president of neera pro-choice america. into later, a new space race between the united states and china. as a nasa prepares to return to the moon for the very first time in 50 years, with its most powerful rocket yet. all of that and more is coming up. and a good sunday morning to you. i am katie fang. two big developments we are watching this morning in the federal probe of classified documents seized from donald trump's florida home. one involves the national security fallout. the other is about a request from trump's legal team. what let's get started. this morning, with the latest from barry graham. back who is. live good morning, gary. >> good morning. katie directors of national targets said yesterday to in a

letter to congressional leaders that for all of this is going to be conducting a review of what these document may have said. 180 plus classified documents -- with they may have, said who may have seen these documents in nine classified siding, and what people we have done with that information. should they have seen those documents in an unclassified siding. it is all really going to get an understanding of the national security risk and implications are, regarding these documents. for fbi and cia agents familiar with these types of documents have been saying for weeks that a review like this was necessary. now they are going to be getting it to protect the safety and the security of and human influence that may have been mentioned in these documents. here is whether cia officer had to say about the steps of documents. >> really important to get into the documents themselves. are there things in there that are revealing? we will actually reveal an agent. if they, are that is really serious. when you take those communication measures. but at this point it is absolutely critical to know how

much actress those, i call them heroes who we were court to spy for the u.s. government. how much are they arrest? >> and late saturday night, a federal judge in florida made clear her tension to the point. a special master to review these documents. and basically this was something the trump team has been calling for. so it is a win for the trump team. it is not necessarily a loss for the doj. to get these official masters has a supervisor, somebody to make sure that the documents that the government currently has in his possession, it is legally allowed to have. katie. >> oh thanks to you, gary graham, back this morning. with all the stops again information in mar-a-lago, get a country like russia have sentenced -- to try to get to it? one fox news guest says yes. i will ask peter's trough and he will be drawn. but former united states attorney paul charlton. now we have to think, ukraine where the united nations atomic

watchdog could arrive any day at the separation nuclear power plant. as the agency looks to prevent a nuclear disaster, for days, months now in kyiv have traded accusations of shelling around the russian controlled plant. sparking international concern that fighting in the area could trigger a catastrophic radiation leak. for more, we turn to nbc news correspondent megan fitzgerald. who is in odessa. >>, katie good to be with you. the support for nuclear power plant has been a great concern since the russians started over in march. ukrainian officials say sense that the situation is growing increasingly more dire. as you, mentioned we are lining in the coming days according to international atomic energy agency, a team of experts will be going inside that facility. but, look we have seen increased shelling over the weekend. questions when we, ukrainians ukrainians blaming the

russians. well because last week huge international concern. because a fighting around that plants, a fire commit knocking that power grid around the power plant, forcing them to continue to work by these backup generators that run off of fuel, diesel fuel. the problem and concern here is that there is no way of knowing just how much diesel the russians have, should the situation happen again. meanwhile, ukrainian officials say they are not taking any chances. they passed of these iodine pills to people in the area. in the event that there is this nuclear catastrophe whereby we are looking at radioactive material. leaking out of that plant. and causing huge concern for people in the area, people that you can ukraine, and experts say, even throughout europe. this is a situation that we will be watching closely. our thanks to megan fitzgerald. n >> let's switch now to the new space. race -- new moon mission. artemis one is getting ready for takeoff and what could be

the first giant step to returning astronauts to the lunar surface. nbc's tom fellow has more. >> standing 322 feet tall, nasa's artemis rocket is the biggest stand on the path and 50 years. and animus is a different. tied with two boosters it will be 50% more powerful then the monster saturn five rockets that carried apollo astronauts to the moon. this morning, all systems are go for a monday launch and a test flights to orbit the moon. >> we are pushing the vehicle to its limits, really stretching it to get ready for a crew. we mediate the risk as far as we can now it is time to get to launch so that we get that data that we need to put crew on it. >> within two years, astronauts will ride on top of the rocket in the iranian crew capsule. the entire artemis arion stack

looks at something like apollo on steroids. with some critical upgrades for future astronauts. >> iran is a lot bigger than apollo. three astronauts, four astronauts put in these chairs here. they have the retractable rolling machine right here for exercise. it's something apologies not have, underneath my feet, a commode. >> nasa is also testing out this new astronaut suit, for future missions. replacing the suits shuttle astronauts. the new, suit designed to keep astronauts alive for 144 hours show their spaceship suddenly lose cabin pressure. >> you see there is a little food port here where using a specialized design you can put liquid knit forefront in. think of like a protein shake. and a crew member can turn his head in the helmet, be able to drink. that so they have the proper nutrition. >> i was in? there is a? >> it feels, goodness and. cool >> cool? >> yes, has a cooling -- underneath to troops across the keeps me nice and cool. >> you have a hot houston day.

>> yes, sir. >> if this uncrewed artemis mission goes well, an astronaut mission will follow. then the lunar landing in 2025, and a moon -- returning for its mission, iran will re-enter the earth atmosphere even faster and hotter than the space shuttle. mark 32. it's 5000 degrees. a brand-new heat shield will protect future cruise, before parachuting into the pacific ocean. >> the main objective that we really want to get out of this test flight is stressing that heat shield. getting a test of the newer ryan heat shield, that lunar reentry velocity. >> how unbelievably exciting. thank you to nbc's tom costello. and why this new mission could get other americans excited about space again, the according states are actually higher than ever. we are gonna talk to a top nasa official about concerns over america's new rival in space and what it could mean for our national security?

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it feels like the country is still digesting what we found out on friday, with our dak to the affidavit that came out giving us a look at what kind of top secret information donald trump kept at his golf club. but let's shift the perspectives to the justice department, and specifically to merrick garland. can you imagine what it is like to be him right now? the amount of pressure he must be facing on all sides? keep in mind we only have a small window into this one investigation, and some believe it is already an upward indictment of donald trump.

one person who believes that, alex dershowitz, a member of trump's own legal team in his first impeachment trial. >> there is enough for an indictment, but there will not be indictment and should not be an indictment based on what we have seen up to. now once it is unredacted, maybe we will have to change our minds. >> i disagree with torturous that there should be an indictment there, but despite his claim that is not going to happen, he does think there is enough to invite indict donald trump. we are the timeline there? the garland have charges now for -- down the line. then there are the challenges that gary grumbach explained. earlier -- saying she will assess the documents seized in mar-a-lago. and the judge late last night singled their support for trump's special master to oversee the review of those documents. i'm glad to walk to my panel this morning talk about this imbricate down.

peter strzok is the former fbi counterintelligence agent, and -- is a former united states attorney appointed by former president george w. bush. peter, paul, nice to have you guys here this morning. first question i'm going to throw it to. peter peter, i want to know your reaction to the official confirmation, now, there is going to be a damage assessment of the top secret information that was found at mar-a-lago. it seems that this would be a pretty urgent priority in order to protect, perhaps, those human sources that are so critical for our national security. >> okay, absolutely. these are the kinds of things that for the intelligence community, the first order of business is to figure out what potential sources and methods messages are in play. but we, know because their documents that were -- documents controlled by the human control system. that these relate to the most sensitive and detailed information becoming from sources. getting handling with those sources aren't whether or not they are safe, whether or not

anything needs to be done to protect them, up to a conclusion -- whatever they may be working, or absolutely first order of business. this letter also tells a very important point, which is that the dni will not get together and serve as a coordinating point for the classification review of all these documents. the reason that is important is because 50 -- is going to bring any charges related to the documents in appropriately classified. they need to be able to have that information and stand up in court. in other words, if there are any sort of charges that do not have -- national defense information, apparently classified top secret level, we want to be absolutely sure that they have a classification authority of experts and intelligence community scanning behind that assertion so that if it is challenged in court, it will survive anything from it evidentiary perspective and be useful. this is expected and appropriate, it really speaks to the gravity of the situation. >> paul, uniter was former

prosecutors. when you make about this judge appearing with preliminary support. there is an upcoming hearing next week will probably get a hearing on that report from a special master. but canyons requests for a special master. let's be frank. are we already getting a complete catalog of it was already taken by this point in time? that privilege review team has had the material for at least two weeks now. >> casey, that is exactly right. as you, said you and i both know is former prosecutors that the moments that evidence is assimilated, is gathered, it is going to be reviewed. since august 8th, the fbi and the department of justice has been reviewing those documents, they have a team there to make sure they are not picking up information that they ought not to have. which is to say, privileged information. i think it is safe to say that they may be attempting to close the wrong door after that evidence has already been

reviewed. let me settle, that katie, it is probably fine for the department of justice to have a special master's, there is nothing wrong with. that there will be a neutral arbiter to make sure the judges have done their job properly. >> peter, i guess on fox news last week has written about national security issues, suggesting that the russians would have been very interested in very possibly would have recruited spies to get top signification of it was held in mar-a-lago. at this, point we have no knowledge of that has happened. do you agree that it is a possibility that the russians, especially with that very tight connection that the russians have had through putin with donald trump, with an interest date and possibly tried to infiltrate mar-a-lago to get to some of that data? >> katie, absolutely, the russians but not just the russians. and the confidence for intelligent, service whether those belonging to china, those belonging to iran, cuba, certainly including, russia are all both were interested and

are interested in gaining access to mar-a-lago. which, especially considering the information coming out right now about the lack of insular control or memorialization of who the access to mar-a-lago at any given time, particularly in the context of the fact it appears the classified documents were strong all over the facility. and not just in the storage room. kosovo documents were recovered from his office, from the pine hall, from a multitude of places. so if you are a foreign intelligence service, yes, of course regardless of the knowledge of classified documents being there, the intelligence services are going to have been trying to gain access, throughout the tennessee of troops administration, absolutely there to think that the intelligence agency in the fbi in particular going to be very concerned about trying to establish, who had access to the, grants who had access to that storage area. and when they need to do to mitigate any sort of damage that might occur the innovative,

biggest question, worst scenario, is that some of those classified informations fell into the hands of a former intelligence service. >> paul, we know that the doj has advised the court and the world, frankly, that they are in the midst of an investigation. but i want to provide you, i'm with have you put your mayor carla tack on it now. i'm a prosecutor on this file and i'm coming to you and i am saying, paul charlton, we have enough probable cause for that warrant. we went in and got this evidence. moving up to charge donald trump with specific federal counsel have been violated. do you then sign off on an indictment, now? maybe a superseding indictments later at once maybe further in more criminal confederates maybe reestablish the probable cause they have been involved in these crimes? those might come forward later. but paul, do you try to get in now through that door, indict donald trump than do a surface reading of that later? >> great question. it's important for everyone to

understand, as you and i both know, probable cause is much different than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. the government has demonstrated that they have probable cause to believe in a crime occurred. we do not yet know whether or not the government has proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and could prove that case, to a unanimous jury. with merrick garland is going to have to do is carefully way all of the evidence to make sure that he does or does not have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. as you and i both know, katie, it's going to be very important for merrick garland to also weigh the gravity of this situation. we are not talking about an ordinary prosecution, when that occurs every day throughout the united states. this is one that may involve a former president of the united states. the importance of that is that should a successor president coming to office, or successor attorney general, we do not want people to think that it is easy or simple to look back in

time and prosecute your predecessor. so merrick garland is going to have to make sure that there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. and also keep in mind what he is doing for the future of our nation. as he moves forward with this extraordinary, out of the ordinary case. ordinary case. >> peter, i've listened mid left you guys. but i have to ask, why is the inside baseball for people in the intelligence community about these perceived violations of trust? the breaches of trust, these documents that should have been classified in protective just being hanging out in someone's golf club in palm beach? >> katie, two quick ones. first, what has been redacted does, not i, think as bad as it looks, does not convey the gravity of just how bad and serious some of this information was. as bad as you think it is from what we've read, the details of it i think are actually worse. the second part is, from a national security perspective, the classified information and protecting that is clearly at

the top of the list of concerns. but from a criminal and prosecutorial perspective, the allegations of obstruction of probably more significance than the allegations of mishandling of classified information. clearly the obstruction hinges on and in some ways the classified documents, in a way that they won't turnover. but i will look at the obstruction, particularly that -- the doj had at mar-a-lago. hanging down the number of things that will give rise to knowledge, and the breaking of that knowledge of what should have been done. >> peter strzok, paul charlton, peter paul, i do not have a merry. maybe next time when you guys come back to the show i get my friend mary trump to join us. peter, paul, thank you for being on my expert panel this morning. appreciate you guys. >> thank you. >> coming up, final countdown. nearly 50 years of the the apollo mission, nasa is getting ready to send humans back to the moon. i will talk to the agency's deputy administrator, pam mel roy. about tomorrow's test flight.

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want to build bases on the ice rich south pole of the moon which could also serves a critical jumping off point for a future cruise missions to mars. the stakes are higher than ever with national security risks. nasa chiefs llewyn allison told a newspaper back in july, we must be very concerned that china landing on the moon and saying it's hours now and you say out. the pentagon also warm warned in a report, quote, winning the space rate is is a national imperative. the visor china's both an economic and space powers an imminent threat to democracy, the free market economy, and the world national order. -- national security will lead in the space race. joining me now i have the honor of having nasa's deputy administrator ham mulroy. hand, it is truly an honor to have you here this morning. thank you for taking the time. i know you guys have a lot of last-minute prep you are doing, but i want to ask you, how are you feeling? what is the feeling?

what is the vibe right now ahead of tomorrow's launch? it's a huge milestone evolve as well. >> thank you for having me. we are so excited. the feelings are almost overwhelming. both excited but also the team is ready and focused. this is a test flight and we are exercising not just a rocket but also the people and procedures, so we are all going through this for the first time together and everybody is really focused. >> pam, china and russia, they are working together and have plans to build a new space stations but 20 nations have bodies timed onto the artifice mission with the united states in order to explore the moon. if you had to college, who is winning? the current space race. >> well, certainly having a rocket that is capable of going to deep space and, more importantly, a spacecraft capable of protecting humans

from deep space environment but also capable of being incredibly high speed re-entry. that puts us in a very capable position. we are really looking in that at this as about making sure that we are putting science front in center. that we are putting collaboration and partnership front and center. we think that is very important because how we go into the solar system is as humans is as important as well we do and we get there. >> can you talk a little bit more about why the global stakes would be so high with this particular mission in the potential national security concerns if china were to assume control and possessions of part of the moon? >> well it definitely is something on our mind. we are concerned about the moon turning into something like the sprightly islands. we are looking at the foundation of the outer space treaty which is really the primary's piece of pace law out there, it emphasizes the importance of freedom of

access. we are also emphasizing transparency and i think that is incredibly important. especially because science is finance under for us, we should be sharing information, making sure that we are deconflict-ing our activities and so from our standpoint, so, the president is very important. >> and tell us a little bit more, also pam, about the lunar south pole. no astronaut have has ever seen it with their own eyes. what is that specific location so critical? >> well first of all the south pole, it turns out, it's very hard to get to. we have been working very hard on that. it's not as easy as the land excites that we did for apollo, but what is really exciting about it is that recent discoveries show that there is the potential to have water ice there. now, water is wonderful of course we need it from everything we do ask humans. we need for our scientific

experiments, for cooling and things like that. most of all, it rocket fuel. that means that it's every kilogram of that ice is rocket fuel we don't have to bring all the way from earth to support our exploration. that rocket fuel is very, very precious. it's all about the water. >> you i would like everybody know that you yourself broke barriers in the industry are in. they are one of only two women every command a space shuttle. there is going to be a lot of history making moments with these missions, including landing the first woman and person of color on the moon. can briefly tell us a bit about that? >> yes. i was part of the apollo generation and i was so inspired to see the apollo astronauts land on the moon. my parents told me i could do anything that i wanted to and i believed them. i was very fortunate to be among the first woman pilot

astronauts. when we see now is much more inclusive office and we have money more women astronaut, people of color. what is really exciting about artemis is that we are in a different generation and, to me, the ability of kids today to see someone who looks like them landing on the moon, i think, it's going to inspire a much more inclusive artemis generation and bring everyone along with us around the world. >> pam mel roy, i have to tell you, i tell my little girl who is seven years old she can do anything and be anything. to be able to have this conversation with you today was further proof of my point. pamela rose, great to be with you and we are all gonna be what carefully with you tomorrow morning. >> thank you. >> coming up. is the united states becoming unsafe if you are pregnant? many american woman with a non viable pregnancy could be forced to give birth to babies that they know will not live.

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doctors would help their patients with non viable pregnancies. now, in texas for example, they could face life in prison due to a new gop backed law criminalizing abortion from the moment of fertilization. the law, going into effect despite 82% of all a texas voters including 78% of texas republican voters saying in a recent poll that they support abortion access in cases of rape or incest. to be clear, the new law does not have these exceptions. i'm joined by the president -- of pro-choice america -- many, thank you for being with us. you saw and heard a few examples, tragically, we can lay out for our viewers. it seems as if in their rush to prevent women from obtaining safe and legal abortions, this particular issue of non viability was completely overlooked by the gop when they were crafting these extreme bands. >> this is why bands are so

problematic. you have really laid out some of the most agree just cases. there are hundreds and hundreds more cases not getting media tension. at the end of the day, if you have a ban, even one with exceptions. many folks ask about pushing. even with exceptions you think about how fraught the situation is in a political climate like now. doctors who may want to perform procedures because they are medically sound practice are living in a culture of fear of prosecution, punishment, and losing the practices if they do the right thing because most of these bands don't have any enforcement mechanism. no clarity but how they are enforced. there's a ton of debate -- do you want hospital administrator's? prejudged panel is making decisions about life and death consequences in the moment? it is a horrific situation in this country. >> so, many, when you are

having conversations like about this at the state level with politicians who pushed for these bands, are any shock to hear about these real consequences and subsequently change their minds? what is the strategy going forward to, perhaps, capitalize on a change of heart? >> that is a good question. there are's a well publicized case of the south carolina legislator who has expressed shock and outrage and sort of changed their position on the ban and south carolina. i think he voted present, not against. look, i will be candid with you katie, i am deeply skeptical of the latest reports of gop elected officials and candidates like masters, for example, scrubbing their website of their possession on these abortion bans. we have been screaming for decades about the consequences of the bands. it is more egregious and horrific near that roe has been overturned, but they're been decades of targeted

restrictions against abortion providers that limited or eliminated access for millions of women and pregnant people, particularly in rural areas and for women of color. i am, frankly, skeptical that these people did not understand the consequences of their actions and right now the thing is to vote them out. we have to hold them accountable. the american people are not in the mood to negotiate with people who are so callous in eliminating our rights and frankly lethal about it, if you look back. and now those candidates are running scared, they are seeing the poll numbers in places like texas of all places, right? our strategy is about them out, don't compromise, push for the most access for american people as possible. >> let's be clear, there are some people though, candidates, many who are just doubling down. for example, republican nominee for governor in michigan. tutor dixon made these

incredibly shocking comments recently regarding abortion rights. let's take a quick listen. >> i have talked to those people who were the child of a rape victim and the bond that those people made and the fact that out of that tragedy there was healing through that baby, it is something we don't think about. the babies of rape victims that have come forward are very powerful when you hear their story. >> yes. we heard that right. she said rape victims, rape victims, find healing by being forced to have their rapists baby. many, i am personally speechless but what do you have to say in response to that? >> well i think context is important, katie. she was actually talking about a 14-year-old rape victim. we have to be clear, about more care that statement is, if it wasn't deeply, deeply shocking. if we had to win.

it is completely out of unacceptable and out of line with american positions -- . >> they are in support of a constitutional amendment that would protect abortion access in the, state peterson currently going -- 11 points behind gretchen whitmer. we are gonna see with the consequences a, with the problematic statements. you think it is a great example that while some candidates are trying to cover their tracks, others are just showing their true colors. when american voters are looking at the extremist gdp, you remember there is on the table a federal abortion ban. so the only way to stop them in their tracks is to elect a democratic house to state senate, and two seats. eliminate the filibuster and pass the -- >> vinita mirage, are you pro-choice america reproductive freedom in the portion writes. they are going to be the issues. when people go to that ballot box in november. i appreciate your time and your insight, thank you for being here. and coming, up your lookalike

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for somebody who looks almost exactly like you but is not related to you. some people believe everyone in this world has a doppelganger. and for the hosts of highly rated shows with millions of viewers, they are easier to find. [noise] >> take your hat off, sir. i can't even do the show because i keep over, talking

about, why am i sitting in the crowd? [noise] >> girl, you've got to curl your hair. >> here is why you might have heard doppelganger talk recently. a canadian artist took a day project photographing lookalikes. seeing here. it ends up inspiring a spanish scientist who studies identical twins. he wanted to look for an explanation for these doppelganger. 's his study found that true lookalikes shared a significant portion of their dna, even though they are not even related. take a listen. >> they have these genetic variances that are related in a way that they have the shape of the nose, the eye, the mouth, the lips. and even the bose rupture. this led lead to the conclusion that genetics put them together. -- there are so many people it eventually the system is

producing humans with similar dna sequences. >> mind-blowing. check out these guys. michael malone and charlie treson. believe it or not, these two men are not related. they are actually longtime friends. but this study says that they could still share a good amount of dna. they have something else in common. they are both here with me today for the show. michael and charlie, thank you for joining us. michael, i'm gonna start with you. according to a new york times article you did not even notice when you first met charlie how similar you to look. now you are part of a study on people who look exactly alike. but with that experience, like especially for a pair lucky who are already friends? >> we saw is as just a fun thing to do. we have, of course, being good friends have a lot of great things to do. trips and all kinds of silly adventures and fun social things. so it was just another thing to do as friends, to strengthen our friendship bond.

>> charlie, your ancestors aren't even from the same parts of the world as michael. so, what was it like to learn about this shared dna between the two of you? i guess that is a spoiler alert for everybody tuning in right now. what was it like to learn that you and michael actually have some of the same genetic variants? >> it is interesting. we had a theory that we have postulate it for a while. as you said, we are not anything like historically, genetically related. my family comes from eastern europe. michael's family is from the caribbean. we thought that maybe we had some common irish ancestry from a long time ago. and then, on the interview the other night, when the guy said that they went back 100 years and there was nothing, but we still had all the same genetic traits, i just thought it was so fascinating. it was so interesting. because it is not because of our common ancestry, it is just the randomness of the world. we've got a lot of the same dna

traits. we have been having a lot of fun trying to figure that went out for a while. >> michael, why do you think the study is so important? there are been some mentions about stuff like helping to diagnose illnesses for people who have some of the similar dna. the same genomes. there are some of us have not been friends with our doppelganger for more than 20 years, like. you and charlie, both have. ben why do you think this study is so important? >> i think it is important because a number, one the first thing is helping to diagnose illnesses. the second thing is to realize that we can be more connected than you think we are. if people that lookalike have some of the same dna, that is a commonality that humankind has amongst them. there was a project that was done in columbia called what we have in common. and they brought people together that have not even met before. many of these doppelganger's

have, not but they brought them together for the first time, just to bring people together. so i have realized throughout my life, you have more in common, because even through the years, charles and i are, like i will say to, charlie i didn't know you knew sue insulin vice versa. and i have actually seen, even before this other doppelganger's here and there, like, oh my gosh looked like so and so. oh my gosh this looks like so it. so it just shows us that we have more in common than we do. >> charlie, last question to. you i have to, asks as you've been friends for more than 20 years, have either if you guys ever taken advantage of that it may be pulled a fast one on someone by swapping places? >> 100%. yes we have. i was not actually there for the main event that is known as it, i was not. there but michael and my partner were hanging out one time, and ran into somebody die been friends with for a long time. it was a bar.

so people were maybe not in their perfect minds. but they did a great job of tracking one of my friends into thinking that it wasn't me. and he was really mad when he figured it out. we have so many stories like, that the. there are some really fun and interesting things that have happened over the years. this is happened over and over. regardless of what the dna says, it happens all the time. so we have had a lot of fun, for sure. >> this is really cool for you guys to be here this morning with us. charlie jason, michael malone, i'm going this way on my monitor. it is good to have you guys here, and thanks for sharing your experience with us, we really appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> to the viewers out there, do you have a doppelganger? we want to see them. send us your pictures at the katie fang show on facebook, twitter, instagram or tiktok. we'll be right back. l be right back. it's the all-new subway series menu! 12 irresistible new subs...

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