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on the threat to democracy. plus, while trump's attempt to slow down investigation made be too late. plus or more coming for the theft of ashley biden's diary? and allegations at a texas podcast or could be on a something when it comes to student debt relief. >> it could drive up turnout, particularly among young people. all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes,. on this last week of august, this monday i think it's now safe to say at this point that just three weeks after the fbi search of donald trump's mar-a-lago home, his defenders have run out of arguments. in the initial days after the search, republicans, right-wing media rushed to fill the vacuum of media what we had that would've led the fbi to take this in italy extraordinary reaction with just about every bogus excuse in the book.

>> they just don't get a flying flip about how they look which is terrifying. >> or the rule of law? >> yeah i feels that way. >> trump's a more mental guy. you've seen inside his office, there's a lot of clutter, and memorabilia. >> do i know that the boxes of material that they took from mar-a-lago that they won't put things in those boxes to for entrapment? how do i know there were gonna be honest about with us about what's in the boxes? how do we know that it was in the box when all of the residents? >> what they're probably doing is planting evidence, which is what they did during the russia hoax. we also have a hunch that they doctored evidence to get the warrant. >> they have a standing order, that's the word i've been looking for, the documents removed from the oval office had been taken to the residence were deemed to be declassified is the moment he remove them. >> every single one of those clumsy ex trump's supporters may have been shown to be wrong. they were all total nonsense. over the last three weeks, every fact that it's been reviewed and revealed about the

classified documents at mar-a-lago has made this story more and more damning for donald trump. the chain of events as we now know it shows the government u.s. government, the justice department, the fbi, the national archives trying everything they can to avoid getting to the point where they would have to execute a search warrant. they asked for the documents back multiple times, they sent a top justice department official to visit mar-a-lago in person. they negotiated with trump's lawyer, they issued a subpoena, they did everything they could over the course of let's remember a year and a half to avoid where we are at now. but what are you gonna do in the end? the ex president refused to give all the documents back. they are not his. that is the plain truth, that's it. and so as the new york times noted last week some of trump's defenders have gone a little quiet. quote, republicans once outraged by the mar-a-lago search had become quieter as details emerged of photos -- but others are doing what's so

often happens when people run out of arguments, they just resort to force. that's what we're hearing now from senator lindsey graham of south carolina. >> most republicans including me believes when it comes to trump there is no law, it's all about getting him. if they try to prosecute donald trump from mishandling classified information after hillary clinton set up a server in her basement, there literally will be rides in the street. i worry about our country. >> literally riots in the streets. senator graham threatening violence against the government because of donald trump's having position of documents he knew they were had. we've seen this exact pattern before. through weeks ago it's exactly what happened in the lead up to january 6th. donald trump lead the election, and then immediately even beforehand he and his allies began by making completely false, bogus claims about how

the election was rigged, lying about it all. cycled through this litany of stories, trying anything that might happen, it was the voting machines, infiltrated by the ghost of eva travis, or the election workers, or the italian satellites. each in every one of the rebutted. each and every one of them wrong, failed. when one argument failed, it just went on to the next. over and over and over. again until they were out of time and out of excuses. nothing left, so what happened then? then donald trump turned it was last remaining option, how having failed to persuade, having failed in court, having failed to establish anything factually, he just went in the direction of menacing threats of violence. he told his supporters to come to washington rally, promising them it would be wild. he riled up what he knew we knew now know was unarmed crowd, launch them towards the capital, explicitly directing them in that direction. they proceeded to set off a

deadly riot in almost successfully pull off a violent coup. >> our country has had enough. we will not take it anymore, and that's with this is all about. because you will never take back our country with weakness. you have to show strength and you have to be strong. we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore. so we're going, we are going to walk down pennsylvania avenue. i love pennsylvania avenue. we are going to the capitol. >> that is what it sounds like when trump and his supporters run out of arguments. that's what we saw on january six. that's what it looks like. and i fear that is the path we are going towards again with the rhetoric of people like lindsey graham going a national television and threatening a riot. of course, it's not just graham. trump is doing his part as well,

he knows what he's doing. he's goading this all on just as he was in the lead up to january 6th, on january six, just days after the search of mar-a-lago he began menacing attorney general merrick merrick garland. there's no other word for. according to a top from his own team, revealed in a court filing last week, the ex president sent a message to one of his lawyers quote, president trump wants the attorney general to know that he's been hearing from people all over the country about the rate. there was one word to describe the mood it is angry. the heat is building. up the pressure is building up. whatever i can do to take down the heat down, to bring the pressure down, just let us know. trump has also been relentlessly attacking federal law enforcement, writing it is fake twitter, about the quote atrocities being perpetrated by the fbi and the doj having to do with the rain breaking in my home in mar-a-lago. he referred to them as a third world nation. they have no shame, they are destroying our country. he even wrote an article called the federal fascist bureau of investigation.

now remember, in case you forgotten, just a few days after the search of mar-a-lago, a man tried to shoot his way into the fbi office in cincinnati. a few days after that, a pennsylvania man was arrested after threatening to slaughter and kill fbi agents saying online, you declare war knots announce open season on you. when this is not an experiment, this is not a hypothetical. there is very clearly a real danger in all this medicine rhetoric, and we are now watching it play out in realtime. as trump and his allies like lindsey graham repeat the same kind of script the lead up to the violent insurrection on january 6th, in which people ended up dead. thankfully this time around we should note they are doing it with a much smaller platform, but it's also clear their attempts at intimidation have successfully entered into public debate across the political spectrum. even among the establishment

centrist budgets whether trump should be indicted. lindsey graham is not the only one arguing that the ex president should be above the law, because as most extreme brainwashed followers will resort to violence if the law comes to get him. but it just simply cannot be the case that the orderly administration of democratic rule and a nation of laws can be vetoed by a violent mob as it almost was on january 6th. that is precisely what the ex president is trying to do again. >> congressman david cicilline, his democrat of rhode island introduced articles of impeachment of donald trump overs attempted coup and served as an impeachment manager in the second trial of the ex president. he writes of all this on his book house on fire, fighting democracy in the age of political are some. good to have you here congressman. do you interpret those comments the same way as i do? essentially a threat from lindsey graham and others saying they were able to piece the president were to be

indicted. >> yes, i don't think he can interpret them as in any other way. i began my book really in part to sound the alarm about the threat we face in this country, the threat to our democracy, and hope to encourage people that that must be our first priority in the midterm elections is defending and protecting our democracy. i began my book with the one year anniversary of january six, which was only attended by a single republican, but he couldn't come because he was having his first child, but that's evidence of how little progress we have made in persuading our republican colleagues about what's the really is the threat here. this is an ex president who used fear and division and threats of violence in an attempt to stay in power after the american people rejected a second term and tried to overthrow an american election. that worked to really undermine the institutions of our democracy, which is ongoing. we see people like lindsey graham who are essentially saying either allow this president to get away with

wrongdoing or there will be more violence. that is a fascist statement. it's the use of violence for political means. i know there's a lot of dustup about using that word, but in my book i talk about the checklist for fascist and you go down that list and donald trump has engaging behavior that meets all of those elements. this is a serious threat. the book is intended hopefully to raise the consciousness of people. i was involved in both the first and second impeachment, the second impeachment as a manager, but this is the most dangerous time that i think we have faced in my lifetime in terms of protecting our democracy and our ability to continue to live in a democracy. >> when you use the word fascist, my background, when i was younger i came up in a very sort of leftist circle. i was kind of a boring liberal in the end. the fascist bureau of investigation is something you would read in a left-wing anarchist magazine. the ex president of the united

states of the republican party and ostensibly the conservative party, talking about the fascist bureau of investigation and people in the other party going along with this. there is this conspiracy by the fbi to get donald trump. it's really had spinning stuff. >> particularly from a party that prides itself on supporting law enforcement, and always criticizing democrats for the opposite. this is about supporting the rule of law. we live in a country that requires that everyone follows the same set of rules and if you break the law and violate the rules, you must be held accountable. we've been taught since we're very young. nobody is above the law. if that is true, then donald trump must be held accountable for his conduct and see republican colleagues trying to make excuses. you played at the beginning of the show, it's head spinning. every excuse that i've heard from those republicans is, answer the question why in the world did donald trump take highly classified documents home with him in violation of the law?

>> and keep them for 18, months, what was he doing? why didn't you just give them? back there's no answer for that. and on this point of the threat, it is striking to me. people ask me about politics i say look, one of the paradoxes here, one of the most difficult things about preserving democracy, that most voters are gonna vote on things like inflation or choice. they will be focused on issues on a day-to-day lives generally. it's gonna be hard to get to get people to care about democracy as a voting issue. right? i am generally pleasantly surprised this nbc news poll shows that the top issue volunteer by the voters's threats to democracy. i think >> i think the american people do understand in a very profound way that is something very dangerous is happening. all the things that people really care about are more difficult to solve if you don't have democracy. if you don't have a functioning democracy where people are allowed to vote and select their own leaders, and votes are counted and how they were represented. i think people understand that the conduct of the former

president and those who are supporting him is very dangerous. my experience in providence where there is a very corrupt mayor who was in office before is that ultimately it was the people who stood up and said enough is enough and elected me. i think we need the same thing for people to say enough is enough and like people who are prepared to stand up and fight for our democracy, and do not support anyone from this party. this is not your grandparents republican party. this is a party of chaos, of corruption, insurrection, in the big lie. they forfeited the route the right to have control over our, health care or, economy and our democracy. the democrats are delivering to the american people, at the same time we need to characterize the republicans for what they are in supporting this ex president and promoting the untruths and the lies. i think when we do that we will prevail. i would not normally write a book. i wrote a book because this is a dangerous moment and feel

everyone has to do everything they can to sound the alarm, to raise your voice to make sure everybody realizes the threat we face to make sure we can confront it, and defeated, and preserve american democracy. >> and it's the danger here is literally. the guy who showed up at the fbi offices cincinnati spikes sending at this bulletin which advises that such threats are occurring aligned. it calls for authorities to be vigilant. let me end on that. you just mentioned one of my favorite political stories in america, which is the one from providence. for those who don't know, this is a very charismatic fuselage take demagogic one might even say may or who was also pretty corrupt. he ends up getting indicted, does time in prison, gets it runs again. right? he had a hold on people despite everything. what do you learn from that? for this because there's a lot there? >> i think any and what i learned from that is the virtue

of the voter, that really the only way can confront that is for ultimately for people in the city to say, we have suffered enough in this type of leadership. our lives have not gotten better, we will not tolerate this type of leadership. >> the prosecution and's up not being a magic bullet. the prosecutor and he comes at a, jelani runs again. >> they said things about him like they said about donald trump. they said he could rob a bank any could still get voted back in office. sounds familiar? right i think in the end i saw the worst in politics but i've also seen the best, by virtue of the people to stand up and say enough is enough. >> i strongly believe the majority of americans this difference are in this camp and we will see what that does. congressman creator of year. still had doj says it's done looking through the latest set of documents its report recovered from donald trump's retiring on.

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says that a special team has already reviewed the request, and identified a limited set of materials that potentially contain attorney client privileged information, but doj did not respond to the claim of executive privilege. it's partly because, it's sort of nonsensical. the doj's also saying they will respond to the motion filed by trump's lawyers, and provide more detailed list of materials recovered from the search, as well as an extra long memo that they've gotten permission to -- for the special master. asha rangappa is focused on special investigations and senior lecturer at yale. brandon van grack is a former member of robert mueller's team, he's a member of doj's national security team, where he investigated -- and prosecuting cases involving the espionage act. great to have you both. there's a lot to get to hear. it's super confusing, partly because the request by the trump team is so incoherent in

some ways. let me just start this way, pasha, the number one thing is no judge can order time to be reversed. so, if you are asking for thing to happen that has already happened, there is nothing to do about that. the biggest issue they have is the timeliness of this filing. >> right. i'm really trying to understand what the trump lawyers and game is here, because it sounds like they still want to ask for a special master. i'm trying to reverse engineer this, like how you play a record backwards to hear the secret message. and i think the problem that happens here is, let's say the special master is appointed. and that special master is asked to review if there's executive privilege claims. let's say they get but they want, they're not contesting the authority of the presidential records act. it means that all of those identified documents will be

returning to the national archives, not to trump. that is who owns them. i'm not sure what they think, at that point, is going to happen. i suspect that the department of justice within ask norma for those documents, under the parade, which they've already done for the previous conscience of documents, and they would get it because there's an ongoing investigation, and works back to square one. i don't really understand what outcome or remedy is that they think will happen from this request. >> let's continue on that, brandon, because this gets to weird abuse of the concept of executive privilege, which has been throughout, and even pat cipollone and the way that he invokes it seems like really imprecise. it's not a magic thing that means that these are mine in donald trump's only. it belongs to the existing executive of the government i don't even understand the nature of the executive

privilege claim is, frankly. >> the reality is, is it's not really worth too much time trying to figure that out, because asserting the privilege claim against the privilege shoulder, in this case the executive. it doesn't appear to carry much water, and i think what we're gonna see tomorrow from the justice department is a very vigorous assertion of that fact. and so probably we should wait to see what that is, and we'll see how strong the departments view is that the bigger issue. >> so these filings seem sort of essential, they're in attempt to delay or throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. the judge indicating she might be inclined to grant it and a lot of people pointing out that is neither here or there in terms of the ultimate resolution of the case. when the doj court filing today on classification review, which seems significant. department of justice and office of director of national

intelligence are facilitating -- pursuant to the search. odni is also leading an intelligence community assessment of the potential risk to national security, that will result from a disclosure of these materials. what's the significance of that, why is that happening in with his hand mean? >> well, the classification review itself is really to look at what is the nature of the material that has been recovered. and this will go to the damage assessment. the classification is related to, it's a hierarchical scale of the type of damage that it would cause. and i suspect that the department of justice has included that, to say by the way, there are a national security implications here. because this court, as far as i can tell, if supposedly exercising what is called equitable jurisdiction, which means they're looking at fairness. and the government always gets

a feather on the scale when there are national security interests involved. those should be given great weight, and i think they're pointing out that in this clown show there are real national security issues. >> there's also the question down the line of the competing -- about keeping the secret secret, which is at the core of one of a lot of the transgression's here, and the possible prosecution or trial in which there would be some tension between the aim of keeping the secret secret, and a certain amount of transparency that would be necessary to actually bring a case, correct? >> that's right, one of the core challenges of prosecuting cases involving the mishandling of classified documents, is not uncommon if you have highly classified documents, some of which appear to have been involved and seized from mar-a-lago, to just simply be

so sensitive that, for example, they cannot be provided to a jury, which does not yet have a security clearance, that's not part of the process, or they can't be provided to defense council. so there's oftentimes a chant challenge determining what documents, what classified documents can actually be used to prosecute an individual in this case. >> let's follow up on that, in that circumstance would you just not include those super super classified documents in a trial at all? they just wouldn't exist for the purposes of the trial essentially? >> that's exactly right, you are almost looking for a goldilocks document that are just right, not too sensitive, but also conveying on their face enough harm or potential damage that a juror, for example can see them and realize that there is something here that is different than what you would read about in the new york times. >> that's fascinating, asha rangappa and brandon van graph, that was really eye-opening, thank you both.

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it again. most infamous example as trump lawyer rudy gianna skimming, directed by the president, using foreign policy and the state department in coordination with his private attorney to repeal the attempt to blackmail the president of ukraine zelenskyy into digging up dirt on his political rival joe biden. trump got caught and he was gratefully impeached for. it >> he tried to cheat and he got caught. now this wasn't the first time. this russian effort to interfere in our elections didn't deter donald trump. it empowered him. the day after special counsel bob mueller testified before congress about russia's sweeping and systemic effort to influence the outcome of our last election, the day after president trump believed that the investigation into his first electoral misconduct had come to an end, the president was back on the phone urging

yet another country, this time ukraine to help him cheat in another election. >> and it wasn't just you clean skin there. we're number of other dirty tricks in the works by trump allies in the last election. there was kanye west bizarre campaign weren't as a pro trump candidate, hoping to be encouraged by pro trump operatives to pull some votes of black voters away from joe biden. i think that was the thinking. then there was the fake electors scheme, which remains under criminal investigation. the attempt to publicly pressure government officials to overturn the election. then before the governor election happened, of these leaks from joe biden's son hunter from the laptop, and more seriously in some ways the theft of the diary joe biden's daughter ashley. amy harris found the diary at a house where biden ability. she offered the diary to the

trump campaign. but according to prosecutors, trump campaign can't use it. they wanted to go to the fbi. there is no way trump campaign can use this. it has to be done another way. they sold for $40,000 to the right-wing smear for miss leaving lee editing sting videos. harris's colleague testified they would use the book to ruin ashley biden's life and try to influence the election. first they tried to use the diary to blackmail then-candidate biden into sitting for an interview. it worked and surprise, surprise, the diary ended up online. it didn't get that much attention at the time, but as usual the people doing trump's dirty work were caught. two people were caught with stealing the diary, have now been pleaded to conspiracy to transporting stuff stolen goods. they've been sentenced to five years. michael schmidt is covering the story with the new york times. he joins me now.

this is wild story michael. first tell us, based on the pleating, the two of individuals who pled guilty, one of these people guilty? of >> physically, they are guilty of transporting stolen property over state lines. they took property that they knew was not there's, that they had no right to, they brought it up to new york to show to project veritas, and then after project veritas agreed to purchase the diary from them, the documents put out by federal prosecutors say that these individuals went back into the home where the diary had been found to retrieve additional items that were given to project veritas. now you wonder, why did with they need additional items? project veritas was trying to authenticate the diary. they were trying to ensure that if they went ahead and made a

big deal about publishing it, that it indeed came from ashley biden. and these additional items that came out of the home which the documents say these individuals took in response to talking to project veritas, show how the criminality of the entire thing has raised questions about these additional items. why was it they went and got them? >> want to talk about that because of the fascinating part about the filing about what the project veritas exposure was. just to understand. these were ideologically motivated, they were just conservatives who happened to find the president's daughter's diary? it's really wild. >> i think they were people who are sympathetic to trump, but more importantly to them i think they were motivated by money. i think this was a way that they would make money, and that

project veritas would pay them thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of dollars. >> to that, point project veritas we have a robust first amendment in this country which is good, and documents of unknown providence can be published with unknown protections, in fact new york times and others have done that. but there are obviously lines. this is the land stands out here. employee one we assume it's project veritas, asked harrison robert core lander to return to the residents, so they could obtain and provide to the organization more of the victims belongs that harrison described earlier. employee went also repeatedly informed harrison kerr lander that he was working in consultation with and at the direction of executive at the organization. this seems like it opens up some criminal liability to project veritas. what is your take on? that >> that is exactly where the question of project veritas and the entire investigation will hinge. does the government think that

because project veritas told him to go back in and take additional items and was basically part of that scheme, because of that role should they bring charges? with the first amendment, does the first amendment protect them at all? i think what some legal experts will say that as a news organization, you can be in receipt, you can take and stolen property. the stuff that edward snowden took from the nsa was all stolen from the nsa. it's not like the nsa just donated it to edward snowden who then gave it to the press. so the question is that, if these individuals who say they were engaged in first amendment activity, they were working for project veritas directed them to do this and then claim a role legally in the scheme to illegally obtain the stolen property, would the government go ahead and try to bring charges? all we know in that area is

that the government was so interested in this question, so interested in project veritas's role, they yesterday they got a search warrant to go through the homes of its founder and two individuals who were involved in obtaining and trying to authenticate the diary. just getting a search warrant, we obviously we're learning a lot about getting search warrants, but getting a search warrant on somebody who is antagonistic to the administration and claims to be a journalist is a pretty extraordinary thing. before that, it was certainly pretty remarkable at the time. >> it's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out. to see that following michael schmidt's been following. thank you so much for coming on. still to come. it turns out helping people who need it makes them like you more. crazy. why president biden's rolling full numbers have republican

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when that is readily and repeatedly rejected by voters here, it's no wonder that republicans try to keep memory hole in their extreme positions on abortion. first two is blake masters, who ran on and specifically anti rope assertion. his website touted his 100% pro-life bona fides. he said he supported a federal person had law, that would give legislation -- nationwide criminalization of literally all abortion everywhere. last week, he scrubbed all that from his platform. doesn't exist on the website anymore, he's now trying to pass himself off as a, quote, common sense politician on abortion access. so is michigan republican tom barrack, his congressional website used to have a value section where not surprisingly he'd outed his lifelong work in the antiabortion movement, pledged to always work to protect life from conception. that section has now disappeared from his website. when the detroit news asked him about the change, he said he

didn't know about, it but quote, i'm sure we were probably updating things about the issues that were most santa right now, cost of living, inflation, those are the most concerned with. of course, when actual voters in michigan were asked by the research firm with their number one issue is right now. abortion, top of the list, main issue. natalie allison is a national reporter for politico, and she joins me now. natalie, you have been reporting on the senate races across the country. i want to talk about masters just to begin with. they all have a similar issue, which is that if you're coming from a crowded republican primary, you have to be very, very antiabortion to win the primary. but now you have that position in a time when the polling on this has shifted pretty rapidly, how are they dealing with this? >> yes, that is right, these republicans primaries were all a race to the right, not only where they're trying to win elect trump's endorsement, by

championing election fraud. but also the support of the traditional conservative base, who care about been strongly abortion. now, there are general election candidates that are on the ballot at a time when a lot of voters are realizing that a right-wing abortion, a woman's right to choose in that instance is not a given anymore. so these candidates are naturally not leading with this antiabortion rhetoric, like we saw, you mentioned blake masters, this is a candidate who during the republican primary said that abortions are demonic. as you mentioned, he supported a federal person had law. now he's changed the rhetoric on his website, he's trying to describe his views as common sense, he now says he would only support banning abortions very late in the pregnancy. that is certainly a softening of. that we've seen some life on johnson in wisconsin, who is forced to put out a very lengthy statement explaining his views, saying he does support him exceptions in the case of rape or incest.

we've seen this in other states, republicans in places like washington state or colorado putting out video or even tv ads promising that they won't support a nationwide abortion ban, -- some republicans have really been put on the defense right now. >> that's a great point. in those states like colorado and washington, we are already dealing with the state where the republican has a bit of an uphill divide battle. those are states won by joe biden, or have a kind of democratic advantage. we've seen them go out and say, i'm not i'm just not interested in that. affirmatively trying to say, don't worry about me and abortion, voters of colorado and washington state. that is not something, i think, oh what ron johnson or blake masters can pull off. they strike me is completely different situations, ron johnson has a long career as a u.s. senator, people know where he stands as on the issue of abortion. >> they're continuing to say they're pro-life. j.d. vance is another example,

during the republican primary he had the abortion -- had the endorsement of the ohio right to life. and, then last month in an interview, he was asked about his support for federal abortion. his answer was, not right now. he didn't say he would never support this. but he said, i don't think this is what we need to do right now. they're doing a really tricky dance right now, to not alienate those voters, who put them on the ballot in the republican primary, but also not to go too far for general election voters. >> just for a snapshot of the abortion support. this polling, legal in almost cases, illegal in almost cases 37%. that's from all the way back in march, those numbers may have changed quite a bit since dobbs. but i also wonder how much we've seen democrats go on the offense on this. obviously, we're not getting a ton of ad spending yet, that will mostly come in labor day. we saw the special election in

2019, in a district where biden only won by 2%, really lightweight abortion is an issue. won that race. are we seeing democratic candidates proactively trying to bring this up and go at their opponent over it? >> yes, we are absolutely seeing that. in the case of -- in colorado, the democratic incumbent he's up against put out an ad supporting that. we've seen catherine -- attacking adam laxalt on the republican side. in all these cases, these are republicans who had to come back and say, the democrats of exaggerated my position of this, let me clarify my position on this. talking about abortion at a time when the republicans don't really want to be talking about abortion, they want to focus on the economy, on inflation, on biden and things like that. >> this is the point. even if you are rebounding, or probe zooming to rebut a charge about your extremism on abortion, you are talking about abortion.

and we're talking at a time when the republican party is on the wrong side, writ large, of american public opinion in the wake of that dobbs decision. natalie allison, who's been covering all this cross-country, thank you very much. thank you very much. that is all in on this monday night, the rachel maddow show he has to break into the national archives and steal it. but it's for a good reason. it's because he has followed the string of ancient creepy totally non-plausible clues and those clues have revealed to him a big secret. the big secret is that there is a big treasure and to find the big treasure you have to follow the treasure map and the treasure map inconveniently is printed in invisible ink on