so now that governor desantis is trying to take over the school and turn it into a conservative religious college, parents and students at a new college are fighting back with everything they've got. they are organizing rallies and they're launching social media campaigns, they know what is at stake here. tomorrow, i'll begin in-depth conversation with the students and the parents of new college about this fight and what they think of governor desantis and his a war on woke. be sure to tune in. that does it for us tonight. we will see you again tomorrow, now this time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell! good evening lawrence. >> good evening alex. el>> none of us thought that the status is doing applies to private schools, right? >> exactly, exactly. >> it's all -- and of course is one child who's at school in this point it's not in a public school. >> no -- so it doesn't apply to anything or anyone that is named status. >> and they are all color where of how we try to create, effectively, two systems of education.

one for private schools, and one for the rest of the state and make that very much a second class education. >> looking forward to that report tomorrow, alex! >> thanks lawrence. >> thank you, thank you. >> some fbi field agent then argued to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump. that may be the single most astonishing sentence ever written that includes the words fbi agents, and trump. some fbi field agents then argue to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump. and what decade could that sentence possibly be written? donald trump was already the subject along with his father, and the federal civil rights investigation, by the justice department, in the 1970s! when the trump company's racist practice has brought them

dragged into court in new york by the justice department. some fbi field agents then argue to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump. i had that sentence memorized because i -- i just couldn't believe what my eyes were seeing when i read that today. in the washington post. there couldn't possibly be anyone in the fbi thinking that after 2011 when donald trump started publicly lying about barack obama's birth certificate. what fbi it whatever believe that guy? some fbi field agents to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump. that sentence appears in the middle of the washington post breakthrough reporting today under the headline, showdown before the, raid fbi aides and prosecutors argued over trump. fbi agents were inclined to believe trump after the washington post methodically chronicled 30,573 public lies

told by trump during his presidency. that doesn't include all the lies that he told about the presidential election after he left office, and all the other lies donald trump has told after he left office. those same fbi agents have heard every one of those allies and they were " inclined to believe trump." fbi agents! who were screams for aptitude in detecting truth were inclined to believe trump. fbi agents who were trained by what, at his very best, is the most sophisticated law enforcement agency on the planet! they were inclined to believe trump ... some fbi field agents then argue to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump and his team had delivered everything the government sought to protect and said the borough should

close down as a criminal investigation, according to some people familiar with the discussions. that was in june of last year, after federal prosecutor served a subpoena on donald trump for the return of all government records including classified documents that donald trump still had in his possession. on june 3rd, at mar-a-lago, in response to the subpoena -- trump lawyer erin court when gabe gave brett, chief of the encounter divisions at justice department, 38 classified records along with an affidavit signed by trump lawyer christina bobb saying that they had completed what they called, a diligence search of the trump property, and that all record subject to the subpoena were being handed over right there at that moment on that day. and that was good enough for some fbi officials. some fbi field agents then argue to prosecutors that they were inclined to believe trump and his team had delivered

everything the government sought to protect and said the borough should close down its criminal investigation. close it down on june 3rd! if those fbi agents got their way, donald trump would still have in his possession, in florida, more than 100 classified records. 18 of them top sacred, along with thousands of pages of government documents that were seized two months later with a search warrant that those same fbi agent argued against. with the fbi you have to learn to take the good with a bad. that has been true every day of the 150-year history of the federal bureau of investigation. our fbi director jared hoover who ran at the fbi for 48 years. the fbi did some excellent work, and it did some truly evil work at the very same time.

there is no more bile episode in the history of law enforcement and what jay edmund hoover try to do to the reverend doctorate martin luther king junior. there's always been, smart at the idea, brave fbi agents, and have always been that fbi agents. and the boston field office fbi agent john connally, from south boston, was the first praise for his ability to obtain useful intelligence on some of the gangsters who grew up in the same south boston aber who that john karlyn did. if you knew john connally as i briefly said when he was thought to be a honest fbi agent you can never regard the fbi with blind admiration. john connolly maybe watching the this right now after being released at age 80 having our time for his deep criminal involvement with boston's whitey bulger, including in the

conspiracy to murder. the good with the bat. you have to learn to do that. you have to take the good with a bad with the fbi. as you do with any other law enforcement agents. today's breakthrough reporting by the washington post is a story of a good and the bad. nothing is bad as john connolly but it is a story that includes the concept that fbi agents were inclined to believe trump. i'm not inclined to believe that. i do believe that is what was presented to the washington post reporters, but i refuse to believe there were any fbi agent who were inclined to believe trump. john edgar hoover. -- they couldn't possibly be that stupid, but they could be corrupt. they could be trying to go easy on donald trump because they like him. just that human element of it.

they could be trying to go easy on donald trump because they are republicans. but it simply could not be that they were inclined to go easy on trump because they were inclined to believe that is impossible! the washington post reports that fbi agents in the washington field office had sought to slow the probe, slow the probe. this is a story of the fbi agents trying to slow down prosecutors. exactly opposite of what you are used to seeing on tv and then a movie is where the prosecutors are always slowing down those over eager police investigators. well fbi agents were trying to slow down the investigation of donald illegal possession of government documents, merrick garland was publicly repeating the notion that no one is above the law. some fbi agents did not believe that, according to the washington post reporting. some inside the probe argued the infighting delayed the

surge by montes, ultimately reducing the time prosecutors had to reach a decision on possible charges. here's carolina, one of the reporters on the washington post tory: >> we discover that the prosecutors believe they were very close to the end, close to charging a decision when donald trump announced, on november 15th, that he would run for reelection three days later, merrick garland, attorney general summons prosecutors and investigators on that team to his office, to let them know that he was going to appoint a special counsel and encourage them to consider joining the special counsel's team. so, basically, work was fractions away, guards away, from being completed. i think that is pretty important that now, jack smith, who one of his first actions was the one that prosecutors still hadn't tidied up at the end of their probe, and that was getting the lawyer for

donald trump, evan cochrane, corcoran, forget, me inside a grand jury, to answer of what did your client tell you to do? and where did he tell you to surge when you said all classified records at mar-a-lago had been returned. because obviously, that was not the truth. and that's the heart of this. >> a month after prosecutor jay brad went to florida to be handed those 38 classified documents, he wanted to obtained a search warrant to search the trump property. but -- prosecutors going fbi agents were still loathed to conduct a surprise search. they are from top fbi officials that some agents were simply afraid: they were we taking aggressive steps investigating trump could blemish or even and their careers. jay brat and other top justice department officials took the unprecedented step of going to fbi headquarters to present them where a draft search warrant. quote " stephen m d'antuono,

then the head of the fbi washington field office which was running the investigation was adamant the fbi should not do a surprise search ... he repeatedly urged that the fbi instead seek to persuade corcoran to agree to a consensual search of the property. tempers run high in the meeting. brockway says voice at times and stress to the fbi agents that the time for us and trump and his lawyer was over ... donald asked if trump was officially the subject of the criminal investigation. what does that matter, brett replied. brett said the motive was in fact was that highly sensitive government records probably remained at mar-a-lago and could be destroyed or spirited away if the fbi's and not recovered them soon ... you haven't swayed me, d'antuono replied. luckily for america, jay brat won and on august 5th a search warrant was served and day brad

was vindicated by collecting over 100 classified records, 18 of them top sacred along with thousands of more pages of government documents and the washington post says the documents quote " ... about highly restrictive special access probes that require camera level sign of even for officials with opposite records to review. documents ascribed iran's missile program and records related to highly sensitive intelligence aimed at china." even with stephen d'antonio, the fbi official that reported to the washington post was the largest roadblock in conducting the investigation. that is the good of the bad. d'antuono and some fellow fbi officials complained how bad it would look for agents with " fbi " emblazoned on their jack's to invade a former presidents home. he was right about that. and that worry is what led to the fbi decision to dress in

conspicuously and white polo shirts and khaki's when they serve that search warrant. it may seem like a small point, but it was a good result of that argument. and because they were not conspicuously marked as fbi agents, the news media did not catch on. we discovered that the fbi served a search warrant on donald trump only won donald trump himself decided to make that public at the end of that day. we do not find out, because there were a bunch of guys in marked " fbi " jackets on the property. stephen that's on us obstructionism in the investigation as reported by the washington post, if accurate, may have saved donald trump from facing criminal charges last september or october. steven d'antonio resigned from the fbi in december of last year, as of tonight, we do not know how many fbi field agents

are still working at the fbi, who are still inclined to believe trump." leading of discussion tonight, andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and former chief of the criminal division in the eastern district of new york. he's professor of practice at the nyu law school. also with us, neal katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general, they are both msnbc legal analyst. and andrew, this story is so wide ranging and so deep into your strike zone that i just want to open the microphone to you, i have been waiting all day to hear your reaction to what you read in the wasn't post account. >> well, you know, i have to work at the fbi as a general counsel, and i've also been an assistant guy to its attorney in the field, and the main justice. so i've been on both sides of these kinds of debates and i think the first thing for people to understand is if the reporting was only about a

dispute within a team of agents and attorneys about, should you use a search warrant? should you use a subpoena? should you go by consent burst and try to get consent to do a search, versus court authorizations for a warrant? that would not strike me as inappropriate or unusual. those things happen all the time, and frankly, you want them to happen. you want to have that free flowing debate. the problem here is that that is not the full extent of this article. and i think, lawrence, you hit the key thing that is problematic -- which is that in june, the fbi was willing to just take on face value the declaration they got -- christina bobb and evan corcoran -- that's of the we were turned everything. it despite of the whole history, and then ultimately the surveillance tape that show that that wasn't the case.

and that is remarkable, and as you said, i think this is and neil will bear this out, a little second piece of this unusual; is just not usually the case that the fbi is the one that is being cautious in saying, let's not do something. and of all people, national security division and this particular group within that national security advisor and has a reputation for being fairly cautious within main justice. i've always had that view that i would've expected them to be the break on the fbi wanting to do more. and then the final piece is that the main agent who was sort of leading the charge, saying that he's not convinced. it was the head of the washington field office who since retired. he is the same fellow who said about the january 6th events that the fbi had no evidence, at all, that they have any sort of warning of potential

violence on that day. that's just simply not true! that is what makes you really concerned that if one of two things that are going on, potentially if both things -- which is fear, and the other is politics -- that is not how anybody at the justice department, up to and including the fbi, is supposed to behave. of course! so you wonder that, trump whether he by constantly attacking people, people who are worried about the career, and he did manage to politicize agencies that -- you know, neil and i spent our careers working at. it's really heartbreaking to see that, and especially with the fbi where the fbi was so proud of being completely apolitical in a political town. so this reporting, to me, was really heartbreaking thinking about the borough and all of

the many, many wonderful people who work there. >> neal katyal, as a justice department veteran, i only imagine that there were some heartbreak involved for you reading this tonight too. >> yeah, i mean donald trump acts as though he's above the law, lawrence, because investigators and prosecutors continue to treat him that way. in my mind, the only way to correct this a law with behavior, is to hold on to the same standard as every other american. that is why i found a story today so heartbreaking. i mean -- lawrence, if the fbi had a video of any other suspect moving boxes out of a room where they suspected classified documents, and where those documents had been -- you know, requested and moving of these boxes is happening ... agents would be tripping all over themselves to get down the guys door and searches house! both donald trump, suddenly they get cold feet. you know, andrew is absolutely right -- generally robust

debate between prosecutors and agents in complex searches. but usually the other way, it's the agents who are aggressive, and is the prosecutor saying, hey! wait a minute! here things were flipped. the question is why? and i think there's three possible explanations. one -- it's a nefarious one that the fbi has some maga trump's, people who are politicized in the like, and they want to protect trump. second is -- prosecutors, prosecutors here were very upset that trump appeared to be lying to them. agents cared about this too, but i think for prosecutors in particular, when they feel that a suspect or a target, or a subject is a lying, then they have more of an inclination to throw the book at them. and then the third is the one that andrew points to, which is kind of -- basically ... it is that we're worried about trump's megaphone and his worried is to lie about the search in the lie. and that is the most heartbreaking, in many ways, because the f in fbi shouldn't

be careful. and we have a big problem if the federal mask is are too scared to investigate because they are worried that donald trump is going to cry and wine on his social media, and the likes. so to, me i think all three of these things. and i think andrew's final point about the fbi field office in d.c. is an important one. the fbi probably dropped the ball on january six -- that the january six report found that the fbi knew about a lot of the stuff and did not connect the dots. you know, the washington field office i'm sure is part of them, said to chris way, to make unforgivable. that this has not been investigated, and that chris wray himself hasn't ordered a top to bottom review on what happened on january 6th. so -- you know, fbi my mind right now is not looking like the andrew weissmann fbi. >> we all knew about this investigation at the same moment. it was basically when donald trump told us on the day of the

serving of the search warrants at his home on august 8th, i believe it was. and andrew, i remember in our first few weeks of discussing this, as i began to emerge that how long the government had been pursuing these documents that they had been pursuing them for a year and a half -- [coughs] we start to wonder why they move so slowly. why did it take them a year and a half to get to this point? one now we know why some of those months were eaten up along the way. and i do recall, before there was a special prosecutor in this, where day brad was basically the top justice department official whose name we would see on the legal filings in the case. that you shared some kind -- concern publicly here, jay brought experience for this kind of case because mostly what they do involves -- tends to involve a collective cooperation of these kinds of documents when they stumble upon these situations for various reasons, and that day brad is not who you'd expect to

be the hard charging prosecutor. now you look at the jay brought character in the story today, in that conference room, at the fbi, raising his voice, pushing this -- he's the guy that we now discover is pushing this faster and harder than anyone! >> yeah! so i agree if you look at this, it's just remarkable to me that this is just not the norm that you would normally have -- and you would have the national security division saying, let's slow down. it is worth noting that one of the things that happens here, just to give the fbi it's do, is that when this got to the deputy director, paul abate, he greenlight it and said we are going to do exactly what they justice department wants. so when i got to that very senior officials, this one forward. i do agree that day brad in this story looks like he's doing the responsible thing,

and it came up with the sort of initial compromise of doing it by subpoena, and then seeking a search warrant. and then really pushing the fbi to do the right thing. i just want to go back there to something that neil said because i do think that there is a larger picture here which is, as important as a trump investigation is, they issue of the lack of accountability of the fbi in terms of what they were doing on january six, and how it responded. chris wray's abject failure to do that, and to be clear, it chris wray's ultimate responsibility. but you know, he reports the deputy general, the attorney general, so they have authority here as well. again, one of the questions is; knowing that the head of the washington field office is denying something that is probably not the case -- probably not the case, in that the fbi knew there's a violence

of january six -- why was this fellow, the person in the room, on the trump investigation? this would not, to me, that is not who i would be assigning to this matter because there's a lack of sort of trustworthy -ness, and there's all sorts of reasons why the fbi may been asleep at the switch on january six. it goes to a lot of the things that -- you know, outlined so cogently of what could be going on. so this really just a larger picture here about the fbi's behavior on this case, and on a larger case. >> so neil, document gets appointed a special prosecutor, special counsel in this case. i would have to assume that's one of his first discussions's with j brat, and early in those discussions, i would expect jay brat to lay out who, by name, has been helpful in this investigation, and who by name has been wronged. which special agents were

saying in may, no we don't need a search warrant, let's not do that. uhm--wouldn't that be something that jacks mitt would be owed on day one so that he could have the right people in place? >> yes, i think so lawrence, battle on a go so far. it is possible that people just make the wrong judgment call. that can happen. and you know, so i don't want to necessarily tar any individual agent who might have thought, you know, something else for some raisins that maybe we don't know about yet. but i think that the kind of bigger picture here is at least that this leader of the field office, made a grossly wrong call. and andrew is absolutely right! the idea that you put that guy in charge of the investigation? i mean what's next for the fbi? they already botched the mechanical russian spy investigation, and they're gonna put in a charge of the investigations in the future? i mean who knows! it's a real serious problem for the fbi right now.

>> neil katyal and andrew weizmann, thank you both very much for leading off our discussion on this important night. really appreciate it! >> thank you. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> coming up, today, former vice president of australia says robert murdaugh has made more damage to democracy than any other person alive today. we'll have more on rupert murdoch's lies as was revealed by the lawsuit next with chiles blow. ♪ ♪ ♪ blow ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee. ♪♪ allergies don't have to be scary. (screaming)

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minister of reproductive home country of australia tweeted today, murdaugh has been more damaged american democracy than any other person alive today. robert murdoch has made many coconspirators of american democracy attack, going the most hysterical lyre he has ever employed in his fox primetime lineup, took a carlson, who like murdaugh has

been exposed in legal filings by the dominion corporation as privately not believing any of donald trump's lies about the election, while he and rupert murdoch did everything he could to support an advance those lies. when paul ryan was a republican speaker of the house, he did everything he could to support donald trump's lies, and to support donald trump's agenda in the house of representatives. paul ryan would like everyone to forget that very dark chapter of his life even though that chapter continues in an even darker space of the boardroom of fox. where paul ryan served as a member of the board. paul ryan ties to publicly present himself as an anti trump republican now. but as a dominion filing shows, there was no limit to the lies rupert murdoch and tucker carlson, and the gang, push for donald trump as far as paul ryan was concerned.

charlie sykes asked paul ryan about that. >> is there a red line for you at any point where you say you cannot be associate with a company that does this? >> i want to say the conservative movement get to this moment. and i think fox is a big part of the consolation of the conservative movement. >> in other words, there is absolutely no red line, no lie of any kind for paul ryan. there is nothing rupert murdoch and tucker carlson, sean hannity can do to make paul ryan refuse to continue to take rupert murdoch's money for doing nothing, which is what the dominion filing shows paul why does as a paid member of the box board. donald trump doesn't like what he is learning about what rupert murdoch and that primetime gang at fox really think about him, thanks as a mini legal filings. donald trump said this about rupert murdoch today; " he and

his group of maga hating global as a rhino to get out of the news business as possible because they are aiding and abetting the destruction of america with big news." and then you have it, the trumpian fake news concept has now gone full circle to include the place that he used to say was the only source of a real news. joining us now is charles blow, calm of the new york times, an msnbc political analyst. charles, thank you very much for joining us tonight! so, turns out from the distance of australia, former prime minister malcolm turnbull can see report murdaugh as he clearly should be seen as the single most destructive force that american democracy has ever faced or has been faced with. >> yes. and we can see it up close. right? there is insidious part of what fox news does. it is cyclical in a way, that there was an audience there, and they wanted information,

news, packaged in a way that they could accept it, right? they couldn't accept things that were shot straight as they were presented. fox saw this gap and jumped into it, and fed them more of exactly what they wanted and also amplified it. and also polished, it right? so you can have your prejudices paulus. you can have a conspiracy polished shift. you have all delivered to you by very slick professional, charismatic, anchors. so that became a money making operation to deceive people who wanted desperately to be deceived. and that is really detrimental to american democracy when you have basically you -- know, large portion, some have, some a third, of the american electorate tuned in to an

operation that is not in this operation, and their backs are against the wall, they do admit this. when they are in court, they say that this is not news. elise some of the programs on there are not new. but people believe that it is news. because it delivers a nugget or two that something that isn't fact true. it's like putting poison on a sugar cube. you give a little bit of something that is appetizing and real, and you deliver the poison on top of it. and so fox does this very cleverly. use all sorts of tactics. we are just acting questions! and this raises a very interesting question! and they have to add on to a lot of those crazy questions about things that are probably not true. or, you have a guest on to say that say things that you cannot say and not get sued. within this case, they have stepped over that line and that's what dominion is alleging. they stepped over that line! these people are actually engaged in the lying itself and it was detrimental to the company. that is what they are being called on the carpet. >> i feel fascinating when you

get them under oath, when you get rupert murdoch under oath, and there's nowhere for him to go. he has to admit, as he has done, that's hosts endorsed the lies which is a key legal principle in the lawsuit. i mean rupert murdoch's deposition has revealed in the filing, just filled with admissions of liability, as they call it, in the civil lawsuit. he's the single worst witness against box in the case against fox. >> absolutely! but, the fox news is not going to know that! because the segment that you just laid out, and that we are discussing right now, they are not going to hear that on fox news! no one watching fox news will hear any of this reporting about what is happening behind the curtain at fox news! and that is what the prime minister is pointing out, and they are all underscoring. which is in essence, it's incredible information vacuum,

in addition to they are being deception. >> charles, as you know, any criticism of fox normally gets you a tax on fox the next day. i can promise you tucker carlson is living in fear of the words you just spoke, and will not be attacking you tomorrow night, because if he does, his audience will find out the truth about him. so, probably isn't going to happen. charles blow, thank you very much for joining us live! >> thank you lawrence. >> coming up, donald trump had to be very disappointed in today's senate judiciary hearing. -- attorney general merrick garland, sheldon whitehouse, member of the committee will join us next! s next s next ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee. >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed? safelite makes it easy. ♪ >> tech vo: you can schedule in just a few clicks. and we'll come to you with a replacement you can trust. >> man: looks great. >> tech: that's service on your time. schedule now.

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course you serve the judiciary for many years. before he became attorney general let me just ask. do you prefer to be called general garland or judge garland? >> the senators of this committee can call me anything that they want. >> i am sure we can agree that we should encourage parents to make their kids do their homework. >> yes, there is sometimes some resistance to that. >> right, right. >> to make sure they get sleep at night to make sure they could be ready for school. >> it didn't get much more substantial than that for republicans of the senate judiciary committee today. today's hearing, with the attorney general, mostly into a forum about how drug lords are pumping fentanyl into the united states. not one of the republican side

any suggestion about how to reduce the supply of illicit drugs in the united states. none of them had an explanation as to why the trump presidency failed to eliminate that problem as promised. for months, republicans had been promising to rip open the attorney general and force him to either explain, or apologize for the fbi's search of donald trump's home. while also telling them everything that he knows about hunter biden. instead, only a couple of the presidential hopefuls on the committee who are running at the absolute bottom of the republican poles. yield at rupert murdoch's soundbite machine. but no republican a spirited defense of the former hero donald trump made the case about why he should not be the subject of two investigations by a special prosecutor. appointed by merrick garland. joining us now is senator

sheldon whitehouse, democrat of rhode island he's a senate of the judiciary committee. he's a chairman of the senate budget committee. mister chairman thank you very much for joining us tonight. were you surprised that there wasn't any real outrage at all? nothing, not a word of outrage about the actual investigations. that merrick garland is supervising of donald trump. >> yeah, it was not the kind of day donald trump wanted for himself in the judiciary committee. first, he wasn't really the focus of any attention. second, the manufactured outrage of some of our republican colleagues was all devoted to other concerns. and not the investigation of donald trump. >> i just want to show one piece, as reluctant as i am, for this kind of live beating. blitz look at ted cruz moments

of trumpism in the hearing. >> as you, know the fbi raided donald trump's mar-a-lago home. subsequent to that raid there have been multiple leaks about what was discovered there including a photograph of documents that were discovered there. did you know about the leaks? >> the photograph was a filing in courts in response to a motion filed by mr. trump. it was not a leak. >> so, senator, other than the nonsense about the photograph. what was so striking to me about the very small amount of exchange about the trump situation is that ted cruz never suggested that there shouldn't have been a search warrant executed there. he was only concerned about why are there leaks in this case. >> not exactly what donald trump was looking for, i think, you know. it is a signal that a lot of

the trump magic is gone with these guys. and they're looking for other things to pursue. >> we have to squeeze in a commercial break here. when we come back i am desperately eager to ask you about what we have learned about leonard leo. and the latest reporting. this is the guy whose dark money has made the supreme court what it is. you have been the chief investigator of the dark money. please give us the patience of a commercial break and we will come right back that with senator sheldon whitehouse. eldon whitehouse ♪ ♪ get directv with a two year price guarantee. ♪3, 4♪ ♪ ♪ ♪hey♪ ♪ ♪are you ready for me♪

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operator. it describes how leo and his associates have been rich themselves, personally. as they have helped a bunch of creepy right-wing billionaires capture the supreme court. and it goes even into some of the personal connections between leo and some of the justices. the article did not mention that leo is the agent for justice thomas's book. so, if you are a billionaire who wanted to reward justice thomas for a bunch of decisions that he really like. you don't have the perfect interlock you will in the form of lettered leo, to go by warehouse fools of the book. so that massive revenues, and profits, go to justice thomas and they live in similar luxury. the whole thing is just stunning, a very good piece by politico. >> these organizations, these operation that he has, the shelves that pull in all the money. they are not accountable,

publicly, to anyone. there isn't a way for us to kind of peak in there and see what salary is he being paid or is some corporation he owns being paid from that shell. and a way that we would never know about. >> there actually is but it comes very slowly. the irs reports that are often very late. and the tools that they use are called five alwinn c threes and 501 sea force. they are two kinds of organizations that can establish under irs rules. unfortunately, the irs is basically throwing in the towel. on any kind of investigation, or enforcement into mischief accomplished by these five once he threes. and 501 sea force. so, it is an issue that really demands the enforcement of hearings on it. we have the senate finance committee. but i think they did it very good. the republicans did a very good

job of terrorizing the previous irs commissioner. which gave the temerity to look into this threats. to impeach him. to set his assistant and refer them to the department of justice as a potential criminal. i think the irs has learned that this is an issue while worth judging. and i hope to the new irs commissioner will be a little bit less spineless. >> when you compare it to the democratic approach. to the supreme court justices. the budget for that endeavor is exactly zero. there is no entity out there like this on the democratic side, is there? >> no, the number that investigators, you know, they continue to dig and files contain to come in. the latest number that investigators have as to how much was put into the court capture operation. up until the end of the trump administration. i think it was 500 and $80

million. this is a big deal. it was on top of that that the 1.6 billion dollars was given to another 501 to see for pop-up. created by leonard leo, for the specific purpose of receiving the 1.6 billion. and, obviously, that is a great retirement fund. that is made him and his friends very wealthy. it's a slush fund granted to further political mischief. it's a pretty big reward for having to help billionaires capture the supreme court. and it's used for themselves. >> what do the billionaires get from the supreme court in exchange? >> the biggest thing that they get is the ability to continue to manipulate democracy from behind dark money screens. in fact, the 6 to 3 courts with the justice barren on its, actually created the first constitutional rights to spend

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that's why i do what i do. that is tonight's last where that and the paycheck. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight, the battle behind the scenes, new reporting about the face-off between doj and the fbi over that search in mar-a-lago. all leading to the big ques