generally held that kid should not be separated from thei parents, in fact some observer say, wow it feels like i should be separated from parents. but courts generally say, no even if you are not that goo appearance, the courts generally do this. will these many bills, many of which are those that hold up because we have society believ generally speaking with very few exceptions, parents are th ones who should bring up their children >> in most of the modern american airam, and you ar right once these laws had to the supreme court, they will bounce right back like - i don't think that we are in that period anymore and i thin we have absolutely no idea wha is going to happen, and give the current composition of the court they seem to be able t find ways to make things stand that should not stand, and so wouldn't bet that this won't stand up when it comes to th supreme court. >> i want to thank you

i always appreciate you and th time you take to be with us. some are jones's an emmy antibody award winning journalist, the host of th trends last forecast straight ahead, democratic representative stacey plaskett is in the house right now. she's with me here in th studio she's going to be joining us she was a house manager for th second impeachment of donald trump. she joins me live to discuss the possibility of a crimina indictment for the forme president relates in his hus money payments for storm daniels and why there it has not been a criminal indictment for january 6th. another hour of velshi begin right now. good morning it's sunday, march 12. i'm ali velshi we begin with an important warning from the biden administration the white house has publicly announced that russian actor with direct ties to russia intelligence operations ar seeking to sow belittle unrest in moldova, a nation that wa formerly part of the -

according to john kirby -- [inaudible fomenting manufactured insurrection against - [inaudible [inaudible with the eventual goal o seeing a more russian friendly administration in the capital. russia was trying to interfere in a foreign country that should sound familiar t you. russia invaded ukraine with th goal of overthrowing the pro-western government and replacing it with a pro russia government the united states is n stranger to russian meddling i disinformation after, all russia did interfer in the 2016 election according to u.s. intelligence from there, trump won on in th most anti-democratic voice t inside the january 6th insurrection in an effort to stay in power. despite the fact that th former president's words and actions led a directly to th riot at the capitol, donal trump continues to have a lega and political accountability however, the congressman benni

thompson, the former chair o the historic january 6th committee, told me that he expects trump will one day b held to account. >> i think we will see that in due time as you know, our committee looked very seriously act ho it went on on january 6th. i found that we clearly put th onus on donald trump he was the problem he instigated. he orchestrated it >> well we'll weigh justice fo trump's role in january 6th, i appears trump might unveiled accountable for one of his other many transgressions. michael cohen, trump's forme attorney, the man who once handled his dirty work, is set to testify tomorrow before a grand jury in a years-long investigation into the storm daniels hush money payment cohen is a key witness in th case he spent more than seven hours on friday meeting with prosecutors in total

it was his 20th meeting with them we also know that donald trump has been invited to testif before a grand jury in new yor city one of his attorneys told nb news that they have, quote, no plans to meet with the manhattan district attorney' office last night, my msnbc colleague al sharpton spoke about wher things stand with the lead prosecutor >> we have an active investigation. many observed last week that the trial of the trump organization and what i woul say is the same team is workin with the same type o professionalism and rigor. i am constrained from saying anything more than that. i -- >> it doesn't matter what part you are. it doesn't matter your background what did you do what does the law say? >> joining me now is stace plaskett of the united state

-- select committee on th weaponizing -- it's a pleasure again to hav you here >> it's always good to see you welcome back from that amazing trip that he made to ukraine >> thank you, thank you. let's talk about everythin that's going on right now. there's a lot of interests you are a lawyer you know this. something feels like it's goin to happen there. it's not the thing that most people are waiting for, right? >> sure. >> stormy daniels payments interesting though they are, was in the quaint old days o maybe donald trump not following the rule of the law. >> that was the clutching your pearls >> democracy is now at stake >> exactly >> you heard a little bit of m conversation with benn thompson we are waiting for something t happen >> sure. >> where are you in the process? >> we are expecting in the nex --

much of the indictments ar going to come through. we have election interferenc in georgia there's also the special prosecutor which i think man of us have forgotten about i think that is a very solid case in terms of the instruction of justice and interfering with government, not turning those document over the espionage act was exactl the act that the warrant to ge the documents act cited. there is the january 6th wer benny thompson and my othe colleagues did a masterful job of continually pointing th crime acted on with trump from the words of his own staffers. i assume that the specia prosecutors are looking at tha as well. >> let's start with that january 6th. you were the first draft for that you were laying out the firs information. they spent a lot of time getting even more information. there are a lot of peopl watching this this morning who are asking, what's enough?

many of us would not think w would make it out of the building without being eithe fired or arrested or both if w engaged in any of this stuff lots of people have been arrested and charged wit respect to january 6th what is enough to get th organizers of this thing t face justice >> well, i think that th special prosecutor has to be very careful we are going to be indicting a former president that is not bend on before we have seen vice presidents indicted on charges rubble for them, but we haven't seen president face these kinds o charges. basically, they are attempting to overthrow the government of the united states. my assumption is that th special prosecutor is going to have to make a very strong recommendation from merric garland who is not appointed b trump to be the individual t say, yes, we are pulling the trigger. we're going to do this we also have to remember tha while they should not be a political, it is we have an election coming u in 2024. to me, that signals that you

have to get this out of th gate before the it appears t many americans that thos democrats that you are doing i for political purposes they are not going to hear it. >> let's talk about georgia. we all heard the perfect phone call, one of many the former president made that is being pursued by fan willis in georgia. it's also part of jacks mitt's rematch. where does that go that's another one where every american heard what we think o as the evidence and the proof. i understand a lot of people have to be interviewed under oath tell me about the importance o that case and whether that i easier or harder to deal with. >> as a former prosecutor, i can see arguments that the defense will make that the phone call was really suggestion of him finding vote

that were already out there no for him to fabricate votes i think we have to get corroborating evidence, no just a phone call itself, bu evidence that corroborates the intent of the president for hi to fabricate that. that includes the slate of electors that they wer attempting to bring in as well as the actions of rudy giulian and the cast of characters i his show >> you and i talked last tim about this select subcommittee that you are on an weaponization of the federal government i think we both agree that w don't want to see th weaponization of the federal government we we're not sure that the intentions of the committee were pure as snow. where are you now there ha been a little bit of time? what is the committee doing? what are you hopeful about and worried about? >> i'm exhausted i am very now in the mind fram

that this is a political stunt on the part of jim jordan an others i see the pressure that he i getting from those on the righ and from others in the republican party who want this to be benghazi 2.0 they want this to be something which can be used against th entire biden administration. for example, we are discussing twitter in the last one. i thought we had already gon through the oversigh committee. they weaponization committee looked at it the things that they were -- first of all, you have journalists who put out report that say that the email that they have viewed are in fact the smoking gun that th federal government is lookin at this. let's take that in context first of all, they admitted to us that there were hundreds of thousands of emails that the saw. they focused only on 300 o them we believe that that is out of context. second of all, they were talking about the fbi having paid twitter

fbi pays all social medi platforms because they know at different points they are goin to have to get data collection for them that is their up front payment of a fee that they know they'r going to have to meet when the get information fast fro neo-nazis, white supremacist -- >> they're not having th negotiation. >> exactly that is what jim jordan is trying to make something out of additionally, they want to tal about the federal trad commission which is looking at twitter. the federal trade commission entered a consent agreemen with twitter long before elo musk came on board the question is, why is ji jordan, why are these reporter so interested in doing the bidding of elon musk >> great >> that becomes problemati because twitter only represent 7% of individuals who ar online while the american people have so much more important issues, they want us to look at th shiny object that they have pu

in front of us rather than - >> one of the issues is last weekend at cpac the former president of the united states is running to be the president of the night states told everybody, i am your justice i'm your retribution >> i am your retribution >> that worried me what does that mean? i'm going to take care of yo using the levers of government the implication seemed clear >> exactly at the same time, members of the house of representatives republican members, ar attempting to go and visit insurrectionists in jail this is madness. our president has put out budget of the republican freedom caucus, giving us ransom note rather than puttin out their own budget >> how about the debt ceiling? >> how are we going to hold th american people hostage? this is what we need before we released you from dead and sit down and negotiate on th budget

what they did say in the budge is that they are going to roll back over $400 million o veteran health care. we can get ahead that is what the chaos - giving up the gavel to the madness. >> we all wondered in that crazy week what he was offering >> or starting with tucker carlson and others we're going to see more. >> good to see you in real lif again. >> stacey plaskett as the u.s. representative for the virgi islands. still ahead on velshi, in this post roe world, brutal abortio bans have brought many women t the brink of death five women are bringing landmark case against the stat of texas for denying them lifesaving care. plus, later in the hour, i wil speak with the californi representative adam schiff about donald trump's lates legal woes, the war in ukraine and what's next for him afte he was expelled from a top

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>> i told you about how iran's foreign minister appeared on ctv and told viewers that iran in the u.s. have reached a agreement to exchang prisoners. we're hearing from the biden administration about the matter ned price, a spokesman for the u.s. state department, has rejected that claim and said the information is untrue. in a statement, price said quote, statements from iranian officials that ideal regarding the exchange of prisoners ha been reached our another especially kula that only adds to the suffering of thei families we will try to find out more about what is going on meanwhile, in israel, hundreds of thousands of israelis too to the streets on saturday i what some are calling th biggest protest in the country's history.

a record number of demonstrators, as many as half 1 million, according to protes organizers turned out in citie across israel. they're rallying against government plans to radicall overhaul that country' judicial system. prime minister benjami netanyahu is facing throug corruption charges the demonstrations are aimed a removing power he would strip to the sherif its authority and undermin democracy. the plan that they are protesting would limit the ability of the supreme court t rule against the executive branch or strike dow legislation. it also hands over traditional appointments to israel's new hard-line government the new york times has calle the standoff one of the most serious domestic crises sinc israel's founding in 1948, warning that it could even lea to a civil war the journalist said the plan would leave netanyahu with almost absolute power. waiting for the daily beast, she warns, quote, netanyahu is

all out assault on that issu else - accord him almost tota authority over the levers of government israel doesn't have a writte constitution netanyahu is threatening t revoke some of the basic law which guarantee civil rights what many people aren't saying is that it is a so-calle reform which is inherently ant palestinian. opponents a netanyahu and hi nationalist allies want to weaken the supreme court i order to build more settlement on the palestinian land an essentially annexed the west bank israel supreme court gav palestinians a source of legal recourse, albeit a rare one. joining me now from jerusale is an independent journalist with over two decades of experience covering the israel palestinian conflict the u.s. and the middle east and human rights in sout africa good to see you. thank you for being with us. >> nice to see you, ali. >> i didn't do that entirely

justice. this is a very, very big dea to cause literally hundreds of thousands of people to go ou in the streets i've been watching this for te weeks now. i have seen protests of 10,000 people, 20,000 people, 30,00 people we are seeing numbers of 50,00 in haifa estimates 200,000 or more are in tel aviv. give me a real sense of wh this is happening. what is bringing these peopl owe? >> what is bringing thes people out is a range of things, but there is something unifyin israelis right now it's this feeling they hav that the nation that they know and that many of them have risked their lives for is abou to come to an end. the reason that is is becaus however you look at it netanyahu's so-called judicial reform actually removes th judiciary us one of the powers of state

it's subsumes it into th executive. it's important to remember tha in the israeli parliamentary system the legislature, th parliament, the knesset in hebrew, is already de fact part of the government in order to form a government, you need a module -- majority in the knesset. it would create a unitarian, authoritarian power structur with netanyahu at the top. israelis were not expectin this one of the quirks, one of th questions i hear a lot is, well, you guys just voted this guy back in november 1st what's up? the answer is that the electio was not run on the real issues the issue was democracy or autocracy. that was not presented to th israeli public while most people out on the streets are opponents of netanyahu, the fact is tha some people voted him feel pretty cheated >> what's the vote tha

israelis have which woul happen if the judiciary -- look, we talk about this in th abstraction. what happens when you weaken the judiciary? what happens when you take the judiciary's ability to rul impartially on legislation away? it remains an abstraction to most people even here in the u.s. what do these israelis out i the streets -- what do they worry about being taken away at the judicial reforms occur? >> well, i will give you a small list they worry about their incom vanishing. 30% of israelis were in one wa or another in the tech sector. the tech sector is responsible for 30% of israel's exports. israel is a small country. if these laws pass, they wil have no protection for the money in their bank account. if their employees to them what happens if they end up in front of a judge appointed b the government

what happens if the government imposes regulations? >> okay, this is straight-up w don't want authoritarianism. it takes away from the fairnes of operating in society. >> there have already been meetings here in jerusalem o organizations which have hel meetings segregated by sex that's illegal in israel women have recourse. a woman is discriminated against in the workplace there are currently laws which forbid that. she has recourse there is no guarantee that would exist. you mentioned minority citizen in the state of israel that is very serious in the second wave of thes laws, there are parties who ar voted for by majorities of arabs, right non-jews are a little over 20% of the population. there are certain parties whic gain more of their vote.

these parties could very likel be made illegal. where do you go? you can't turn to the courts t say, sure, we have a right t vote for these parties there is no recourse >> given all of the renewe violence going on betwee palestinians and israelis an in the west bank - another battalion has gone int the west bank. the mass protests in israel an the violence in israel - are they related >> they are. they are related on severa levels on one hand, they are relate simply because the mos extremist non democratic theocratic ministers i netanyahu's government are als the ministers who believe that israel is in fact not occupyin the west bank as the law states israel is the de facto ruler sovereign is the term they like

of course, that is causing violence and unrest, terribl anxiety among palestinians in addition, what you mentione at the opening - in other words, palestinians who barely have civil rights t begin with have been able to use israeli courts for recourse that is one of the aspects o judicial review which is being threatened by those same ministers. >> noga i really are, -- your analysis and clarity as really helped our viewers. noga tarnopolsky he's an independent journalist joining us from jerusalem. the fall of roe v. wade has hi women across the nation hard especially in texas. five women whose lives hav been bravely endangered by the new laws are taking matter into their own hands

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second trimester of pregnanc as she and her husband are preparing for the rival of a baby girl, they've girl they hoped and prayed for through 1 ruling months of fertility treatment. they were absolutely thrille to start a life or the new baby one day in august, after amand finisher guest list for he baby shower, she started experiencing some unexpected symptoms after being examined, amanda's option - informed her that she ha dilated prematurely due to a condition called cervica insufficiency. her water broke early. doctors told her she would los her baby a devastating but unavoidabl truth. next question became what coul be done to ensure a respectful passing of their baby girl and what could protect amanda from a deadly infection now that he body was an extremel vulnerable state because she lives in texas trapped by the states curren antiabortion legislation, just two days after roe v. wade was overturned, she was told the doctors must wait to intervene until the baby's heart stopped beating or wait until amanda

became so sick that the ethics sport at the hospital coul deem her life at risk. this was happening despite the fact that the doctors knew wit complete certainty that th baby was not going to live through the pregnancy that amanda had lost all of the amniotic fluid that wa required to keep the bab alive. after three days of waiting, amanda one from bein physically healthy t developing sepsis in a matte of minutes substance is a condition where bacteria and the blood develop into an infection that can kil you fast amanda spent the following three days in the icu where he family rushed to her side, unsure of whether she' survive. she couldn't get the healt care she needed until her bloo was literally poisoned listen to what amanda said herself earlier this week abou the future looks like for he and other texans >> i needed an abortion to protect my life and to protect the lives of my future babie that i dream and i hope i ca still have some day. two things i know for sure

the preventable harm inflicted on me will medically make it harder than it already was for me to get pregnant again i made it one of the first who was affected by the overturnin of roe in texas but i' certainly not the last more people have been and will continue to be harmed unti what we do something about it. >> until we do something about it amanda's doing something about it she and for a woman who tonigh abortions even when pregnanc endangered their lives are suing the state of texas ove its abortion ban according to the associate press quoted the group wants clarification of the law which they say is written vaguely an has made medical professionals wary of facing liability if th state does not consider th situation a medical emergency. joining me now is nancy nort america, president ceo of th center for reproductive rights and, organizational writin legal representation for these women. nancy, good to see you nancy, you know have talke about this for a year almost now. this thing that was an obstruction to some people has become real. women all over this country,

and abortion providers all ove this country told me one thing you either have medica professionals dealing with thi or you have legislatures generally speaking, th legislature sent a medical professionals and this is wher the rubber hits the road >> absolutely. i think your viewers listening to amanda's story can just imagine themselves or they may have had the experience of a pregnancy complication or friend or a loved one or a family member. things do go wrong and pregnancies. this happened to amanda. the idea that when she presented to a doctor at the hospital, that they told her t go home and wait until she had sepsis no one should have to be a death's door before they get health care and what thi lawsuit makes clear is abortion's health care we cannot go on with the situation that we have not jus in texas but it doesn't other state have banned abortion others have early abortion limitations. all of it is causing absolutel

health care crisis >> let's talk about the tw possibilities here whether they're related an whether your lawsuit tha you've helped put together whether they're lawsuits which you've held support the men. addresses both of them there is the case th commandoes where a woman understands her pregnancy need to terminate them and th mechanism, the legal mechanism to get this done is preventing the medical mechanism from getting it done. there is an option - having trouble the pregnancies were fearful that if their pregnancy is fails that they will be prosecuted and held to account. are both addressed by this lawsuit or are these two separate issues? >> with the lawsuit addresse is that the court has to mak clear that under the texas abortion ban that doctors can use their pas medical judgment there experience their discretion. what they are trained in parts to do. in treating their patients they're good faith medical judgment is what prevails.

whatever patient is in front o them, rather than worry about prosecutor behind their back they can know that if they'r exercising, they're good faith medical judgment they are not gonna b prosecuted under the texas statute. that is what we're asking fo the court to make clear. they can go ahead, if abortion is the standard of care fo what's presenting in front o them they don't have to tell patient, as amanda was told, t wait or the other plaintiffs i the case the other four men were told t leave the state of texas in their pregnancy complications. >> we've just told the one story of amanda. but there are all a fascinatin and they're exactly the horror that we thought. this is where nancy this is move from -- not being so big on abortion into what i call handmaid' tale stuff this is where this actually ha taken on new meaning there may been people a year ago who thought i -- asked by pollster, i don't favor abortion rights.

now you're in a world wher they're going to criminalize women, women will die or women will not get the health care that they need to prevent them from dying >> it is dangerous to be pregnant in any state that ban abortion if you have a pregnanc complication, you cannot get the care that you need which was amanda's case. or you're forced to leave th state and that is not a good thing to do when you're in the middle of a pregnanc complication not to mention that everyone has the means to do that it makes it really clear tha pregnancy is in danger in an state that has an abortion ban at like texas. and yes, in our complaint, which is 91 pages long, we not only detail the stories of the five women who come forward to texas. we also put in these stories o other people in texas. and in other states. louisiana, alabama, florida, ohio, and more they're having the sam

situation. >> some of the states or treating abortion bans a littl bit incidentally, they're no copycats of other places they're doing that stuff texas really leans into this texas was first of this in the last year. what - how do you evaluate the odds here how do you handicapped thi case >> look, we have said that the texas courts who are - this in state court in texas this is what the statute actually should be interpreted to say they need to make that clear at the legislature hasn't made it clear. the texas medical board ha made it clear. if they don't read the legislation that way, it's guaranteed under the texas constitution yes, the supreme court t reverse roe v. wade. it's interpretation, wrong about the federal constitution we all have constitutional rights in our own states in texas guarantees the righ to life of these women the right to life. in the right to a quality. and the right to be free fro sex discrimination in all of these things mea that they are entitled under

the texas constitution to be able to get medical care and that their doctors cannot be conflicted between worryin about prosecution and taking care of their patient which is what the doctor is charged t do >> nancy, good to see you, thank you for joining us for this nancy northam is the president of the c - nearly 4 million people across california under flood alert after the state was hit with flooding, mudslides, and power outages. monterrey county, a leve failure. we're gonna head to florid next you can save up to $150 a year on your energy bill? how? the lower the temp, the lower your bill. tide cleans great in cold and saves money? i am so in. save $150 when you turn to cold with tide. introducing new sweet and savory crepes. for a limited time, buy one, get one free. with five flavors that are delicious any time of day. only from ihop. download the app and earn free food with every order.

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flooding homes and farms more than 8500 people countr wide were told to evacuate their homes shortly after th levee broke after midnight meanwhile, roughly 4 million californians are currently under flood alerts according to state officials to people have died as a resul of that severe weather and mor torrential rainfall could be o the way. for more of this catastrophe i'm joined by nbc scott cohn who lived -- live in california ascot, officials are calling the flooding where you are uncontrolled what's the latest where you are? >> it's actually, ali, getting worse. the water is getting higher. that stands to reason becaus we have a whole lot of water that's coming down from th higher elevations into pajar and now, as you said, there' 120 foot gap in the levee that supposed to protect this town. and so the water is coming up. to make matters worse, there i yet another atmospheric rive forecast to come through here. probably sometime monday int

tuesday. people are not gonna be gettin back into their homes anytim soon it's important to note tha this is not a well to do community by any stretch this is a lot of farmworkers here a lot of recent immigrants they can't afford to be out of their homes. this is gonna be a difficult time for some time to come to give you a bit of history here the levee that protects -- is supposed to protect thi down from the power -- pajaro river, it was both in the 1940s that they've bee trying to get upgraded and fixed since the 1950s. the issue is that the formul that the army corps of engineers uses that does not prioritize a low incom communities like this. it's based on property value or it was until recently now, they have money in th federal infrastructure bill to finally fix the levees but tha is a ten-year project. they won't get started on that for another two years. some difficult times in pajaro the good news, according t moderate county sheriff team this time, nobody has been

injured or killed. the last sentence place floode 1995, two people died. ali. >> scott, thanks very much scott cohn live in california. donald trump is still mullin whether to extend invitation from the manhattan distric attorney to testify before a grand jury gonna discuss that a much more with a member of congress who' looked into donald trump's previous runs doings as much a anyone representative adam schiff joins me live. congressman schiff is from his head into the race to be california's next senator. now we know at least one candidate running to replace him in the house, the former child actor, ben savidge for the popular night sitcom boy meets world is running for schiff's old seat of the 30t this week in los angeles this isn't savages first political bid. he ran for a spot of wes hollywood council in 2022. but heos lt. i guess we'll find next year whether boy meets congress try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite.

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he's a senior member of th house judiciary committee. he's a former member of th january six committee. he was the lead impeachmen manager during president donal trump's first impeachment in 2020 he's been a leading voic against -- leading police on a lot of things i want to produc representative schiff. good to see you, thanks fo being with us this morning >> good to see you we got a lot to get through. the first is that we are waiting to hear about what's happening with this manhatta grand jury investigation we know that michael cohen i going to speak to the gran jury tomorrow. he's been with the manhattan d many times people wonder whether somethin will happen. it's not the issue tha everybody is waiting to se drop with respect to donal trump. they're more interested in the january six stuff. the georgia election conversations. maybe even the documents what's your sense where we are in the accountability of donal trump? >> first of all, in light here

last story, i want to send m thoughts out to my forme californians who are - one of a sure they get all the help they need to rebuild. in terms of where we are i holding donald trump and his enablers accountable, i thin you're absolutely right. this hush money scheme i important but the most important is his role in tryin to stop the transfer of powe and the violent insurrection i a multiple wised - to overturn our election i take my hat off to the manhattan da finally fro moving on what he's moving on. it does beg the question of wh the justice department never moved on this. they prosecuted michael cohe in a scheme that the indictmen says involved an individua number one who coordinated and directed to hush money scheme. you know mike -- for his role in that so what's the argument that th guy who directs the coordinate the scheme gets a pass manhattan goes forward, it wil be the question why the justic

department didn't and th broader question is why has th justice department taken s long with respect to january 6th. why was congress able to mov with more speed and more thoroughness in terms of investigating the former presidents misconduct. i hope we're gonna see som changes there. it does look like the specia counsel in the generously from assignation is nearing the end of that investigation, at leas judging by the high-leve witnesses he's trying to bring in they were very slow to get t this point >> i guess there are differences in an impeachmen procedure in in the january 6t committee and in the way evidence is gathered and cross examinations the generous committee to do a lot of work on this. the impeachment did do a lot o work on this i guess the number of people are saying we are simply don't want this to feel politica because donald trump makes everything political all the time the clock is ticking donald trump is at the momen the presidential candidate

donald trump still has a lot o supporters last week, he declared himself everyone's justice and retribution whatever tha means. >> you're absolutely right it's a different process in th congress generally a, process is so muc slower than the justic department for example, when we try t enforce our subpoenas to bring in witnesses in the january si investigation, we couldn't enforce them ourselves we had to go the justice department to enforce them before us. they only proceeded with a two of the four we referred. when you basically tell th justice department as oppose to congress you are not showin up, you're going to jail they can enforce subpoenas wit much greater speed and effectiveness -- the differences between th congress and the justice department they should be able to move lot faster than us again, we'll see where tha takes this now i do think that we ought to be

learning fairly soon wit physicians they're making. you're right, they need to avoid any political perception to the maximum degree possible if they give a kind of defec to immunity to the forme president because they want to even avoid any appearance of impropriety. then they are being political. they're giving the president a pass they're not following what the attorney general promised at the outset of the investigatio which is that they would follo the evidence wherever it leads the evidence has led to donald trump. >> what do you think is likely to happen. where is this justice likely t come from the most i know we're watching chec smith and watching with th attorney general does. there is completely separate investigation going on i georgia. we're getting drabs -- indictments. maybe recommended for some people is that going to be meaningful >> i think torture could b very meaningful. georgia district attorney has lot of guts. has a lot of courage and moved, i, think with ver

thorough investigation i chose to conduct the january six hearing around georgia brought in brad raffensperger' to testify and others. because to me, in that case, that line of effort to overtur the election where you had donald trump on the phone with the secretary of state demanding 11,000 votes tha don't exist. that fraud claims that is an attorney general had told hi were bs. you don't have to wonder wha did the president know and whe he knew know it. he's on the phone. you can hear his voice that's very powerful and damning evidence we'll see what the grand jur floor person in th investigative group ship - whether that was correct o not. i would hope that the new gran jury, criminal grand jury, would be able to use some -- the evidence presented and not have to repeat all that work

so that we can get to justic because as we know, ultimately when justice is denied for too long, when it's delayed for to long, events of being denied >> what about what happene last weekend donald trump had said in 2016, i declared i am your voice today, i add i am your warrior i am your justice and for thos who have been wronged an betrayed, i am you retribution. this is the guy's is a lot outlandish things a lot of the time most of us have gotten used to it this one stood out to me a reminiscent of things people said - things that mussolini said whe he described himself as th avenger. >> trump has always kind o modeled himself after utte autocrats. he didn't invent the attack on the press as the enemy the people but he gave i extraordinary amplification an then he was imitated by othe autocrats. this is also donald trump doin what he does best.

sadly, tragically, that is pla the victim in appeal to people sense of victimhood. this person who was born rich, born with every advantage is nonetheless seeming to claim invariably that he's the biggest victim, victim of th government, a victim o everybody else, victim o imagined wrongs committe against him. he is trying to appeal t others who also feel a sense o agreement. others that he's trying to appeal to, many are struggling around the country and feeling great economic hardship we need to meet that economi hardship having an autocrat like donald trump is certainly not the answer >> senator schiff, good to see you as always, thank you for the -- democratic representative adam schiff of california the decision for me. velshi is back next week whe our new time slot firm t medium - if you miss anything over th

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