know we have opt out >> but also leading by example that is exactly what you did right? because you had the privileg to lead by example for those that are coming up behind you, then seeing that you are abl to ask for that and succeeding maybe they can as well thank you so much, it is a really important conversation, jessica kriegel, we appreciate your voice on this that wraps it up for me, everybody, i am yasmin vossoughian, i will be back in the chair next saturday an sunday at 2 pm eastern right here on msnbc. simon starts right now >> hello, i am melissa murra and for symone sanders townsend this hour on symone mike pence slams former president trump i his sharpest public criticis yet. we have the latest on what the former vp said about trump's endangering his family and others on january 6th. and what it means for the 2024 presidential race as trump heads to iowa tomorrow

plus, the new abortion bil case that is setting up alar bells and we will fill you i on a texas wrongful deat lawsuit that could have chilling effect on anyon accessing abortion care in the lone star state. and former texas state senator wendy davis who famously filibustered an anti-abortio bill on the floor of the texas capital will join me to explai where the fight for abortion rights goes next and later, and our serie celebrating her story, simon said sounded the legendary misty copeland, the first blac woman to become principa dancer at the american balle theater. how misty copeland changed the face of l.a. and opened door for other dancers of color you are watching some orange and we have a lot to tal about.

what did former president trum -- mostly defenders is one of his most biting critics. according to the associate press, former vice president mike pence ripped into his former boss at what is typically a lighthearted event the great iron dinner hailed last night in washington d.c.. these were pence's harshes public comments yet on trump's role in the january 6th capito riot and the efforts to overturn th 2020 election. pence reportedly said presiden trump was wrong. i had no right to overturn the election and his reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the capitol that day. i know history will hold donal trump accountable. pence's comments come just before trump is expected to hi the campaign trail in iowa tomorrow becoming the latest in a sle of confirmed and potential presidential candidates to descend on the hawkeye state but even with trump's focus on the 2024 campaign, questions surrounding his 2016 campaig not only still haunt him, they

are possibly at an inflectio point. because while donald trump i in iowa tomorrow, his former fixer, michael cohen, will b testifying as a key witnes before the manhattan grand jury in a case that involves an alleged hush money payment t adult film star stormy daniels and according to two of trump' attorneys, manhattan distric attorney alvin bragg has als invited trump to appear before that grand jury. the former president's attorneys say that they have not been told to expec indictment, and it's unclear i trump will accept the da's invitation to testify. but if indicted, trump would b the first former president t face criminal charges. bragg and his office hav repeatedly declined to comment except to say that this is a active investigation but the spokesperson for trump-like into th investigation into a witch hunt and in recent comments at th conservative political actio conference, trump said eve indictment would not keep hi from running

joining us from des moines iowa, with more is nbc new senior national politics reporter, john allen so, john, what are you going t be watching for during trump's whistle stop tomorrow in iow given that the 2024 race i already picking up steam there >> yeah, we know that trump is going to roll out an education plank of his platform. but in addition to that, i a going to watch very closely to see what donald trump says about ron desantis, the florid governor who is here in iowa just on friday, went to tw events that he held in davenport and des moines one of the things that desanti did was take sort of a doubl shot at both trump and biden over the response to covid-19, which, of course, has to spend both of their administrations. interesting to see how directl trump addresses desantis, an whether trump decides to d what has been doing othe recent events. which is to spend some tim mingling in the crowd to reall get that personal retail touch desantis spent about half an hour after each of his speeche

on friday talking about voters and signing copies of his book for them >> everyone knows that donal trump is a retail politician power excellence, but most retail politicians don't hav the potential -- looming over them. so how does this potential indictment as well as the shar criticism from mike pence shap the political landscape on the ground for trump as he tours iowa, are rural republican talking with these developments? >> you have to put in th broader category of iran republicans, wilkins across th country being worried abou whether donald trump can win a general election they watch him lose in 2020. and anything that suggests tha he wouldn't be able to win i 2024 hearts and with primary voters they are looking for somebod who can beat joe biden so the possibility of an indictment of trump said h would win, anyways certainly nothing would constitute preventing him from runnin defended nothing grandsons running if knitted. so he can continue to run. but he does that have that political risk that voters wil look at him as even more damag

heading into 2024 than he wa in 2020, as far as pence goes think there is an importan context to what he said. he said history will hold trum accountable. he said that at a time when he is trying to block a subpoen for his testimony on january six. so there is a part of that where he is setting up a construct -- history will hold long-ter accountable, even though right now mike pence has the ability to hold on to recount-able doe not doing so so hickory is creating, you, know an excuse structure for that >> well, former president trum is going to be in davenport, iowa, delivering remarks o what he is calling his america first education policy this is after rhonda sanders made education policy a to agenda item in the state o florida. and something that he also emphasized in visits to iowa and nevada does trump's focus on educatio in iowa. is that a sign that he see desantis as his principa threat in the republican primary? >> you know, not only does donald trump see desantis as

the principal threat but i think everybody in the republican party looks at that now that way, you have to se the polling to see tha desantis's distinguished himself as the clear alternative to trump at this point. it is still very early in th process. and that can change. desantis is touring. and maybe he has trouble wit the retail politics once h gets out into other states once people start looking, you know, more on his record education is a big issue her in iowa. the governor can kim reynold pushed her plan for you know basically universal school choice as she calls it and iowa and it helped her wi legislative seats. she was able to get that through, so i think both trump and desantis understand it is top issue for voters here. >> thanks so much for that on the ground perspective, john, have a great time there in iowa now, my political panel join me with keith boykin who is former clinton white house aide, and the author of race against time the politics of a darkenin america. also with us as susan del for,

co a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst, welcome to both of you let's start with you, susan, let's just say that donald trump does become the firs former president to ever b indicted would you expect that hi opponents would use this against him in the primary hunt? or have the cries that this is a witch hunt over the years, make this a dead end for primary voters >> it depends which primar voters we are talking about. donald trump as we know has pretty solid base of 35% and that will certainly get hi through a primary affair is, you, know ten candidates running. what i am looking to see is if the former president i indicted, what happens in th general election head to hea poll with joe biden. i actually think that is something that would sto donald trump from writin running if it seemed like he would definitely lose, you know, by double digits if those numbers start comin out, not only will it affect

primary voters full effect donald trump because he does not want to lose >> keith, keeping that in mind mike pence has said that i will be history that hol donald trump accountable but how does that square wit republicans who have refused t hold trump accountable and jus want to move on with this? how are they going to make thi an issue on the ground in iowa going forward? >> well i think that is a good question listen, i am not sure they hav an answer for that because eve mike pence when he finally chose to speak about this at the gridiron dinner, he did so in a forum that was off camera and ignore the fact that h himself has the ability to d something to hold donald trump accountable. he can testify, he can answe the subpoenas. instead of fighting it to th supreme court. which he is currently intent o doing. so i think there is a grea deal of hypocrisy and cowardic on the part of mike pence to make this sort of halfhearte statement condemning donal trump for something we'll know he did if the republicans are serious about holding donald trump accountable than they have t

be forceful about it they have to testify they have to be participator in the judicial process to mak that happen. in terms of how it affects iowa, i am not convinced at all that an indictment of donald trum actually hurts donald trump in the republican primary i think it actually may help him among another of voters. not just his base but othe people who will feel harder to sort of go against him because he will characterize any indictment, no matter ho justify, he will characteriz it as a witch hunt the republicans will be loathe to fight against that. >> i love the idea of a federa indictment being a plus factor in a presidential race but leaving that to the side for a minute, let's switch gears and talk about the 202 budget proposal that president biden recently unveiled. the white house has said tha this budget proposal would reduce the deficit by nearly three trillion dollars over te years. while boosting funding for childcare, community college and medicaid and it would increase taxes on large corporations and the wealthy while extendin

medicare solvency an increasing funding for the border here is what speaker kevin mccarthy had to say about th proposal this morning on fox news >> the president's budget is not serious. it is not serious for th current time we live in. high debt brings inflation, an what happens with inflation? we have seen with this bank. interest rates moving. up they are stuck in bonds and others we watch the pain that cause american citizens. this is not a serious budget real leadership matters here don't play games with the debt ceiling. >> susan, it looks lik congress and the white house are headed for a serious death block on this. despite major risks involvin the debt ceiling and maybe eve the prospect of a government shutdown how do you see this ending >> well i think what president biden did was just basically announce his campaign agenda which was smart, i mean, tha is what you do politically i you are in the incumbent this was a wise way of doing it the other thing that he did as he pushed the republicans on

their heels, saying this i what i am talking about. what do you have and so far the majority leader has nothing. and in fact the freedom caucus the extremes of the republican put out a budget that woul never go past either so i think that both sides kno their budgets aren't necessarily going anywhere the difference is that joe biden can discuss his defend his, and make his -- where the republicans have nothing to offer right now >> so keep, these from speaker mccarthy could not eve anticipated by the white house what do you think they are prepared to do in terms of concessions in order to make this happen? >> i don't think they should b talking about concessions righ now. i think they should be not negotiating against themselves they should be forcefull advocating for their priorities susan is exactly, right no president gives everything tha he or she wants in the budge request. but we also know that joe bide doesn't have a democrati

congress to go along with what he is proposing. so there will be a negotiation that takes place but he has two things on his side, one is history and the other's mouth. historically speaking democrat have been the one since clinto who have reduced the budge deficit. and the republicans have increased the vector closet. so that is on their side mathematically also has this o his side his budget actually decrease the federal deficit by three trillion dollars, we don't hav any proposal to reduce the federal deficit. because they know that in orde to do that they have to do one of two things. they have to either raise th income by raising taxes, which they don't want to do, or they have to decrease spending, and they don't have a suitable pla to decrease in spending, because they don't want to touch medicare so they say or social security, so they say, and they refused to touc defense. those are the main drivers o the federal budget and if you can't touch that, you are not going to be able t reduce the federal deficit that is why republicans have failed to do so with bush, wit trump, and with othe republican presidents. and democrats from clinton t

obama and biden have been able excessively to reduce th deficit. it is called mathematics >> thank you for reminding u of moffitt in this, keith, man thanks to you as well, susan coming up next on symone, th fallout over one of the bigges bank collapses in history. as federal regulators scramble to return money to the customers of silicon valle bank why it matters, even if yo don't bank there we will ask the california lawmaker what we can all expec next but first, my colleague jessic layton has today's other top news stories jessica? >> hey, melissa, thank you here are the stories we arhistoo batter parts of california as that status contending with massive evacuations. buckled roads, even landslides these are some shocking images from a small city near santa cruz where severe flooding ha consumed that city after a levee breach nearly 2000 residents in tha community are now under mandatory evacuation orders. as more heavy rain is expected

tomorrow now to san diego where a desperate search is underway for victims of a deadly boat crash. to migrants smuggling boat collided while trying to reach short last night killing at least eight people, the boats capsized, creating a large debris fields, the searc last night hampered by thick fog. rescue crews now searching for survivors. and in just a few hours, the 95th academy awards known as the oscars will kick off in lo angeles, and the commercial -- getting a little update this year, champagne colored instea of the usual red this year a crisis team will b on standby and producers there are reportedly hoping to steer clear of politics during the ceremony we will be waiting to see wh wins i'm jessica layton, more simon after the break. ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. intuit quickbooks helps you manage your payroll taxes, cheers! with 100% accurate tax calculations guaranteed.

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country and around the world up until this past wednesday svb was the go-to lender for tech start-ups with more than 200 billion dollars in assets, the federal reserve board ranked silicon valley bank 16th in its list o america's top 20 biggest banks by friday, it was being take over by the federal deposi insurance corporation, and the biggest banking failure sinc the 2008 financial crisis. the bank was fdic insured, which is good news first of all, they are depositors but that's not enough to kee big tech companies afloat. this morning on cbs face the nation, fed chair janet yellen ruled out the prospect of government bailout >> let me be clear that during the financial crisis, ther were investors and owners of systemic large banks that were bailed out and we are certainl not looking i, the reforms i

have been put in place means w are not going to do that again but we are concerned about depositors and are focused o trying to meet their needs >> now, if you were thinking i'm not a giant tech company why does this affect me? well, think again. remember, there is always ripple effect with these sorts of things. for example, the company, at sea, had its money in svb. so, those who make their livin selling handmade goods on etsy site have been told to expec delays in payments some sellers have said tha those delays could prove to be catastrophic to thei businesses i'm joined now by congressma john garamendi, who represents california silicon valley in congress congressman, welcome this week -- >> good to be with you >> great to have you i know that you have bee briefed by the fbi, seattl citrus your department thi weekend. what have you learned, and are there any actions being taken? >> a lot of actions are bein

taken. the fdic and the treasur department are ver aggressively addressing this bank failure and i believe they are going t be able to do that the information that we have from both of them indicate that's they are searching for buyer. they are likely to find. i believe it's about the end o this hour, and an auction fo this bank maybe completed, o at least all the information from those who want to buy thi bank is supposed to be it. sometime around 2:00, west coast. if that -- amber may very well be something. keep in mind that even thoug this bank is in trouble, it is a terrific franchise for anybody who wants to own a significant bank in the hear of the venture capital and technology community i suspect there are going to b many, many bidders for thi bank, and that it will be back on its feet, and many of these problems will be resolved.

it may take a few days, i' very optimistic. >> that is certainly good news for svm silicon valley, bu there are many americans aroun the country who remember tha 2008 financial crisis, and also, remember the flurry of lawmaking that followed in the wake of that crisis. they're probably are wondering right now, how did this happen again? how did it happen so soon? so, who or what to blame who or what is to blame fo this failure >> well, first of, all start with management. there's clearly a management problem. the second thing is he has following the 2008 200 meltdown and the financial crisis that occurred there, major piece of legislation wen into effect called the dog frank, and that put in ver specific requirements for bank of all sizes trump came into office, th republicans are in control o both houses, and trump, an they wiped out, or reduced nearly wiped out the regulator regime for mid size banks.

here, we have a mid sized bank not exactly sure what's all of that meant, of the regulator regime was wiped out by th republicans, let me modify that, was significantly reduced by the republican legislation and so here we are we're going forward, well, maybe we ought to go back an revisit the mistake that the trump and the american republicans made in 2017, 18 >> so, the fdic only covers up to $250,000 for each depositor accounts but this is a bank that served the tech industry and there ar tech company clients wit hundreds of millions of dollar in deposits. are these companies going to get their money back if there is law making tha could come out of this, is the democrat minority in the house going to be able to make thi happen with the republican majority >> well, with regard to th last question, we'll just have to see how all this works out.

clearly, this is another wak up call for appropriat regulation of the financia industry we need to know exactly what went wrong we don't know that yet we should find out it would be a good rule fo investigations, if the republicans really want to investigate something. they may want to do that we'll look at the relationship of this failure, and mayor change in the law. now, will people get their money back i think there's a very goo chance that they will. as i said, this is a ver valuable franchise obviously, that value of thi company was eroded by th mistakes that were made, and the ultimate closing of th bank nevertheless, all of those customers are still there. if this works out properly, an i believe it will, with purchaser coming in, and kee in mind, we are talking abou the high tech financia community that is always

looking for opportunities, her is an opportunity for thes highfliers, the folks that hav been able to put togethe billions and billions of dollars of deals, to look at this franchise and say, this i worth taking we'll see what happens >> congressman john garamendi, we are thinking of you and you constituents in california i the midst of these winte storms thank you so much for joinin us today >> thank you >> up next, texas has become ground zero in the fight for reproductive rights, wit lawsuits unfolding in the stat right now that could have majo implications for women acros the country. we're going to dig into what's at stake with two women who ar leading the fight to preserv acce tsso abortion care. gain scent beads, they fell in love with the irresistible scent. ♪ ♪ huh, huh, so did their dog roger. ♪ ♪ gain scent beads keep even the stinkiest stuff smelling fresh. subway keeps upping their game with the subway series. an all-star menu of delicious subs. like #4 supreme meats. black forest ham and genoa salami.

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reproductive rights is centere on texas groundbreaking lawsuits in the state could have a major impac on the rest of the country and the latest lawsuit could single a new face an antiabortion strategies, wit conservatives cracking down on abortion pill networks as well as anyone who helps someon trying to get and the brush. and a texas man is now suing three women under the states wrongful death statue. these women he alleges helpe his ex-wife to obtain th medications needed to terminat her pregnancy. plaintiffs marcus silva claims that insisting someone i performing a self administered abortion is the same as bein in accomplice to a murder. now, according to npr, silva i

seeking 1 million dollars in damages from each woman. and in another case, five wome are suing the state of texas saying the state denied them abortions despite the risk that this posed to their health, and even their lives the women say they had to leav texas or wait until thei health conditions worsened i order to be treated. we are now joined by wendy davis, a former texas stat legislator and now senio advisor to planned parenthoo texas votes. as well as nancy northrop, president and ceo of the cente for reproductive rights. wendy, let's start with you. marcus silva, the texas ma suing his ex-wife friends fo assisting her and obtaining medication abortion, it is noble here that silver is bein represented by jonatha mitchell, not only the forme texas solicitor general, the principal architect of the states controversial sb8 law how should we understand all o this in this case in terms o the broader effort to bloc people from securing abortions

>> melissa, thank you so much. you know, i think, really, thi is just further indication tha the folks who fought very hard to overturn roe v. wade were never going to be satisfie with that outcome. and instead now have turned to tactics like one that you ar talking about today, seeking t intimidate and instill fear in people who are working eithe to self managed abortion through medication abortion, o even to try to leave a state where abortion is banned and g elsewhere. and they are not going to stop and the consequence of this, of, course is that it is creating public health crisis on th ground in states like texas an of course, nancy northrop an the center for reproductiv rights are representing just a tip of the iceberg about tha

public health crisis looks like we are just so grateful for th work that they are doing >> we are going to follow up with that the three women that silv is suing for wrongful death ma also actually face crimina charges here the district attorney in galveston will separatel decide whether or not he i going to charge these wome with murder or being a accomplice to murder what do you anticipate happening on that front? >> i can't really say for sure what might happen, melissa but i can't say, based on what we've seen happening on th ground here, since roe was overturned and even prior to that once the senate bil eight. they will stop at nothing. and they have turned, of cours now, to the conservative court hand picking judges that the believe recovering to be favorable to them in an effort to close down access t abortion care on all fronts. and what that means, of course

is the result that they hope for. the results yet that they will put women in a subjugated stat and that is the fight happenin on the ground here efforts and the reason that planne parenthood texas votes, afte for reproductive rights, abortion funds, and othe partners are fighting fo people here in our state and elsewhere, every single day. >> so, nancy, turning to you when the has just mentio something that's reall important here, and they want tag to another development i the silver case. silva is not just interested i suing these three women wh helped his ex-wife self manage an abortion. it's also mentioned he might intend to sue the manufacturer of mifepristone, bill allegedl used in the abortion many in texas have already bee bracing for a federal cour decision that could ban the us of mifepristone altogether and the hearing was reportedly scheduled on friday, but any highly unusual move, tha hearing was left off of th public dockets for judge

matthew customer's court how do you interpret the actions here to keep this of the docket what could that signal about a likely decision in that case >> well, it's completely inappropriate to keep it off the public dockets courts are open. the constitution guarantees it justice must be in an open courtroom for us all to se what the arguments are so, it's very troubling to learn that the judge had sai the down and said he was not going to announce the location or the fact of the hearing until tuesday night. in fact, amarillo, hard to get to so, luckily now, people do kno and will be showing up o wednesday. the most important thing for people to recognize about th case it's completely baseless. what is very frustrating, of course, is that it's a completely baseless lawsuit. the fda's approval over 22 years ago of mifepristone wa by the book, the science, th

facts, the records there, it was a safety record on the nex 22 years and yet despite being baseless lawsuit, has th potential to rake harm acros the nation, should he rule tha the fda has to tak mifepristone off the markets of course, that won't be the end of it. there will be appeals. but it is highly frustrating that's our courts are bein used in this way to push thi injustice. >> nancy, you are fighting back i want to call attention to th lawsuit that the center fo reproductive rights has filed, backing the other texas women. so, these are five women suing the state of texas one of the women in this lawsuit was pregnant with twins, but one of the fetuses was not viable, then, posed a risk t the woman's own health the state's abortion ban allow exceptions when there ar serious risks to the life or health of a mother, but on the ground,, nancy are those exceptions being made? what does that mean in terms o women's health and win - in texas >> right, exceptions are not being made what it means is it's very dangerous right now to b

pregnant in the state of texas or pregnant in any state which criminalizes abortion. because what's happening i that doctors are in an untenable position they have to be looking over their shoulders about whethe they are going to be prosecute under texas three abortion bans, not one, not two, three, including one with a 99 year sentence they have to be concerned abou that and of course, they are duty i to be concerned about th health and well-being of their patients but i can't do that. so, we filed this lawsuit on behalf of these five women t make sure that we ge clarification that doctors can exercise their medical bes judgment and, judgment about a patient needs a pregnanc crisis >> this is obviously a ver difficult and dynamic lega landscape. we are so appreciative, former texas state legislator wendy davis and center for, nanc northrop that you so much for joining u and keeping us up to date on this >> thank you >> coming up, police i

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no-knock warrants in a law tha bears breonna taylor stain a grand jury declined to charg the officers with her death, but four of them or charge last year with federal civil rights violations. this week, almost three year to the day breonna taylor died the justice department release a damning report on th louisville metro polic department it's details a pattern o practice of excessive force, improper searches, unlawful no knock warrants, illegal arrests, and a pattern of discriminatin against black people and those with behavioral health disability so, what happens next. the department of justice says it has come to an agreemen with the lmpd and louisville officials to reform th department through a court enforced decree that will be supervised by an independent monetary so, what does that process loo like, and how long will it take, and most importantly, will i change anything? joining me now is retire seattle police chief and msnbc law enforcement analysis carmen best. welcome, carmen. >> good afternoon, thank you

>> it's great to see you i know your own former department and seattle underwent a consent decree i 2012 to my understanding, tha consent decree is still in place today. while you were chief in 2018, court found the seattle pd i full compliance with that th cree you said that was the produc of a lot of hard work. can you describe what that wor looked like? can you give us a sense of how this process might unfold in louisville now >> yeah, certainly i'm happy to recount that. the consent decree is still in place in seattle we are very hopeful that i will actually fully you've don this year sometime i think there is real relevanc and having the department of justice come in. identify potential areas o unconstitutional policing, the metrics, evidence base practices -- to make sure they are on track to have constitutional policin for all of the community members and the citizens tha they serve

that said, it should be process to continuou improvement and innovation and identifies the framework tha the agency has to do to deal with an acute issue, and i some cases, these consen decrees have gone on for s long that it's hard to see i the end of day, how are goin to complete that, but there is a very important relevance t have english consent decrees there are a number o paragraphs, it is actually a contract between the manager the doj, department of justice and the departments to mee these milestones >> so, some of the milestone you've mentioned, chief best really focus on the department policies and changing them, bu how effective, case consen decree be in transforming th culture of a police department how officers relate to one another and more importantly how they relate to citizens on the ground >> you know, that is a excellent question and one tha we definitely are trying t tackle in terms of law

enforcement. but the policies, th procedures, the practices, tha training, all have to be grounded in constitutional practices and constitutional law. that said, the accountabilit piece, and the transparenc piece, brought on by a consent decree, can really help buil trust at the community but you are absolutely right culture, trumps anything unwritten paper anything day o the week part of that is having continuous improvement and innovation, setting up the infrastructure to get it's don and holding people accountable so that when they violate its, but there are practices that don't meet their philosophy an their thoughts and the rules o departments, that is swift action to rectify its. with the culture, you're right it's completely separates in some ways, you have to set u that infrastructure to eve hold people accountable. >> so, that seems like a lot t do i'm wondering, though, whe will we know that this consent decree has been effective an independent monitoring of

consent decree are no longer necessary in louisville? >> well, i think they really focus on the acute issue whatever that's been identified, whether it's at the force or biased policing or not havin the appropriate law, constitutional act for no-knoc search warrants. you take facts and you work on those issues, you hit th milestones, by the, state yo need to have done this, or whatever that is so you can put yourself on the right trajectory >> keeping louisville on the right trajectory is exactl what we wanted to hear carmen best, thank you so much for your expertise and for tha insights we really appreciate it. >> thank you >> up ahead, market woman' history month, at almost, long simone is sitting down wit some trouble easing women. today, we are celebrating he story once again, this time, with missy copeland of the american ballet theater. we're going to talk about ho she navigated racism, brok through barriers, and change the game for dancers of color.

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most amazing barrier breakin women in the world for a summi in abu dhabi the women you normally see i those spots, symone sander townsend, not only participate in the event, she was also abl to sit down for conversation with some of the summit most notable attendees, including misty copeland, the firs african american principal dancer at the american balle theater. misty's journey as a teenage prodigy from san pedro california, to the mos prominent ballet company i north america has been one o triumphs and challenges. simone asked her how to manage those ups and downs and how sh chose to address the racism sh faced in the world o professional dance here's their conversation. >> it's been this organi evolution of me as a woman, of me as an artist, where i fel like i can't, i don't want t say deny, but i can't deny these aspects of my experience and because i become the artis

i want to be if i don't express what this journey is like, whether it' to my colleagues or to the artistic staff, my artisti director, i am not going to ge to the place i want to get t if they don't understand me in that way i've had a lot of incredible support from black women throughout my career who has given me that's tools an support to be honest about again, in my experience. whether it's as a young blac woman, never having worked in professional environment coming to new york city at 1 years old on my own an becoming a professional, being the only black woman i american ballet theater for th first decade of my career, and going into the office an having these conversations wit the big white man, the boss, and being able to say i feel like i am not being treate fairly why haven't i've been give this opportunity and being able to have those

conversations and hold peopl accountable. >> some people would subscribe to the notion that because the system wasn't built for us, we need to pare down and start ou own thing. you, though, i think what' very interesting about wha you've done is set, now, i'm going to infiltrate the system and change it from the insid out. >> it was important for me t understand how to communicat with my white colleagues in way that is so awful that we can't be emotional or come off as aggressive but that has bee my way of getting in if that makes sense. to understands how to explai without getting over emotional that was the number one thing. don't go in that office an cry. don't accuse or make them feel that they've done somethin wrong, which is terrible but i feel like it's how i'v

had to lay the groundwork. it's been difficult becaus whether it's like calling ou calling out the artistic stuff about rules i was not gettin and why, and a lot of the times, it was like, you were just overlooked at the same time, you stand ou too much so, again, it's been having an incredible support syste throughout this journey. though i found the only one in the company, i've not been alone. i've had amazing black women behind me. black men, too i mean, my husband being one o them, prince being one of them who was such an incredible example. >> you talked with prince? >> yes yes. i spent years working with prince he gave me such an interesting perspective that i didn't have on what it was to be the only, or to stand out in ballet. that is all bad, and prince wa like what? this is amazing! you stand out! everyone's going to be looking at you you don't want to stifle that! >> talk about the importance o

making ballet more accessible. why is this critical to your legacy >> it's giving you the skill and the tool to become a leaders in your community, but also, to continue the art form to create future patrons to educate black and brown communities, for them to fee and know this is something the can invest in, be a part of, through the mystique oakland foundation we have created our ow framework. so, it is not your typical ballet class it's about showing the joy and love and, of course, teachin them the vocabulary and th basic steps, the basic groundwork, foundation of what it is to be in a ballet class. but it's also about creating a community. >> raven will concern was th first and only black women t dance with the ballet truce to monte carlo, one of the most important ballet companies o our time but she experienced extrem racism her life was being threatene

by the kkk whenever the compan with north of the south. and for her to, when she cam into my life, when we met fo her to have such a positiv outlook on her life and he experience and still be so passionate and dedicated t ballet that was mind-blowing to me. >> i am such a fan you have literally changed the game for so many folks, mist copeland, whether they are actual ballet dancers, aspirin ballet dancers, folks who ar lovers of the arts, we reall appreciate your voice and your time thank you. >> thank you so much >> you can read more about game-changer misty copeland an all of the great things that are being done at the summit i the know your values section o msnbc.com. and thanks so much for watchin symone on this sunday. i'm melissa murray, in for symone sanders townsend. you can catch symone here on msnbc weekends, at 4 pm eastern, and streaming all the time onl on peacock, where you will fin new episodes on the msnbc hu every monday

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