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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. we are watching thee1e1 manhatt eca what happense1 if bragg decideso charge? what happens if donald trump is arrested? ç táu)(? there are arguments raging on all sides of the issue today. from this only makes trump stronger tolp no one benefits fm getting indicted, not even trump. if the daniels incident is worth tempting faith. andrew weissman is with us ande argues that yes, it is. what the d.a. could be charging is serious and worthy. republicans say it's not. they say it's bragg who should be indicted.

a trump indictmentq would be a disgusting abuse of power. the d.a. should be put in jail. but it is not just manhattan and it's d.a. it's georgia and the department of justice. three other investigations that could also make history. donald trump's legal exposure i] extensive and it's weighing on 2024. does he still have enough juice to win a primary? there have been signs that ways onçó the campaign trial dog more retail, politicking, shaking morexd hands, talking me aboute1 policy. showing the sort of restraint that might help him expand his appeal, which he needs to do. as michael bender writes, since saturday, mr. trump has unleashed a series ofe1 persona unproven and provocative attacks againstq democrats and fellow republicans. he'se1 accusedok alvinfá bragg

being -- he insinuated ok baselessly that mr. desantis might be gay. the kind of behavior that swing voters and moderate republicans tend to dislike most aboutfá mr trump. let's get into it. joining me now from west palm beach near trump'se1 florida ho is vaughn hillyard. in new york city, garrett haake, who covers the trump campaign. also joining me is senior national correspondent for the "washington post," ashley parker. garrettm> well, there's no indication that the grand jury is meeting today so all the activity you see around and behind me is related to the enhanced securitr footprint that's been put in place here. more police officers, more barricades, moree1 lights. they're all coming to be prepared for the possibility of significant protests like those

called for by the former president over the weekend, but the protests themselves ( uzxd failed to matu) there was a small rally last night with'c■ about 15 to 20 people. this afternoon, there were individual trump supporters coming by perhaps shouting support or waving a s!3, but there's nothing like an organized, dedicated effort to make this a site of protest. down in é@■manhattan, it's a waiting game for national and international media wondering what's going on on the fourth floor of the d.a.'s office and if the grandok jury might have more to say about this matter. >> what is the potential timeline? >> well,e1 the grand jury generally meets on mondays and wednesdays in the afternoon so operating on the assumption tha1 they are back tomorrow, this is not the kind of thing that gets affirmatively confirmed or deny. tomorrow, they could hear from more witnesses, but tends to run counter to who they've already talked to or they could begin

the processe1 of handing up an indictment if the prosecutor asks for one. the bottom line is i think tomorrow afternoon perhaps at this time, perhaps later, is the soonest we mightñr hear somethi from anybody connected to the prosecuting of a case that might come out of this. ÷ west palm beach?e1 there has been talk among donald trump supporterse1 about doing patriot mote around mar-a-lago, the bridges in west palm beach so law enforcement can't take him out of the mar-a-lago. are you seeing signs of that starting to forq3e1 potentially? >> reporter:e1 right. that circulated on the internet forum called the donald, but unfortunately for those individuals, they have a misunderstanding of a couple of things.% one, donald trump would have to be arraigned in new york cityxd andfáu

york. obviously, the structuralq part of palm beach and we see construction here on the causeway connecting west palm to palm beach, but i can tell you we'd be a coupleok offáq years from a mote coming toxd fruitio. >> vaughn, have you talked to anyq/t+ñ what do they say about what they want to see? do they understand that sometimes the law is just not on their side?e1 >> i think that folks we're dealing with, folks are living in a different reality,ñr numbe one. and when we'req talking about where kind of theó[■ dynamic is setting up here, i want to show everybody this is mar-a-lago that we're looking at here on palm beach here. mar-a-lago is the private club ofçó donald trump and our great photographer is going to shift to the right to show where about four to five dozen folks have gathered this afternoon. i was talking to a couple of women a■k few moments ago an th told me number one, they should

bill clinton and joe biden should be the ones going to jail and being prosecuted. they're -- if i may for the reason why there's a lack of protesters in new york city where garrett and you are and here in florida is because they were told, i should say they saw online, that this concept that those facial recognition set up in new york city at the protest sites and here, there is another trap which they wouldn't go into detail about and that's why others were fearful to come out. one woman told me despite those concerns, she was coming here because she was willing to get arrested if it meant protecting donald trump. i want to let you listen to another women who hade1 a slighy softer take on this, suggesting this is more of a party than a protest and she's here inxd solidarity of her former president. you were telling me youu have you done this before? >> i just have a group of friends and we had a flier made and we just get it out to some and they get it out to some and

that's how it gets around. >> when you saw donald trump call for protest -- >> it's not a protest. we're not protesting. we're supporting the president. >> if he were to be indicted, what would the response be? >> nothin3ñ we'd have a big party and laugh it off because it's ridiculoáo9ñ >> she was very nice to us. she's a resident of west palmñi beach. she told us the last time she tried to organizeç?$ááá)r'g like this was on january 6th to commemorate two years since the attack on the capital, but more 5m■ to pay homage to those behind bars anw3 defendan of january 6th. >> all right. so both garrett and vaughn have set the scene. ashley, let's talk about the politics. everyone's arguing about whether this is good or bad for donald trump. michael bender writes it's not so much about the indicfmgnt. it's about what the potential indictment inspires within donald trump himself. sort of behavior it inspires.

the you know, chaoticness5a■ th we've seen. and that voters have rejected that that donald trump extremism, that chaosb.■ surrounding him, that drama[gñ now three election cycles. >> that's right. that piecefá is sort of three-d regression wheree1e1 former president trump whou frankly very hardjf to keep him disciplined, putting out policy videos. not tweeting out or putting out outlandish things on truth social. doing more retail stops in smaller events than he's typically comfortable with. to sort of the free wheeling, chaotic,ñie1t(e1 controversial shrouded trump who you and i startede1 covering in 2015. and in terms of the politics, there is some conventional wisdom, which in my reportingfá seems to hold true, that a potential indictment from the

manhattan d.a. will help trump galvanize his hard core maga supporters. here's where it gets tricky. is that he doesn't really need helpe1 galvanizing those supporters. support. they're with him no matter what and even in a republican primary, i was just out in pennsylvania a couple ofw3 week ago talking to voters almost all of who voted for him twice. they don't blame e1him, actuall. that if you blameq him for thex controversies and scandal, but they say look, the media is always out to get him. the democrats are always out to get him. the investigators are always out to get him and i think that makes it hard for him to be elected. in short, donald trump has called this a witch hunt. the8gz agree, it is a witch hun but i want afá candidate who is going to be hunted a bit less by a few less and that could have a

role even in a republican primary. >> if donald trump's support doesn't grow after this, say the protests and anger surrounding him potentially getting indicted doesn't materialize, does that give republicans broadly another opportunity, another off ramp tq donald trump>!s" to support somebody else? >> well,1again, it's kind of the fascinating window that we're just already seeing from the 2024 republican hopefullpe1 candidates. normally, as chris christie said recently, ançó indictment is no helpful. that's anq evergreen statement. but even these would be candidates who want to take trump out in a republican primary are really grappling with how doi]w3 they handle■k w should be a clearxd vulnerabili. christie is the only one who's potently attacked him. you have nikki haley who's remaining silent5a■ and some pee

like mike pencet( actually goin out and deuo&ding trump. so you're seeing a republican party that doesn't quite know what to do with it yet, but to your original question about the voters, there's a portion even in a republican primary who are just exhausted with the chaos and this might be another nudge for them to consider5a■e1 a tru intñ >> another problem wiuc the b.■ party, there is that knot of support donald trump has a hold over and if you anger them, you can't win a primary and anb■e1 generale1 election. plus the independents and republicans who areñr tired of donald trump. it's a hard thing to try to build on. ashley, garrett, vaughn, thank you guys for starting us off. joining me now is former senior member of robertq mueller's prop intoe1 2016 election e1intezfvr1

andrew weissman. there are some sayinge1 democra included, saying that this is not the case.q they wantfáfá to see donald tru first indicted on. this is not the strongest case. this feels like the least important of the cases. almost akin to the bill clinton scandal in the white house in the late '90s. very serious. explain. >> well, i think first it is important to put this in context. co that are under investigation that with respect to donald trump, there's no question this is the least important. it is not overthrowing our democracyjw@r(t&háhp &hc% it is not taking highlyñr classifiex■: documents and obstructing justice with respect so you could easily see this if you were just looking at5a■

comparison,u is the least important. but that's not really the issues. their issue is is this a case worth prosecuting in the sense that are other people prosecuted for similar conduct or is this something where there really is an argument to be made that this is akin to selective prosecution, that donald trump's being held to a higher standard than anyone else as opposed to the same or lower standard. that really is thefá po)' hjt o op-ed, which is to look at how does the d.a.'s office in new york, how doñr they deal with ts type of crime that we're expecting will be voted out, which is filing falsefá busines records either as a misdemeanor orñ whether people have beent;/s chd with that or whether this reall1 does look so singular. what we found in a surveylp don by just security is that it is routinely charged inxd a whole

variety of different contexts. we areçó trying to really educa people on the facte1 that this not unusual. that'se1 something that if you taking classified documents, it's a whole lotxd easier becau we have so many examples of people justw3 in january 6th wh. hundreds and hundreds of people invaded the capitol. so the idea that donald trump is the leader ofi] thatlp conspiraf that were to be charged, seems like a given it's not selective prosecution. we're basically doing thejfko■ thing of what alvin bragg may charge. >> you laid out the precedent that this happens a lot. people get charged with these sort of crimes, for false feing documents. with a felony. the law is the law. but i wonder in a case like this, and nobody is above the law yet, but in a case like this

when so much is at stake. when it is a former president. when all this time has passed. when the federal government has refused to prosecute first with william barr, who was the attorney general at the time, we know why he didn't, and withzfd merrick garland not bringing forth charges, does that come into bragg's decision on whether to pursue it? >> what i would ask people to think about is ifr would be charged with thisñinen why is a former president's prior job a way ofq immunizing them. ujp!ove the law or not? them. do we really think that people m and so if other people would be charged with this, why shouldn'; and that is whate1 it means to the rule of law. now the issue of timing, should

this go firste1 or be second or third? i think that is somewhat of a, i want to sort of put reality into that mix one1 that. which is this is not one single prosecutor making these decisions. you have somebody in georgia. somebody in new york. you have federal investigations. and you know what, life's messy. some things happen first, second, third. yes, would you like to see the most important crime charged first? absolutely. absolutely. just a few months with all of this being charged in whiyx case the question we're discussing right now will go away and evaporate. it's also important to remember that the d.a. does have to worr( abgáááá)r'g called the statute of limitations.xd that is a time periode1 by whic the charges have to bexd brough so if you're sitting in the d.a.'s office, you're thinking as soon as i am ready to bring these charges and make my case, i have to bring them because foá

every day you delay, there's a potential for the defense to raise the argument you should have brought these xdsooner. these are all the complications that go into these decisions. >> as you said, life is messy. as i put it to my husband, there are no clean decisions. iated. everything ise1 complicated. andrew, thank you so much for q&p understand all the precedent here and what it would mean to treat the president like anybody else. donald trump would be the first former or current president to ever be indicted if alvin bragg decides to charge, but he might not be the first former or#3= arrested.e1 there is a tale that president grant was arrested backxd in 18 by d.c.ñi police for, wait for . speeding. in his horse drawn carriage. the story according to nbc news ñhistorian, michael beschloss, is mainly based on one interview with one policeman

in one newspaper in 1908. 36 years after the arrest a,páñ 5a■happened. and while it might be true, beschloss warns against betting the farm on it since there are no known contemporaneous5a■ reps from anyone at the time about a president getting arrested, which we imagine would have also been aé@■ big deal even back th. still ahead, what newçó allegations of sexism and discrimination against fox news has to do with the dominion defamationlpçó lawsuit. plus, what jamesñr comer is doi to shift congressional focus to joe biden and the investigations around him and why some fox news hosts want to see more. later, whate1 xie1 and putin di that's rattling the west. we are back in 60 seconds. what's all this? hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this.

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i" today, a judge in delaware will decide whether a jury needse1 t get involved or whether he can weighlp in on aspect of the cas alone. granting a summary judgment. as he deliberates, another lawsuit. last night a former fox news producer says fox lawyers tried to coerce herñr into giving fal or misleading testimony ine1e1 case and she says sexism and discrimination were at play. joining me now is nbc's senior digital reporter. summary judgment. what's the judge considering today? >> judge is consideriuh a number of different parts of this. both sides have essentially argued the same thing, that the evidence is so convincese1 thatt doesn't need to be put to a jury, that the judge could just decide in eachok party's favor today. each party has argued they're completely ini]q the right.

the first amendment protects them. dominion this morning has been presented for hours arguing there's so much evidence in the hundreds of pages of briefs you and i have been talking about for the last couple of weeks that they don't need to go to a jury because it's so clear they knew the things they were broadcasting were!u■ false. fox corporation and fox news represent after lunch. fox corporation is going to say look, we shouldn't be held liable for5a■ these statements. á limit some of the liability here or achieve a win before they get to azv■lp jury because of unpredictable people. >> how was she saying fox was coercing ó5( in the testimony about the dominion suit? >> the suit she files last night alleges she wa)1 sort of set up to take the fall. that the legal advice she got in preparing for thise1 deposition was so much that they tried to shield other people and set her

and her colleague up to take the fail. i knew who abbey grossberg was because in the evidence we've seen in these cases, she writes about being the only person who was writing and booking a whole sunday show. thee1 show that put powellçó on made her such a big part of this. she's a central figure in this and is arguing that fox is setting her up to take the fall instead of other people at the company. she arguing there's a lot of sexism, discrimination. >> thank you for setting it up for us. university of utahçó professor law, ronald anderson jones. let's talk about summary judgment. do you think dominion has presented enough evidence that fox news níw what it was doing? that claims the voting machines, switching votes, for qwfals%u$at

the judge will be able to make a judgment? >> it's a high standard to have higher even in liable casese1 tn ordinary civil litigation.t( it would be a tough thing for them to do to be able to move forward, to not move forward with thñ■p jury trial andu have the judgev favor at this stage. ru nothing left for the jury to do, but also that they have to do so by clear and convincing evidence. it would have to be a really powerful case. s■ppit may be the case that we up with summary judgment on some of the claims but not others. the judge cane1 doe1 a partial summary judgment, but dominion is building a pretty powerful whether it can persuade the judge that it's a powerful enough case that we can endñie1 at this stage qremains to be seen. >> if the judge decides took ma a judgment, does domaiq( yan an

fox have to accept it? does it then move on to a jury trial? >> so eaq of those, dually motions here. fox asking for it t(q decided for them and dominion asking for it to be decided for t(them. it isxd often the case that the oral arguments made in support of summary judgment, which is happening right now as we speak, spur settlements. these are the sorts of things that show, that give usú preview of what thingse1 would look like in front of a jury at the next stage and for one or other of the parties to come forward and try to iron things out and reach an agreement so it doesn't go to the jury. it's possible that could happen next. >> one side might getg and say we really don't thinkçó this is going to look goodu us. weñi don't likeu if it goes to trial, what do you think? can you give me the strength

that is dominion has versusé@■ weakness that it has? again, going toñr(hárial is fá unpredictable. jurors are unpredictable. >> that's right. the biggest concern that both parties probably have here is the big question mark that ise1 jury. dominion has ae1e1 really power argument here that often doesn't ca. the client is always leaning hard on constitutional values. fox is arguingok a first amendmt argument that it's importantñi r the preservation of our democracy that we not make defamat6s' suits easy to win. the strongest counter ar8i!q'tç is that it is accepting the first amendment bar is very, very high and that this is just a rare case in which it is cleared ande1 it's suggesting tt constitutional values are on its side. that preservation requires that facee1 consequences.

>> thank you very much. coming up, what chinese president xi is proposing in a peace plan with moscow and why it's worrying the west. first though, meet the congressman who plans to make ■ toçó what james comer has planned for the president and his family.

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the customer is always right. the customer being republican voters. that's who house oversight chairman, james koíer, told "the p%á york times" has in mind when setting his investigativee1 agenda, which is focused on president biden and his family.1 joining me now, luke broadwater and ryan nobles. luke, i'm going to start with you. you did this long piece about who james comer is, what he'sñi trying to do. tell me how he got into the position he's in nowq and why

he's focused so heavily on investigating president biden and his family. >> right. my colleague and i,a5■ jonathan swan, spent many weeks learning about jamest( comer. he's taking an interesting rise through congress. he started out in kentucky as the repu"å■ democrats most liked. most likely to do dealsxd with d seen ase1 a very bipartisan guy and forlp some time, that was h reputation in congress as well. but as he's risen through theu ranks of the oversight?;■çcommie and nowu investigator on capitol hill, he's having to respond to the right wing of the party, which really wants nothing more than to investigatefá president bide and his family. and he's also respondinge1 to t voters of his district whoe1 we spent a lot of time talking with for this story. and what they want to seee1 is somebody who can bring joe biden down. ande1 so jamese1 comer has madet

his topq mission on capitol hil and that is turning over every document they can find to try t1 find something that can link the president to some forme1 of corruption. >> intention there right, because voters generally, maybe not just in his district, but generally for the republicans to 1ñ keep their majority in trq next %=9 something done. explain the tension between investigators focusing so much on investigating this administration, the president's family, et kqera, and passing legislation. even putting legislation to the floor. >> right. well, asñiq everybody knows wit dividedok thatxd gets done. there are somee1 things democra need to come to the table with republicans about, namely the debt ceiling, things to5a■ keep government running. with this era of divided ."■ government, the main thing republicans are goingñi toxd

accomplish onfá capitol hill ar their investigations. so james comer is the man of th% moment right now for republicans. they've gotten bank records frop associates of the biden family. i expect there to be ae1 lot of hearings and more revelations as they continue to push this agenda on capitol hill. >> fox news is not so happy with the investigation so far. you have jesseq waters demandin rqñr questioned whether house repñ%9■s were going to make headway with their 'c■ there have been some questions overalle1 what jes fox is saying about whether the republicans are really getting anywhere with this and making any ground. making any news on theseçó investigations. what have you been seeing as you cover capitol hill, ryan? >> there's no doubt thee1 oversight committee wants this to become part of the discussion that's taking place not just within the walls of capitol hill, but beyond. there's a whole section of the

website that is expressleyxd dedicatedñi to their investigations into the biden family. the foreign business entanglements as they've described it. their aç"m%m%q%=9■ of activity reports. right. say that ten times fast. that they were ableñi toñi any time a transaction over a certain amount is flagged by t#■ treasury department. óuáhey even have a whole length section dedicated5t!z their investigationok into hunter biden's art dealings. he's not that talented of anñ artist. he's just setting art because he's connected to the former president. >> it's in the eye of the beholder. >> there's a lot of smoke thereu right. maybe they're able to throw things at the wall with the hope thatxd turns into somethiuh tangible that they can use to attack the biden family and to luke's point, it'se1 going to ld to hearings where they're going to drag them in front of the

committee and ask them very tough questions. whetherq or not there's specqx■ evidence of wrong qdoing, that' what they're able to uncover. saying look at this, doesn't it look like it's out of the ordinary? but where is the evidence that it's illegal or improper or a violation of any sort of code of ethics. that's sort of the mountain they have to climb that they've been unable to reach. >> i want to get you on one other thing.lp inquiriesxd into jared kushner ó comer seems to admit it's politicallyçó unsustainable to look intoçó kushner. he took a long pause and replied i don't disagree with whate1ó[r said. what could he look into with kushner? >> sure. well, you know, comer and the republicans say their top concern is influence peddling. particularly foreign entanglements with foreign businesses. points of their investigation

into the bidens is they have, jim biden andi] hunter!u■ biden business dealings in china and in other countries. so does kushner. so do many republicans. and at the same time that he's investigating the bidens, you know, he says on5a■ the record e politically unsustainable the same thing and the trump family. the people connected with donald trump. and so the question is have we reached afá point on capitol hi where thezv■ democrats just investigate republicans ande1 there's not fair minded oversight of both parties of the issues equally. that's one of the things we explored in this piece. >> really interesting. gentlemen, thank you very much. and what ukrainian soldiers are doitgx at a u.s.çó military bas. nbcw3 news pentagon corresponde has an inside look f%x us. and china plays peacemaker. cr.

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president xi is at the ■ on day two of his three-day visit to moscow. chinese officials said his visit wilt■á play a quote constructiv role in promoting peace talks xi's plan, which he discussed q for russia toe1 leave ukraine ao condemns unilateral sanctions.

in a joint news conference after the meeting, putinfá said the peace plan can be taken as the basis toe1e1q settle with ukrai. he says whenever the west and kyiv are ready for it.e1 the u.s.ñi has said any deal whe russia stays would effectively be ratifying ñirussia's aggression. officials here are treatingñi xs visit withe1 skepticism as he's one of the only world leaders willing to stand side by side here's janice mackey friar on what they're getting out of this summit. >> reporter: xi and putin meeting again this morning. a day after spending hours together reaffirming their country's ties. old friends and powerful allies unshaken by russia's ongoing war in ukraine. xi telling putin in their first meeting that the way out of what he called the ukrainian conflict is through negotiations, adding

that consolidating and developing chinese russian relations is a strategic choice forv putin even mentioning xi's something he would treat with respect. that china's leader would make the5a■ trip symbolic for putin, coming just days after being cited for warww/s crimes by the international criminal court. u.s. officials calling china's maneuvering diplomatic cover. >> calling for a cease fire would be supporting the q9 >> reporter: the relationship is described as pragmatic. russia has depended onçó china get around westernñi sanctions.q this russian truck driver as china's border says no one else wants to be our friend. parter and counterweight against the u.s. andok west. >> russia fighting with nato,e1

which is getting all out support to ukraine. i2uju xi, backinge1 russia mayñi be less about puti winning the war than insuring he doesn't lose. >> joining me now is former u.sq ambassador to russia and msnbc international affairs analyst, michael mcfall. the u.s. is worried xi is considering sending lethald can he insurev without sending that aid which would inflame a whole other area of chinese diplomatic relations. >> i don't think so. that's a great question. about the future and what's t,n xi did not provide that military assistance, right? maybe he did quietly, secretly, although we'll be able to figure out it eventually, but the idea

he was coming tolp shore up put, heko■ gave him a photofá op. that's what putin got out oft( this meeting. all of this pomp and circumstance but he didn't geti military assistance. he didn'te1 get an economic assistance package. remember, the sanctions are having a real effect on high-tech components that russia needs. i didn't hear any pledge of that. all he got was a pledge from putin to provide oil and gas at reduced prices to china. pretty good deal for china. not great f/spjf russia. >> sow3 what you're saying is x shows up, does this photo op. gets cheaper oil and gas, and putin got a photo. that's the motivation for xi to go to russia. that was my next question. why even go. you're saying it's aboutçó chear oil and gas. >> it's about cheap oil and gas. also about their partnership, friendship. that's real. they have been, they've met for many, many times.

russia, china, are close relations. number three, xi wants to looks on the international stage.b.■ blinken. he's wanting to project to the rest of the world. africa, asia, that he's a mediate r and he'su peace plan. that's the audience this isq speaking to. i want to be clear. i likei] .1. if he can get him to do that, we should get him a nobel peace prize. all the rest is mumbo jumbo, not respecting the sovereignty ofe1 mean respecting the sovereignty ofe1 @-i%9:ájhuá russiane1 occupied forces leavi. >> the first one not so bad, but then he says russia can stay. this is coming on the heels of

this is coming on the heels of xixd making thy( and saudi arabia. the peace deal between them which came asçó a surprise for lot of the world. so he's trying to do it again here potentially, but the u.s. is saying you can't actually be serious with what you're proposing. here's john kirby at the white house press briefing. >> so now china wants to play a constructive role here in this conflict, they ought to press russia to pull its troops out of ukraine. )jp r(t&háhp &hc% to cease bombing cities, hospitals, and schools.e1 to stop the war crimes and atrocities and end the war today. it could happen righte1 now. >> are we any closer to ending this? it's beu a lot of people have died. a lot of russian soldiers !r' co continue to die every single day. is putin's political capital, i know it's different for him because he's a dictator essentially, i3■p his political capital running out at all?

as you just pointed out, he's a dictator. to save face in front of any general or liberal oppositio his game plan i think is pretty clear. he wants to wait us out, wants to wait so we're no longersv4 interested and we're debating whether we should support ukraine or not then he wants to push to the borders of those four territories that he annexed on paper. until he gets there or until he can't fight, i think he'll continue this war. >> ambassador me1cfaul, thank yá for giving it to us straight. up next, what the u.s. is doing to prepare ukraine for what is next. to learn more visit treatted.com. that's treatt-e-d.com. introducing new sweet and savory crepes. for a limited time, buy one, get one free.

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heart they have. but also as has been the case throughout this entire conflict as the u.s. has trained ukrainians on weapons systems and various things, platforms and now on combat arms what they have learned is the ukrainians have been picking it up much faster than expected. it's been ten weeks and they are nearly done with their training and can put the patriot systems together, the hope is they will be fielding them. >> they were getting f-16 flight simulation. >> for various platforms including the f-16. the time line for training for an f-16 from 0 to go if you have absolutely no pilot's training can be 18 months, even longer. >> training me, it could be 18 month. >> either one of us would probably take 18 plus months but someone who is an experienced combat pilot it could be a much shorter time line. >> we have so vac ya and poland sending migs to ukraine which is a big move by nato country to

send those weapons, you can call them. does it portend anything along with the flight simulating and training they're doing better than expected does that portend anything about the future about whether we will give f-16s. >> when you talk about tanks and patriots, there's a pattern with the administration where allies provide thing, it gets closer and closer and all of a sudden the biden administration gets to a yes. we've dean it over and over. they still say that's not happening with the f-16s but the reality is we're asking the question multiple times a day because everyone assumes the next would be the british sending mirages then maybe the u.s. -- >> because we have president xi in russia today and what he's saying or what we believe he is saying he wants russia not to lose, what is he going to do to make sure he doesn't lose. we want ukraine to win. what are we willing to do and how far are we willing to go? courtney kube, so good to see you in person. that's going to do it for me.

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